Mini 2247: Mountain Dew Mafia (Game Over)

[Wisdom]

VOTE: dunn

I read nothing other than the vote in the above post

[Wisdom]

It's time to get an avatar for starters

[Wisdom]

VOTE: toog

[Wisdom]

This game is hard to follow for me for some reason but Dunn does not look like the scum Dunn I know at all

[Wisdom]

On pg 5 seems to me Dunn claimed Code Red truthfully, LLD saw it and thought it would be believable for Cabd to make Code Red a scum role, but she didnt realize that town gets mtn dew flavors. Now she's claiming her role cant exist if town only gets mtn dew flavors and my guess is that's because she rolled a competitor and didnt connect that town would all be the tennessee original

VOTE: LLD

Scum most likely have fakeclaims so no

[Wisdom]

Meh. It's +town but not conclusive. Funny though.

I imagine despite how boneheaded she is as town, she’d actually fact-check things as scum

What if she checked but decided voting the ic would be a nice move

[Wisdom]

{Dunn, Milk, Mush, Towlie, Gamma} = town

[Wisdom]

{Dunn, Milk, Mush, Towlie, Gamma} = town

Critter's getting there too

[Wisdom]

Leaving a poe of {Emmi, Venus, SS, SM, Kyouko}

[Wisdom]

SM is almost certainly scum with that iso

[Wisdom]

S_S pretty underwhelming

[Wisdom]

Kyo’s slot has burned the cred Toog built.

the what
Toog was scummier than Kyouko

[Wisdom]

Kyo’s slot has burned the cred Toog built.

the what
Toog was scummier than Kyouko

Toog was not. Toog was very townie. That argument with LLD seemed really genuine. I had Toog as top tier town before Kyo reppd in.

Disagree conpletely, Toog felt like scum from beginning to replace out and thats why my vote isnt moving

[Wisdom]

Wisdom is probably scummier but I trust someone else can press there.

Why someone else? Press me yourself

[Wisdom]

Also, Dunn's scum.

Nope

[Wisdom]

SM feels like limbait so town.

This is wildly shallow
I can accept not scumreading them for the reasons you said but

town

?

[Wisdom]

Yep, still shallow, still scum

[Wisdom]

mush town

Mush is the only one pushing SM and youre calling them town

So who are the scum pushing SM?

[Wisdom]

So EMMI and Wisdom are who I've got immediate work to do on, wrt to Wisdom's original vote on and interactions with Toog, and EMMIs pop-in

You could have probably read both our isos in the time it took you to posture this

[Wisdom]

I do not vote for people for non game related reasons or if im not scumreading them

[Wisdom]

"id sheep a wagon on x" is considered pushing?

[Wisdom]

Why would someone "disagree" with "Id sheep a wagon on x"
What push are you even talking about
Who has really pushed SM to warrant any or this

[Wisdom]

of*

[Wisdom]

"id sheep a wagon on x" is considered pushing?

I’d say yes
Not in a strong sense, mind, but it does apply some pressure IMO

For the purposes of Kyouko's argument it really doesn't

[Wisdom]

I dont get it

[Wisdom]

Oh ok
Like i said, i find it more likely that she knew lld was ic and voted anyway so that doesnt change anything for me

[Wisdom]

Mushy/Dunn/Gamma?

ew
Town, town and town

[Wisdom]

Wait so you’re a cop that specifically checks for jesters??? Is that right?

dude
Theyre obviously trolling
Why are you engaging it this much

[Wisdom]

textbook definition of flailing scum lel.
acting like i hard claimed mountain dew original full cop

ur just role fishing. no can do lmao

Gamma is obvtown for that
Can you like not

[Wisdom]

let’s do Mush Dunn or a lurker please

Mush i could reconsider but Dunn is town

Its Kyouko you should be voting

[Wisdom]

And put a target on my back for no reason by CCing? Nice try.
Anyway, I’m probably done posting here for the night, I expect people will generally see eye-to-eye with me.

No we wont because Pooky is town and he was obviously trolling and you misunderstood and cc'd

You need to forget about it and vote Kyouko

[Wisdom]

SM is prolly just newb and about to escape my poe
S_S however remains there and is another one Id happily lim

[Wisdom]

Why are Kyouko S_S Emmi and Venus town again?
Surely to have that poe youre townreading them

[Wisdom]

It was a bad cc but gamma is gamma and he can be like that sometimes. Its town.

[Wisdom]

Youre fixating on the wrong things

[Wisdom]

Why is ssbm town?

[Wisdom]

Your reads are very similar to mine but you disappoint me with the mm read

[Wisdom]

Why do scum MM even do this whole thing

[Wisdom]

I was asking skitter
Gamma youll chill and youll realize you tvt'd there

[Wisdom]

I categorically reject any suggestion those two are the same alignment

Too bad because they are

[Wisdom]

Oh scumread me all you want but I'm not letting you push that they arent tvt when they obviously are

[Wisdom]

Yes ive already stated im certain about it

And prepare yourself because all my reads are always certain

[Wisdom]

yep

[Wisdom]

Dunn does not look like scum Dunn
Bears dont do what they did as scum and generally their reaction to gamma feels town

[Wisdom]

Fix it by voting kyouko s_s or emmi

[Wisdom]

i don't know, but i also don't know why town-mm do this whole thing, and i don't believe their scumread on gamma is real.
i don't know how they can in good faith come to the conclusion that gamma's reaction is scum gambitting in response here when he p obviously thinks he found scum in a cc

I know but its more likely stubborn town who find what gamma did so bad they cant let go of pushing him
I dont know nora but pooky can be like that

[Wisdom]

Emmi is my last favorite vote of the bunch because id rather lim skilled scum but if it happens ill join

[Wisdom]

least*

[Wisdom]

I dont remember your scumgame but i feel like you can influence things more than emmi

[Wisdom]

I only see one scum in your post

[Wisdom]

Rn I feel like my preference is in Wisdom, Critter, EMMI, M&M

As a good friend of mine would say, rule of three, Wisdom who is the scum in this list?

Emmi, duh

[Wisdom]

I was about to quote it and say "and let me guess, you say this yet you'll magically vote any of others and not emmi"

[Wisdom]

I think it had something to do with trying to lash out at confirmed town for what they believed in, and I do not think Mafia want to draw the attention like that when it can easily result in an elimination.

Or that's the point, to make you think that
I know that as scum I would def fight the IC (and I probably have in the past) if it would make me look like my town self

[Wisdom]

ssbm echoed a lot of my thoughts on the dunnstral/LLD situation in 450 so I'm (very) lightly townreading that slot overall

Id agree with you if she tried to convince LLD Dunn is town. But while she tells her that her points are wrong she then proceeds to scumread Dunn for other points. So the motivation is not to dissipate the tvt

[Wisdom]

ssbm echoed a lot of my thoughts on the dunnstral/LLD situation in 450 so I'm (very) lightly townreading that slot overall

Id agree with you if she tried to convince LLD Dunn is town. But while she tells her that her points are wrong she then proceeds to scumread Dunn for other points. So the motivation is not to dissipate the tvt

Is that a direct reason you think kyouko is scum? Because I think that’s not exactly a scumtell in isolation

yes both Kyouko and Toog have been scummy and Ive been pushing them forever

[Wisdom]

also lol at last kyouko's post

Please lim that

[Wisdom]

already answered that

[Wisdom]

Leaving a poe of {Emmi, Venus, SS, SM, Kyouko}

Why are Kyouko S_S Emmi and Venus town again?
Surely to have that poe youre townreading them

Fix it by voting kyouko s_s or emmi

Emmi is my last favorite vote of the bunch because id rather lim skilled scum but if it happens ill join

Rn I feel like my preference is in Wisdom, Critter, EMMI, M&M

As a good friend of mine would say, rule of three, Wisdom who is the scum in this list?

Emmi, duh

[Wisdom]

S_S continues stating obvious things and being scum

[Wisdom]

Why do you even need Critter to tell you what to comment on?

[Wisdom]

I looked at a game where we were scumbuddies and you were right, your scum game is weaker than I thought
Exactly because you dont know what to say and you end up just being awkward or defensive
So much you look very much like that

[Wisdom]

So far*

[Wisdom]

You should also do something_wise and stop voting me for something_dumb

[Wisdom]

If the IC says stupid stuff like "Dunn is scum because he claimed his flavor" it gives scum space to attack them and fight them

That's precisely what I would do as scum

What's the motivation? Discredit a conftown, gain cred for actively posting stances, gain more cred for posting stances different than a conftown's

[Wisdom]

Cool. I don’t play for likes I play for pushing scum. I can’t explain it yet, but I assure you I will. I wish we would elim Kyo. It’s a difficult situation.

Exactly my feelings

[Wisdom]

critter's town

lolno

Yes. And so is Venus

[Wisdom]

VOTE: Critter

"Town cohesion"
vs
"No, stop talking to other players and just get in line"

I'd rather sit on this instead of Wisdom right now.

Thats equally bad with sitting on me

[Wisdom]

I kinda wanna vote Critter here because his approach feels vaguely scummy rn

I think the opposite

[Wisdom]

Just entertain us and push Kyo folks
If shes town it will show

[Wisdom]

and wisdom says kyouko needs more votes

[Wisdom]

Nobody is tunneling you for talking about mountain dew but sure, every scum flails when they feel they are attacked for the wrong reasons

[Wisdom]

I think you can do a reads wall/list and keep the nuance. Please.

Okay, I guess...
ssbm_Kyouko
Critter, MUSHSHAGANA
Everyone else
Wisdom

If that isn't satisfying, well, I told you so.

lol best you can do is have me as top scumread because you dont understand my reads?

[Wisdom]

every scum flails when they feel they are attacked for the wrong reasons

Transparently false, some people don't flail as scum at all.

And plenty of people flail as both alignments. I don't see why "frustration at being attacked for bullshit reasons" is an emotion reserved for scum.

Yep keep defending your buddy im sure that will go well for you

[Wisdom]

good get limd right after kyouko

[Wisdom]

every scum flails when they feel they are attacked for the wrong reasons

Transparently false, some people don't flail as scum at all.

And plenty of people flail as both alignments. I don't see why "frustration at being attacked for bullshit reasons" is an emotion reserved for scum.

Yep keep defending your buddy im sure that will go well for you

They do bring up a fair point that people do flail as either alignment though, and definitely has happened in the past. This really doesn't help when it just doesn't feel like you answered the actual question and instead went for the scum associative.

There was no question. I saw kyouko doing a thing ive seen scum do lots of times, pointed it out, and s_s came and defended her. Which I also pointed out.

[Wisdom]

kyouko
that or something he supported but never really pushed (which I'm not sure constitutes any slot or slots atm)

that would be emmi or ss
I havent supported anything else

[Wisdom]

sorry not abandoning kyouko scum to push that
feel free to hold it against me

[Wisdom]

yep that was clearly my intention there

[Wisdom]

Why do you offer mm as option

[Wisdom]

Nope

[Wisdom]

Nope was @lld
But also nope at liming mm over kyouko

[Wisdom]

Nope was @lld
But also nope at liming mm over kyouko

I'm not willing to kill the Toogaloo slot today. Even if I think it's scummy, and I do, I'm a little concerned about bias on it.

Then wanna do s_s or emmi?

[Wisdom]

I cant really point to certain posts, its the whole feeling they give me plus poe

[Wisdom]

Mm has claimed or forced a claim to out so better than pretty much anyone else.

Thats not a reason to lim them

[Wisdom]

Disagree
Their intention was not to force any claim
Gamma was just dumb there and took it seriously

[Wisdom]

Idk Noraa but Pooky doing nothing doesnt amaze me

[Wisdom]

Kyouko, EMMI, StrangeMatter
Let’s narrow it down to 3 slots

Can folks tell me why we don’t eliminate these slots? I don’t see any reason not to go with any of these three, and I don’t disagree with Gamma on keeping the day short.

Your vote is not on them

[Wisdom]

Wow, I’m glad I’m not on the crιnge kyo wagon with this!

Critter not being good at casing does not make the wagon cringe. Kyouko is scum, Critter is just bad at showing why

[Wisdom]

VOTE: emmi

whatever lets do this

[Wisdom]

every scum flails when they feel they are attacked for the wrong reasons

Transparently false, some people don't flail as scum at all.

And plenty of people flail as both alignments. I don't see why "frustration at being attacked for bullshit reasons" is an emotion reserved for scum.

Yep keep defending your buddy im sure that will go well for you

They do bring up a fair point that people do flail as either alignment though, and definitely has happened in the past. This really doesn't help when it just doesn't feel like you answered the actual question and instead went for the scum associative.

There was no question. I saw kyouko doing a thing ive seen scum do lots of times, pointed it out, and s_s came and defended her. Which I also pointed out.

The thing is, the question isn't stated, but the question they had is definitely still there. Asking it now since I didn't get the chance earlier, how did you come to the conclusion that flailing is more likely to be scum?

I did not, i was already scumreading her thus saw it as a scum flail
I feel like this is obvious and feel silly explaining it

[Wisdom]

show that I am reading the game

The reason you quote stuff is to show that you're reading the game? Not to read people?

[Wisdom]

Because theyre not actually a claimed cop

[Wisdom]

Venus wagon is garbage

{Kyouko, EMMI, SS, Stranger, MM} are my acceptable lims

Yes, MM returns there, the reasons I has them as town are probably bad

Critter Towlie VFT Mush Dunn Gamma are all town

[Wisdom]

Critter is MathBlade

you dont say

[Wisdom]

Ok ill entertain you, who is scum with Critter?

[Wisdom]

Gamma scum ccs trollclaim because..?

[Wisdom]

Okay
Find out who the third scum from your pool is and lets lim there because im not voting gamma or critter

[Wisdom]

Lmao Kyo you can stop now
You’re not getting me elimmed if you’re scum
And if you’re town you should be listening to the TRs

Since people TR Kyo here
VOTE: Something Smart

Get on emmi please
S_s posting ia getting better

[Wisdom]

I have given it some sleep thought and some more reading and I'm still convinced VFT is the way to go today.

nope

[Wisdom]

blegh I have bad feelings about critter WKing us now

- lilith

I admit I will be incredibly surprised if both you and critter are town here.

Spoiler: they are

[Wisdom]

I won't lie and say having a townblock is inherently a bad thing, there are flaws to (way too many times scum has been a part of them in the past) that too, but is a little hmm moment that all three of Critter, VFT, and Wisdom have town reads on each other like that. I've seen scum do some...wild plays where they townread each other (It's happened off site) but I really doubt that all three are actually scum.

I feel like your only motivation here is to shade us and break town cohesion
If you have specific reasons for any of us not being town, then say so
What youre doing is just scummy

[Wisdom]

This game is pretty much lost from my POV

Dude. Dont be so dramatic. Winning a game isnt just about prs and night play.

[Wisdom]

But I'm defintiely never killing any of EMMI/Stranger/Gamma today

Gamma yes
The other two wtf? Theyre so scummy

[Wisdom]

ssbm_Kyouko replaces Toogeloo effective immediately.

Ah so ssbm_Kyouko replaced Toogeloo. I will keep this in mind and change my Toogeloo townread to ssbm_Kyouko townread.

So far I got Dunnstral, Lady Lambdadelta, and ssbm_Kyouko as town. That means I only have to sort 9 more players. While reading up 40 pages. Hahaha.

Welp, adding Gamma Emerald to the townlist circa page 26.

7 left. I'm almost there. Maybe.

Because this progression isn't scum, sorry. They're lurky as shit and doing nothing but this isn't scum.

What is town about that progression?

[Wisdom]

I did not say everyone else town LLD. Im still not feeling great about Kyouko or SS but I think their posting became better and Im not as willing to lim there, and I additionally accepted MM as a lim when I gave my list

Other than those five though yeah, everyone is town

[Wisdom]

I will not remove the scummiest players in the game no

[Wisdom]

And i dont agree with your take on emmi at all
She just gave some townreads to appease
She even said shes quoting posts to show shes reading the game
Like please

[Wisdom]

Like Kyo is pretty much atrociously bad this game.

If you want to townread her for being that bad go ahead but then substitute Mush.

nah Mush is town for me, and at a higher level than kyouko actually

One of those players has to be. I refuse to believe all the flavor hunting and BS this game is town on town crime.

Believe it
It wont be the first time nor the last

[Wisdom]

VFT is it for today,

because lld said so? I dont think so

[Wisdom]

So can those who are not voting VFT actually come vote Emmi with me ao theres actually an alternative

Just saying VFT wont flip town is not helping

[Wisdom]

will*

[Wisdom]

So basically you push him for his playstyle like you pushed me

Now can you vote scum with us?

@mush

[Wisdom]

Kyouko get on emmi

We will lim her without lld

[Wisdom]

If VFT flips town, I'll probably be dead and guess what you'll get to have your fucking day in court trying to convince people what to do.

Or we could lim scum instead of wasting townies left and right

[Wisdom]

Critter please stay on emmi ffs

[Wisdom]

If VFT flips town, I'll probably be dead and guess what you'll get to have your fucking day in court trying to convince people what to do.

Or we could lim scum instead of wasting townies left and right

I think VFT is scum. I get we play similar but at least afford me the courtesy as confirmed town that I fuckign believe in my own reads.

I know you believe in it
Its still a green flip and I have to point it out

[Wisdom]

Kyouko get on emmi

We will lim her without lld

In what world does voting EMMI, a lurking slot, do anything??

What do you mean by "do anything"?
Are you saying we shouldn't lim Emmi because shes lurking?

[Wisdom]

Kyouko get on emmi

We will lim her without lld

In what world does voting EMMI, a lurking slot, do anything??

This is why Strange is town, btw.

This perspective taking is super town.

No it isnt, its super scummy

[Wisdom]

Kyouko get on emmi

We will lim her without lld

In what world does voting EMMI, a lurking slot, do anything??

This is why Strange is town, btw.

This perspective taking is super town.

No it isnt, its super scummy

Okay, explain why this is scummy.

Because it makes no sense
Since when should we not vote people because theyre lurking?

[Wisdom]

Im not saying emmi is scum for lurking gamma

[Wisdom]

and really being anti town because you know I'm town.

Yep trying to counterwagon a wagon on town is antitown

I should just shut up and let you fulfill your mislim needs

[Wisdom]

My actual scumreads are you and emmi and those are who im pushing
If you "KNOW" something different share it with us

[Wisdom]

I'll vote you just as easily if people prefer you to emmi

[Wisdom]

Because their role pm is green

[Wisdom]

Yep blindly sheep lld, that will go well

[Wisdom]

heya
sorry for my/our absence

i think the best thing to do here is explain what my reads are and then go from there
(i've not discussed these with lilith, she's still not feeling awesome):

Gamma Emerald - probably wasn't the best thing to cc there but the motivation + frustration + thought process behind it was townie

Towelie - don't know yet. i think bork is easier for me to read of the 2 of them but he's feeling more ~muted~ than i saw the last couple of times i've played with him. like town-him was p obvious in perpetual elo, and once i knew what scum-him looked like was also very easy to pick out in tenet. i'm not seeing that here yet. nothing in particularly scummy, but nothing that i can really point to that makes me think town either.

MUSHSHAGANA - townish. kinda feels like she's focusing on tangents that are slightly different than what everyone else is focusing on (i.e. the timing of her critter push, and the sm push, for example), but she's sorting things / following up on things that are important to her in the moment. can kinda tell from how she writes that there's a lot of thought going on behind the scenes

E. M. M. I. - scum. dislike its original dunn vote, and it's later discussion around the original wagon feels hollow. i think it's last post 420 should have been an unvote, but wasn't. feels like it doesn't know how to engage with the game

Milk & Mocha - the whole trolling thing is kinda disappointing and annoying. i want them to really play and not just be doing whatever they're doing. i can't tell who's posting when which is also really annoying and making it a lot harder to read them. was kinda half-following along last night and thought the whole thing was a trolly joke, gamma scumread kinda made sense in that context. or didn't really make sense exactly but kinda fit whatever they were doing. but at this point gamma's reaction is p clearly town so i kinda hate that they're doubling down on that read + the claim. dunno not seeing a lot to like here tbh

Venus Fly Trap - (will be) a shining beacon of towniness

Dunnstral - town. this isn't scum-dunn. he's engaged + trying to move the game along + there's a depth of nuance here that i think is uncharacteristic of scum-him + he has actual reads and is trying to develop them

Wisdom - getting townvibes. like his ssbm push.

Lady Lambdadelta - obvscum (i jest before people yell at me)

Something_Smart - underwhelming, not sure i have much to say here. if he keeps being underwhelming that's +scum for him

Critter - town. looks like he's really trying to understand the game + other people's mindsets. idk if his thought process always makes sense to me, but it amkes sense to him, which is what matters. like in some posts we get a little window into his thought process and how he's approaching the game and how he feels about it and i think it's real and townie (ex: 123 133 138, etc)

StrangeMatter - kinda scummy, and like focusing on the wrong things when they're here almost. or like the things that they're popping in to say are sort of ineffectual and aren't really motivated by trying to sort people or find scum.

Toogeloo/ssbm - conflicted: dunno if scum-toog picks that fight with ic-lld there + had some glimmerings of townpings on him prior to that. i don't tlike the ssbm iteration as much

~ skitter

Here let me do it lld style

VFT is townreading Gamma Critter and Dunnstral. Obvtown

[Wisdom]

Critter is even more obvtown

[Wisdom]

The only one ill compromise on is MM
Otherwise pick from emmi and strange

[Wisdom]

Both flips are green and thus bad

[Wisdom]

Also 1804 was just mocking lld but lol at you thinking its serious

[Wisdom]

Ive caught two scum and trying to fight stupid lims on town
If anyone should be in the pit its you

[Wisdom]

Can you just vote in your poe and stay there

[Wisdom]

What arguments? That's literally what lld gave as reasoning for emmi being town

[Wisdom]

The only one ill compromise on is MM
Otherwise pick from emmi and strange

Out of those M&M is the only valuable flip imo
I’m trying to get a flip that will assist me in sorting the rest of this game. EMMI and SM don’t do that for me. Only other player that might be okay to flip would be Dunn.

Or we could lim scum instead of liming so you can get info

[Wisdom]

I dont want to be enlightened, i want to kill scum
The enlightening will come from people posting

[Wisdom]

who the fuck cares if theyre low info
Theyre still scum

[Wisdom]

What do we get?

[Wisdom]

MM can i interest you in a Emmi or Stranger vote

[Wisdom]

Is anything on the last couple pages important at all

no

[Wisdom]

Get on emmi folks

[Wisdom]

its okay lld, one day you'll learn to catch scum d1 and you wont need useless info lims

[Wisdom]

I just dont understand why you want to lim town

[Wisdom]

This is not even a hard game
Gamma Towlie Venus and Critter are obvtown
With me and you that makes half the playerlist town
I dont see a reason to sabotage ourselves
Not with actual scummy people around

[Wisdom]

Scum are not shooting you over prs that can catch them
It wont be your only day

[Wisdom]

Strange and emmi have done absolutely nothing town, i dont get you at all

[Wisdom]

Its like you either call them town because you want to be contrary or you automatically townread low effort/lurking or something

But its nonsense in any case

[Wisdom]

And like read venus iso
They have reads
They have thought processes
They have trajectories
Theyre just as obvtown as the other five
I dont get your obsession

[Wisdom]

But I only get one shot.

Its like youve locked yourself in this mindset where youre treating this like a vig shot

Its not

Its a lim

And we should keep town cohesion and lim scum

When you roll vig you can break cohesion and shoot whatever moonlogic reada you have (hopefully without me in the game)

Now's not the time

[Wisdom]

What reads dont make sense to you?

[Wisdom]

Like the first time they posted reads they were near identical to mine

[Wisdom]

Your reads are very similar to mine but you disappoint me with the mm read

[Wisdom]

Because MM is a juicier slot than two lurker slots?
I dont know
Why are you saying that as if its scum indicative

[Wisdom]

You can say the same about my reads
Yet im not scum
Poeing out lurkerscum is not a crime

[Wisdom]

Have they actually actively pushed for a mm lim? Because i dont think so
Youre just saying that based on their vote staying there, which I find ok if they havent found a reason to townread mm

[Wisdom]

And by ok i mean not scummy @venus
Its not ok that you havent voted emmi yet if you want a lim to happen

[Wisdom]

It's quite unfortunate that two people I respect are disagreeing so heavily, but I'm going to have to favor the one who's probably going to be dead tomorrow.

This makes me think youre scum again
Youre better than thinking LLD will die or that you have to sheep her

[Wisdom]

Have they actually actively pushed for a mm lim? Because i dont think so
Youre just saying that based on their vote staying there, which I find ok if they havent found a reason to townread mm

Have they LLD?

[Wisdom]

Because there are actual prs that can harm scum
If I was scum id def go after those rather than the ic
And what do you mean you sheeped me? You played a good game and limd Imaginality. I dont think you did it because of me

[Wisdom]

Yes? Transparently so?

[Wisdom]

You have a weak spot for whoever sounds like a newbie and you expect all scum to be masterminds and manipulative, i cant explain it any other way

Guy is obviously scum

[Wisdom]

Because shes played with me before and you havent

[Wisdom]

"basement bullshit scum", THATS WHY I'M HAPPY TO STAY THERE. It looks like scum that don't know how to get out of a hole they put themselves in.

What posts indicate this?

[Wisdom]

She is, yes
That doesn't change the shallow way s_s is going about this and hes likely scum for it

[Wisdom]

Im not very inclined to take you seriously because youre scumreading me and critter for playstyle things, so the immediate thing that makes sense to me is youre likewise disliking venus

If you point out something specific to me that has a clear scum motivation I'll listen though

@mush

[Wisdom]

LLD posted a very definite “these are my stances for if I die” post, I don’t think the mindset S_S is displaying makes full sense in light of that

I've been around long enough to see how much people respect the reads of the dead (unless they believe they were specifically killed for their reads). I would think that you have too.

Okay when shes dead you can make that argument
Until then you have no excuse to avoid playing and just go "/sheep"

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Youre telling me you cant play a mafia game without sheeping someone?

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Ignore critter and answer to me and Venus please

[Wisdom]

Critter kindly get back on emmi

[Wisdom]

We should consolidate on Dunnstral.

His massive drop-off since LLD held him upside down and shook him for loose change is so lulz-scummy.

He doesn't even want to be here lol.

We'll consider it tomorrow. For now get on emmi so we can have a lim

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no lets get the emmi lim

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how about we dont behave like a bunch of children

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Thats what ive been saying for a while
Asking people to consolidate on emmi so we can have a lim
The difference is those people dont townread emmi while i townread vft

[Wisdom]

VOTE: Venus Fly Trap

lim this tomorrow

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lld is just bad and cant even talk to me when im showing her the reasons shes scumreading vft do not exist
at least i tried

[Wisdom]

there is absolutely scum in the people voting us, i would start with mush or dunn

Nope, its ss.

[Wisdom]

Still possible guys
Just need Gamma MM Critter and a hammer

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Get on emmi please so this is possible

[Wisdom]

VOTE: s_s

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I thiiiink did it again

So basically youre not scumreading VFT youre saying?

[Wisdom]

VOTE: VFT

Sync.

Sorry if we’re wrong.

Its obvious you are wrong and you should know better

[Wisdom]

kyouko left so I followed

[Wisdom]

kyouko left so I followed

Instead of calling her out?

That vote swap from her is pretty bad.

It’s a matter of if it is I want to stop VFT elim bad or performative I am trying bad.

What? She was voting emmi, not vft
Its not bad

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Scum-Venus doesnt claim a pr to draw ccs because..?

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And? The setup obv has a doc, why not claim doc to get the cc?

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That makes no sense. Scum can't know who the doc is. If vft is getting lim'd anyway, they might out the doc at least.

Vft is just town and its painfully obvious

[Wisdom]

The setup obv has a doc

Where did this come from? Did every game in 2013 have a doc?

Macho duh

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Not necessarily; it could just be so that scum know they can safely kill her. Unless that kind of thing didn't exist back then.

Even if thats the case it doesnt harm vft to claim doc

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dude theyd know who the protective is and theyd just kill them
Think before you post

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my argument is not bad but youre about to hammer town so i dont care to convince you further

[Wisdom]

confbiased my way to reading VFT as scum

The only accurate thing in your post

[Wisdom]

Guys. I would never defend a fucking goon so much as scum. I bus my buddies.

[Wisdom]

Plus I'd never kill LLD when there are PRs around but that's more arguable

[Wisdom]

OK.

We can do different things tomorrow

I can get behind this.

It's quite unfortunate that two people I respect are disagreeing so heavily, but I'm going to have to favor the one who's probably going to be dead tomorrow.

Also, I think I agree with the reads here-- I can follow the town reasoning for SM, but Emmi not so much. But of course it's entirely possible LLD sees something I don't.

This is the crumb in my opinion. It's closer to the end of the day and the context refers to the next day.

The one about hiding behind the alt does not look as likely because for one it's way earlier in the day and then he's quoting Kyouko and talking about Critter so it's not that clear.

VOTE: Dunn

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And note that SS did not quote the full post:

OK.

We can do different things tomorrow. I personally agree that SM feels town but don't agree with Emmi feeling town and could vote there on a later day.

despite talking about the rest of the post (the reads) in his answer.

Maybe Im reading too much into it but maybe the omission was so it would be made clearer that it's a crumb.

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we came into today wanting to vote m&m for basically not only leading me on a wild goose chase w/ VFT but also i'm pretty convinced pooky knew what answer he wanted to give me about VFT's alignment before looking at any of what we talked about

this takes precedence though

-b

What if I said I thought Dunn/Wisdom/Kyo/M&M contained the remaining scum.

Also don’t hammer we need Gamma online

As much as it will pain me if emmi and stranger end up both being town, you might be right

[Wisdom]

The quote says "we can do different things tomorrow"

As in, tomorrow, after I have a night result/death

[Wisdom]

him jumping immediately to doc kinda seals it for me.

I have never seen macho used with something other than doc

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I agree scum are informed.

I dont see anything to indicate scum are informed

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If Wisdom is scum no multitasking in the rules so we should be good.

I don't understand what you are referring to. Do we know that Wisdom used another night action?

I think he means that if I flipped scum there would only be one scum left and that scum would not be able to kill+action

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(This is all assuming Wisdom is scum)

Dont get too invested in your planning because Im not scum