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VOTE: T3
I CAUGHT SCUM ON N0
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T3: Would you tone it down with the memes and videos?
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In post 33, PenguinPower wrote:One would think that in an open setup the role pms would be....open to viewing.
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That's a GOOD case on Roden, Roden. Why are you voting Gamma there instead though?In post 49, Roden wrote:I just meta dived Roden, he's probably scum since one time five months ago he didn't make the sixth post and that's scum indicative for him. Trust me he's definitely scum and we should death tunnel him all game because the vibes are bad and my vibes are never wrong.
VOTE: Gamma
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@Meg: What Tine zone are you on (roughly if you don't want to specify)?
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Oh, OK. Cuz I'm GMT +2, so I'm already on Thursday
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YWIn post 66, MegAzumarill wrote:Thanks for the thought
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O never do that. Check my previous games.In post 76, redtea wrote:scum probably already willingly bring up self-meta with no provocation,
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Q: What is the confirmed innocent doing on MS today?? Don't you have.. like.. candles to blow, wishes to make and a cake to eat?
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How do you mean??In post 98, redtea wrote:historically people who fail to understand my very clear posts are scum
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I like how this game has nothing going on but everybody's pretending that it's ongoing and forming wagons that get to E-1 too.
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Hey; stop me if you think you've heard this one before, but I feel the panic in your tone already. Did November Spawn a Monster for you? Don't ask why I'm doing this though because.. what difference does it make. really?In post 182, mozamis wrote:
"Nature is a language, can't you read?" (The Smiths)In post 20, Galron wrote:I care deeply for nature.
Also why do I feel that everyday is like sunday; which is tomorrow by the way?
Well, I'm afraid if this charming man goes on longer that joke isn't funny anymore. As usual: big mouth strikes again
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Hello old friend. How's it been going?
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Cuz you're an alt of Enchant would be my best guess!In post 196, Enchant wrote:
Why i am not in town list?In post 180, numberQ wrote:Early reads, in order from towniest to scummiest:
Town:
Roden
Penguin
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A50
ssbm
redtea
Gamma
Null:
Galron
mozamis
Not_Mafia
Leanscum:
Enchant
Egix
Meg
Scum:
numberQ
I can elaborate on any of these if asked but I'm not going to elaborate on all of them right now, too much work.
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Did you notice who is confirmed scum, btw?
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Are you saying the rest of the readlist was serious? because I assumed it was all upside down tbh. If you did mean I was a Town lean to you I would like a short explanation. I don't think i did anything alliance indicative thus far, unless you're meta-reading me. Is that it?In post 199, numberQ wrote:(That was a joke on the same level as when I jokingly implied Gamma was VT, btw)
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VOTE: Enchant
Now what is the thing we're trying to do with this new wagon??
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What's an AI?
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I mean, I promised LQ I'll troll the shit out of everyone, but you guys aren't providing me with the raw material. I guess I'll have to4 improvise... hold on
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OK.. here comes.. we all know Danny DeVito rolls Scum more often than not. Like, the guy tried to kill his wife in Ruthless People, was Hacj Nicholson's assistant in Hoffa, and -of course- he was Penguin in Batman Returns.
It thus follows that the penguin is a prime suspect here, and I shall sum it all up for you:
1- If I die tonight he is confirmed Scum. Period. No questions asked.
2- If I do NOT die tonight, he is still scum. He just talked his fellow gangsters out of shooting me for fear he would be confirmed scum.
3- If he himself is killed tonight, he used to be a gangster and tried to quit, and you don't ever quit on the Mafia and get to live.
So, tomorrow we fry the bird with tuxedo and serve it with spicy rice.
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You know, of late I've been like... but.. so.. you feel?
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It looks like this will be a low-effort low-posting game
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Enchant, my friend. It's not how fast one posts. it's the bloody result they give. If you say X is clear and they are in fact Mafia it's not hard for Scum to deduce you're not the Cop. This is why it's a bad idea because usually one can tell 2-3 player are not PRs from the first look, and then 2-3 others help them out by giving them wrong results, so 7-9 players are not PRs (including Scum themselves) and the PR pool is reduced to 3-4 players who have THREE PRs in them.In post 303, Enchant wrote:I am VT, have fun.
Still consider my idea, because i don't really see how it out PRs (it's very specific, and i think CRUMBS more likely to out PR actually). Because i am town and dying anyway, i suggest you to do in this order (Completly random):
1. mozamis
2. Not_Mafia
3. Galron
4. PenguinPower
5. numberQ
6. redtea
7. MegAzumarill
8. ssbm_Kyouko
9. Almost50
10. Egix96
11. Gamma Emerald
12. Roden
So mafia doesh't just assume someone is PR for "posting too fast" or "posting too late" and other.
If this idea is "Chaotic".
Well. Really, do you find SO HARD to make one belivable fake post or what? Complete disgrace.
I hope that clears the situation for you
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Bad assumption. I "vaguely" remember we had a recent game with all 3 leading wagons on D1 being on Scum. It was a Large though, but I'm arguing the principle itself. It's not that uncommon that Scum are giving bad vibes so wagons are formed on all of them, and it's assumptions like this that help them live longer.In post 304, Roden wrote:My thought process behind scum!Enchant = town!Galron is that it doesn't make sense for them to be competing SvS wagons.
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OK. if we have only 2 TPRs we still have another Scum PR. Of we have 2 TPRs the remaining Scum are goons. Right?
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Shit! This means 4 rolls out of 6 were 1-3. We either have a BG + 1-shot Vig, a Doctor or a 2-shot Vig.
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Can anyone explain why Moz was the kill here? I don't see a crumb in his ISO, I don't think he made any serious reads, and I don't think he was globally TR'd even.
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Why am I( not being wagoned in this game?? I haven't done anything remotely beneficial and I have no clue on DAY TWO. Kinda feel intrigued tbh.
Also, as for the Moz kill I tried to see if someone had "extensive experience" with him. Turns out Gamma (8 games), Myself (7 games) and N_M (6 games) are the only players than count, and it would be hypocritic to accuse either of Gamma/N_M and pretend not to be a suspect for the same reason.
P.S. Search continues to work in a funny way. It fails to find ANY games for Moz that has Meg in them, and any for Meg that have Moz in them. Everyone else has at least THIS ONE showing, but for some odd reason "No suitable matches were found." shows every time I try searching for one of them in the other's topics.
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Hmmm.. so why are we not frying the penguin already?In post 397, numberQ wrote:Are you trying to tell me 212 wasn't beneficial?
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Click -say- your own name.. go to "player's topics" (down right.. under where it says when you registered and when was your last visit). Your topics are listed and there's a search button on the top-left side. Put "Almost50" and it should show you all topics where I was with you (or at least my name was mentioned in fill .. "Almost50" in them)
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VOTE: PPIn post 448, PenguinPower wrote:VOTE: egix
at least there's competing wagons for the first time this game
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I want to effort.. I really do.. I just don't feel like it, so..
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In post 642, PenguinPower wrote:"I'm NM, it's what I do"
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WAIT! Did PP self-hammer??
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The one in which we have no more TPRs alive.In post 674, Not_Mafia wrote:What set-up is this again?
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Peter Gabriel? Is that you??
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Obligatory CW vote
VOTE: Egix
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So was RodenIn post 729, Gamma Emerald wrote:VOTE: Almost50
On top of what Galron put forth, he was on both miselims so I wanna ask him why he voted where he has this game
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^ Just FTR ^
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What do you think?In post 744, Roden wrote:In post 740, Almost50 wrote:
So was RodenIn post 729, Gamma Emerald wrote:VOTE: Almost50
On top of what Galron put forth, he was on both miselims so I wanna ask him why he voted where he has this game
Do you have a reason for making this specific appeal to Gamma?In post 741, Almost50 wrote:^ Just FTR ^
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I believe it's called "silly questions beg for silly answers". Like, seriously, what was the purpose of your question? Someone votes me and provides a reason that also applies to someone else, so I point out the conf!bias in their reasoning. What's so hard to grasp about it when I had even quoted the post I was responding to?
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So, I guess townies need to start thinking (but not verbalizing their thoughts yet) about their votes in ELo. I don't think this Town eliminates Scum today and it'sobviousI'm being kept as the de facto mislim of the day and they'll make the move 36-48 hours from now.
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I don't even know why numberQ is being wagoned. I also notice that Roden and Galron moved there after having been on me. What's the deal with this? And why is N_M already voting (rather than the usual "wait for the lol!hammer")?
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First: I wasn't complaining. I was asking for an explanation, which you seem to have provided in your third paragraph. Maybe you could have typed that one first, but I understand sometimes one feels like letting out some of the mental pressure.In post 807, Roden wrote:
Can I do literally anything this game without somebody complaining about itIn post 801, Almost50 wrote:I don't even know why numberQ is being wagoned. I also notice that Roden and Galron moved there after having been on me. What's the deal with this? And why is N_M already voting (rather than the usual "wait for the lol!hammer")?
Like A50 do you think we have any leads whatsoever? Can we genuinely scum read anyone when less than half the players are even posting and literally every single person under pressure just chooses to roll over and die instead of pushing their scum reads? RH9 just got here yet they've added more content than some players who've been here since Day 1.
All I can do is vote and see how people react because literally nothing else is working. I can't even question people without them shutting down or acting like scum hunting is inherently toxic and that I need to stop talking. It took me almost two entire weeks to figure out what the fuck Gamma's read on me was, and even then he just replaced out afterwards anyway so it didn't even matter.
Second: I agree we don't have many leads. However, I still don't know WHY numberQ in particular. Why get the guy to E-1 "just to see what happens"?
Third: Based on #2, why won't you switch your vote to Egix at this time?
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Now here's someone that will probably win the game for their team. Now which team is that?In post 827, T3 wrote:Taly replaces redtea.
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Assuming Galron is Scum; why do you think he voted numberQ over Egix?In post 831, RH9 wrote:How do you feel about eliminating Galron, then? I feel better about Roden then Galron.
VOTE: Galron for coordinating the 'miselimination'.
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In post 831, RH9 wrote:How do you feel about eliminating Galron, then? I feel better about Roden then Galron.
VOTE: Galron for coordinating the 'miselimination'.In post 836, Galron wrote:Just jump on in Taly. You'll fall asleep reading.In post 838, Galron wrote:
I'd like to hear RH9's answer to this.In post 832, Almost50 wrote:
Assuming Galron is Scum; why do you think he voted numberQ over Egix?In post 831, RH9 wrote:How do you feel about eliminating Galron, then? I feel better about Roden then Galron.
VOTE: Galron for coordinating the 'miselimination'.In post 840, RH9 wrote:Actually good question. VOTE: Egix96 for today. I guess that maybe it will make more sense if Galron, is Town.In post 841, RH9 wrote:To be fair, if Egix96 is Mafia, we can vote Roden next.
Walk me through this. Explain to me like I haven't been born yet what changed your mind from voting Galron in 831 to get to a "more towny feel" in 844In post 844, RH9 wrote:In post 837, numberQ wrote:The conversation right now is mostly about the wagons that are currently happening, so probably necessary to at least read the current day. Beyond that, this game has honestly been pretty slow.
pedit: Well I'm voting Egix and have been SRing him since day 1. I think his lim will help build associations on Roden and/or Galron. Maaaybe RH9, though at the moment I think that's a flimsier connection. I've talked about this in previous posts this day.
Well, if Egix96 is Mafia, then are you suggesting that Roden and Galron aren't Town. Honestly, Galron feels more Towny now.In post 833, numberQ wrote:Hmm. I don't know, I still like Egix for the lim. Their play has been scummier than Roden and Galron imo. Plus, them flipping scum will give us a lot more info than one of the other two flipping scum, at least in terms of lending validity to my theory. Maybe there are other associations that a Roden or Galron flip would shed light on that I'm not thinking of.
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That's a good point.In post 848, Egix96 wrote:You do realise that if I were scum, it would have been +ev for me to lolhammer you? Sure, that would have been outing, but it ensures you would've died before me.
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@RH: You've got some explaining to do.. Let me run down the problems I'm having with you (and I won't even try to bring up Gamma. Just your own posts since you replaced in):
1- You started with a TR on Galron & a "shade" on Roden., then you immediately retracted the Roden shade and decided to sheep him unto numberQ.
2 (a)- You liked my 801 but it took you 4 hours to unvote numberQ. Keeping someone @E-1 is way too risky if you're not sure, unless you knew something or was hoping for something.
2 (b)- Now this is how my brain works: If you are scum you knew none of your mates was going to hammer, but you were hoping a townie does.
3- (This one may be just "dislike of playstyle") I dunno what you were doing with all this quoting posts from other games. You could've just said meta from [link], so I find it sus on the grounds you needed to look like you're doing something and posting a LOT. Many players assume if someone is wallposting they're likely Town. I don't.
4- 30 minutes after you had unvoted numberQ you revoted him again. In my book that was your scum buddies telling you to keep the vote in case a townie did decide to cast a vote there.
5- After almost 2 more hours you unvoted, and hoped "Mafia realises their mistake" (I didn't know Aussies used the English spelling)
6- Regarding your vote on Galron, it didn't make sense because -as you guessed- if you SR'd Galron then him picking numberQ over Egix should have lead you to believe Egix was his partner, and there was a wagon already there, so you voting Galron over Egix looked pretty weird to me.
7- Soon after you switched to Egix, which I had no problem with at the time. My problem is you went back to stating a TR on Galron, the guy you had been voting, and without him having done anything AI between the points where you voted him and when you switched. To me this says you were dancing around before you voted Egix because you thought it looks bad for you to switch from Roden to Egix directly.
8- In your very next post; you decided to shade Roden again, but this time it's in a way that Scum you knows you won't have to pursue. "If Egix is Mafia" is a condition I am assuming isn't true, so you won't have to vote Roden after the flip.
9- When you unvote Egix you say you have "nothing against him". What Town players puts someone at E-1 with "nothing against them"??
10- Your response in 876 is "surface level" at best. You assume Mafia will always OMGUS?
11- How does "Mafia realizing their mistake" = you "catching scum before you get NK'd"?? In fact, what bloody mistake did they do when you had replaced in during this day phase?
Based on all above I can't in good conscience vote elsewhere, and I think it would take something BIG for me to unvote you.
VOTE: RH9
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That brings us back to the question of "why didn't Egix lol!hammer numberQ to save himself?". It's 6 v 3 now, and a lol!hammer on the counterwagon would have been a step forward even if it did resolve the "1st Elo" dilemma for us, because Scum have 2 more shots at getting their win anyway.
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You answered your own question.In post 904, numberQ wrote:Does anyone have thoughts on what an RH9 scum flip means for who the rest of his team is? Newb scum might sheep their buddy as hard as RH9 seemed to be sheeping Roden.
As for N_M, let's just say he did visit the site most recently and didn't drop by to say hi.
My mind is telling me RH & Roden are bus'ing their inactive partner to earn some credit on his expense, but I'm not sure if my mind is telling me the truth.
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Nothing against you; RH, but I think we need talk a LOT about how you play. For now I want to point out thatreading the setup and knowing how the game wentis much much much more important than "meta hunting" (which is not even "the game", but people insist to prioritize it over actual scum hunting for some reason).
You wanna know why I unvoted? because you claimed.. which -surprise surprise- tells me you've been playing a game you know absolutely nothing about. Y'see this is an open setup, and we have 2 flipped TPRs already, which is -according to the dice rolls- all we had. This means EVERYONE left is a VT, and no one cares to ask for a claim anymore.
So, your inexperience almost got you killed, but it also got you saved eventually. Not that I'm impressed, because -frankly- I had expected more from you (this means you left a gppd impression in that dead & spectators thread). I hope you will learn this lesson (and we still can talk about how you play/post post-game if you like)
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I am totally lost here. Like, seriously.. all I know is numberQ & Egix are Town, and that's about it. RH jumps to 3rd place now with that "I claim VT before I die" because I don't see him coming up with that play on his own, but I am leaving a slim chance for him to have been tutored in the Scum PT
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