Newbie 2084: Signs [game over!]

[Cabd]

Hello, old friends and new friends.

[Cabd]

Apparently I walked into a bar, and by bar, I mean a heated back and forth between Hawkie and Prism.

I'm going to set that aside for now and start reading from the start.

[Cabd]

actually there’s another game where people literally accused me several times doing nothing

Still catching up but can cosign this as I moderated it.

[Cabd]

Wild assumption I know.

Is it, though?

Why are you ruling out two folks that just get on each other's wrong sides HARD and then devolve into a bitter slap fight to the death?

[Cabd]

I'll be finishing my catch-up and such this evening after holiday festivities.

[Cabd]

First few pages:

Marci feels extremely off, like she's needing to project confidence to throw off her usual tell of effort=town.
If I had to bet on one player being town for all the marbles, it'd be Cape90.
Mega's eagerness for other slots to show up reads slight >rand town
Ironic that Prism reads marci-town for the same reason i'm sorta reading marci-scum, hah. Prism, you are missing a major jump in scum ability in the Isekai game, where Marci and I were partners and she held her own MUCH better.


Nothing else really stands out as of yet. Onwards!

[Cabd]

Oh hey actually Prism did notice the thing.

But prism lacks having seen the scum discord from that game. JJH was supposedly going to publish it post game but he never did get around to it.

Anyways, continuing.

[Cabd]

I'm aware of the possibility that she got specific feedback to have exactly this kind of start. I don't see a reason to assume that at the moment, especially with the way she leveraged several parts of the intro.

My problem is that this game followed the roadmap I kind of laid out in the scum discord for isekai BUT I acknowledge that the starting board for this game isn't the scary one that Tarot/Isekai contained and following said roadmap may not have been something that even sprung to mind.

[Cabd]

Next few pages:

147 from Cape yeah I'm good binning this as town.
Ah yes, the patented "I am trickier than you think stop reading me for lazy yomi level one reasons" from Prism. Wouldn't be a Prism game without at least one.
I like the effort from Meuh but am hesitant to grant townpoints for effort given the infamous string and corkboard, or titus notebook things.
Aaaaaand both Prism and Meuh talked about this cool, cool.

Oh fuck notes PT tea. :/
And they're correct, it's in the mod's rules set:

~ let me know if you want a private thread to store your thoughts and feedback for the other players. you may draft posts in your notes pt if the posts are clearly meant to be posted in the main thread. you may talk about your notes pt. you may not directly quote from your notes pt, and you may not use it to demonstrate that you've had a town mindset in private all along; just put your town mindset in public to begin with and keep your notes to yourself.

Okay I like the reads wall from Greeting quite a bit and it ~MOSTLY~ matches where I am at the same point in time?

Interesting that marci directs a quesiton at Asu specifically about the reads.


Greeting 254... Yeah okay not sure about the notes vs scum pt thing because in a vacuum without this albatross hanging over everything I'd be townbinning Greeting here.

[Cabd]

Ah hitting the hawkie-prism turbulence now I believe.

Please fasten your seat belts.

OH SHIT he dropped the ffery word (Trajectory)

...This seems to be a fatal clash of playstyles based upon the first page of it. Interesting characterization of Prism as honorable., I'd argue she just likes the have elevated play but will not hesitate to WIM to 11 as ANY alignment, damn the torpedos. Pretty sure she subscribes to the sirlin rule of "If it's within the rules, it's allowed, fuck your feelings on "cheap shots" and such"

I am not randomly or universally spectating games to divine things from scratch for every player in a game.

Yeah what kind of fucking loser would make that his entire onsite persona for years and get a custom title about it forever cementing his too much free time status.

I uh, if this was a gladiate would vote hawkie here in a heartbeat.

Hawkie playing this off as "hilarious reaction lol dude" is uh, not tracking well for me.

Top of 15.

[Cabd]

Every time I read the phrase "yomi layer" I want to vomit onto my monitor.

I suddenly feel the need to invest in barf bucket stocks and then make a posting macro.

[Cabd]

Honestly, I'm kind of paranoid of Cabd scum, which this is only from another person's experience and what they said in another game. Especially when they were scum and flew under the radar for nearly everyone.

Who and where?

I've had standout games as both alignments over the years, but I'd argue prism is actually better than me here.

[Cabd]

I am generally a dirty player who will put pine tar on the figurative baseball without thinking twice, but I do limit my actions somewhat in Newbie games.

Fair enough. I don't think you'd hold back against another SE whatsoever though, but maybe I'm wrong. You know yourself better than I obviously.

[Cabd]

Ah, that game.

It was almost certainly Lukewarm who stated that.

[Cabd]

Can you elaborate on why ProHawk's "hilarious reaction" bit strikes you as scummy? I thought it very natural, which is why I moved so quickly to try and nip it in the bud so I could hopefully get something useful instead. It's his lack of acknowledgement that this is a deeply-ingrained tendency while sticking to his guns on it that is the red flag for me. I don't see an issue with the defensiveness assertion itself.

Dunno how much you know of Hawk and I's history, we come form the same long-dead homesite (Pokegym, RIP non-pokemon archives to make it family friendly) but that used to be a bad habit he had when overwhelmed by a case and having to break it down into bits. Actually we specifically forced ourselves NOT to do that when we hydra'd as scum that one time because it was such a beacon of alignment indication.

In fairness, I don't know if it's true of his recent play, I have not ran a search of any of his recent games so this is like, decade-old memory meta but yeah.

[Cabd]

Ah, now that is useful to know.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=28438 is the game in question. We played as GoodCop_BadCop.

The psot in particular I am rememebring with a faint smile is this one:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 0#p4972490

Subject: Mini 1451: A Memory of Light (Game Over)

Demon, I will let the other head address your question.

Amrun! I looked over it again, and I was in fact... sniffing glue.

Still think your case is/was silly on Ghost for the record. What I really didn't understand was how you got to the conclusion that he was treating Milk as town while saying he wasn't town... until you explained it. You really haven't seen scum sheep?

that there was actually a possibility of you being that stupid

But that is neither here nor there.

Can anyone else confirm if Amrun normally is in rage-mode all the time as town? If no one answers/knows I will go meta myself, just don't have time at the moment.

[Cabd]

I think Cabd not keying into anything other than Cape's post is scum indicative.

:/ I mean I wanted to chime in in the realtime while catching up.

I've got a two year old now so finding time to sit down and do hard work like right now is difficult. (In fact Penguin is covering kiddo time solo right now to give me this opportunity)

I get WHY you think this but also want to asset it's completely NAI if you want I can cite examples as all alignments from the past year of this occuring.

[Cabd]

yes Cape, I did read your post. I am asking you WHY you got to "it must be TvS", or in other words, why did you rule out T-T?

Meuh, you worry me not because of voting me, but because of the issue with townreading everyone else, by definition even if I'm scum one of your reads is completely wrong? Are you trying to do preflip associative pairings? I believe prism went into why that's a VERY bad idea in a standard game.

[Cabd]

Anything else? I've probably only got another ten minutes or so for the evening, but should be able to post from work tomorrow.

Ironic that posting from work is easier than home. Parenthood, it sure is a thing.

[Cabd]

Placement within tier not actually sorted.

Core Town: {Cape}
>Town: {Prism, Meg, Azu}
Would be Core Town without the notes/scum PT bullshit hanigng over the game: Greeting
Disliked: {Marci, Strangematter}
Very disliked: {Prohawk}

p-edit: Please do not eat the baby.

[Cabd]

Prism were you refrencing tweetiegame wrt time sinks, or?

[Cabd]

Oh nice dunk on him in the psotgame.

I admit I had it down as gamma too. Ffery was playing along but had it as yddra. WP by worstie.

[Cabd]

I'm still at work and actually DON'T have much time to post. I'll claim if needed.

[Cabd]

Cool I'm a VT.

Hello and goodbye, friends.

Driving home now.

[Cabd]

Okay so maybe trying edibles the night you make it to Lim minus one wasn't the best of ideas.

AMA

[Cabd]

Guess not. Tough crowd. What's a guy gotta do to get properly read from a catch-up these days anyways?

Hawkie if I was scum I'd just be screaming and throwing a tantrum and uh. A vote. At it.

Like it's refuge in audacity...

About something. I forget. I feel like I explained already so eh.

[Cabd]

Oh right that is be voting hawkie right now.

Prism prolly thinks that's antitown of me but my reads suck so like better me than running up a potential pr? Just bank the first flip being green and pray to the randomness goddess that they do something useful for data tomorrow.

[Cabd]

I mean that's not entirely how I feel but I'm also aware time is tight.

I think maybe I'm not good enough when I fail to spot something from outside the fog of war. A better player could have done that. Instead the universe got me.

Sorry prism. I know you take every game much more seriously than I do and I feel like I've let you down now ;(

[Cabd]

Rough morning but I'm here.

VOTE: hawkie


Just uh do this once I'm dead and flipped since it's almost certainly me today.

[Cabd]

Cabd is a more meta-based player than me

Used to be a more meta player.

That hasn't been the case for the past few years, but I don't think we've overlapped in that time?

[Cabd]

Elaboration on my reads probably would be helpful, yes.

I just... don't have very deep reasons for them, as of now.

[Cabd]

This is an extremely interesting game state, and I hope my death will illuminate things about the way the past few hours have gone down.

[Cabd]

I was indeed vanilla town, by the by.