Open 836: Pick Your Poison (Game Over)

[SirCakez]

i've been cursed IRL it better not translate to this game!

[SirCakez]

i've been cursed IRL it better not translate to this game!

What kind of curse? Are you living in interesting times?

I got in a car accident in september. no one got hurt but it took them a month to repair the damage.
the day after I got the fixed car back I got a flat tire. Bam another week waiting for my new tire order to come in and get it mounted.
I get the tire mounted. two days later, BAM! Drop my phone and it stops working. Getting it worked on right now.
I don't know what's next...

[SirCakez]

due to this I will be consuming substances tonight
so everyone get excited for drunk/high/aggressive cakez coming soon

[SirCakez]

which Jumanji?

[SirCakez]

ico, i see you're online, why are you lurking

feels a little gross
VOTE: datisi

[SirCakez]

i've been cursed IRL it better not translate to this game!

What kind of curse? Are you living in interesting times?

I got in a car accident in september. no one got hurt but it took them a month to repair the damage.
the day after I got the fixed car back I got a flat tire. Bam another week waiting for my new tire order to come in and get it mounted.
I get the tire mounted. two days later, BAM! Drop my phone and it stops working. Getting it worked on right now.
I don't know what's next...

Oh, fuck! Sorry about the previous joke.

lol you're good I'm trying to be lighthearted about it cuz it just sucks all around

[SirCakez]

Ico feels weird

how so?

[SirCakez]

A50 I feel like you need a name from the Title Fairy but I don't know what

[SirCakez]

idk why people are spending time speculating over the PRs. seems self-resolving to me and also like not that important right now.

VOTE: Fun and games

Serious vote.

I was thinking about this
Skitter's posting feels tonally off. Not like her usual self. Kinda awkward.

[SirCakez]

which Jumanji?

2017

Karen Gillan's character because she was hot

[SirCakez]

A50 feels town. Gamma feels town. Baltar feels town.

Would it be wrong to townblock Datisi/Icon/VP already?

yeah

A50 I feel like you need a name from the Title Fairy but I don't know what

I can't think of one myself either

need a brainstorming session

[SirCakez]

tonight I will lol but not right now

[SirCakez]

i'm tired and will probably be asleep within the next 2 hours

if you instead wanna just normally elaborate on your issues with me poking the dragon, that also works i guess

then I'll wait til tomorrow because I don't have a good enough grasp yet

[SirCakez]

what's the game connection?

[SirCakez]

what's the game connection?

For the title? It fits his way of being funny and unpredictable

ok you should submit the nom since you came up with it

[SirCakez]

sorry high!Cakez was too high last night and didn't make it here

[SirCakez]

I’m not rlly getting similar vibe to HoS_S from enchant rn + think he’s more likely to get sussed very early D1 as town based on the NEP game I played

I can kinda see it

These are both about enchant, right?

Yeah
To clarify I see the point about the immediate setup comment but in HoS_S it was also like, a distancing ploy? And Enchant getting pressure like this early I think is town-indicating for him ngl

I don't know Enchant that well but he does seem sort of limbait-y from what I can tell

Also i think cakez is probably town

~ skitter

why? I've hardly done anything to warrant this.

A50 feels town. Gamma feels town. Baltar feels town.

disagree with gamma

why?

Also i hope everything is going ok cakez!

~ skitter

I have my phone back now and they did a great job fixing it and this weekend is gonna be awesome so things are looking up hopefully!

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Penguin_Power

Boring Iso

not a big fan of this vote

ehh. agreed skitter is making much more sense here than dunn.

I concur even though you're scummy

why do people SR dats, this feels like real thought process

people scumread me?

hi

enchant, can you actually answer the questions people have for you and play the game you signed up to play

I like style of posting, feels familiar.

I want kill Ass for voting this (mafia was baited).

lmaooo this fucking post

[SirCakez]

Gamma kinda looks like he's wk-ing enchant

The defense is weird but doesnt feel partner-y to me exactly

Pedit he isnt exuding 'ugh i utterly hate posting' with his every post, he seems like he actually is enjoying being here

~ skitter

I believe this answers both

~ skitter

ok ig

[SirCakez]

sorry cakez i literally forgot you exist

That happens to me

Is it fucked in good sense or bad sense

Neither it's just really funny

[SirCakez]

your Enchant push feels scum-motivated to me because he just looks like limbait

Also, where's this dragon at?

going by the european time, he should've been here about 8-9 hours ago until now. so either a really busy day, or the dragon is afraid of me.

and I don't like this shade casting at Ico

[SirCakez]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p13118049
everyone go Nth

[SirCakez]

i have a galaxy brain take on why cakez and pooky do not share a scum pt

also cakez needs a lesson on how i read the dragon, but that will come with time

What the hell does this post even mean lmao

[SirCakez]

Sorry yeah I should have waited for the title nom but I was excited for A50

[SirCakez]

Datisi why do you town lean me?

[SirCakez]

i have a galaxy brain take on why cakez and pooky do not share a scum pt

also cakez needs a lesson on how i read the dragon, but that will come with time

What the hell does this post even mean lmao

it means i think that if one of you or pooky flip scum, the other is probably not a partner

it means you're scumleaning me for things i use to read ico and it's annoying

i think you're prob town because your push on me feels pretty tone deaf in a way that scum usually doesn't do, plus tonally you feel fine (that is a weaker point as i am not hugely familiar with your tone as town and scum)

how am I being tone deaf?
even disregarding your Ico push you seem scummy in other ways that I mentioned

[SirCakez]

i have a galaxy brain take on why cakez and pooky do not share a scum pt

also cakez needs a lesson on how i read the dragon, but that will come with time

What the hell does this post even mean lmao

it means i think that if one of you or pooky flip scum, the other is probably not a partner

it means you're scumleaning me for things i use to read ico and it's annoying

i think you're prob town because your push on me feels pretty tone deaf in a way that scum usually doesn't do, plus tonally you feel fine (that is a weaker point as i am not hugely familiar with your tone as town and scum)

how am I being tone deaf?
even disregarding your Ico push you seem scummy in other ways that I mentioned

I really dislike how 471 feels like it's trying to defuse me

[SirCakez]

your Enchant push feels scum-motivated to me because he just looks like limbait

Also, where's this dragon at?

going by the european time, he should've been here about 8-9 hours ago until now. so either a really busy day, or the dragon is afraid of me.

and I don't like this shade casting at Ico

Why's it shade from dats and not from me?

your post was just a generic question, Datisi turned it towards Ico being scum avoiding Datisi

[SirCakez]

VOTE: VP Baltar
I see no reason to bow to you here.
And yes this means I retract the TR on VP

this vote is dumb but I also think Gamma makes it as town

[SirCakez]

@skitt, is there a reason you haven't changed your vote yet

@cakez, do you wanna fuckin go

scum!tisi up for a fight?

join me dragon!

Also is anyone else finding bingle to be kinda weird?

~ skitter

no this is just shade casting

quote="Datisi"]
they *can*, i just don't think it's likely. mainly, i think it's decently unlikely scum!cakez attacks me with a push that bad if pooky is in the scum pt with him, i believe pooky thinks i am very prone to omgus-ing, and i'm generally loud and annoying and likely to be townread as town. generally not a good thing to get on your ass if you're scum.

Meh. That feels like a lot of assuming. If sircakez already started it wouldn't feel natural enough to just stop so they'd have to be careful. You're also assuming Pooky would read that the same way as you and that sircakez would let pooky dictate his play that way. I don't really think they're a scum team I'd pick anyway and I'm townreading you so it doesn't really matter much. But meh I don't see what you see.[/quote]
If Pooky and I were scum he would let me do whatever the fuck I wanted lmao

I could also vote Dunn

[SirCakez]

how am I being tone deaf?

your push on me is not going to get you anywhere, i think back then pretty much everyone had a positive or neutral opinion of me

*and* you attacked my sorting of ico, something which was very much regarded as "leave datisi alone and let him work his magic, for last game he successfully read ico by page 4"

like. your push on me is more tone deaf than i am irl, and that's saying something

how can you just be like "ahaha i am so powerful you can't even touch me"
you're trying to use your relationship with Ico as a defense but I find you scummy independently of that

[SirCakez]

that's not what i'm saying? i'm saying scum!you would be very aware you're wasting your time here. objectively, nobody is scumreading me other than you. and that is what you originally attacked me for.

push on enchant being that of lhf, anything else?

Your whole reaction to my push feels scummy. Like you're trying to belittle it and make it seem insignificant.

[SirCakez]

that's not what i'm saying? i'm saying scum!you would be very aware you're wasting your time here. objectively, nobody is scumreading me other than you. and that is what you originally attacked me for.

push on enchant being that of lhf, anything else?

so, my out-of-the-fridge-overnight scumcase of vp baltar:

the last two games the two of us have played together are mini normal 2195 and mini normal 2207. for the purposes of this post, all you need to know about 2195 is that i was scum, baltar was town, and his read on me was... not very correct.

in 2207, we were both town. however, due to the game taking place some two weeks after 2195, it took us a while to figure that out. somewhat early on in the game, this sequence between baltar and luca took place: (bolded and underlined the currently relevant parts)

Spoiler:

Datisi Town

Norwee Town
Geraint Town

IV scum

Calling town reads quick on folks who might be argumentative and calling IV scum when he's being silly, plus OMGUSing slightly cause I poked him.

Sounds like Luca is scumming it up on the path of least resistance over there.

I have a lot of experience with Datisi and Norwee and they both seem Town so far

Scum can be silly too

My opinion on you has nothing to do with Omgus, and is more in line with what Norwegian touched on before - you’re commenting on stuff but not really doing anything with it. Right now you’re assuming motives behind my reads without even bothering to question them

I have lots of experience with Datisi as well. It is too early to tell his alignment.

Repeating a point from Norwegian about me (which is very eh to begin with) is definitely in line with OMGUS.

in which baltar immediately pushed back on luca's townread on me, saying that it's way too early for it.

a little bit later on, i called him out for not having a read on me by that point (when i thought he should have one), and these are parts of our conversation that followed:

Spoiler:

i feel like he shouldn't be dead null on me still?

Why? You're gonna have to build trust with me after I went easy on you last game. Clearly the things I find town from your playstyle are fakeable, so I think I have every right to be skeptical of my ability there, yeah?

I'm not saying there aren't differences. But but but...I'd expect you to make alterations if you DID happen to draw scum with me again.

For example, a big tell you did drop in that game was just never really pushing on me. (In some ways, I don't want to say this aloud, but I'm sure you know already). I can see you aren't doing that here, but I'm WIFOMing myself that perhaps you wouldn't do that again. FWIW, nothing about you this game has pinged me on a gut level as bad yet, which is a good sign. I did have some of those pings last game and I stupidly dismissed them as my own paranoia.

I do think I'll be able to sort you, but I expect it will take me a bit longer this time around.

so what's the reason for you shutting down luca's townread of me then? @vp obviously

Because you are a good player, which he knows, and the better a player is, the more time you should probably take to be sure you're sorting them correctly.

and, my personal favourite:

Spoiler:

I hope your scum win made you happy, because now I see darkness behind every corner.

all of these are showing a healthy dose of paranoia of me. most of his play around me that game, especially early, was careful. he wasn't letting me pick up easy townreads, because he knew how much damage scum!me can do when i'm being townread.

compare these quotes to this game? it's night and day. there is NO paranoia, there is zero caution, he's calling me town for most flimsy reasoning of gut and vibes, he doesn't concern himself at all that the vast majority of the game is townreading me for potentially bad reasons. he's vibing. this is why i asked him to elaborate on his townread of me. without actually solid reasons, it just... felt like pocketing.

however, if he truly didn't remember that i was scum in 2195, and wasn't thinking of that game at all, then i'm not sure just how much of this scumcase is valid. typing it out, i do like it again, but ehhh.

as for the tinfoil of lying about not remembering a game that i mentioned in 603: if he realized that he's "forgotten" to show paranoia of me, and realized that i know he should be showing paranoia of me, then "haha i just didn't remember that one game where you had a good scum performance!" is a way to get out of being caught on the basis of not showing paranoia.

also, unrelated to the above, 483 and 489 are disgusting, but i have to run through some meta checks to see if they're scum!indicative. those meta checks require reading through a few isos to see if my memory of games that took place a year and a half ago is correct. that will have to wait, as that is not something i feel like doing on a friday night.

Ok if you are town this is actually a good case though because that tell of not being paranoid is a good one and I've gotten caught from it before

[SirCakez]

Ok then I don't think this discussion can help this progress any more because we clearly disagree

[SirCakez]

Sorry been Mia been here tomorrow

[SirCakez]

reading now
sorry I know it's been a hot sec

[SirCakez]

I still feel like aside from VP my earlier townblocking attempt were kinda solid
cakez and enchant are hard town for me at the very least

why are you so confident on me?

i just reread like 200 posts from an old game's iso and i am not finding what i thought i was gonna find and i am upsetti

gonna go out for a walk then have dinner then (a) keep doing pointless iso reading (b) make art (c) actually study???? we'll see

what did you want?
honestly I find this so weird - like you were digging for something to use for your PoV and it didn't work which is something I associate with scum

i'm kinda vacillating on whether town-or-scum gamma is more likely to have a very apathetic response to being wagoned rn

ahhhhhhhhh

~ skitter

the answer is scum as seen in Doubles Mafia

[SirCakez]

I think Ico's page 36 is really town

[SirCakez]

Also, the pressure dissipating on Gamma and Dunn as soon as I was away looks suspicious. Shenanigans are afoot.

who do you think is responsible for this?

[SirCakez]

SirC's been pushing and seeking support for his pushes - i like his general thread presence

have I? lol I don't understand why I am getting townreads this game I have hardly been doing anything

[SirCakez]

like normally I have to fucking bust my ass to get townreads

[SirCakez]

VOTE: fun and games
based on page 37
they feel super manipulative

[SirCakez]

also Penguin is town this game

[SirCakez]

VP is right in 939 - Dunn is playing like he does as scum
actually Baltar is just town as hell - the thoughts in 946 are town generated through and through

[SirCakez]

wrt dunn, not much. i did remember some of dunn's meta that i'd forgotten up until now, but this bad feeling mainly came from the wagon and the gamestate itself. i'm not great at explaining feelings here, but the way it just kinda stalled and didn't move anymore gives me a bad vibe. and it seems like there's not much point pressuring there at the moment.

this usually indicates the wagon is on scum no?

[SirCakez]

also I have scum pings from A50
nothing in particular I can point to but I'm not feeling it with him? I don't know how to describe it

[SirCakez]

right now my scum pool would be like (F&G, Dats, Dunn, A50)
maybe Enchant but I don't want to fuck with the LHF right now

[SirCakez]

I think Gamma's response to the wagon was town

[SirCakez]

right now my scum pool would be like (F&G, Dats, Dunn, A50)
maybe Enchant but I don't want to fuck with the LHF right now

I'm going to reread that page 37 you reference. Is there something specific there you think is manipulative from F&G?

Also, what's your thought on Sleepless?

I didn't like the Ico interactions again; looking at stuff like

I want to see a vc but probably voting ico

~ skitter

I haven't focused on Sleepless enough to give a good read on them; I don't have experience with them so I'm treading carefully

[SirCakez]

it's my specific read on Dunn. I think he's townier than Gamma. So I preferred Gamma.

I don't see how anyone could think Dunn is townier than Gamma

[SirCakez]

My eyes about popped out of my head in shock. I don't think you've mentioned this slot except to ask why they town read you. Can you go into more detail? I have a hard time seeing "manipulative" In skitter looking at Iconeums reads and not being able to make sense of them.

I definitely mentioned finding them sketchy earlier
Skitter does not feel town to me. She feels too confident and I don't like how she's interacting with other people; it feels like it's not in good faith.

[SirCakez]

My eyes about popped out of my head in shock. I don't think you've mentioned this slot except to ask why they town read you. Can you go into more detail? I have a hard time seeing "manipulative" In skitter looking at Iconeums reads and not being able to make sense of them.

I definitely mentioned finding them sketchy earlier
Skitter does not feel town to me. She feels too confident and I don't like how she's interacting with other people; it feels like it's not in good faith.

ok I didn't make it explicit but things have definitely been pinging me on F&G for a hot sec

[SirCakez]

lol -- cakez, when did you decide you were gonna see every single thing i say as scummy? like, how the hell do you come to this conclusion. "you had a hypothesis, you went to look for evidence to support that hypothesis, you did not find said evidence... scum."

to answer your question, i wanted to see whether i was right on 483 and 489 being tonally scum-indicative. because i thought i had seen him use that tone before, but i couldn't remember it being *that* vile (threatening? idk words difficult) when he was town. so i read through a part of vp's iso from 2157, found 2-3 posts that were tonally similarish enough, but not quite. and since that is the only scumgame of vp's that i'd played in, and i didn't find it there, that then means that i'd probably seen it in a towngame. but verifying that would take even more time, which i haven't done because i'm not sure i currently care enough to do it. but yes i was obviously disappointed that i didn't find the evidence to support my theory. i dislike beign wrong. why is that scummy.

because I do that all the time as scum lol
if I have a certain townie I want mislimmed I'll go dig for meta that I can use against them. But sometimes I don't find it and it annoys me but I don't post about it like you did.
and your explanation of your theory makes sense so disregard this anyways.

[SirCakez]

For examples, I like the tone in these posts for town

cuz reading his catchup it reminded me of that time ico/me were scum together in kids with lungs and the dude would basically lurk and then "catchup" in "bursts" where he would post like 20 times in a row and not actually interact with the thread in any way.

yeah please metadive and tell us what you find

i'm not gonna explain my personal life ITT

i have a tinfoil theory that involves Fun and Games, Datisi and myself… i'm probably getting heat for this but i don't really care lol

Fun and Games' scumread on me feels really weak. They are pushing Datisi as associative with me because they know i'm yeetbait and the *one* thing standing in their way for easy achievement of that is Datisi townreading me

So this could literally be scum!Fun and Games (damn that name, i tried abreviating that) pushing town!tisi into some sort of corner with regards to my slot, trying to 1) make sure there's no town!tisi defending me and 2) stopping potential town cohesion from forming

Datisi's case on VP, I think Dats is genuinely believing what he's seeing here...
town!tisi? oh man if my gut on Fun and Games is right i'm gonna be so happy i don't think i've ever caught scum!skit, let alone scum!pooky

[SirCakez]

VOTE: fun and games
based on page 37
they feel super manipulative

uh ok, i'd love to hear more about this

My eyes about popped out of my head in shock. I don't think you've mentioned this slot except to ask why they town read you. Can you go into more detail? I have a hard time seeing "manipulative" In skitter looking at Iconeums reads and not being able to make sense of them.

I definitely mentioned finding them sketchy earlier
Skitter does not feel town to me. She feels too confident and I don't like how she's interacting with other people; it feels like it's not in good faith.

i wouldn't exactly call a lot of reads confident, i don't know what you mean by 'you dont like how i'm interacting with other people' or that i'm not acting in good faith

also how is 919 manipulative ...

~ skitter

maybe manipulative isn't the right word but I don't know what is
like I feel like you're trying to keep the game going a certain way?
in that post it's like you're having this discussion with Ico but obviously you're not taking anything from it because you're signaling that you're gonna end up on him anyways so it all seems kinda faked

[SirCakez]

I think Gamma's response to the wagon was town

in what way?

~ skitter

don't think they confront it like they did in this game as scum

[SirCakez]

maybe manipulative isn't the right word but I don't know what is
like I feel like you're trying to keep the game going a certain way?
in that post it's like you're having this discussion with Ico but obviously you're not taking anything from it because you're signaling that you're gonna end up on him anyways so it all seems kinda faked

thanks
i mean i did start off being suspicious of him to begin with, and me and pooky had discussed while he was gone that if he didn't like wow us with overwhelming towniness when he came back we wanted to vote there, yeah

~ skitter

okay well I just want to see where you guys go next

Sircakez I can see where skitter sounds confident and I can even see where that can be associated with scum because you don't second guess reads that you already know. But I think it's more likely skitter is just a strong player. You can see the same confidence from multiple players in this game. So while I can follow that logic I don't agree. What I'm still confused on is where you say she was manipulative on page 37

Preview edit: Oh ok. I see the answer to the above. Hmm. I don't know, I feel like that's a pretty normal way to interact with someone you're already scumreading.

Skitter is definitely a strong player - I'm just paranoid here because they are good at snowing me and when they are town I feel I get a certain vibe from their play that I am not getting here.

[SirCakez]

@Gamma: reading A50 is an art form. I could potentially write pages about how I go about doing so. When I have a lockdown on him (which I’m not quite at, but we’re getting close) you’d be better served trying to eliminate me than him, such is my accuracy. I cannot always lock town town him or figure out scum him, but when I’m sure you can take it to the bank.

Tl;dr I know him well enough to be able to distinguish the difference between his genuine tinfoils and his fake ones, as well as read into the intent of his 5D chess gambles. There is a slight chance he’s trying to manipulate me specifically here, but doing so this early when it’s not at all guaranteed I actually catch scum him is asking for trouble.

As far as what he’s actually doing? He’s dropping specific tells that make him look like he’s a pr in a way that is likely to draw pr and scum attention. When confronted with tacit protection from me he’s ducking the thread in a way that would make most people reconsider their townread on him, but which is further likely to draw unwanted from scum attention from PRs. He explicitly does not care about that, and that’s plus town specifically in his case. Note: I don’t think this makes him a PR, necessarily, as A50 loves playing the wifom game with intentionally dropped or tells, and with me in the game he expects me to take his wifom game and make it explicit to further thicken the smokescreen he’s putting in front of the other town prs.

Also, his gotcha moment on you followed by sitting back and looking to see what happened is pretty bog standard for a town A50 looking to leverage one solid read into more solid reads.

VP on the other hand has just been playing a very solid game. I can see his reasoning in most cases, and everything he does pings as trying to drive forward a game state with high readability. He’s not afraid of stepping on toes, making unpopular stances, or being seen as going after lhf. His one weird thought moment was accusing you of being less engaging with the thread, but he didn’t do so in a way that put any pressure on you while he did try to pressure Dunn with it and your response to it pretty much confirmed to me it wasn’t him trying to throw weak shade at a partner for distance.

I am not this good at reading A50 but I agree with the general sentiments on both VP and him

[SirCakez]

I am not this good at reading A50 but I agree with the general sentiments on both VP and him

Mate, you just said you had SCUM pings from my posts! Make up your mind.

VP's post made me reconsider because he said he knows you well enough

[SirCakez]

That wasn't even VP who posted that.

lmaoooo my brain is fried
you know what I meant

[SirCakez]

I probably should not have even joined this game at this point in the semester but I liked the playerlist so much I had to

[SirCakez]

bruh right now I am at the point where I would accidentally respond to something from a scum PT in the main thread

[SirCakez]

Enchant are town so far.

can you talk about this one?
because I agree but want to hear how you got there

[SirCakez]

I'm at a ten bois ask me anything

[SirCakez]

Haven't read last few pages reading is not happening rn lool

[SirCakez]

I'm at a ten bois ask me anything

What are you drinking and is the hangover worth it?

Not that kind of ten my dude

[SirCakez]

Skitter is definitely a strong player - I'm just paranoid here because they are good at snowing me and when they are town I feel I get a certain vibe from their play that I am not getting here.

Gonna point out that i believe i was actually scum in many of those instances >.>

~ skitter

i can't remember what game it was but there was some large theme where town ganged up on you and mislimmed you
Tenet I think?

[SirCakez]

not sold on SA scum right now

[SirCakez]

how the fuck am i the same rank as n_m, dunn, ico slot, and sleepless?

it's where you belong

[SirCakez]

typing the following:

Code: Select all

i am talking about post [post]666[/post]

results in:
i am talking about post 666

datisi is satan confirmed

[SirCakez]

I can consolidate on Dunn slot
no interest in limming Ico

[SirCakez]

Darby/Ico* whatever

[SirCakez]

distracted right now but I'm "bookmarking" middle of page 54 to return to reading later

[SirCakez]

sorry I've been absent y'all life hit me really hard this weekend
break starts wednesday and I will be all over MS then!

[SirCakez]

fuuuuck deadline is close
I will try to make some time here later today

[SirCakez]

reading reading reading

[SirCakez]

tried to post something then closed the page too quickly and it didn't post because of Dwlee p-edit...
a good start

[SirCakez]

basically Datisi is right about me not doing much here lately but it's because of IRL and I've been inactive sitewide
and their vote on me is very weak and floppy

[SirCakez]

like you've been hedging on ico for a while, you cased him earlier, you don't have good things to say about darby on this page, and i believe he's the leading wagon

why are you voting cakez now ...

~ skitter

hmphh not sure skitter posts this if she is buddies with Datisi

[SirCakez]

also unironically cakez's townread of ico was questionable at best so here we go

how so?

[SirCakez]

not_mafia and Dunn getting kicked out is hilarious

[SirCakez]

Fun and Games (skitter30 & PookyTheMagicalBear) - Iso is full of hard questioning and solid stances. This isn't a slot that I'd expect to catch as scum on Day 1. There is absolutely no reason for me not to town read them.

Datisi - I can follow a very detailed thought process. If you're scum, you should take up an acting career. I'm not ruling it out because it's Day 1 and I don't have a single town read I'd bet real money on but you're my strongest town read and I'm pretty confident in it.

I don't think either of these reads hold up when you consider how good these players are as scum

[SirCakez]

i *know* my vote on cakez is unlikely to create a wagon. that's not the point.

also this is just ridiculous because Datisi was coming after me earlier for voting him without actually being able to get a wagon going

Can we like consolidate on darby / gamma now
Want the replacements but like other than tjat not sure we're getting kuch else out of today tbh

~ skitter

I don't want to lim either of these people. Maybe Gamma if we have to.

[SirCakez]

unless you're about to tell me that you spend a lot of time spectating games you do not participate in, i am highly skeptical of that claim there

[SirCakez]

unless you're about to tell me that you spend a lot of time spectating games you do not participate in, i am highly skeptical of that claim there

what claim? that you're good at scum?
I haven't seen it in first-person but I can tell a good scum player when I see one
is there someone here who would dispute that you're good at scum?

[SirCakez]

how am I being tone deaf?

your push on me is not going to get you anywhere, i think back then pretty much everyone had a positive or neutral opinion of me

*and* you attacked my sorting of ico, something which was very much regarded as "leave datisi alone and let him work his magic, for last game he successfully read ico by page 4"

like. your push on me is more tone deaf than i am irl, and that's saying something

ok I didn't get that vibe from this post

[SirCakez]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: DArby

Feel like this is going to be the most informative yeet and I'm bored with this day.

I guess I could yeet darby based on this

there's a Dunnstral wagon cool
VOTE: Dunnstral

[SirCakez]

i think you're prob town because your push on me feels pretty tone deaf in a way that scum usually doesn't do

, plus tonally you feel fine (that is a weaker point as i am not hugely familiar with your tone as town and scum)

dude

idk how to make "scum generally doesn't do a nonsense push that won't go anywhere and makes them look like shit" more clear

ok I see

[SirCakez]

Well up until now my basis in this game has felt very weak so I didn’t feel like trying to press based on that was very honest.

actually I kinda don't like this as a response to skitter's reasoning

[SirCakez]

fuuuuck deadline is close
I will try to make some time here later today

Not as close as it looks, but yeah. It pauses at 24 hours if we have pending replacements and we currently have two, an outstanding prod, and a player due a prod in an hour. (also, skitter is due a prod if she doesn't alt slip soon, so she'd better get on that.)

With that said what do you make of Gamma the last few pages? It's pretty much the big thing that's happened since you've been away and I don't recall you talking much about Gamma one way or the other.

I'm sooo conflicted because I keep getting scum pings from certain posts but he sounds genuine in other posts
I find F&G to be scummy independently which is another reason to TR Gamma because this doesn't read like SvS

[SirCakez]

Dunnstral (4)- DArby, Gamma Emerald, Datisi, VP Baltar

That actually goes for all four of you.

Are you expecting a Dunn elim in the last 24 hours of the day or is this a vanity wagon? If the latter, why?

im fine with the Dunn wagon - I think it's a good thing there's a wagon built on a universal scumread in case we can't consolidate elsewhere

[SirCakez]

hi Dwlee hope ur in a town slot

[SirCakez]

But Pookys scum reads are the three being wagoned. It feels too easy. Like not one of gamma/darby/Dunn is town and there's no scum outside of that?

good point

[SirCakez]

unless you're about to tell me that you spend a lot of time spectating games you do not participate in, i am highly skeptical of that claim there

You saying cakez hasn't seen you as scum?

he has, he modded a jk9++ open game back in february. in which i was constantly losing my shit, lurking, and trying to skate by by doing the absolute minimum possible. it's very much not a game that leaves an impression of "good at scum"

uhhhh you were good in that game it was really close

[SirCakez]

I think I feel good about Baltar, SA, Bingle as town
Enchant is limbait
A50 is towny enough for now
Penguin and Dwlee/Not_Maf are total question marks

Would lim Darby or Gamma for info I suppose
Would actually like to elim F&G, Dunn or Datisi

[SirCakez]

I really don't like that part of the game where Datisi randomly pulled up with a vote on me and I didn't buy his explanation for it, especially after he spent the beginning of the game townreading me (and he literally again just said he thought my early game was town)

[SirCakez]

F&G's interactions with Gamma feel like such bad faith like they are trying so hard to make Gamma look bad

[SirCakez]

F&G's interactions with Gamma feel like such bad faith like they are trying so hard to make Gamma look bad

Really? I had the opposite reaction. Like Pooky was definitely being aggressive, but Gamma was pushing pretty poorly formed responses and then doubling down on them when pooky shot them through.

I don't think Gamma's responses were that bad and I'd expect them to be doubling down as town here

[SirCakez]

it feels like you were trying to take advantage of me being absent to swing a new wagon away from today's common suspects

[SirCakez]

i don't understand how you see me naked voting someone who everyone had an either null or townread on, without any explanation and without any good reasons, and somehow come to the conclusion it's an attempt of taking advantage of your absense and saving someone else instead of like, trying to sort?

like, i'm annoyed because what i'm doing right now (i.e. attacking ACTUAL lhf) is way closer to that description and way closer to what i would probably do

but no, you're ascribing that to my lolvote on you really

I don't understand how you voting me accomplishes sorting

[SirCakez]

Fuck there was hammer
I will be present when this game comes back
Thanksgiving got me way harder then I expected

[SirCakez]

I may rep out if I cannot do more here it's not fair to y'all

[SirCakez]

NEVER TRUSTING DWLEE AGAIN

[SirCakez]

Bingle you're super fun to play with and I hope to see you around in the future!