Anything uPick (Endgame)

[GrandpaMo]

hey guys... funny thing is i never got a game start pm so i never knew the game started lol

[GrandpaMo]

there is a lot of aggressive ppl on this thread LOL

this is probably due to the nature of the roles everyone has

[GrandpaMo]

Speaking of, Queen has just hit the 48 hour mark so I would say prepare to bully them

Fwiw, she’s not ellitelling.

@mod, plrease prod Queen

We have 11 days, cool your jets nance

You're literally the one person voting Queen. Gamma

Prods are the mechanic for people not posting in the thread
Voting is there for pressure if they continue to post without any real content

VOTE: deimos27
Fine.

looking back ... i dont like this little interaction right here -- they come out instantly and fall into the hands of another person?

[GrandpaMo]

I'm not looking forward to this. I just got the game start PM this morning.

same

[GrandpaMo]

i trhink in big games like this .. someones rvs can tell a lot after a flip has been determined specifically a scum flip -- and / or pre flip guesses

[GrandpaMo]

also heard a good strat for this is everyone to rr and someone(s) to keep a record list of all the pr claims therfore to keep any inaccuraces, discrepancies that could happen during the night or even later day

anyone disagree agree?

[GrandpaMo]

hey guys... funny thing is i never got a game start pm so i never knew the game started lol

Is this a town slip?
~C

how is it a townslip..?

[GrandpaMo]

I'm not allowed to quote from PT I assume but I can copy-paste right?

are u in a hood?

[GrandpaMo]

15) This setup is bastard*.

u never explain this * rc

can u or no

[GrandpaMo]

also heard a good strat for this is everyone to rr and someone(s) to keep a record list of all the pr claims therfore to keep any inaccuraces, discrepancies that could happen during the night or even later day

anyone disagree agree?

Feel free to be the book keeper. We've vaguely claimed PR that's potentially -ve utility.
~C

why do you agree to this. i assumed someone to crituqe or hard disagree.

i didn't ask to be a book keeper -- there is a difference in what i said.

[GrandpaMo]

i assumed someone to crituqe or hard disagree.

???

why would you assume someone would hard disagree to the most basic thing of "keeping track of claims"?

im talking about the personbal message that was said to me. they replied saying for me to instantly be the bookkeeper.

and 2nd ; that wasn't my original point. keeping track of claims is the 2nd point of my original point to mass rolerevealing, so i was specifically talking bout the main point in which if the main point is the main consensus then we would havce someone to be bookkeep, makes sense?

[GrandpaMo]

Is Gamma really scum.
Those last few posts seem genuine idk.

conscious thought process

1+ townping

[GrandpaMo]

The spiteful thing yeah that was bad but also I was kinda dealing with some shit irl
But the Queen vote in an impeccable example of me getting pushed simply because I tried to do something that people felt like was the wrong way to go about the thing

The reason that Queen vote is suss is because you were pushing Diemos and also rat, so it made no sense to be voting Queen unless you literally had no scrs.

That is literally how I try to to apply my vote as town though, is to apply pressure. And just because I’m voting somewhere doesn’t mean I have a confident SR there, especially on D1. You should honestly be intimately familiar with this stuff about me.

Why should I be familiar with this? I’m obviously not, so provide some examples from some past towngames then I guess but I just don’t see the town fire from you that I saw in both CoD and me v Titus here when I wrongly pushed you. You didn’t sound defeated there, you sounded like you wanted my head and I’ve seen you do that as town in plenty of games. You just don’t sound genuinely outraged like you did in both of those games.

Now I can understand dejection post toog threat but why now? I mean you’re doing stiff but I’m not getting any outrage. I feel really bad for you because I believe you’re genuinely sad but that in itself isn’t enough for me to change my read on you.

i hard disagree with you and hard agree with gamma.

even though it can be used for WIFOM purposes ; usually the person that is ouyt there pushing and making pressure on a slot that hasn't been told off yet -- comes from a town mindset. as scum, you will be more confiding, you will be scared to come out and push. as town, you are more likely to keep a thought process of "who's scum... how are they going to react if i push them..." this goes from expierence, surely specifically my expierence. i've played with gamma before personally, this stuff that you are reading gamma off is nai. find another branch m8

[GrandpaMo]

I kinda just lost my job because I got snippy so excuse me for being muted as a result

Oh well sorry to hear that then.

hello?

[GrandpaMo]

The spiteful thing yeah that was bad but also I was kinda dealing with some shit irl
But the Queen vote in an impeccable example of me getting pushed simply because I tried to do something that people felt like was the wrong way to go about the thing

The reason that Queen vote is suss is because you were pushing Diemos and also rat, so it made no sense to be voting Queen unless you literally had no scrs.

That is literally how I try to to apply my vote as town though, is to apply pressure. And just because I’m voting somewhere doesn’t mean I have a confident SR there, especially on D1. You should honestly be intimately familiar with this stuff about me.

Why should I be familiar with this? I’m obviously not, so provide some examples from some past towngames then I guess but I just don’t see the town fire from you that I saw in both CoD and me v Titus here when I wrongly pushed you. You didn’t sound defeated there, you sounded like you wanted my head and I’ve seen you do that as town in plenty of games. You just don’t sound genuinely outraged like you did in both of those games.

Now I can understand dejection post toog threat but why now? I mean you’re doing stiff but I’m not getting any outrage. I feel really bad for you because I believe you’re genuinely sad but that in itself isn’t enough for me to change my read on you.

i hard disagree with you and hard agree with gamma.

even though it can be used for WIFOM purposes ; usually the person that is ouyt there pushing and making pressure on a slot that hasn't been told off yet -- comes from a town mindset. as scum, you will be more confiding, you will be scared to come out and push. as town, you are more likely to keep a thought process of "who's scum... how are they going to react if i push them..." this goes from expierence, surely specifically my expierence. i've played with gamma before personally, this stuff that you are reading gamma off is nai. find another branch m8

I was basing that off of a couple of games when I hard tunnelled him as town, which is why I’m asking him for examples of this. I’m very happy to be wrong here if that’s the case.

huh? u said u sus gamma because of them pressuring someone. when was this bout u?

[GrandpaMo]

I kinda just lost my job because I got snippy so excuse me for being muted as a result

Oh well sorry to hear that then.

hello?

Hello what?

I don’t doubt for a minute that he’s upset about that.

no i was talking to u . u were taking a long time to respond LOL sorry

but yea im sorry for u gamma<3 hope all goes well

[GrandpaMo]

The spiteful thing yeah that was bad but also I was kinda dealing with some shit irl
But the Queen vote in an impeccable example of me getting pushed simply because I tried to do something that people felt like was the wrong way to go about the thing

The reason that Queen vote is suss is because you were pushing Diemos and also rat, so it made no sense to be voting Queen unless you literally had no scrs.

That is literally how I try to to apply my vote as town though, is to apply pressure. And just because I’m voting somewhere doesn’t mean I have a confident SR there, especially on D1. You should honestly be intimately familiar with this stuff about me.

Why should I be familiar with this? I’m obviously not, so provide some examples from some past towngames then I guess but I just don’t see the town fire from you that I saw in both CoD and me v Titus here when I wrongly pushed you. You didn’t sound defeated there, you sounded like you wanted my head and I’ve seen you do that as town in plenty of games. You just don’t sound genuinely outraged like you did in both of those games.

Now I can understand dejection post toog threat but why now? I mean you’re doing stiff but I’m not getting any outrage. I feel really bad for you because I believe you’re genuinely sad but that in itself isn’t enough for me to change my read on you.

i hard disagree with you and hard agree with gamma.

even though it can be used for WIFOM purposes ; usually the person that is ouyt there pushing and making pressure on a slot that hasn't been told off yet -- comes from a town mindset. as scum, you will be more confiding, you will be scared to come out and push. as town, you are more likely to keep a thought process of "who's scum... how are they going to react if i push them..." this goes from expierence, surely specifically my expierence. i've played with gamma before personally, this stuff that you are reading gamma off is nai. find another branch m8

I was basing that off of a couple of games when I hard tunnelled him as town, which is why I’m asking him for examples of this. I’m very happy to be wrong here if that’s the case.

huh? u said u sus gamma because of them pressuring someone. when was this bout u?

He was hardpushing Datisi and suddenly dropped it, once toog said he was going to bomb him. What about me? He was pushing Dats not me.

can u show me that post interaction?

i didnt look at the full convo -- so i have context bias

[GrandpaMo]

I don’t have to ask you anything. There are what like 8 people voting you and I’m trying to correctly sort you. If you want me to stop doing that, just say the word.

thats why im on the edge too.

i think whoever is on this acc rn is town for this specific reason -- we both have the similar thought process approaching gamma who is being pressured by multiple as well.

and some of this people also haven't made any great contributions either i believe.

[GrandpaMo]

You know what, sure, just fucking vote me. You were talking about how I wasn’t getting upset like I had in the past but you had a problem with it when I did. You’re clearly not thinking straight here.

Well then, please help me to fucking do that then.

oop

[GrandpaMo]

I’m still not understanding Gamma’s case at all but reading that made me like Dats alot more.

i understand the defense -- i don't understand the aggressive nature of gamma tho.

i already explaiuned for the defense part -- and im willing to help u consoliadte that .

but im assuming gamma will post more regarding their aggresive nature later

[GrandpaMo]

Grandpa

do you think the current wagons are unjustified and if so, what are you gonna do about that?

I was gon wait till gamma's response + cheeky

also need to get my work done -- expect to get my opinion / perspective on this whole fiasco later on (maybe around 12 am est)

[GrandpaMo]

Grandpa

do you think the current wagons are unjustified and if so, what are you gonna do about that?

I was gon wait till gamma's response + cheeky

also need to get my work done -- expect to get my opinion / perspective on this whole fiasco later on (maybe around 12 am est)

forgot to include -- that this is wait is also because I want to sit down and look at the origin of this scum read and read the interactions with it hence why I asked for cheeky to show me

[GrandpaMo]

I’m still not understanding Gamma’s case at all but reading that made me like Dats alot more.

like him how

I’m still not understanding Gamma’s case at all but reading that made me like Dats alot more.

i understand the defense -- i don't understand the aggressive nature of gamma tho.

i already explaiuned for the defense part -- and im willing to help u consoliadte that .

but im assuming gamma will post more regarding their aggresive nature later

The hell? You saw me get aggro

at you

in mini 2234, why are you surprised at me being like this???

no that was a different scenerio. u literally even said ur self that u did that whole shit as an act. was that game where i was scum?

[GrandpaMo]

also i fell asleep yesterday so i couldnt update my self -- so hopefully afterschool

[GrandpaMo]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=88015
I have to watch a movie soon so don’t expect posting for like 2-3 hours

Which movie?

I am not going to read 80 pages after coming in late. Likely will just vote the biggest wagon.

Anyone else who came in late, would like to hear your thoughts.

Looking at the activity overview, read Clemency's ISO, there's less there than from anyone who started on time.

What's up Clemency?

this is scummy af.

[GrandpaMo]

Even if it’s a joke it (as in, the post) still deserves death I think
Compare how he’s acting here to how he acted in this game, then try and tell me don’t understand why I’m being very critical of what Loft is doing.

Gamma I just think killing loft who is a claimed miller and low content slot, just doesn't help us much at this stage. If they keep it up in coming phases sure. Toog could've sorted them for us but c'est la vie.
~C

eh not rlly -- there is 17 ppl .


i rather get rid of the low content ppl and ppl who just troll around rather than get distracted with possible openwolf and warlocking

[GrandpaMo]

So you're saying that we should kill players who we aren't sure either way are town or scum because of their low content output, rather than extremely scummy players who output a lot of content?

no

i just disagree with what cheeky said lol


im not saying we shouldnt ignore those scummy players but we also shouldnt ignore thsoe ppl i pointed out

[GrandpaMo]

ye ok sure

VOTE: galron

r we thinking the same thing ?

[GrandpaMo]

So you're saying that we should kill players who we aren't sure either way are town or scum because of their low content output, rather than extremely scummy players who output a lot of content?

also i think ur fine rn

[GrandpaMo]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=88015
I have to watch a movie soon so don’t expect posting for like 2-3 hours

Which movie?

I am not going to read 80 pages after coming in late. Likely will just vote the biggest wagon.

Anyone else who came in late, would like to hear your thoughts.

Looking at the activity overview, read Clemency's ISO, there's less there than from anyone who started on time.

What's up Clemency?

this is scummy af.

This is scummy af.
~C

what me? let me explain --

lol galron literally contradicts his thought process. (sometimes seen as a slip) contradiction of thought process in own's own mental capacity is usually a scum thing to do (or sometimes a PR move)

They come in with filler content by asking them "which movie" which had no relation to what Galron was previously stating then goes on to say they will not read and say they will vote the biggest wagon -- which is ok ig... but stil not a favorable thing to do (sheeping is usually done by scum after laziness is prompted)

3rd -- they come in and say they want people's thoughts after a prompted assumtpion they was going to read the last page and sheep whomever -- meaning they have done an uncious tell of hey im just gonna act like imm doing something by asking other people what their thoughts on this but im not gonna listen to you because im voting whomever is the biggest majority since i already told myself that i wasn't gonna read past info.

the past info is not going to be regualted with new info -- that's a psychological deem way of thinking and its honestly if you really think about it, you can see why galron is scum for this especially with the introduction of the filler content that attributed to their fake "helpfulness"

but this is only a theory... a scum theory ofc.

[GrandpaMo]

VOTE: grandpmamo
his response to my frustration really just sucks, it feels like he’s trying to call my feelings fake which is both scummy and kinda shitty personally

lol i never fucking responded to u even wa.y

where did this energy come from? ill be afk and i still plan to respond to u from yesterday, i just never had the time to really sit down and look at the interactions like i said yesterday lol relaxation por favor

[GrandpaMo]

hey guys... funny thing is i never got a game start pm so i never knew the game started lol

there is a lot of aggressive ppl on this thread LOL

this is probably due to the nature of the roles everyone has

Yeah this can go. I caught my first obv scum.
~C

ouu intersting thought process. ill respond later kek when i come backl

[GrandpaMo]

This reasoning on the other hand I don't get at all

its like how they contradict their own thought process. i was trying my best to explain it all without missing the context.

[GrandpaMo]

hey guys... funny thing is i never got a game start pm so i never knew the game started lol

there is a lot of aggressive ppl on this thread LOL

this is probably due to the nature of the roles everyone has

Yeah this can go. I caught my first obv scum.
~C

Mo is a slot that gets miselimed alot. I was lock convinced he was scum in two games I played with him. I want to see more before I rush to judgment on him.

Also, he’s the first one to claim delayed role pm, so that looks better than anyone claiming it later.

You also have a very similar thought process as mine.


You showed this earlier -- and i townpinged you for it believe. unless it was cheeky to say that

[GrandpaMo]

VOTE: grandpmamo
his response to my frustration really just sucks, it feels like he’s trying to call my feelings fake which is both scummy and kinda shitty personally

I get wrongly accused of that all the time and yeah it definitely sucks but I don’t see why that makes him scum?

that was my same thinking as well --

im like it's so out of the blue. they went on like 5 different wagons -- and just sees me for pushing them? when i was in fact defending them earlier?

it doesn't make sense to me.

and supposedly im making them mad lol

[GrandpaMo]

VOTE: grandpmamo
his response to my frustration really just sucks, it feels like he’s trying to call my feelings fake which is both scummy and kinda shitty personally

I get wrongly accused of that all the time and yeah it definitely sucks but I don’t see why that makes him scum?

I brought up how he faced me bearing down on him as town before and I think he’s incentivized to call my feelings into question early so if I do push him with that same bulldozer-level force he can have an established reason why I shouldn’t be listened to on him
Also, his way of saying it bothers me, it’s like, “why are you so mad, there’s nothing to be mad about, you’re crazy dude”

i never said this?? aye yo what?>??

what game u playing xD

PLS QUOTE!

[GrandpaMo]

grandpamo do i know u and if so why haven't u said hi

oh ur a hydra kek

i only know pooky then lol

hi pooky!

[GrandpaMo]

also @titus this reminds me, a perfect game to could have been hydra :/

[GrandpaMo]

VOTE: grandpmamo
his response to my frustration really just sucks, it feels like he’s trying to call my feelings fake which is both scummy and kinda shitty personally

I get wrongly accused of that all the time and yeah it definitely sucks but I don’t see why that makes him scum?

I brought up how he faced me bearing down on him as town before and I think he’s incentivized to call my feelings into question early so if I do push him with that same bulldozer-level force he can have an established reason why I shouldn’t be listened to on him
Also, his way of saying it bothers me, it’s like, “why are you so mad, there’s nothing to be mad about, you’re crazy dude”

i never said this?? aye yo what?>??

what game u playing xD

PLS QUOTE!

VOTE: grandpmamo
his response to my frustration really just sucks, it feels like he’s trying to call my feelings fake which is both scummy and kinda shitty personally

I get wrongly accused of that all the time and yeah it definitely sucks but I don’t see why that makes him scum?

that was my same thinking as well --

im like it's so out of the blue. they went on like 5 different wagons -- and just sees me for pushing them? when i was in fact defending them earlier?

it doesn't make sense to me.

and supposedly im making them mad lol

Well add another tick mark to people who’s defenses of me give me the creeps then
And I’m not exactly mad at you rn, I’m just bothered and confused by your actions around me.

listen gamma, u literally voted me because i made you frusrated idk if that like level 1 basic town play or what or ur ate going off. or u even trying to fake it or defelct off ur self by going on the most atttentive person at the time but whatever is you need to explain.

you give half ass explanation and expect me to know what you are saying. you are acting like i am and i understand your frustration previously hence why i defended u against cheeky and said ive played with you and ive seen you do this.

it just doesn't make sense to me know when you're pulling stuff out of your ass to make me look bad.

you're either just doing this on purpose to put pressure on to me as scum or you're just confused your self and don't have anywhere to go as town.

i need you to respond to this post with a dillegent manner explaining to me what I am doing that made you frustrated. because i geninuly want to know and this might be allignment indicitive. thats really the only reason im tagging to this thread -- i've seen you do this shit as scum before and im not letting you get away with it lol.

you're a very hard null right now and the best way for me to solve you is for you to give a full explanation. like i said previously i understood your defense, cheeky didn't. i didn't understand your nature of aggression, i just had an idea and said i was going to look at it more later on, then you get mad at me.

can you just explain now ? pls? thanks

[GrandpaMo]

well not mad but ur confusion** when im the one that has the PRIVEALGE to be confused. period

[GrandpaMo]

Grandpa elaborate on your Gamma townread?

when the hell did i say i townread them???

did u like not read my post kek

[GrandpaMo]

you're a very hard null right now and the best way for me to solve you is for you to give a full explanation.

^

[GrandpaMo]

Also what’s this about “if Gamma towntells” because there was a point where you seemed pretty okay with me post-Toog’s going boom? Did I misread your intention?

Your posting continues to ping me hard but every now and then you post something that makes me unsure. So rn, I’m leaning to voting you but if I see you towntell, I think I’ll know it.

What I think it is is I’m torn between not sr your tone and hating your reasons for your votes. And that would also include Dats. I’ve seen you have really horrible reasoning for your votes as town but I don’t like any of them so far. And you having bad reasons for pretty much every single vote makes me have real trouble believing you’re town. As town, your reasoning is usually much better and none of your votes have been anyone on your wagon so far, except for Diemos and you only voted him under pressure from jjh.

Why are you vote hopping all over the place? It reads to me like an anyone but me type of vote. I don’t necessarily sr you for that but it reads survivalistic af irrespective of alignment.

Yes true you didn’t vote Ircher or Galron but then you sr people defending you but not sheeping you on Loft? If I’m in a game with let’s say town!Noraa and hard defend her but don’t necessarily sheep her, why would that make me scum?

I don’t understand your reasoning for pretty much anything in this game.

LMFAO SEE NORA IS FUCKING THE SAME PERSON AS ME

we need to be hydras for the one time

[GrandpaMo]

you're a very hard null right now and the best way for me to solve you is for you to give a full explanation.

???? You just said you were defending me earlier? Why are you defending a null read?

because it was meta. cheeky didnt know how you played - i explained to them..??

what question is that. ur expierenced, u should know defending someone isn't that bad lol

[GrandpaMo]

well not mad but ur confusion** when im the one that has the PRIVEALGE to be confused. period

Fuck off about this, there’s no rule that we can’t both be confused about each other and this sort of mindset feels like a very toxic one

LOL that was like lowkey /hj


but listen, i was confused. and you are too lol. i wanted you to get ur thoughts.

just please relax.

step back and look at the bigger picture why are u acting weird rn...


u are acting way diff then how we played before and its such a weird feeling

[GrandpaMo]

wait a damn min...

pls tell me ur not doing this same shit u do to me...


where u faked ur whole act because u were defeated...

[GrandpaMo]

you're a very hard null right now and the best way for me to solve you is for you to give a full explanation.

???? You just said you were defending me earlier? Why are you defending a null read?

because it was meta. cheeky didnt know how you played - i explained to them..??

what question is that. ur expierenced, u should know defending someone isn't that bad lol

lmaoooooo
Cheeky has more exp with me then you do, like pls

then why don't they understand you???

like they literally asked meta of you. please.

[GrandpaMo]

Analysis that's put me right back to being super suspicious of you
Did Pooky tell you he wants to pocket me again in your scum PT

and thats my plan.

pooky is only talking about how he is trying to get me a date with sakura in our discord

LOL i love how there are these side convos while me and gamma are just going at it.

makes the environment foody ;-0

[GrandpaMo]

Oh shit. T/S alarm with Gamma/grandpa. Mmm. Fuck.

.

not quite.

gamma done this before as town and that's what's hurting my thought process.

and ik im town

[GrandpaMo]

Oh shit. T/S alarm with Gamma/grandpa. Mmm. Fuck.

.

enlighten me. it looks boring and nothing to do with game.

i agree. im starting to get bored of getting back and forth. gamma's allignment gets solved later after possible galron

wait...


what is ur thooughts on galron @gamma

[GrandpaMo]

I think my voting might be the biggest thing to read me on, I’ve kinda been playing like I used to way back when I started where I make wild and frequent votes trying to throw my weight around.

Another thing I wish you wouldn’t do unless you can find quotes to back it up is continue to respond to my questions with self-meta. Ftr, I don’t have any problem with self-meta obviously or I’d be a hypocrite but you’re invoking self-meta in lieu of actually answer my question here.

See, the main problem with this is, why couldn’t scum!you be replicating old town meta? If it’s recent town meta, it’s possibly valuable but my meta has drastically changed since I first started playing in 2017 and my very earliest townplay probably more closely resembles some of my scumgames because when I first started playing, I was either constantly being wagoned or miselimbait and after one game where I made an extremely unpopular hardtunnel and got miselimed and couldn’t convince anyone I was town, I became mainly focused with surviving rather than solving, so obviously that’s changed considerably but I can still sometimes fall into those old patterns which I did in my only newbie game on this sire but it’s still extremely rare though.

See that's the problem, I feel like you gave yourself confirmation bias. Idk if it was you or cheeky that asked for meta but I believe cheeky asked for meta from gamma and therefore gamma just responded with it >>> that led to gamma always refering to meta because they have a concious thought of "oh they will believe I am town if I post meta"

They did to me when they were town. I pressured them for doing the same thing -- and they gave up and decided to say "fine, you're right, I was doing blah blah on purpose" They became defeated within themselves, because they proposed a intentful strategy that never worked out because I figured it out. I forgot what they were doing exactly but that's irrelevant all I know it seems the same situation. The only reason it's weird its because they keep flip flopping, they haven't stayed on a train one bit. They are acting weird with all this pressure on them.

And response to taly, the only reason I am having a hard time is because they could be manipulating the shit out of me right now. This whole thing could be an act of an act. Gamma knows this. Gamma knows they are playing similar but there response to me is making me not like them more and more. They just result themself more confused and don't actually sit down and analyze what they are doing right now. That is why I am not 100 percent on them being town and why they are a null read.


pedit: gamma's recent post right there where they said "Also, why would I deliberately replicate old town meta as scum?" is sorta what I am talking about -- this is a very hard reasoning to take oh is this all fucking wifom or just regular gamma

[GrandpaMo]

Also what’s this about “if Gamma towntells” because there was a point where you seemed pretty okay with me post-Toog’s going boom? Did I misread your intention?

Your posting continues to ping me hard but every now and then you post something that makes me unsure. So rn, I’m leaning to voting you but if I see you towntell, I think I’ll know it.

What I think it is is I’m torn between not sr your tone and hating your reasons for your votes. And that would also include Dats. I’ve seen you have really horrible reasoning for your votes as town but I don’t like any of them so far. And you having bad reasons for pretty much every single vote makes me have real trouble believing you’re town. As town, your reasoning is usually much better and none of your votes have been anyone on your wagon so far, except for Diemos and you only voted him under pressure from jjh.

Why are you vote hopping all over the place? It reads to me like an anyone but me type of vote. I don’t necessarily sr you for that but it reads survivalistic af irrespective of alignment.

Yes true you didn’t vote Ircher or Galron but then you sr people defending you but not sheeping you on Loft? If I’m in a game with let’s say town!Noraa and hard defend her but don’t necessarily sheep her, why would that make me scum?

I don’t understand your reasoning for pretty much anything in this game.

LMFAO SEE NORA IS FUCKING THE SAME PERSON AS ME

we need to be hydras for the one time

Sure do you have discord? I really prefer my hydra partners to have discord.

I know you’re trolling me because I’ve hydra’d with Noraa twice now.

im so sorry

i always get u and nora mixed up LOL

idk why but yes i do ill add u

[GrandpaMo]

i have gotten so much better at projecting myself as town as town.

i personally feel like I have improved a lot as a strong town player -- I feel more comfortable in pushing people and pressuring people's thoughts.

it's kinda a good feeling imo -- i just wanted to let everyone know because most of these people in this playerlist know me and know how bad i probably used to be but just honestly, im happy rn lol

[GrandpaMo]

Why are you vote hopping all over the place? It reads to me like an anyone but me type of vote. I don’t necessarily sr you for that but it reads survivalistic af irrespective of alignment.

It kinda is an anybody but me, I call it Sandra style
But I also have been trying to push my own ideas as well as seen with me voting Queen and Loftwing. And also, it’s kinda hard to push anything when it feels like either you or Cheeky are always there to get in my way. Y’all said it was like House+Yume hydra but tbh it’s starting to feel deliberate, especially with how you’ve constantly been looking at me in comparison to another slot (me and Datisi, me and Ircher, me and GLB, me and Galron)

RELAX OMG no one is there to get you!!!

please relaxation please!!!

[GrandpaMo]

gamma might be town and that makes me a sad panda

*steals teddy bear*

[GrandpaMo]

Don’t tell me how to feel!

im not doing that -

im just tryna help u bro



u seem like a very depressed town person

or ate af scum

[GrandpaMo]

ok i think im ready to vote.

VOTE: Galron

unless galron comes back nd has a good reaction to my post, this is my vote for now

[GrandpaMo]

Don’t tell me how to feel!

im not doing that -

im just tryna help u bro



u seem like a very depressed town person

or ate af scum

Telling me to relax doesn’t help tho

k sorry

my jokes are bad

TRANQUIL TRANQUIL

[GrandpaMo]

well ur scum because lost birds are scum.
i am openning scum taly doors.

fite me

Spoiler:

her voice is annoying lol

[GrandpaMo]

Don’t tell me how to feel!

im not doing that -

im just tryna help u bro



u seem like a very depressed town person

or ate af scum

Yeah no. I'm not cool with you saying you're trying to help Gamma and yet repeatedly hedge on his alignment twhen you've shown no intention of reading him conclusively the last few pages.

why are you misrepressenting the context..?

this all started because of gamma's unwillingness to explain to me or cheeky what their confusion was. i became more confused and more frustrated with gamma because they just had a difficult stance. i want to help gamma in getting their thoughts together because it helps ME to solve their allignment, they haven't been able to so -- so no reason to dwell on a slot that will eventually get solved later. galron looks worse atm.

[GrandpaMo]

Yeah no I'm reading Mo's posts as town tbh
I have to go through the chains of reasoning really slowly to even barely comprehend them but the main point is that they're blurted out at such a fast pace and consistent convoluted density that I couldn't imagine being able to fake it as scum.
Can someone walk me through why the hedging on gamma is scum-ai

am i rlly that uncomprehendable? lol


and no one is saying that lol

[GrandpaMo]

someone please come help. pooky is bullying me

*steals 2nd teddy bear*

do u want food, i have a variety of selection for u

[GrandpaMo]

I mean this could also be attributable to me struggling to follow the conversation in general because I've let it get to almost 4am again

mafiascum is a website full of people who don't sleep till 4 am drinking energy drinks, smoking rubbish, and playing a good ole' game of mafia

[GrandpaMo]

Yeah no I'm reading Mo's posts as town tbh
I have to go through the chains of reasoning really slowly to even barely comprehend them but the main point is that they're blurted out at such a fast pace and consistent convoluted density that I couldn't imagine being able to fake it as scum.
Can someone walk me through why the hedging on gamma is scum-ai

am i rlly that uncomprehendable? lol


and no one is saying that lol

I found you v hard to parse in 2234 which fueled my frustration w you

but u literally-

nvm NVM lol

[GrandpaMo]

idiosyncratic

i hope this can be used a compliment.

i use to be worst.

i have gotten better though and many people now know like my scum meta annd town meta lol and see the way i fucking type is weird af LOL

but im so willing to help break down sum for u if u dont understand it -- like i always say in every game LOL, i don't like when im taking out of context regardless of allignment

[GrandpaMo]

Your framing of the situation and how you respond to Gamma's posts don't seem seem align to me.

If I wanted to figure out someone's confusions by unwillingness to explain, my thought process wouldn't be "I'm trying to help you" it would be more "what am I figuring out here.."

Like the focus that you're posting is in good faith doesn't align or seem congruent with "you're either very depressed townie or AtE ing scum" because you imply very clearly that Gamma has a scum motive and yet you leave it for interpretation.

Are you trying to read Gamma through other players? I don't follow you here.

Yeah no I'm reading Mo's posts as town tbh
I have to go through the chains of reasoning really slowly to even barely comprehend them but the main point is that they're blurted out at such a fast pace and consistent convoluted density that I couldn't imagine being able to fake it as scum.
Can someone walk me through why the hedging on gamma is scum-ai

am i rlly that uncomprehendable? lol


and no one is saying that lol

Did I say you were incomprehensible?

And why does everybody's input have to way in on how I perceive you?

I don't like the way you're talking to me.

1st -The only reason you don't follow me here is because I was talking to gamma from a stance of meta. They know I usually act like this and I know that they act like this so I had to approach them in a way where they would understand. This isn't anything new.

2nd - Gamma does have a scum motive. And gamma also have a town motive. They explained it. They literally admitted to my post saying that I was doing those both things however I am just town in both scenerios but in my mind -- I don't have that potrayed as both town mindsets but one town and one scum mindset.

That's why I am always potraying Gamma here as null. I pressured them to give me their explanation. I explained this already. And sorta I am tryna read them through other players -- cheeky was helping me with that but the main thing was me pressuring them until they give something. I don't know how to feel about the reaction or post discussion but all I can say right there that I still don't have a defeintie answer so instead of fighting with them to get a solid answer, I want to move onto another slot that I pinged out possible scum earlier, galron. My main idea was that I wasn't approaching Gamma as a scumpush rather defending gamma from cheeky's confusion -- helping cheeky to understand gamma's defense then proceed to understand Gamma's aggression. Then proceed to understand gamma's vote on me in which spakred this whole thing because they were "frustrated" I becamew frustrated with gamma because they have done half ass explanations to everything beforehand tlaking to me hence why I was confused on what the utter motive for voting me was. They had no motive. They admitted it was just a random hop of train in a post or whatever its called. I relate to a meta game with gamma which further explains my thought process on why they could be town but ultimaly they STILL had a scum motive. do u not understand this?

3rd - That post wasn't to you?

[GrandpaMo]

I feel like I am repeating everything I have said -- I already this like two times. You may just have not understood it, which would make sense.

[GrandpaMo]

1st -The only reason you don't follow me here is because I was talking to gamma from a stance of meta. They know I usually act like this and I know that they act like this so I had to approach them in a way where they would understand. This isn't anything new.

I don’t know that this is the norm for you, I’ve played w you only once

I might be then biased -- representative heuristic?

[GrandpaMo]

Idk what representative heuristic is but okay
And sure I’ll throw my log into the fire on this one
VOTE: Victorine

It's where I make an assumption about the general population (in this case you) after one incident occurring.

[GrandpaMo]

-I have almost no respect for Yume's play even when she isn't doing literally nothing, so even if she's town we don't lose much
-Town!Yume is never getting shot by scum ever, so she will endgame as either alignment if we do not elim or vig her.

I wonder how loft will read this.

Can you read this..? @loft


Because it sounds like you have conflicting views I believe.

[GrandpaMo]

-I have almost no respect for Yume's play even when she isn't doing literally nothing, so even if she's town we don't lose much
-Town!Yume is never getting shot by scum ever, so she will endgame as either alignment if we do not elim or vig her.

I wonder how loft will read this.

Can you read this..? @loft


Because it sounds like you have conflicting views I believe.

Full disclosure, I do also have a magical power when it comes to Yume- Yume is incapable of killing me in any upick, and whenever she attempts it, the situation will be made worse for her. I think there's 3 games? Maybe 4 if you count the one where I made her set her hydra on fire

no no this is to loft's point because rthey poiinted to me for going against a player who has eben low activity and won't hurt town reagrdless of allignment

im just curious how loft will say to u

[GrandpaMo]

-I have almost no respect for Yume's play even when she isn't doing literally nothing, so even if she's town we don't lose much
-Town!Yume is never getting shot by scum ever, so she will endgame as either alignment if we do not elim or vig her.

I wonder how loft will read this.

Can you read this..? @loft


Because it sounds like you have conflicting views I believe.

What the fuck did I just read.

look recent post - how do u read this luft

[GrandpaMo]

I have no idea what either of you are saying.

omg

look at jj post they are reading some what vic as not contributing to the game right and they see that as scum ok?

you got on me about pushing a low posting person vs someone who is scummy now and high content.

so what do u feel about jj's push on vic regarding the stance thatthey earlier regarding them not posting as lot and regardles of allignment they aren't helpful to town sum like that

[GrandpaMo]

On the other hand, this reaction does register as scummy.

eh

i wouldnt call it a reaction but more like an explanation to why i was scumleaning galron

i disliked galron's posts and just explained it

[GrandpaMo]

I have no idea what either of you are saying.

omg

look at jj post they are reading some what vic as not contributing to the game right and they see that as scum ok?

you got on me about pushing a low posting person vs someone who is scummy now and high content.

so what do u feel about jj's push on vic regarding the stance thatthey earlier regarding them not posting as lot and regardles of allignment they aren't helpful to town sum like that

The main difference is that it seemed like you wanted to indiscriminately kill lowposters rather than scummy players, while they are scumreading a lowposter.

do you have tmi?

[GrandpaMo]

I have no idea what either of you are saying.

omg

look at jj post they are reading some what vic as not contributing to the game right and they see that as scum ok?

you got on me about pushing a low posting person vs someone who is scummy now and high content.

so what do u feel about jj's push on vic regarding the stance thatthey earlier regarding them not posting as lot and regardles of allignment they aren't helpful to town sum like that

Galron never indicated that they refuse to become more readable, do you not see the difference? Victorine’s alignment is unreadable due to what she claims is a post restriction, which she claims is permanent.

i dont beleieve i was talking bout galron past there... nd nah i dont because loft was having the same, literally the same argument

[GrandpaMo]

Even if it’s a joke it (as in, the post) still deserves death I think
Compare how he’s acting here to how he acted in this game, then try and tell me don’t understand why I’m being very critical of what Loft is doing.

Gamma I just think killing loft who is a claimed miller and low content slot, just doesn't help us much at this stage. If they keep it up in coming phases sure. Toog could've sorted them for us but c'est la vie.
~C

eh not rlly -- there is 17 ppl .


i rather get rid of the low content ppl and ppl who just troll around rather than get distracted with possible openwolf and warlocking

So you're saying that we should kill players who we aren't sure either way are town or scum because of their low content output, rather than extremely scummy players who output a lot of content?

So you're saying that we should kill players who we aren't sure either way are town or scum because of their low content output, rather than extremely scummy players who output a lot of content?

no

i just disagree with what cheeky said lol


im not saying we shouldnt ignore those scummy players but we also shouldnt ignore thsoe ppl i pointed out

this was the original interaction.

this argument this obviously be a fallacy because they already assumed that those players are scummy. scumminess is a subjectivness matter, that is why im askingloft if they have tmi lol because this is the 2nd time they have pointed it out like if they knew that player was scum

[GrandpaMo]

this argument is obviously to be*

[GrandpaMo]

ig the word "scummy" changes the context because scummy is more of subjective matter but they put in a way where im forced to say hey they are scum.

[GrandpaMo]

based on loft's opinion^

[GrandpaMo]

Even if it’s a joke it (as in, the post) still deserves death I think
Compare how he’s acting here to how he acted in this game, then try and tell me don’t understand why I’m being very critical of what Loft is doing.

Gamma I just think killing loft who is a claimed miller and low content slot, just doesn't help us much at this stage. If they keep it up in coming phases sure. Toog could've sorted them for us but c'est la vie.
~C

eh not rlly -- there is 17 ppl .


i rather get rid of the low content ppl and ppl who just troll around rather than get distracted with possible openwolf and warlocking

So you're saying that we should kill players who we aren't sure either way are town or scum because of their low content output, rather than extremely scummy players who output a lot of content?

So you're saying that we should kill players who we aren't sure either way are town or scum because of their low content output, rather than extremely scummy players who output a lot of content?

no

i just disagree with what cheeky said lol


im not saying we shouldnt ignore those scummy players but we also shouldnt ignore thsoe ppl i pointed out

this was the original interaction.

this argument this obviously be a fallacy because they already assumed that those players are scummy. scumminess is a subjectivness matter, that is why im askingloft if they have tmi lol because this is the 2nd time they have pointed it out like if they knew that player was scum

@cheeky i explain it here

[GrandpaMo]

I have no idea what either of you are saying.

omg

look at jj post they are reading some what vic as not contributing to the game right and they see that as scum ok?

you got on me about pushing a low posting person vs someone who is scummy now and high content.

so what do u feel about jj's push on vic regarding the stance thatthey earlier regarding them not posting as lot and regardles of allignment they aren't helpful to town sum like that

Galron never indicated that they refuse to become more readable, do you not see the difference? Victorine’s alignment is unreadable due to what she claims is a post restriction, which she claims is permanent.

i dont beleieve i was talking bout galron past there... nd nah i dont because loft was having the same, literally the same argument

Who were you talking about then?

Even if it’s a joke it (as in, the post) still deserves death I think
Compare how he’s acting here to how he acted in this game, then try and tell me don’t understand why I’m being very critical of what Loft is doing.

Gamma I just think killing loft who is a claimed miller and low content slot, just doesn't help us much at this stage. If they keep it up in coming phases sure. Toog could've sorted them for us but c'est la vie.
~C

eh not rlly -- there is 17 ppl .


i rather get rid of the low content ppl and ppl who just troll around rather than get distracted with possible openwolf and warlocking

So you're saying that we should kill players who we aren't sure either way are town or scum because of their low content output, rather than extremely scummy players who output a lot of content?

So you're saying that we should kill players who we aren't sure either way are town or scum because of their low content output, rather than extremely scummy players who output a lot of content?

no

i just disagree with what cheeky said lol


im not saying we shouldnt ignore those scummy players but we also shouldnt ignore thsoe ppl i pointed out

this was the original interaction.

this argument this obviously be a fallacy because they already assumed that those players are scummy. scumminess is a subjectivness matter, that is why im askingloft if they have tmi lol because this is the 2nd time they have pointed it out like if they knew that player was scum

i already talked bout it. look -- i was talking in general terms

[GrandpaMo]

Spoiler:

Even if it’s a joke it (as in, the post) still deserves death I think
Compare how he’s acting here to how he acted in this game, then try and tell me don’t understand why I’m being very critical of what Loft is doing.

Gamma I just think killing loft who is a claimed miller and low content slot, just doesn't help us much at this stage. If they keep it up in coming phases sure. Toog could've sorted them for us but c'est la vie.
~C

eh not rlly -- there is 17 ppl .


i rather get rid of the low content ppl and ppl who just troll around rather than get distracted with possible openwolf and warlocking

So you're saying that we should kill players who we aren't sure either way are town or scum because of their low content output, rather than extremely scummy players who output a lot of content?

So you're saying that we should kill players who we aren't sure either way are town or scum because of their low content output, rather than extremely scummy players who output a lot of content?

no

i just disagree with what cheeky said lol
im not saying we shouldnt ignore those scummy players but we also shouldnt ignore thsoe ppl i pointed out

this was the original interaction.

this argument this obviously be a fallacy because they already assumed that those players are scummy. scumminess is a subjectivness matter, that is why im askingloft if they have tmi lol because this is the 2nd time they have pointed it out like if they knew that player was scum

No?

The question I posed to you asked whether we should kill scummy players or low content players. One group (scummy players) will, at the very least, advance the game when killed while the other group (low content players) won't. In addition, unless you have scumread a low content player, then you have no grounding for whether they are scum or town.

but that comes from the idea on who u think is scummy. that person won't look scum to everyone unless they are a usr

[GrandpaMo]

im confused with ratman's progression here... they agree with me against galron but proceede to attack me based on a previous quote in which was already settled here

So you're saying that we should kill players who we aren't sure either way are town or scum because of their low content output, rather than extremely scummy players who output a lot of content?

no

i just disagree with what cheeky said lol


im not saying we shouldnt ignore those scummy players but we also shouldnt ignore thsoe ppl i pointed out

which explains my thought process on that pervious quote.

but now is going after gamma after saying cw's opinion on gamma is sus?

it seems like ur all over the place rn -- unless you are saying cw + gamma are s/s

[GrandpaMo]

also where did this ircher push come from?

can anyone explain to me

[GrandpaMo]

Here's the thing about the post restriction.
We've seen some posts from Victorine that don't appear post restricted at all.
We've seen some posts with apparent restrictions that immediately vanish and different ones appear thereafter.
Either there really exists some general post restriction that encompasses all the variety in posts we've seen from Victorine (press x to doubt) or RC is like actively changing Victorine's post restrictions (which would be an insane amount of work, so... press x to doubt)

But would scum faking a post restriction make it look so chaotic as to be unbelievable?

filler post -- all wifom talk

[GrandpaMo]

FTR ratmans scumreads are
"The hydra talk too much, one must be scum"
"I suss CWs read of gamma" and votes there when gamma happens to be the biggest wagon, after pushing grandpamo...
*3d chess helmet breaks*
Dammit.
~C

oh we said the same thing LOL

+townping (similar thought process)

[GrandpaMo]

warlocking

lol i use to play on mafia.gg

[GrandpaMo]

That’s a term used like exclusively by 1 player who hasn’t been playing like anywhere for a while iirc

u talking bout shellyc?

shelly came from the mafia.gg community as well -- we use to play mafia.gg hybrid closed games and warlocking is a term there we used sometimes

[GrandpaMo]

We could kill ratman instead you know. If we don't want to kill Gamma that is.

galron looks worse lol

[GrandpaMo]

Why are you voting me Grandpa?

like this is such a weird post to come back and return to ?

they come say this and never talk ever again.

like the question itself is a not even a good question -- like?

im obviously voting you for a specific reason??

[GrandpaMo]

No, Flavor Leaf
Also idgaf about shellyc, and I don’t associate with any site made as a MS competitor by someone who got banned from MS,

sorry not sorry

LOL

okay okay

[GrandpaMo]

that's mafia.gg.... that's not the [redacted]'s site ...

[GrandpaMo]

Spoiler:

I am not going to read 80 pages after coming in late. Likely will just vote the biggest wagon.

Anyone else who came in late, would like to hear your thoughts.

Looking at the activity overview, read Clemency's ISO, there's less there than from anyone who started on time.

What's up Clemency?

I don't think this progression is as bad as some have said.
In fact I don't see anything wrong with it at all.

i can explain to u it if u really want me to again in simpler terms since im the one who brought it up fr

[GrandpaMo]

also where did this ircher push come from?

can anyone explain to me

CW, the only reason you've presented for voting Ircher is a behavioural tell that you don't want to out, right?
How confident are you about the read?
If you won't out it I can't really sheep it unless you claim to be super super confident so I can hold you accountable on a greenflip.

is the explaantion

[GrandpaMo]

We could kill ratman instead you know. If we don't want to kill Gamma that is.

Ircher talk to me about the ratman read at some point

i think ircher has the same thought process about ratman (im speaking for them )

its basically what me and CW posted 2546 and 2566

[GrandpaMo]

I'm gonna sleep on Ircher
Mo if you do your Galron explanation I'll read it tomorrow

ig i can just do a full scumcase but its literally basically just iso them --low content (asking questions but never following etc etc )


first -- they come in the conversation ignoring all the comotion and just posts filler content in 2044 by asking gamma what movie they watching

the main point is that

more specifically on that progression galron comes in saying they wont read 80 pages and will sheep the biggest wagon.

but then literally contradicts his own thought process by saying anyone else who came in late "would like to hear your thoughts". why would you literally just state that you were late and weren't gonna read but then expect other people to read lol.

then literally goes to a random ass person clemency and just says whats up because they are "low activity" when they themselves are same + worse


again asking questions never following up and votes ircher after sheeping titus i believe in 2137


then this post 2500 where u agreed with me. like its a stupid question -- i already answered this and its not even the fact that they asked that specific question its more like they just hop in to the convo and focus on me then leave lol

thats rlly it -- i just tried to make it more understandable vs what i wrote last time

[GrandpaMo]

Something like Ircher/Vic/Gypyx/Titus/NK15
I’m serious about that last one btw.

thats such a bad solve lol like what

[GrandpaMo]

Something like Ircher/Vic/Gypyx/Titus/NK15
I’m serious about that last one btw.

thats such a bad solve lol like what

Explain

Please reply.

im bout to leave so ill keep this short.

ircher / vic / titus is maybne a good read.

the solve of trhem all on a team? tho..?

ircher + vic? no way, there partner interactions thru other ppl make them not alligned in a way

also the nk and gpyyx read is very random so im just assuming its a gut read placed into a gut solve.

these feel like individual reads together mashed up -- not accounting for a good solve thru interactions etc

[GrandpaMo]

GMO

feels like a nice flip.

fr why

[GrandpaMo]

i wont come bac till like 10-11 pm est so u betta make the scumcase good

[GrandpaMo]

or ill give u my food to eat

[GrandpaMo]

to answer your question, i am down for a wagon on gmo

2603 on particular is a post i really dislike, mainly the "wow look this person made a contradiction! only scum makes a contradiction like this one!" when the contradiction itself is like... lol? i don't think it's a genuine thought process to say that someone saying they'll sheep the biggest wagon then actually asking someone about what is happening in the game is scum!indicative

u literally agreed with me when i first brought up the explanation.

why are you changing now? the standard of the whole premise is still there on why they are scum -- i explained. it is scum indicitive of them to usually do that -- especially posting in a progression that contradicts your own thought process. that isn't what galron said. have u seen them? no. because they disapper, they litearlly ask all these questions and specifically when they ask oh what is everyone thoughts then disapper then come back just to question me xD if u dont see how that's scummy.

then please feel free to iso galron.

[GrandpaMo]

haha, I'm not feeling scumcases in this current meta. Plus, I've got more questions than assertions about you. Otherwise, my vote would've accompanied my statement.

Something like Ircher/Vic/Gypyx/Titus/NK15
I’m serious about that last one btw.

thats such a bad solve lol like what

Explain

Please reply.

im bout to leave so ill keep this short.

ircher / vic / titus is maybne a good read.

the solve of trhem all on a team? tho..?

ircher + vic? no way, there partner interactions thru other ppl make them not alligned in a way

also the nk and gpyyx read is very random so im just assuming its a gut read placed into a gut solve.

these feel like individual reads together mashed up -- not accounting for a good solve thru interactions etc

1)

Your first point is just suggesting that

Ircher/Vic/Titus

suspicion might be justified but you don't elaborate why or why

Gamma

should pursue any of them.

2)

And if you say the suspicion is justified, why state that they're never a team? What do you expect from a D1 solve?

3)

I really want to hear about the specifics of

Ircher/Vic

not being aligned via partner interactions... through other people? I'm not sure how you came to this conclusion D1.

4)

It may be a gut solve from

Gamma

, but it doesn't answer how you read

Gypyx/NK15

.

wait, is

NK15

even a player or an alt?

1. i literally said i had to leave so ill keep it short so i didnt expect to write explanations. it should have been obvious tho if u read the game. gamma had 1 to 1 interactions with those 3 listed and i seen gamma's pov on all of them.


also, its not about them having a d1 solve... shit i would have a solve too but its like i called it bad because it just didn't make sense imo because of said reason

that reason i explained was because of what i think of someone not being paired.

and it doesnt answer how i read because i never implied my answer to be a read list. gamma gave a solve -- i said that solve is bad and u asked why i gave u why.

and yes i said those 2 ppl are not alligned because of other people. you first had a wagon going on ircher, then everyone coming on to vic after someone scumpushes them for a bad iso -- then quickly switching back to ircher. ircher then says something (i forgot specifically) that would be basically go against the vic bw -- and im talking the majority of people who initially pushed ircher / and vic.

its like i understand its a d1 solve ofc. but its not what gamma has porpoitioned it to. it's random -- i dont expect you to be good or correct from my perspecitve, but i expect u to explain.

[GrandpaMo]

Can we slow down the rate of posting or make a choice?

can u play the game?

[GrandpaMo]

u literally agreed with me when i first brought up the explanation.

nah, i agreed when you nakedquoted those posts because they looked like classic lazy scum doing nothing. but your forcing of pointing out a meaningless contradiction sucked.

it is meaningful.

i dont digress. im fully 100 percent going into this reason. its a VERY valid reason.

and im suprised u dont see why its scummy fmpov.

im waiting on deimos's reply to the explanation.

[GrandpaMo]

Spoiler: Playerlist:
1) Good Luck Buddy
2) Victorine
3) Gamma Emerald
4) Datisi
5) Clemency
6) Galron
7) T3
8) Gypyx
9) Tamoras Angel
10) Jjh927
11) DkKoba
12) Ydrasse
13) Grandpa
14) Deimos27
15) Loftwing
16) Ratmans
17) Ircher
18) Taly
19) Togeloo
20) Cheeky Wings
21) Sakura Hana
22)

Not Known 15

23) Queen

but it is here, weird. Actually RC has actually done something like that before with Shoshin and I know he’s on top of his prodges, so maybe Ircher and SS are right about this?

why do u think i said gamma's solve is weird!!!

[GrandpaMo]

why do I pick fights only to lose them

What fight? I don’t think Mo is scum here, he is clearly solving.

do u think scum is in the back?

because thats what im thinking too atm

maj of the scum team.. .since its 5 ppl ... ima say like at least 3 ppl of the scum team is someone with 100 posts and less

[GrandpaMo]

GLB has around 395 posts and is one of the highest but yet i dont recall anything important about them in the game

might need to iso them later

[GrandpaMo]

also i think everyone with 100 posts or more or likely town rn (this is my draft readlist)

with the exception of ydrasse and dk because i have not heard anything about them either.

[GrandpaMo]

why do I pick fights only to lose them

if this was targeted to me... i kinda don't like this quote from you.

[GrandpaMo]

@Mo, I think NK15 definitely has some kind of post restriction unless RC goofed with that but he would have been prodded doin by now if it was fake, I think.

So yeah. NK15 would have at least posted something irrespective of alignment if he could.

i forgot this game is bastard so probasbly something like that is possibly true (someone can also see if they are online etc)

but arent there other ppl due to prod as well

[GrandpaMo]

why do I pick fights only to lose them

What fight? I don’t think Mo is scum here, he is clearly solving.

do u think scum is in the back?

because thats what im thinking too atm

maj of the scum team.. .since its 5 ppl ... ima say like at least 3 ppl of the scum team is someone with 100 posts and less

“In the back”? as in back of Gamma wagon or . . . ?

lurking scum

[GrandpaMo]

with the exception of ydrasse and dk because i have not heard anything about them either.

just a personal hunch of mine, but i think dk is town.

can u give me a reason?

[GrandpaMo]

Ircher flips scum, Galron doesn’t look like a buddy.

100 perecent agree.

also looked backed on koba's iso -- they look good ngl.

i like 264 and datisi might be biased because koba literally have them as the only townread to be explicitly said kek

[GrandpaMo]

I think GrandpaMo might be scum. He says that everyone over 100 posts is town and then immediately asks people to justify reads on high posters...

LMFAO

[GrandpaMo]

with the exception of ydrasse and dk because i have not heard anything about them either.

just a personal hunch of mine, but i think dk is town.

with the exception of ydrasse and dk because i have not heard anything about them either.

just a personal hunch of mine, but i think dk is town.

can u give me a reason?

lmfaooo

Mo are you trolling or something?

with the exception of ydrasse and dk because i have not heard anything about them either.

just a personal hunch of mine, but i think dk is town.

can u give me a reason?

1291 is pretty townie.

In an explosion of cosmic proportions, Toogeloo obliterates DkKoba!

DkKoba was

XrCyclone

.

Spoiler: Role PM

Welcome, DkKoba. You are XrCyclone, Obvious Cheater. You are a Helper-Requesting Cheater.

I claim random informed role that I have no way of knowing about!

Thought (Helper-Requesting): Each night you may target a player not in the game, inviting them to be able to discuss the game with you.
Cheater! (Cheater): You may discuss the game during days and nights with every player who accepted your invitation until the end of the game.

You win when the Mafia have been removed or nothing can prevent this from happening.

Toogeloo was

Gamma Ray Burst

.

Spoiler: Role PM

Welcome, Toogeloo. You are Gamma Ray Burst, Strongman Exploder

If you've seen one gamma-ray burst, you've seen one gamma-ray burst!

Supernova (Strongman Exploder): Once per game during the day you may target a player and explode both of you, targeting both of you with a strongman kill.

You win when the Mafia have been removed or nothing can prevent this from happening.

Ordinarily protocol is to reset the votecount, but I will not bother since no one is close to any lim thresholds.

@Mo

LOL

[GrandpaMo]

ok brb i gotta go to someones house

ill leave yall on a cliffhanger for now

[GrandpaMo]

ok back

[GrandpaMo]

so how is everyone doing on this fine evening

can we stop this filler shit?

like if ur gonna say that and disappear just to get prodded or talked about other players then come back again with a useless ass comment that never addresses anything bout the game.

sorry for being negative -- but its starting to get annoying first galron now you? like at least once u come back

do a wallpost at least where u give a realist , update us on ur state , update yourself on where u are, address claims, address posts, give ur thoughts and details.

[GrandpaMo]

why do I pick fights only to lose them

if this was targeted to me... i kinda don't like this quote from you.

It's related to you but it's a general trend I notice

I pressure someone with suspicion, I like their answer; and then I don't feel compelled to address their points because my goal has been accomplished.

And then I feeling I have an egg on my face for clawing at the slot in the first place hehe

you should start being more analytical. as an advice, come to the player with pros and cons and have a mentality on if they are scum, then they are scum for this. and If they are town, then they are town for this etc etc , that usually helps me when evaluating someone just not to contradict myself later

[GrandpaMo]

why do I pick fights only to lose them

if this was targeted to me... i kinda don't like this quote from you.

It's related to you but it's a general trend I notice

I pressure someone with suspicion, I like their answer; and then I don't feel compelled to address their points because my goal has been accomplished.

And then I feeling I have an egg on my face for clawing at the slot in the first place hehe

you should start being more analytical. as an advice, come to the player with pros and cons and have a mentality on if they are scum, then they are scum for this. and If they are town, then they are town for this etc etc , that usually helps me when evaluating someone just not to contradict myself later

the only reason I said I didn't like this quote is because u seem like u felt defeated which gamma did as well but ironically, I like ur response to this since u stated it was a general trend.

[GrandpaMo]

but then literally contradicts his own thought process by saying anyone else who came in late "would like to hear your thoughts". why would you literally just state that you were late and weren't gonna read but then expect other people to read lol.

then literally goes to a random ass person clemency and just says whats up because they are "low activity" when they themselves are same + worse

I'm sorry
But that's not a contradiction
You're accusing Galron

at worst

of being a hypocrite

Just because Galron chooses not to read doesn't suddenly make it an unrealistic assumption from his pov that other latecomers would read.

no .

listen --

ig yea it fits more better definition for being a hypocrite since I stated contradiction in ones thought process which is basically being a hypocrite.

but this still its something that looks scummy -- you don't just literally say that ur not gonna read the 80 pages and sheep the biggest wagon (think ur forgetting this context) then ask for other peoples read. its like he is just posting content to make themselves look like they are doing something when in fact they disappear right again.

so if galron comes back, will he apporaitione his reads to the responses of other peoples reads? or will he "vote the biggest wagon"

like do u understand? u have to look at in the full context

I think im understanding this because I make reads sometimes on other peoples reads as well (interactions )

[GrandpaMo]

am I rlly this blind... ?

like is the actions of galron okay..?

like how can anyone just view that and say oh that's normal

can I genuinely get others ppl thought on this because datisi and deimos already said it looks normal. I geninunly don't know anymore -- it rlly looks bad to me

[GrandpaMo]

Ok tell me if I'm getting this right Mo
You think that by asking for thoughts Galron is trying to get people to suggest scumreads, and that he is positioning himself strategically to vote either the biggest wagon or one of the scumreads, depending on which favours him more?

no not rlly

here ima try to make this more simple..

5 player game

person a: hi you are scum for x
person b: no you are. im town for x
person a: no you are not. you did x and x
...
person a + b: eventually vote player d (the biggest wagon)
...
person c: im going to ignore person a + b's conversation. ill vote player d.
person c: hey person e what is your thoughts on person a+b interaction?
...
...
...
person c is never found ever again.

[GrandpaMo]

galron is person c

[GrandpaMo]

so how is everyone doing on this fine evening

can we stop this filler shit?

like if ur gonna say that and disappear just to get prodded or talked about other players then come back again with a useless ass comment that never addresses anything bout the game.

sorry for being negative -- but its starting to get annoying first galron now you? like at least once u come back

do a wallpost at least where u give a realist , update us on ur state , update yourself on where u are, address claims, address posts, give ur thoughts and details.

@celmency since ur here

[GrandpaMo]

so how is everyone doing on this fine evening

can we stop this filler shit?

like if ur gonna say that and disappear just to get prodded or talked about other players then come back again with a useless ass comment that never addresses anything bout the game.

sorry for being negative -- but its starting to get annoying first galron now you? like at least once u come back

do a wallpost at least where u give a realist , update us on ur state , update yourself on where u are, address claims, address posts, give ur thoughts and details.

i mean
i'm not going to magically become able to play differently than i usually do

so u ask how everyones day every time u make a post?

[GrandpaMo]

if you're going to call me out dont be passive aggressive about it
i dont have a conventional playstyle because i'm no good at it but that doesn't mean my presence is useless

that's not my point. and I already said I don't mean to be negative. sorry if it comes out that way

[GrandpaMo]

Mo thinks Galron uber scummy
I think they're maybe one or two hair's breadths +scum
What say you

i dont think galron is UBER scummy. they are just the only person im looking at as possible 78% scum.

all other ppl in my mind I would have as scum lean but not as a full scumpush just like galron.

that other percent is me waiting for galron's response lol

[GrandpaMo]

Cool. I open up to a page about me. I guess that means I'm a wagon of some sort. I can't keep up with this pace, so if you're going to kill me go ahead. Just make it quick so I don't have to worry about a prod.

What am I supposed to be responding to anyway?

this is the worst response u can get !

and its frustrating because u don't know if the ate is fake or real

you literally asked me "why are you voting me mo" literally the last time you spoke.

and I answered why it was a dumb question.

now you say this????????? AGIAN?!???!?!!

[GrandpaMo]

I'm somewhat surprised you're even considering being confused or amazed over a player who got a game start PM 4 days after actual game start when there were already 70 pages or so. And now criticizing me for not wanting to read 10 or 20 new pages every time I log on? That seems unreasonable on your part.

WE LTERALLY GOT THE PM AT THE SAME TIME AND LOOK AT ME

NO EXCUSUEUSUES

[GrandpaMo]

I could make cases up, but that hardly seems like a villager thing to do. I think it's better to keep quiet until something pops out at me.

is this a Villy claim??

[GrandpaMo]

I'm somewhat surprised you're even considering being confused or amazed over a player who got a game start PM 4 days after actual game start when there were already 70 pages or so. And now criticizing me for not wanting to read 10 or 20 new pages every time I log on? That seems unreasonable on your part.

WE LTERALLY GOT THE PM AT THE SAME TIME AND LOOK AT ME

NO EXCUSUEUSUES

Some players don't like replacing into a game, and this was just pseudo replacing into the game

they didn't replace?

[GrandpaMo]

Oh Grandpa, I'm not going to apologize for having a life.

I have a life, and still do a minimal contribution. we aren't asking you to give us like a whole essay. just at least respond to me

here I can quote some stuff for you

look at post 2603 at least

[GrandpaMo]

There are like 5 questions in your ISO whose answers you never engage with and it sounds like it's because you don't even bother to look for them

I'm being transparent anyway. So that's working.

see I was going to question

if u being honest is being scum

but since u said this ... im having thoughts that it could just have been fake to make urself look better.

[GrandpaMo]

I could make cases up, but that hardly seems like a villager thing to do. I think it's better to keep quiet until something pops out at me.

is this a Villy claim??

What kind of question is this? If you're asking a rhetorical question, it's kinda dumb. But yes, I'm town.

Villager is sometimes associated with vanilla town, I assume that's the point

yea I meant it as villager = vt

[GrandpaMo]

ok lets get back on track.

the past 2 pages is kinda off topic -- and wasteful.

I have a lot to say.

[GrandpaMo]

I'm gonna sleep on Ircher
Mo if you do your Galron explanation I'll read it tomorrow

ig i can just do a full scumcase but its literally basically just iso them --low content (asking questions but never following etc etc )


first -- they come in the conversation ignoring all the comotion and just posts filler content in 2044 by asking gamma what movie they watching

the main point is that

more specifically on that progression galron comes in saying they wont read 80 pages and will sheep the biggest wagon.

but then literally contradicts his own thought process by saying anyone else who came in late "would like to hear your thoughts". why would you literally just state that you were late and weren't gonna read but then expect other people to read lol.

then literally goes to a random ass person clemency and just says whats up because they are "low activity" when they themselves are same + worse


again asking questions never following up and votes ircher after sheeping titus i believe in 2137


then this post 2500 where u agreed with me. like its a stupid question -- i already answered this and its not even the fact that they asked that specific question its more like they just hop in to the convo and focus on me then leave lol

thats rlly it -- i just tried to make it more understandable vs what i wrote last time

Don't know what the commotion was, but it struck me that I play with gamma quite a bit but don't know much about him other than he likes some video games I've never heard of, so I wanted to know which movie he was watching.

I picked Clemency because he had like 3 posts at the time and had started earlier than I had, so I thought I'd start somewhere.

I came in late, said I wasn't going to read 70 pages, and then I looked at the activity overview and picked one of the lower ISOs to read, and that was Clemency. <shrug>

I expected a worse answer. this sorta explains it as I put in the context.

[GrandpaMo]

LHF

not really. I just don't like people who don't contribute after looking like they will. for example, you.

you are the only one who I made a case out publicly.

[GrandpaMo]

the only reason I said I didn't like this quote is because u seem like u felt defeated which gamma did as well but ironically, I like ur response to this since u stated it was a general trend.

...so you don't like the feelings of defeat from me then? If you're saying taly acted similar to me but you like taly then that's the obvious conclusion? So why dance around it, and why are you only null on me despite that?

ur a now town lean fwiw.

its different. I believe I was scum that game that's why

[GrandpaMo]

Trying to think back to how that game where GMO, T3 and I were scum, and they ended up carrying me after I was zapped on Day 2 or something. I felt pretty bad, but I deserved to get killed. GMO and T3 just took over and power posted to victory. They both were talking out of their asses. GMO going after me feels similar to that game.

I didn't go after lhf that game fyi.

the only way I won was because I just kept putting wife situations into play -- that's usually my scum meta.

town just fell into my wifom shit and believed me

[GrandpaMo]

honestly. if I am really being honest....


I do not know how to read galron here lol.

as surprising it may be... their posts is just weird. they are just there. I didn't expect that response, and ig that's a good thing? the 78 percent dropped to more like now a 40 percent which is lower than me calling them possible scum.

I do agree with deimos they could be tests but its just no one is interacting with them besides me and deimos and its frustrating because like I can't tell the info other than that they give.

[GrandpaMo]

deimos wat is ur updated thoughts on galron

[GrandpaMo]

And seeing that T3 isn't hyper posting is probably +town for him.

eh that's nah Ive seen t3!scum do this

[GrandpaMo]

nai*

[GrandpaMo]

alos ur welcome for that game -- it was a good game. u did good too so thank u @galron

[GrandpaMo]

So I'm like nulltown on Galron now instead

stop copying me >:(

[GrandpaMo]

well me and firebringer and RCB got drunk yesterday night during our weekly civ5 game.

and RCB can't hold his liquor

and we asked him

yo what's up with that NK15 dude

and I kid you not this guy's face lights up like a pumpkin and he spews his drink all over his monitor

and he's telling us how he trolled NK15 with the trollest custom role ever

good times

I'm Assuming This Is A Joke Because If True You Should Have Been Replaced

Not A Good Joke It Is Nothing Like My Amazing Humor LMAO

Why is anyone falling for Pooky’s beyond obvious trolling?

Listen mod did a mod error.

It's not a joke. RC told them to hide it by telling them the story and have them think its a joke because something will happen in a later day that will reveal the premise of it.

It's all connecting to a theory -- and I know this because me and Pooky talk on a daily and they may or may not have slipped while us playing Jackbox party games on discord VC with 5 other people from MS

[GrandpaMo]

ratman's ISO is similar to jjh's, so I'm assuming that's just this game's theme. That's -scum jjh and just null.

i sorta like this read

i had similar thoughts on jjh earlier.

ratman seems bad as well as we talked earlier

[GrandpaMo]

Morning

Ni

omg hi can u talk

[GrandpaMo]

i skimmed this game right after i woke up, and i remember approximately nothing from it

is there anything important that happened

nah there was suum goood.

galron finally came back.

i want to hear ur thoughts on them and their response.

also celemency?

[GrandpaMo]

gramps has been modkilled boom roasted

ok i should actually do that vc

omg im so sorry wifi killed me

im doing horrible tho :/

[GrandpaMo]

Did you know I have 6 people on my friends list and you're one of them Cheeky

There is 1 more in the game as well

i have u added

[GrandpaMo]

i think 1/4 of this playerlist is post restricted to combat the big game. i expected more inclusion. this is very different then a big game i played earlier where there were so much shit happening at a fast pace.

its probably different becuase of said reason -- post restrictions

[GrandpaMo]

VOTE: Taly
TALY AND ME ARE HAVING A FITE TO THE DEATH.

BRING UR BEST WEAPON TO UR DEFENSE U FUCKING EVIL BIRD

I actually want to see this.

I know this is not a joke -- this seems like they want to potray it as a joke then catch taly red handed then boom make the read serious.

[GrandpaMo]

Cool. I open up to a page about me. I guess that means I'm a wagon of some sort. I can't keep up with this pace, so if you're going to kill me go ahead. Just make it quick so I don't have to worry about a prod.

What am I supposed to be responding to anyway?

Like, this should probably be NAI, but wouldnt scum him have buddies to help him get out of whatever hole he was in instead of just going "oh ok, just kill me then idc"

the same could go for vic. or anyone. its nai universally. but ur logic makes it seem galron is town not that the post is nai

[GrandpaMo]

I explained why I was voting Victorine last page
The obvious conclusion is that I have not achieved sufficient confidence on any SR to outweigh the value I perceive on pressuring Victorine slot
I am very seriously weighing Ircher rn though
Might have another look-see at Gamma too right after I finish a few more econ exercises

okay.

i think you are scum

VOTE: Diemos27

[GrandpaMo]

Ircher / Gamma is a good infovote ngl.

[GrandpaMo]

Okay interesting --

I got 2 ppl to come out and say their thoughts on Deimos.

UNVOTE:

anyways, I think I am ready to vote now.

After days of thinking -- Galron is no longer a good vote. Galron should be investigated or some type of shit that gets Galron's role out there.

Also

I still think that everyone that is over 100 posts should not be voted today... And I will include Ydrasse this time only for the fact that they haven't gotten enough content to spew so it wouldn't be fair.

Ircher / Clemency / Ratmans

Ircher is only there as really an info vote -- I heard talks about their scumcase being meta read that's why.

Also I am not opposed to Sakura Hana as well.

JJ is slowly getting to my town leans but still possible PoE depending on their updates

so basically Ircher / Celmency / Ratmans / Sakura / jjh

Is this a solve... ? Eh not really -- I really don't think that's the full team but I do think at least 1 scum is in that. Maybe 2 depending the development of Sakura and JJh's slots.

It also will change going into later days as we get info on those quiet people and those people who I already townread (the people with over 100 posts)

[GrandpaMo]

Thoughts on Vic and Titus.

Vic is just someone who won't give us info regardless of Allignment.

They flip scum == For all we know they never gave any info because of the eradtic posting

They flip town == We lose 1 town; still not info because we can see who started it? And make that town.. but what else is there is.. how people read Vic..?

I am also waiting for develoipment on this -- Vic's slot may change depending if they actually do something.

Titus == literally no content. I have seen titus in both stages. This is NAI for titus and I am expecting to hear from Titus very soon -- I don't like the disappearing shit as I said previously I get annoyed with it, however, titus done this before both town and scum so yea...

[GrandpaMo]

theres this weird ego thing people do in mafia games where they assume because they did X. the game state changed in reaction to them in this kind of conspiratorial way that only makes sense if u think ur voice holds alot more weight than it does.

Its interesting to see when it happens. Cause sometimes its true and other times its like 'what basis do u have on this'

I got 2 ppl to come out and say their thoughts on Deimos.

ive been pretty adamant on deimos town for awhile now.

what r u talking bout...?

[GrandpaMo]

we aren't eliminating people to get the most info. we are elminating people we think is scum.
the argument in games of yeeting people for info is such a tired argument.

which i am guilty of using to convince people bu honetly i only argue that when im scum lol

why do u think ircher isnt my main focus

[GrandpaMo]

Sakura is town because of roleclaim

they claimed... when?

[GrandpaMo]

what r u talking bout...?

sometimes i give random musings of what im reading.

You misunderstand.
I don't rely on meta from games I haven't played.

Only games that I have, combined with what I pick up here and there.

Frankly I don't think we actually have played together, so I don't have any meta on you. I judged you on play, and play alone.
Now granted.
I might use examples from games that I haven't played, if I lack the immediate resources of games that I have. (Meaning, I either can't find or am not allowed to link to my real source.)
But said examples are not the real source. They're just the only available source, the thing that gets as close as I can get to what I really mean.

I explicitly do not bus.

Apply this logic to who I have and have not pushed, see what conclusions you can form from it.

[GrandpaMo]

thank god i rolled town in this game, townily

this game would be more fun as scum tho

imagine the stress levels i'd be under trying to keep up with 132 pages of info as scum

wait waitia waiti ydrasse

that means u think scum is one of those not trying..? like low level activity ppl

[GrandpaMo]

what r u talking bout...?

sometimes i give random musings of what im reading.

You misunderstand.
I don't rely on meta from games I haven't played.

Only games that I have, combined with what I pick up here and there.

Frankly I don't think we actually have played together, so I don't have any meta on you. I judged you on play, and play alone.
Now granted.
I might use examples from games that I haven't played, if I lack the immediate resources of games that I have. (Meaning, I either can't find or am not allowed to link to my real source.)
But said examples are not the real source. They're just the only available source, the thing that gets as close as I can get to what I really mean.

I explicitly do not bus.

Apply this logic to who I have and have not pushed, see what conclusions you can form from it.

i think u misunderstand what i was responding to.
not all of my last few posts was talking to u.
the one thing i was saying was u keep talking about ircher being "best info yeet" is a distraction and shouldn't be used to argue anything.

i frankly don't even know ur stance on my slot.

It's tempting to lolhammer here.
Even though I just said I'd never join the wagon.
And someone else is going to just hammer Ircher literally five minutes from now anyway.
But eh. I suppose I'll leave it to that person.

[GrandpaMo]

i scumread diemos27 but townread deimos27

And?

If Deimos27 owns the failsafe, I get nuked in response.

The whole fucking town celebrates in response.

The problem with this is...what, exactly?

[GrandpaMo]

i scumread diemos27 but townread deimos27

And?

If Deimos27 owns the failsafe, I get nuked in response.

The whole fucking town celebrates in response.

The problem with this is...what, exactly?

r u like known for bad communication

Is spamposting part of trolling as town?
I mean, that's the impression that I get.
So I suppose it's at this point I can mention random facts about my life. Right now, I'm actually only online because I've written a song, and now I want to record it, but my damn mom won't stop doing things which create noise that would interfere with a proper recording. (Not to mention, serve as a distraction.) I really want to record that thing, too. Especially if I drew scum.
Which I didn't.

Part of trolling as town is complaining you didn't roll scum, right?

[GrandpaMo]

i scumread diemos27 but townread deimos27

And?

If Deimos27 owns the failsafe, I get nuked in response.

The whole fucking town celebrates in response.

The problem with this is...what, exactly?

r u like known for bad communication

At the very least they are known to me for that
Since approx. their first 10 posts

To be actually serious for a second: I actually was going to try a new scumhunting method for this game, but the method I had in mind only works with a singular scumteam. This game openly has a serial killer, and a serial killer would throw off my new technique. That wouldn't have been a problem if I had drawn serial killer--which I actually was kinda hoping for, been a long time since I've been third party and I was looking forward to the challenge--but since I didn't, it would. It also wouldn't have been a problem if I had drawn scum, obviously, but if I had drawn scum I'd be doing...well, exactly what I'm doing right now, anyway.

[GrandpaMo]

Question to Firebringer.

How exactly do you keep this up?

It honestly feels pretty exhausting for me to do. Like, I feel like I should be replying to more stuff with I dunno, a gif or something, spamming youtube videos, the like, but nothing is easily coming to mind.

I feel like the "sit back and laugh" part is easy enough, but the continuous posting part is harder. How do you pull it off in games?

[GrandpaMo]

Question to Firebringer.

How exactly do you keep this up?

It honestly feels pretty exhausting for me to do. Like, I feel like I should be replying to more stuff with I dunno, a gif or something, spamming youtube videos, the like, but nothing is easily coming to mind.

I feel like the "sit back and laugh" part is easy enough, but the continuous posting part is harder. How do you pull it off in games?

just do what feels right.
ur overthinking it.

post whatever amuses you and puts a smile on ur own face.

Well the only reference I have on hand for what I'm doing is Left 4 Dead mafia. Which is pretty common knowledge to...basically this entire playerlist. There's not much to talk about in that regard. I have trolled as scum. As far as I can remember (could be mistaken), I have not trolled as town. It's a pretty simple formula there, no?

[GrandpaMo]

This game openly has a serial killer, and a serial killer would throw off my new technique

Excuse me what

I mean people who've seen me recently might even be able to guess what this new technique was going to be.
There aren't many things which can be ruined by a serial killer in scumhunting, after all.

The moment I drew town was the moment I knew I needed to go, "Fuck it. Not bothering with this shit."
Because, yeah. I had this whole plan worked out. I would sit in the background. I would be all silent. I would be around often enough that people wouldn't notice the lurking, but I wouldn't draw attention to myself because when I want to be, I actually am really good at blending into the background. But nope, not gonna do that.

[GrandpaMo]

u can shitpost/troll w/e u want to call it and play the game.
i don't get what ur confused about or are doing here.

I mean, I just went about telling you how people won't read my posts, and you're a fine demonstration of this, because if you had, you wouldn't need to ask!

I'm being a ham because I am not taking this game seriously.

[GrandpaMo]

This game openly has a serial killer, and a serial killer would throw off my new technique

Excuse me what

I mean people who've seen me recently might even be able to guess what this new technique was going to be.
There aren't many things which can be ruined by a serial killer in scumhunting, after all.

The moment I drew town was the moment I knew I needed to go, "Fuck it. Not bothering with this shit."
Because, yeah. I had this whole plan worked out. I would sit in the background. I would be all silent. I would be around often enough that people wouldn't notice the lurking, but I wouldn't draw attention to myself because when I want to be, I actually am really good at blending into the background. But nope, not gonna do that.

The hell you mean there's a Serial Killer?!

Well yes I am but I'm sadly not mafia.
Or the serial killer.

[GrandpaMo]

Of course it wasn't!
I explicitly told you that I would've posted the same thing as scum.
By implication, that means I planned to say it before entering the thread.
In other words: faked it. (Not sure what I would've done if I drew serial killer, but it'd have been something different.)

Now mind you.

The statement still stands.

I absolutely don't know how to troll as town. I basically am trying to be a shitty Firebringer copy.
But all the same, in spite of the truth behind the statement, the statement was fabricated in advance of the game.

[GrandpaMo]

Oh fuck.
I was supposed to draw scum this game.

Hmm, I should probably read the thread.

But that wouldn't be a troll thing to do.

[GrandpaMo]

I think everyone else is confused because of a thing GMO said for memes and he is now sitting back and watching people be confused

What the hell.

I very specifically put in literally EVERY troop, in an order of most to least.
Given how many troops there were, I shoulda gotten at least ONE of them, especially since I figured...well.
Yaknow.

You'd be a bunch of nuke-happy gun-toting 'MURICANS.

Apparently not!

No Espionage. No Battleship. No Eavesdrop. No Aircraft Carrier. No Air Base. No Radar. No Dead Hand (my name for the failsafe). No Submarine. No Covert Ops Team. No Strategic Missile Defense. No Fighter. No Fallout Shelter. No Counterintelligence.

Literally EVERY. SINGLE. ONE. Of them got picked. By someone in the game.
Because if so much as ONE of them had been left unpicked, I should have gotten something!

[GrandpaMo]

That's a nice copypasta.

Finally holy shit.


Someone fucking got it.


Firebringer was in this game.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... ct[]=28641

Everything I said was copied from this game.

It was actually hilarious for like 5 seconds.

[GrandpaMo]

I got bored and decided to read some of mastina's games off the wiki then found a game firebringer was in...

then I decided to just fuck with firebringer till they realize lol

[GrandpaMo]

It was fun while it lasted...

bringing a speculation that SK was in the game surely was fun

[GrandpaMo]

pg

[GrandpaMo]

I got bored and decided to read some of mastina's games off the wiki then found a game firebringer was in...

then I decided to just fuck with firebringer till they realize lol

Is Firebringer in this game? I didn't notice.

lol they are GLB... they are a hydra

[GrandpaMo]

So I kinda forgot the game was happening, but I've played this setup a couple times in sitechat before, (and modded them, too) and usually it doesn't matter who gets limmed first, just because if you get town, you get a confirmed townie, and most of the time by the first couple minutes based on who's working with who and so on and so forth. I saw the votecount and it looked like it was him or you. I knew if I voted you I'd either get scum and p much win, or I'd get town and you'd shoot him (killing scum). That's how it goes pretty much every time. So I flipped a coin that would only land heads up.

I get this setup mixed up a lot, though, with SS3 (and also every time I skim this I think townies are perma one-shot limproof) which is why I posted like I did at beginning of day 2. I know you know I'm town, cuz if you didn't think I was, you'd have shot me yesterday. Let's lim RC and win this thing for the homies?

LOL I FORGOT IRCHER WAS IN THE GAME TOO

[GrandpaMo]

also more on vic ---


its starting to feel like TSTBS imo

does vic really do shit as scum. i mean surely, scum would have communicated with them to tell them to stop or sum shit.

[GrandpaMo]

unless they have and failed ?

idfk

there is so much shit going on.

there is also another possible sitatuion that their messsages have a clue or puzzle or some type of riddle.

ima try to iso and figure it out.

[GrandpaMo]

also sorry firebringer all love <3 xx

[GrandpaMo]

The fact I usually shitpost as town prior to D2/D3 still gets ignored.

This...

[GrandpaMo]

Let me force you to read my stupid fanfic for a while...

"Wake up, sleepy head." Jasiri shook her mate with her paw "The ceremony won't wait!"

"Can't it wait for a little longer?" Janja groaned in response, turning around with intent to continue sleeping

"I suppose it can be postponed for a little while longer." Jasiri smiles "But no longer than a half an hour. After all, it's not every day that someone becomes royalty. Or rather, two someones."

Janja smiles as well. At least until the true meaning of her words reaches his brain. Then he sits bolt upright, eyes going wide.

"Wait, are you saying what I think you're saying?!" he asks

"If you think I am saying you're gonna be the King of the Outlands, then yes." Jasiri giggles

"B..but...I..." Janja stutters "I nominated you as the Queen partially because I knew I would do a lousy job at ruling. You saw how me and my clan failed each time I tried to lead them. Now I will fail on a much bigger scale, and I don't want that."

He starts to wheeze, and Jasiri frowns once she realizes he is having a nervous breakdown.

"Janja...calm down." she says "The fact you're so worried about this in the first place is precisely why you'd make a good king."

"I have to agree with her." another familiar voice rings out

Janja and Jasiri look at the former King of the Pridelands. Simba is older now, and it shows. His movements are slower and his breath is more labored. His eyes, however, are filled with affection. Both Jasiri and Janja can see it.

"Simba." Jasiri curtsies respectfully "What brings you here?"

"I happened to overhear Janja's worries, so I decided to give him some advice, from a former King to a future one." Simba smiles gently "Do not let self-doubt hold you back. I did, and that turned out to be a mistake."

"And why were you in the Outlands?" Jasiri asks

"To tell the truth, I wanted to visit my son." Simba admits "Well, adoptive son. We spent so little time together before I had to give him away."

"Why didn't you visit him before?" Jasiri prompts

"I was sidetracked with my royal duties and raising my own children." Simba says "And then when Kion grew up, he had a lot of encounters with my adoptive son. And he told me all about those per my request. That way, I was able to keep tabs on him."

"And who is this adopted son of yours?" Jasiri tilted her head curiously

"Well, as you know, two of my children became royalty. Kiara is Queen of the Pridelands and Kion is the King of the Tree of Life." Simba says "So then, what if I said that my adopted child is about to become royalty as well?"

Jasiri looks at Janja, and their eyes widen simultaneosly. Then Jasiri giggles.

"Oh, yes." she chortles "A lion adopting a hyena! Now I've seen everything!"

"You will bring the hyenas back to the Pridelands." Simba continues "Just as your parents would have wanted."

Janja turns away at that declaration, looking sad.

"I never knew my parents." he whispers "I never even met them. You know them better than I ever will. Why do you get to know them better than me?!"

Then he bolts off before either Jasiri or Simba could stop him.

"Janja..." Jasiri whispers

She's about to follow, but a lion's paw blocks her path.

"He needs some time to himself." Simba says "I suggest you postpone the coronation ceremony until tomorrow. In the meantime, I'll talk to him."

Janja is lying on cold, hard stone. Tears are flowing down his face without reservation as he gnaws on a bone.

Then a zebra carcass is placed down in front of him, and a warm body lies down next to him.

"Let it all out, son." Simba says "It's been twenty years since I last called you that, you know..."

Janja doesn't look up, but he does start munching on the zebra carcass instead.

"You were quite the troublemaker back then." Simba says "And according to Kion, you still were well into your teenage years."

"And yet, you were quick to disbelieve I had changed." Janja says

"Yes, that was an unfortunate development." Simba admits with a sigh "To be honest, you brought back Scar and I...I thought he had corrupted you fully. That, and twenty years of causing trouble...I thought that the little pip I knew back then was gone forever. Fortunately, you were able to prove me wrong. And that is why I'll make one final decree as King. Kiara and Kovu already agreed as well, as did Kion. From now on, the hyenas are welcome in the Pridelands and at the Tree of Life alike as long as they don't cause too much mayhem. I do this for you and for your mate's joint clan."

"Thank you." Janja manages to say

"Now you should rest for today." Simba begins to leave "I convinced Jasiri to postpone the ceremony for your sake. Me and my family will attend. All of us will attend the coronation. It's a family affair, after all."

"So me and Kion have been brothers this whole time?" Janja smirks

"Adoptive brothers." Simba corrects "But yes. And you fought, as brothers should."

"And I held my adoptive sister and mother hostage." Janja adds

"Yes, you did." Simba remarks off-handedly "It was Ushari's idea, to be fair."

"Maybe." Janja grins "Still, that's one weird family tree. But...I was told my real parents died. How did they die?"

"They were killed." is all Simba says "I need to get going now, and you need to rest."

When Janja and Jasiri wake up the next day, the sun is high up in the sky. They stand up slowly and drink a little from the pond, before they are interrupted by Madoa, who runs up to them.

"The royal family are coming...all of them." she says "And so is the Lion Guard."

"Which one, Kion's or Vitani's?" Jasiri asks

"Both of them." Madoa replies

"Well, then, this will be interesting..." Janja says

"Very interesting." another voice says

"Ah, Vitani is here." Madoa says

"Indeed." Vitani stops to look at Janja "You look like Shenzi...and Banzai as well. You must be their biological offspring."

"I can't be. They died in a fire long before I was born. Every hyena knows the story. And my parents were killed, so that can't be true." Janja denies

"That's not what happened." Vitani smiles sadly "Your parents were killed by my mother."

"That's not entirely true." Simba says "Your mother died giving birth to you and your father was killed by my officers."

Janja looks between Vitani and Simba, unsure which version to believe. Nala, Kiara, Kovu and Vitani's guard are there as well.

Then Jasiri clears her throat.

"I hate to interrupt, but the ceremony is about to start."

Janja has a sneaking suspicion she did so for his sake.

That is when Kion, his mate and his guard appear.

"I believe we've come to an acceptable alternative for your ceremony." Jasiri tells Simba

Wema and Tunu walk up, each one carrying what appears to be a makeshift crown made of twigs and leaves in their mouth

"Indeed." Simba agrees

"Then let the coronation ceremony begin!" Jasiri announces

Wema and Tunu approach Janja and Jasiri and put the crowns onto their heads as everyone is watching.

"Presenting the new Queen and King of the Outlands." Madoa announces "Good luck, you guys."

"Thanks, sis." Jasiri says "We'll need it...both of us will need it."

Janja tunes out most of what happens next. Instead he thinks about his parents and tries to figure out which story is true.

After the ceremony is finished, he is approached by Kion and Rani.

"Thinking about your parents?" Rani asks softly "Mine were killed too, so I understand how you feel."

"If what Simba says is true, then I killed my mother." Janja says morosely

"You didn't." Rani says comfortingly "It's just one of those things that happen."

Janja doesn't answer. Instead, he wanders off.

"He needs to be alone now." Rani advises "Except you, Jasiri. He needs you, I think."

"Got it." Jasiri says and takes off after him.


So have you figured out my alignment from this yet?

Also, my post restriction is real, and you'll understand why.

- m

I thought it would be pretty obvious what my flavor is by now, and if you know my flavor, you know my restriction.

- Red

First you sign “wolf” now “red” and we’re supposed to tr you for that?

RC told us that flavour is nai. None of that makes you town.

Do townie things and I’ll unvote you. I want to see you try to solve. Why are you still voting Sakura?

Shutposting is my way of doing townie things. If you really studied my meta as Gamma claims, you would know this. You do you.

I thought it would be pretty obvious what my flavor is by now, and if you know my flavor, you know my restriction.

- Red

First you sign “wolf” now “red” and we’re supposed to tr you for that?

RC told us that flavour is nai. None of that makes you town.

Do townie things and I’ll unvote you. I want to see you try to solve. Why are you still voting Sakura?

Shutposting is my way of doing townie things. If you really studied my meta as Gamma claims, you would know this. You do you.

Besides, when Firebringer shitposts, everyone gives him instant townie pass. Yet when I do it, I am instantly scum.

Exoskeletons are not usually dreaming. <3

- m

Believe in Pacman and Pacman believes in you.

I respect people I respect. None of you are them.

- m

this is all specific to a playstyle.... meaning vic is possibly imitiating someone's playstyle. it makes more sense now.

[GrandpaMo]

Okay we know you are there now Yume

Don't run away from us again

I haven't forgotten your me-catching skills, by the way.

Cool- are you willing to state any reads

JJ...

Vic is giving you a hint.

Vic is a player that knows you.

Think.

It is also a layer that knows Firebringer.

[GrandpaMo]

player*

And a player that Vic is imitating (not their alt)

[GrandpaMo]

Imitating a playstyle is not an objective post restriction. It's subjective and so cannot be effectively ruled on without screening posts in the way that the abandoned game correspondence mafia attempted

Their post restriction is related to the player.

Why do you think they did that wall post. (2 in fact)

That means there is either minimum capacity type of restriction if what she is saying is true.

[GrandpaMo]

Imitating a playstyle is not an objective post restriction. It's subjective and so cannot be effectively ruled on without screening posts in the way that the abandoned game correspondence mafia attempted

Their post restriction is related to the player.

Why do you think they did that wall post. (2 in fact)

That means there is either minimum capacity type of restriction if what she is saying is true.

its fake and u know it

Wait dammit

[GrandpaMo]

Okay we know you are there now Yume

Don't run away from us again

I haven't forgotten your me-catching skills, by the way.

Cool- are you willing to state any reads

Not at this time. I am here but I am not capable of making actual effort yet.

I am trying to tryhard, really hard.

- m

LET ME SPEAK TO U MY CHILD.

Listen, are you a player of soem sort.??


are you imitiating someone or something?

[GrandpaMo]

Okay we know you are there now Yume

Don't run away from us again

I haven't forgotten your me-catching skills, by the way.

Cool- are you willing to state any reads

Not at this time. I am here but I am not capable of making actual effort yet.

I am trying to tryhard, really hard.

- m

LET ME SPEAK TO U MY CHILD.

Listen, are you a player of soem sort.??


are you imitiating someone or something?

Now you're catching on. <3

- m

LMFOAOFO

YES ITAS WORKING TOWN ITS WQORKING

LMFAOOO IM FUCKING DYING

LET ME BE THE MESSENGER

[GrandpaMo]

Okay we know you are there now Yume

Don't run away from us again

I haven't forgotten your me-catching skills, by the way.

Cool- are you willing to state any reads

Not at this time. I am here but I am not capable of making actual effort yet.

I am trying to tryhard, really hard.

- m

LET ME SPEAK TO U MY CHILD.

Listen, are you a player of soem sort.??


are you imitiating someone or something?

Now you're catching on. <3

- m

LMFOAOFO

YES ITAS WORKING TOWN ITS WQORKING

LMFAOOO IM FUCKING DYING

LET ME BE THE MESSENGER

now listen vic.

lets form a bond...


I will townread you for the rest of the game if you give me who you townread.


surely many people's thoughts you should have suprised you!

are you scared because you are scum...

or are you scared because you are town...

talk to me my love

[GrandpaMo]

Okay we know you are there now Yume

Don't run away from us again

I haven't forgotten your me-catching skills, by the way.

Cool- are you willing to state any reads

Not at this time. I am here but I am not capable of making actual effort yet.

I am trying to tryhard, really hard.

- m

Visterene, is there any mechanical reason that you haven't been active in the

"playing the game you signed up for"

department?

Post restriction and lack of any threads I can follow, really.

I wish I could get your vibes, I really really do, but it's not coming.

I am off my usual game, see.

- m

Players that start with the letter M.


You are restricting the name


That means you are not allowed to say who you are...

If your alt is Yume...

that means it is someone that Yume likes that would have messaged RC about it for flavor...


- Player that starts with the letter M
- Player that knows JJh
- Player that knows Firebringer
- Player that knows Yume

[GrandpaMo]

Okay we know you are there now Yume

Don't run away from us again

I haven't forgotten your me-catching skills, by the way.

Cool- are you willing to state any reads

Not at this time. I am here but I am not capable of making actual effort yet.

I am trying to tryhard, really hard.

- m

Visterene, is there any mechanical reason that you haven't been active in the

"playing the game you signed up for"

department?

Post restriction and lack of any threads I can follow, really.

I wish I could get your vibes, I really really do, but it's not coming.

I am off my usual game, see.

- m

Players that start with the letter M.


You are restricting the name


That means you are not allowed to say who you are...

If your alt is Yume...

that means it is someone that Yume likes that would have messaged RC about it for flavor...


- Player that starts with the letter M
- Player that knows JJh
- Player that knows Firebringer
- Player that knows Yume

No fucking way it could be Mastina LOL


That would be the dopest and coolest highlight of the game of me fucking with firebringer just to coincidently be Vic's role lol

[GrandpaMo]

if yume is supposed to be impersonating mastina this is the worst impression i have ever seen.
where is the 4000 word walls

thats what i said too ...

i guess their beginning word walls was an attempt

[GrandpaMo]

lol i could care less about vic.

lmfao

all that shit and that energy is fake to me. i just wanted to have fun while exectuing it

can we now vote or what

VOTE: victorine