Open 836: Pick Your Poison (Game Over)

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1733 (isolation #0) » Tue Nov 23, 2021 4:02 am

I know I have to big shoes to fill here but I hope I won't disappoint

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1736 (isolation #1) » Tue Nov 23, 2021 4:08 am

In post 1735, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 1733, Dwlee99 wrote:I know I have to big shoes to fill here but I hope I won't disappoint
Thanks for replacing in, Dwlee!

Yes

Now tell me who is scum or I'll end up aimlessly isoing people

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1739 (isolation #2) » Tue Nov 23, 2021 4:10 am

OMG POOKY

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1742 (isolation #3) » Tue Nov 23, 2021 4:15 am

If you're a neighborizer this game you're legally obligated to neighborize me pooky

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1745 (isolation #4) » Tue Nov 23, 2021 4:20 am

Dunn is unreadable imo

Will look at others once I get more time

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1746 (isolation #5) » Tue Nov 23, 2021 4:20 am

Omomgomgomg datisi is here too

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1751 (isolation #6) » Tue Nov 23, 2021 4:39 am

In post 1748, Datisi wrote:that said, hi dwlee glad to see you, i hope you are town

Right back at you, but if you're town I'll probably figure it out within 48 hours

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1759 (isolation #7) » Tue Nov 23, 2021 5:12 am

In post 1758, Datisi wrote:
In post 1751, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 1748, Datisi wrote:that said, hi dwlee glad to see you, i hope you are town
Right back at you, but if you're town I'll probably figure it out within 48 hours
24 or nothing

I have an exam tonight

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1760 (isolation #8) » Tue Nov 23, 2021 5:13 am

In post 1753, Bingle wrote:
In post 1733, Dwlee99 wrote:I know I have to big shoes to fill here but I hope I won't disappoint
Do cows have shoes? Welcome dw!

BINGLE

Hello

Give me big mech diagram STAT

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1761 (isolation #9) » Tue Nov 23, 2021 5:13 am

In post 1755, Almost50 wrote:
In post 3069, Something_Smart wrote:November 23 -
Open 836: Pick Your Poison

Moderator:
Something_Smart
Status:
Day 1, 70 pages
Replacing:
Not_Mafia, Dunnstral, PenguinPower

pls
One down. Two to go. Welcome Dwlee. If you want to do ISO's, mine is the richest.

I seriously doubt that LOL

You silly monkey

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1763 (isolation #10) » Tue Nov 23, 2021 5:17 am

HOLY FUCK CAKEZ IS HERE

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1764 (isolation #11) » Tue Nov 23, 2021 5:18 am

This game is gonna be fun

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1803 (isolation #12) » Tue Nov 23, 2021 7:59 am

Can someone point me to the post/game state this whole fight is about

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1835 (isolation #13) » Wed Nov 24, 2021 1:25 am

In post 1758, Datisi wrote:
In post 1751, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 1748, Datisi wrote:that said, hi dwlee glad to see you, i hope you are town
Right back at you, but if you're town I'll probably figure it out within 48 hours
24 or nothing

Hi it is morning I have three hours of sleep but Datisi is town

Not for this post but I did it within 24 hours

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1856 (isolation #14) » Wed Nov 24, 2021 5:36 am

VOTE: Gamma
I can sheep Gamma on this one

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1859 (isolation #15) » Wed Nov 24, 2021 5:40 am

I just replaced in too andante

Dwlee99 · Wed Nov 24, 2021 11:18 am

In post 1916, Datisi wrote:
In post 1759, Dwlee99 wrote:I have an exam tonight
how did this go i hope it went well

I think well! That or I consistently did one thing incorrect. We'll see lol

I'll try to get actually activated tonight once I'm just vibing

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1946 (isolation #17) » Wed Nov 24, 2021 6:06 pm

I actually liked A50's posts for his alignment at least

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1978 (isolation #18) » Thu Nov 25, 2021 9:33 am

If I knew this day phase only had 2 days left I may not have replaced in oops

Also can hammer this cause Datisi is on it

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1981 (isolation #19) » Thu Nov 25, 2021 9:54 am

Enchant you're so powerful

Dwlee99 · Thu Nov 25, 2021 10:21 am

In post 1988, Datisi wrote:yeah, n_m is funny sometimes

Holy shit

Dwlee99 · Post Post #2009 (isolation #21) » Thu Nov 25, 2021 1:12 pm

In post 2004, VP Baltar wrote:If darby flips scum though, that's likely dats confirmtown. If Gamma is scum as well, today was a complete cluster fuck for the red jerseys

Dats was basically conftown anyway w my read of him

Dwlee99 · Post Post #2045 (isolation #22) » Sun Nov 28, 2021 4:12 am

Gamma can you just not be an asshole to Datisi (or other people in general) please? Even if you're scum here, being rude to Datisi just isn't a good look and you were already a jerk in a different game

Dwlee99 · Post Post #2047 (isolation #23) » Sun Nov 28, 2021 4:18 am

In post 2019, Gamma Emerald wrote:Also:
Hey F&G, still think I'm scum here for my effort levels? Because now that Slaughter Hour is over, I think it's a load of shit that you saw how much effort I poured into my scumgame there and turn around and try to assert that I'm playing such a weak scumgame here.

This confuses me because you have 200 posts

Dwlee99 · Post Post #2050 (isolation #24) » Sun Nov 28, 2021 4:23 am

In post 2048, VP Baltar wrote: read the full game?

Not happening

Dwlee99 · Post Post #2055 (isolation #25) » Sun Nov 28, 2021 4:25 am

Toogeloo Dunnstral (I want to remove completely but haven't read the associatives people say are clearing for them yet)

Gamma Emerald
Almost50
Andante PenguinPower
Sleepless Assassin
Bingle

Dwlee99 · Post Post #2056 (isolation #26) » Sun Nov 28, 2021 4:26 am

That's a list of who I think could be scum btw, and it's unordered

Dwlee99 · Post Post #2057 (isolation #27) » Sun Nov 28, 2021 4:26 am

In post 2053, Andante wrote:
In post 2050, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 2048, VP Baltar wrote: read the full game?
Not happening
SAME!!! lmaooo like, I feel good in my read I made yesterday, we flip gamma here, then VP tomorrow, and gg game over

Wait why VP?

Dwlee99 · Post Post #2060 (isolation #28) » Sun Nov 28, 2021 4:27 am

I've liked what I've read though

Dwlee99 · Post Post #2063 (isolation #29) » Sun Nov 28, 2021 4:28 am

In post 2061, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 2051, Andante wrote:
In post 2048, VP Baltar wrote:Folks who replaced in at the end of the day....can we get your general reads now that you've had time to read the full game?
I didn't read anything after hammer. You're still scum, if anything, skimming Gamma's ISO has me believing even more it's you over Toogaloo
Perhaps you should actually read the game then.

Pedit @ dwlee - I'm teasing you

Ik you're teasing me, I meant I like what I've read from your slot

Dwlee99 · Post Post #2079 (isolation #30) » Sun Nov 28, 2021 4:38 am

Andante is off my list

Dwlee99 · Post Post #2082 (isolation #31) » Sun Nov 28, 2021 4:39 am

In post 2078, Fun and Games wrote:At a time when ico/gamma/dunn (toog) were the main viable options, ico kept trying to push towards dunn and ignored gamma, which i think is +town for toog and damning for gamma

~ skitter

Ty for the Dunn/toog stuff

Dwlee99 · Post Post #2089 (isolation #32) » Sun Nov 28, 2021 4:44 am

Even if VP is town and I'm right I don't really care if we are down to one scum at that point
VOTE: Gamma

Dwlee99 · Post Post #2104 (isolation #33) » Sun Nov 28, 2021 4:56 am

Andante you mind melded with f&g

Dwlee99 · Post Post #2143 (isolation #34) » Sun Nov 28, 2021 6:57 am

In post 2139, Fun and Games wrote:you are so powerful enchant

Wow, parroting me?

Dwlee99 · Post Post #2144 (isolation #35) » Sun Nov 28, 2021 6:59 am

In post 2126, Andante wrote:Dwlee99 Not_Mafia - Read is based on Dw: Honestly, "reads" felt fake, and said a lot of "happy to be here!!!" "excited to play!!!" "no time for reads" I could see this being the reaction of someone replacing into scum, I haven't read N_M, but NM is never an easy read for me

If you have a problem with my reads you could always ask me to elaborate on them. Not gonna dump all my thoughts in one mega post though

Dwlee99 · Post Post #2148 (isolation #36) » Sun Nov 28, 2021 7:03 am

Funniest world is bingle has a guilty and then doesn't get a chance to out it

Dwlee99 · Post Post #2149 (isolation #37) » Sun Nov 28, 2021 7:04 am

In post 2147, Andante wrote:
In post 2144, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 2126, Andante wrote:Dwlee99 Not_Mafia - Read is based on Dw: Honestly, "reads" felt fake, and said a lot of "happy to be here!!!" "excited to play!!!" "no time for reads" I could see this being the reaction of someone replacing into scum, I haven't read N_M, but NM is never an easy read for me
If you have a problem with my reads you could always ask me to elaborate on them. Not gonna dump all my thoughts in one mega post though
ehhh lucky for you I'm more suspicious of sleepless, I'd have loved to hear sleepless's thoughts here before we yeeted gamma

Okay so you don't care enough to ask about my reads?

Dwlee99 · Post Post #2181 (isolation #38) » Sun Nov 28, 2021 7:55 am

Third is probably just sleepless assassin then?

Dwlee99 · Post Post #2183 (isolation #39) » Sun Nov 28, 2021 7:56 am

Still don't understand why people scumread VP

Dwlee99 · Tue Nov 30, 2021 12:16 pm

In post 2219, Andante wrote:Fun and Games was all "A50 has to be town" the only one who really saw the momentum flip, I see no reason scum would leave skitter and pooky alive here either, those 2 are strong players individually, and now they are 1. Fun and Games is 10000% flipping scum

Andante is a koba alt confirmed?

Dwlee99 · Tue Nov 30, 2021 12:17 pm

Gamma flip kinda ruined my mental map of the game sooo gonna need to revibe check the thread

Dwlee99 · Post Post #2249 (isolation #42) » Tue Nov 30, 2021 1:18 pm

Gamma Emerald
Almost50
Sleepless Assassin
Bingle

Was where I was at yesterday. And then gamma and a50 flipped town. So either the team is SA/Bingle or I'm very very wrong here. And I also saw people had Bingle pretty high up so I should review that at minimum

Dwlee99 · Post Post #2251 (isolation #43) » Tue Nov 30, 2021 2:13 pm

In post 2250, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 2249, Dwlee99 wrote:So either the team is SA/Bingle or I'm very very wrong here.
Which do you think is more likely?

Me being wrong

Dwlee99 · Post Post #2299 (isolation #44) » Wed Dec 01, 2021 8:09 am

I could see enchant scum here because he did lol hammer his buddy in white flag

Toog do you have non associatives

Dwlee99 · Wed Dec 01, 2021 12:11 pm

So many words that fill up my entire screen, is it all associatives still?

Dwlee99 · Post Post #2309 (isolation #46) » Wed Dec 01, 2021 5:20 pm

In post 2307, Fun and Games wrote:Yes but the analysis is good imo, and +town for sa

What do u think of my vote on u

@dwlee

~ skitter

I think you want me to post more

Dwlee99 · Post Post #2316 (isolation #47) » Thu Dec 02, 2021 1:35 am

In post 2313, Sleepless Assassin wrote:Dwelee did you ever consider asking about the Darby wagon? I don't really see any opinions from you until you voted Gamma.

I think I was busy the night a50 started pushing it. I was willing to hammer cause I townread the wagon composition but I don't think I ever really dug into the wagon reasons

Dwlee99 · Post Post #2322 (isolation #48) » Thu Dec 02, 2021 4:03 am

Dwlee99 · Post Post #2324 (isolation #49) » Thu Dec 02, 2021 4:04 am

Me? Lazy? Never

Same with enchant lmao

Dwlee99 · Post Post #2325 (isolation #50) » Thu Dec 02, 2021 4:05 am

Anyway the way SA is pressuring Bingle means the SA/Bingle team was definitely wrong

Dwlee99 · Post Post #2327 (isolation #51) » Thu Dec 02, 2021 4:06 am

Ig sleepless has two people before Bingle (me/enchant) but given Bingle is widely townread I don't see them doing that unless the goal was specifically to swap deepwolf or to try to flip SA and give Bingle more towncred - but then why would bingle be alive would be too much of an issue for scum!Bingle.

Dwlee99 · Post Post #2328 (isolation #52) » Thu Dec 02, 2021 4:07 am

Anyway going for swapping deepwolf would be losing strategy so SA/Bingle unaligned and I must have incorrectly town binned someone

Dwlee99 · Post Post #2329 (isolation #53) » Thu Dec 02, 2021 4:16 am

VC 1.8

Iconeum

(5)- Sleepless Assassin, PenguinPower,

Gamma Emerald, Datisi

, Fun and Games
Dunnstral (2)- VP Baltar,

Iconeum

Gamma Emerald (2)-

Almost50

, Bingle

Not_Mafia

(1)-

Not_Mafia

Sleepless Assassin (1)- Enchant
Fun and Games (1)-

SirCakez

Not voting (1)- Dunnstral

VC 1.FINAL

DArby

(7)- Sleepless Assassin, PenguinPower, Fun and Games,

Almost50, Datisi, Gamma Emerald

, Enchant (HAMMER)

Gamma Emerald

(4)- Bingle,

DArby

, VP Baltar,

Dwlee99

Toogeloo (1)-

SirCakez

Not voting (1)- Toogeloo

Dwlee99 · Post Post #2330 (isolation #54) » Thu Dec 02, 2021 4:17 am

I would say datisi/GE hopping off then back on is a bad look but they were both town lol

Dwlee99 · Post Post #2331 (isolation #55) » Thu Dec 02, 2021 4:23 am

Unhelpful takeaways: I think one scum on wagon for Darby : SA/PP/F&G/Enchant. Enchant's vote is conventionally the worst (scum are most likely to hammer scum by some stats) but scum also can play around this to look less bad because they know what will look the least bad. Am thinking though that Enchant/F&G are most likely bus votes despite this, although idk if F&G would be paying attention to the whole third vote thing. (Would you?)

Other one is probably off wagon leaving us with Bingle/VP/Toog

Wouldn't mind flipping Bingle because if he is scum then I was right earlier :^)

Dwlee99 · Post Post #2340 (isolation #56) » Thu Dec 02, 2021 6:21 am

In post 2338, Fun and Games wrote:
In post 2331, Dwlee99 wrote:Am thinking though that Enchant/F&G are most likely bus votes despite this, although idk if F&G would be paying attention to the whole third vote thing. (Would you?)
Not sure what you're asking tbh

~ skitter

Do you believe in the third vote on a wagon tell

Dwlee99 · Post Post #2341 (isolation #57) » Thu Dec 02, 2021 6:22 am

In post 2337, Fun and Games wrote:
In post 2309, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 2307, Fun and Games wrote:Yes but the analysis is good imo, and +town for sa

What do u think of my vote on u

@dwlee

~ skitter
I think you want me to post more
Yes + want to hear more abt your scumreads
Also you're probably the person/slot i townread the least

~ skitter

No scumreads?

Dwlee99 · Post Post #2407 (isolation #58) » Thu Dec 02, 2021 1:14 pm

In post 2381, Bingle wrote:
In post 2325, Dwlee99 wrote:SA/Bingle team
Was this a real thing? Why?

Have you read like any of our interactions?

I had you/sa/a50/gamma at the bottom of my list and then two of those 4 flipped town which left y'all

but yea I don't think that's a coherent solve at this point

Dwlee99 · Post Post #2409 (isolation #59) » Thu Dec 02, 2021 1:16 pm

If I'm a cop I got an inno on toog

Dwlee99 · Post Post #2423 (isolation #60) » Thu Dec 02, 2021 1:48 pm

In post 2413, Bingle wrote:
In post 2407, Dwlee99 wrote:but yea I don't think that's a coherent solve at this point
I don't think me being partnered with SA was a coherent solve D1, tbh. Like, I've been poking him aggressively for info since the word go.

Also, I just realized that SA slipped back into the not linking his posts to the context and I'm not sure how to take that given the long conversation about the scum motivation behind that.

This was day 2... and I already explained it wasn't explicitly a you/SA solve, it was a poe with both of you in it. Are you bothering to read my posts?

Dwlee99 · Post Post #2558 (isolation #61) » Fri Dec 03, 2021 4:24 am

Was that 7 pages of associative reasoning

Dwlee99 · Post Post #2560 (isolation #62) » Fri Dec 03, 2021 4:25 am

Ooh I see the words chainsaw defense. Something that isn't pure associatives

Dwlee99 · Post Post #2565 (isolation #63) » Fri Dec 03, 2021 4:41 am

For Bingle's request:
Andante - I think town for the energy that went into day two, but she has fallen off and I'm less sure of this now. I think her and VP are unlikely to both be scum so a red flip there would secure her as town for me.
Toogeloo - Town cause cop inno
Sleepless Assassin - I don't think I got a chance to see SA before this day phase so they were previously just poe. I want to townread them now just for the wall posts on the associatives but also it's just so much associatives and I want more reasoning from them that isn't fundamentally tied to that before I will feel really good about this slot.

Everyone else I'm big ??????? right now

So that's...

Bingle
Enchant
F&G
VP

I think F&G's push looks like how I bus so?

Dwlee99 · Post Post #2571 (isolation #64) » Fri Dec 03, 2021 4:49 am

In post 2566, VP Baltar wrote:Dwlee, what do you think of andante's AtE above?

NAI

In post 2567, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 2565, Dwlee99 wrote:I think F&G's push looks like how I bus so?
Does this mean you plan to vote me? I would like to know if I need to spend today putting a final thoughts post together

Maybe

Depends on how Pooky twists my arm

Dwlee99 · Post Post #2573 (isolation #65) » Fri Dec 03, 2021 4:50 am

In post 2570, Andante wrote:
In post 2565, Dwlee99 wrote:but she has fallen off and I'm less sure of this now. I think her and VP are unlikely to both be scum so a red flip there would secure her as town for me.
feels like you know VP is flipping scum lol

If I was scum with VP why would I be trying to give you a townlock on his flip? Except to make this argument*

Dwlee99 · Post Post #2574 (isolation #66) » Fri Dec 03, 2021 4:50 am

You expect me to have actually read the past 7 pages of content andante?

Dwlee99 · Post Post #2578 (isolation #67) » Fri Dec 03, 2021 5:01 am

In post 2576, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 2571, Dwlee99 wrote:Maybe

Depends on how Pooky twists my arm
Why would that be a factor if you think F&G is bussing me?

Cause Pooky could be scum without you being scum?

Dwlee99 · Post Post #2579 (isolation #68) » Fri Dec 03, 2021 5:02 am

If I believed anything 100% this game would be a lot easier

Dwlee99 · Post Post #2583 (isolation #69) » Fri Dec 03, 2021 5:08 am

In post 2580, Andante wrote:well I was 100% sure Gamma was Darby's partner, and we see how that worked out lol

This is why I don't do 100%

Dwlee99 · Post Post #2618 (isolation #70) » Fri Dec 03, 2021 7:47 am

What would you like from me oh doggy one

Dwlee99 · Fri Dec 03, 2021 12:38 pm

Pooky are you bussing VP. And tell the truth

Dwlee99 · Post Post #2641 (isolation #72) » Fri Dec 03, 2021 1:58 pm

Bingle can you please explain any of the words in your first paragraph? I am completely lost

Dwlee99 · Post Post #2673 (isolation #73) » Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:01 am

VOTE: Enchant

Dwlee99 · Post Post #2677 (isolation #74) » Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:09 am

I don't like enchant on last page

Dwlee99 · Post Post #2680 (isolation #75) » Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:22 am

No it doesn't I was null

Dwlee99 · Post Post #2681 (isolation #76) » Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:22 am

In post 2679, Fun and Games wrote:lol @ baltar/dlee openwolfing

Homie are you scum here like what is this

Dwlee99 · Post Post #2682 (isolation #77) » Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:23 am

Ignore me til I vote enchant and then be mad about it

Was I right you're bussing baltar?

Dwlee99 · Post Post #2684 (isolation #78) » Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:24 am

Is pooky/enchant viable here

Dwlee99 · Post Post #2686 (isolation #79) » Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:25 am

In post 2683, Fun and Games wrote:yea im sure u think im bussing baltar but you vote for enchant

that makes so much sense

dlee got jokes this game

I'm not confident in that

You completely ignored me asking about the push though which is not what I expected

Dwlee99 · Post Post #2687 (isolation #80) » Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:27 am

VOTE: Fun and games
I actually feel good about this regardless of baltar's alignment, Pooky is scum here

Dwlee99 · Post Post #2688 (isolation #81) » Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:27 am

Uno reversing your "when dwlee is scum they piss me off" tell

Dwlee99 · Post Post #2691 (isolation #82) » Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:30 am

That's why I voted you at first cause there's support on you but I think F&G is scum regardless of Baltar's alignment. And if I'm right there I think we win by flipping you and Baltar

Dwlee99 · Post Post #2692 (isolation #83) » Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:31 am

Basically: Pooky is scum for their push on Baltar, but it could be a bus, so i think it's Pooky/Baltar or Pooky/enchant here

Dwlee99 · Post Post #2701 (isolation #84) » Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:49 am

In post 2698, Andante wrote:and the fact dwlee, who isn't even close to a TR, thinks F&G is the BEST vote here? dwlee is scum

I'm scum because I think Pooky is scum? How is this coherent

Dwlee99 · Post Post #2703 (isolation #85) » Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:50 am

In post 2699, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 2691, Dwlee99 wrote:That's why I voted you at first cause there's support on you but I think F&G is scum regardless of Baltar's alignment. And if I'm right there I think we win by flipping you and Baltar
This seems like a very incoherent theory. You think pooky and I would literally fight for like 5 hours straight? That seems like overkill to bus don't you think?

Overkill is the way to bus

Dwlee99 · Post Post #2706 (isolation #86) » Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:51 am

There's little point in bussing if you're not getting a lot of town cred out of it and Pooky knows that. I know they're at least half full of shit with "VP and Dwlee open wolfing lol" so Pooky is going for at least one mislim here

Dwlee99 · Post Post #2711 (isolation #87) » Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:54 am

I've read Pooky say some bullshit they should know better than

Dwlee99 · Post Post #2714 (isolation #88) » Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:55 am

Pooky pissing me off is a hard scum tell, it's really that simple

Dwlee99 · Post Post #2716 (isolation #89) » Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:57 am

Andante is chainsawing me on Pooky rn .—.

Dwlee99 · Post Post #2719 (isolation #90) » Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:59 am

Pooky and I normally vibe ><

Dwlee99 · Post Post #2722 (isolation #91) » Sat Dec 04, 2021 6:01 am

But idc how genuine pooky seems when his read on me is just "yea partnered with VP duh haha open wolf lol"

Spam posting doesn't equal town and repeating "open wolf" doesn't change my role pm

Dwlee99 · Post Post #2725 (isolation #92) » Sat Dec 04, 2021 6:07 am

Do you people only believe in 100% confident reads
Like I'm not allowed to think enchant's posts last page were atrocious

Dwlee99 · Post Post #2728 (isolation #93) » Sat Dec 04, 2021 6:09 am

And even if it didn't make sense, when has that EVER been a scum tell. I literally just got MathBlade limmed in ELO to win by being all "haha you made no sense scum XD"

Dwlee99 · Post Post #2731 (isolation #94) » Sat Dec 04, 2021 6:12 am

No he wrote all of his thoughts down and they made objectively no sense

He unvoted someone that was confirmed scum from his perspective at one point

Dwlee99 · Post Post #2732 (isolation #95) » Sat Dec 04, 2021 6:13 am

It's weird though because what you're saying is exactly flipped. I DON'T WRITE ALL MY THOUGHTS DOWN

EVER

And Mathblade is someone who actually makes wall posts and writes down tons of thoughts

Dwlee99 · Post Post #2734 (isolation #96) » Sat Dec 04, 2021 6:14 am

I actually specifically, purposefully, DON'T write down all my thoughts because that would reveal to scum how to react to me

Dwlee99 · Post Post #2735 (isolation #97) » Sat Dec 04, 2021 6:14 am

I'm saying that not making sense isn't a scum tell cause it isn't

Dwlee99 · Post Post #2737 (isolation #98) » Sat Dec 04, 2021 6:16 am

It's only a waste of time for you cause I'm clearly correct on you and this back and forth will show that

Dwlee99 · Post Post #2740 (isolation #99) » Sat Dec 04, 2021 6:46 am

Andante is clowning

Dwlee99 · Sat Dec 04, 2021 6:46 am

Andante if you're town what are you doing this game

Dwlee99 · Sat Dec 04, 2021 6:47 am

Do you remember how CONFIDENT OMG FLIP NOW everyone was on gamma

Including you

Where is your self-awareness that you can be wrong or pocketed?

Dwlee99 · Sat Dec 04, 2021 6:47 am

Entering tomorrow with scum!pooky we are completely doomed

Dwlee99 · Sat Dec 04, 2021 6:49 am

In post 2738, Andante wrote:
In post 2736, Fun and Games wrote:this conversation is a waste of time

you r scum goodbye
hahahah that's how I felt talking to dwlee and VP, I just wanna flip dwlee and move on tbh

This totally indicates you reconsidering and not blind jumping into limming people

Dwlee99 · Sat Dec 04, 2021 6:49 am

In post 2746, Andante wrote:at this rate, if pooky is scum, I'm not catching him cause a bunch of people look so bad lol

I already did ffa

Dwlee99 · Sat Dec 04, 2021 6:50 am

Just look at Pooky's progression on me

Dwlee99 · Sat Dec 04, 2021 6:50 am

He pulls me/VP out his ass and then acts like his reasoning is cause I scumread enchant a whole day after he expressed the read

Dwlee99 · Sat Dec 04, 2021 6:51 am

In post 2751, Andante wrote:what? I don't even know what the wagon is, I think you're scum, so I'm voting you, you haven't done anything this game, like, textbook scum, you replaced into a scum slot

You said you're reconsidering but you just want to lim and move on... That isn't reconsidering

Dwlee99 · Sat Dec 04, 2021 6:54 am

You're not even reading my posts reeee

Dwlee99 · Sat Dec 04, 2021 6:55 am

In post 2756, Andante wrote:like now, you feel like scum just spamming

Also meta bad but you could compare this to literally any time I've been run up as any alignment

Dwlee99 · Sat Dec 04, 2021 6:57 am

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=87412

This one's probably the closest to this scenario cause of goats' push on me and my subsequent push back

Dwlee99 · Sat Dec 04, 2021 7:00 am

You've ignored half my posts in the past hour

Dwlee99 · Sat Dec 04, 2021 7:00 am

In post 2750, Dwlee99 wrote:He pulls me/VP out his ass and then acts like his reasoning is cause I scumread enchant a whole day after he expressed the read

Dwlee99 · Sat Dec 04, 2021 7:01 am

Why the fuck are you quoting from day one when I'm talking about you not reading me HERE

Dwlee99 · Sat Dec 04, 2021 7:01 am

Jesus fucking christ

Dwlee99 · Sat Dec 04, 2021 7:02 am

"I'm reconsidering" > blatantly doesn't

Dwlee99 · Sat Dec 04, 2021 7:06 am

When all of the things andante does help scum but they're blatantly town weeooweeoo my brain is a circus

Dwlee99 · Sat Dec 04, 2021 7:35 am

I must have missed your earlier reasoning in the 6 pages of shit slinging I skimmed

Dwlee99 · Sat Dec 04, 2021 7:36 am

In post 2772, Andante wrote:
In post 2766, Dwlee99 wrote:Why the fuck are you quoting from day one when I'm talking about you not reading me HERE
believe it or not, your day 1 alignment is the exact same as your day 3 alignment

Yea but me being lazy early in the game doesn't make me scum

Dwlee99 · Sat Dec 04, 2021 8:55 am

Andante is obviously not scum, I am not pushing there at all

Dwlee99 · Sat Dec 04, 2021 9:27 am

In post 2814, Bingle wrote:
In post 2812, Dwlee99 wrote:Andante is obviously not scum, I am not pushing there at all
Okay. What's your two sentence summary on F/G then?

Pooky is repeating that I'm funny, have jokes, and going "openwolf lol" to me and VP. It's just spam BS on the thread to push a lim through

Dwlee99 · Sat Dec 04, 2021 2:21 pm

In post 2850, Andante wrote:the next 3 people to vote VP are TRed by me

In post 2849, Andante wrote:Bingle, Vote VP please

Dog pls

Dwlee99 · Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:02 pm

In post 2893, Bingle wrote:
In post 2740, Dwlee99 wrote:Andante is clowning

In post 2741, Dwlee99 wrote:Andante if you're town what are you doing this game

In post 2747, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 2738, Andante wrote:
In post 2736, Fun and Games wrote:this conversation is a waste of time

you r scum goodbye
hahahah that's how I felt talking to dwlee and VP, I just wanna flip dwlee and move on tbh
This totally indicates you reconsidering and not blind jumping into limming people

In post 2769, Dwlee99 wrote:When all of the things andante does help scum but they're blatantly town weeooweeoo my brain is a circus
Posts like these. It feels like he’s genuinely scumreading Andante and then remembering “Oh shit I don’t want to lim andante.” And he jumped at me for even being adjacent to considering Andante scum.

I don’t see why he does this as T/S and it doesn’t look like T/T

Andante is blatantly not reading anything I've written and maybe the other ones could be read like I'm scumreading Andante but 2769 is like explicitly saying Andante is blatantly town so idk what you're getting at here

Dwlee99 · Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:03 pm

In post 2902, Fun and Games wrote:it doesnt make any sense for dwlee to claim that he thinks fg is bussing vp baltar but refuse to vote for vp baltar and help vp baltar vote for enchant.

also vp baltar has refused to vote for dwleee and doesnt present any reason to townread dwlee. very similar to the way vp baltar treated the ico/darby slot.

Looks like bussing = scum push

Dwlee99 · Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:04 pm

You're also still ignoring that I can like be unsure of myself at different points? and have different reads as time passes?

Dwlee99 · Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:07 pm

I have a computer so now I can quote how this is BS

In post 2565, Dwlee99 wrote:For Bingle's request:
Andante - I think town for the energy that went into day two, but she has fallen off and I'm less sure of this now. I think her and VP are unlikely to both be scum so a red flip there would secure her as town for me.
Toogeloo - Town cause cop inno
Sleepless Assassin - I don't think I got a chance to see SA before this day phase so they were previously just poe. I want to townread them now just for the wall posts on the associatives but also it's just so much associatives and I want more reasoning from them that isn't fundamentally tied to that before I will feel really good about this slot.

Everyone else I'm big ??????? right now

So that's...

Bingle
Enchant
F&G
VP

I think F&G's push looks like how I bus so?

I say it could be a bus

In post 2578, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 2576, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 2571, Dwlee99 wrote:Maybe

Depends on how Pooky twists my arm
Why would that be a factor if you think F&G is bussing me?
Cause Pooky could be scum without you being scum?

Me furthering that VP and Pooky don't have to be aligned even if Pooky is scum

In post 2639, Dwlee99 wrote:Pooky are you bussing VP. And tell the truth

Here's a question I ask Pooky which gets ignored in the ensuing shit fight

In post 2673, Dwlee99 wrote:VOTE: Enchant

A whole night passes and I have slept and enchant is making bad posts.

And THEN pooky jumps down my throat in reaction. Ignores 2639, ignores all of my posts suggesting it could be a bus, and only when I vote Enchant it's how I'm openwolfing and scum and blablabla chainsawing for enchant super hard

Dwlee99 · Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:08 pm

In post 2909, Fun and Games wrote:
In post 2908, Dwlee99 wrote:You're also still ignoring that I can like be unsure of myself at different points? and have different reads as time passes?
the progression has to make sense for me

i dont see how you got from fg is bussing vp -> enchant is scum

you ninja'd me

Dwlee99 · Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:13 pm

In post 2913, Bingle wrote:
In post 2904, Dwlee99 wrote:Andante is blatantly not reading anything I've written and maybe the other ones could be read like I'm scumreading Andante but 2769 is like explicitly saying Andante is blatantly town so idk what you're getting at here
No, I get that. The frustration part makes sense. The hard townread while simultaneously pseudo casing in a way that doesn’t look like you’re trying to manipulate andante at all is the fucking bizarre part.

I'm not trying to manipulate her, that's why?

Dwlee99 · Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:13 pm

In post 2915, Fun and Games wrote:
In post 2910, Dwlee99 wrote:And THEN pooky jumps down my throat in reaction. Ignores 2639, ignores all of my posts suggesting it could be a bus, and only when I vote Enchant it's how I'm openwolfing and scum and blablabla chainsawing for enchant super hard
rofl

i said vp baltar and dwlee were scum BEFORE you two ever voted for enchant so this is a pretty funny chainsaw defense accusation.

Yea but you ignored me saying you could be bussing until I voted enchant and then you started attacking me directly instead of through VP

Dwlee99 · Sat Dec 04, 2021 8:08 pm

In post 2975, Andante wrote:Actually, unless Dwlee gives content, I might be down to just flip them, cause N_M had nothing, Dwlee nothing....

Holy fuck to this post. Seriously. What the actual fuck

And: contrary to popular belief, skitter repeating my scumread on them is bad WHILE THEY IGNORE THE EXPLANATION THEY ASKED FOR does not make my read on them bad or wrong!

Dwlee99 · Sat Dec 04, 2021 8:09 pm

It's 2am my time and I'm going to bed after I make the rounds

Goooood night everyone, especially andante

Dwlee99 · Sat Dec 04, 2021 8:18 pm

In post 2919, Fun and Games wrote:if you thought i was bussing vp why wouldnt you just vote out vp?

why instead vote for enchant?

Okay one last cause I'm annoyed

I've answered this at least 5 times now

If anyone can bother to read my fucking posts please do

Pooky gets a pass cause he's scum doing this to piss me off on purpose by asking me the same question repeatedly, but for anyone reading this and going "ah yes dwlee needs to answer this question" AHHH

Dwlee99 · Sun Dec 05, 2021 5:03 am

I don't think it is Toog here but can compromise over F&G with enchant

Dwlee99 · Sun Dec 05, 2021 7:35 am

In post 3054, Fun and Games wrote:
In post 3024, Dwlee99 wrote:skitter repeating my scumread on them is bad WHILE THEY IGNORE THE EXPLANATION THEY ASKED FOR
you wanna requote it?

~ skitter

This post

In post 2910, Dwlee99 wrote:I have a computer so now I can quote how this is BS
In post 2565, Dwlee99 wrote:For Bingle's request:
Andante - I think town for the energy that went into day two, but she has fallen off and I'm less sure of this now. I think her and VP are unlikely to both be scum so a red flip there would secure her as town for me.
Toogeloo - Town cause cop inno
Sleepless Assassin - I don't think I got a chance to see SA before this day phase so they were previously just poe. I want to townread them now just for the wall posts on the associatives but also it's just so much associatives and I want more reasoning from them that isn't fundamentally tied to that before I will feel really good about this slot.

Everyone else I'm big ??????? right now

So that's...

Bingle
Enchant
F&G
VP

I think F&G's push looks like how I bus so?
I say it could be a bus
In post 2578, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 2576, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 2571, Dwlee99 wrote:Maybe

Depends on how Pooky twists my arm
Why would that be a factor if you think F&G is bussing me?
Cause Pooky could be scum without you being scum?
Me furthering that VP and Pooky don't have to be aligned even if Pooky is scum
In post 2639, Dwlee99 wrote:Pooky are you bussing VP. And tell the truth
Here's a question I ask Pooky which gets ignored in the ensuing shit fight
In post 2673, Dwlee99 wrote:VOTE: Enchant

A whole night passes and I have slept and enchant is making bad posts.

And THEN pooky jumps down my throat in reaction. Ignores 2639, ignores all of my posts suggesting it could be a bus, and only when I vote Enchant it's how I'm openwolfing and scum and blablabla chainsawing for enchant super hard

Which got this:

In post 2915, Fun and Games wrote:
In post 2910, Dwlee99 wrote:And THEN pooky jumps down my throat in reaction. Ignores 2639, ignores all of my posts suggesting it could be a bus, and only when I vote Enchant it's how I'm openwolfing and scum and blablabla chainsawing for enchant super hard
rofl

i said vp baltar and dwlee were scum BEFORE you two ever voted for enchant so this is a pretty funny chainsaw defense accusation.

In post 2916, Fun and Games wrote:am i now a time traveling bear lolol

But this isn't even a response to what I'm saying. The point is that pooky might have been suggesting we were scum, but when I'm around before then he doesn't interact with me, only linking me to VP to push VP. Then when I vote enchant he THEN starts going head-to-head with me, which is the point of the interaction I'm highlighting. Calling me scum indirectly ("dwlee is VP's partner") is not the same as directly attacking me (which is the interaction after I voted Enchant) which is why I think it's a chainsaw specifically and not just an extension of already saying I'm scum

Dwlee99 · Sun Dec 05, 2021 8:55 am

There is a big difference imo

Like, one is just kinda suggesting I'm scum, the other is a full attempt at discredit which is why it happening in response to my enchant vote is bad

Dwlee99 · Sun Dec 05, 2021 9:02 am

What about my reasoning for voting you do you think is scummy

Saying I'm buddying andante is also funny

Dwlee99 · Sun Dec 05, 2021 10:18 am

In post 3086, Fun and Games wrote:Its functionally omgus and imo incredibly reachy, as i think our push on ico doesnt look anything like a bus

I can look through the interactions with ico but they're not any part of my read on you so idk why it's relevant

You're townreading andante for p meh reasons with what i believe to be the goal of getting her to stop pushing you which seems to have worked since she's fairly chaotic and has already moved on

I'm townreading andante cause <reason> and she's so chaotic and unagenda'd it's obvious

Dwlee99 · Sun Dec 05, 2021 10:19 am

Also like again you can't just call it reachy and make it so

WHY is it reachy

Yes it is some OMGUS but that also is completely valid in this scenario cause of the way you've pushed me not that you scumread me at all

Dwlee99 · Sun Dec 05, 2021 3:17 pm

In post 3139, Sleepless Assassin wrote:I skimmed today's stuff. I'd like to actually catch up but we have a scum claim so there's no sense waiting on me. I'm ready to vote there if everyone else is satisfied ending the day.

I don't like this

Dwlee99 · Sun Dec 05, 2021 3:18 pm

In post 3121, Bingle wrote:
In post 3114, Fun and Games wrote:
In post 3105, Toogeloo wrote:If they flip town, I look worse, you push me tomorrow. If they flip scum, you can push your tinfoil tomorrow.
i mean if they flip town do u accept being the mylo flip tom?

~ skitter
I thought you were talking to ducky for a minute there and got real confused.

My gamestate read, at the moment, is that we’re in a 1 in 1 out scum in {VP/DW/Andante/FG} scenario. There was just too much resistance for too long to looking outside of it for me to think that there are two scum in there actively, unless the team is specifically Andante/Dwlee and their goal was to flip FG and VP sequentially. There are a couple little troubling things that won’t let me take that entirely off of the table, but given Andantes play overall and how everything seems to be shaking, I don’t put much credence into it.

If one in four here it's FG

Dwlee99 · Sun Dec 05, 2021 3:19 pm

In post 3124, Bingle wrote:
In post 3122, Andante wrote:If you're gonna keep calling me maf, I'm just gonna vote you lol

So. Andante Dwlee.

Andante has reevaluated ad nauseam all day and has had solves involving every slot, to the best of my knowledge. However, the only times she's pushed Dwlee seem to match up to when I start considering them as possibly aligned, and even then she drops the read pretty quickly. From a gamestate standpoint, fighting a proxy war with your scumbuddy through two townies is a pretty healthy position to be in as scum this close to MYLO, (for proof of concept, check out the Mini theme from Team mafia this year where shea/FL did basically exactly that FL hiding behind Pine(my team) and Ramcius and Shea hiding behind TSQ.)

But, if we're going here, we're limming Dwlee, not Andante.

Andante could be scum with Dwlee. Dwlee could be scum period.

The latter is always the right choice, just like Shea was always the right choice over Norwee.

Andante just isn't scum here dude how many times do I need to repeat this

Dwlee99 · Sun Dec 05, 2021 3:21 pm

In post 3093, Fun and Games wrote:
In post 3088, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 3086, Fun and Games wrote:Its functionally omgus and imo incredibly reachy, as i think our push on ico doesnt look anything like a bus
I can look through the interactions with ico but they're not any part of my read on you so idk why it's relevant
You're townreading andante for p meh reasons with what i believe to be the goal of getting her to stop pushing you which seems to have worked since she's fairly chaotic and has already moved on
I'm townreading andante cause <reason> and she's so chaotic and unagenda'd it's obvious
So why exactlu are u scumreading us then

I keep repeating this :I

Dwlee99 · Sun Dec 05, 2021 3:21 pm

In post 3094, Fun and Games wrote:
In post 3089, Dwlee99 wrote:Also like again you can't just call it reachy and make it so

WHY is it reachy

Yes it is some OMGUS but that also is completely valid in this scenario cause of the way you've pushed me not that you scumread me at all
Uh explain why we're pushing our partner from p2 and were one of the biggest advocates for flipping him?

I actually still dont get what prompted ur initial read on us

~ Skitter

I'd have to revisit to see how this went down

Dwlee99 · Sun Dec 05, 2021 3:57 pm

Why trust skitter instead of not doing that

Dwlee99 · Sun Dec 05, 2021 4:01 pm

I think FG is scum still

Dwlee99 · Sun Dec 05, 2021 4:02 pm

Bro stop asking me that

Dwlee99 · Sun Dec 05, 2021 4:05 pm

You didnt read my posts then

Dwlee99 · Sun Dec 05, 2021 4:07 pm

Andante you should also try to read my posts

VP do you know why I scumread FG

Dwlee99 · Sun Dec 05, 2021 4:14 pm

In post 3202, Andante wrote:
In post 2639, Dwlee99 wrote:Pooky are you bussing VP. And tell the truth
Dwlee SRs F&G cause they're bussing VP... That's the best I got

No

Dwlee99 · Sun Dec 05, 2021 4:14 pm

Ctrl+f chainsaw to find stuff, I'm on mobile

Dwlee99 · Sun Dec 05, 2021 4:15 pm

In post 3207, Fun and Games wrote:i thought the bussing bit was abt us bussing darby/ico?

~ skitter

It was that I felt your push on VP felt like a scum push but it wasn't clearing for VP

Dwlee99 · Sun Dec 05, 2021 4:15 pm

Cause I already answered and you've asked me multiple times now with me answering each time

Dwlee99 · Sun Dec 05, 2021 4:26 pm

In post 3217, Andante wrote:20 questions for a top SR is putting Dwlee as scummier than VP in my books, like, if F&G is your top SR, shouldn't you convince us to vote them?

I already said this. I'm on mobile. I'm not post crawling right now after I've said this repeatedly already. Like it's not that hard to actually read my posts and what I'm saying, they're right there in my ISO. You could even Ctrl+F the FG slot asking me multiple times why they're scum and me responding

Dwlee99 · Sun Dec 05, 2021 4:27 pm

In post 3219, Fun and Games wrote:
In post 3210, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 3207, Fun and Games wrote:i thought the bussing bit was abt us bussing darby/ico?

~ skitter
It was that I felt your push on VP felt like a scum push but it wasn't clearing for VP
ok if that's been your main reason that's not been obvious to me at all, and why does it feel like a scum push
we didn't push you until well after that so our read on you is irrelevant to this

~ skitter

Main reason has been Pooky jumping on me for voting enchant

The push reasoning was when I was just getting the vibe from the push and I think pooky removed/ignored context to paint VP scum with associatives

Dwlee99 · Sun Dec 05, 2021 4:33 pm

In post 3223, VP Baltar wrote:Just vote me or enchant. This is ridiculous to have another draw out 10 pages of FG & dwlee saying the same things they already said.

In post 3224, Bingle wrote:
In post 3200, Fun and Games wrote:does anyone in this game know why Dwlee scumreads FG?

In post 3027, Bingle wrote:Just gonna go ahead and post this so we can skip 10 more pages of you two saying it back and forth.

In post 2692, Dwlee99 wrote:Basically: Pooky is scum for their push on Baltar, but it could be a bus, so i think it's Pooky/Baltar or Pooky/enchant here

In post 2724, Fun and Games wrote:i said you're scum cuz you voted for enchant while saying you thought fg was bussing vp and that makes no sense lol

Wow some people read

Dwlee99 · Sun Dec 05, 2021 4:36 pm

In post 3225, Fun and Games wrote:
In post 3222, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 3219, Fun and Games wrote:
In post 3210, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 3207, Fun and Games wrote:i thought the bussing bit was abt us bussing darby/ico?

~ skitter
It was that I felt your push on VP felt like a scum push but it wasn't clearing for VP
ok if that's been your main reason that's not been obvious to me at all, and why does it feel like a scum push
we didn't push you until well after that so our read on you is irrelevant to this

~ skitter
Main reason has been Pooky jumping on me for voting enchant

The push reasoning was when I was just getting the vibe from the push and I think pooky removed/ignored context to paint VP scum with associatives

What context did I remove to paint VP Scum?

Pooky do you have amnesia

Dwlee99 · Sun Dec 05, 2021 4:36 pm

Maybe that was too far, sorry

Dwlee99 · Mon Dec 06, 2021 4:41 am

Pooky, multiple times throughout your fight with VP he pointed out ways he thought you ignored context in much of your case

Do you have any thoughts on that

Is it unreasonable for me to think VP is right

Dwlee99 · Mon Dec 06, 2021 4:58 am

In post 3250, VP Baltar wrote:Also, dwlee, why did you ask me to respond to F&G about why you think they're scum?

Also also, do you think I'm incorrect for townreading them at this point?

For my sanity that someone read my posts

And yes I do

Dwlee99 · Mon Dec 06, 2021 9:47 am

In post 3265, Fun and Games wrote:
In post 3222, Dwlee99 wrote:Main reason has been Pooky jumping on me for voting enchant

The push reasoning was when I was just getting the vibe from the push and I think pooky removed/ignored context to paint VP scum with associatives
Ok, a few followups:

- why is bad that pooky was pushing you for voting enchant
- i basically feel like vp is doing exactly what you're accusing pooky of: removing context in order to further a narrative
- remind me: if we're bussing vp why cant you help us do that again?

~ skitter

1.) It was chainsaw
2.) With what?
3.) Probability you're scum and vp is scum is less than probability you're scum

Dwlee99 · Mon Dec 06, 2021 9:47 am

In post 3271, Fun and Games wrote:
In post 3247, Dwlee99 wrote:Pooky, multiple times throughout your fight with VP he pointed out ways he thought you ignored context in much of your case

Do you have any thoughts on that

Is it unreasonable for me to think VP is right
Ok multiple times throughout my fight with vp i pointed out ways i thought he ignored context in much of my case

Do u have any thoughts on that?

~ skitter

I thought VP's argument was better

Dwlee99 · Mon Dec 06, 2021 9:49 am

In post 3301, Fun and Games wrote:Enchant isnt the sort of player to utilize 'reverse psychology' as scum. Like your reasoning makes some level of sense if he's the sort of player to think out his every play but that's not how he's playing. He's impulsive and troll-y. That's exactly the sort of player that lolclaims scum

And i think its really silly to suggest that he saw gamma get into trouble for playing that way and then *choosing to play that way* anyways, just why

Also i've actually seen scum-enchant play, and he took the game rather seriously and less troll-y than he's doung here

@ vp

~ skitter

Metabadmetabadmetabad

I swear every time someone goes "<player> does(n't) do X as <alignment>" not only is meta already bad, I have an example where the opposite is true

White flag mafia Enchant hammered his scum buddy super "lol"y, something Pooky should remember given he lost in ELO by thinking Enchant was town

Dwlee99 · Mon Dec 06, 2021 9:50 am

Hydra read: town!Pooky/skitter would have had that conversation

Dwlee99 · Mon Dec 06, 2021 9:53 am

In post 3318, Fun and Games wrote:1. Chainsaw of enchant? So you're positing that we're scum with enchant?
2. He's repeatedly putting words in my mouth and reframing what i'm saying in the worst possible light. He did ghe former 20 minutes ago on the prior page, for example
3. I thought the whole premise of ur issue with our vp push is that we look like we're bussing him

~ skitter

1.) Possibly, but I think chainsaws are scummy regardless of the person being defended's alignment.
2.) I'll look more closely after Tuesday
3.) Scum push, possibly bussing

Dwlee99 · Mon Dec 06, 2021 9:53 am

In post 3323, Fun and Games wrote:
In post 3319, Dwlee99 wrote:Hydra read: town!Pooky/skitter would have had that conversation
We didnt, and we're town, and I imagine id i were scum with enchant someone would have pointed that out to me before i start defending him

~ skitter

I can't parse the if we were scum part

In post 3324, Fun and Games wrote:
In post 3317, Dwlee99 wrote:White flag mafia Enchant hammered his scum buddy super "lol"y, something Pooky should remember given he lost in ELO by thinking Enchant was town
i spent most of wfm saying enchant was scum and nobody listened to me

i changed my mind at elo because my subconcious trolled me with a dream about a talking dolphin

at no point did i think enchant was town cuz he lol hammered a teammate

But now skitter is saying scum!enchant wouldn't be trolly

Dwlee99 · Mon Dec 06, 2021 9:56 am

In post 3328, Fun and Games wrote:
In post 3284, Fun and Games wrote:
In post 3282, VP Baltar wrote:You're being ridiculous to say scum would never take a flail maneuver to shake heat they are getting for their play.
Hi just gonna point out that this yet again anothet thing i didnt say

~ skitter
Right here dwlee, right here

~ skitter

Okay that's hyperbolic > >

In post 3329, Fun and Games wrote:
In post 3325, Dwlee99 wrote:1.) Possibly, but I think chainsaws are scummy regardless of the person being defended's alignment.
Chainsaw requires the defended person being scum by definition, no?

~ skitter

I don't think so

Chainsaw defense to me means defending by attacking an attacker

Dwlee99 · Mon Dec 06, 2021 9:57 am

In post 3333, Fun and Games wrote:
In post 3330, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 3322, Enchant wrote:Like really, there's almost zero mafia motivation in all my moves.

Unless i am superbusseridiot.
You were the last vote? That's a supremely weak bus
at least hes voted for scum unlike you and dwlee

I am right now

Dwlee99 · Mon Dec 06, 2021 9:57 am

In post 3301, Fun and Games wrote:Enchant isnt the sort of player to utilize 'reverse psychology' as scum. Like your reasoning makes some level of sense if he's the sort of player to think out his every play but that's not how he's playing. He's impulsive and troll-y. That's exactly the sort of player that lolclaims scum

And i think its really silly to suggest that he saw gamma get into trouble for playing that way and then *choosing to play that way* anyways, just why

Also i've actually seen scum-enchant play, and he took the game rather seriously and less troll-y than he's doung here

@ vp

~ skitter

Last paragraph? @skitter

Dwlee99 · Mon Dec 06, 2021 3:24 pm

In post 3339, Fun and Games wrote:
In post 3334, Dwlee99 wrote:Okay that's hyperbolic > >
For me or for vp?

And my understanding of chainsaw was by definition a scum is attacking a town who is attacking a partner
~ skitter

For VP

Dwlee99 · Mon Dec 06, 2021 3:29 pm

As a partial reset: is anyone willing to vote SA here? I think if F&G is town, then enchant could be town, and then I think SA's push on them for the scum claim is extremely shallow

Dwlee99 · Mon Dec 06, 2021 3:37 pm

I didn't think that far ahead

Dwlee99 · Mon Dec 06, 2021 3:56 pm

Do you like, do deep associative analysis on every scumlean you have?

Dwlee99 · Mon Dec 06, 2021 3:58 pm

SA is literally just going "well enchant said he's scum so he we have to lim him"

And enchant has been scummy but like... that read is trash like I said earlier

Dwlee99 · Mon Dec 06, 2021 4:00 pm

I'd bet the game on at least one scum in FG/Enchant/SA atp

Dwlee99 · Mon Dec 06, 2021 4:21 pm

Okay who do you think can't be paired with SA other than Bingle

Dwlee99 · Mon Dec 06, 2021 5:38 pm

Okay SA probably only scum with FG ?

Dwlee99 · Mon Dec 06, 2021 5:39 pm

See and this is why I ask questions

Dwlee99 · Mon Dec 06, 2021 6:04 pm

Not me, I townread toog/andante

Dwlee99 · Mon Dec 06, 2021 6:24 pm

I'd prefer you talked about that instead of the scum claim then cause that's all I remember

Dwlee99 · Tue Dec 07, 2021 2:55 am

In post 3384, Sleepless Assassin wrote:
In post 3383, Dwlee99 wrote:I'd prefer you talked about that instead of the scum claim then cause that's all I remember
No one was reading any of that. I went on and on

Patterns

In post 3385, Toogeloo wrote:
In post 3381, Dwlee99 wrote:Not me, I townread toog/andante
Christmas miracle? Usually you are quite apprehensive of me.

Squid game...?

Dwlee99 · Tue Dec 07, 2021 3:26 pm

In post 3402, Andante wrote:
In post 3367, Dwlee99 wrote:As a partial reset: is anyone willing to vote SA here? I think if F&G is town, then enchant could be town, and then I think SA's push on them for the scum claim is extremely shallow

In post 3373, Dwlee99 wrote:I'd bet the game on at least one scum in FG/Enchant/SA atp

In post 3376, Dwlee99 wrote:Okay who do you think can't be paired with SA other than Bingle

In post 3378, Dwlee99 wrote:Okay SA probably only scum with FG ?
Idk, I could be overthinking it, but the way Dwlee brought up "wanna vote SA" felt pretty odd to me, like I was TRing SA a bunch, the timing of Dwlee bringing it up felt like some kinda distraction? idk how to explain, the whole "I don't think far enough ahead for a possible partner"
the 3 names with "at least one scum" ehhh I tr all 3 of those names at the moment

there's something just off to me, "is anyone willing to vote SA here?" sounds like Dwlee is trying to take initiative in controlling town, directing our votes to a town, and like, we have 0 benefit to limming SA here, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense, unless you've thought ahead to partner stuff

Why would I waste time doing partner analysis when other people already had thoughts on it

But like... you should know I try to direct votes so I don't understand what your problem here is

Dwlee99 · Tue Dec 07, 2021 3:40 pm

In post 3413, Toogeloo wrote:
In post 3411, Sleepless Assassin wrote:
In post 3410, VP Baltar wrote:On enchant and bingle
I really think this is the team
Also how I'd probably lean. I'm not interested in dwlee, and I have felt VP more likely town today.

But, hey, it's Burger King up in this thread.

Isn't enchant an option?

Dwlee99 · Tue Dec 07, 2021 3:46 pm

I can go enchant to compromise cause he makes sense with FG still

I think that would put us at 5?

Dwlee99 · Tue Dec 07, 2021 3:47 pm

Who would be partnered with andante if I'm wrong about my townread reason there

Dwlee99 · Tue Dec 07, 2021 5:01 pm

WHY DO YOU TOWNREAD FG

Dwlee99 · Tue Dec 07, 2021 5:04 pm

In post 3424, Andante wrote:hahahaha I'm the pro scum here

Bingle/Dwlee is my vote for the team

THIS MAKES NO SENSE

Dwlee99 · Tue Dec 07, 2021 5:05 pm

Literally if I'm scum here I just vote one of vp/enchant that is town and sit back and watch y'all fight

Why would I ever fight directly with FG and then bring up SA randomly for their push on enchant

Dwlee99 · Tue Dec 07, 2021 6:10 pm

Why even bring up SA if I'm just trying to end on enchant then

Dwlee99 · Tue Dec 07, 2021 6:10 pm

Like idc who you think I'm partnered with it doesn't make sense

Dwlee99 · Tue Dec 07, 2021 6:12 pm

In post 3434, Enchant wrote:
In post 3432, Dwlee99 wrote:Literally if I'm scum here I just vote one of vp/enchant that is town and sit back and watch y'all fight

Why would I ever fight directly with FG and then bring up SA randomly for their push on enchant
I know how you play as mafia, tactic "Vote and go afk" is for sure not your thing. Even if it was truth, you would be choped for this and thus tried to avert this somehow.

About Bingle... Honestly not sure about him, i am still prefering Dwlee99.

Or the simpler explanation that I'm town ???

Dwlee99 · Wed Dec 08, 2021 3:43 am

In post 3438, Enchant wrote:
In post 3437, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 3434, Enchant wrote:
In post 3432, Dwlee99 wrote:Literally if I'm scum here I just vote one of vp/enchant that is town and sit back and watch y'all fight

Why would I ever fight directly with FG and then bring up SA randomly for their push on enchant
I know how you play as mafia, tactic "Vote and go afk" is for sure not your thing. Even if it was truth, you would be choped for this and thus tried to avert this somehow.

About Bingle... Honestly not sure about him, i am still prefering Dwlee99.
Or the simpler explanation that I'm town ???
Hello, i can pretend doing things too.

Mafia knows that i am not mafia, so sussing people for voting me is pretty valid play, especially if you plan to vote me anyway.

I don't understand this post

Dwlee99 · Wed Dec 08, 2021 5:34 am

In post 3441, Fun and Games wrote:
In post 3435, Dwlee99 wrote:Why even bring up SA if I'm just trying to end on enchant then
I think you're just looking for an easier, doable flip than us

~ skitter

Wouldn't that still just be enchant

Dwlee99 · Wed Dec 08, 2021 5:36 am

So I'm looking for an easy flip other than you, so when VP starts going "me or enchant let's end the day" I start thinking of alternatives instead of just going for enchant there (who you think is town)? How does that make sense?

Dwlee99 · Wed Dec 08, 2021 6:33 am

In post 3441, Fun and Games wrote:
In post 3435, Dwlee99 wrote:Why even bring up SA if I'm just trying to end on enchant then
I think you're just looking for an easier, doable flip than us

~ skitter

This just doesn't make sense, that's my point

Dwlee99 · Wed Dec 08, 2021 6:36 am

If I'm looking for an easy flip, that would be VP or Enchant 100%

Both had sizable wagons, VP was asking for the day to end on one of them.

I've been asking instead to wagon you and then brought up how SA's push has been "enchant claimed scum, flip them"

SA wouldn't be an easy flip because I'm pretty sure they're near-universal town read for their start of day posting, so claiming I'm looking for an easy flip is being unable to read at best or disingenuous at worst

Dwlee99 · Wed Dec 08, 2021 6:38 am

And you can say I'm "angling back to enchant" but like... yea I'll end there if it's between me/them

Dwlee99 · Wed Dec 08, 2021 9:06 am

In post 3450, Fun and Games wrote:
In post 3446, Dwlee99 wrote:If I'm looking for an easy flip, that would be VP or Enchant 100%

Both had sizable wagons, VP was asking for the day to end on one of them.

I've been asking instead to wagon you and then brought up how SA's push has been "enchant claimed scum, flip them"

SA wouldn't be an easy flip because I'm pretty sure they're near-universal town read for their start of day posting, so claiming I'm looking for an easy flip is being unable to read at best or disingenuous at worst
I'm positing that that you're scum with vp, and you dont want to vote him

Enchant, like i said, you're actively pushing for. I was pushing back on enchant, so i think you're looking for other options

~ skitter

There are for sure five votes to make enchant happen. Wagon got to E-2 with multiple saying they wanted votes there. If I wanted day to end there I could have placed my vote there to get Enchant to E-1, but... I didn't. Cause I still think you're more likely scum than them

Dwlee99 · Thu Dec 09, 2021 2:32 am

What even happened yesterday

Dwlee99 · Thu Dec 09, 2021 2:32 am

Bingle really E-1'd me and DIPPED

Dwlee99 · Thu Dec 09, 2021 3:32 am

I think the replace out is NAI (looking at replacement thread)