Open 836: Pick Your Poison (Game Over)

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Heya all!
VOTE: dats

I have slight townpings on all who have posted thus far!

@ss i am vla on Fridays and saturdays

~ skitter

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its all fun and games until skitter and pooky are a scum hydra

is that the case here?

no

?
~ skitter

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Ico feels weird

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Ico feels weird

and?

Idk if there's an 'and' yet, was making an observation

~ skitter

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Pooky, on a scale of 1-10, how much do you want to fight me after Hidden Temple?

Skitter turned me into a Better Bear and now I do not feel the need to maul/fight/murder people.

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Datisi feels kinda townie

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top

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wow datisi

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do you have a solid ico read yet or what

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you have one job datisi

one job

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So. I FINALLY got to open the setup wiki page (by chance) and discovered it's not the setup I had in mind!!

So.. what is the name of the setup where Town started with 2 PRs and for every PR scum picks for themselves (up to 3) Town gains an additional PR??

P.S. Not trying to "townslip". Genuine question though. Consider it NAI

r u talking about that dumb game where Something Scum shot me in the face

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Ico feels weird

and?

Idk if there's an 'and' yet, was making an observation

~ skitter

felt like shade to me

Why
Also u kinda feel like that normal where i was scum with u and u got caught super fast

~ skitter

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It's also a pain that the search function doesn't work when I try to use it on my own topics. Like -for example- if I search "skitter" in my own topics it says nothing found, but if I go to skitter's topics and searcj for my name it does show the games we were in together.

P-Edit: Maybe.. hold on. Yeh looks like it.. although I thought that one had a BG in it. *Sigh* DO NOT GET OLD, guys.

We played that one a bunch and iirc in at least one iteration u were a bg!

Also i think ur town!

~ skitter

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Jingle's probably correct with all the mechanics stuff but its utterly nai

@jingle why are u voting us

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Yes! Pooky picked out a great one!

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i am sad nobody tried to interact with my "i have scumpings on someone" post.

it was VOTE: enchant

this is where i would say "mindmeld with baltar, he's probably town", but then i remembered what logic my brain came up with for this scumping, so it's probably not a mindmeld.

for whoever played in the pyp i modded recently, does enchant's intro here have weird vibes that remind of their intro there or am i imagining it

also gamma sounds kinda flat to me right now

I like vp rn
I dont know abt the pyp u modded but enchant does feel different than radio buzz, in ehich they were scum. I'm not sure how tellijg that is tho, cuz they repped intona scumslot

So far nothing is particularly pinging me on them rn tho

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Who the hell is jingle.

Bingle, sorry

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Would it be wrong to townblock Datisi/Icon/VP already?

Ico yes

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oh, oh, skitt, why is a50 town?

i'll probably stop pestering everyone after this, for now

I dont know how to explain it, he doesn't feel like scum-him rn

~ s

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i am the only person here allowed to pocket skitter

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Serious

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pooky was late

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POOKY WAS LATE?

VOTE: Pooky

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And Enchant getting pressure like this early I think is town-indicating for him ngl

why is that?

pedit: uh oh

this made me lol

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Bingle is still town though. My authenticity meter is good. Don't be jealous

I'm almost tempted to policy bingle just to see if Baltar is right

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maybe scum baltar is baiting me

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good thing my better half will keep my terrible impulses in check

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Skitter's posting feels tonally off. Not like her usual self. Kinda awkward.

she sounds like a radiant beacon of towniness to me.

what game are you reading sheesh

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i'm not sure that meme of a game is the perfect example to be drawing these conclusions from

but i am personally more interested in how you were thinking that enchant is more likely to receive pressure as town, while they were being pressured by two people you put into your townblock

Think of how long it took to actually get the wagon on enchant to be a thing in HoS_S, that’s what I’m basing this on, him getting wagoned early is a towntell and despite it not going very far I saw seed for it starting to happen

I would've liked to see how much further it went

calling it this early makes it feel a lot less AI.

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See, you clearly lied to me on my fight question.

I mean I'm always up for a fight if I'm on main acc but skitter is an angel and I am not going to embarrass her by getting into a random fight lol

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i dunno scum enchant is p passive afair

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why r u so obsessed with fighting with me lol

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yes but you see little glimmers of towniness eventually when he is town

just gotta give it some time

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VOTE: Fun and games

Serious vote.

Why? I remember you were in Betrayal

Skitter

always

scumreads me and pooky was late to the thread despite being around.

Well this time u havent done anything scummy really, i just dont think you've done anything townie either yet

Also i think cakez is probably town

~ skitter

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oh, oh, skitt, why is a50 town?

Hush! I managed to pocket skitter for once and you're trying to extract her out from the pocket???

i am the only person here allowed to pocket skitter

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A50 feels town. Gamma feels town. Baltar feels town.

disagree with gamma

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@skitt, is there a reason you haven't changed your vote yet

@cakez, do you wanna fuckin go

Uh mostly cuz i was at work and wasnt paying so much attention like ~holistically~

UNVOTE:

Idk if i scumread anyone exactly yet but the people pinging me the most rn are ico and gamma

~ skitter

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I'm also getting some scumpings from penguin but its probably like too early to commit to that read just yet

~ skitter

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Gamma kinda looks like he's wk-ing enchant

The defense is weird but doesnt feel partner-y to me exactly

Pedit he isnt exuding 'ugh i utterly hate posting' with his every post, he seems like he actually is enjoying being here

~ skitter

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Also i hope everything is going ok cakez!

~ skitter

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Dats how are you reading ico rn?

~ skitter

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Can you elaborare a little more on what u mean by worried?

~ skitter

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I'm also getting some scumpings from penguin but its probably like too early to commit to that read just yet

~ skitter

say it ain't so : <

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What what do you think I hope to get out of “white knighting” enchant, skitter?

No idea, that's just the vibe i get

~ skitter

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Can you elaborare a little more on what u mean by worried?

~ skitter

not really since i want to again pick up that conversation with ico as soon as possible and i'd want to read his pure responses to it. you can ask me later if you want.

K
I have some thoughts on this but i guess i'll wait until that interaction happens

~ skitter

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i know >.> i'm trying really hard not to go all in on that rn

@ sleepless assassin before i vote ico i wanna see how the dats/ico interaction plays out

want to do this now

VOTE: dunn

~ skitter

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i don't think you had posted at that point ...

~ skitter

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He did post "Hi" at that point

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not sure if Dunn has a good faith reason to expect Skitter to have slight townpings on him for posting "Hi"

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Dunn do you only say Hi when you're town?

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Pengy why does my favorite tiger think you might be bad -.-

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lol

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Skitter also says lol but she's too busy playing with this cute kitty cat to come say it herself

also she says you're mafia :3

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here is a cat gif to compensate for her absence:

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He did post "Hi" at that point

ok but i didn't remember him doing that and i definitely wasn't thinking of him when i wrote that

@dunn did u think i was townpinging u at that point, and why are you voting us
and i think your penguin vote is underwhelming

~ skitteR

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@dunn did u think i was townpinging u at that point

~ skitter

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VOTE: Fun and Games

Serious vote?

311-313 felt like they were preempting their argument in a scummy way

I took your post at face value and am not interested in discussing how actually you meaning something else is my fault.

ok so the argument you're making to vote me is:
- i voted you
- because i changed my mind from my initial townping on you off of your 'hi' post with little reasoning
- even though i'm saying that i wasn't including you in that original 26
- and that me pointing that out is scummy (and if this isn't what you mean by 'preempting their argument in a scummy way' idk what you're trying to say in 326)

is that right?

like i feel like if you think i'm scummy for reversing the townping, the normal reaction upon me saying 'oh i wasn't including you in that post' would be to go 'oh ok now i realize you weren't reversing an initial townping then' vs going 'oh you're scummy for pointing that out'

~ skitteR

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that was soemwhat convoluted and i'm not sure i got my point across well

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I took your post at face value and am not interested in discussing how actually you meaning something else is my fault.

This was Dunnstral's first and only post of the game:



Dunnstral did not interact with anyone when skitter posted:



Which was about the conversation on page 1.

Is it reasonable for Dunnstral to believe that his post actually town~pinged skitter ?

I have trouble seeing it.

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yea she was impressed you caught him so fast

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skitt, what's your read on me right now? assuming it's not also on standby while we wait for ico.

and, when you said that i have an extremely good read on ico in that last mini, were you being genuine, or?

Its on standby while we wait for ico, and yes

Also i'm not really liking what enchant is choosing to comment on

~ skitter

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I mean you can talk abt things without having direct questions asked of you

But ok: do you have any reads you'd like to share?

~ skitter

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and, when you said that i have an extremely good read on ico in that last mini, were you being genuine, or?

Also why are you asking this ?
Do you think i *shouldnt* think you're good at reading ico?

~ skitter

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Ok then

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VOTE: Fun and games

Serious vote.

Why? I remember you were in Betrayal

Skitter

always

scumreads me and pooky was late to the thread despite being around.

Well this time u havent done anything scummy really, i just dont think you've done anything townie either yet

Also i think cakez is probably town

~ skitter

I'm not sure what else you were expecting

Also sleepless assassin is fine ino

~ skitter

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I'm not sure what else you were expecting

Either pressure for the things I’m doing or an explanation of why you had the townpings when you’ve never been good at recognizing town me would be cool.

I liked the lighthearted tone on the firsf page (posts 6 and 12 in particular)

It wasnt a strong read in any way, but it was enuf to mention on p2, and i try to share my early thoughts and pings cuz it gets the game moving and generates content (see for example how much we're now talking about 26)

That was basically the depth of the thought, i dont really have an explanation for the ping beyond 'like the early vibes' and there want much else to it. I'm also aware its something you can fake so like i'm not giving this thought much weight, now you're kinda just null

I dont really see anything scummy that i particularly want to pressure either rn

~ skitter

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Skirts has felt very reactive and off this game

I think reactive is someehat fair, not sure that translates to being 'off' tho

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Now I need to fake some reads, don't I??

OK..

Almost50
VP Baltar
Bingle
Fun and Games (skitter30 & PookyTheMagicalBear)
PenguinPower
Datisi

Then everyone else

so fake lol

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A50 like 80% town.

Oh, I fooled Bingle too. This is HILARIOUS. My Scum game must've improved a ton or two already.

if a50 is actually somehow mafia here this is going to be awesome >.>

Pockit'd

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I kinda feel stuck in limbo waiting for this Dats/Ico thing to pan out.

Why

~ skitter

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and, when you said that i have an extremely good read on ico in that last mini, were you being genuine, or?

Also why are you asking this ?
Do you think i *shouldnt* think you're good at reading ico?

~ skitter

i'm asking because i didn't want to take it at face value, considering you said it while you were scum. and i wanted to avoid potential future scenarios where you go "yes dats, i know you said you think ico is X but i didn't actually think you're good at reading him when i said it so i will now rather push Y".

No, i really do think you're very good at reading ico, and that is playing into how i'm reading you + him

Want to see that interaction plays out before i say where exactly i'm going with this tho

~ skitter

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Dats how are you reading ico rn?

~ skitter

i think 90 is still an up-to-date post on that, i'll get back to you when i have something solid

ico, are you really surprised that i expected to have a read on you by this point?

@skitts: This feels like it’s going somewhere and I don’t want to step in it and taint the read, but it’s going somewhere really slowly.

Ah i think i misunderstood what you meant by limbo, i thought you meant like game-wide and not just on dats/ico

~ skitter

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Can you cite some other examples where you think skitter has been reactive?

It’s more a pattern thing than a specific example thing. I suppose I can go look for why I feel that way in the first place, but my impression is that most of her play has been based around other people interacting with her and each other rather than her reaching out and poking others. Do you think that isn’t accurate? Why?

Yes, i agree that you can read my play that way. Why is this scummy tho?

~ skitter

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Yes, i agree that you can read my play that way. Why is this scummy tho?

Not so much scummy as weird. I don’t ave a strong read on you either way, but I do have a “this is weird” read and I’m trying to work out why. S’kinda why I want to find the time to have a back and forth.

Oh i didn't realize you wanted a back and forth eith me, thought u wanted one with other people about me

Well i'm at work now and will be a little busy tonight but when i have some time tonight will check in and let you know, might be kinda late tho

~ skitter

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I'm not convinced enchant is scum

~ skitter

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Gamma kinda looks like he's wk-ing enchant

The defense is weird but doesnt feel partner-y to me exactly

Pedit he isnt exuding 'ugh i utterly hate posting' with his every post, he seems like he actually is enjoying being here

~ skitter

I believe this answers both

~ skitter

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I have my phone back now and they did a great job fixing it and this weekend is gonna be awesome so things are looking up hopefully!

And yay!

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Why do u townread penguin?

And wrt enchant: he's kinda not doing himself any favors, and isnt really trying to make himself 'seem popular' so to speak. Like he's being kinda contrary, almost on purpose, and i think he can tell how that's being perceived, and i think most scum would try to tone that down to get people off of their backs

Like he's behaving in a way that wont make people townread him, and even tho people are scumreading him, isnt changing that, when i think scum would try to modulate their behavior

~ skitter

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Why is vp even being voted rn?

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the above post should not be taken as me scumreading either of those slots, i am currently townleaning gamma and [redacted] on pooky/skitt

but yeah

I am curious

~ skitter

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the above post should not be taken as me scumreading either of those slots, i am currently townleaning gamma and [redacted] on pooky/skitt

but yeah

I am curious

~ skitter

[on standby until her standby read on me and ico is revealed] is more accurate, but [redacted] sounds cooler

Ah fair enuf

~ skitter

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i think tonally he feels like town-him fwiw

~ skitter

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@Bingle i'll be around for like an hour now, unfortunately dont think i willbe after that until Saturday night

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Not a great vote tbh

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Skitter and sassin are giving me weird feels, but I can’t really figure out why.

SLA in particular is making it really easy to engage though, so I have high hopes for solving.

VPs take that Dunn might be under the radar scum matches what I feel about that slot atm, and he’s had some pretty weird interactions. (Skitter is scum for not seriously townreading Dunn’s “hi” post? Huh?)

I'm trying to engage with you
Also why are you liking vp's take on dunn without mentioning mine/ours, when the thing ur citing as not liking from dunn is why we're voting him ...

~ skitter

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yes but you see little glimmers of towniness eventually when he is town

just gotta give it some time

has there ever been a game where the 2 of you don't scumread me? ever?

That post was abt enchant, and i dont think i always scumread you ...

~ skitter

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VOTE: Dunn

i'll be back after the weekend with more.

Good vote

Bingle would u vote dunn too?

~ skitter

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Kk good to know
I want to keep the pressure on dunn to see what he does, but we can do gamma after

~ Skitter

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Ico felt a little weird and flat, ya, but idk if that's cuz he's scum or cuz he's busy irl

~ skitter

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Also is anyone else finding bingle to be kinda weird?

~ skitter

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@Datisi what's your read of Ico rn?

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@Datisi what's your read of Ico rn?

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ok what do you think of 508 -> 519

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just initial gut reaction to reading those posts

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you don't have to give me a phd dissertation

just initial feels

also this is pooky :3

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lol wut

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yoink

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Like Ico's thread re-entry feels super weird to me.

It's difficult for me to believe it's like a real stream of consciousness catchup, it feels manufactured and fakey.

but you have more experience with Ico than I do, so I'm asking you what you think of the way he re-entered the thread.

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like do you actually think he's been gone and decided to do a ~ 1 hr catchup and posted those thoughts?

or do you think he's been reading along, didn't feel like posting cuz ~reasons~, saw the thread timer nearing 48h, and then blasted some "thoughts" into the thread before slapping his vote somewhere and ghosting for the weekend

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Essentially I'm asking you if anything in the 809->819 catchup feels like Ico!town genuinely catching up to thread and not ico!scum going through the motions.

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gosh I guess i'll have to metadive Ico myself huh

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cuz reading his catchup it reminded me of that time ico/me were scum together in kids with lungs and the dude would basically lurk and then "catchup" in "bursts" where he would post like 20 times in a row and not actually interact with the thread in any way.

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And uh dats the fact that you're kinda meh/not really commenting on ico is a bit worrying for me

~ skitter
(Rest of these posts are pooky)

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It looks partner-y to me
Independntly of the ico stuff i kinda like your posting this game, but if ico is scum the way you're interacting with him looks like a partner trying to keep the heat off of him

Also i kinda feel like you *should* have some sort of thought on him by now

.~ skitter

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I'm presently suspicious of ico (possibly dats), bingle, dunn, and gamma emerald

Penguin still feels weird as well

~ skitter

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Slightly skeeved out and moderately confused. Thinking about switching to ico dependkng on how this convo with dats pans out

You have some partner equity with dunn imo fwiw

Plz no more votes on dunn rn

~ skitter

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It's actually strange how townreads turned scumreads after voting dunn.
Or did you suspect Bingle, Ico and Gamma before? Because i kinda didn't.

Yes

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It looks partner-y to me
Independntly of the ico stuff i kinda like your posting this game, but if ico is scum the way you're interacting with him looks like a partner trying to keep the heat off of him

Also i kinda feel like you *should* have some sort of thought on him by now

.~ skitter

Dats do u have a response to this?
~ skitter

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Dats how are you reading me now btw?

~ skitter

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I could dig it. That was like the scummiest “This is TvT” I’ve ever seen.

Not sure how I feel about F&G pushing Gamma for defending you when I did basically the same thing for the same reasons and pushing Dunn for having a weak reason to read them while I literally cited Pooky not being around. Skirts has felt very reactive and off this game and I kind of want to spend some time talking reads there, but I don’t know when I’ll be available to real time talk.

I kinda feel stuck in limbo waiting for this Dats/Ico thing to pan out.

Someone asked me for reads but I don’t see it skimming back.

A50 is a strong townread. Vp and enchant both seem town, but I could be wrong. I still need to find the time to check dats’ linked meta, but I’m getting the same energy from WYLTBMH from enchant specifically.

Skitter and sassin are giving me weird feels, but I can’t really figure out why. SLA in particular is making it really easy to engage though, so I have high hopes for solving.

VPs take that Dunn might be under the radar scum matches what I feel about that slot atm, and he’s had some pretty weird interactions. (Skitter is scum for not seriously townreading Dunn’s “hi” post? Huh?)

The fact I don’t have any other real scumreads makes me think I’m missing something big though.

@ bingle, you're basically calling out dunn for similar reasons that i am, but dont like me doing it, and while you're putting dunn in your sus list didnt really seem interested in voting him

~ skitter

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however, if he truly didn't remember that i was scum in 2195, and wasn't thinking of that game at all, then i'm not sure just how much of this scumcase is valid. typing it out, i do like it again, but ehhh.

If he doesn't remember playing those games i'm not sure thks whole case is super scum-indicative tbh

And it makes sense to have paranoia 2 weeks after playing with scum-you, not having paranoia about a game he doesn't remember happening makes sense as well

~ skitter

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but i don't think that really works since in that scenario you'd know i'm town, and that i'm likely to make it very obvious that i'm not aligned with scum!ico by murdering him once he comes back

I mean the part where you dont seem to be that interested in murdering him is whag's worrying me

And i feel like outside of ico, your questions + wim + thought processes are dwcent

~ skitter

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if i definitely declare my read on ico one way or another now, and i'm wrong, it's going to be extremely hard to correct it later.

ok but you didn't have any trouble nailing him to a wall and murderifying him the last time he was scum(and that was like 5 hours into the game?) and you were town so uh, can you see why we are worried about your noncommitment here?

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I guess it is somewhat unfair for us to hold you to the standard of "Datisi, Glorious Dragon Slayer of Legend"

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I mean it'd be unfair if Ico hasn't done anything for you to nail him with but he reads as kinda scummy to us so we're confused why you don't see it too?

but you have more experience with him then we do so...

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but more in a sense that you're not pushing other people and I'm not sure how I feel about that than that I dislike the push itself.

I am pushing other people ...

~ skitter

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I don't recommend eliminating me

Who do you recommend eliminating?

Fun and Games or PenguinPower

And what do u think abt the other votes on your wagon

~ skitter

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I dont like dunn's reason for voting us, and i also dont like that he's choosong not to engage with us about it

~ skitter

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I dont like dunn's reason for voting us, and i also dont like that he's choosong not to engage with us about it

~ skitter

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Ok i think that's a scummy reaction then

~ skitter

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Is there any particular reason you snipped the context that that was explaining a post literally half the game before it and presented it as though I was saying you're not pushing people right now?

I didnt realize that that was the crux of your argument in 352

Also i didnt really have anything to say at the time about your vote, so i didnt

Now i do think your reasons for being sus of us are silly and shallow

~ skitter

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I dont think i'm trying to say that you're trying to flip us at all, that's partly why i didnt feel like i had much to say about your vote.

And i get that that you're saying i feel weird, which i also recognize is not the same that as you explicitly calling us scum, but when you talk about your view of the game and who you scumread, you talk about us in the same convo as your scumreads, which is where i'm getting that vibe from (503). So i dont think me reading it that way is entirely unreasonable

Also i dont get what your complaint is that pooky wasnt here for a particular part of the game

I dont particularly agree with a50's gamma case, but i beliebe that a50 believes it, and i feel that gamma is independantly scummy

~ skitter

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Also i dont get what your complaint is that pooky wasnt here for a particular part of the game

I thought he was just joking lol

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He's referenced it several times, o thought it was serious

~ skitter

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he is not great at comedy

you would think he'd stop beating a dead horse

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I thought it was strange and noteworthy that you were pushing Dunn over a flimsy vote on you when you were ignoring my own flimsy vote on you.

you're third in post count and engaging the game state in multiple ways.

Dunn is dead last and barely playing.

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Fair at this point, but when you started pushing Dunn I had mostly been memeing. I don't actually think I'd posted content other than my obligatory mechspeak or the flimsy vote on you with the flimsy logic before I started wondering why you weren't concerned about it.

ok and at that point dunn had like 3? posts.

we didn't really push dunn until he reacted to our vote hella scummily with a "why r u readflipping on me"

which makes no sense to us because I don't see how he really thinks skitter was townreading him on "hi"

I thought your flimsy vote on us was either a joke or fishing for scum oppurtunism and I could see maybe you were possibly up to something and I might as well let you do what you want to do and see how it shakes out - whereas dunn was not doing much if anything?

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And the Pooky thing was a slightly more than RVS but less than real reads thing where I knew he was nominally around the site but he didn't check into the thread, and I think it's marginally more likely that scum would wait to get on the same page as their partner than town would. I haven't been pushing it because I think the other explanation (he was busy with other things) is equally likely in this case.

I was moderately drunk and basically decided to fulfill my mod duties and then pass out asleep

I did send skitter some pictures of this amazing dinner I had :3

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the flimsy vote on you with the flimsy logic before I started wondering why you weren't concerned about it.

Because its a flimsy vote with flimsy logic at a stage of the game where that vote wasn't gonna matter too much, i wasn't concerned about it and didnt have much thoughts on it

And ok i read 503 and me/sa being included in your scumreads

And r.e. pooky i think the game you're referencing was him modding, which i'm not sure is in the dame like 'bucket' so to speak for ellitell purposes

~ skitter

[Fun and Games]

Fair enuf!

what are your present thoughts on gamma and penguin?
(And i would ask abt ico/dats as well but i believe u said u were waiting there)

~ skitter

[Fun and Games]

I mean i still think dunn is scummy and think it's a good vote, but it is possible i was reading too much into you're saying i was being weird

Not sure i feel better abt u tho, if we can talk abt other slots when you have a chance that would help some!

But g'night if you're going to sleep now!

~ skitter

[Fun and Games]

Thanks that's helpful, outside of u and dunn those are the slots i am worried abt the most tbh

I dont think we're gonna get much else out of dunn for now

Want to try this now

VOTE: gamma

[Fun and Games]

>.>

[Fun and Games]

Gamma did u like see my vote on the prior page ... ?

~ skitter

[Fun and Games]

I could combat this wagon but idek what to even argue
so I'm just gonna do my own fucking thing until I die ig

Well i kinda wanted to see your reaction

Can i give me a quick summary of where you're at this game?

~ skitter

[Fun and Games]

And well who are your scumreads?

[Fun and Games]

UNVOTE:

I changed my mind

[Fun and Games]

Sa gamma wasnt close to dying when you made that post

~ skitter

[Fun and Games]

E2, dunn wasnt voting you

But i suppose my point is moot if you thought it was e1

[Fun and Games]

Hmm actually i'm not sure how to read this if u thought u were at e1,sa's assessment is ok then

I'm leaning towards town but i'm not sure
~ skitter

[Fun and Games]

Gamma Emerald - idk
Almost50 - townie
PenguinPower -scummy
Not_Mafia - hard null
SirCakez - probably town
Dunnstral - scummy
Sleepless Assassin - nulltown
Fun and Games (skitter30 & PookyTheMagicalBear) - dhining beacon of towniness
Bingle - idk
VP Baltar - townie
Datisi - townie if you exclude the icky ico associatives
Iconeum - scummy
Enchant - idk, leaning towards town

~skitter

[Fun and Games]

What are yours

~ skitter

[Fun and Games]

Right, i want to know where they diverge

~ skitter

[Fun and Games]

That's my list, not pooky's, and i dont believe we talked abt a read on you

~ skitter

[Fun and Games]

I'm not convinced enchant is scum

~ skitter

Why do u townread penguin?

And wrt enchant: he's kinda not doing himself any favors, and isnt really trying to make himself 'seem popular' so to speak. Like he's being kinda contrary, almost on purpose, and i think he can tell how that's being perceived, and i think most scum would try to tone that down to get people off of their backs

Like he's behaving in a way that wont make people townread him, and even tho people are scumreading him, isnt changing that, when i think scum would try to modulate their behavior

~ skitter

~ skitter

[Fun and Games]

Datisi - townie if you exclude the icky ico associatives

i am annoyed by this

i don't particularly think it makes skitter *scummy* since i struggle to see the scum!motivation behind this read, but i'm just personally annoyed, does scum!me really usually have reads on my partner be *that* sloppy?

Sorry, i'm not trying to be annoying :/

And this isnt like 'clean' partner play either, but i'm really struggling to understand why town-you isnt pushing ico more

~ skitter

[Fun and Games]

skitt, can you convince me baltar is town?

I really like his earlygame, there was such clear obvtownie posting, and the way he was approachinf things was just ... great

Tbf the read is now fading a bit

What are your thoughts on penguin?

~ skitter

[Fun and Games]

I agree that you’d probably have a more nuanced read/plan by now if you/ico was S/S though.

i suppose this is fair
i'm having a very hard time seeing dats/ico being tvt tho

~ skitter

[Fun and Games]

Vote Iconeum

Can we just do this? It feels like there's more support for it than the votes have suggested so far and usually when I get that feeling, it turns out I'm voting scum.

i'm very interested in this, we're just waiting for one thing to happen first before we vote there

~ skitter

[Fun and Games]

PenguinPower -scummy

Why

not being townie, but specifically what that includes: having a lighter iso for him, not really trying to move the game along, making meh 'popular' votes when i'm not convinced he's actaully scumreading the people he's voting

~ skitteR

[Fun and Games]

i'm potentially changing my mind on gamma again

~ skitter

[Fun and Games]

i'm kinda vacillating on whether town-or-scum gamma is more likely to have a very apathetic response to being wagoned rn

ahhhhhhhhh

~ skitter

[Fun and Games]

VOTE: penguin

[Fun and Games]

Pooky gonna be mad at you.

I could never be mad at skitter :3

[Fun and Games]

it's like win-win for me

either pengy flips mafia or

skitter finally misreads pengy so I can maybe take the crown of "best penguin reader" from her at some point

[Fun and Games]

which game

[Fun and Games]

i mean if this is the 2nd time then I'd get the crown from her if you flip green this game :3

[Fun and Games]

>.>

~ skitter

[Fun and Games]

Eh. You’ve misread me more than twice.

pretty sure i've only misread you once in my entire life

[Fun and Games]

PenguinPower -scummy

Why

not being townie, but specifically what that includes: having a lighter iso for him, not really trying to move the game along, making meh 'popular' votes when i'm not convinced he's actaully scumreading the people he's voting

~ skitteR

@penguin what do u think of my assessment?

~ skitter

[Fun and Games]

Ok i'll drop the iso thing for now

But i think the moving the game along is very relevant, even for day1, like you dont feel like you're posting with purpose, and its pinging me

You voted gamma while other people were sus of him, and iirc dunn while i was calling him out, and i dont think you've been transparent about why you're voting the way you are at all

I have no idea why you're doing anything you're doing, you're very opaque rn

~ skitter

[Fun and Games]

Do you scumread either of them?

~ skitter

[Fun and Games]

I feel like you're being more opaque than usual cuz at least i can usually see some glimmer of like a scumread or a thought process behind the people you're voting instead of just voting the most popular wagon

I cant tell if you have any thoughts whatsoever on either or if you're just voting cuz other people are
(And in your towngames, i tend to see the former even as you build wagons)

~ skitter

[Fun and Games]

VOTE: Penguin_Power

Boring Iso

VOTE: dunn

VOTE: Gamma

what made you switch your vote away from dunn?

No competing wagon against Dunn and he was the closest.

VOTE: Gamma

I have compiled every time you've mentioned dunn or gamma until this convo
(+ i suppose you said my reads werent bad when i called them both idk/scummy)

Pedit ok why are they scummy? (If you're referring tk your comment on my reads)

~ skitter

[Fun and Games]

For all i know you're making up stuff cuz it was convenient for you to vote there at those times

Like there's no reason for me to believe these are real reads you have
~skitter

[Fun and Games]

Alright skitter. That’s bs and you know but whatever.

K

[Fun and Games]

Alright skitter. That’s bs and you know but whatever.

skitts has no incentive to fake suspicion of you buddy <3

you are still best bird in our hearts

[Fun and Games]

Well she’s ignoring a plethora of past precedent so…….ok.

*takes a deep breath*

~ skitter

[Fun and Games]

That's incredibly reductive

~ skitter

[Fun and Games]

and the way you seem to be forcing Datisi in taking a stance on me feels off as well. you know that he's capable of reading me, yet you keep forcing the issue

so you are saying town!me would not try to get Datisi to take a stance on you because ?

[Fun and Games]

you say i feel weird to you because i posted in bursts, which i did in a scumgame. Not gonna deny that part, but you should also have seen me do that in towngames as well. Because it's nai.

I actually haven't seen you post in non interactive bursts in a towngame before.

Do you have an example of you posting in a 10+ post burst in a town game for me to look at?

[Fun and Games]

ofcourse you would, but i feel you would be less pushy about it
i dont see a benefit in forcing the matter for town!you

Sorting you/him is part of solving the game.

[Fun and Games]

ofcourse you would, but i feel you would be less pushy about it
i dont see a benefit in forcing the matter for town!you

Sorting you/him is part of solving the game.

i mean

yeah
that's the game ain't it

the question is why you are so adamant on *forcing* a read out of a player, rather then seeing it come naturally

I see behavior from you that looks scummy

I ask Datisi about a read on you because I know he is fairly good at reading you, probably better than me as a second point of reference.

Why would I not ask him?

[Fun and Games]

you say i feel weird to you because i posted in bursts, which i did in a scumgame. Not gonna deny that part, but you should also have seen me do that in towngames as well. Because it's nai.

I actually haven't seen you post in non interactive bursts in a towngame before.

Do you have an example of you posting in a 10+ post burst in a town game for me to look at?

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... ct[]=31100

first towngame i found randomly going through the list, already shows me doing that

reading your iso from this game

the way you catch-up initially is much more interactive and you do actually talk to people...

here you just post a string and then dip so it's not exactly the same thing?

[Fun and Games]

Fun and Games' scumread on me feels really weak. They are pushing Datisi as associative with me because they know i'm yeetbait and the *one* thing standing in their way for easy achievement of that is Datisi townreading me

So this could literally be scum!Fun and Games (damn that name, i tried abreviating that) pushing town!tisi into some sort of corner with regards to my slot, trying to 1) make sure there's no town!tisi defending me and 2) stopping potential town cohesion from forming

Uh that's pretty likely to backfire on me, no? If dats eventually comes to the conclusion you're town, wont he be sus of me for this whole thing?
~ skitter

[Fun and Games]

and the way you seem to be forcing Datisi in taking a stance on me feels off as well. you know that he's capable of reading me, yet you keep forcing the issue

so you are saying town!me would not try to get Datisi to take a stance on you because ?

ofcourse you would, but i feel you would be less pushy about it
i dont see a benefit in forcing the matter for town!you

He's good at reading you, and you're a slot that i'm concerned about, so:
- i wanted to hear his opinion
- its worrying when *he* wasnt worried

~ skitter

[Fun and Games]

Scummy
Dunn
GE
VP
Fun and Games

I'm also scumreading 2/3 of the other names in this list ...

And vp iirc was as well

~ skitter

[Fun and Games]

I want to see a vc but probably voting ico

~ skitter

[Fun and Games]

Ok why is that more likely to come from scum-me truing to misflip you vs town-me wanting to get a better read on you ?

Ok work now later

~ skitter

[Fun and Games]

there's 0 or maybe 1 vote on me I think

so you can just go ahead and vote me

I think there's at least 3 or 4

~ skitter

[Fun and Games]

Ok why is that more likely to come from scum-me truing to misflip you vs town-me wanting to get a better read on you ?

Ok work now later

~ skitter

because it feels manipulative, town!you doesn't need a solid read on me on day 1, and scum!you can use the easy misyeet

I mean you're suspicious so yeah i'm gonna push you, i'm not going to just ignore it because 'well i dont *need* a solid read on you day1'

Like what do you think town-me should be doing here

~ skitter

[Fun and Games]

VOTE: ico

Why did you switch off of the bigger gamma wagon?

VOTE: iconeum
I'm gonna throw my old townblock out the window and make a new one with

blackjack and hookers

cakez, enchant, f&g, and penguin at the center

Why are you voting ico?

~ skitter

[Fun and Games]

Whyyyyyyyyyyy >.>

This is like immediately coming off of an interaction where you're castigating me for not recognizing that you're scumreading gamma

~ skitter

[Fun and Games]

This is why i feel like you're being opaque >.>

I remembered that you said your reads are similar to mine, my understanding was the implication of that is that you were scumreading gamma and dunn

I shouldnt have to guess why you're voting people, or what your reads are

Like who are you actually scumreading rn

~ skitter

[Fun and Games]

I'm trying but you're telling me my inferences are wrong and there's no further explanation in your iso, i'm not a mindreader

~ skitter

[Fun and Games]

g'luck dats

[Fun and Games]

this just ended and it went not terribly! (probably)

Yay!

[Fun and Games]

Nice pagetop

I'm not really sure what to do with the fact that like all of dunn/gamma/ico are pushing each other

I also feel like we're stalling a bit and that maybr we should just pick one and go with it

~ skitter

[Fun and Games]

also, i forgot about that question and only now realize it hasn't been answered. @skitter?

Sorry, what are you asking me here?

yes, i did poke at skitt for townreading me, mostly because there's an actually similar pattern to you. a game where i was scum and fooled town!skitter (the pinnacle of my scumplay career tbh, might as well retire after that), a game where we were both town and she kept breathing down my neck for the entire game, and now this game where she is casually townreading me. should i not find it odd?

I'm not sure i would agree with the assertion that i am 'casually townreading' you

Also your ico vote isnt really making me feel any better abt your dynamic with him tbh. It makes me feel better that he's scum tho - if you're town you probably have a correct read, yay, and if you're scum i dont think you choose to push town-ico in this fashion since you're just gonna be pushed after he flips town

~ skitter

[Fun and Games]

@skitt, i guess i should've properly framed this as a question, basically to elaborate on that claim

and, besides the ico stuff, you're townreading my thought process and activity and all that stuff without really questioning me much on it, which i found weird.

i mean vp was busy irl for a few days but other than that he's been active, and his posting is good, and exhibits a townie thought process imo

and for you, outside of ico you've been more 'pushy' than i think of you as scum

~ skitter

[Fun and Games]

VOTE: fun and games
based on page 37
they feel super manipulative

uh ok, i'd love to hear more about this

My eyes about popped out of my head in shock. I don't think you've mentioned this slot except to ask why they town read you. Can you go into more detail? I have a hard time seeing "manipulative" In skitter looking at Iconeums reads and not being able to make sense of them.

I definitely mentioned finding them sketchy earlier
Skitter does not feel town to me. She feels too confident and I don't like how she's interacting with other people; it feels like it's not in good faith.

i wouldn't exactly call a lot of reads confident, i don't know what you mean by 'you dont like how i'm interacting with other people' or that i'm not acting in good faith

also how is 919 manipulative ...

~ skitter

[Fun and Games]

why are you so confident on me?

I don’t really sense manipulation from you

i mean is he usually manipulative as scum? that's not really something i'd associate with his scumgame ...

i'm feeling worse and worse about gamma tbh

~ skitter

[Fun and Games]

I think Gamma's response to the wagon was town

in what way?

~ skitter

[Fun and Games]

part of me thinks that ico/gamma can be aligned ... ico has been steering away from gamma and trying to direct to dunn

~ skitter

[Fun and Games]

eh fair enuf, i know what you mean about how to read him as compared to c9++

manipulative is definitely the wrong word tho

[Fun and Games]

what would u suggest for the future?

maybe 'agenda-ness' or something idk

~ skitter

[Fun and Games]

maybe manipulative isn't the right word but I don't know what is
like I feel like you're trying to keep the game going a certain way?
in that post it's like you're having this discussion with Ico but obviously you're not taking anything from it because you're signaling that you're gonna end up on him anyways so it all seems kinda faked

thanks
i mean i did start off being suspicious of him to begin with, and me and pooky had discussed while he was gone that if he didn't like wow us with overwhelming towniness when he came back we wanted to vote there, yeah

~ skitter

[Fun and Games]

i've signed nearly all of mine, but i forgot a couple of times - if you have questions feel free to quote and i'll tell you who wrote it
pooky hasn't been signing at all

~ skitter

[Fun and Games]

no, we're both kinda just posting whatever we want to

~ skitter