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[April Ludgate]

So on a scale of 1 to 10, how likely do you think it is that I'm a miller?

[April Ludgate]

Way too early solve is Free Spirit, T3, and Hella Jeff.

[April Ludgate]

Gamma Emerald
geraintm
Dwlee99
Almost50
Osuka

Something_Smart

Azaariah
Andante
Holiday

T3

Free Spirit
Hella Jeff

No ranking between tiers. Don't worry, analysis is coming sometime. I'll likely be keeping it casual, checking in once, maybe twice a day.

[April Ludgate]

how confident are you in those reads?

Not confident enough to expect to be wrong on all 3, confident enough that I don't think all 3 are in my greens.

[April Ludgate]

how confident are you in those reads?

Not confident enough to expect to be

wrong

right on all 3, confident enough that I don't think all 3 are in my greens.

[April Ludgate]

especially if you're basically saying you're sticking by them

You like to put words into people's mouths before they've said them, don't you?

I understand the feeling.

[April Ludgate]

especially if you're basically saying you're sticking by them

You like to put words into people's mouths before they've said them, don't you?

I understand the feeling.

I mean, as a fellow person who will out a lot of reads/whatnot, I usually tr people who out reads/whatnot before me (with reasonings) but the timing, I don't get it, like, you color coded it, but why? what about when you posted it made it a good time to go "here's where my reads are at so far" when there was basically no genuine conversation in the first 100 posts? like, maybe if you wanna share reasons you scum lean people? like, if you SRed someone, wouldn't you want to start pushing them?? I'm trying to figure out your motivations here.

For starters, look what happened after I did to one of my middle reads.

[April Ludgate]

Gamma Emerald
geraintm
Dwlee99
Almost50
Osuka

Something_Smart
T3
Andante

Azaariah
Holiday

Free Spirit
Hella Jeff

[April Ludgate]

But on a serious note, like, if you expect me to remember your past read chart? fam. I just remember purple left, like, changing reads with no explanation? April, that is not helpful to anyone, so clearly you TR T3, but I want to know for what. Holiday got scummier? Holiday hasn't posted. Like this annoys me the most currently lol you refusing to explain anything, so after they flip town/scum you'll be all "oh it wasn't a strong read anyways" tell us your reasons now, because I'm not gonna deal with this.

This is cute.

[April Ludgate]

I can see me and April are going to have some fundamental beef in this game on account of them slapping blocks of reads in the page while i explain everything i do.
And as an bonus they have me as top scum too for some reason.

For what it's worth, I meant to put you in the tier where T3 was on the second one.

[April Ludgate]

I can see me and April are going to have some fundamental beef in this game on account of them slapping blocks of reads in the page while i explain everything i do.
And as an bonus they have me as top scum too for some reason.

For what it's worth, I meant to put you in the tier where T3 was on the second one.

*where T3 was on the first one, in the second one.

[April Ludgate]

I'm keeping my vote on April, it's a serious vote, not rvs. I like fun and games, but this aint vibing

Keeping me nice and cozy.

[April Ludgate]

I haven't really done anything significantly game related

I disagree.

[April Ludgate]

People think RVS and the random nature of it is NAI, but it's one of the most telling areas of the game, it's just hard to see in the present time. The beginning of the game is where the social dynamics begin to form, and initial gamestate is created.

[April Ludgate]

When asked to explain a single read. we get nothing.

You could respect my comment about explaining later instead of wanting everything now now now. Just a thought.

[April Ludgate]

I'm sure you'll get your answer eventually.

[April Ludgate]

I would just claim Doc.

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I'd also like to believe that April wouldn't make that coy of a line as scum but they're probably brazen enough to if they were.

I probably would. Here's the guide I wrote about how to play scum about a year and a half ago, which is a pretty good insight into my mind, I feel.

I intended to play a lurky game, for what it's worth, but people like to hyperfocus on me, and I react.

[April Ludgate]

@Doggie - Just try and not focus on my read's list for a bit, if you think t3 is scummy, that's totally okay, I could be wrong. It's early Day 1. If anything it's a gamestate check for my own sense, and I will come back to it, but not nearly enough players have come into the game for me to want to reveal why I think the reads I do quite yet. I'd rather not dissuade you from pushing t3 if that's what you want, but at the end of the day, look at how much discussion came from me simply saying nothing and putting t3 up a notch.

[April Ludgate]

@osuka - I remember everyone, except for the ones that I don't.

[April Ludgate]

so you think that if i posted a reads list and someone asked me a specific question about it, some newly replaced in person saying "it'd be really scummy if Azaariah replies [this]" isn't strange?

Well, it would be strange, but not for that reason. It wouldn't be any less strange if someone who'd already interacted with you a bunch said it.

I kind of understand their Andante push. Andante commented after and added like 4 things that I didn't say, and then shaded. It was like they were trying to create shade to throw onto me out of nothing, and then they layered and started to comment on the layers.

If you look into the posts, I really didn't do anything, and Andante pushed it like I was doing something unfathomable.

[April Ludgate]

I don't necessarily agree with the conclusion, but I understand the push itself, because I was pinged by it initially, but then eventually moved Andante up. One of the reasons I let Andante run.

[April Ludgate]

april why did you move andante up? they've done nothing productive since.

They kept blatantly throwing words into my mouth in a way I think they were completely unaware of them doing so, whereas a scum likely would have been more aware.

I could be underestimating Andante, but I don't believe I am.

[April Ludgate]

In my first reads list, I had T3 listed pretty low, because I thought the interactions between Hella Jeff, Spirit, and T3 were odd, and in between my first and second reads list, I highly expected T3 to become the fall wagon, and the wagon that scum was going to let town naturally jump on. There likely is a scum on that wagon, but I dont think there has to be more than 1. There can be, but yeah.

I also believe Hella Jeff to have been playing a highly political game since before I even posted, as he was one of the first players to establish any sort of position in the gamestate.

I also felt the tingles within Spirit/Hella Jeff talks and believed there to be scum in there, but wasn't sure where. I have started to lean town a bit more on Norwegian, which when he is scum, from what I remember, I was able to sniff that out pretty easily, but I don't believe I have enough experience with them, let alone recent experience, and I'm trying to not use meta in the first place.

VOTE: Hella Jeff

[April Ludgate]

i have april-level confidence on them...

Everyone assumed I was confident with my reads, but I actively said it was early Day 1, and I'm known for drastically flip flopping on my reads.

This alongside Hella Jeff agreeing with my top 5 being "unironically good" then trying to add Geraint back into my vote pool confirms to me that my reads list is something on Hella Jeff's radar.

I believe them to be doing damage control on me.

[April Ludgate]

Damage control?
As in your reads are 2good?

Just on themself. I likely have 1 scum in my greens, then 1 in the middle.

[April Ludgate]

And I don't believe it to be Geraint.

[April Ludgate]

Gamma Emerald
geraintm
Dwlee99
Almost50
Osuka

Something_Smart
T3
Andante

Azaariah
Holiday

Free Spirit
Hella Jeff

So if I take this list.

Gamma, Dwlee, Geraint, A50, osuka
Something Smart, T3, Andante (azaariah, Holiday)
Free Spirit, Hella Jeff (azaariah, Holiday)

Accept Azaariah/Holiday to be in one of the bottom 2 groups, they're not necessarily exclusive atm.
Gamestate reading, i dont believe all 3 scum to be in one group.

[April Ludgate]

Gamma, Dwlee, Geraint, A50, osuka
Something Smart, T3, Andante (azaariah, Holiday)
Free Spirit, Hella Jeff (azaariah, Holiday)

this is irregardless of where the color is on them, I'm willing to reset my reads and start from this base in actuality.

[April Ludgate]

I have started to lean town a bit more on Norwegian, which when he is scum, from what I remember, I was able to sniff that out pretty easily,

I thought i’d never been scum VS town!you in a game yet.

I was on Pretentious, and y'all dog piled me, but I was pushing you and Gamma as scum, and when ABR flipped, I knew it was him too.

[April Ludgate]

got me faded, though, that game.

[April Ludgate]

eh, there was one game then. I specifically remember a game where you ended up being scum, but frankly, i'm not putting much weight into meta anyways. I also don't care to try and find it.

[April Ludgate]

In the end, it just shows how little stock I put into remembering it, especially considering I was only in it 1 day phase.

[April Ludgate]

I typically don't remember games unless I'm in them late game, and even then, I've had people try to reference games, and I have no clue what theyre talking about.

Going on 8 years since I started on this site, and at a lot of points, I was one of the most active players, being in like 4 games at once average, so I lose a lot of the inbetween.

[April Ludgate]

I thought you were roasting me by saying how little worth my games are remembering.

I don't roast people, I toast 'em.

[April Ludgate]

I don't understand what I say half the time, but you bet your butter I mean em

[April Ludgate]

And i do have a lot of experience with scum!Flavour Leaf

I would say you are 4th most familiar in this game, but that's just because there are 3 others who are very familiar.

However, I do believe you only saw one run of my scum play that was in the same six month period?

[April Ludgate]

Actually, let's just say Norwee's an expert because that's credibility for me to being town, which they are correct in.

[April Ludgate]

Anime theme is forever.

I was barely scum that game.

I have my own thoughts on that game, and end of the day, none of them are negative towards you.

[April Ludgate]

I knew before that game even started, I was likely leaving site soon. That whole last run of mine just felt terrible, even though I had a couple really good games. Flavor vs Hectic and that game, early on in both, I had decided were my last games.

Didn't expect to come back, tbh, but I was able to catch an NFT rug pull before it happened, and I found myself getting in the mood to catch some scum.

I'm just here to have some fun, cuz catching scum, and foolin' townies is just a good time.

[April Ludgate]

If we don't fade Hella Jeff today, I'm down to deal with the Azaar/Andante 1v1 today, and even have them claim. I think we should consolidate by page 40, and go to Day 2.

[April Ludgate]

I’m all bout those good vibrations

[April Ludgate]

Wait y'all

I just realized

When people were townreading me why did no one mention I'm Miller

Seriously it was in my first post. Are y'all reading or just posting?

This is why you were in my green

[April Ludgate]

Somebody scum read me, I’ve got a magnetic body, and a bullet’s coming my way

[April Ludgate]

All I got is Hella Jeff, no clue where the other 2 are.

[April Ludgate]

I don’t think it’s Geraint, i don’t think it’s Dwlee.

If I had to make a bet on two, those would probably be the only ones I would, and even then, I’d be paranoid.

Norwegian feeling like town, Andante feeling like town to me. So does t3.

[April Ludgate]

I’m all bout those good vibrations

Spoiler:

Yee Yee, where you at, almost? I don’t have strong reads besides Hella Jeff

[April Ludgate]

If we’re going to be real i think Geraint is just using "day 1 imposs anyways lol" as an way to mask that his early reads are bad.
Because there literally is a ton of evidence that you can have good reads even without a single in-game flip.

I do believe Geraint’s playstyle to be of someone who thinks this about all day 1’s, and i think that the fact it’s coming up so much is in fact because he has no reads, whereas if he was scum, he’d have fabricated some.

I also don’t believe that to be a particularly strong scum move because after Day 1, you get screwed, because you have no gamestate positioning.

[April Ludgate]

And one more thing, how often do scum fake claim miller?

I have not seen a true or fake miller claim in a while. The role has become pretty rare.

It used to be... relatively common, I would say, but maybe I'm biased because I've done it (and got away with it, too, though I probably shouldn't have).

Given that miller has become rarer I would say fakeclaiming it would also probably be rare.

If anything you’re the one that made it common.

[April Ludgate]

My introduction to Something_Smart was in a scum chat before I show up Because a game just started

Something_Smart “i think I’m gonna claim Miller”

I check page 1 of the game, he claimed Miller.

I end up fake claiming cop some 10 pages later.

We won with all 3 scum left alive that game.

Good introduction.

[April Ludgate]

They’re my only strong read, and i haven’t played a game in 10 months, so who knows where my instinct is right now.

[April Ludgate]

They’re my only strong read, and i haven’t played a game in 10 months, so who knows where my instinct is right now.

I haven't ridden a bicycle in more than 30 years, but I'm sure I still can maintain my balance if I did right now

Yeah, i’m still confident in my ability to play Mafia at a moment’s notice, if anything the break has brought more clarity

I’m not feeling the Aza wagon. Feels like the apathy wagon that scum is okay with happening.

[April Ludgate]

UNVOTE:

I have been following some, but the last instance of posting that I was around for was unpleasant enough where I didn’t want to engage for a bit.

I am also busy right now but don’t think that I want to vote this anymore. Unsure who a good alternative is currently; I toyed around with voting Ger but that might be a clash of playstyle. (It was specifically giving Aza a naughty point for pushing T3, characterizing it as one failed push to another. It was the sort of statement that bothered me, because what is Aza supposed to do, simply not vote or suspect anyone?)

Other than that... trying to work through my feelings on Aza. To little success. They feel lost in their latest posts which feels a bit towny to me. Unsure.

Also been wondering here and there if April is playing a... floaty scumgame right now; the way they described Jeff’s posting gives me the same kind of feelings that I feel about their play. I don’t have the time now to try and substantiate that with context but when I’m home I’ll try.

Floaty scum games don’t endgame by me, but I kinda like this analysis.

I can kinda see it, but i wouldn’t say I’m positioning, I’m more just planting myself into the ground, and if something comes into my line of sight, I’ll give it a little tap tap, but then they leave, and I’m like, aight, come back to the stoop later, if ya dare

[April Ludgate]

I don’t hate the Norwegian push by Hella Jeff, but at this point Hella Jeff is aware they’re low for me, so idk.

I’ll probably end up flipping and doing a reanalysis as the game continues

[April Ludgate]

I'm NOT scum hunting in this game. I am in fact TOWN hunting.

eh you say potato, i say potato

[April Ludgate]

I'm NOT scum hunting in this game. I am in fact TOWN hunting.

eh you say potato, i say potato

potato, tomato, same thing

[April Ludgate]

Is April known for doing cop checks on you?

He's known for fakeclaiming and gambiting especially as scum.

Only because people like it more when it's coming from ScumMe.

I feel like I fake claim more as town.

[April Ludgate]

hi april

Superoonie doolie.

[April Ludgate]

For what it's worth, I don't hate A50, but I also wouldn't bet the game on him being town atm, even if I lean town there.

[April Ludgate]

My position is while Gamma and A50 were both general town reads of mine early, I actively said I believed there to be a scum in that green.

I personally wouldn't go either of them today, but I'm biased since I've played with the both of them a lot.

[April Ludgate]

We should flip t3

I took 76 minutes to meta ss

Exactly

Meta bad

Have I ever correctly flipped t3 as scum? YES

Was it an endgame where I had strong townreads on everyone else and t3 kinda flew under my radar except as a "Poe" read for most of the game? Also yes

Okay so let's do this?

this kinda thing will get a miller killed.

[April Ludgate]

Lmao. Unless it's by April, don't trust that shit

What do you mean?
Is April known for doing cop checks on you?

You remember how that person is don't you

i've only played a few times with Norwegian.

[April Ludgate]

I also dont think Norwegian has ever seen me gambit.

[April Ludgate]

VOTE: almost50
If I’m right about who HJ is, them defending A50 this hard is even more damning for him than if I were to give that same type of defense on someone

what the hell is your gameplan?
flip a50, see them green, know that jeff had a godread on them, and try to flip them too?
i could MAYBE see the other way around.
but the way you're doing it means:
-you're almost certainly flipping someone who is rolling town
-you get zero info about andante/azaariah/t3 regardless of alignment, who are all hot topics
what are the actual upsides
it's unbearable

I don't actually like this at all, but I don't necessarily see it unable to come from town.

A50 vs Gamma is actually coming across pretty big, and directly forces more action towards it if this is the way the push ends up going, which forces players like Andante/Aza/t3 to go further into the game, after more info is here.

If anything, I do think A50/Gamma is more informative than one of the other 3, I just would rather misfade one of the others than one of these 2 for personal collaborative reasons, which isn't a strong reason.

[April Ludgate]

We should flip t3

I took 76 minutes to meta ss

Exactly

Meta bad

Have I ever correctly flipped t3 as scum? YES

Was it an endgame where I had strong townreads on everyone else and t3 kinda flew under my radar except as a "Poe" read for most of the game? Also yes

Okay so let's do this?

this kinda thing will get a miller killed.

that's not meta, that's read accuracy which is different

I'm NOT scum hunting in this game. I am in fact TOWN hunting.

eh you say potato, i say potato

potato, tomato, same thing

[April Ludgate]

it's possible.

I just don't like I felt way earlier in the game like t3 was gonna be the fall slot.

[April Ludgate]

does literally anyone else have a better idea for a direction to go today?

plenty of better ideas, this is just a complacent compromise thought process.

Hella Jeff, imo, is far better fade, but people dont wanna go there.

[April Ludgate]

if anything, I think t3 is one of the more boring ideas.

[April Ludgate]

I also dont think Norwegian has ever seen me gambit.

You talked about it in LN 230

dunno what game that is

[April Ludgate]

I also dont think Norwegian has ever seen me gambit.

You talked about it in LN 230

dunno what game that is

game you got d1 limmed as pretentious, you mentioned it earlier I'm p sure

i was town that game

[April Ludgate]

Non zero chance this is a scumDoggo. Feel like theyve been much more centered in the gamestate than most, which might mean they are responsible for some controlling of the game state.

[April Ludgate]

I have a question, Andante, what is that doggie from?

[April Ludgate]

HELLLLLLOOOOo, welcome to

LAST NIGHT TOMORROW,

I'm your host, April Ludgate, so reciprocate, then let's go on a date, or else imma hate
you.

Dwlee99

- eh, i like the miller claim, and their "didnt anybody hear me?" mentality. still think they're town as i have from the beginning of the game.

Something_Smart

- they're popping in here and there, nothing they're saying isn't true, and i feel like i'm naturally paranoid of them this game, so i actually think them town because of it. Scumthing_Smart doesnt ping me this early, they'd have done something more to specifically see it, so im gonna say this is a townie slot.

T3

- I felt like this was going to the fall wagon, and gamestate made its way through here. It feels like scum were okay with this going through, but most were probably sitting off of this one in hopes it'd pick up by itself. Scum not making any hard pushes this game likely, so this is actually lean town. their playstyle of not being around town feels genuine to me for some reason.

Azaariah

- some of their pushes felt super bold if they're scum, not out of the question, but might lean town here.

geraintm

- a lot of focus on day 1 reads not meaning anything, honestly, this is right in line with how i feel geraint feels about day 1, and i understand that's how he thinks. however, he might just be stating a fact about his mafilosophy, which could be coming from scum.

Gamma/A50

- honestly, i dont know. Seems like a genuine confrontation, which lends it to being possible TvT, I'd rather let this feud continue a couple days because it forces both of them to make action. Flips can solve these two.

osuka

- idk

NorwegianBoyEE

- not sure, i like a lot of what they say, but nothing i see couldnt be coming from scum them. I'll keep them a bit null for now. if this is scum, it's one of those gonna have to work with them situations.

Andante

- momentum does seem to sway around them, and i feel like their energy has some direction towards where the wagon goes, a la t3, and with their last comment, i feel like Hella Jeff legit could pick up some momentum, it was like an actual comment of turn of gamestate. Now, could this be town that scum are happy to let push for them, yeah.

Hella Jeff

- they were focused on my read of them a lot earlier, and i felt early game they were establishing their position in game a lot. i also didnt like that comment i called them out on before. I will say, if they are scum, theyre playing it completely flat noodle style against me, which i can see as a possibility, in hopes i go elsewhere, trying not to get me to push them harder, but it is naturally working against me, so while I do start to feel townier vibes here and there, im stuck in that spot where i feel it could just be scum trying specifically to get me to not read them as scum.

Holiday

- i forget about them, and i generally like what they say. This is actually a red flag. This is probably gonna be my highest scum read right now, but honestly, none of my deeper scum reads are that strong. I think scum is playing it safe, as I said with that Andante a bit back.

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Will the feud between Gamma and A50 continue?!

Is Flavor gonna end up being able to explain that Holiday read more?!?!?

Will Andante bark bark for pages now that they're a deeper scum read??!!?!?!?

Find out next time on LAST NIGHT TOMORROWWWW!!!!!!!

[April Ludgate]

I felt like this was going to the fall wagon, and gamestate made its way through here. It feels like scum were okay with this going through, but most were probably sitting off of this one in hopes it'd pick up by itself. Scum not making any hard pushes this game likely, so this is actually lean town. their playstyle of not being around town feels genuine to me for some reason.

How do you distinguish between "scum waiting for other people to hop on" and "scum not hopping on cause buddy"

Also, I recognize all of my thoughts on the game are kinda focused on t3 rn

scum dont do that as often as you think. people like to hop on, and if they aren't you can see them pushing elsewhere sometimes. it is possible, though, i just dont feel like scum are actively trying to stop t3 wagon

[April Ludgate]

VOTE: Holiday

[April Ludgate]

Here's my thought process in regards to my lean scumside.

Norwegian/HellaJeff/Adandte are posting, and if they're town, it should show further as we progress. Holiday can't say the same necessarily

[April Ludgate]

oo, the fightback against Holiday makes me feel good about my read.

[April Ludgate]

i really cant see azaar being scum this game, but i might be overvaluing their boldness

[April Ludgate]

So on a scale of 1 to 10, how likely do you think it is that I'm a miller?

just so people remember

[April Ludgate]

1

T3 (5) Dwlee99, osuka, Hella Jeff, NorwegianboyEE, Gamma Emerald [E-2]
Gamma Emerald (2) Holiday, geraintm
Andante (1) Azaariah
Hella Jeff (1) Almost50

Not Voting (13) Andante, T3, April Ludgate, Something_Smart

2

T3 (3) Dwlee99, osuka, Gamma Emerald [E-3]
Gamma Emerald (2) Holiday, geraintm
Andante (2) NorwegianboyEE, T3
Hella Jeff (1) Almost50

Not Voting (4) Andante, April Ludgate, Something_Smart, Hella Jeff, Azaariah

3

Andante (4) NorwegianboyEE, T3, Azaariah, Holiday [E-3]
Azaariah (2) osuka, Gamma Emerald
T3 (1) Dwlee99
Gamma Emerald (1) geraintm
Hella Jeff (1) Almost50, April Ludgate

Not Voting (4) Andante, Something_Smart, Hella Jeff,

4

Azaariah (3) osuka, Gamma Emerald, T3 [E-4]
Hella Jeff (2) Almost50, April Ludgate
T3 (1) Dwlee99
Gamma Emerald (1) geraintm
Andante (1) Holiday

Not Voting (5) Something_Smart, Hella Jeff, NorwegianboyEE, Andante, Azaariah

5

Azaariah (4) osuka, Gamma Emerald, T3, geraintm [E-3]
Almost50 (2) NorwegianboyEE, Andante
Hella Jeff (1) April Ludgate
T3 (1) Dwlee99
Gamma Emerald (1) Almost50
NorwegianboyEE (1) Hella Jeff

Not Voting (3) Something_Smart, Azaariah, Holiday

6

Azaariah (3) osuka, T3, geraintm [E-4]
Almost50 (2) NorwegianboyEE, Gamma Emerald
Hella Jeff (1) April Ludgate
T3 (2) Dwlee99, Andante
Gamma Emerald (1) Almost50
NorwegianboyEE (1) Hella Jeff

Not Voting (3) Something_Smart, Azaariah, Holiday

[April Ludgate]

Hella Jeff and Norwegian derailed the T3 wagon.

Then the Andante wagon started up. Norwegian/T3 started, but they also backed off.

Then T3 hops onto azaar.

Interesting, there is a lot of circulation around T3.

[April Ludgate]

osuka, Hella Jeff, NorwegianboyEE

there's scum in this 3, possibly 2.

[April Ludgate]

NorwegianboyEE, T3, Azaariah, Holiday

was the Andante wagon, i think there's scum in there.

Azaariah (4) osuka, Gamma Emerald, T3, geraintm


My only issue with T3 scum is would scum really have been part of every single bandwagon?

[April Ludgate]

osuka, Hella Jeff, NorwegianboyEE

there's scum in this 3, possibly 2.

I don't see how this makes much sense, but i've never liked your reads in any game so far i think.

Makes sense, we've only had 1 town game, and I was the one who had 2 out of 3 on Day 1 in that.

[April Ludgate]

I also don't do reads, i just analyze the people and their motivations. If my town reads start to not add up, and I see theyve been actively trying to get me to townread them, that doesnt make them town. I take the game as a whole.

[April Ludgate]

SS's trajectory was setting up to vote T3 as it was, I don't think it's random.

[April Ludgate]

VOTE: T3

[April Ludgate]

i think e-3.

I'm not 100% sold on t3 scum, but at this point, it's a good slot to fade. I'm ready for day 2

[April Ludgate]

UNVOTE: T3

E-1?? bruhhhh

why are you a scaredy cat, you're a dogge

[April Ludgate]

i think e-3.

I'm not 100% sold on t3 scum, but at this point, it's a good slot to fade. I'm ready for day 2

And you think azaariah is town?

I wouldn't put $100 down on it, but I might put $10.

[April Ludgate]

it's a good slot to fade. I'm ready for day 2

I don't disagree with you here!!! However, I'd like to at least give him a chance, like, I'm busy with classes today, he said he had exams, so I wanna hear him out, probably won't hear anything I like, however, I know regardless of alignment how frustrating it is when you're genuinely busy, and show back up with e-1 or e-2, there's no point in trying. so, yes, I just wanna flip him, but that doesn't have to be done right now this second.

frankly, if you ask SS, they've gotten multiple chances at this point.

[April Ludgate]

i think e-3.

I'm not 100% sold on t3 scum, but at this point, it's a good slot to fade. I'm ready for day 2

And you think azaariah is town?

my reasoning is that theyve been super bold, and pushed things like Andante when Andante was hard pushing elsewhere. Could it come from scum? Yeah, but I do think it's far less likely, and a far riskier play, that I don't know if they actually were scum, they'd make based on what I've seen of them this game.

They are a very possible wagon for the day, and scumthem would know that. I dont think they actively put themselves in that position as scum here because I genuinely understand why people want to push them, and that's why I think they're more town than scum.

[April Ludgate]

it's a good slot to fade. I'm ready for day 2

I don't disagree with you here!!! However, I'd like to at least give him a chance, like, I'm busy with classes today, he said he had exams, so I wanna hear him out, probably won't hear anything I like, however, I know regardless of alignment how frustrating it is when you're genuinely busy, and show back up with e-1 or e-2, there's no point in trying. so, yes, I just wanna flip him, but that doesn't have to be done right now this second.

frankly, if you ask SS, they've gotten multiple chances at this point.

You and Something_Smart both suddenly voting T3 also makes me nervous. I literally made a case back on why I didn't tr T3, and it got ignored, now it's just "T3 is the easiest slot to push!!!" ahhhh yall making me nervous. Scum is probably laughing at me somewhere "Andante was 3/3, and is on track for 0/3"

i like it when people get a little uncomfortable; people start to do things they normally wouldn't.

[April Ludgate]

i think pretty strongly that the 4 of us on this page are town.

Andante would probably be my weakest of those, but nonetheless, I'm okay seeing them as town for now until flips tell me otherwise.

The main question is, are we all town voting town, which is possible, and I think the next events to unfold could be very telling.


We have a 53 page Day 1 because people take votes off when people get closer to fade.

[April Ludgate]

April are you scum with azaariah cause that's a bad reason to townread someone imo

do you think I would have bad reasons to town read someone, especially partners, if i was scum?

[April Ludgate]

and if azaar ends up being town, it's a fantastic reason to town read them.

[April Ludgate]

People are always so quick to judge other people's reads, but especially Day 1, I don't believe anyone should think their reads are better than others. It is scum's job to manipulate the townies, and a lot of this happens indirectly.

[April Ludgate]

the amount of times people say to me my reads are bad/hate my reads is baffling, but then people always get upset when I throw a little bit of shade, even though most of my shade comes in a dry, sassy color.

[April Ludgate]

Yes I've seen it

I mean, this is what you said:

I dont think they actively put themselves in that position as scum here because I genuinely understand why people want to push them, and that's why I think they're more town than scum.

Part of your reason for townreading them is you understand why people find them scummy

I do understand why people are scum reading them. That doesn't make them scum, it makes it understandable that townies would be pushing there. i believe most pushing Azaar are town.There might be one or two soft pushes, but the fact that I individually town read Azar for what I believe are strong reasons, yet I understand why some people see them as scum, makes sense that that is a possible fall slot for scum to hope town pushes, which means the soft pushing of Azar, and the momentum turners are the ones I'm looking for.

[April Ludgate]

Is that E-1

WTF

you aren't E-1, never were.

[April Ludgate]

Something deep down in my gut believes Hella Jeff to be town.

[April Ludgate]

I'm gonna go on a surface level/tone/gut reads for myself for the rest of Day 1

Dwlee
Andante
SS
Azaariah
Hella Jeff

This is my Day 1 TownBlock.


Almost50/Gamma Emerald - Don't believe they are both scum, it's possible neither. unfortunately, they are so tied together in my head, they have canceled each other out for me.

geraintm
Holiday
osuka
T3
NorwegianBoyEE

at least 2 scum in that bottom 5.

[April Ludgate]

just where I'm currently at on a surface level.

I've had that small gut read on Jeff the entire game, despite my brain not thinking so at all, but im gonna start looking at the game from that perspective.

[April Ludgate]

Do you scum read any of my town block, SS? I'm likely just gonna slingshot you this day phase.

[April Ludgate]

What is the meaning of slingshot here?

pretty much empowering another player with support

[April Ludgate]

I think April’s townreads (just them) are fine and i don’t agree with me being scum obviously.
And i don’t think they are all good enough for a townblock.

you arent really a scum read, just not in the day 1 town block.

and i think theyre plenty fine to be in a day 1 townblock, doesn't mean theyll last after information

[April Ludgate]

I think April’s townreads (just them) are fine and i don’t agree with me being scum obviously.
And i don’t think they are all good enough for a townblock.

you arent really a scum read, just not in the day 1 town block.

and i think theyre plenty fine to be in a day 1 townblock, doesn't mean theyll last after information

i like to deal with pools over reads

[April Ludgate]

april scares me and im not sure why. i feel like they are a player that could easily pocket me and that's unsettling to me. im not willing to give a townread though i really want to.

oh just do it

[April Ludgate]

I'm kind of a terrible player to slingshot on D1 though.

I'll take townreads of course, but I don't feel that he truly townreads me (at least in my understanding of the word).

you'd be surprised

[April Ludgate]

Okay, so then do you actually like April's scumread on me?

From what I understand of it, it's literally that they like what I post and I'm a bit more background-y, so I'm top scum. And people dislike that read/pressure around me, so it's a good sign (even though... I think most people townread or lean me to some degree? Not everyone, but more than not do.)

Maybe I'm more exasperated at her for throwing out something that I physically just throw my hands up at because it doesn't compute. To me it's either honestly, an ego-driven read to catch a "deepwolf" that doesn't exist or scum (which... I did say I had bad feelings about April before they doubled down on me being their top scumread). Both are very shitty situations.

you just in a pool now, not necessarily a scum read.

[April Ludgate]

yeah, i think aza's bleeding townie

[April Ludgate]

@Enchant - If you wanna check some of my reads out, you’re slot was in my townblock, so I would like to continue this pocket.

[April Ludgate]

VOTE: Holiday

[April Ludgate]

I have already given my reasonings earlier.

[April Ludgate]

2 of the people who sheeped me are in my town block, and then the other is A50, which could go either way with that vote. Can see it being townie trying to follow me, or scum trying to push where im pushing, but I do feel like Holiday has a high chance of being scum, they're in my pool, and I don't feel like pushing Norwegian or Osuka.

[April Ludgate]

Let's just kill the Vanilla claim and go to Day 2 without anyone else claiming.

[April Ludgate]

Let's just kill the Vanilla claim and go to Day 2 without anyone else claiming.

this is always the best path of action, even if Holiday ends up being town.

[April Ludgate]

For what it's worth, I don't 100% believe T3's claim, but I'm willing to let it go a day when we have more information

[April Ludgate]

Let's just kill the Vanilla claim and go to Day 2 without anyone else claiming.

+100

Well that sounds reasonable.

>Two of my most paranoid slots suggesting that.

...Fuck

This is just common mafia philosophy more than anything.

[April Ludgate]

Chances are this is mafia panicking.

Yeah, I don't see why the thread got more energetic after the Holiday push, I feel Holiday was very much an obvious choice to be wagon'd if we weren't going T3.

[April Ludgate]

WAIT! My scum buddies are telling me we should run up a couple more players first to see if we can out an investigative. Should I give in and unvote?

Yeah, like actually. It's Day 1 too, hitting a Vanilla townie as a worst case scenario in Holiday is a good spot to be in.

There's been multiple claims now, we need to just call it on Day 1, and move on. Plant the feet, end the day, analyze it tomorrow.

[April Ludgate]

I caught TChill as scum doing this exact thing like 4-5 years ago, where I wanted to plant it on a VT claim. In this situation, going for the Vanilla is always optimal here.

[April Ludgate]

Chances are this is mafia panicking.

Yeah, I don't see why the thread got more energetic after the Holiday push, I feel Holiday was very much an obvious choice to be wagon'd if we weren't going T3.

Doesn't games always get a bit more active when a deadline hangs over people's heads? I don't see how mafia has anything in particular to do with it.

Sometimes, i don't see "panicking" as the same as more active, though.

For instance, look at Something_Smart, Andante, and T3 posts after the Holiday wagon started. They were forced to take more action, and if Holiday is scum, I would bet one of them are scum with them.

[April Ludgate]

@April: I like that you have my nickname in your sig. "Time Is Monkey, Monkey Is Power.."

all facts. Might be starting to lean town on you even if Holiday is town. Odd scum choice to push Holiday here the way you have.

I'm actually thinking the flash wagon 4 votes has a solid chance of being all town even if Holiday is town.

[April Ludgate]

Kill April tomorrow and don’t let them get away with what they’re doing now justifying this, thanks!

Having a wrong read if you're town, isn't bad. You just unfortunately did too little too late, and the Vanilla claim was the stake through the vampire's heart.

At least you're ensuring I don't get night killed Night 1.

[April Ludgate]

@April: I like that you have my nickname in your sig. "Time Is Monkey, Monkey Is Power.."

all facts. Might be starting to lean town on you even if Holiday is town. Odd scum choice to push Holiday here the way you have.

I'm actually thinking the flash wagon 4 votes has a solid chance of being all town even if Holiday is town.

Kill this slot tomorrow for wagoning me without reasons and then trying to justify it.

Eh, here's the thing.

I do this more as town than as scum, and you just don't really understand the reasons, it seems.

[April Ludgate]

@April: I like that you have my nickname in your sig. "Time Is Monkey, Monkey Is Power.."

all facts. Might be starting to lean town on you even if Holiday is town. Odd scum choice to push Holiday here the way you have.

I'm actually thinking the flash wagon 4 votes has a solid chance of being all town even if Holiday is town.

I feel like ur setting up to push town!me if this flips town, like you have done in anime theme.

Sure, I was hard in my town meta in that game.

I do think you're vote on the wagon was scummy, that doesn't make you scum. I can see you doing it as town as well. It's just a thing that happened.

Do you not agree that your timing could be seen as possibly scum? Doesn't mean you are scum, but I think it's worth going over, and frankly, there might be people who I find scummier than you going into Day 2, but Day 2's a brand new day.

[April Ludgate]

Eh, joke will be on Holiday when they see I'm town, haha.

[April Ludgate]

I am starting to think that Holiday is Vanilla town, but i still say go for it, tbh.

[April Ludgate]

how you tried to justify it.

On a scale of 1 to 10, how much do you think I care on this regard? I don't need to justify it if I can get the momentum to feel it. Frankly, you can speak and try to change it, but I'm not super interested in giving a bunch of reasons for you to try and defend against, i'd rather just watch things unfold, and force people to take some type of action.

[April Ludgate]

Do you not agree that your timing could be seen as possibly scum?

No, i think the timing has to do with that i was playing video games and only logged on when 4 votes had already been placed.

Sure, if you are town, you are thinking from only your POV.

[April Ludgate]

And at the end of the day, that is NAI as well. I was talking moreso of the buildup towards it, if that makes sense, based on nothing else of your gameplay this game besides that small period of time. With all the additional things in your game, it could very well come across as town, but I'm simply noting the timing fact, not necessarily saying you're scum for it or anything. It's just worth noting.

[April Ludgate]

I personally think it'd be bad scum play if A50 pushed Holiday like they did after me because it automatically pairs us together, which I don't believe he wants right now.

So unless A50 and I were scum together, the play doesn't make sense.

We've been scum like 3-4 times together as well, we're not unaware of how to play as scum together.

There's a non zero chance I guess that he indirectly pockets me with that, and I'm now semi defending A50, so if that was a pocket attempt, it worked for A50.

[April Ludgate]

Didn't we agree not to have more claims.

Yeah, I think that was just you, me and A50 that understand why pushing Holiday is overall just the correct play here so we don't have anymore claims, and damage control worst case scenario we lose a Vanilla.

Sucks to hear, but losing a townie Day 1 isn't that big of a deal, and scum likely don't want a VT flipped unless they were in major danger, which I don't believe they were. T3, if scum, had an out with his claim that I don't fully believe, the 3-shot is a little odd (literally), but yeah.

[April Ludgate]

Are we just gonna make a mass claim or something. Holy shit.

Down to mass claim tomorrow if y'all want.

need 2 more votes on Holiday, I think we'll end up getting them, T3/Holiday just going extra rn.

[April Ludgate]

Scum telling town to vote another town player while acknowledging they feel townie, in case anyone cares.

I don't think you understand. IF THE MOD CONFIRMED YOU ARE VANILLA TOWN HERE I'D STILL RATHER VOTE YOU OVER RISKING RUNNING UP A TPR AT THIS POINT. Now THAT is what April has been saying (maybe not the "confirmed" part, but in essence that's the idea)

wouldn't be the first time I try to fade Confirmed Town and genuinely believe it to be the best play.

[April Ludgate]

Wahhh kill town protect our claims wahhh we can’t push elsewhere anymore.

Keep killing town and then wonder why you lose.

ya know town win more games where town is misfaded day 1, right. scum get to hide easier if they have someone die Day 1. Not like it should be aimed for, but you don't seem to see big picture, which is fine, you're upset, youre getting executed.

[April Ludgate]

Someone cop check Norwegian, so I don't have to

[April Ludgate]

If they're scum, cool, we got a scum. If they're town, eh, at least they're vanilla, and cool, we got tons to analyze, and we're in Day 2.

[April Ludgate]

i hate this post with a passion, because everything in it i feel like can be answered with "lets not kill anyone day 1" as a better answer

I most certainly am against not killing anyone. I definitely want blood.

[April Ludgate]

i hate this post with a passion, because everything in it i feel like can be answered with "lets not kill anyone day 1" as a better answer

I most certainly am against not killing anyone. I definitely want blood.

I apologize if I gave any implication that I do not want to stick my pointy fangs into the neck of someone, and drain them dry

[April Ludgate]

part of me really wants to mod a micro because I have a story I want to tell, because modding can be a good structure for my writing.

A Little Boonie Told Me I'm actually continuing a little further, and then going to make a cute little book for it, and then make some NFT's.

This was the flavor of a game I modded a long time ago now

Spoiler:

[April Ludgate]

part of me really wants to mod a micro because I have a story I want to tell, because modding can be a good structure for my writing.

A Little Boonie Told Me I'm actually continuing a little further, and then going to make a cute little book for it, and then make some NFT's.

This was the flavor of a game I modded a long time ago now

Spoiler:

Little Boonie isn't the flavor of the new micro, don't entirely have it put together, but even if im gone again for a while, ill eventually come back to write that new story.

[April Ludgate]

cause I can just come back at you and go "you should vote A50"

You should vote Holiday because we have had multiple claims this day phase, and Holiday was the final claim, and a Vanilla claim, meaning it's a low risk misfade based on scum wanting PR's faded, not Vanilla. Yes, it is a win for scum to get through a day phase, but they do not need to get through 1 day phase, they need to be able to survive until the end.

Ending the day phase before any further PR claims can happen is optimal.

Why is Holiday scummy? They were semi active during portions of the game, but they were also being the type of player that wasn't really saying anything unpopular or unfavorable, and when people tried to think of any actual things Holiday had said, nobody was able to remember, which naturally means they were off of people's radars. I also have reason to town read almost every other person for some reason or another, and Holiday only has a couple things that were like "yeah, i liked that post" so on top of the needing to stop further claims this day phase, and move on, Holiday is the optimal flip, especially with the actions that have been taken afterwards. Holiday is a plant in the ground, and we need to stake it down, and use this as a moment to push the game forward, but to do so, the slot needs to flip. Then we can progress forward rather than in a circle.

[April Ludgate]

Scum have to push me here because I become essentially conf town after Holiday flips.

[April Ludgate]

It's pretty clearly Holiday and Gamma slot.

[April Ludgate]

@Hella Jeff - idc bout your read on me, but how do you see Dwlee and not town read them? The miller claim is not coming from scumDwlee.

[April Ludgate]

Hella Jeff and Andante are the manipulated ones being banked on.

[April Ludgate]

Scum have to push me here because I become essentially conf town after Holiday flips.

Are you the best slot to push as an alternative to Holiday?

Sure, i dont mind being pushed. i wouldn't say im the best slot, but it makes sense because im the one pushing Holiday, so scum have to take action to fight back.

[April Ludgate]

At the end of the day, they're pushing me because I'm pushing Holiday, and i think that's obvious, I am pushing Holiday because I think they are scum.

Regardless of your paranoia, Norwegian, you can feel it deep down that I'm town, I can sense the struggle of not wanting to let me get away as scum, but you definitely sense that I'm town. Which is good for me to pickup, because it's inherently townie of you.

[April Ludgate]

Holiday, Gamma slot, Hella Jeff is a solve, but Idk, I think Hella Jeff's town in my gut, but if I didn't, I'd have them there.

[April Ludgate]

But from my POV it seems like there would be ample other room to try anyone else if the goal was to simply redirect from Holiday?

Why? They have to weaken me because Im dead set on killing Holiday. If they try to push elsewhere, it weakens them because I'm pushing them, and they have to split the difference between relieving pressure off them and onto someone else.

By creating a 1v1, it forces people to take sides, and it's more likely people think I'm scum manipulating the game, but frankly, you have to absolutely believe me to be hardcore Open Wolfing if I were scum, which fine, I'm bold enough to Open Wolf in certain playerlists, but those are generally ones that are favorable towards me.

Not only do I have multiple people this game that could call me out, the people who don't know me as well are the types of players to not understand and push me in that regard.

[April Ludgate]

Or is limbait not existing in this game.

t3 was the limbait.

[April Ludgate]

@Hella Jeff - idc bout your read on me, but how do you see Dwlee and not town read them? The miller claim is not coming from scumDwlee.

it is really one of those things that i should take at face value?
genuine question

until it has legitimate reasons to not take it at face value, then yeah, i dont see why not. takes a big load off your shoulders for something that's just more likely to be true than not. I would even bet they're town faking it before them being scum faking it.

[April Ludgate]

Muah muah

[April Ludgate]

He'd be in here telling us how murdering Town!Holiday is actually just the first move of a genius 200 step 6d chess strategy where he hunts down all the baddies and solves climate change.

I’m working on my climate crisis solve as we speak

[April Ludgate]

I don't think April is uninformed or gives a shit what Holiday actually flips as.

Confidence is manufactured and sounds hollow and fake.

None of this is AI for him

No town him would have a lot more fake confidence because he actually thinks he's the best scum hunter on the site.

Fake confidence and actually thinks don’t go together too well.

[April Ludgate]

Odd if people think that I’m fake, i feel I’m pretty real, even at the expense of upsetting some people

I’m just a small artist boy who smokes weed, and has a hoot and a half playing mafia

[April Ludgate]

Well, I’m sure some people have noticed by now, but I am claiming a protective role, nothing else I’ll claim, and I’ll die with that in tact for this day.

So scum got what they wanted with another claim.

Proves my point with my mafilosophy. Win-win for me.

[April Ludgate]

You can go back and look at me claiming not to necessarily believe in t3’s claim a couple times.

[April Ludgate]

Also how scum is T3. Holy shit.

I had planned to claim Day 2, when I told Norwegian I was okay with mass claim tomorrow, and then go after t3. I thought it was good to let the day end ASAP, and i still stand by it, but what do i know, I’ve only just played more mafia than anyone on this site over the past 8 years. :shrug:

[April Ludgate]

Well, I’m sure some people have noticed by now, but I am claiming a protective role, nothing else I’ll claim, and I’ll die with that in tact for this day.

So scum got what they wanted with another claim.

Proves my point with my mafilosophy. Win-win for me.

Um ok, sounds like BS but let's check then.

Here’s the thing, Norwegian.

I never sound like this as actual scum in a game with this playerlist.

Can dislike it as much as you want, you should know this to be true.

There’s a reason I get pushed as town a lot, and as scum I don’t.

[April Ludgate]

VOTE: Holiday

You just did this when T3 claimed it.

Yep.

I want to challenge t3 tomorrow, but honestly,

You guys really just get way too upset after getting pushed.

People need to be able handle wagons.

[April Ludgate]

You can fade me here, but like,

If you don’t see it as a gamestate manipulation by scum to get to this point, then idk how to help you.

However, as you have seen before Norwegian, scum do not win when townMe is faded day 1.

They just have to put way too much out there.

Anytime I am faded Day 1, and you can go fact check this, i am town who has the majority of their reads on point.

You might be able to find a game or two from like 2017 where i was faded day 1 as scum, but idk, there aren’t many

[April Ludgate]

I haven’t actually caught up, and only read the past couple pages, but from what I’m picking up, i got wagon’d?

[April Ludgate]

Also, why would you go after them tommorow instead of today?

Because they can be town still.

[April Ludgate]

I seriously kinda hate the idea that you always have to do the “technically correct” play.

That’s just lower level mafia, imo.

Is it good to know that stuff? Yes. But people treat it like it’s law.

[April Ludgate]

Also, why would you go after them tommorow instead of today?

Because they can be town still.

Do you believe their protective claim?

Like 15%, but I’m not impatient enough to think I need to deal with it now on Day 1.

[April Ludgate]

It's pretty clearly Holiday and Gamma slot.

Holiday, Gamma slot, Hella Jeff is a solve, but Idk, I think Hella Jeff's town in my gut, but if I didn't, I'd have them there.

Or is limbait not existing in this game.

t3 was the limbait.

This doesn't seem like the sort of mindset from someone that is thinking they will: "go after t3 tommorow"

Eh, just end the day and vote me.

I guarantee you I’m town.

I’d have much better defenses from before this point as scum, as town, i just say whatever the hell comes to my mind, which lends to more contradictions.

Like here’s the thing, Norwegian, you thinking on a logic based technical mentality, yes, there’s a solid scum case on me, but if you actually play mafia, and read my social agenda, and on tone, i can feel that you know i am town. I sense you wanting to believe it.

I ask you, just believe it. You will not get burned.

[April Ludgate]

Stating it right here, i have a new town block, and this is officially my strongest of the game so far.

Dwlee
Norwegian
Almost50

If I die today, if you have any stock in the history of my dying Day 1 as town having fire reads, even if it isn’t 100% correct, because that’s not how mafia works, trust this town block.

[April Ludgate]

Honestly, Hella Jeff has the hammer, i saw, if that’s correct, and at the expense of looking like I’m pandering, i don’t think scum sits on this wagon, especially when I’ve been gone long enough to get prodded.

[April Ludgate]

I'm already voting you, Jeff is the only one that isn't voting i think.

Do you still believe Holiday is scum?

70/30, which is pretty decent odds on Day 1.

I’m willing to kill someone if i think it’s 50.

Oh, damn. Then you can Unvote me

[April Ludgate]

You’ve been in this exact situation with me before, Norwegian, the one I thought you were scum in it with me

[April Ludgate]

Norwegian, like, come on.

Roll the dice with me. Let me slingshot you this game. If you are scum, i will hop in your pocket.

You want me to be scum here, you know I’m not

[April Ludgate]

What scum do that

[April Ludgate]

Norwegian, town block up with me! Think of how dangerous that is for scum, and like, if you’re Vanilla, you can’t die.

Here, I’ll full claim because I want you to trust me.

I am a Simple Doctor. I will protect Norwegian. Norwegian, don’t claim if you are PR or Vanilla, we get a WIFOM game here.

This makes it so Norwegian isn’t going to die at night, and if scum want to break you and me up, they have to kill me.

This also allows you to keep watch over me by being alive if i was scum pulling a fast one

[April Ludgate]

You’ve been in this exact situation with me before, Norwegian, the one I thought you were scum in it with me

The problem though, is that it felt like you treated me very differently in that previous game. Like here you seem to be busy in trying to convince me, while in the other game you just called me scum.
And i feel like it's a bit suspicious for you to be more focused on convincing me in this game.

But i'm gonna check out the previous game to see if it makes the situation any clearer for me.

I town read you, why is that weird? I’m trying my hardest to get a strong town read of mine to see that I am town, so we can get scum.

Our dynamic specifically allowed me to read you pretty well.

[April Ludgate]

We have a more evolved history than we did back then too

[April Ludgate]

I would just claim Doc.

I wanted to put simply instead of just when I posted this, but i was weary of Something Smart who would be able to pick up the Simple and immediately tie it to me, and that was too dangerous if SS was scum.

[April Ludgate]

DELICIOUS.

Jeff what do you think right now?

Jeff loves me since I haven’t had them as scum for a while.

[April Ludgate]

I’ll let him speak, though, sorry. Jeff can tell me he loves me

[April Ludgate]

you've reviewed games before, right? what makes those two protective roles unable to coexist? they look like they serve different enough functions

that's why i didnt challenge him. i actively wanted t3 to go a little further in the game. there would be more action taken to read, and i could challenge him later if he thinks it was scum.

i think we're both limited protectives, so it's possible they coexist, and i didnt want to directly counterclaim, because i dont believe more claims were necessary, still stand by that.

[April Ludgate]

It's Holiday/Gamma slot + 1

[April Ludgate]

Personally, I don't think it's Geraint.

[April Ludgate]

I got an Azumarill in my brilliant diamond playthrough

I want to get belly drum + aqua jet (with huge power) but I'm not sure if it can learn both those moves naturally.

I'm running Gastrodon as my water poke.

[April Ludgate]

no one had any reaction to april pretending to not want claims yet also asking for a massclaim tomorrow just before that?

Massclaim tomorrow is legit giving an option for when claims are fine in opposition to me saying no more claims?

This could be scum instead of Gamma slot.

[April Ludgate]

@T3 - body guard me, I doc Norwegian.

Norwegian, you and I can town block hard here, please trust that gut feeling you have. I can sense you wanting to town read me, you are correct. Flavor Fever is real, I understand your paranoia, but this isn't scum me.

In Anime Upick, I was actively fighting with my scum partner, and had DEB as my other partner, and I was still able to have a brick wall of defense. That is one of my strengths as scum.

I know you do not feel that brick wall here, trust that.

[April Ludgate]

I'm running Gastrodon as my water poke.

I've got two because I was doing Simple Swords Dance Bibarel and then I couldn't resist Huge Power shenanigans. My friend tells me both belly drum and aqua jet are egg moves though :X

(Sorry for this fluff btw, I feel like a little socializing is fine as long as it doesn't take over the thread.)

trick is hiding it within some actual posts.

I thought you were voting me before I just checked your ISO a minute ago, which made me feel you were a little scummy, but then saw you weren't, and strengthened my town read again. I'm not like 100% sure considering I know you'd be able to get around, but I feel I always have that gut scum read on you when you are scum, and it's missing.


I got my Meditite up to level 37 for that Medicham. felt like it took me forever.

[April Ludgate]

I think it would take quite a lot to get me to vote you on D1.

Certainly after you've claimed a PR, bullshit sensors going off though they may be, I wouldn't ever be touching you.

if you were scum, i feel like more precautions would have been going off to at least possibly have others going after me.

At the end of the day, I feel just by looking at the reasons for each wagon, it's obvious the wagon on me is emotions based because people didn't like me pushing Holiday.

It benefits scum to go me if Holiday is town as well, because Holiday claimed VT.

[April Ludgate]

April/A50/Dwlee

How anyone can see this as Holiday's option and think they aren't looking at the game from an emotional standpoint beats me.

[April Ludgate]

April/A50/Dwlee

If I get voted before I can be here more don’t forget to kill in these people tomorrow.

oh, i didn't read this fully, I guess. thought you were saying that was the team. My bad.

[April Ludgate]

However, as you have seen before Norwegian, scum do not win when townMe is faded day 1.

so we should fade you today.

If you're town, scum will lose.

if you're scum, it's good for us to get closer to winning.

well, when im the first scum dead, scum wins too. it was kinda a funny thing that kept happening the past few times i died first as scum.

[April Ludgate]

Wow i was kicked from townblock
wowowowowo
woow

you can still hangout with us. I just had to raise a section because I became more certain with Norwegian. If anything there's a chance you and A50 could flip, but i get paranoid of a50 here and there, but he's been defending me, and i really dont know if he would do that as scum. I've caught him out when he was scum, and i was town reading him, and flipped on him, so i just cant see him trying that route as scum.

You're the same level of town read you were before, if that makes sense.

[April Ludgate]

@Norwegian - if the issue is, you think both Holiday and myself are town, I can see that situation being rough. Unfortunate situation if Holiday is town here, it is understandable they'd be upset.

It's not my fault I scum read them, though, and I feel I got attacked for having a read and voted, then everyone sheeped me.

I'm in the rough situation of yeah, i like that people sheeped me, but i wasnt 100% certain nor should I have been on Day 1.

I've just tried to ignore Holiday's AtE for my own sake since I'm the one pushing there, so I might not be seeing it all completely.

[April Ludgate]

I think it would take quite a lot to get me to vote you on D1.

Certainly after you've claimed a PR, bullshit sensors going off though they may be, I wouldn't ever be touching you.

if you were scum, i feel like more precautions would have been going off to at least possibly have others going after me.

At the end of the day, I feel just by looking at the reasons for each wagon, it's obvious the wagon on me is emotions based because people didn't like me pushing Holiday.

It benefits scum to go me if Holiday is town as well, because Holiday claimed VT.

He is already preparing to push the people on his wagon post a Holiday-TownFlip

If you're implying I'm already thinking of continuing to play the game and adapt if I am wrong, then sure. I am considering the possibility I am wrong on Holiday, as I have stated, i am not 100% scum reading them, and see a chance they could be town.

[April Ludgate]

OH WHAT HORRIBLE SITUATION.

It's not like we had 15 hours to change vote!

Personally, I'd still have wanted Holiday.

It's okay to push something and not be 100%, especially on Day 1.

[April Ludgate]

give me the chance, Norweg.

[April Ludgate]

Dwlee99
NorwegianBoyEE
Something_Smart

Almost50
Enchant
Hella Jeff

T3

geraintm
osuka

Holiday
Andante
Tracer.Bullet


no order between tiers, i also dont think that the bottom 3 is the exact team, but there's scum in the pool.

[April Ludgate]

I mean, you could try and push other slots too, but you decided to only OMGUS, and your entire case is "april pushed me!!!! they scum!" not actually, but like...come on. =/

If you think I'm scum, fine. There's still more scum you could look for, but you aren't doing anything else in this game.

[April Ludgate]

And you can blame me if you're town, if you need it, fine, but hopefully it teaches you to be a bit more self aware of what you yourself could have done differently.