Mini 2250: Role-A-Pair Mafia (Game Over)

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So if I'm reading this right, to be paired, the other has to reciprocate the pairing, right?

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I like long walks, but my sense of humor kek

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yup both sides have to want to pair!

Good. I got that much ight. Duh. That's why everyone's calling it a dance. Just hit me.

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Orange & Blue early tr.

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Pronouns updated. Check.

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I feel like I'd rather leave a town unpaired because even if delayer is anti-town, I'd rather have it in town's hands. I think a good strategy might be to never use it until 2 scum are dead?

It looks like the delayer has to be used one night after.

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The joke is that I'm an arrow, all I do is point at things.

alt. n instrument used to kill people

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I'm usually not a fan of spontaneous full reads lists but purple's seems in earnest? I like arrow for town. There seems to be friction between the two tho that needs sorted.

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Arrow, are you good with purple's reads?

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I'll put a table of observations so you can get into my perspective.

Observations
Player	Observation
Color Red	Is a nullread to me. 39 feels like genuine concern. I am unsure if this is coming from Town or if it is coming from Mafia though.
Color Orange	Is a townread for me. Reaction in 23 feels genuine and Town. 135 feels like Town.
Color Yellow	Is highest townread for me. Entrance in 20 feels reasonable. Reaction in 21 feels genuine and Town. 110 feels like Town and almost reminiscient of somebody who I admire.
Color Green	Is a townread for me. Entrance in 9 feels like Town trying to start a conversation. Reaction in 11 to me feels like Town.
Color Blue	Is a townread for me. Reaction in 15 of my entrance feels Town to me.
Arrow Shape	Is a townread for me. Arrow's questioning of me in 95 feels like Town trying to solve the game.
Circle Shape	Is a townread for me. See 12. Reaction to my entrance feels natural. 128 feels like Town who is trying to solve the game.
Diamond Shape	Is currently a null read for me. Is doing things which could come frpm Town but I'm finding it hard to read them. See 42 to get what I mean.
Heart Shape	Is a null read for me. Isn't doing anything Alignment Indicative.
Pentagon Shape	34 and 36 seem like a Town reaction towards my entrance. I find 142 something Town could be concerned about.
Star Shape	Is a townread for me. See 92, 99 and 102 for my reasoning behind townreading him. See 141 as aditional reasoning for why Star is Town to me.
Triangle Shape	Posted nothing so far. I'll keep them as a null read until they start posting.

EBWOP

That's a lot of town reads tho

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You actually have to defend your choices.

Can you explain this?

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Is this TMI?

What do you mean by this.

I was talking about 114. I was worried that it would give away that I've never played outside of the Newbie and Normal Queues.

If you're town, you just made yourself a target for pairing by scum.

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Purple is almost too pure. I guess being new explains it.

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Still want to hear from Arrow.

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What benefit do you see in having one of your null reads hold the delay?

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I think this will probably work.

Pair: Purple

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Triangle does care. They broke character to explain the T9 texting. I'm not saying that's scummy, but town reading them for larping is hardly warranted.

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Arrow, how do you vibe with Purple's reads list?

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The first one, as amended.

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Oh, you're asking if I agree with their reads list.

Uh, I basically just like the following people for town: Circle, Orange, Blue, Purple, Me.

That's pretty much it so far.

No not that. I can't remember exactly what it was but it seemed early on you were sussing Purple a bit, and I wanted to get your thoughts on Purple after that was posted.

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ngl I thought briefly that was a s/s interaction.

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409-411

That rundown in 409 at first glance looked like busywork, 410 looked like Circle was enabling it, and 411 looked like a slick follow-up. But re-read 409 and there's more substance to it than I thought, just need to cross out all of the flourishes. That makes 410 look better bc it was a similar thought to mine. And 411 is similar posting style to a lot of your other posts, so consistency won over. I'm not discounting my initial thought though. I want it in my ISO for later in the game if I'm alive.

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I get told I've got a straight-forward posting style, and I try to read for content. So I'm not too worried about it. If you're scum, it will show. I suggest you try not to deviate from your regular style if you are town lest you look unnatural.

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I admit I didn't read every word but I didn't get much out of ORange v Pentagon other than the obvious they're not TvS.

Purple and Blue seem to be I guess hesitant to push people too much. I'm just thinking off the top of my head so no specific posts, but they seem to be apologetic in their approach, and that's a missed opportunity in my opinion. I mean every time someone does that it's like why. Why not continue to push people in order to sort.

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I guess with five unpaird there probably is scum in there, but I'm not sure I have a preference as far as who should get the delay. If scum get it, I don't know if that's a terrible thing when we don't know what the powers even are yet.

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RE Triangle, still null for me. I'm not sure if they're serious about their hero solve or just using it to sort people. I think the Red/Traingle pairing could be volatile though just because others seem to be seeing things in them that I'm really not. Whoever, I think Orange, said something about me simplifying Blue's read on Triangle as larping and thus nai, that's exactly what it is.

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what are your actual reads heart

the only opinions i can seem to find from you is that you think purple and arrow are town

I don't have a whole lot yet. I think this preliminary stage isn't necessarily the best way to locktown or lockscum anyone.

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what are your actual reads heart

the only opinions i can seem to find from you is that you think purple and arrow are town

I don't have a whole lot yet. I think this preliminary stage isn't necessarily the best way to locktown or lockscum anyone.

Best time maybe fits better than best way. Not to say that we shouldn't. My main goal this phase was to find a townie player to pair with and maybe develop some prelinary reads. I don't have a full reads list that's for sure.

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what are your actual reads heart

the only opinions i can seem to find from you is that you think purple and arrow are town

I don't have a whole lot yet. I think this preliminary stage isn't necessarily the best way to locktown or lockscum anyone.

i did not ask you to locktown or lockscum anyone

this seems a curious exaggeration on your part

Take it any way you want. Doesn't make my thinking on this any less valid. I don't know how anyone can have anything but tentative positions until we actually know what's what. Right now people, including myself, are developing reads based on what exactly. We don't even really know what's going on yet.

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To be fair, Triangle remaining unpaired does mean that Pentagon or Star will get delayed based on 245. Diamond is my opinion, the only null read who I'm uncertain about. Red, being a colour, will have to get paired, eventually.

This gets me thinking. Triangle getting left out, at this point, nearly guarantees Red+Pentagon get delayed. Is that something we would ever want?

No. That's another reason why Triangle should get paired.

I forgot I had this tab open. I wanted to ask how a pair gets delayed, when it's just one player.

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I paired with Yellow, so I can't pair with Orange.
Meta arguments in an anon game, how novel. Forgive me if I don't take your word for it.

No one is asking you to, that doesn’t make it any less true. Reaction reads to getting sr in general are really bad metrics and I really don’t understand why anyone thinks they’re ever indicative of anything, so you don’t even need to know my meta to know that’s a very silly basis for alignment reading anyone.

Imagine injecting self-meta and then shading someone for questioning it.

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Forgot about this game.

I assume everyone's paired since we're voting. Why am I the leading wagon, and I guess I need to get the PT pm from the mod.

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Who was left out/

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Oh people are mad because I said not tvs instead of not svs. I meant not obviously not svs. That's pretty clear.

I see a bunch of replace-ins too.

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Forgot about this game.

I assume everyone's paired since we're voting. Why am I the leading wagon, and I guess I need to get the PT pm from the mod.

Ugh, why would you forget about this game with 33 posts in it? It just sounds like a blatant lie.

Why would you even say that.

It's an alt game, and so I don't alt-slip I have it on a browswer I hardly ever use.

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Why would I even lie about that?

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I'm lucky I didn't get replaced I guess.

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That's who wanted it anyway for whatever reason. If Star is town and everyone wants to lim me, should just delay whatever our power is.

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kay yeah bake 'em away, toys.

What is this getting at?

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Forgot about this game.

I assume everyone's paired since we're voting. Why am I the leading wagon, and I guess I need to get the PT pm from the mod.

Ugh, why would you forget about this game with 33 posts in it? It just sounds like a blatant lie.

Why would you even say that.

It's an alt game, and so I don't alt-slip I have it on a browswer I hardly ever use.

Huh.

It's an alt game, but it's fairly active in the subforum... even if you're not on your alt surely you see the names of people posting?

I open my bookmarks and play from there. This isn't in my bookmarks on my main duh.

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Forgot about this game.

I assume everyone's paired since we're voting. Why am I the leading wagon, and I guess I need to get the PT pm from the mod.

We don't get the PT until N1.

Who was left out/

Star

Okay thanks. I thought we would have the PTs after the pairings so that changes what I was doing a bit.

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Forgot about this game.

I assume everyone's paired since we're voting. Why am I the leading wagon, and I guess I need to get the PT pm from the mod.

Ugh, why would you forget about this game with 33 posts in it? It just sounds like a blatant lie.

Why would you even say that.

It's an alt game, and so I don't alt-slip I have it on a browswer I hardly ever use.

Huh.

It's an alt game, but it's fairly active in the subforum... even if you're not on your alt surely you see the names of people posting?

I open my bookmarks and play from there. This isn't in my bookmarks on my main duh.

*Blinks.*

Okay. I... guess that's fair. I didn't know people do that.

Using your bookmarks as your landing page is a lot easier than wading through the rest to find your game.

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Yellow finally came back and is not a rep-in. I've had dreams about mafia, but none that specific.

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Star sounds a lot more townie that their predecessor, but I'm wary of pocket.

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I really didn't want to throw down a bunch of reads yet but ig.

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Okay thanks. I thought we would have the PTs after the pairings so that changes what I was doing a bit.

what were you doing

Like I said before to someone, I wasn't hard reading anyone yet waiting for this phase to be over. This changes that.

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To be fair, Triangle remaining unpaired does mean that Pentagon or Star will get delayed based on 245. Diamond is my opinion, the only null read who I'm uncertain about. Red, being a colour, will have to get paired, eventually.

This gets me thinking. Triangle getting left out, at this point, nearly guarantees Red+Pentagon get delayed. Is that something we would ever want?

No. That's another reason why Triangle should get paired.

I forgot I had this tab open. I wanted to ask how a pair gets delayed, when it's just one player.

Delaying Pentagon will delay the whole pair because Red is a Color and Colors are Modifiers which do nothing without a Power to modify.

EBWOP

I thought that you were saying something else, but now that I look at it it makes sense. The left out shape controls the pair who get delayed.

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So I guess asking Star who they are leaning to delay should figure into this calculus of who to lim

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Unless we no lim, which I'm not a fan of.

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So I guess asking Star who they are leaning to delay should figure into this calculus of who to lim

Why should who Star’s leaning to delay be a factor? Shouldn’t that be a majority consensus? Last I checked, Star wasn’t too keen on Arrow, who I think is town, does that make Arrow a good lim? No obviously.

Exactly. How Star is going to use the slot is necessary information. They can say "oh it's going to be used for townie reasons" and just use it however they want. So I wanna know how they're going to use it. And this seems like a particularly difficult thing without even knowing what the powers are. So we should be getting our act together preferably well ahead of the deadline. So what I'm saying is, yes it should be a majority consensus, but there are a lot of variables at play that we can't really say "Okay if ___ is limmed then delay the ______ & ______ team." I wanna know who is going to be delayed before we flip someone bc we probably aren't going to have much time in twilight to talk about that.

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Another thing this does is prevent Star from going off book. If Star agrees to delay the ____ & _____ team, and that team initiates its power, if the power fails, we know Star likely delayed them.

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Color Red#
Color Orange
Color Yellow*
Color Green#
Color Blue
Color Purple
Arrow Shape
Circle Shape
Diamond Shape
Heart Shape
Pentagon Shape
Star Shape*#
Triangle Shape

Color Yellow-Shape Arrow
Color Red-Shape Pentagon
Color Purple-Shape Heart
Color Blue-Shape Circle
Color Green-Shape Diamond
Color Orange-Triangle Shape
Star Shape

Looking at this I don't think there's a s/s team. At least not one that pops out. With that premise, there could be 3 teams with scum in them or 2 teams with scum and Star is scum. Red & Pentagon and Blue & Circle I think may be most likely, with Red being scum in that pairing and Blue in the other. I didn't like Blue's treatment of Diamond, and I've gotten bad vibes from Red both pre- and post-substitution.

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I don't have any super strong reads rn is the problem, and without knowing what the powers will be, I have a hard time saying one of those two teams should be delayed. And if we lim within a pair, I guess that team is automatically without a power, right? I think that's the way it works. So I'm not sure how to proceed really. Okay that's wrong. I think because it's a factional power, limming within a pair doesn't take away the factional power of the pair. But if Star is limmed, then the delay goes away for the game if I'm reading this right. I don't know if I like Star with that power, but at least we can leash him.

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With that premise, there could be 3 teams with scum in them or 2 teams with scum and Star is scum. Red & Pentagon and Blue & Circle I think may be most likely, with Red being scum in that pairing and Blue in the other. I didn't like Blue's treatment of Diamond, and I've gotten bad vibes from Red both pre- and post-substitution.

I think it's pretty crazy you think I could be scum with Star given the way the previous Star attacked me.

What exactly did I do to Diamond that you think is scummy?

Post 287 doesn't sound like it comes from a genuine place. Although you threw Star in there too, and that one I think is more likely so it could be a foundation for a bus.

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With that premise, there could be 3 teams with scum in them or 2 teams with scum and Star is scum. Red & Pentagon and Blue & Circle I think may be most likely, with Red being scum in that pairing and Blue in the other. I didn't like Blue's treatment of Diamond, and I've gotten bad vibes from Red both pre- and post-substitution.

I think it's pretty crazy you think I could be scum with Star given the way the previous Star attacked me.

What exactly did I do to Diamond that you think is scummy?

And I'm not pairing you with Star necessarily, I'm just operating on a supposition. I'm slightly more confident in your being scum rather than there being just two teams with a scumbo in them.

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Since being unpaired doesn't mean automatic death in this game, I can volunteer to be the lone shape. In this scenario, I'll just keep the Delay holstered so it won't be an issue going forward. I'd prefer to be paired of course, but I think this is the easiest way to deal with this situation and make it a non-issue.

I have Star as null-town, but I think this very first post needs not be forgotten.

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Color Red#
Color Orange
Color Yellow*
Color Green#
Color Blue
Color Purple
Arrow Shape
Circle Shape
Diamond Shape
Heart Shape
Pentagon Shape
Star Shape*#
Triangle Shape

Color Yellow-Shape Arrow
Color Red-Shape Pentagon
Color Purple-Shape Heart
Color Blue-Shape Circle
Color Green-Shape Diamond
Color Orange-Triangle Shape
Star Shape

Looking at this I don't think there's a s/s team. At least not one that pops out. With that premise, there could be 3 teams with scum in them or 2 teams with scum and Star is scum. Red & Pentagon and Blue & Circle I think may be most likely, with Red being scum in that pairing and Blue in the other. I didn't like Blue's treatment of Diamond, and I've gotten bad vibes from Red both pre- and post-substitution.

Still don’t understand this read on Blue, I think they’ve been really townie. Why no further explanation on red read?

Another thing that caught my eye, all of these symbols. I’m going to assume that “#” is possible scumread, “*” is a possible nullread and having both in the case of Star is nullscum?

But Green is never mentioned anywhere before in Heart’s ISO as a scumread and there is no symbol next to blue.

I would like Heart to explain the symbols. Unless they were people that Hert wants eliminated/NKed?

Look at the player list in Post 0. It's just a copy and paste job. I wanted a list of players. Those symbols are prods and replacements.

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If y'all think all I did was come in, make a list and leave, I don't know what you're on about. I've put more work into this game than I planned to.

Also, people need to learn what "perspective slip" means. It's losing its meaning as much as it's been thrown around in this game.

I don't know who the scum is on my wagon, but I'm pretty sure it's not a pure wagon. Flipping me for info may be the best play right now given the time left in the day.

I don't understand why we're not talking about possible powers and the delay and why it's scummy that I am thinking about it. We don't know how much time we're going to have to talk about it. As someone said, it's important that we hold Star accountable. We can do that. I think we should require Star to use the delay on a specific pair. That pair tries to use whatever power they get, and they should get delayed.

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Thinking about it, I think this is the right play.

VOTE: no lim

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I lost where it was but someone asked why I made a plist with prods and dodges marked and not develop reads from it. Umm.. it's because I didn't make the list? It's in post 0. Copy and paste. I thought I had explained this earlier, but apparently that was in my head. I just wanted a plist and pair list to work from.

I'm not backing down from no lim. It's truly the best play. If you don't trust purple to sort me or you think purple is scum, I understand. I've questioned myself about purple a number of times, but I figured I would get a good chance to sort them once we got in a PT. There's a newness coming from purple that feels like a brand new car that no one has eaten any fries in yet. You don't want purple to find a fry underneath the seat. Got it. Or maybe you're afraid of something else. I don't know. If purple is scum and I am scum, then we're just going to lie about whatever. If purple is scum and I'm town, then shame on me, but I'll figure it out. If I'm scum and purple is town, then I would hope that purple would figure that out. If I'm town and purple is town, which is what I'm 90% certain is the case, we can cancel some scum together.

Star is committed to not using the delay. I get a sense that Star is honest with that, but I'd rather put Star to the test to be sure. Trust but verify.

So some of you are going to complain that "he's still not giving reads and that's scummy." But I had a plan coming into this, that plan was kinda thwarted because I didn't read the instruction manual carefully enough. And I think my plan is salvageable by going with no lim. It's the purpose of this game as I understood it anyway. We pair up, with an odd one out, and we sort and maybe work with our partner to sort the game. But that's not what we're doing here today is it.

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The thing which made me think that Heart was Galron was the short, nicely punctuated posts.

Good call. I wasn't lying when I've been told I have that kind of non-flourished style.

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gg all. That was fun even though I fumbled on the rules. I really thought we were going into PTs after the pairings. Green did a terrific job nailing us down.