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[Hella Jeff]

listen.
VOTE: Gamma Emerald
this ONE is a hit.....

[Hella Jeff]

I'm not too good with alt hunting

give it time..... and like a strange itch in yourcheeks the solution will be in arms reach..

[Hella Jeff]

THE MONKEY can be lock town for THE MONKEY'S birthday
what else do you want on your birthday/ you're wish is my command

[Hella Jeff]

Until proven otherwise I will be assuming Free Spirit is a Koba alt

[Hella Jeff]

Hella Jeff if you’re gonna role play you need moar typos

HOW AMNY

[Hella Jeff]

THE MONKEY can be lock town for THE MONKEY'S birthday
what else do you want on your birthday/ you're wish is my command

Erm... a scum flip by the end of the day??

tonal inclination in this post is worrisome

as a side note, i won't confirm any alt speculation

the SHIFT to non-alt hunting begin.........
[the tone seems reasonable to me actually but i need monkey thought process to solidify this]

[Hella Jeff]

OSUKA, i hunger for more of youre revelations.......

[Hella Jeff]

Based
VOTE: T3

[Hella Jeff]

bro. i STILL don't like gamma though
the alt hunting doesn't seem to have a purpose to it because he has no intention of finding answers /18/
personal curios i see from almost50 and i townlean that yknow what im saying. he WANTS others to help.
for gamma it feels like a forced substitute for juicy opinions. you're BETTER than this.

What’s wrong with a “slow start”?

fluffing machine. aware of the gamestate. all of these point to an open non-baller.

but whatever ime in too deep + i suck AHAHAHAHA get T3

[Hella Jeff]

everyone is so loud in this game!!

no just me
stop
STOP

[Hella Jeff]

it came across as tonally weird, mainly just the 2 question marks and the "erm..." part

What would
you wish for T3
[impportant}

[Hella Jeff]

guess who is back mfers..............................

[Hella Jeff]

ok i reread les start making rounds

[the tone seems reasonable to me actually but i need monkey thought process to solidify this]

Imagine a monkey having a thought process on page 2. Would be swell, tbh.

it came across as tonally weird, mainly just the 2 question marks and the "erm..." part

What would
you wish for T3
[impportant}

I wish for the willpower to not procrastinate

if a50 response was written on the spot (not real reason for scum to lie) then i think T3's is in the same roulm of genuineness

as i aged my posts in my head i FELT like some people would take in the fact that it's a TRADE
say your wish out loud........ the stars wont grant it because it got said out loud but Hella Jeff will help make them come true anyway
and i legit thought that when a50 had the 'erm' and the 2 question marks part that he was using it as a means of finding my ball status by giving me something i can do
then i reallise thats overthinking it jeff..... no one CARES. T3 didnt even anser it that way
so what do i think? i think this was a shitload of wasted energy AUUUUGH!
don't see why THE MONKEY shouldn't be town though

[Hella Jeff]

bro. i STILL don't like gamma though
the alt hunting doesn't seem to have a purpose to it because he has no intention of finding answers /18/
personal curios i see from almost50 and i townlean that yknow what im saying. he WANTS others to help.
for gamma it feels like a forced substitute for juicy opinions. you're BETTER than this.

What’s wrong with a “slow start”?

fluffing machine. aware of the gamestate. all of these point to an open non-baller.

but whatever ime in too deep + i suck AHAHAHAHA get T3

this is town

u answer why it look town
but how much do you agree....

[Hella Jeff]

slots on the Gamma wagon are fine

well actually just Geraint
idk Holiday yet

i fel the opp.

[Hella Jeff]

How would you feel if i started to speak a bunch of Norwegian gibberish in this here game of mafia mr JEFF.

WHAT
should i drop the gimmick, my bad
i feel the opposite*

[Hella Jeff]

K i'm going to use that as an excuse to drop the gimmick for this post, it takes embarrassingly long times to write my posts

Jeff do you have a reason to vote T3 instead of Gamma?

T3's "i kind of agree with this" then telling us the ONLY two things that you could reasonably deem awkward from a50's post feels unnecessarily hedgy

I did find it

tonally weird

though

it came across as

tonally weird

, mainly just the 2 question marks and the "erm..." part

along with that the use of "tonally weird' two posts in a row. i start grasping at straws here but the lack of variety in language seems like he's relying on vague phrasing in order to avoid giving stronger reads on someone
but this is coming from someone who likes making strong reads early and figuring out what to do with them later
it's why i do not care about what april's doing either
but jeff digresses.
I want to say T3 looks better with recent posting however

[Hella Jeff]

sorry quick question, april is FL's alt right

apparently

[Hella Jeff]

Can’t a guy just fuckign have fun

over night i hve changed my mind on you.
i think you're acted in apropriately given this playerlist which makes you MORE TOWN
but i NEED to do some homework, can you help me with that

[Hella Jeff]

hes also a lot more cynical and generally stingy. maybe i rubbed off on him?

how could you

--

If they say anything like "Pretty - Super confident" I'm gonna be suspicious... 5 green when I hadn't even talked? bruh... cause I'm in the green pool. making 6 green. purple is like the phase before red? so basically 3 red, all else town. hahaha 13 people, I'm assuming 3 maf. APRIL HAS SOLVED THE GAME FOR US!!! WHAT ARE WE WAITING FOR FOLKS???

dog.
what are

YOU

waiting for........
Youe currently voting nobody right

[Hella Jeff]

Way too early solve is Free Spirit, T3, and Hella Jeff.

i'm a fan

Gamma Emerald
geraintm
Dwlee99
Almost50
Osuka

Something_Smart

Azaariah
Andante
Holiday

T3

Free Spirit
Hella Jeff

No ranking between tiers. Don't worry, analysis is coming sometime. I'll likely be keeping it casual, checking in once, maybe twice a day.

youre top 5 is unironically good
needs more Jeff and less gerain though

[Hella Jeff]

are you writing to yourself right now? isn't it a little early in the game for people to be going nuts?

You ever. make a case
AND THEN it doesn't look useful at all and you realizedshz you are washed
AND THEN u feel like positing it even more

[Hella Jeff]

I'm keeping my vote on April, it's a serious vote, not rvs. I like fun and games, but this aint vibing

What sort of vibe do you get from April?

Like, April is feeling weird, idk if I'd call it town or maf cause it's almost too bold to be maf tbh with these reads lists. But there is no towny point to it. When asked to explain a single read. we get nothing. April had T3 as scummy on first one, then a lot townier on the 2nd when T3 said suspicious stuff. Others ignoring April are making me think I'm right

[SNIP] = jeff

Why would other people ignoring April make you think you're right? Wouldn't the idea be that: if a general consensus makes little/no comment on the list, and the consensus is going to be majority town, that there's not issue to be found with the reads list?

holiday

[Hella Jeff]

ive literally never written anything that wasnt good or useful, but if i had at any point in time i wouldn't actually submit it

oh.

Can’t a guy just fuckign have fun

over night i hve changed my mind on you.
i think you're acted in apropriately given this playerlist which makes you MORE TOWN
but i NEED to do some homework, can you help me with that

What homwork is this

can i HAVE games with you * anybody in this player. list pleas

[Hella Jeff]

I'm ignoring Jeff till later tbh

You saying stuff like this hurts, you know. My most important questions in this thread are directed towards you. You not sparing the patience to deal with Hella jeff is already starting to feel frustrating.
Maybe this is futile, and our relationship is pointless. I don't think it is though, I do believe that we can work it out, but only if you really care about making it work, if this relationship is important to you. Please explain yourself.

I know you're not a monster.

Sent from my iPhone

[Hella Jeff]

Day 1 in this game is going to be impossible to get decent reads isn't it.

HE HE HE
ironic....... i have reads on everybody who has posted >12 times except for you and april
use to be 10..... but SS just reached 11

[Hella Jeff]

Dear Jeff,

I am sorry. I care deeply about our relationship!
I do not mean for it to end!!! I was only saying that I couldn't understand something you said!

I am sincerely sorry for hurting your feelings, and hope you understand it wasn't intentional,
Andante

Sent from my iPhone

apology acepted!!

please stop the fucking gimmicks i hate it and my head already hurts because im hungover, the last thing i need is to read posts in stupid formats

excuse to stop gimmick posting found and accepted!!

Day 1 in this game is going to be impossible to get decent reads isn't it.

HE HE HE
ironic....... i have reads on everybody who has posted >12 times except for you and april
use to be 10..... but SS just reached 11

But are they decent?

i have april-level confidence on them...

[Hella Jeff]

you believe it to be scummy?

not really
I did find it tonally weird though

so you agreed to a post i made but didn’t actually go anywhere on it when pressed on the issue

i’d be hard pressed to townread you for that

is this a "didn't expect T3 doing this" thing or a "generally, i expect townies to go THIS direction" thing

[Hella Jeff]

T3 you haven't pocketed me yet wtf

Dwlee your ISO is 71% T3 and 28% andante the numbers are concerning

[Hella Jeff]

the green and towny urge to catch up with my buddies and talk about very pressing matters

[Hella Jeff]

T3 (5) Dwlee99, osuka, Hella Jeff, NorwegianboyEE, Gamma Emerald [E-2]

HOW did i NOT NOTICE THIS AHAHAHA

[Hella Jeff]

hey aza i'm coming back to you on your response but let me just
UNVOTE: T3

[Hella Jeff]

hella jeff, is andante scum? why or why not?

im here and I saw your case

how confident are you in those reads?

If they say anything like "Pretty - Super confident" I'm gonna be suspicious... 5 green when I hadn't even talked? bruh... cause I'm in the green pool. making 6 green. purple is like the phase before red? so basically 3 red, all else town. hahaha 13 people, I'm assuming 3 maf. APRIL HAS SOLVED THE GAME FOR US!!! WHAT ARE WE WAITING FOR FOLKS???

i think andante is scum. this post is just such a strange post and not in a good way. what was the motivation behind posting this post? i actually dont understand.
this is followed by a lot of very exaggerated posts and topped off by some faulty logic. unlike the latter two, the faulty logic is towny but i still think there's a good chance andante is scum.

VOTE: Andante

i think t3 is town. im not entirely sure why there even is a wagon there right now.

the way this is phrased is just *chefs kiss* i don't even know why it townpings me so strongly
but okay less pocketing now
i don't really want to vote andante today.
the aggressive shading pinged me HARD, it was unprompted and designed to discredit somebody without addressing their actual content, just the fact that they have content

but i can't tie it to a common scum motivation. to muddy the waters? no, doing it to a more active player would have a much stronger effect. this is in the same realm as picking a fight with someone, which can have a variety of effects to town health (i'm talking out of my ass here) like hasty townreads and polarization of ideas

after a little rereading, i actually think andante scum clears april. andante shades april so much that i don't think april could possibly be a buddy. that doesn't make sense.

why does andante's scumteam want that? reminder that andante came pretty late into the game. i can think of a few better targets. gamma, T3 and maybe even norwee come to mind because they're generally more active and prone to those fights(?) which help achieve the scum motivations i talked about above
nobody's chiming in saying "april's pretty town." an andante scumflip would give every single person here a cleared slot to work with
and i just don't really see it

[Hella Jeff]

and if it's not intentional, andante's just being andante,
all i can think of for that argument is "well,, she has a whole ass scumteam to tell her that she's going on a spiel about a misunderstanding and that she should cut it out"
because it's universally agreed on that it isn't a good look

[Hella Jeff]

T3 you haven't pocketed me yet wtf

Dwlee your ISO is 71% T3 and 28% andante the numbers are concerning

uhhh i just binned them because their ISO was so incredibly unorthodox

[Hella Jeff]

Why the unvote

norwee's pushes are making me feel some typa way

also im resuming gimmick posting in 3 hours I miss it

[Hella Jeff]

Feel what?
Aroused?

NORWEE~!
not in public!
GET IN THE SCUM PT

[Hella Jeff]

im not sure andante's scum team wants that. i dont think this is something their team told them to do. i think they just sort of decided to do it and by the time this post was posted, nothing could really be done about it.

what i find interesting is that no one else had an issue with it when it was a very very strange post.

i can understand town missing it but i feel like if andante were town, scum definitely would've picked at it before i got here three entire years later. my activity was not the best because i couldn't find anything that really pinged me any way and there was plenty of time for scum to pick at it. instead they all stayed quiet. scum are actively looking for things to push and i'm doubtful that all three did not pick up on it. you could say that it was because andante was pretty widely townread and scum were scared to push there.

i would somewhat agree with that statement but it's also very clear that andante is a newer player. no matter how townread they are on page ten, they are still mislim bait.

it's clear andante isn't one of the prodigy newer players who are just insanely good at the game so they are absolutely mislim bait but there was not a single SR there until i came along.

andante's scum flip doesn't clear april. it just makes me think that april is very likely town.

i think there's too many layers for me to figure out the most likely reason for it, but maybe i'm overthinking it. stuff like

how people treat LHF slots as scum,

who was active and who has actually played with andante (osuka, who else?)
i feel underlined is important because i

think

there's as many scum that will whiteknight as those who'll make sure that limbait slots don't have any room to towntell, for example
writing this feels like a huge jab at osuka but i'm in the same boat as norwee here wrt him. i'm picking out certain things that could be done to andante's posting for Evil Scum Gain and it happens to fall in that category

I really just don’t like

[whiteknighting]

in general because it typically just helps scum by either saving a struggling mafia player, or keeping limbait alive for ElO when their flips would have been helpful to know beforehand.

norwee has it down, so he's obviously bussing

fleshing out the idea of knowing april's alignment after andante's flip i can't really imagine a scum!april grouped with scum!andante right now but i only see it in a world where the posting was deliberate, meaning that the april-andante interactions were theatre
if we ever come into the conclusion after that that it wasn't deliberate/planned then i just townclear april. surely andante wouldn't hellbus for no reason right?
uhhhh maybe i should just read the game

[Hella Jeff]

so you think that scum white knight a slot that is widely townread mislim bait instead of setting it up today in preparation for a mislim in a couple days?

y...........,.,.,y,es

i'm not a good scum player by any means but i've done it before. some towns will notice the amount of confidence you have in reading someone and implicitly declare you the spokesperson of reading them if that makes sense. ill call norwee's 415 back again and say that it doesn't even have to be about eliminating them.
but maybe that's besides the point? i kinda forgot what we were talking about

[Hella Jeff]

Spoiler: Thes catch up posts were like from yester day. i've BEEN meaning to post. now irrevevant

T3 you haven't pocketed me yet wtf

Dwlee your ISO is 71% T3 and 28% andante the numbers are concerning

Now it's something JEFF

THE PERCENTAGES HAVE SHIFTED TO SOMETHING MORE FAVORABLEV

I'm ignoring Jeff till later tbh

Why

gamma says while not giving me a shitload of games to read like i humbly asked. like a metric ton or more

as long as people think it's weird, they have an easy path to realizing that it comes from scum more often than it comes from town because town really doesn't care enough to reply to a question directed at someone else. sometimes we're even too lazy to read posts that don't have our name in it. i just dont feel like its towny

i asppire to be as true to oneself as you are azaa

April gave a list. ok whatever. T3 then proceeded to go "GAMMA IS SCUM FOR SAYING "guess fun isn't allowed"" then April move T3 to townier... Like, sure I don't tr gamma now, gamma is just coasting, but trying to push gamma as scum for the fun line??? it's a bad reason, yet april is all "T3 is town now!!!"

ok let me stop you...............
"guess fun isn't allowed" is a response to the first scumcase in the game. an accusation that gamma's deliberately fluffing by doing everything except chum hurting
that post and T3's response mean something and i'm bothered by you continuing to say its not

I’m just wary of hyper tunneling FL and having us argue for 20 pages.
Because that’s kinda how all our games devolve into being.

#goodpost

#agreed

don't see it

[Hella Jeff]

ike i humbly asked. like a metric ton or more

I remberber no such reques

that is ok... Got them myself

don't see it

Last game I remember FL and Norwee being in they were TvT dueling wagons on D1

Then WHAT is THE DOG DOING..................

#agreed

do she rember?

oh by the way if this wasn't clear, holiday just skyrocketed to the top of my TRs

give me a fat ass high five

[Hella Jeff]

if {a50, holiday} have ball haters in them
A tear will be shead
it's extremely unlikely i'll reevaluate these

[Hella Jeff]

?
?
?

[Hella Jeff]

SS can be IC i don
mind

[Hella Jeff]

me, en lighten and smart: you both are LAME-ist HE HE HE

[Hella Jeff]

what the fuck is going on here? "the fact that my SR has persisted for over 10 pages shows dedication" - are you making a towncase on yourself? why? are you implying that you're pushing andante for the towncred and simultaneously claiming that you're being successful at it? getting a newer player eliminated isn't necessarily a piece of cake _especially_ if the rest of the lobby is experienced (which, on average, is the case).

Oh yeah this confuses me a BIT because this was how i lookd # the convo
"azaariah has a higher chance of being scum if andante is scum." 448
"i don't hellbus for no reason" 456
"you can if you're confident that nobody will follow you" 461
"i want people to follow me, its been my push for 10 pages" 475

[Hella Jeff]

the more i read that post of osukas, the more it doesn't make sense but it looks so scummy that i feel like it could just be town. osuka is basically saying that i openly said in thread that i am scum and pushing my scum buddy which makes no actual sense no matter how you think about it. no matter what my alignment is, it doesn't make sense. it feels like osuka isn't processing anything he himself says. i feel like erratic play like this does typically come from town though so im alright with a TR there.

the more i read that post of andantes, the more it doesn't make sense but it looks so scummy that i feel like it could just be town. andante is basically saying that april is scumclaiming because of unprompted changes in their readslist which makes no actual sense no matter how you think about it. no matter what april's alignment is, it doesn't make sense. it feels like andante isn't processing anything she herself says. i feel like erratic play like this does typically come from town though so im alright with a TR there.

[Hella Jeff]

Gamma let GET a

TOWN CORE

going what do you think about HOLIDAY

[Hella Jeff]

so you think that if i posted a reads list and someone asked me a specific question about it, some newly replaced in person saying "it'd be really scummy if Azaariah replies [this]" isn't strange?

Well, it would be strange, but not for that reason. It wouldn't be any less strange if someone who'd already interacted with you a bunch said it.

I kind of understand their Andante push. Andante commented after and added like 4 things that I didn't say, and then shaded. It was like they were trying to create shade to throw onto me out of nothing, and then they layered and started to comment on the layers.

If you look into the posts, I really didn't do anything, and Andante pushed it like I was doing something unfathomable.

It's day 1, I don't ever understand any push

How about
now

I just KNOW that there are some CHOICE ones that you can pick out bro

[Hella Jeff]

i have april-level confidence on them...

Everyone assumed I was confident with my reads, but I actively said it was early Day 1, and I'm known for drastically flip flopping on my reads.

This alongside Hella Jeff agreeing with my top 5 being "unironically good" then trying to add Geraint back into my vote pool confirms to me that my reads list is something on Hella Jeff's radar.

I believe them to be doing damage control on me.

no i meant it verbatim and as a jab at andante who was caught up on confidence levels

Not confident enough to expect to be wrong on all 3, confident enough that I don't think all 3 are in my greens.

geraint's swayed me the least this entire game, please excuse my roundabout ways of asking about their placement
are they one of the three people you're more familiar with here? i know that norwee cited meta

[Hella Jeff]

PARTY'S OVER FOLKS

[Hella Jeff]

this kind of manipulation is pretty towny but i also feel like scum you could churn it out in your sleep

What do you MEAN by
"this kind of manipulation"/.

[Hella Jeff]

oh yes 610 is undoubtedly cringe
you know, EVRY time that has been use on me re gard less of my alignment the person has come out on top as town
im not going to ACTUALLY use that because admittedly my sample size is low
but if i wer to put it in bullshit mafia terms it'd be like "town's obsession of something that's insignificant and comes off as weird is

HARD

to fake

[Hella Jeff]

If there's anything actually important that happened please someone at least tell me who/what happened, but like, I genuinely don't think much more happened than Aza screaming I'm wolf, I mean yeah sure, doggo wolf, close enough, but all these "cases" COME ON... trying to make something out of nothing. Literally nothing was happening in the game, someone had a different read than me, I wanted to know why. this is like the 10th time I've said so, definitely said it back when it actually happened too, yet I'm being pushed and voted for nothing?

T3 spent 1 hour and 16 minutes reading Something_Smart ISOs and has come with the verdict that they are

TOWN

[Hella Jeff]

no like across multiple games liek SS said

[Hella Jeff]

here's some questions i raised a while ago that stile apply

If they say anything like "Pretty - Super confident" I'm gonna be suspicious... 5 green when I hadn't even talked? bruh... cause I'm in the green pool. making 6 green. purple is like the phase before red? so basically 3 red, all else town. hahaha 13 people, I'm assuming 3 maf. APRIL HAS SOLVED THE GAME FOR US!!! WHAT ARE WE WAITING FOR FOLKS???

dog.
what are

YOU

waiting for........
Youe currently voting nobody right

don't see [why post 172 is good]

Last game I remember FL and Norwee being in they were TvT dueling wagons on D1

Then WHAT is THE DOG DOING..................

#agreed

do she rember?

[Hella Jeff]

Hella Jeff's ISO is literally

RIGHT

THERE

.

[Hella Jeff]

Azaariah (2) osuka, Gamma Emerald

azaariah wagon giving me the creeps ngl

[Hella Jeff]

666th post

[Hella Jeff]

like... trying to deliberately make discussion around something in order to help the gamestate

Ah, thank

[Hella Jeff]

i am absolutely torn right now. i feel like andante's emotions are genuine but i will feel horrible if i let scum slip by me like that. i'm going to take a break and think. can everyone leave andante alone for a little bit? i am really stressed over all of this. i feel like this is my fault. please everyone just shut your laptop and take some deep breaths. let this thread breathe.

(expired on 2021-11-15 21:51:55)

[Hella Jeff]

i am absolutely torn right now. i feel like andante's emotions are genuine but i will feel horrible if i let scum slip by me like that. i'm going to take a break and think. can everyone leave andante alone for a little bit? i am really stressed over all of this. i feel like this is my fault. please everyone just shut your laptop and take some deep breaths. let this thread breathe.

(expired on 2021-11-15 21:51:55)

Free from the shackles Hella Jeff put on Hella Jeff's self, Hella Jeff stretches. His mind is still foggy; he took a break per Azaariah's wishes for town to get away from the game. While he wasn't speaking at all during that time and he has never ever felt heated playing the game of Mafia therefore the command obviously wasn't meant for him, he obliges. One hour and 16 minutes of silence. It's a Hella long time, you know. Enough to get a read on some intelligent doohickey. He used it to take a shower and eat dinner. Now he is ready to solve. It's going to be a Hella long night.

Ok, not gonna lie, I was going down the list for "who has posted the most" and landed on Jeff. The more I think about it, the more I can't get it out of my head, then looking at the ISO, Jeff + Aza is looking real plausible.

T3 (5) Dwlee99, osuka, Hella Jeff, NorwegianboyEE, Gamma Emerald [E-2]

HOW did i NOT NOTICE THIS AHAHAHA

That instant T3 wagon is interesting as well, Jeff had an initial comment about not liking Gamma's alt hunting, early game. I know this wagon was RVS, and this is said without looking at Gamma's ISO, but possibly Aza/Jeff/Gamma as a team. Like "oh haha partner, you're scummy for alt hunting!!" Jeff is gonna be a hard read, I have that feeling, but there's something odd about Jeff's ISO, like ok sure, gimmick, but like, his lines, there's no focus anywhere, seems to be getting by by just aimlessly talking. I could be wrong about Aza/Gamma as partners, but he quotes Aza a LOT compared to the other lines

smal correction, the alt hunting wasn't anything more than guessing and i was macking on him for that. i don't really care about anonymity
in fact you know the funniest shit ever?
i made this alt because i wanted to chill with people who knew who the character was. i'm pretty sure gamma's one of the only people who knows and i was so excited when he queued up w me
i think there's zero reason why i don't spill the identity if i'm scum with him and then redact it later
but that's not really game-related
also, case with logic i don't understand = i poke at the logic. i don't really see how that's more likely to be an SvS interaction because of how much i mention az. it just means i had a conversation with them

[Hella Jeff]

It's not jeff and gamma. hahahaha there is no way these 2 are partners, Jeff who are you thinking is town?

i'm still definitely content on townreading a50 and holiday, i think a50's play has felt pure and 'individual', as incredibly vague as those two terms are. i don't think it's something i can articulate without actually sitting down for it
i haven't called out every instance of it (but i can if asked) but i've melded with holiday more than once. lots of agreement, same reactions to specific posts its like god damn!

then i get below and it gets super shaky.
{andante, T3, azaariah} are a tier below, but while

all three of them are in wagons

, honestly can't look at them badly right now, i think all of them have shown genuine conviction in game-specific topics
and uh sure i'll take dwlee's claim at face value
that's my top 7

[Hella Jeff]

{andante, T3, azaariah} are a tier below, but while all three of them are in wagons, honestly can't look at them badly right now, i think all of them have shown genuine conviction in game-specific topics

i'm aware this is super flow-charty! ill get that fixed eventually.................

[Hella Jeff]

reduced activity 2day

[Hella Jeff]

i dont like this. the poe is really gross. it really looks like you are just placing everyone who took part in the 1v1 between andante and i and put them in poe because we are being discussed right now and most likely to come under pressure. the town reads are also just not good.

you townread everyone who basically hasn't done anything (relative to the current "1v1") or have a decent amount of town reads.

thats pretty lazy.

ok Azaariah said this, not T3, just yoinked it from his post and formatting 2hard
firstly, where do i fall in bolded?
my townreads are the polar opposite and could be generalized as just as lazy. is this something you've missed or is there a reason why you haven't called it out?

[Hella Jeff]

im interested in this because i that slot hasn't jumped out to me in that way, but it also hasn't jumped out to me as particularly genuine. i have a townlean there, but it's very weak. in what way is his game political?

gut, but feels like legitimate interest in my slot and april's
as in none of it seems forced?

[Hella Jeff]

I dont find an issue with one lazy read but a full set? i do have an issue with that.

no, mine's a full set as it can be generalized that way is what i'm saying

Oh! Jeff,
if you're around, I would love some explanation on T3, you say you can't look at him badly and that he's shown "genuine conviction in game-specific topics" I would really love some help seeing what makes him towny, A50 I'm not fully certain on, but I can see a Holiday/aza/dwlee town world. T3 is the one I would really love to hear more on though if you have a moment

1 hour and 16 minutes

acknowledging this one, i'll be sure to give out a fleshed out answer when i get back here

[Hella Jeff]

Should i vote Jeff, April?

aye, wanna thunderdome?

[Hella Jeff]

Another thing that doesn't sit too well with me, A50, yes they subbed into a maf slot this game, but I think their play thus far has been super similar to:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=86330

The carefree, "I'm not doing anything" personality. I'm just struggling to see A50 as anything higher than null here as well.

andante, a50 weaponized his personality in that game and was constantly reliant on others, which directly contrasts this game

i'm gonna be frank, i'm fine with you pushing there but there's zero way i'm allowing a lim on A50 today
im going to divulge that I was in that game and i've felt considerable differences between both ISOs
my townread was disregarding meta though so that's another bit to add

[Hella Jeff]

jeff has seemed town from the start for me but maybe that's just someone who knows how to pocket me and I'm blithely unaware because alt

i too am prone to pockets from the most unbearable gimmick alts

[Hella Jeff]

hella jeff prediction: azaariah says something really towny with 1 hours and 16 minutes left on d1 and someone nobody asked for to die dies

[Hella Jeff]

if you're around, I would love some explanation on T3, you say you can't look at him badly and that he's shown "genuine conviction in game-specific topics" I would really love some help seeing what makes him towny, A50 I'm not fully certain on, but I can see a Holiday/aza/dwlee town world. T3 is the one I would really love to hear more on though if you have a moment

kk i remember now
the spiel he went into early-game about if free spirit was x identity he could see both them and gamma being SvS. looking back, it seems like moonlogic which makes me believe it's genuine even more
coincidentally or not i see no mention of that on your T3 case. is this something you took into account?

[Hella Jeff]

if you think im town, what is this shade for?? you've been consistently calling me town why constantly shading me. i dont understand what you are doing at this point.

i'm not implying you're scum, i'm implying that the people voting you are doing so for reasons so lax that a rushed d1 pivot is a legitimate concern

[Hella Jeff]

gonna ruin my personal enjoyment of the game again and return to gimmick posting
otherwise i'm putting this name to waste

[Hella Jeff]

SAME

[Hella Jeff]

oh FUCK YOU
o suka.

im having some login issues but it sounded like no shade and i also never understood why holiday and a50 were higher than me in your reads. you made so many posts calling me town and included reasons yet im not higher than holiday and a50 who you havent made any significant posts on?? to be honest i also think holiday is the towniest but still

I HAVE though.....

It's not jeff and gamma. hahahaha there is no way these 2 are partners, Jeff who are you thinking is town?

i'm still definitely content on townreading a50 and holiday, i think a50's play has felt pure and 'individual', as incredibly vague as those two terms are. i don't think it's something i can articulate without actually sitting down for it
i haven't called out every instance of it (but i can if asked) but i've melded with holiday more than once. lots of agreement, same reactions to specific posts its like god damn!

then i get below and it gets super shaky.

{andante, T3, azaariah} are a tier below, but while

all three of them are in wagons

, honestly can't look at them badly right now, i think all of them have shown genuine conviction in game-specific topics
and uh sure i'll take dwlee's claim at face value
that's my top 7

This one talks the most abt my homie A50 with an offer to talk more about my other homie Christma
There's NOTHING bad to say about them to me. boh of them should be UNI VERSALLY read as

TOWN.

[Hella Jeff]

in fact..................
i just made one on a50 meta like an hour and 16 minutes ago
It issmall sample size BS but it
ok
i don think its possible to get to the level those two have......

[Hella Jeff]

lemme co-mod
put me in coach
i love the fitches

[Hella Jeff]

happ birth SS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Should i vote Jeff, April?

naughty point. don't like people asking others permission to vote, takes the responsibility off themselves

I didn’t ask for permission though. I’m not basing my life on what April thinks, but i wanted to germt a better understanding of their stance on Jeff. So i could read both slots better.

may not HELP anybody but assume paula + norwegian not paired...... weak but two scum slots BADGERING Ludgate about me seems kinda wack.........
allow me to

ITN FOIL

... you said this in order to mimic osuka who said something similar, which i called out and townleaned
except your questioning isn't in quisitive, it was closed-ended which only nets you wone word answers,,, it doesn't do the thing you claim it does

im interested in this because i that slot hasn't jumped out to me in that way, but it also hasn't jumped out to me as particularly genuine. i have a townlean there, but it's very weak. in what way is his game political?

this! mmmm yummy!

Should i vote Jeff, April?

this.............. err uhh you decide those who are reading at home

[Hella Jeff]

What was the point of it? None of it was game related

game suffering from absolutely humongous cases of RTFT rn...

[Hella Jeff]

Maybe they've played different but i don't think they've been playing particularly townie.

TWO things i can do here............

-town case a50
-DESTROY norwee!scum who spews a50 town
which one easier ?
VOTE: NorwegianboyEE

[Hella Jeff]

also i fel like ive been under calculating
GE's chance of being town in my head

[Hella Jeff]

Is this that dreaded gamestate where people are like: "uhh, can’t find scum so… let’s just vote Norwee lulz"

game suffering from absolutely humongous cases of RTFT rn...

no i'm just being opportunistic

I literally created my alt to AVOID this.

i promise i dont actually care who you are
if u want, i can tho ugh

[Hella Jeff]

1000th post

[Hella Jeff]

i also......... Dont like your treatment of T3 but thats something ill EXPAND on later.
cool things happen later

[Hella Jeff]

norwee im gonna b honest in AFRAID
AFRAIF OF YOU BEING SCUM
stop doing things that feel like you're appealing to just Hella Jefferson
you have like 2 points right now and. thats without diving
and the actions are not even scummy..... just phrased weirdly.....
raw, concenrated paranoia

[Hella Jeff]

Does anyone townread A50 and why.
I think their vibes are like cruising and that's scummy for them imo.

my entire night will be focused on towncasing him
I cant leave you guys alone with a50 you'll kill him
you need my divine intervention

[Hella Jeff]

What do you mean i'm doing things that feel like they are appealing to Hella Jefferson.
I don't even know who you are or what would appeal to you in the first place

THATS THE WCARY THING

[Hella Jeff]

i dont meant o act like that norwee
i've been approaching the game at what i think's a fine pace
but the problem is i have no idea what to do with my POE
my townreads? feel asbolutely solid but we're arent trust falling are we
bear with me here

[Hella Jeff]

and sure you can say "well ur townread on a50 is actually pretty shit"
and yeah i am,, making a few things up as i go
because if i'm being honest the base of the read is pretty angleshooty
but i wanna get rid of that base. think meta reading is the way to go

pedit: lololol

[Hella Jeff]

uhhh and yeah! i'm okay with you pressuring him on that there
same with anybody else
just don't finalize it. i think the evidence is there, maybe the pressure and the reactions are what a person needs to solidify the read

[Hella Jeff]

id unvote, actually
but i haven't organized my thoughts on you yet

You're saying you made up reasons to townread him because you're putting this on some sort of high-stakes gamble?!
And you haven't even meta read him yet?

made-up isn't the word, it's more like, biased

i DID meta-read him, too. just not to the extent that i want to later
935

[Hella Jeff]

Ok fine.

Let’s presume A50 is town doing the bare minimum of activity other than the posting of music vids.

Who do we kill today.
Because that’s kind of our job, and A50 doesn’t seem to be helping with figuring that one out.

i don't want these people slaughtered today. at all

{hella jeff, gamma emerald, holiday, a50}

these people ill have a mild resistance to going

{andante, osuka, april* azaariah}

which leaves the "poe" (5 people = 5 total condemns disregarding like, those roles that fuck up parity)

{norwee, T3, SS, dwlee, geraintm}

* - for some reason i haven't critically evaluated this slot. like at all.

[Hella Jeff]

I'm not a fan of how everyone ignored me going "t3 doesn't look towny" not a single person interacted with my giant post

hmm i thought i did? i might've kept it in drafts, because i know there's a couple drafted posts on my chromebook

[Hella Jeff]

How the heck are april,osuka, aza and I on the same level?

because none of you deserve to be higher? unsure how to answer this one

[Hella Jeff]

found it lol!

Andante's case on T3 is something i want to look at today also, i think i can acknowledge that out of the three people that I had listed as townleans I would be picking them as the most likely hit

[Hella Jeff]

These are some depressing reads wow.

eat cheeks

[Hella Jeff]

I think i know who you are Jeff.

town?

[Hella Jeff]

Didn’t you say you were quitting mafia.

probably getting jebaited with that comment but its ok
i think both you and gamma are off the mark

[Hella Jeff]

How the heck are april,osuka, aza and I on the same level?

i keep thinking about this comment
do u want an extra friend?
{april, osuka, azaariah, andante, dwlee99}

[Hella Jeff]

the perspectiveposting is giving me a few moments of "oh shit, that checks out" but i wanna know how 866 falls into it. how much of it do you still believe?

[Hella Jeff]

VOTE: almost50
If I’m right about who HJ is, them defending A50 this hard is even more damning for him than if I were to give that same type of defense on someone

what the hell is your gameplan?
flip a50, see them green, know that jeff had a godread on them, and try to flip them too?
i could MAYBE see the other way around.
but the way you're doing it means:
-you're almost certainly flipping someone who is rolling town
-you get zero info about andante/azaariah/t3 regardless of alignment, who are all hot topics
what are the actual upsides
it's unbearable

[Hella Jeff]

hi april

[Hella Jeff]

-you get zero info about andante/azaariah/t3 regardless of alignment, who are all hot topics

Why are you so focused on those slots though?
I think the current Azaariah wagon is a waste of time. An distraction.
And T3 has just one person voting them.

all three of them have/had people strongly going for them. think andante's the only person who has had the pushes defused, which you've pointed out already. if you find things to point to their alignment then you learn more about the pushers by association
something like that. their alignments are more useful than normal
i guess same with my slot. it does get spooky when april hits the thread every couple of hours with a "hey, you know about that Jeff? strongest read of mine!"

slightly unrelated note, it's not something i'll contest strongly because from an outsider's perspective yeah, i do see a world where i directly appeal to them by mimicking a few of their most important reads earlygame. i'm cooler than that though, i think i've portrayed that already

[Hella Jeff]

A50 vs Gamma is actually coming across pretty big, and directly forces more action towards it if this is the way the push ends up going, which forces players like Andante/Aza/t3 to go further into the game, after more info is here.

it's just something that bothers me because they're both stronger townreads. ill let the flames keep on going there (when writing that post i was solely thinking of what an a50 green/redflip would tell you about these 3 if it were to happen right now) but i just generally do not approve of either of them going over. i'll just be here doing my own work

[Hella Jeff]

mini catchup time go~!

[Hella Jeff]

I’ve been playing like I normally do: attempting to form reads off of posts

hella jeff strawman fluff butt......... isn't this what everyone does?

Holiday - i forget about them, and i generally like what they say. This is actually a red flag. This is probably gonna be my highest scum read right now, but honestly, none of my deeper scum reads are that strong. I think scum is playing it safe, as I said with that Andante a bit back.

you don't believe in town at first sight? :0
our experiences with holiday will obv be different because we don't share the same thought processes, but i think they're more than a generally likeable slot to me. like, if i were to sort people 'playing it safe', i'd put myself below holiday, there's more than a few of his posts where it's like he takes the hidden opinions inside my brain and flaunts them

geraintm - a lot of focus on day 1 reads not meaning anything, honestly, this is right in line with how i feel geraint feels about day 1, and i understand that's how he thinks.

however, he might just be stating a fact about his mafilosophy, which could be coming from scum.

speaking of flaunting, i do see a lot of that pattern among your top town and nobody else. t3, geraint, and S_S to an extent have all done it.
throwaway observation i know

but i would like to clarify that my lack of doing stuff is nai
in fact when i'm demotivated i'm usually town

i thought the demotivation was related to outside stresses? how much is that a factor?

[Hella Jeff]

also, crazy amount of people townreading SS, enough for me to consider rebuilding that read

[Hella Jeff]

2nd - i dont know who paula is

i also......... Dont like your treatment of T3 but thats something ill EXPAND on later.
cool things happen later

3rd ^^^ i dont know who this is referrring to

paula = osuka
and the other post was for norwee
i still need to do that btw. keep reminding me

[Hella Jeff]

this page of andante's posts actually looks pretty good now that i'm reading it. i read a couple of this posts earlier but i definitely feel some towny mindset seeping from these posts. andante's so offended at the idea that they are scum that i think it probably does come from town. i haven't seen my tell yet but im actually ok with retracting my last long post and unvoting for now. UNVOTE:

oh and yeah my bad, thanks for pointing out that one again

waow
ngl you trying to pursue why free spirit hadn’t posted is probtown bcuz scum imo tend to be more aware of stuff like, idk, people switching to their mains?

toned down but more likely version of the post i feel is that they aren't SvS
Shrug

[Hella Jeff]

In case of an investigation by any federal entity or similar, I do not have any involvement with the Mafia or with the people in it, I do not know how I am hard aligned with them, probably a false narrative by similarly nefarious thrid parties, I do not support any actions by the members of the Mafia.

[Hella Jeff]

K i finished the A50 towncase, gonna withhold it until you guys figure out what you want to do with the slot

[Hella Jeff]

something something too early to handhold something something must let it play out

[Hella Jeff]

Look, I briefly skimmed this morning, saw Jeff claiming miller? and I wanted clarification there, that's really the only reason I even posted, I don't recall any of your recent lines tbh

informed miller, fullclaiming
i am informed that Andante is in the game

[Hella Jeff]

1289 and 1292 have respond-worthy stuff, marking it for later when I have more time

[Hella Jeff]

yeah it's in that 16 page range

thinking abt the wagons i'd be voting t3 right now. maybe my vote does end there by the end of the day because it helps me read norwee which is one of the only people whose alignment i can't point to on a scale.
used to be a hard scumread, then they posted really well and i'm continuing to wonder where it came from. lots of work to do this weekend

[Hella Jeff]

I think it’s an interesting dynamic that April is saying he wants to support S_S.
It makes me feel like i should have a better read on S_S in general.

i KNOW you're not doing it on purpose but

stop doing things that feel like you're appealing to just Hella Jefferson

maybe i'm just incredibly stupid and you're town
UNVOTE:

[Hella Jeff]

ok i feel bad putting hella jeff in that floating in space category but so many people keep saying we need to look at him that i am genuinely paranoid and wondering if this is just one of my blind spots in this game. i dont know what to do about that so im just leaving it be and staying away.

push me hard! i spew!

[Hella Jeff]

as of page 47, a50 is no longer in my exec pool for d1

gameing

[Hella Jeff]

as of page 47, a50 is no longer in my exec pool for d1

gameing

explain

you think the funky monkey is town, and i think that's pretty
gameing

[Hella Jeff]

what the fuck does gameing mean

What the hell is "gameing"
I only know about gaming. Like some real gamer shit.

game-ing

Can we just burn that entire last page in a fire

mafiascummers stop shitting on eachother challenge for things that can be solved with just 1 hour and 16 minutes of spare time (impossible)

[Hella Jeff]

I know that.
What i’m asking is why is HJ saying: "gaming" in reply to Osuka’s post?

i guess in that context i used it as a shortened version of "pro-gaming?" a50's one of my most confident townreads and i don't care whatever method you use, if you grab that same townread then you're super good, awesome and cool at the game like Hella Jeff

[Hella Jeff]

But the way i solve is to find out which players are trying to solve and which players are doing so genuinely.
If you do not do these things then i cannot read you as town. Thus i will push you, that's how i work.

dumb take

also used to think this until 1432
before that it felt like norwee was deliberately using it to mimic how they solve as town so that they could use it to justify a mislim on someone that this way of sorting definitely doesn't work on nowadays. now that i know that there's layers to it i don't care that much

[Hella Jeff]

Ok, but to be fair that initial T3 wagon was RVS, people unvoted once they were like "ahhh e-2" and trying to say anything about the first rvs wagon?? It doesn't mean a lot, only useful for seeing how the person reacts,
[snip] -HJ

oh t3 wagon didn't feel like RVS for sure, i think both people i cased had reactions to the case that the thread was split on and that was pretty fine for like, page 5 reads

Vote Count 1.0.1


T3 (5) Dwlee99, osuka, Hella Jeff, NorwegianboyEE, Gamma Emerald [E-2]
Gamma Emerald (2) Holiday, geraintm
Andante (1) Azaariah
Hella Jeff (1) Almost50

Not Voting (13) Andante, T3, April Ludgate, Something_Smart

Deadline: (expired on 2021-11-22 18:17:16)

Mod Notes:
VC is done by hand. Please let me know if I mess something up.

NorwegianboyEE replaces Free Spirit.

what.

i want to say that T3 not really caring that they were at E-2 earlygame, then getting really pissed when someone mentioned them at E-1 (which ended up being false) leans town? but excuse my hedginess

Hella Jeff and Norwegian derailed the T3 wagon.

Then the Andante wagon started up. Norwegian/T3 started, but they also backed off.

Then T3 hops onto azaar.

Interesting, there is a lot of circulation around T3.

i have no idea why i marked this post for myself i dont have anything to say to it except for "true"
someone teach me how to improve my memory

It’s literally just gaming spelled differantly

gamma locktown

on an unrelated note,
i remember thinking there was a lot to osuka's 944 which made me kinda bothered when a couple of people were like "azaariah voters are shallow"
still think there is a lot, just slightly less than i thought; maybe the cursing fluffed it up and made it look stronger than it was
one of my gripes is this quote:

i have so many questions from this post. why are you saying andante has to be vt or scum? that's a reach. why are you saying andante's flip is bad if you're scum? that puts pressure on you? that's nothing you can't deflect if you're good enough at it. if i'm scum, i'll take that trade and honestly a good scum player can get out of much, much worse than that.

i think the way you've been treating them makes me feel like you don't believe them to be that excellent of a mafia (alignment.) player. therefore, wouldn't you think the azaa slot to be slightly townier when they note that an andante greenflip would give them a lot of trouble? because i feel like from your perspective it would make a good bit of sense that "how much conflict they're creating is outside of their scumrange" is a valid consideration

have you seriously never seen scum do dumb shit? have you really never seen scum do shit that _looks_ dumb just so that we're having this exact conversation?

and yeah you've dived into this topic before. do you have any games where scum basically buried themselves to this extent?

[Hella Jeff]

can we keep enchant

[Hella Jeff]

Consolidating

isn't it a bit too early to start voting like that

[Hella Jeff]

but i do think T3 needs to claim at some point, it's a good indicator for that
//
1497: thanks

[Hella Jeff]

first, sorry for doing nothing yesterday, was kinda demotivated
second,

if {a50, holiday} have ball haters in them
A tear will be shead

this game is going to have me pull my hair
esp since i can't engage right now

[Hella Jeff]

but i do know that if holiday minimizes april's case like that then yeah it's going to be super hard to save them
i think implicitly refusing to take that path is +town

[Hella Jeff]

VOTE: April

Just so people have my dying thoughts.

what other reads, holiday?

[Hella Jeff]

i think implicitly refusing to take that path is +town

"that path" as in him going through april's posts and explaining why everything with his name on it isn't a good argument to make

[Hella Jeff]

It's just PoE, isn't it?

i think he did end up getting picked due to POE i think i'm just wondering about how they got low in the first place (april cited something about the game-state and how it would be appropriate, i think?)

[Hella Jeff]

no that's me. i already took that slot. made a reservation

[Hella Jeff]

On this day we laid him to rest
Acknowledged that the play's the best
Informed milly and vanilly, not meant to be
I'd love to see you again in my dreams
--
[chorus]
Holiday is town
I am a clown
Singing the moon song
Yet we couldn't get along
--

[Hella Jeff]

holiday who are you
if you don't say then I'll vote you

T3 what the fuck

[Hella Jeff]

gonna miss gamma
--

Why is Holiday scummy? They were semi active during portions of the game,

but they were also being the type of player that wasn't really saying anything unpopular or unfavorable, and when people tried to think of any actual things Holiday had said, nobody was able to remember, which naturally means they were off of people's radars.

bolded feels like case fluff, doesn't exactly seem like a scumtell and i guess you know that with the use of "the type of player that"?
regardless it doesn't feel applicable since when you came across someone who actually had holiday on their radar

because

of their takes and you just said:

oo, the fightback against Holiday makes me feel good about my read.

makes me feel like through your lens, they were damned regardless of how many people liked or remembered what they were saying, which doesn't feel right when it's the bulk of the post

Holiday (5) April Ludgate,

Almost50

, Dwlee99,

Enchant

, T3 [E-2]

but ill note that in this wagon there's exactly 2 people that i townread. super confident in a50, azaa/enchant is up there also even though enchant hasn't done any cool tricks for us
in theory there should be like ZERO doubt that this flips red? because i dont townread either of the PR claimers but both of them could, at face value be telling the truth. esp knowing that one likely solves itself tonight
so that begs the question that from my perspective, who are the scum in this wagon?
(fuck if i know, all of that talk about the flimsiness of d1 reads has me hurting)

[Hella Jeff]

aprilwagon has only like, townreads
i'm feeling some kinda way right now
to the point where i feel like blindly sheeping
but the consequences of my actions......
i don't feel like i've done enough work to be part of aprilwagon right now
why did something interesting have to happen so close to deadline

[Hella Jeff]

@Hella Jeff - idc bout your read on me, but how do you see Dwlee and not town read them? The miller claim is not coming from scumDwlee.

it is really one of those things that i should take at face value?
genuine question

[Hella Jeff]

the case makes more sense to me now. i think holiday's demeanor change is getting harder to ignore
i'm going to weigh what i've picked up earlygame w everything else, probably
night

[Hella Jeff]

Hero solve*: osuka, hella jeff, holiday

beetlejuice'd
surely a scumteam with hella jeff and holiday would acknowledge how horrific april is to our wincon and how badly they get spewed town upon either of our flips
i'd very much be doing more than "but guys,,,, holiday town!"

[Hella Jeff]

Not if you can lim them today

who?
regardless, taking an early stance on either of the votes right now does a lot for me
voting holiday'd be damage control, voting april would remove a large threat (and is favorable)
all i'd have to do is bullshit a little progression

[Hella Jeff]

god damnit enchant you FOOL
now day 2 will start a day before thanksgiving leading to awkward pacing

[Hella Jeff]

I'd like to point out that you haven't been hammered yet, but i wanted to milk it for all it was worth before mentioning it.

thanksgiving is saved
(so is holiday. almost conflated the two)
i have something i wanna dump here but i'd have to get home to show it, if someone hammers before then then i'm gonna mald even more

[Hella Jeff]

Metagaming:
When game information outside of what is available in a game is used to give a player an advantage in-game.

Touche.

the only good post in like, 3 pages and it's a definition from a wiki

i will rid this world of bad takes.............

[Hella Jeff]

Are you trying to be scummy

[Hella Jeff]

this post smells like complete horseshit

i felt like it was better when it was first presented but a noteworthy amount of it was thrown out in the summarization. now it's just being paraded around as "many people think that holiday has been under the radar"

I am strongly against Alice elim as well, it's not position mafia wants to become. Very well, let's think options here for some.

however this was something i was thinking about. does april actually let themselves get "caught" this way? as we saw w the t3 wagon, wagons can diffuse in mere hours and surely this sort of unpredictability is something that april took into account when tunneling

[Hella Jeff]

i have something i wanna dump here but i'd have to get home to show it, if someone hammers before then then i'm gonna mald even more

i was going to post a randomized readslist but decided that my ISO had too much shitposting for me to do soo

Hella Jeff and Andante are the manipulated ones being banked on.

you had me paired with holiday at one point, right? what has changed since then?

oo, the fightback against Holiday makes me feel good about my read.

[Hella Jeff]

i've been wanting to mention this, don't really know why not
T3's 1714 is so ridiculously invasive that i think it raised their chance of being town like twofold
will this matter in the long run? lolprobablynot im gonna NIGHTKILL him

[Hella Jeff]

i will be here at deadline, btw.

[Hella Jeff]

VOTE: April as this has a better chance of hitting scum and i refuse to let Town knock off one of our own.

that's E-1 btw

[Hella Jeff]

why do i have hammer for both candidates, what the hell?

[Hella Jeff]

we can switch spots if that would make you feel more comfortable

i think i deserve being uncomfortable here tbh
but if you think it helps the gamestate to have me 'replaced' with a more decisive player i'm fine with that
gun to head, i'd be voting holiday here. right off the bat i can do a lot more with his flip once night hits, but the push surrounding it has like, not been representative of 12+ days of work. not at all

From what I understand of it, it's literally that they like what I post and I'm a bit more background-y, so I'm top scum. And people dislike that read/pressure around me, so it's a good sign (even though... I think most people townread or lean me to some degree? Not everyone, but more than not do.)

this snippet of a quote has been rolling in my head for a while. and i wonder if the resulting anger from an incorrect assumption is scumleaning

[Hella Jeff]

DELICIOUS.

[Hella Jeff]

hello yes i've been lurking because i'm chilling in history class right now

I am a Simple Doctor. I will protect Norwegian. Norwegian, don’t claim if you are PR or Vanilla, we get a WIFOM game here.

you've reviewed games before, right? what makes those two protective roles unable to coexist? they look like they serve different enough functions

I’ll let him speak, though, sorry. Jeff can tell me he loves me

we're just friends... :0

[Hella Jeff]

Jeff do you lean voting Holiday or April.
Because it doesn’t really matter if i start thinking it’s April if you just hammer Holiday.
Considering it’s 6v5 votes now, i think we should discuss the best option together.

i'm not sure i can think like "it's holiday/april here, going to vote them". i honestly think there's a chance that it's TvT
it's probably just me being super naive though. i think april's claim is fine and i do want to see the fuckery that happens tonight, because i think it's going to be really eventful regardless of the validity of april's claim and their alignment

holiday's caught up on the fact that it's unlikely to exist (and it's like, probably not? it just means that in most games the claimed simple doctor takes two hits to kill of) and the fact that april didn't want to thunderdome T3 today when both were points that flavor addressed
tracer's suffering from that same thing and that slot's finally starting to bother me
is that something that should be used as ammunition against them? i'll think about that
still leaning holiday .. as extremely town as i think they are there's 6 voters and at least 3 of them are town that desperately need to reeval

[Hella Jeff]

i'm going home in about an hour.
when i come i'm gonna cram so much information into my brain

[Hella Jeff]

But if Jeff is voting Holiday then i guess it doesn’t matter too much in the end anyways. So just cross fingers and hope it could be scum?

Just vote April and give Jeff a choice

otherwise Jeff can have the excuse that he had no choice but to vote for Holiday since he couldn't hammer April.

Hm, that’s persuasive.

i'm here

[Hella Jeff]

acknowledging

[Hella Jeff]

are we actually e1ing the simple doctor claim

Holiday is an OMGUSer, Andante is a Sheep, Tracer is scum pushing my wagon, Osuka had a compromise vote, geraint just can't comprehend how people get early day 1's and goes all "what players should play like", and Norwegian was fence sitting trying to get on my wagon without seeming too eager.

hmmmm, about norwee
i think as scum i wouldn't be apologetic/fencesitty when voting you. i'd think this moment would be the most important to open wolf (if i used the phrase right)
if you're town, you're a simple doc and getting you out is incredibly good because by the start of d2 that's 2 PRs gone in 99% of worlds
a 2 for 1 seems really good
like, no fencesitting for me, there's a PR on the chopping block that i need to secure (and in some worlds, 'my buddy's at E-1 and i have no idea what jeff's going to do')

[Hella Jeff]

yeah, um
i can't really vote you at this state

[Hella Jeff]

you're free.
VOTE: Holiday
if i didn't deliver today you're most certainly seeing it tomorrow

[Hella Jeff]

[chorus]
Holiday is town
I am a clown
Singing the moon song
Yet we couldn't get along

[Hella Jeff]

how does VLA work, i just kinda skipped using it but i was absolutely Gone yesterday

[Hella Jeff]

If A50 has millions of fans, i'm one of them. if A50 has 10 fans, i'm one of them. if A50 has no fans, that means i'm not on earth anymore. if the world is against almost fifty, then i'm against the world.

[Hella Jeff]

tracer kill is an enigma unless T3 is fake and decided that their life was not worth april's death
but that's assuming that any other scumteam wouldn't just fuck around with the nightkill because of the fact that a ton of people were looking to see what would happen (i think)

[Hella Jeff]

If t3 is scum he couldn't kill April without scum claiming

yea that's what i said
we be AGREEING with each other.............

[Hella Jeff]

doesn't t3 have a history of claims that don't benefit the game at all as the cool town alignment
i know he did it in a newbie game once
what are the differences between this game, that one newbie game (might link later) and the one where he claimed odd night xxx even night traffic analyst or something like that

[Hella Jeff]

t3, y claim BG and do fuck all with your guaranteed d1 survival

[Hella Jeff]

I already explained that. T3 is basically "dead scum walking". Him not doing anything last night points to him being a Goon. I want to try to hunt for a Scum PR. We have a "Scum Doctor" (as per Enchant's result) and a "Scum Role Cop" (as per Dwlee's claim). The latter is what concerns me more at this point.

why is the doctor that's been detected by enchant's voyeur likely to be scum?

[Hella Jeff]

So either an UNKNOWN SCUM DOCTOR was on T3, or April himself is the SCUM DOCTOR and is lying about having targeted S_S

so it isn't conclusive kk, that's what i was trying to figure out

That ON TOP OF a BG claim on D1. What TOWN Doctor doesn't come out at that point?

one that's able to target the BG and synergize?

[Hella Jeff]

damn i feel ENLIGHTENED now
thanks, excuse my mechanical ignorance

[Hella Jeff]

I can't think of any reason why getting rid of the goon is beneficial when there's a claimed follower... oh wait.

[Hella Jeff]

Yeah, I’m just paranoid, i feel. I’m gonna trust it, and then die before it matters anyways.

T3, Andante with one of Dwlee, Osuka makes sense, and I generally want to believe Dwlee is town, but covering the bases

you sr osuka for not talking? interesting

think you get better results if you ask directly why someone has another person as POE

[Hella Jeff]

No one even takes me seriously so ehhh, anytime I try and do something I get yelled at and it's all "you must be scum for that!!!" so meh

looking wonderful to other townies is not part of your wincon!!
but if that sorta thing is bothering you enough to not ask questions then i can do

something

differently if part of that is my fault
because ngl i have no idea what you're doing this D2 lol

[Hella Jeff]

t3....................

Sure, you are vanilla townie.

Who is mafia?

--
ill probably do my own work tonight, will be back on a PC in a few hours

[Hella Jeff]

hey, has enchant given reads
gut feeling that they arent living to d3

[Hella Jeff]

kinda my only real objection. personally would like a bit of extra time to reread and reeval since turns out i'm staying on mobile till hmm but 2 days is fine,,,

[Hella Jeff]

but how is there a guilty there? the voyeur-follower slot confirmed that he didn't do anything and it wasn't because of a roleblock, and he himself admitted to having fakeclaimed. is that all there is? that doesn't actually make a guilty

nobody has called it out yet(?) but voyeur found a protective on them, and since in very many worlds that doctor would've cced April on d1 (or today ..) it"s likely a scumdoc. i can't think of a situation where a scum!doc hits a town!t3

I'm aware of t3's horrific fakeclaiming habits too but i need an answer to that

[Hella Jeff]

I SAVED TOWN.......... TOWN SAVED.......
SIMPLE DOC SAVED FOR one ONE (1) day.......................................... DAY JUAN
die

[Hella Jeff]

if neither dwlee nor enchant were sniped then best to assume that the rolecop is town?
like there's a very clear course of action that the mafia takes, because they don't seem to have a RB they have to snipe dwlee/enchant ASAP
could someone provide a scenario where killing april --> dwlee/enchant here if rolecop is scum?

pedit: lmao asked already

[Hella Jeff]

Rolecop is likely scum because otherwise I think we have too much town power

check the reviewers
no but seriously you have a point there, that kinda requires a revisit later

[Hella Jeff]

andante's obvtraitor because with t3's flip, we see that he was turned into a fish dish. we can contrast this with holiday's flip, which had the flavor text "sleeping WITH the fishes". if you ctrl+f "fish" in her ISO, she acknowledges that fish are evil and bad, but makes subtle jabs like "most fish don't have significant lines" while jabbing at T3's fluff and "i'm sad that nobody else is paying attention to my fish comments". classic traitor.

[Hella Jeff]

before T3's flip i was like "i don't care what anyone says, they're town"
after, i went and skimmed through everyone's ISO's again and i just went "wtf" when i got to andante
ill need a few days to give you something

[Hella Jeff]

i think a50 and norwee are town. enchant fits up there too. i had a really good reason for believing 100% dwleetown but i forgot it.

i think t3 shading norwee for mistakenly believing that he thought osuka was scum's prob important. GTH it makes osuka scummier

[Hella Jeff]

andante i want to solve ASAP here too but her not being here is waaaaaaah waaaaaaaaah sob sob

[Hella Jeff]

i think t3 shading norwee for mistakenly believing that he thought osuka was scum's prob important. GTH it makes osuka scummier

here's the quote forgot to give it out

You just read like a slot that is white knighting a slot that really hasn’t done enough to deserve it. Hence you’re not being helpful, but an obstacle to progress.

I had the exact opposite reaction
+scum for anti meld

[Hella Jeff]

although... norwee was especially uncharitable to T3 in the early game and dwlee's only logs were revolving around t3 at one point (which might be too odd to be indicative of anything?)

i think i should consider rebuilding my reads 2day

[Hella Jeff]

norwee was especially uncharitable to T3 in the early game

T3 was always scummy.
His claim just bought him time.

there was absolutely a reason that he was brought to E-2 in the first VC but my gut feeling around those times was that you had TMI on his alignment because you were pushing points that didn't really make sense against him
does it hold water right now? probably not hehe, it's probably related to how you solve in general

[Hella Jeff]

me waiting for andante so i can push whatever they say:

[Hella Jeff]

arms are open
i want to give the dog a
Hug

[Hella Jeff]

do you guys believe in spew? would looking at T3's ISO do anything

[Hella Jeff]

if there really is a traitor in the game, she doesnt even know that anyway

wdym lol, mafia has to be informed that a traitor is in the game if applicable

[Hella Jeff]

Is the plan to just claim miller and do nothing else?

Correct!

So like hypothetically speaking, If I was a cop, I should check you yes?

[Hella Jeff]

I don’t think i’m projecting though, my point is that Andante’s arguments so far have been fake and artificial, while Dwlee is just speaking from the heart.

wild, i think both slots have had a few thoughts that feel insincere

[Hella Jeff]

i mean mafia doesn’t know who the traitor is, genius

zzzzzzzzzzzzz

[Hella Jeff]

Jeff/Dwlee needs to go today

GTH, which one would you vote?
bonus points if you do it right now

[Hella Jeff]

yall tr norwee over me? lmao

i mean, i came up with my norwee tr with a very similar base to my holiday tr, using my infinite power i'm gonna will norwee's town alignment into existence if he isn't town alrdy

obviously there's someting i'm not acknowledging if you think you're townier than norwee. what is it?

[Hella Jeff]

oh yeah 2937 and that other funny traitor!andante post is tongue in cheek i don't really care for speculating abt your role or even gunning for your lim right now

[Hella Jeff]

like, does dwlee expect me to TR this? cause I don't lmao and I don't get why Jeff brought it up

what IS everyone's read on me