Open 837: Cop Killer - Endgame

[DArby]

A50 how does it feel to be unvotable today? What a treat it must be

Wym? We can vote A50 if we try hard enough.

VOTE: A50

[DArby]

Oh, hi Galron. Long time no see.

[DArby]

That greeting was pro town.

Here, take a

lean town read

.

[DArby]

Suss that A50 isn't shitposting as much as he should be.

You're approaching LAL territory with this statement. I am the top poster of this game as we speak, and I have yet to say one meaningful word.

He said meaningfully.

[DArby]

O shit Bingle’s in this game too?

Hey!!

[DArby]

Don’t say that. I didn’t fully read the player list and thought I accidentally posted in a game I shouldn’t be in.

[DArby]

Actually, Bingle, why should A50 claim with there being a CPR doc? Shouldn’t the doc only have one person to worry about saving (A50).

Not to mention if it’s so that way we have an idea of who to hold responsible in the event of A50 dying, couldn’t that also be used against us?

[DArby]

“ Welcome!

You are a Compulsive CPR Doctor.

At night you MUST target a player, this will kill that player but if that player is already due to die, you will save them.
If you fail to submit a kill, your target will be randomised.
You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated or nothing can stop this from occurring.

The game thread is here.”

I don’t want to do a proper quote of 0 on mobile.

I knew the role but the first thought I had was incredibly WIFOM. Disregard it.

[DArby]

Actually, Bingle, why should A50 claim with there being a CPR doc? Shouldn’t the doc only have one person to worry about saving (A50).

Not to mention if it’s so that way we have an idea of who to hold responsible in the event of A50 dying, couldn’t that also be used against us?

Not interested in having this discussion at all.

A50 will make the decision or he won't, that's all there is to say on the matter. Further discussion of this is only likely to inform the mafia. If it becomes relevant I can explain the why on day 4 or so or in the post game after I'm dead.

All you have to do is trust in the Bingle meta that I believe there is a protown reason for me to advocate that course of action, regardless of my alignment.

Mmkay

[DArby]

It's RVS, nothing I say right now has any actual meaning beyond seeing reactions

Nah, you and GL have moved right on out of RVS with this little kerfuffle

Do you read it as TvS?

[DArby]

It's RVS, nothing I say right now has any actual meaning beyond seeing reactions

Nah, you and GL have moved right on out of RVS with this little kerfuffle

Do you read it as TvS?

DArby can I get an answer from you on your own question? happy to wait until Pav responds if you're trying to get his take first

At the very least I don’t think it’s scum theater. It’s too soon to say otherwise.

[DArby]

Lmao catching up I was going to vote Roden too but I think that’d be too close to hammer.

[DArby]

Oh wait this game is bigger than I keep thinking it is.

VOTE: Roden

[DArby]

Oh wait this game is bigger than I keep thinking it is.

VOTE: Roden

[DArby]

At the very least I don’t think it’s scum theater. It’s too soon to say otherwise.

the thing that's difficult with multi ball is that scum can authentically scumhunt for the other faction, so even if people aren't S-S aligned, they could be S-S unaligned. Not that that's the case here cause I'm town, but it's going to be hard to make definitive T/S reads on D1

Oh. Hm. Obvious but i didn’t think of that.

Is it clear this is my first multi ball yet?

At the very least I don’t think they’re on the same team.

[DArby]

Also I don’t like 146 from Roden.

“People” are not voting the IC. One person (me) is voting the IC. Conflating an issue bigger than it is under pressure is not a good look.

[DArby]

Also I don’t like 146 from Roden.

“People” are not voting the IC. One person (me) is voting the IC. Conflating an issue bigger than it is under pressure is not a good look.

Thanks for completely missing the point of my post!

I understand the context of it but I don’t think it has anything to do with what I said. I’m open to being corrected, tho.

[DArby]

Also I don’t like 146 from Roden.

“People” are not voting the IC. One person (me) is voting the IC. Conflating an issue bigger than it is under pressure is not a good look.

Thanks for completely missing the point of my post!

I understand the context of it but I don’t think it has anything to do with what I said. I’m open to being corrected, tho.

Maybe that's because what you said had nothing to do with what I said.

…Yes. Which is why I didn’t bring up the context. I brought up something unrelated I did not like that didn’t direct pertain to what you were saying. Does that make more sense?

I also don’t want you to think I have anything against your play style. There’s just a d1 vibe I’m trying to clear.

[DArby]

im pretty sure t3 is talking about guiltylion, seeing as that's who he quoted and that's where his vote is.

I wouldn’t be surprised if T3 mixed GL and LQ.

[DArby]

I'm not reading this argument and I don't think most people are going to read it either.

Votes have been made, so can we put a pin in this and let other people sort this out?

[DArby]

I'm not reading this argument and I don't think most people are going to read it either.

Votes have been made, so can we put a pin in this and let other people sort this out?

You should read it. It makes Roden look quite bad.

It makes both of you come off as petty and being unable to argue on the same page, I think.

I'll read it after the fact but I'm glazing over reading it in real-time.

[DArby]

Or rather, if you think Roden is caught scum, I don't think there's a reason to continue if there's no other engagement from any other slots especially after a few pages of back and forth.

I mean I could just be biased here but this is really not fun to read for me.

[DArby]

Also I'm not saying LQ is guilty by himself here, I just think this conversation has reached it's peak usefulness and LQ is the one who's engaging with me atp.

[DArby]

Whatever. I will chill then. But I'm probably not unvoting Roden any time soon.

Fuckin don't my man. I'm still keeping my vote there too.

But let's look at this from another angle. If Roden is scum, I think the best way to get other people to agree with you is to see how he interacts with other slots in a less heated way. How he's coming across so far is NAI imo and I'd like to see how he engages with others

especially

if he's scum.

[DArby]

Do any of us know what we’re doing?

Have any reads T3?

[DArby]

It doesn't read like a fake dumbtell so I'll townbin DArby for now.

I really need to stop having my town tell be Im too clueless to know what’s going on lol.

[DArby]

Reading more into the argument I don’t think any of that is salvageable info. I don’t think any info will come out of that without a flip and atp I don’t want to flip either slots.

Prolly want to move my vote soon.

[DArby]

VOTE: Galron

Do I detect a certain stiffness and disinterest?

No you detect Galron in his natural habitat

[DArby]

A flip on any player provides more information by the nature of its existence. I’m not itching to lim either one today just to fuck around and find out.

I don’t think I’m being townread for amazingly good reasons either, so take my townreads with a grain of salt.

[DArby]

Basically, yeah. This game I want to focus on who I town read the least {target pending}.

[DArby]

Basically, yeah. This game I want to focus on who I town read the least {target pending}.

Will an announcement be made?

Hopefully.

[DArby]

Similar question to Esther: do you believe that scum!GL wouldn't have posted pro-town content as he did so far?

early game, fair question. to some extent, i cant know, and that's what makes online mafia so difficult. it'd be a very weak towntell if it stopped there.

my one main salient takeaway from the LQ/Roden bit is that both are making dubious claims on one particular front

Roden in 205 asks LQ if LQ thinks Roden "purposefully puts himself in this situation as scum". Again I think Roden is questionably taking credit for something that I feel I'm responsible for (early wagon/pressure on Roden). The logic of "why would I get wagoned as scum" isn't easy to understand from either a town/scum perspective, it's not clear what Roden specifically thinks that he did to get himself wagoned and whether that was intentional. However I have seen both alignments make the "I wouldn't be wagoned if I were scum here" claim, it's not something I feel comfortable reasoning about as AI but I certainly don't townread it, at best it's WIFOMy.

However, Roden has a point in 209 that LQ agreeing that scum!Roden might indeed intentionally "put himself in this situation" is also a bad take. Scum do not love early scrutiny, in almost any circumstance. I don't see LQ's logic in implying that this COULD be a scum plan - again, how and where did Roden even intentionally invite pressure on himself? Whatever Roden's alignment is, I'm sure he'd rather not be voted and rather not have to argue with people voting him.

I can see what LQ is saying in that LQ just kinda went along with an idea (being intentionally wagoned) that Roden put out there, but it's just such bad reasoning on both sides ("if I were scum, I wouldn't be wagoned") ("no, if you were scum, this might be your plan!!") that I'm having a hard time parsing why either player is taking any of the logic seriously.

posts like this are the ones that have me going "scum dont have to do this and im really not sure they want to". the evidence in-thread is that nobody wants to make these posts! it pings town over scum to me because i think it disproportionately benefits scum to leave those pages as much a black hole as possible. clarifying the general thrust of the argument and giving interpretations seems to be hurt the mafia's, idk, "abstract wincon" (a low-information gamestate) way beyond any towncred it might be worth; it would cost literally nothing to just, refuse to make any attempt.

Town lean post.

[DArby]

If I don’t understand something, I'll ask.

sure, but it feels like you're trying to drag Pav into a debate about claims that he didn't make or arguments that aren't important. From my impression of his original 440, all Pav was saying was that if he were to

know

that I am town, he would then think that Bingle's shade on me might indicate Bingle scum. However, as soon as you say something like that it can poison the well for NKA (a non-Bingle scum team might shoot me in an attempt to make Bingle look bad), so he wanted to clarify that he doesn't also think me being NK'd would

further

make him suspect Bingle. This is also basically exactly what he then clarified in 457 and 462.

You're trying now to get him to talk about what he thinks scum!Bingle would or wouldn't do, which I don't see as all that meaningful or useful. No one has been killed yet, it doesn't develop nor change my understanding of his original posts, and it isn't something that Pav would have different reasoning about whether he's town or scum. Hence, I don't understand how the line of questioning actually helps you sort Pav, it feels like busywork at best and at worst potentially trying to stir up "issues" with Pav that you can then use to push him.

Why are people sring this slot again?

[DArby]

I'm still waiting on Roden, D'Arby, Galron, Enchant & T3 to submit their lists

Oh hi. Sorry, just finished moving. Gimme a sec.

[DArby]

I really dislike GLs auro takes, btw. It reads like gl is calling auro scummy for being paranoid, which is p much the exact opposite of what someone being paranoid usually indicates.

Bings, could you please reword this?

[DArby]

GL, what is your read on Salsa atp?

I think Salsas been real scummy and I have no issues with the wagon. I mainly haven't moved my vote because I didn't want to defuse my pressure on Roden, but seems like I scared him away from the game lol

I don't think I've been too forgiving? Who have I mistakenly forgiven in your eyes?

Are you planning on killing your SRs with kindness or something? You're SRing both Roden and Salsa and seem to be very gentle with both of them.

That's why I asked if you ever are aggressive as Town. Which you didn't answer. And why are you not SRing someone who is giving a bogus meta read on you if you're not aggressive as Town?

P-Edit. Okay, so then my question still stands in why you are just acting flowery with your SRs. Does not make sense. Are these just tentative SRs or what?

Gut read there’s one scum between these two.

I’d be inclined to say it’s LQ.

[DArby]

P-Edit. Okay, so then my question still stands in why you are just acting flowery with your SRs. Does not make sense. Are these just tentative SRs or what?

I don't think I've been especially flowery? Like where do you see me doing that, specifically? I went in hard on Roden, he bailed, and Salsa has had enough attention that I haven't needed to push it myself. I'm satisfied with the gamestate currently, I don't need to do anything at the moment other than poke at peripheral slots like Auro

These posts right here:

This is over aggro. Sort of feels fake.

being fair to Roden, I basically challenged him in my last post to go at me, so I'm not surprised to see him bite back. What I'd like to actually hear from him though is why he thinks my behavior is more likely to come from me as scum than me as town, because that's what's missing

If I don’t understand something, I'll ask.

sure, but it feels like you're trying to drag Pav into a debate about claims that he didn't make or arguments that aren't important. From my impression of his original 440, all Pav was saying was that if he were to

know

that I am town, he would then think that Bingle's shade on me might indicate Bingle scum. However, as soon as you say something like that it can poison the well for NKA (a non-Bingle scum team might shoot me in an attempt to make Bingle look bad), so he wanted to clarify that he doesn't also think me being NK'd would

further

make him suspect Bingle. This is also basically exactly what he then clarified in 457 and 462.

You're trying now to get him to talk about what he thinks scum!Bingle would or wouldn't do, which I don't see as all that meaningful or useful. No one has been killed yet, it doesn't develop nor change my understanding of his original posts, and it isn't something that Pav would have different reasoning about whether he's town or scum. Hence, I don't understand how the line of questioning actually helps you sort Pav, it feels like busywork at best and at worst potentially trying to stir up "issues" with Pav that you can then use to push him.

In the first, you are giving Roden a pass. In the second, you are basically treating Salsa with kid gloves.

Like unless LQ is going off of meta (which would change the vibes), wasn’t this along the same vein of your tring me in our last completed game together? @LQ

[DArby]

I disagree with your assessment of both those posts, but I appreciate you referencing them. The first one in particular is definitely not a pass, I'm explicitly challenging him to explain why he thinks my play comes from me as scum

Lmao and he does GL does the exact same thing LQ scum reads him for in the response.

At the least I disagree with LQs assessment. At the most this is sitting as my 3rd highest SR rn.

[DArby]

You're trying now to get him to talk about what he thinks scum!Bingle would or wouldn't do, which I don't see as all that meaningful or useful.

I asked because I want to know the thought process behind their comment which is creating WIFOM.

My questions are usually based on what I don't understand, others perfectly understand it or not isn’t my concern.

This is the perfect example of the kind of weird I expect from Scum!Salsa.

For example, Salsa voted someone multiple times without actually voting someone else in the game I played with them where they were Scum. So this sort of counting posts to get to page top is right in line with the same kind of weirdness IMO.

Weirdness is NAI for me.

22

23

24

25

Let's stop this please

Ok boss

Also I'm voting

Roden

iirr

@Mod

So you did see at as signaling. GOOD. Now ACT upon it.

Okay.

VOTE: Salsa

LOL!

the salsabil post where she acknowledges she's not scum hunting, lmao.

I'm struggling in this game tbh.

GL, what is your read on Salsa atp?

I think Salsas been real scummy and I have no issues with the wagon. I mainly haven't moved my vote because I didn't want to defuse my pressure on Roden, but seems like I scared him away from the game lol

I don't think I've been too forgiving? Who have I mistakenly forgiven in your eyes?

But the wagon shifts on me, so your one vote won't give that much of pressure on scum!

Roden

wagon.

GL, what is your read on Salsa atp?

I think Salsas been real scummy and I have no issues with the wagon. I mainly haven't moved my vote because I didn't want to defuse my pressure on Roden, but seems like I scared him away from the game lol

I don't think I've been too forgiving? Who have I mistakenly forgiven in your eyes?

Are you planning on killing your SRs with kindness or something? You're SRing both Roden and Salsa and seem to be very gentle with both of them.

That's why I asked if you ever are aggressive as Town. Which you didn't answer. And why are you not SRing someone who is giving a bogus meta read on you if you're not aggressive as Town?

P-Edit. Okay, so then my question still stands in why you are just acting flowery with your SRs. Does not make sense. Are these just tentative SRs or what?

If

GL

is scumreading me but not voting me

is an issue here, you also don't vote me yet but keep expressing multiple times or showing prove that I'm scum here and voting

Roden

instead...

UNVOTE: Roden

VOTE: LQ

Hot take this is town.

VOTE: LQ

[DArby]

I feel bored, so I may decide to actually play this game seriously. (Sorry for those this may disappoint)

OK..

First "Dictatorian" Declaration:

I; King of thread and ruler of both Town & Mafia alike; have decided in all my mighty grace to

request

order all of my subjects and minions to each provide a 3-players list of their top TRs (NOT including self).

- You have 24 hours to comply.
- Once submitted you cannot alter your choices.

My liege, I bestow upon you my top three town reads:

1) MC
2) Enchant
3) Salsa

[DArby]

Spoiler:

What if both

Roden

and

LQ

are scums but not from same factions where scum!

Roden

wants to eliminate town first but scum!

LQ

targets other scum faction first!

I'm so talented

GL

seems town, also like

Bingle

(mostly based on vibes).

Hello hello old friends and new

VOTE: Roden

Didn't like his first post, I think using a past game to justify RVS vote is inherently a lil awkward

Also I like Galron for town

The structure of this first post: [vote, justification, townread] comes off as scummy to me

Why? Seems fine to me...

113

gets a

hmm

...

Also like

Pav

for 126, strike to me as genuine.

OH! I've just realized my new title has been implemented. I don't know how long it's been there but I didn't see it until NOW!

Townie post

How so?

Awkward post

Does that make it any more townie or scummy in your eyes? The implication would be that it's scummy, but here you then go voting a player that hasn't posted yet instead of a player attracting votes. Not a very satisfying reply

Because I only have one vote.

Makes me feel like Roden wanted to discredit my vote as non-confrontationally as possible

Ok, good to know we've never played before then.

VOTE: GuiltyLion

This is over aggro. Sort of feels fake.

But you didn’t put your vote instantly here which I expect from town you (kind of ig) but instead you waited (for something?) and then vote later.

UNVOTE: DArby

VOTE: LQ

you randomly moved your vote to a lurker after expressing interest in a wagon that you [apparently?] dont actually feel good about.

Not confident about voting

Roden

yet.

I didn’t see

Enchant

lurks this much.

yes, but what does "not confident about voting roden yet" actually mean? youve talked a little about why you dont want to vote roden (apparently you think me and enchant are better votes, apparently youre kinda sus of the people on the wagon in general). but why *do* you want to vote roden, what dont you like about their posting, which players do you think have reasonable cases against him? are you waiting on roden to defend himself, are you waiting on lickety to come out as more obviously townsided, what's going on with this "oh i kinda want to maybe" posting?

Why are you so hyper??

Roden

vs

GL

or

Roden

vs

LQ

seems off but in what way I'm not fully understanding yet (especially when

Roden

kept saying

LQ you're ignoring *the point* which you know what

but

LQ

kept saying they doesn’t is very???). So, I'm taking my time here.

Do you think you do something townie enough so I shouldn’t vote you?

Enchant

's lurking doesn’t feel townie because of meta reason, thus vote them.

VOTE: salsa
Salsa feels EXTREMELY different to how I remember town her.
There’s less emotion and content.

you randomly moved your vote to a lurker after expressing interest in a wagon that you [apparently?] dont actually feel good about.

VOTE: salsa

Rolled scum?

Hi why is me forgetting who I voted scummy

Forgets between *some minutes*? I don’t think so... Your eagerness of voting me is scummy.

You said

Roden

wasn't verge of the elimination but they're at E-3 that time and we have 4 scums.

I’m not going to do every post I like but I’ll do these and the last one I quoted. I don’t agree with the logic most of the time but it all feels tonally consistent. She’s not jumping on different ships, and her reads develop over time. I can disagree with play and still think they’re town.

[DArby]

I’ll also need time to develop my thoughts but LQ vs Roden, LQ va GL, and LQ vs Salsa don’t feel genuine collectively from LQ.

[DArby]

Gut read there’s one scum between these two.

I’d be inclined to say it’s LQ.

What is this based on? Why do you think there is one Scum between us?

P-Edit. Okay, so then my question still stands in why you are just acting flowery with your SRs. Does not make sense. Are these just tentative SRs or what?

I don't think I've been especially flowery? Like where do you see me doing that, specifically? I went in hard on Roden, he bailed, and Salsa has had enough attention that I haven't needed to push it myself. I'm satisfied with the gamestate currently, I don't need to do anything at the moment other than poke at peripheral slots like Auro

These posts right here:

Like unless LQ is going off of meta (which would change the vibes),

Honestly, I'm just pushing things and seeing what comes out. My understanding of GL is that he's usually not very aggressive, but what throws a monkey wrench into the mix is that GL says he does get aggressive with his SRs if he's sure about them and GL isn't saying how serious his SRs are on Salsa/Roden.

wasn’t this along the same vein of your tring me in our last completed game together? @LQ

I have no idea what you are talking about here.

oh jeez this is quoted weird so I'll respond the best I can and I will come back if I missed something. But the thought is that In the arsonist game we were in that just ended the other day, it felt like you were townreading me with my interactions with Pan/Koba where I had a similar vibe to what I'm getting from GL, who you were scumreading.

[DArby]

it felt like you were townreading me with my interactions with Pan/Koba where I had a similar vibe to what I'm getting from GL, who you were scumreading.

Uh, no? Not at all. No idea how you drew that conclusion.

My standard way of reading people is based on play. I don't do a lot of tone reads or RT or anything like that (with an exception here and there). Mostly I try and look at people's reasoning and try and tell if it comes from Town or Scum. I have some experimental read type stuff (like the TvS read from last game [that was wrong]) but I generally just play it straight.

Hm. I’ll think on this then.

[DArby]

What are you trying to achieve

Miselimination... duuh!

lol

VOTE: Salsa

[DArby]

I’m really sorry Bings but pushing for your own lim really itches my hammer finger.

[DArby]

Sub-Zero team targeted same target as Doc. That's all.

Let's kill someone.

Let's think about how funny Salsa died.

Roden of course town who put Salsa on E-1, but i think Datsy hammer is bad explained afterwards.

SO yeah i want murder Datsy for now.

VOTE: LQ

?

[DArby]

Spoiler:

VC 1.09

Galron (0)-

Enchant (1)-

Auro

Pavowski (0)-

Almost50 (0)-

Roden (3)-

GuiltyLion, LicketyQuickety, Auro

Bingle (0)-

LicketyQuickety (1)-

Salsabil Faria

GuiltyLion (0)-

Salsabil Faria (7)-

T3, mc esther, Pavowski, Almost50, Galron, Roden, DArby

-ELIMINATED

DArby (0)-

Auro (0)-

mc esther (0)-

T3 (0)-

Not Voting (1)-

Galron

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to eliminate.

Deadline is in

(expired on 2021-12-07 10:00:00)

- Dec 7th 10:00 GMT

VC 1.07

Galron (0)-

Enchant (1)-

Salsabil Faria

Pavowski (0)-

Almost50 (0)-

Roden (4)-

GuiltyLion, LicketyQuickety, DArby, Auro

Bingle (0)-

LicketyQuickety (1)-

Roden

GuiltyLion (0)-

Salsabil Faria (5)-

T3, mc esther, Pavowski, Bingle, Almost50,

DArby (1)-

Enchant

Auro (0)-

mc esther (0)-

T3 (0)-

Not Voting (2)-

Galron,

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to eliminate.

Deadline is in

(expired on 2021-12-07 10:00:00)

- Dec 7th 10:00 GMT

VC 1.08

Galron (0)-

Enchant (0)-

Pavowski (0)-

Almost50 (0)-

Roden (3)-

GuiltyLion, LicketyQuickety, Auro

Bingle (0)-

LicketyQuickety (3)-

Roden, Salsabil Faria, DArby

GuiltyLion (0)-

Salsabil Faria (5)-

T3, mc esther, Pavowski, Almost50, Galron

(E-2)

DArby (1)-

Enchant

Auro (0)-

mc esther (0)-

T3 (0)-

Not Voting (1)-

Galron

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to eliminate.

Deadline is in

(expired on 2021-12-07 10:00:00)

- Dec 7th 10:00 GMT

Roden salsa TvT makes me feel better about Darby. No reason for scum to lend weight to a new wagon when there’s dueling wagons on not your team.

Was anyone cheerleading the roden salsa fight?

I’m a little slow. Could you please reword this?

[DArby]

He quotted different message not ths one.

Him not quoting Salsa talking about self hammering with several people discussing hammering doesn't make it so Salsa wasn't talking about self hammering with several people discussing hammering.

I think it was pretty obvious what D'Arbolical was referencing when he said "pushing for your own lim gives me an itchy trigger finger".

It was the link to the video that put me over the edge. As you, Bings, said I assumed that I didn’t need to quote the context.

[DArby]

I’m a little slow. Could you please reword this?

moist ceouightanly. (Intended to be most certainly read with a bugs bunny accent)

There were wagons on Roden and Salsa. We know that neither Roden nor Salsa is your buddy, so scum you doesn't have any skin in the game and either of those going through is fine. Roden and Salsa tried to start a CW together on LQ and you joined that. If LQ is scum, you're probably not scum with him because why would you jump ship to join a wagon on a buddy that may derail the free mislims on Not-A-Buddy. If LQ isn't your buddy, why do you jump ship from a town wagon on Roden to join a wagon Roden is pushing along with the other biggest suspect? I'm not a rocket surgeon, but that doesn't seem like the kind of thing scum thinks they get towncred from and you had no reason not to just stay the course at the time.

Not a "Oh shit this is never scum", but enough of a reason to think you're town that you're not in my murderbasket.

Oh okay thanks. That made more sense.

[DArby]

VOTE: Enchant

[DArby]

Auro, join me on T3?

Why T3 over Enchant?

[DArby]

Ig just meta feels more sound with T3 than Enchant.

T3 is complaining about the same things he typically does but Enchant feels slightly different. It feels like Enchant is more try-hard in a more forceful way.

Tho take my meta reads with a grain of salt.

[DArby]

What are you trying to achieve

Miselimination... duuh!

lol

VOTE: Salsa

This also sorta feels like Darby is trying to ride out their Town cred knowing they won't get any Sus from the hammer. Like, when someone claims their about to be mislimmed and your reaction to that is to LOL!hammer them it kinda leave a lot of WIFOM in the air.

A) Yeah, i was taking advantage of my town cred and

B) The post wasn’t in and of itself why I hammered.

[DArby]

So either everyone targeted A50 or only Team Fire did

and somebody else got doc's and frozen

, right?

Seems more likely monkey got tripled up

I don't think this can have a drawback for asking publicly given how obvious a question it is, so:

@mod: Are death flavors indicative of who made the kill? If they are, what are the specific flavors for a Fire Kill, an Ice Kill, a Doc Kill, and an all three kill?

NM should be able (have to actually) answer that because this is an open.

Yes death flavours are indicative. Ice Mafia is

Frozen

, Fire Mafia is

Incinerated

and a CPR Doc kill is

Shocked

. If all three were to target a player, the fire and ice mafia kills would cancel out and the CPR Doc would kill the player. I will add this to the rules section.

Pav - how did you know the Ice Team's flavor was "frozen" specifically? I don't recall seeing that anywhere prior to N_M editing the posts.

Tbf I kinda pieced that together myself.

[DArby]

Does that strike you as a crazy leap in logic?

If the fire team kill was "incinerated", what would you expect the ice team kill to read as?

Mildly refrigerated?

Hahahahaha

[DArby]

VC 2.01

Galron (0)-

Enchant (2)-

mc esther, DArby

Pavowski (0)-

Roden (0)-

Bingle (0)-

LicketyQuickety (2)-

Roden, Enchant

GuiltyLion (0)-

DArby (0)-

Auro (0)-

mc esther (0)-

T3 (4)-

Bingle, Galron, LicketyQuickety, Auro

(E-2)

Not Voting (3)-

Pavowski, GuiltyLion, T3

With

11

alive, it takes

6

to instantly eliminate.

Deadline is in

(expired on 2021-12-14 19:00:00)

- Dec 14th 19:00 GMT

I'd appreciate it if I Wasn't Hammered
esp because i've been gone for the entire day and most of yesterday

That's normal for you, though?

[DArby]

This is bizarre behavior

All you have to know is that Town don't sheep me.

Technically not true. I sheeped you mildly til ELo in our last game and we won.

[DArby]

So either everyone targeted A50 or only Team Fire did

and somebody else got doc's and frozen

, right?

Seems more likely monkey got tripled up

I don't think this can have a drawback for asking publicly given how obvious a question it is, so:

@mod: Are death flavors indicative of who made the kill? If they are, what are the specific flavors for a Fire Kill, an Ice Kill, a Doc Kill, and an all three kill?

NM should be able (have to actually) answer that because this is an open.

Yes death flavours are indicative. Ice Mafia is

Frozen

, Fire Mafia is

Incinerated

and a CPR Doc kill is

Shocked

. If all three were to target a player, the fire and ice mafia kills would cancel out and the CPR Doc would kill the player. I will add this to the rules section.

Pav - how did you know the Ice Team's flavor was "frozen" specifically? I don't recall seeing that anywhere prior to N_M editing the posts.

Tbf I kinda pieced that together myself.

I don't think it's unreasonable for anyone to figure that out tbh.

What do you think of Pav's reaction?

Inclined to say town. Willing to change but have a POE I'd like to get through first.

[DArby]

VC 2.01

Galron (0)-

Enchant (2)-

mc esther, DArby

Pavowski (0)-

Roden (0)-

Bingle (0)-

LicketyQuickety (2)-

Roden, Enchant

GuiltyLion (0)-

DArby (0)-

Auro (0)-

mc esther (0)-

T3 (4)-

Bingle, Galron, LicketyQuickety, Auro

(E-2)

Not Voting (3)-

Pavowski, GuiltyLion, T3

With

11

alive, it takes

6

to instantly eliminate.

Deadline is in

(expired on 2021-12-14 19:00:00)

- Dec 14th 19:00 GMT

I'd appreciate it if I Wasn't Hammered
esp because i've been gone for the entire day and most of yesterday

That's normal for you, though?

?

In the games I've played with you (completed), you've been gone for long periods of time in almost all those games. I think that's a weird thing to say because a) I don't think you were threatened to be hammered and b) you're using your playstyle as a defense to avoid getting said "hammer". It feels like you're coming across as annoyed for something normal and not threatening.

The comment was a literal responce to "i've been gone for the entire day and most of yesterday".

[DArby]

Lmao a silent hammer.

RIP Bings. :/

[DArby]

I could see Bings being the partner.

[DArby]

I agree on Looker looking like the most likely LQ partner.

If Looker claims to be Ice Mafia I'd reconsider voting them.

What’s your argument against this slot?

[DArby]

Oh the salsa post is also very scummy.

Regardless of whether roden/LQ is t/s t/t s/s or m/w,

there’s definitely scum in the cheerleaders. Other potential takers on that pool are T3 and pav from what I’ve seen so far.

LQ is being surprisingly readable/reasonable given the amount of complaining I saw while p dodging. Light townread there. Roden is meh. Not really scummy, but reacted poorly to baiting. Not really towny either, just kinda got pushed into this whole interaction.

Darby is pro town. Mc is either town or trying to pocket Darby. Need to poke there a bit later to see what falls out of the tree.

I wanna vote this slot.

[DArby]

Uh random idea, I think we can technically stop twilight coordination for the night kills if Looker is wrong. If everyone claims scum and a random NK target, the real scum teams won't know who's actually scum and town. Basically to try to drown out coordination with WIFOM on who's true claiming scum and who's gambitting as town, to try to get scum to accidentally target each other or target the same slot to cancel the kill. Idk, it's a weird idea but it's better than hoping we can hammer and get an immediate thread lock from NM.

Does anyone think this is a bad idea?

No I’m radio rebel.

I like the idea and also voting for booker. I’ve said it before and don’t really have anything to add because looking for ice scum is a bit shot in the dark.

[DArby]

Like, the game is at an annoying impasse where we only have a real option.

But Looker looks like a really good lim independent of that.

[DArby]

Looker’s at e-2 right?

[DArby]

VOTE: Looker

[DArby]

Darby help

Brain has been dummy fried lately but I’ll at least finish this game. Lemme try and read real quick.

[DArby]

wait, don't we lose if we lim scum?

VOTE: DArby

I am town. This is the only potential way to save town. If I am taken out. Town still has a chance if ice and fire takes each other out.

[DArby]

As in its fire ice and town left.

Ice and fire has one kill each. If they take each other out, then town wins. Only one town left. There’s no point in me trying to hunt for the other town if I know I am town and can be taken out.

[DArby]

I won’t speak further on the issue to help towns win rate.

Please vote me, and I mean this in the most genuine way for town victory.

[DArby]

Well damn this isn’t how I expected this to go. Guess the game is up to me now fuck.

[DArby]

Mc must have taken my mech play to heart? Didn’t kill because they thought voting no lim would be obvious scum behavior. I think im only alive because both thought the other would kill me.

Im leaning T3 here it makes the most sense.

[DArby]

Darby T3 just handed us the game. How the hell did MC not kill? WTF is happening here

I imagine it was because WIFOM. I assume she assumed ice would kill me instead and risk not accidentally taking out both scum and handing a town victory. I hate having this pressure tho. If you end up being scum I have thrown away a formerly unlikely town victory that is now 50/50. Let me think on it a little while longer.

[DArby]

Darby T3 just handed us the game. How the hell did MC not kill? WTF is happening here

I imagine it was because WIFOM. I assume she assumed ice would kill me instead and risk not accidentally taking out both scum and handing a town victory. I hate having this pressure tho. If you end up being scum I have thrown away a formerly unlikely town victory that is now 50/50. Let me think on it a little while longer.

Bro if you're scum here over t3 I'm deleting my account and never playing again

....ok maybe not but still

Brain dummy fried. I literally missed all of that yeah it’s prolly T3.

[DArby]

VOTE: T3

[DArby]

Damn I genuinely didn’t expect to reach win condition. Gg all.

[DArby]

the no-kill was explained here. t3 was obviously trying a misguided solo, so i told him exactly why he couldnt do that. he did it anyway. ngl im a little mad lol, but i misplayed the previous day so i probably shouldnt be.

t3 im not shooting tonight, you can shoot me if you want but you'll lose

@t3

i wish we could just do this the easy "you shoot darby i'll shoot pav" way but you made it pretty clear last night that youre not interested in co-operation lol. i'll no-kill, you shoot whichever townie want, and tomorrow we can either eliminate the remaining townie together for the jointwin. or if you really want, you can vote me tomorrow and gamble on the remaining townie kingmaking you (but i dont really get why you'd do this, the role pm says the jointwin is a win).

Not gonna lie, I was too gobsmacked the game was still alive to go back and find that post, lol

I’m halfway surprised there was a town win anyway because I missed all of this too lol.

[DArby]

im not sure if mafia should be allowed to joint. both because i think they could pretty easily trivialize the game with long-term jointwin plans, but also because im not a fan of wincons that dont necessarily match how the players feel about them (like, some players view solo as a "greater" victory while others are more "role pm says win, a win is a win").

I agree with this. Take out joint win but I’d prefer there be flavor.

[DArby]

Anyway this’ll be my last game for a bit in my short time of the site. I’ve been having serious trouble focusing on anything in general never mind something of this caliber. I really enjoy these games so I hope to see all of you at some point in the future when brain machine isn’t broke lol.