Mini Normal 2249 | The Fish in the Sea | Game Over

[osuka]

what's up nerds

[osuka]

VOTE: whatever the Pokemon in your avatar is

lmao what pokemon do you think it is

yours is clearly skinny lugia

[osuka]

VOTE: s_s i dislike green names

we must seize the means of moderation

[osuka]

everyone is so loud in this game!!

IM NOT LOUD YOURE LOUD

[osuka]

VOTE: azaariah
obvious alt

[osuka]

i’m drunk as fuck so here’s another one of my revelations

VOTE: t3 is obvscum

[osuka]

i am the oracle, take what i say as gospel and follow my word as the truth. i will show you the light

[osuka]

Based
VOTE: T3

welcome to the townbloc

[osuka]

oh my fucking god i just woke up, im hungover as shit, my head hurts, i forgot to put the food in the fridge, and theres NINE fucking pages for me to read

[osuka]

okay so im gonna start actually reading things now

i would like to formally apologize in advance to all the involved for what you'll see on the thread in a second

[osuka]

VOTE: Gamma Emerald I have a small ping here based on his tone.

i cant tell if this is a shitpost or not but its literally page 3 my dude

[osuka]

oh wow i have some posts on page 3 that i dont remember writing

good to know

[osuka]

I think I have learnt to take all day 1 claims is to ignore them all. Gets me in trouble.

is this a compulsive weak vig crumb?

[osuka]

because if not ill claim compulsive weak vig, but if it is im just ascetic combined tracker asceticizer

[osuka]

Jeff do you have a reason to vote T3 instead of Gamma?

i hard pocketed that slot, dont ask too many questions

[osuka]

sorry quick question, april is FL's alt right

[osuka]

oh for fucks sake is this gonna be a repeat of mini normal whatever the fuck with andante making shit up as she goes and generally not making a lot of sense?

[osuka]

the post definitely feels ai
i'm just not sure what alignment

summary of this game so far

[osuka]

in any case i do actually feel like t3s brain has grown in size significantly so i really dont think i can read him as well as i expected to, having played together at least once or twice

hes also a lot more cynical and generally stingy. maybe i rubbed off on him?

[osuka]

oh for fucks sake is this gonna be a repeat of mini normal whatever the fuck with andante making shit up as she goes and generally not making a lot of sense?

to answer my own question:

Can’t a guy just fuckign have fun

i have no idea what reaction i should glean from this post

should have my reaction. if you take it seriously? I'm gonna throw you in the party police pile.

the post definitely feels ai
i'm just not sure what alignment
i have some thoughts on this but i'll save them for later

I'm trying pretty hard to just not auto sr you lol like I'm pretty sure I sr you every game regardless of alignment, so this is a new game, new me. but this ain't helping. Like, sure I'm not towntelling super hard right now. I'm here for a good time!!! I'm definitely town this game though, and if you wanna sus me for something non game related go for it lol looks like everyone else is just gonna turbo you and we start the game tomorrow?

yes, yes it is gonna be exactly that

[osuka]

spirit, are you a change playstyle alt? or just a general purpose one?

i’m a general "hide my identity" alt
if i’ve changed my playstyle or not is something i’ll leave for other people to think about if they really care that much

ahahahahahahahah what the fuck?????

this game is going well i see. good to have you here norwi

[osuka]

you know, normally i would ask why the fuck is andante so hung up on the reads lists, but seeing as this is andante i realize literally nothing good can come out of that, so i wont do that

this was not a question, please do not answer it

[osuka]

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Is this not just a ranking of how well-known people are

are you saying i'm well-known? i'm not entirely sure that's a good thing

[osuka]

ok i reread les start making rounds

[the tone seems reasonable to me actually but i need monkey thought process to solidify this]

Imagine a monkey having a thought process on page 2. Would be swell, tbh.

it came across as tonally weird, mainly just the 2 question marks and the "erm..." part

What would
you wish for T3
[impportant}

I wish for the willpower to not procrastinate

if a50 response was written on the spot (not real reason for scum to lie) then i think T3's is in the same roulm of genuineness

as i aged my posts in my head i FELT like some people would take in the fact that it's a TRADE
say your wish out loud........ the stars wont grant it because it got said out loud but Hella Jeff will help make them come true anyway
and i legit thought that when a50 had the 'erm' and the 2 question marks part that he was using it as a means of finding my ball status by giving me something i can do
then i reallise thats overthinking it jeff..... no one CARES. T3 didnt even anser it that way
so what do i think? i think this was a shitload of wasted energy AUUUUGH!
don't see why THE MONKEY shouldn't be town though

are you writing to yourself right now? isn't it a little early in the game for people to be going nuts?

[osuka]

i actually think jeffs gonna kill several of my brain cells over the course of this game, he isn't even saying anything and i'm already having trouble parsing posts

[osuka]

I'm so mad at myself for slipping you wouldn't believe.
And it's because my phone wifi is shit and it keeps asking me to log on every 5 minutes and then i forgot to log in with my alt information.

ah yes you got Wi-Fucked(tm)

[osuka]

hold on a second, why the fuck am i town in aprils list? at that point i had posted 7 times and only written something about t3 being obvscum and myself being the oracle and really intoxicated

i'm not sure how any of that amounts to me being town

[osuka]

are you writing to yourself right now? isn't it a little early in the game for people to be going nuts?

You ever. make a case
AND THEN it doesn't look useful at all and you realizedshz you are washed
AND THEN u feel like positing it even more

ive literally never written anything that wasnt good or useful, but if i had at any point in time i wouldn't actually submit it

[osuka]

are you saying i'm well-known? i'm not entirely sure that's a good thing

Moderately. It's more that putting two alts at the bottom is nagl.

i hope the rumors arent that im a complete dick

[osuka]

hold on a second, why the fuck am i town in aprils list? at that point i had posted 7 times and only written something about t3 being obvscum and myself being the oracle and really intoxicated

i'm not sure how any of that amounts to me being town

And you wanted to know why I was questioning the list? There's 2 lists and the changes to the 2nd make no sense unless the ranking isn't game related

hmm i wonder if i asked a question as to why you were having a meltdown in response to the list...

you know, normally i would ask why the fuck is andante so hung up on the reads lists, but seeing as this is andante i realize literally nothing good can come out of that, so i wont do that

this was not a question, please do not answer it

oh look! i didnt!

[osuka]

hold on a second, why the fuck am i town in aprils list? at that point i had posted 7 times and only written something about t3 being obvscum and myself being the oracle and really intoxicated

i'm not sure how any of that amounts to me being town

And you wanted to know why I was questioning the list? There's 2 lists and the changes to the 2nd make no sense unless the ranking isn't game related

like seriously i just wanted to avoid this fucking conversation because it's a colossal waste of everyones time. heres how this is gonna play out, see if you follow

you lost your shit, i wouldve pointed out you lost your shit and that was weird, youd justify it with the fact that it's way too early to have solid reads on everyone, then ill point out that for exactly that reason you cant refute the list, after which youll say the list is of little value - which is correct - but what you're forgetting is that your response to the list is also of little value because the reasons for the reads are weak, so the reads are weak, so theres no real discussion to be had other than "the reads are weak", at which point everyone forgets that exchange ever happened and moves on with their lives. hopefully something then happens

so really all that's been accomplished here is me having to type this out for absolutely no good reason, because unless youre being ridiculously pedantic or intentionally obtuse, the fact that a readslist on page 7 is anything but definitive is obvious to everyone involved and doesn't need to be pointed out

...and yet, here we are

[osuka]

i hope the rumors arent that im a complete dick

I think I've only played with you once. You fought a lot with me, but you were right and I was scum.

oh yeah im always right

i am the oracle, take what i say as gospel and follow my word as the truth. i will show you the light

this is a surprisingly well-written sentence for the state of mind i was in last night

[osuka]

Day 1 in this game is going to be impossible to get decent reads isn't it.

probably

[osuka]

Sent from my iPhone

hahahahahahah what the fuck my sides are in orbit

[osuka]

Osuka, is your frustration a normal thing for this early?

oh you sweet summer child, you havent seen a thing. im not even annoyed yet

[osuka]

oh yeah im always right

I killed you and won 'cause nobody listened to you :cool:

i mean thats not really my fault, is it? that's been known to happen, i remember the same thing happening on one of datisi's games a while back. iirc i had two of the scum pinned in the first day or two but they decided to execute me instead :)))))))))))

[osuka]

NorwegianboyEE replaces Free Spirit.

T H O N K

this is obvious norwe scum by meta

[osuka]

I'm ignoring Jeff till later tbh

You saying stuff like this hurts, you know. My most important questions in this thread are directed towards you. You not sparing the patience to deal with Hella jeff is already starting to feel frustrating.
Maybe this is futile, and our relationship is pointless. I don't think it is though, I do believe that we can work it out, but only if you really care about making it work, if this relationship is important to you. Please explain yourself.

I know you're not a monster.

Sent from my iPhone

Dear Jeff,

I am sorry. I care deeply about our relationship!
I do not mean for it to end!!! I was only saying that I couldn't understand something you said!

I am sincerely sorry for hurting your feelings, and hope you understand it wasn't intentional,
Andante

Sent from my iPhone

dear everyone,

please stop the fucking gimmicks i hate it and my head already hurts because im hungover, the last thing i need is to read posts in stupid formats

sent from my ti-89 titanium

[osuka]

I am positively drunk

make sure you drink plenty of water, dont wanna end up like me

[osuka]

i've thought about this for a pretty long amount of time and it still strikes me as extremely strange. the reason im not clear on the motivation is because it could be purely to shade or it could be tmi. either way i think the Andante is still scum.

i dont think that was a scumpost, it's just andante andanteposting because posting that sort of shit is just what andante does from what i can tell

[osuka]

aside from that, andante's posts jump from defensive and shady to bright and happy every couple posts. i would say that's a pretty good indicator of scum struggling to keep their towny facade up

i also think this is just andante being andante. imagine a kid that already can't sit still in class. now, imagine that kid that can't sit still in class, but is hopped up on like three red bulls and a big starbucks coffee with all the sugar you can get in it

[osuka]

yeah but does she change emotions that fast?

yeah if memory serves, yeah she does

[osuka]

i think that my problem with the andante situation in particular is that i dont think that slot's alignment is as clear cut as some people are trying to make it sound like it is. there's probably scum motivation ~somewhere~ in here and i cant quite tell where from or in what way, but something feels off just enough that i feel like i have to point that out

[osuka]

like the whole thing just fucking smells. in fairness, i do agree that andante went off the rails way too quickly even for andante, but that's probably close enough to what i've seen that i can imagine this being scum or town andante just having a stroke a little bit too early

[osuka]

it's basically just a case of is it more likely that town andante shades april for no reason (mind you this was before the argument of "april is randomly changing their reads" that andante is currently using came up)
or is it more likely that it was a bad attempt at shade or just straight up tmi from scum andante.

there is a reason that my first though was the tmi and that's because a lot of unreasonable things that seem to not come from either alignment can be explained because of tmi existing.

where's the tmi though? i think jumping in and answering that question was definitely strange, but does it make sense to answer that as scum? i dont think so

in fact, you can make better use of that situation if you're scum and _don't_ answer that question. in that case, instead of pointing out "oh look if they did xyz it would probably be scummy", you can wait and hope they blow themselves up and then you not only have an actual reason to put them on blast, you also didn't expose yourself and you gained information you didn't previously have, even as scum

[osuka]

to sum it up: i think that andantes really gone off the rails here but i think that the push on that slot is worse and is extremely exaggerated in terms of what actually did happen and what is of any substance whatsoever

[osuka]

I think this push is good regardless of how good the points raised against Adante is.
Because it feels like a very townie thought process from Azaariah and so i want to join the pressure wagon to get a better read on a slot that i think would be good to gain more info on. Particurarly because i realized Andante hasn’t been as townie as i really thought, but they xould be trying to seem that way.

Osuka, if you have an better idea of where the scum are then i’m all ears. But otherwise i’d like you to back off because i think this is an very helpful push to gain more gamestate info.

i think that my problem with the andante situation in particular is that i dont think that slot's alignment is as clear cut as some people are trying to make it sound like it is. there's probably scum motivation ~somewhere~ in here and i cant quite tell where from or in what way, but something feels off just enough that i feel like i have to point that out

[osuka]

You just read like a slot that is white knighting a slot that really hasn’t done enough to deserve it. Hence you’re not being helpful, but an obstacle to progress.

this is a sad misrep, youre better than that norwe

[osuka]

catching up, prepare yourselves

[osuka]

i think that my problem with the andante situation in particular is that i dont think that slot's alignment is as clear cut as some people are trying to make it sound like it is. there's probably scum motivation ~somewhere~ in here and i cant quite tell where from or in what way, but something feels off just enough that i feel like i have to point that out

Do you say this because you think wagons that form fast are sus and in your mind; often scum motivated?

starting off with this that i missed but do want to reply on: not necessarily, but the way this picked up momentum and just generally the way that slot is being treated i think is Really Weird(tm)

[osuka]

Geraint just reads to me like an exact clone of their towngames, and they don’t seem like the type that would be good at copying it as scum.
So it’s an tone/meta thing.

i'm p sure scum gera is like this too.

I can't remember the last time I was scum. I think I am obvious when I am as I panic non stop

what the fuck is it with everyone in here and self-meta? what the fuck my dude

[osuka]

T3 (5) Dwlee99, osuka, Hella Jeff, NorwegianboyEE, Gamma Emerald [E-2]

HOW did i NOT NOTICE THIS AHAHAHA

whoops
UNVOTE:

[osuka]

We had the exact opposite reaction about doulas post.

should i just assume that anything close-ish to "paula" refers to me?

[osuka]

If there’s a good reason why Andante is town then i’m fine with it.
But pretty much all Osuka said is: "oh man, pressure is bad and maybe something stinky is going on……" while their reasons for Andante being town was… not all that good.

thats not what i said at all, i never said pressure is bad

here's an example
VOTE: norwe

[osuka]

the way this is phrased is just *chefs kiss* i don't even know why it townpings me so strongly

I kinda see what you're talking about. I think it's +town if Andante is town but +scum if Andante is scum.

????????????????????

[osuka]

the way this is phrased is just *chefs kiss* i don't even know why it townpings me so strongly

I kinda see what you're talking about. I think it's +town if Andante is town but +scum if Andante is scum.

THIS actually is the strangest post in the thread so far. why the fuck is it +scum if andante is scum? if youre andantes scumbuddy, why on earth would you post that? why would you make that post? i think that's the closest to a good push anyone's gotten so far, and i'm struggling to come up with a reason why you'd hardbus like that this early on day 1

[osuka]

“Can I just duck big have fun”

Lmao

lmao

[osuka]

i bus my buddy like this on day 1 when they are in a perfectly amazing position. okay ...

Why wouldn't you? Do you expect people to actually follow you and kill Andante?

the fact that my SR has persisted for over 10 pages shows dedication. regardless of if it will go through, it is the strongest push anyone in this game has had so far. and you seem to think that andante won't actually go through today when i am putting them at a very high risk by doing this. whether or not they will depends, but this risk isn't worth it especially when the partner is a newer player who might just scum it up under pressure.

wouldn't this make more sense coming from scum on town also? if that were the case, i have two buddy's words and influence on the thread. getting a townie eliminated, especially a newer player, should be a piece of cake.

what i gain from hard pushing a buddy who may actually die on day 1 instead of just letting t3 go through is not what i need to win the game as scum. all i get is suspicion on my buddy, who is now at higher risk of elimination and a likely investigative target. if i lead the wagon through, i just killed my buddy, who was in a good position on day 1 for no reason. does it get me towncred? yes. but i would rather win in elo with two scum than 1. your logic is pretty messed up.

okay remember what i said about the other post being the weirdest in the thread so far? forget about that, this one takes the cake

what the fuck is going on here? "the fact that my SR has persisted for over 10 pages shows dedication" - are you making a towncase on yourself? why? are you implying that you're pushing andante for the towncred and simultaneously claiming that you're being successful at it? getting a newer player eliminated isn't necessarily a piece of cake _especially_ if the rest of the lobby is experienced (which, on average, is the case).

NOBODY gives up a scumbuddy this early and this fast just because they're a newer player. that's a ridiculous assumption and is probably the dumbest thing anyone's said in the thread so far

[osuka]

the number of long sentences i've wrote are far more and plentiful. if you really want to do this, address all of my posts on the case.

fuck off with the lamist please

VOTE: azaariah

[osuka]

VOTE: Andante

holiday, join me. we'll leave andante at e-2. no one else should vote until andante gets back to the thread. we'll go from there.

P O C K E T I N G

[osuka]

aza is so full of shit it's not even funny

[osuka]

like that slot's been scumposting for the past 5 pages it's ridiculous

[osuka]

10 pages, sick

prepare yourselves

[osuka]

the number of long sentences i've wrote are far more and plentiful. if you really want to do this, address all of my posts on the case.

fuck off with the lamist please

VOTE: azaariah

how is this lamist?

Just the number of short sentences underscoring the point makes it feel less likely genuine based on experience. Could just be stylistic, of course.

the number of long sentences i've wrote are far more and plentiful. if you really want to do this, address all of my posts on the case.

how is it not?

[osuka]

the more i read that post of osukas, the more it doesn't make sense but it looks so scummy that i feel like it could just be town. osuka is basically saying that i openly said in thread that i am scum and pushing my scum buddy which makes no actual sense no matter how you think about it. no matter what my alignment is, it doesn't make sense. it feels like osuka isn't processing anything he himself says. i feel like erratic play like this does typically come from town though so im alright with a TR there.

the fact that you can't make sense of it doesn't mean it doesn't make sense. nice try though

[osuka]

the more i read that post of osukas, the more it doesn't make sense but it looks so scummy that i feel like it could just be town. osuka is basically saying that i openly said in thread that i am scum and pushing my scum buddy which makes no actual sense no matter how you think about it. no matter what my alignment is, it doesn't make sense. it feels like osuka isn't processing anything he himself says. i feel like erratic play like this does typically come from town though so im alright with a TR there.

like this is kind of a sad post. "oh this guy doesn't make sense and that's really scummy so obviously he's town right?"

either push me or don't, quit the noncommittal half-assed bullshit and let's all get on with your lives

[osuka]

In my first reads list, I had T3 listed pretty low, because I thought the interactions between Hella Jeff, Spirit, and T3 were odd, and in between my first and second reads list, I highly expected T3 to become the fall wagon, and the wagon that scum was going to let town naturally jump on. There likely is a scum on that wagon, but I dont think there has to be more than 1. There can be, but yeah.

I also believe Hella Jeff to have been playing a highly political game since before I even posted, as he was one of the first players to establish any sort of position in the gamestate.

I also felt the tingles within Spirit/Hella Jeff talks and believed there to be scum in there, but wasn't sure where. I have started to lean town a bit more on Norwegian, which when he is scum, from what I remember, I was able to sniff that out pretty easily, but I don't believe I have enough experience with them, let alone recent experience, and I'm trying to not use meta in the first place.

VOTE: Hella Jeff

im interested in this because i that slot hasn't jumped out to me in that way, but it also hasn't jumped out to me as particularly genuine. i have a townlean there, but it's very weak. in what way is his game political?

[osuka]

Didn't expect to come back, tbh, but I was able to catch an NFT rug pull before it happened, and I found myself getting in the mood to catch some scum.

omegalul

my sides are in orbit

[osuka]

andante has been online twice since everything (my cases) unfolded and the conversation is already rapidly shifting away in only a day. unless andante comes in and explains, i am not budging an inch off this wagon. if this flips town, i accept the blame and im sorry but this is just far too scummy to me at this point. i can't shake the feeling that andante is just scum and scum are trying to change the topic. i also think the wagon is mostly pure.

sad fucking angleshoot to top off a sad fucking push

[osuka]

I skimmed what I missed earlier, and the only things that really stood out:

A) Yall did absolutely nothing but call me scum?
B) Aza has ONLY talked about me all game. and is literally death tunneling me, and I'm not sure if there's good intentions behind it, cause at what point would town go "I will tunnel Andante till the end of time, and basically ignore reading anyone else here" like, even for me, there's a point I'll just step back go, ok, maybe this read is wrong, let me look elsewhere. And especially changing the reasoning towards the end to "omg Andante has been on the site!! this is a fake v/la" omg, I was on and didn't post... I wonder how it got announced I went v/la... almost like I had to tell someone... we're so smart over here.

I'm struggling to get a genuine read on Aa, cause I'm really likely to just turn around and tunnel those tunneling me when there's no logic to it... but come on!!! 2 whole days of "Andante not town!!!" dude, so we flip me now, then what? I flip green and you go all "can't be me!!!" cause I hate to break it to you, I'm not scum lmao

this has no substance whatsoever. what the fuck is the point of this post?

[osuka]

I just tried to meta ss and got nothing except general just different vibes between scum and town games. This game he’s got the *town vibe* so that’s good I guess?

lmao, does anyone here have a good iso?

i probably do, seeing as i am the oracle

[osuka]

but I have a real strong suspicion the only "content" in 600 posts is "OMG ANDANTE HAS TO BE SCUM!!"

Do you have any other reads to talk about?

No cause there is literally nothing of significance. I still sr T3, like I did at the start, I saw April tried to explain the townyness or something, but I don't see it, and everyone else has been coasting/chilling and kinda joining the push on me for 0 reason.

are you saying you have nothing of significance to say, or that there's nothing of significance to discuss?

[osuka]

Andante (2) NorwegianboyEE, T3

I demand reasons please Norwee and T3. Reasons said to my face are preferable. Thank you.

I am also voting you currently and have an explanation as to why. After you speak about other slots, you can visit that as well if you want.

Please share why I'm the best lim here. Like I don't mind going if it gets town closer to finding scum tomorrow, but limming me is giving no information lmao

piss poor

you SHOULD mind going regardless of what happens afterwards other than an instawin, because if you're town then you know you're town and you also know that the probability of town eating a -1 for free because you didn't defend yourself is exactly 1, instead than a random exec which is 1/player count

[osuka]

Andante (2) NorwegianboyEE, T3

I demand reasons please Norwee and T3. Reasons said to my face are preferable. Thank you.

Ok.

*Moves uncomfortably close to your face and whispers"

"...I think you've been scummy buddy"

Ok what part? the fact I was busy for 2 days? wow real life happened. so scummy. Trying to ask why someone had a different read than me? so scummy.

are you trying to get executed?

[osuka]

Azaariah (2) osuka, Gamma Emerald

azaariah wagon giving me the creeps ngl

it's just gamma trying to pocket me, dont worry too much about it

[osuka]

Ok, I'm ignoring these people deadset on tunneling me, whatever, Jeff I'll answer you in a sec, Holiday/Norwee do not seem to have good intentions at all right now

also, I troly appreciate waiting for me to enter to pounce on me and attack me for all the wrong I've done. How I talk? this is me, it's how I play, if you hate it? not my problem

this is dogshit

I’m also not eliminating for information, but to kill scum. If you’re town, can you please give us something to work with/dialogue more on?

@andante this question needs answering. get your head out of your ass please

[osuka]

"I expect you to come back with perfect reads" yeah right. whatever.

????????????????

[osuka]

oh. my. freaking. goodness.... I HAVE SAID IT LIKE 20 TIMES ALREADY....

no you didn't actually, not in any degree of detail. you just said nothing happened without even elaborating as to what that refers to

fucking elaborate and have a conversation and people will probably consider getting off your ass

[osuka]

Gamma town, I love Gamma so much right now, SS is fairly good too, they're the only ones trying to let me breathe and not death tunnel me... notice how everyone appeared after I entered? yeah waiting to attack... like sharks in this ocean... bye bye sharks

???????????????????????????????????

[osuka]

idk, like an actual push on someone for a legit reason...

What makes a reason legit?

its day 1, there ar eno legit reasons

dude are you like the day 1 equivalent of a nihilist? "nothing's legit, everyone's just making shit up anyways who cares"

[osuka]

I think the point about Azaar not having done anything except just talking about Andante is interesting, but i fail to see it really being all that scummy.
Focusing on a single player isn't an inherently scummy trait.

yeah but deathtunneling a player on almost no sort of concrete basis is pretty sketchy, isn't it?

[osuka]

i feel like osuka might be ranked higher and i might have overcompensated because funny doesn't necessarily equal town

i just realized this post sounds really rambly so don't try to ask what it means

ranked higher for exec or town?

[osuka]

actually im gonna point out here that andante is just straight townposting on page 30

[osuka]

so you just randomly change your mind on reads over time?

What are you trying to get at?? I was referring to, if all I have done is tunnel someone, I'll take a step back and think about if I'm tunneling to tunnel and win an argument, or if I actually think that person is scummy

its not tunneling if the person isn't there....
it's just discussing the read with others

in order: yes it is and no it isn't

[osuka]

I think SS here is kinda suspicious, like the way he was asking me questions/whatnot, just enough to be like "hey I'm contributing" but honestly, he's always here, yet never seems to have significant thoughts, seems to avoid any major conversation, mostly tried to stay out of aza/I.. idk something seems off about ss

The irony of you whining about people attacking you for playstyle and then posting this.

this ticks me off in a really wrong way. ss knows better than to do this shallow of a misrep, which makes this look like a knee-jerk reaction to a really good point from a player that's in a vulnerable position in such a way that it would probably be overlooked

taking note of this because i havent seen a lot else of weird shit from this slot but this is definitely in that ballpark

[osuka]

ok everyone chill. page 27 is painful to read. please guys.
i am absolutely torn right now. i feel like andante's emotions are genuine but i will feel horrible if i let scum slip by me like that. i'm going to take a break and think. can everyone leave andante alone for a little bit? i am really stressed over all of this. i feel like this is my fault. please everyone just shut your laptop and take some deep breaths. let this thread breathe.

it's painful to see these emotions because i genuinely feel the anger and almost, betrayal seep through my desktop but i am also so weak to ate. i need some time.

cheap flop isn't it?

[osuka]

Wait y'all

I just realized

When people were townreading me why did no one mention I'm Miller

Seriously it was in my first post. Are y'all reading or just posting?

Is it cause I was just a miller

top tier shitposting

[osuka]

omg woah Gamma!! You have 59 THOUSAND posts?? wow... That is crazy lol I should definitely be able to go read past games to help figure out your alignment :)

should only take about 1 hour 14 minutes to do it if youre quick

[osuka]

this ticks me off in a really wrong way. ss knows better than to do this shallow of a misrep

What's the misrep?

she's attacking content, not style. are you saying your style is to not post anything she'd classify as "significant thoughts"?

[osuka]

i want to reply to 866 but that post has enough content that it warrants a long-ish response that i truly cannot write in the present moment because ive been putting off eating for two hours so my head hurts and my stomach is a void where no light can escape

[osuka]

pffffFFFFFT my gre scores came back and i scored a 5.5 in analytical writing lets fucking go

catching up again

prepare yourselves

[osuka]

im not caught up at this point but what i have to say is that although i do think it's a possibly that andante is town now (unlike previously), i still believe that is the optimal elimination today. there's a couple reasons i have for this but i do think a clear cut andante flip brings clarity to a lot of questions. i think it helps shut down future speculation that is useless noise and i dont think andante staying in the game helps town even if they do happen to be town here (based on this gamestate and other factors). my last point is that andante has posted posts saying "it's ok if i die today if it's good for town" so that just means the slot is vt or scum. i dont see the harm in taking a gamble on a high information flip that cant be a town pr and might even be scum.

to anyone who scum reads andante and myself, that doesn't make sense. all of my posts have been calling andante scum and had i been the one interacting with andante when they just got back, there would be even more posts calling them scum. creating an environment that feels, even if it is not entirely, a 1v1 between myself and a scum buddy is possibly the worst situation to put myself in on day 1 as scum. and lets just say you still believe we're scum together, ok since you believe that so firmly, it doesn't matter which scum dies first right? help me bus my buddy.

to anyone who scum reads me and not andante. andante's green flip brings me a lot of pressure tomorrow and as scum, that's not optimal for day 2. andante's green flip would attract investigative my way tonight as well as put me under a lot of pressure tomorrow. i could be slightly shading andante or simply hopping on t3 here instead. and let's say t3 is my scum buddy. the first person i look to as a "LHF" slot to tunnel, is still not andante.

i am absolutely willing to 1v1 andante here because i believe andante is a valuable flip that brings clarity to the game. i am fully willing to take responsibility and be subject to pages and pages of questioning tomorrow if this flips town. i think an andante flip today is the optimal choice.

from a gamestate perspective, i think andante elim benefits town in every scenario there could possibly be. to anyone that trusts that i am town, let me lead this wagon. even if it is wrong, it is lead by town and finding scum on the wagon is an easier job if you believe it is lead by town. i am not offering myself up as the elim tomorrow if andante flips town but i am willing to be on the cutting board. im willing to be the person that people blame. i know this may not help but i do think that an andante flip is very valuable here especially over someone like t3. what do we gain from a flip like that?

but what do we gain from an andante flip? well we know that if they are scum, a number of people like t3, holiday, april, and myself are somewhat cleared.
if they are town, we reanalyze the wagon and everyone's reasons for joining. we look at the resistance as well and try to find where scum ended up positioning themselves.
we gain more from an andante flip than any other flip today.

okay so quick reply here since a bit has happened since this was posted but this is a bonafide dumpster fire

from the top: you're saying andante is town but you STILL wanna kill that slot? what the fuck? future speculation isn't just noise - even if all the slots being discussed are green, the discussion itself is what you can leverage to get scum. i shouldn't have to explain that. why are you playing dumb?

i have so many questions from this post. why are you saying andante has to be vt or scum? that's a reach. why are you saying andante's flip is bad if you're scum? that puts pressure on you? that's nothing you can't deflect if you're good enough at it. if i'm scum, i'll take that trade and honestly a good scum player can get out of much, much worse than that.

andante's flip brings no sort of clarity a flip on YOUR slot wouldn't bring because you're conveniently forgetting that you're the other side of the 1v1 and nearly all of the same conclusions can be drawn if we have YOUR flip instead of andante's. executing a player you believe is town is never the optimal play for town and it's almost insulting that you think we're dumb enough to pretend like it is

this is a sad fucking post and the only thing to agree with in this heap of garbage is the fact that andante and you probably aren't scumbuddies, but that's so obvious that you might as well not have said it to begin with

[osuka]

VOTE: aza in case i wasn't already

this slot is fucking ridiculous. this reeks of caught scum after a half-assed push went sideways and it's really really sad

[osuka]

im having some login issues but it sounded like no shade and i also never understood why holiday and a50 were higher than me in your reads. you made so many posts calling me town and included reasons yet im not higher than holiday and a50 who you havent made any significant posts on?? to be honest i also think holiday is the towniest but still

im sorry who are you again

[osuka]

what the fuck is going on

[osuka]

did someone just alt slip with another alt? what on earth?

what the fuck is my life

[osuka]

snipe

[osuka]

did someone just alt slip with another alt? what on earth?

what the fuck is my life

The first line mentions login issues, idk why that account is the one working for them but lolk

still leaves unanswered the question of who the fuck is it?

[osuka]

@mod: v/la for 24 hours initially. maybe more, maybe less - will update in-thread

sorry for the uncertainty everybody, i have a kidney stone that is really making me miserable right now

[osuka]

oh boy i have 16 pages to catch up on, fuck this noise

thankfully i can speed read and type really fast so it should only take 1 hour 16 minutes to get it done

[osuka]

hnghhhhhh
I can’t find anything actually AI from osuka’s catchup

nothing i do is ai

weve played together before, you should know better than to try to read me

[osuka]

did someone just alt slip with another alt? what on earth?

what the fuck is my life

The first line mentions login issues, idk why that account is the one working for them but lolk

still leaves unanswered the question of who the fuck is it?

I could probably find out if I read for (A) context and (B) posting style, but I'm not gonna cuz I don't feel like it. The same goes for Jeff having mentioned a game he was in. I simply won't be bothered trying to alt hunt at this time.

Disclaimer: there's also the non-zero chance that the post wasn't even meant to be posted in this game/thread, so that could nullify the context part, and being an alt may nullify the style part, so what's the point?

i dont care about alt hunting but i do need to know who posted that because it's game content and if people come in and start posting in random accounts then the whole thing goes to shit instantly

reveal yourself

[osuka]

paula + norwegian

Who is Paula

We had the exact opposite reaction about doulas post.

should i just assume that anything close-ish to "paula" refers to me?

i think it's me

[osuka]

i love how a50 is just straight shitposting now, i'm about it

[osuka]

i've been reading but have had a very empty head for quite some time now. i don't know what to make of my wagon or the game after thinking andante was definitely scum for such a long time. i originally thought that andante and april were scum together. i kept saying that andante scum cleared april because i really wanted to see people's reactions to that and to see if i could get scum to bus andante in return for a hard townread on april who seems like a strong player (everyone seems to know them for some reason?). obviously, i can't prove that but you can really see the difference in passion between that read which i repeated in two really thin posts as compared to my andante read. i was really deep in that tunnel and now that i dont think it's correct, i don't know what to think about the game. im afraid to commit to any reads because my brain knows andante isn't scum but im still clinging on to that thought.

i keep wanting to just reply to osuka's long post the way he's been replying to my posts out of frustration but i know it doesn't help. there is no case on me and i don't know what to do about that. i don't know what im doing and this is kind of where i am. i guess this will sound like im lost but im not. im just processing and waiting.

reply however you want, just make sure you reply at some point because barring someone fucking up worse than that, i'm not moving my vote off you until either of us die or i get a Good Enough(tm) reply from you

[osuka]

sorry to hear that osuka, hope you feel better soon!

it passed so were big chilling now, very cash money

time to catch some scumfuck

[osuka]

And the reason why i have Geraint and A50 so differently, despite doing pretty much the same thing. Is that Geraint feels genuinely lost, while A50 feels like they’re just doing it on purpose.

this is the first eyebrow-raising thing youve said about a50. care to elaborate?

[osuka]

I can't help you if you're not putting on your glasses. Just because I'm not showing "all" my thoughts right now doesn't mean I don't have thoughts. Just because I'm not trying to "appear" like I care doesn't mean that I don't care. You should know by now (after all the games we've played together) that i hate the words "looks, feels, pings..etc", so I can't even acknowledge your accusation that I "appear" to be not solving.

Solving come on many levels. One of them is to remove oneself from the lim pool ON DAY ONE. (Now if you ignore the last 3 words I'm going to stop responding to you). Laying low and watching things quietly is as good as being vocal and obv!Towning in that regard. If I see something that

needs

my intervention I will jump right in. However, if -say- I SR you and I see a wagon being formed on you and someone else pushing it, I don't "need" to be vocal about it. I'll just vote you and that's that.

Now where my head's at on DAY ONE? What do you care? If I was a Cop I don't want Scum to know whom I will be checking. If I was a Tracker I don't want them to know whom I will target. If I was a Doctor I don't want them to know whom I'm protecting. If I was a Vig I don't want them to know whom I'm shooting. If I was a VT I don't want then to know that either, and would rather they think what I'm up to and what my role is.

I am NOT going to play the game how someone else thinks I should, or expects me to. I will always play the way I feel like playing at the time. If that doesn't please you, I'm sorry, Keep on pushing me if you want to. Either you're Town and wasting your time, or Scum and digging your own grave.

sheesh you sound like me, are you okay? i'm pretty sure ive posted nearly the exact same thing at one point in another game, just with a lot more... colorful language

[osuka]

But the way i solve is to find out which players are trying to solve and which players are doing so genuinely.
If you do not do these things then i cannot read you as town. Thus i will push you, that's how i work.

dumb take

[osuka]

If like 10 players in a 13 player playerlist are doing nothing then i guess they are all in my PoE.
It's their fault in the first place.

the fact that you dont think theyre doing anything doesnt mean theyre actually not doing anything

youre better than that norwe

[osuka]

as of page 47, a50 is no longer in my exec pool for d1

[osuka]

Okay I actually still think it's t3 here and y'all are gonna let him slip away

why?

[osuka]

-you get zero info about andante/azaariah/t3 regardless of alignment, who are all hot topics

Why are you so focused on those slots though?
I think the current Azaariah wagon is a waste of time. An distraction.
And T3 has just one person voting them.

please elaborate on how the aza wagon is a waste of time

[osuka]

Norwee.. I'm NOT scum hunting in this game. I am in fact TOWN hunting. OK? Gamma is in my PoE. I don't know if he's Scum or not, so he's as good a vote as any of the other 6 (Yes, I have 7 in my PoE, and only 5 TRs so far.. aside from my own slot)

I like this, town hunting typically works best for me.

VOTE: T3

I'd like to bring more attention to T3, cause there's been like no conversation here, and he's not towny

if youre gonna try to kickstart a wagon you better write down at least some meaningful words in the process

[osuka]

I mean, does literally anyone else have a better idea for a direction to go today? It's just like, "I go I can't understand how you have T3 as anything more than null Jeff" and everyone pretty much just ignores T3, T3 doesn't do much, and there's a page of youtube videos, Jeff has A50 as the strongest tr?? I would be ok with T3/Jeff/ Possibly A50 going today, I think in them, we don't go wrong

It just feels bad, i don't think T3 has been nearly as do-nothing as you claim he is.
And it's like if someone were to ask me to put down my dog.
Like sure, maybe he has rabies as they claim, but what if he doesn't?

what if t3 is frothing at the mouth? does that not very strongly suggest rabies?

[osuka]

osuka - idk

good analysis

[osuka]

well maybe i do scum read t3. but i feel that way with just about everyone considering me as a possibility today. it's annoying that there are no actual reasons to be pushing me.
geraint says "one naughty point for you for jumping from one failed wagon to another" which is ??? given my aggressive pushes, you really think i would've just given up or you think im afraid to be 1v1ing? the aggressive pushes just dont come from scum but even if they did, they mean i am playing the risky game. then why would i hold back? andante is still a very real mislim option and i had built up a lot on them. even more, i decide to post a huge post about why andante needs to die even as town right before a 180 shift to a townread and a completely retracted push? make that make sense.

osuka says "fuck this shit your shit doesn't make fucking sense" no logic, no actual progression. just cuss words and rudeness. i dont know what im even supposed to say. the posts are long but they end up saying nothing at the end of the day except "azar is so scummy. they are so scummy. they dont make sense. they are scum" there's nothing else.

t3 says "you're not reading my explanations and shading my two sentence long reads list" calling t3's poe bad is not scummy. that was the whole reason and prior to this, there was no read on me. the last thing close to a read was t3 agreeing with everything i said on andante and voting andante while they were at e-2 or something similar. if t3 is town, it doesn't make sense for me to be scum so the whole push is just ??? if i were scum, i definitely could've gotten them quick hammered. is that risky play? yes but if im scum, isn't that exactly what i've been doing anyways?

the whole wagon on me is really just one sentence reasonings that don't honestly make that much logical sense. despite my andante push being wrong, every point was explained and hashed out whereas here the longest explanations are osukas and they dont really say anything.

piss poor

"maybe" you scumread t3? "maybe" you feel that way with "just about" everyone considering you as a possibility? is this mass omgus?

you're downplaying an actual push on the basis of nothing because there are, yes, actual reasons to push you, some of which ive outlined. the fact that you can't extract meaning from words doesn't mean the meaning isn't there - that's neither my problem nor my concern, really, and if you truly wanted to understand to properly argue against and/or dismiss, you'd ask instead of just posting this sad attempt at deflection

[osuka]

Look, I briefly skimmed this morning, saw Jeff claiming miller? and I wanted clarification there, that's really the only reason I even posted, I don't recall any of your recent lines tbh

informed miller, fullclaiming
i am informed that Andante is in the game

they had us in the first half, coach

[osuka]

reveal yourself

Dude, not cool.
It's not up to you to decide that.

i dont know if this is a joke but if it isn't, then should i just make a couple different alts every day and start posting on them? the rules are there for a reason

[osuka]

Dude, not cool.
It's not up to you to decide that.

He's talking about the alt slip. I don't think he got to the point where Aza claimed it yet.

i hadn't

[osuka]

as of page 47, a50 is no longer in my exec pool for d1

gameing

explain

[osuka]

the read itself isn't persuasive. in fact i actually dont like the arguments but i feel like it probably comes from town which gives it more credibility to me.

????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

[osuka]

it doesn't make sense, therefore it's town? what the fuck am i reading? have i finally truly lost my mind? what is reality? is this all a dream?

[osuka]

if april didn't scum read you, i wouldn't question it most likely. whether or not that is entirely true, i cannot be sure but i do feel that is true so it does have to do with them.

let me see if i have this straight: you're afraid of april pocketing you or something, so you're not quite townreading that slot or you are but don't want to, and yet you're sheeping the slot's fucking reads? is that right?

[osuka]

mass omgus?

yeah

"there are no reasons to vote me"

if i took a shit on my keyboard and smashed it with a hammer seven times over, id STILL be posting better content than you are right now

[osuka]

well fuck my reads lists now i think you're town again. i hate myself sometimes. why do i just write my unfiltered thoughts in games like this where i always get scum read for doing exactly that? i dont know at this point.

who is this directed at

[osuka]

well maybe i do scum read t3. but i feel that way with just about everyone considering me as a possibility today. it's annoying that there are no actual reasons to be pushing me.
geraint says "one naughty point for you for jumping from one failed wagon to another" which is ??? given my aggressive pushes, you really think i would've just given up or you think im afraid to be 1v1ing? the aggressive pushes just dont come from scum but even if they did, they mean i am playing the risky game. then why would i hold back? andante is still a very real mislim option and i had built up a lot on them. even more, i decide to post a huge post about why andante needs to die even as town right before a 180 shift to a townread and a completely retracted push? make that make sense.

osuka says "fuck this shit your shit doesn't make fucking sense" no logic, no actual progression. just cuss words and rudeness. i dont know what im even supposed to say. the posts are long but they end up saying nothing at the end of the day except "azar is so scummy. they are so scummy. they dont make sense. they are scum" there's nothing else.

t3 says "you're not reading my explanations and shading my two sentence long reads list" calling t3's poe bad is not scummy. that was the whole reason and prior to this, there was no read on me. the last thing close to a read was t3 agreeing with everything i said on andante and voting andante while they were at e-2 or something similar. if t3 is town, it doesn't make sense for me to be scum so the whole push is just ??? if i were scum, i definitely could've gotten them quick hammered. is that risky play? yes but if im scum, isn't that exactly what i've been doing anyways?

the whole wagon on me is really just one sentence reasonings that don't honestly make that much logical sense. despite my andante push being wrong, every point was explained and hashed out whereas here the longest explanations are osukas and they dont really say anything.

piss poor

"maybe" you scumread t3? "maybe" you feel that way with "just about" everyone considering you as a possibility? is this mass omgus?

you're downplaying an actual push on the basis of nothing because there are, yes, actual reasons to push you, some of which ive outlined. the fact that you can't extract meaning from words doesn't mean the meaning isn't there - that's neither my problem nor my concern, really, and if you truly wanted to understand to properly argue against and/or dismiss, you'd ask instead of just posting this sad attempt at deflection

Why are you so angry?

i'm not angry

[osuka]

It feels like i have to walk in tiptoes around you so you don't start shouting at me or something.

just don't say dumb shit and i'll never have to yell at you over text

[osuka]

other than in excitement

i might yell in excitement

[osuka]

And the reason why i have Geraint and A50 so differently, despite doing pretty much the same thing. Is that Geraint feels genuinely lost, while A50 feels like they’re just doing it on purpose.

this is the first eyebrow-raising thing youve said about a50. care to elaborate?

There's not much to elaborate on, i feel like Geraint is the type of player that will always act like a lost puppy on day 1, no matter how much he tries. But i know from experience that A50 can do better than what i felt he had done up to that point, and even though he excuses himself by saying it's day 1, that he should be a bit more... proactive i guess?

gotcha

i just wanted to know in a bit more detail what you meant because i thought that was a genuinely interesting point. i dont really think a50 is playing dumb or anything but i thought that post in particular stood out as noteworthy

[osuka]

-you get zero info about andante/azaariah/t3 regardless of alignment, who are all hot topics

Why are you so focused on those slots though?
I think the current Azaariah wagon is a waste of time. An distraction.
And T3 has just one person voting them.

please elaborate on how the aza wagon is a waste of time

I just don't think Aza sounds like scum. Their post feel very genuine to me, and i think their read on Andante going from hard scum to actually hard town is a pretty good take that scum will probably be a bit more vague on and excuse themselves by just mumbling "maybe Andante is town" and subtly unvoting or something.

i mean i'll summarize for you: the original push was dogshit, to the point where they literally said they don't really believe what they're posting, THEN they backed off as soon as i started to call out the push as being garbage and then half-assed some """progression""" to make it look like theyre remotely resembling legit and then started playing the victim that's pretending like they dont know what the fuck is going on

make sense now?

[osuka]

-you get zero info about andante/azaariah/t3 regardless of alignment, who are all hot topics

Why are you so focused on those slots though?
I think the current Azaariah wagon is a waste of time. An distraction.
And T3 has just one person voting them.

please elaborate on how the aza wagon is a waste of time

I just don't think Aza sounds like scum. Their post feel very genuine to me, and i think their read on Andante going from hard scum to actually hard town is a pretty good take that scum will probably be a bit more vague on and excuse themselves by just mumbling "maybe Andante is town" and subtly unvoting or something.

i mean i'll summarize for you: the original push was dogshit, to the point where they literally said they don't really believe what they're posting, THEN they backed off as soon as i started to call out the push as being garbage and then half-assed some """progression""" to make it look like theyre remotely resembling legit and then started playing the victim that's pretending like they dont know what the fuck is going on

make sense now?

But i don't see this coming from scum.
Why would a scum!Azaariah say: "they don't believe what they themselves are saying." Never mind that you'd be shooting yourself in the foot as a scum player, it just sounds really bad. And i don't think they are that bad, based on the analyzing posts they've made so far?
And the last parts i don't really understand why you think are faked? It seems genuine to me.

have you seriously never seen scum do dumb shit? have you really never seen scum do shit that _looks_ dumb just so that we're having this exact conversation?

[osuka]

well fuck my reads lists now i think you're town again. i hate myself sometimes. why do i just write my unfiltered thoughts in games like this where i always get scum read for doing exactly that? i dont know at this point.

Like to explain what it is i mean, the last part of this post just feels really townie to me because it's a thought i often have myself when i'm town. But never as scum, so it's the same as Hello Jeff in regards to me. Unless Azari is explicitly trying... and knows EXACTLY how to pocket me and that is what they are aiming for. This just feels like a very townie thought process.

"why do i write my unfiltered thoughts" is a scum problem, not a town problem. if you're town, then you're playing in a townie way unless doing otherwise intentionally - so your unfiltered thoughts probably look townie, because they are

this is a bad take

[osuka]

This game is going right over my head rn

what about it

[osuka]

and you can thank aza for the lack of content because for whatever reason they refuse to respond to the push in any meaningful way

[osuka]

sorry should i have responded that it was a fucking piss poor post like you've done to all of my posts?

are you selectively blind?

i elaborated on what exactly i thought was dogshit. can you do the same, or is that too difficult?

[osuka]

you're full of shit

i haven't attacked you personally at any point - i've attacked your content because it is, bar none, the worst coming out of any player in the game so far. if you're insulted, let me remind you that the sort of shit you've been writing is bordering on an insult to everyone's intelligence because we, the rest of the playerlist, are in fact not stupid, but you're pretending like a lot of us are. when you start making sense, i'll stop calling your posts garbage

make sense?

[osuka]

whoa

[osuka]

it’s like there’s an echo in here but it only repeats back some of what you say to make it sound stupid

[osuka]

"why do i write my unfiltered thoughts" is a scum problem, not a town problem. if you're town, then you're playing in a townie way unless doing otherwise intentionally - so your unfiltered thoughts probably look townie, because they are

Then why do i often get called scum when i am in fact town in a lot of previous game where i am unfiltered?
I don’t really agree it’s a scum problem.
As scum you’re naturally going to play more filtered and withhold or spew information you wouldn’t naturally make. Because your goal isn’t to be genuine but just make up a narrative that fits your goal of protecting yourself and your scum mates.

isn’t that the whole point? it sounds like you’re agreeing with me, but you’re contradicting yourself in the process

you said that scum usually filters (correct), but also that you get scumread for turning the filter off - isn’t that a contradiction? if filtering is scum behavior, isn’t not doing that… not? if so, wouldn’t you get townread for posting genuine thoughts even if they’re occasionally confused? if that’s the case, isn’t that the exact opposite of a problem?

[osuka]

as of page 47, a50 is no longer in my exec pool for d1

gameing

explain

you think the funky monkey is town, and i think that's pretty
gameing

what the fuck does gameing mean

[osuka]

Sometimes you withhold reads that don’t feel constructive, like unfounded paranoia

like filtering yourself is on a spectrum right? it’s not a discrete classification, there are levels to it and there are levels that i would say are damaging (too much noise?) and others that i think are scummy (too opaque?)

in any case i don’t see norwe’s point here - i understand it but it doesn’t make sense because it’s self-contradictory

[osuka]

what if we just burn the entire osuka slot instead?
VOTE: osuka

what if you reply intelligently to what i’ve said? i can keep doing this all day, you’ll have to do a lot worse than that to get under my skin

[osuka]

you’re dismissing my push on the basis of me being an ass, which is completely invalid because even if i am being a complete ass, the points being made are completely independent from the person making them

[osuka]

i’m not gonna lay off this until the slot properly responds to the push by the way

[osuka]

Ok, but to be fair that initial T3 wagon was RVS, people unvoted once they were like "ahhh e-2" and trying to say anything about the first rvs wagon?? It doesn't mean a lot, only useful for seeing how the person reacts,
[snip] -HJ

oh t3 wagon didn't feel like RVS for sure, i think both people i cased had reactions to the case that the thread was split on and that was pretty fine for like, page 5 reads

Vote Count 1.0.1


T3 (5) Dwlee99, osuka, Hella Jeff, NorwegianboyEE, Gamma Emerald [E-2]
Gamma Emerald (2) Holiday, geraintm
Andante (1) Azaariah
Hella Jeff (1) Almost50

Not Voting (13) Andante, T3, April Ludgate, Something_Smart

Deadline: (expired on 2021-11-22 18:17:16)

Mod Notes:
VC is done by hand. Please let me know if I mess something up.

NorwegianboyEE replaces Free Spirit.

what.

i want to say that T3 not really caring that they were at E-2 earlygame, then getting really pissed when someone mentioned them at E-1 (which ended up being false) leans town? but excuse my hedginess

Hella Jeff and Norwegian derailed the T3 wagon.

Then the Andante wagon started up. Norwegian/T3 started, but they also backed off.

Then T3 hops onto azaar.

Interesting, there is a lot of circulation around T3.

i have no idea why i marked this post for myself i dont have anything to say to it except for "true"
someone teach me how to improve my memory

It’s literally just gaming spelled differantly

gamma locktown

on an unrelated note,
i remember thinking there was a lot to osuka's 944 which made me kinda bothered when a couple of people were like "azaariah voters are shallow"
still think there is a lot, just slightly less than i thought; maybe the cursing fluffed it up and made it look stronger than it was
one of my gripes is this quote:

i have so many questions from this post. why are you saying andante has to be vt or scum? that's a reach. why are you saying andante's flip is bad if you're scum? that puts pressure on you? that's nothing you can't deflect if you're good enough at it. if i'm scum, i'll take that trade and honestly a good scum player can get out of much, much worse than that.

i think the way you've been treating them makes me feel like you don't believe them to be that excellent of a mafia (alignment.) player. therefore, wouldn't you think the azaa slot to be slightly townier when they note that an andante greenflip would give them a lot of trouble? because i feel like from your perspective it would make a good bit of sense that "how much conflict they're creating is outside of their scumrange" is a valid consideration

have you seriously never seen scum do dumb shit? have you really never seen scum do shit that _looks_ dumb just so that we're having this exact conversation?

and yeah you've dived into this topic before. do you have any games where scum basically buried themselves to this extent?

my point is that they didn’t bury themselves that bad, but they’re pretending to have done so. aza is sitting there going “would scum have done that???” while pretending like they would never have gotten out of that when any good mafia player could’ve done so. i have no reason to believe that’s outside of their scum range, so really i do believe they could’ve pulled that and reasonably gotten away with it

[osuka]

disclaimer: i am very drunk. ask me any questions you want answered honestly, you have just about an hour before i go the fuck to sleep

[osuka]

Sometimes you withhold reads that don’t feel constructive, like unfounded paranoia

like filtering yourself is on a spectrum right? it’s not a discrete classification, there are levels to it and there are levels that i would say are damaging (too much noise?) and others that i think are scummy (too opaque?)

in any case i don’t see norwe’s point here - i understand it but it doesn’t make sense because it’s self-contradictory

Self-contradictory how

"why do i write my unfiltered thoughts" is a scum problem, not a town problem. if you're town, then you're playing in a townie way unless doing otherwise intentionally - so your unfiltered thoughts probably look townie, because they are

Then why do i often get called scum when i am in fact town in a lot of previous game where i am unfiltered?
I don’t really agree it’s a scum problem.
As scum you’re naturally going to play more filtered and withhold or spew information you wouldn’t naturally make. Because your goal isn’t to be genuine but just make up a narrative that fits your goal of protecting yourself and your scum mates.

isn’t that the whole point? it sounds like you’re agreeing with me, but you’re contradicting yourself in the process

you said that scum usually filters (correct), but also that you get scumread for turning the filter off - isn’t that a contradiction? if filtering is scum behavior, isn’t not doing that… not? if so, wouldn’t you get townread for posting genuine thoughts even if they’re occasionally confused? if that’s the case, isn’t that the exact opposite of a problem?

[osuka]

But as you can see by post times I put in the effort to actually read your isos in your past 7 or so games and it took an hour and 16 minutes.

@echant

Well he didn't read mine, but it's something funny.

Like i don't know how desperate you need to read previous games. If for example i am scum here, aren't you supposed to use info gived here, not "Oh well on 2009 i saw Enchant stabbing ppl, probably doing it now". If this is only argumentation, well fuck.


I am not saying it useless, but if for condemn me you need to read previous games, then probably you just trying to condemn me at all cost?

i'm usually critical of reads overly based on meta but this is a bad take. some players have tells that you can pick out by reading previous games and seeing patterns in games you know the outcome of in terms of their alignment, then try to classify the current game based off of that information

it only really bothers me when people try to pretend it's a super high confidence read when all it is is just meta

[osuka]

ive played together with norwe and i haven't had problems in the past, not sure why it's an issue now

[osuka]

no i get what you're saying, i just don't understand how you got there. what you've said so far makes sense in terms of thought process but not logically, so i'm inclined to say it's wrong but i know you're not dumb (much to the opposite really) so i'm not immediately dismissing it as being wrong

make sense?

[osuka]

I like Something_Smart here and A50 just wants to wagon him? lmaoo ok my job on figuring out who im voting is easy today
VOTE: A50 [\vote]

?????????????
omgus by proxy?????

[osuka]

This is the most conversation in like 48 hours, also if osuka shows up and makes another big fight happen, I’m just voting osuka out. I know it’s tied to how osuka plays, but if it happens again, I don’t think there’s good intentions behind it

that's cute but really if i call you out for saying dumb shit, it's your fault for having said dumb shit to begin with

[osuka]

oh holiday had a fucking meltdown, thats cool i guess

[osuka]

so i dont really feel like i have a good grip on what the fuck is going on for the first time in the game so far

i think i need to take a step back for a second

[osuka]

oh dear okay

[osuka]

@holiday if you had to choose one slot to execute tomorrow, who would it be?

[osuka]

follow-up question: out of a50, april, and dwlee, which ones are you naming out of spite and which ones are you naming out of game-related stuff?

[osuka]

can you rank them from least to most scummy? what about teams? is that trio your take on a solve?

[osuka]

oh lmao what the fuck it was a fake hammer? i thought it was real, it got me good

[osuka]

i kinda want april to be in the game for at least one more day because that slot is very difficult to read and the extra day would be very helpful there

since there are no viable wagons other than holiday and april, i think i can compromise on holiday

[osuka]

then again i dont know if scum holiday reacts like that to a fake hammer. i'm willing to flip over to april. thoughts?

[osuka]

actually fuck it
VOTE: april

[osuka]

i also want to say for the record that in the time that it took me to type 1862 and 1863 i changed my mind from declaring intent to hammer to hopping on the april wagon, so you know whatever let's get it

[osuka]

i also want to say, a third time, for the record, that enchant was still the optimal flip today so clearly everyone's lost their minds

[osuka]

Like MAYBE if it's a completely new player reacting to a fake hammer, but like Holiday is experienced enough to have an alt for this site and I should expect them as scum to not be able to count and then act like they were about to flip town and ~totally believed~ it was a real hammer?

ive fallen for it and not as a new player

[osuka]

like fallen for it being on the "being fakehammered" end of a vote

[osuka]

Weird kill.

[osuka]

No, BG doesn't have medical license.

Therefore, not Doctor.


Either way, it most likely points one of them is fake. Problem is knowing who exactly.

i mean look i realize this is not a datisi setup or anything but i did play a really wacko setup at one point recently, so i wouldnt immediately toss out the possibility of two doctors

[osuka]

I have a guilty.

uhhhh

[osuka]

i dont think norwe typically pulls this sort of shit when it's not real so im inclined to believe it, but really i have no idea what the vc is at so ill wait until im done catching up

should only take 1 hour 16 minutes

[osuka]

Ok i just wanted your reactions.

I lied.
I have no guilty on you.

UNVOTE:

lmao 2579 aged well

[osuka]

I feel like the thought behind the kill was to make April look more sus. But if there are two protective roles and mafia didn’t touch them then that is a bit strange.

2 claimed town doctors is ridiculously strong so im not sure thats whats going on here

even though i did just say not to discard that possibility, i think thats really unlikely

[osuka]

I gotta be real honest with yall, I have only skimmed since yall last heard from me, the holidays have had me super busy, and my wifi was acting up half the time I was trying to post, excuses over, I think this town is in desperate need of a scum hunting doggo!!! means I probably need to read the last 500 posts :/ I can try and answer questions for yall, but I mean, without any of yall's new info, I'd probably still push for an April lim. April did a lot where I was like, they are not town... basically went "limming the vt is our best option" along with "no one can claim, yet we can mass claim tomorrow" so unless I see something to change my mind, I'll likely still go for April here, I don't care that april claimed doc. I find it funny we have 2 dead VTs and alive outed BG/Doc

i think aprils reaction to norwe was really towny

[osuka]

My success rate at reading some certain people is actually pretty sick. And i think Geraint is one of those people. He just seems a bit clueless at this game, and i believe that is town indicative for him.
So i don't really want him as the lim, i see far better options.

You TR someone for being clueless? How the heck is that town indicative? wouldn't it just be null if they haven't done anything? Not scummy = not scum. easy read. not this "I think cluelessness is town indicative" like wtf?? weak reasoning

bad take

[osuka]

I mean, I'd argue against my slot being weak, but it's been like 3 days since I did anything, and osuka/a50 are weak slots this game, so by your own logic, you're pushing weak slots, also known as not even trying to play

VOTE: Norwee

im never a weak slot and right now neither is a50

nice try though

[osuka]

I think it's freaking histerical the 2 times I've been pushed are when/cause I've been gone. like wow. I'm sorry I'm busy!!! Sorry yall don't like the reads I do give, I don't trust April, never have, but guess what, Aza tunneled me for that, and now you are, cause you know it worked so well for aza. this is ridiculous

youre misrepping the push, and youre being pushed because you misrepped norwes post to begin with

make a note to vote this when i see a vote count

[osuka]

Annoyed i am

so am i

how about you sense start making?

[osuka]

On Holiday and Tracer actually. That is 2 for 2 so far.

If I called everyone Town I'd be 10/13 in ever standard mini. If I called everyone Scum though I would have caught ALL Scum in ALL my games, so 100% hit rate. *Sigh*

data_scientist.jpg

[osuka]

Alright i lost all mental power for this day.

I have guilty on T3.

???????????

[osuka]

are we all claiming guilties? i have a guilty on the mod

[osuka]

like how many PRs can you have in a mini?

[osuka]

Anyway.

I am Combined Voyer-Follower. I discover type of ability target performed and type of ability's performed on target.

I targeted T3 last night. He didn't do anything. But.
Someone ELSE used protective ability on them. And April claimed she was on SS.

It makes up for Third Protective Claim, which i doubt.
Moreover T3 have almost zero excuses to not act. I would knew if he was roleblocked or jailed, and he was not, it means he simple... Can't protect and thus not bodyguard. Or didn't apply action, that's kinda reason why i asked him question but he fucking dissapear and turned me mad.
Or well Ninja-Roleblocker but this is specific shit.

did t3 claim _ungated_ bodyguard? how does no action mean a guilty?

most pressingly, what about a mafia jailkeeper?

[osuka]

I have a weird feeling this might be a traitor game

interesting take

does it say thats what you are in your role pm?

[osuka]

Please

ahahahahahah what the fuck is going on

[osuka]

VOTE: andante

ill reconsider when the fakeclaiming fake guiltying bullshit goes away and everyones making sense again

[osuka]

Y not just kill T3.

I already explained that. T3 is basically "dead scum walking". Him not doing anything last night points to him being a Goon. I want to try to hunt for a Scum PR. We have a "Scum Doctor" (as per Enchant's result) and a "Scum Role Cop" (as per Dwlee's claim). The latter is what concerns me more at this point.

counterpoint: if t3 is gated scum pr, isnt it sensible to let someone else perform the night kill?

[osuka]

Y not just kill T3.

I already explained that. T3 is basically "dead scum walking". Him not doing anything last night points to him being a Goon. I want to try to hunt for a Scum PR. We have a "Scum Doctor" (as per Enchant's result) and a "Scum Role Cop" (as per Dwlee's claim). The latter is what concerns me more at this point.

counterpoint: if t3 is gated scum pr, isnt it sensible to let someone else perform the night kill?

Countercounterpoint: What gated Scum PR stays put on D1? Give me ONE Role you think would do that.

{even-day, day 2} mafia {role}

[osuka]

or night whatever you know what i mean, even night gated scum can’t do anything

why are you getting intentionally obtuse

[osuka]

oh you’re right i suppose i can’t fucking read, never mind that then

[osuka]

gated mafia role thing still applies though

[osuka]

why are you getting intentionally obtuse

I am not the one arguing both ways of my mouth. YOU were looking for outs for T3, yet YOU are arguing he might be a Scum PR (which -btw- would make the scum team ALL PRs)

im missing out on how the scum team would be all PRs if t3 was scum pr, but i'm only pointing out that the reasoning in that push was flawed

[osuka]

i also honestly just misread the voyeur-follower claim and the first bit i wrote actually just doesn't apply anymore because the voyeur saw t3 not being visited, so we actually do know for a fact that he didn't do anything as opposed to being roleblocked

[osuka]

Yeah, I’m just paranoid, i feel. I’m gonna trust it, and then die before it matters anyways.

T3, Andante with one of Dwlee, Osuka makes sense, and I generally want to believe Dwlee is town, but covering the bases

you sr osuka for not talking? interesting

when did they say that?

[osuka]

is it like unavoidable for you to misrep?

[osuka]

andante's biological imperatives: eating food, drinking water, sleeping, and misrepping everyone in games of mafia

[osuka]

Yeah, I’m just paranoid, i feel. I’m gonna trust it, and then die before it matters anyways.

T3, Andante with one of Dwlee, Osuka makes sense, and I generally want to believe Dwlee is town, but covering the bases

you sr osuka for not talking? interesting

think you get better results if you ask directly why someone has another person as POE

No one even takes me seriously so ehhh, anytime I try and do something I get yelled at and it's all "you must be scum for that!!!" so meh

the reason nobody's taking you seriously is because you haven't said anything worthy of being taken seriously for the entire day

[osuka]

UNVOTE:

why???

[osuka]

Something_Smart!!!! I know you're around, you're the nicest one here, tell me, is it a good idea to drag out D2, or just end it now?

Well my opinion is that T3 is guiltied scum and if that's accurate, then it should be ended now.

I don't think anyone has put together a well-reasoned counterargument; some people want to keep him alive despite agreeing that he's scum which is utterly silly with a follower around. And he doesn't really seem interested in saving himself, so... I'm thinking you can end it.

And ninja'd by the unvote lol. I think it still holds though?

see this is where i have a problem with the push - i do think t3 is scummy, even if not as much as andante, but how is there a guilty there? the voyeur-follower slot confirmed that he didn't do anything and it wasn't because of a roleblock, and he himself admitted to having fakeclaimed. is that all there is? that doesn't actually make a guilty

[osuka]

like this whole push just kinda reeks