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read exactly 0 of the game overnight

am town, assuming probable loss, playing more for personal glory of trying to get it right than anything else

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Ok, just cause I placed my vote somewhere, that wasn't an invitation to speed lim Osuka. Thw only reason I'm not going to auto vote Bloodhail (A50) is cause if it's wrong, we lose, but I wanna hammer A50 for hammering that,and A50 conveniently left to not have to explain that, but I want A50 here

do you realize he got fucking banned

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he literally did that impatient hammer as town in the last game i was in with him

worked out better that time as it was on scum but still

not a scumtell for him

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reading geraintm iso

quick thing that jumps out, likely not s/s with aza/enchant

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enchant claimed and outed T3, right? going to say probably town there if we lose to that as a gambit then w/e

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wish not_mafia had been in the game to tell me how to read geraintm

most of the iso is w/e but start of 1727 on t3 pings a little

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i think norwee/andante are not s/s? this one is very much a speedskim because norwee is is xbox huge but early interactions suggest that


norwee's read/interactions on t3 are kind of bad? dont know why hes been given a pass maybe the game was too big for anyone to reread

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like blood, unless you can convince me on norwee/gerain, I'm voting you cause you're where I'm most confident lol

depressingly i think you might be town but realistically it would be hard for me to put forth a convincing case replacing in at this point in time

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Would fucking believe I didn't even see that Norwee alt slipped already?? THAT is how attentive I am to this game's proceedings so far.

this strongly reminds me of 2246 a50

ftr t3 doing this sort of meta read is practically clearing because dude has a terrible habit of tmi reads

do i expect this to convince you? nah

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strongest point against t3/gera is t3 voting gera after he was claimed but there was no case + no one followed him, and he had another post that can easily be distancing

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what effort am i giving? i am giving literally no effort lmao

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somewhat paranoid because the game i played with t3 he was stupid bus happy but andante at least looks to have actually seriously made a push on t3 day 1 which is...decent

i will give a proper readthrough of andante and norwee's isos tomorrow

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what effort am i giving? i am giving literally no effort lmao

you're reading thegame more than it feels like anyone else here does

jesus christ is it that bad

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Question, Free spirit and Norwee are the same person, Would T3 scum talk a LOT with his partner at the beginning of the game?

i don't really see why not and nothing they did is clearing

i'm looking at isos though so don't have context

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the quick turnaround on your stance about me concerns me

but not going to worry about it tonight

like i said doing a proper read tomorrow

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af is the ones not talking, cause they wanted to see me tunnel blood, vote blood, as they hid in the shadows and jumped in to blitz

i mean uh

right now it is early morning in wales/norway/russia of course they're not going to be posting

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i appreciate not being deathtunneled

cya

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In fact i think that's the two most likely teams here.
Either Andante/Enchant or Bloodhail/Enchant.
I'm gonna read back on ISO's to see what makes the most sense.

wouldn't that make enchant the best possible vote fypov

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interesting interactions

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ok, but here's the problem with that. Me and you are the only ones really trying. So I either have to believe scum is coasting, or 1 coasting and you. now, after how we've been doing, it's not unreasonable to assume scum is in those doing nothing, and letting us burn the village down, I don't really trust you at the moment, especially when you seem so deadset on Enchant, like, if enchant is real, they die tonight, but based on how you talk you seem like you'd hammer enchant here given the chance. "It's andante/enchant or a50/enchant" like, are those the only possible teams you see here?

this kinda feels like you're trying to keep your options open

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andante feels performative right now

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fwiw norwees entrance to the day is strong tonally

i know it seems absurd to be making tone reads on elo but without having read the game fully its what i have

(i also don't actually want him to vote enchant, just questioning his thinking)

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oh lmao

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i was likely going to vote you anyway but that saves my conscience if it's wrong

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ok, but here's the problem with that. Me and you are the only ones really trying. So I either have to believe scum is coasting, or 1 coasting and you. now, after how we've been doing, it's not unreasonable to assume scum is in those doing nothing, and letting us burn the village down, I don't really trust you at the moment, especially when you seem so deadset on Enchant, like, if enchant is real, they die tonight, but based on how you talk you seem like you'd hammer enchant here given the chance. "It's andante/enchant or a50/enchant" like, are those the only possible teams you see here?

this kinda feels like you're trying to keep your options open

andante feels performative right now

Well I wanted to give you a chance last night, like, your slot has absolutely nothing going for it, just going "andante is performing" isn't even you trying to find scum

that is actually scumhunting

i am reading your posts and making an evaluation on whether you sound real or fake

last night you were willing to give me time to actually read the game and now you vote me? no way that's genuine

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I'm so tempted to just vote now... yall have no idea comments like "you're just performing" when I'm actually over here trying, last night I tried to be nice and like, yeah this happened, you know? a nice welcoming environment, to get more from you than if I was just tunneling you

It's only really Blood that said that. So... like, if Blood is scum then he's just doing what scum should be doing right now.

I know, just like, last night blood was different!!!

how, exactly, other than thinking you might be town? i made one driveby comment that your posts while i was asleep sounded performative and you instant vote me without even giving me a chance to evaluate. just seems like my comments made you nervous

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VOTE: andante

will wait for confirmation of no quickhammer before i start casing

kind of expect to not get trusted given circumstances but meh

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yeah, I was willing to give you time until you were all "that's performative" like, this is me lol idk what to tell you call me fact all you want, that won't change my role pm

and that's enough for you to throw down a vote? a single toneread comment?

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yeah, I was willing to give you time until you were all "that's performative" like, this is me lol idk what to tell you call me fact all you want, that won't change my role pm

and that's enough for you to throw down a vote? a single toneread comment?

yeah?

lol gtfo no way you're that bad as town


anyway i'll wait for everyone to post now, cya

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i would unironically find 3646 sus in a vacuumbut w/e

close enough that i rule out enchant/norwee so just waiting on gera to post

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read back a little just to see what andante was saying the day before

don’t you go accusing me of being maf...

cause here’s where I doubt Dwlee, picture this, Dwlee scum. just claimed miller. gets checked by a rolecop, so he instantly claims his true role. doc. that has felt fishy to me all game

someone is very omgus-y, huh

like her entire worldview seems to turn on a dime based on whether or not someone is suspecting her or not

can see her starting to set up a pivot to this slot before the hammer so its at least consistent, cant claim an easy opportunism gotcha there. but she was trying to kiss my ass when i had said i thought she might be town only to lose her shit and vote me when i came back to the game thinking differently. the thing about that is in this situation scum just need 1 person to take their side, town need to figure out who is mafia and who is not. andante wasnt ever really trying to figure out my alignment she was just kissing my ass when she thought it might be helpful

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no you were not actually trying to solve me lmao you just said i was putting in "effort" when i had only skim read the game because my stance on you was convenient

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not going to lie pretty decent relief being able to rule out norwee/gera

i will get to trying to find stuff and do the best i can but i think it's somewhat obvious i was picked on here because as a fresh replace in i'm the easiest target to pick on - i have no context for the rest of the game, can't defend the actions of my predecessor, it's an uphill position to argue from which makes me the ideal misfade target to win the game. this is particularly true if i have the threat of bringing a fresh perspective to the game - my reads aren't locked in from being stuck in the game for a month, i'm figuring things out as i go, i'm not in anyone's pocket, and i'm not burned out, so discrediting me is ideal. but at first andante was TRYING to see if she could suck up to me to get on my good side - scum only need 1 misvote to win the game, and if she can get the clueless guy who just replaced into the game on her side, all the better

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blood, I like the effort you are giving right now.

@Norwee, you better step up your town game, or I'm voting you

this post, again, is almost shockingly inauthentic - to that point i had made 9 posts, most of them 1-2 lines, pulling out a couple things at random - would that really be enough to impress anyone? really not likely but i was the only one talking and i had indicated i thought she might be town so she was trying to win favor with me

ok night blood!! good luck on your reading, and yeah, at the moment I'm voting Norwee over you, but I need to figure out my gerain read, I kinda skimmed all his posts and moved on, they looked towny enough, but there's no freaking way we're in a 2 scum setup? unless there's a traitor, and in that case. gg game over cause we're probably not winning that.

and this is purely trying to pocket me, because i was there

but norwee comes online and pitches a fit and she immediately pulls a 180. none of this is authentic it's purely trying to win the favor of whoever is talking

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Can’t a guy just fuckign have fun

i have no idea what reaction i should glean from this post

should have my reaction. if you take it seriously? I'm gonna throw you in the party police pile.

the post definitely feels ai
i'm just not sure what alignment
i have some thoughts on this but i'll save them for later

I'm trying pretty hard to just not auto sr you lol like I'm pretty sure I sr you every game regardless of alignment, so this is a new game, new me. but this ain't helping. Like, sure I'm not towntelling super hard right now. I'm here for a good time!!! I'm definitely town this game though, and if you wanna sus me for something non game related go for it lol looks like everyone else is just gonna turbo you and we start the game tomorrow?

i will readily admit i wrote this off when i was first reading but this is, like, fairly blatant early game distancing

there's kind of this timid fake-fight energy where they keep acting on edge to each other but neither wants to actually push the other

and in a gamestate like this where town has been missing on elims going after inactive players (i assume) it's a fairly solid indicator T3 was bussed - this was the exact sort of read i used in open 835. what you want to look for is people who seemed to be aware of his alignment from the start

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i have no idea if this will help anyone i assume most of you are too tired to meta dive, but in this game i played with t3 as mafia, he was so stupidly bus happy on day 1 that i bussed him after replacing in and helped the rest of the scumteam pretty much coast to a victory

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=86404

so the assumption that someone pushed by t3 is clear is a bad one - if anything he tends to distance/bus from his teammates

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If you're gonna keep doing this april, I'm gonna need explanation, what made you tr T3 more? cause I kinda sr T3 for trying to take the fun post seriously... yet apparently you TRed that?

But on a serious note, like, if you expect me to remember your past read chart? fam. I just remember purple left, like, changing reads with no explanation? April, that is not helpful to anyone, so clearly you TR T3, but I want to know for what. Holiday got scummier? Holiday hasn't posted. Like this annoys me the most currently lol you refusing to explain anything, so after they flip town/scum you'll be all "oh it wasn't a strong read anyways" tell us your reasons now, because I'm not gonna deal with this.

I'm keeping my vote on April, it's a serious vote, not rvs. I like fun and games, but this aint vibing

What sort of vibe do you get from April?

Like, April is feeling weird, idk if I'd call it town or maf cause it's almost too bold to be maf tbh with these reads lists. But there is no towny point to it. When asked to explain a single read. we get nothing. April had T3 as scummy on first one, then a lot townier on the 2nd when T3 said suspicious stuff. Others ignoring April are making me think I'm right

andante's posts just don't feel believable

Which ones, and why? You have thoughts on Andante but you seem reticent to share them, but I think that Andante is a topic of discussion right now and your input would be best put to use now.

it's a general vibe
like andante is scum trying really hrd to be excited

You don't believe I'm happy to be here? that is genuine lol are all your reads vibe reads? do you ever read off content?

When asked to explain a single read. we get nothing.

You could respect my comment about explaining later instead of wanting everything now now now. Just a thought.

No. You changed the list, that is where I'm most concerned. What made T3 towny? I don't tr T3 right now, and I've been trying to ask you why you moved T3 closer to a TR

I'm keeping my vote on April, it's a serious vote, not rvs. I like fun and games, but this aint vibing

What sort of vibe do you get from April?

Like, April is feeling weird, idk if I'd call it town or maf cause it's almost too bold to be maf tbh with these reads lists. But there is no towny point to it. When asked to explain a single read. we get nothing. April had T3 as scummy on first one, then a lot townier on the 2nd when T3 said suspicious stuff. Others ignoring April are making me think I'm right

Why would other people ignoring April make you think you're right? Wouldn't the idea be that: if a general consensus makes little/no comment on the list, and the consensus is going to be majority town, that there's not issue to be found with the reads list?

I think there is a towny point to expressing early reads, even if there is little basis for them thus far. But I assume that there is something to it and it's not an arbitrary assignment.

April gave a list. ok whatever. T3 then proceeded to go "GAMMA IS SCUM FOR SAYING "guess fun isn't allowed"" then April move T3 to townier... Like, sure I don't tr gamma now, gamma is just coasting, but trying to push gamma as scum for the fun line??? it's a bad reason, yet april is all "T3 is town now!!!" So I want April to tell me why my scum lean on T3 is wrong, yet no... "I'll find out later" like what? do you have TMI and know? this is why I try to not take games seriously.... it's genuinely driving me crazy

fairly obvious sign of TMI here - andante in the early game is talking about how T3 is scummy but uses this as a reason to push april, rather than go after T3 - typical scum play, fos your partner but attack the townie with the incorrect read on them. like by rights she ought to be fosing T3 but isn't because ???

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i'm not really super interested in the hero solve at elo (been burned by that too much), i'm just going to take it one at a time, not reading into enchant at all today

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I think that newer scum players would be more prone to bussing if only because it's easier than townreading things in a partner that aren't there, but the April-Andante interactions feel very unnecessary for S-S theatre that early on.

Newer scum players bus a lot, I speak from personal experience.

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andante's posts just don't feel believable

Which ones, and why? You have thoughts on Andante but you seem reticent to share them, but I think that Andante is a topic of discussion right now and your input would be best put to use now.

it's a general vibe
like andante is scum trying really hrd to be excited

i've thought about this for a pretty long amount of time and it still strikes me as extremely strange. the reason im not clear on the motivation is because it could be purely to shade or it could be tmi. either way i think the Andante is still scum.

what is andante doing

playing the game. what do you what from me?

I KNOW yall missed me when the game started but have no fear!!! doggo is here!!!

their iso is pretty long but im not going to dig through this all. posts like these two come right after each other.

andante hasn't actually done anything this game besides shade and pocket players. it may be that their personality is bright and cheery but people like that tend to be a little more trusting or extremely paranoid depending on which side they lean towards. this is highly likely to just be scum play.

i've posted a forth of andante's post count yet i can say with certainty that i've said more on the game than andante has.

AGREED.
VOTE: andante

makes a push but no real reasons of his own just following a town hardpushing (because he got nervous and bussed too early)

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Cause skimming T3, it's just "meta this, meta that" "town post" "vibes" for someone with almost 100 posts, I want actual content...

but I have a real strong suspicion the only "content" in 600 posts is "OMG ANDANTE HAS TO BE SCUM!!"

Do you have any other reads to talk about?

No cause there is literally nothing of significance. I still sr T3, like I did at the start, I saw April tried to explain the townyness or something, but I don't see it, and everyone else has been coasting/chilling and kinda joining the push on me for 0 reason.

Dwlee has provided

much less

content than I have.
This post just doesn't come in good faith and Andante/Dwlee might be s/s together.

him trying to tie andante to a townie - scum generally dont make up associatives between two towns because therse no point, they try to set up a town as being teamed with their partner so they can set up for a misfade if they have to bus

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i'm not really super interested in the hero solve at elo (been burned by that too much), i'm just going to take it one at a time, not reading into enchant at all today

Read my posts though.

ok gimme a minute

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Spoiler:

VOTE: murdercat

Eliminate all cats!!!

I have changed my avatar to represent our team! Go doggos!!

whaaatttt you must be mistaken!!! I am no enemy....

I love Chara!!!!

I'd say we trust lizards for now... cats are the number 1 enemy

oh wait, is it cause I refuse to fall under your rule?

andante i'm a town dolphin this time what about you

I'm a town doggo!!! WOOF WOOF

Anya I want questions!!!

@andante

can you explain:

why you joined the dog alliance
why you called yourself andante
why you're a wolf
why you voted for nero cain
why you're lurking and not answering my questions

YEESSS

why you joined the dog alliance- WOOF WOOF WOOF BARK WOOF
why you called yourself andante - BARK BARK BARK BARK BARK BARK
why you're a wolf- AWOOOOOOOOOO
why you voted for nero cain- WOOF BARK BARK WOOF WOOF
why you're lurking and not answering my questions- WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF

@cakez u don't have to worry too much about me hyperposting. I will be alot less active starting tomorrow till weekend. This is day off. I also have interview/final exam and normal working hours this week so yeah...wont be spamming like my usual stuff. I think right now everyone will be posting alot and speed will die down in 24 hours after excitement of game start gets over with.

@chara good. all going according to my plan

im really enjoying all of andante posts and don''t know how much is due to avatar lol

I'm glad you love my posts!!

non doggos rise up

i will be the chameleon shepherd to lead us to greatness and wipe these dogs off the face of this farm

Woah there... we can't have a rebellion happening!!!

VOTE: Anya

im really enjoying all of andante posts and don''t know how much is due to avatar lol

i liked Andante's very first post where i was complimented and the avatar was different, so absolutely no biases here.

You should also be in the high doggo ranks!!

A bear has appeared...

but I like the "death to all cats"

Pooky always looking at the bright side of life! Spoken like a true doggo!!! I think he's actually one of us!

all dogs must be killed to death

such a shame that we outnumber you

andante has a stroke by page 2 but has noticeabely less of a stroke and does not recover from said stroke

yeah what about it? They turbo'd me, as town, d2, a lot of this table was there.

this was early day 1

What are you trying to say about that game? If you even looked at the context that stuff was said in, it's fine... I was having fun, people were laughing. I like games where I have fun. shocking I know

true. looking at your later posts, even on day 2 you were still joking around a lot
there was quite a bit of content in there too, also
my scumread on you is waning after reading that though

what if andante is just another wiki?

this is t3 trying to find excuses to back off from the bus and vote someone other than andante, it's awkward af

i could dig more but i feel like this is telling enough

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If Holiday is town i voting Gera next.

This doesn't seem paired with Geraint.

Balance?

What is this?

Also, BG with Simple Doctor is pretty believable.

Hasn't even mentioned T3 or conversed with them up to now. But chimes in to say that the claim is "pretty believable"

VOTE: gera

^Important. This vote on Geraint was made AFTER the supposed "guilty" they would have had on T3 by that point. Can't believe i missed this earlier. They voted T3 before this btw, then changed to Geraint for ?? reasons.

Enchant - Combined Voyeur-Follower (N1: T3 No action taken/Protective action received, N2: Andante No action taken/No action received)

They got the action from T3 on night 1. It might even not have been intended as an real guilty, but just an mafia buddy "checking" their partner to see if an town investigative would be on them that night. That might also explain the Andante check if Andante is Enchant's scum partner.
The follower-voyeur is an scum role and scum!Enchant has been checking their partners on night 1 and 2 respectively.

i guess it's not impossible

took a quick look back and the strange thing to me is i'm not sure why enchant targeted T3 if he expected the BG claim to die

it's a pretty odd target choice

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dude why are you voting me

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lol

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embarrassing dude

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how do you get that butthurt as town, i wasn't even pushing you

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you don't have to troll, it's rude

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who am i kidding i love trolling go nuts

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enchant might be dumb enough to actually believe you lol

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ya don't mind my salt lol, i whine even though i took this slot knowing it was a likely loss, cant help myself

you had already manipulated things to a winning gamestate by the time i showed up and good on you for that, no shame at all, u def played good fro what i saw

annoying to get voted without even really talking to a person but that has nothing to do with you

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i tip my hat 2 u

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no need to apologize, fair's fair