Holiday Dance Party ---- Game Over

[marcistar]

hey beautiful ladies


fr tho can i ask questions im a bit confused abt the setup

[marcistar]

Do we know if scum have daytalk?

i think so? my role dm said to confirm by saying 4 maf have daychat lol

[marcistar]

how do we dance with people even-

[marcistar]

Just ftr

Every difficult endgame I've ever seen town have has been a result of bad leaves

So don't leave unless you're going to be flipped anyways

Ty

i think thats prob a good idea
we should all talk abt it before someone leaves : D

[marcistar]

I feel good vibes from Datisi. I dunno if I'd want to accept a proposal from marcistar, her posts were meh

datisi gives me good vibes as well tbh, so said i cant dance with him : (

not to be mean, but i dont wanna propose to u anyways ahaha.. like ur fun and nice but sometimes u give me headaches cuz im too dumb to understand some things u say.

theres somebody who i actually have on my mind for who i wanna propose to, its hard not to just go hard with buddying her since shes my irl friend.. that might be a bit why my posts are meh cuz im mainly just waiting for her

[marcistar]

i also like prism a tiny bit i think

[marcistar]

i also like prism a tiny bit i think

hot take i have opposite opinion

really? do u mind if i ask why-

i liked her cuz i thought having the scums kill on her mind already was a pretty townie thing.

[marcistar]

i could see andante being scum, she seems a bit nervous and over playing

[marcistar]

I am not scum here. It's a mix of real life stuff/the fact 3 people are all "yeah andante scum" like, whatever. me as scum? nervous and over playing? please.

im not sure if i like this response tbh,

what do u think of what datisis said?

[marcistar]

NVM, I find both marci and guiltylion suspicious now.

why is marci back to scumreads for you?

193 was a rather generic sounding read adding suspicion to a person who was a popular target.

im sorry idont have many other opinions rn

[marcistar]

speaking of scum have big incentive to partner with scum.
LLD said she wanted to. And bearing with the flame i will get for saying it.
I don't want her paired with Taly at all.

i wouldnt mind if lld x taly was a thing, but i think lld is a strong town player and if scum chooses to kill that pair it would be kinda sad

it feels somewhat natural for me to go from "wow, i have so many scumreads in the gentlemen" to "haha, wouldn't be surprised if all scum are in there".

eh, this is the disconnect. That latter thought is Always Wrong, you should be Extremely Surprised if all scum are in there, even if you have like an absurd amount of confidence in your reads

i like datisis side of this argument, it seems reasonable to think that way.

[marcistar]

RH9 is significantly more reticent than I would expect from him as town. Normally he's very expressive and inquisitive, even if indecisive and prone to discursive tangents.

I'm not sure if I'll be back tonight or not, but I can check in again tomorrow at the latest.

i don't know rh9 well since i've never played with him before, but i enjoyed his posts so far and i dont think any of them seem off.

Here's why.

Cabd is very good in a PT, Taly mostly uses them. So town Cabd will rock out for a day do some work and die..
Scum Cabd on the other hand is locked into a terrible postion and will need to make another member of his team actually good enough to carry.

Which... Maybe is possible maybe isn't.

But I see win-win here

i think this is a decent idea if talys confident in being able to read cabd.

[marcistar]

Angielilly I guess

if taly wants lily thats fine but i wanted to be with her ahaha

but i enjoyed his posts so far

"enjoy" is a really weird word here for me

no malice towards RH9 meant but I don't see anything in his ISO that brings me joy

thats a weird thing to be picky about lol

[marcistar]

Marci, if you want to pair with me for the sake of learning experience, I'm willing to accept that offer, but I will warn you.

I'm a quick trigger and if I get the sense you're even remotely scum I'll pull it and remove myself without hesitation. So if you have plans to live long and prosper in this game, you may not want me.

i dont care abt living long, i wouldnt mind pairing with u ( :

do u think lily would be mad if i ditched her..? im so scared she'll be the one without the pair

[marcistar]

azround if ppl want to talk

Hi how's it going

Do you have feelings on *waves arm* all of This

taly
galron, gl, lld
datisi
catboi, prism, andante
rh9, dragons, cabd, mala
alyssa, fb, marci

top 3 + bottom 3 only ones that have thought behind rest is kind of hand wave

can u explain the thoughts u have?

Marci, if you want to pair with me for the sake of learning experience, I'm willing to accept that offer, but I will warn you.

I'm a quick trigger and if I get the sense you're even remotely scum I'll pull it and remove myself without hesitation. So if you have plans to live long and prosper in this game, you may not want me.

i dont care abt living long, i wouldnt mind pairing with u ( :

do u think lily would be mad if i ditched her..? im so scared she'll be the one without the pair

The person without a pair will be the person that we think is scummiest, as best we can. It's not worth attempting to worry about that. Make a pair with a team you feel comfortable with, and go for it.

It's not the kind of game you can worry about feelings, for now.

ahh, well i think a me x lily pairing would be really beneficial since we're pretty good at reading eachother + we're best when we can work together, she makes me more confident
tho ill wait until her catchups done and see if anything pings me as her being scummy.

[marcistar]

huh, whats wrong with that..?

[marcistar]

which in particular do you care abt

all the ones u wanna talk abt
readlists without reasons doesnt do much for me : /

ill give u some of my reads in exchange if u want

[marcistar]

I'm a good dancer hehe

starlight

lily im typing up a list of reads rn, so i hope itll help u a bit.

[marcistar]

Galron -

I think alot of galrons posts dont do much to help me build a read on him, so im curious about when hes gonna have his results from digesting those 12 pages.

RH9 -

At some point i said i enjoy his posts, but now that i'm ISOING him im realizing thats theres nothing really there, I think I was imagining things to be alot better than they were when I was trying to make reads based off my memory : 3 I would like to see him make some stances as well.

Firebringer -

Hes prob a townread, usually reading meme players is a bit hard for me, but I like his posts.. it seems like the perfect mix between memey and serious imo,
i like how he was trying to get into a pair with alyssa the lamb super early on, that just seems to me like a bit too confident for a scum to make.

Ydrasse -

i only really feel like her 418 and afterwards do anything for me, but even then i dont really have any thoughts on it.. most of the posts before that to me seem like she was just posting to have a presence. she would prob be a scumread if i have to put a label on her.

Cabd -

i've never really paid attention to how cabd acts as scum, since the one time he was scum in a game with me i was his partner lol.. but nothing he did really pinged me as scum as of yet..?

Alyssa the Lamb -

I think Alyssa the Lambs beginning posts were joking a bit

too

much about being scum, and I agree with llds 468.

Andante -

22 I think this is a bit scummy, cuz at this stage scum would prob be more focused on getting a pair than anything else.
post 33 this seems like a weird post.
414 this seems a bit overly aware of herself tbh.
but otherwise after she came back after her cry, i liked most of the posts. shes still a scumread, but its getting weaker.

Malakittens -

I don't think I've played with her before, but her lack of posts is sus. she would prob be another scumread if she doesnt post something more substantial soon.

People should add me to their readslist I demand critique if nothing else

if u want my critique: i feel like u should be ripping out the floor more and shoving reads down our throats so that the gamestates in a way u like.
taly lol i want ur opinion on if u think me and lily would be a good pair : 3

[marcistar]

Serious question, am I supposed to have a giant readslist at this point in the game?

i think not everybody needs to have them at this point as some people work at different paces, and some people i dont think really need it at all..? as long as they posts thoughts frequently

what do you mean overly aware? taly wanted everyone to go "I saw taly as IC and was so happy!!!" I gave my genuine thoughts when I saw it

"i dont want you to hate me or anything" gave the impression to me lol

hmm yeah! I can see where you are coming from, totally want to hear more from Malakittens, I didn't see really anything from them.

also how you are doing the colour??? I want xD

u need to click reply at the bottom of the page and then use "font colour"

[marcistar]

*I mean, "I don't want you to hate me" cause I'm telling Taly I didn't jump for joy when I saw Taly the IC? Taly was definitely giving off the "I want everyone to say good things about me!" vibes lol

how did he give those vibes..? i dont really see it tbh

[marcistar]

This is unfair. She just made her entrance.

i thought she wouldve had more since she said a townread on someone

[marcistar]

posts like 129 or 231 are good examples, they feel a little too diplomatic and there's not really an attempt to tease FB or catboi which is something I've seen from her before as town. or like 396, it's kinda hard to explain well but I feel there's confidence missing that I would expect from her when she's getting shaded. What do you think?

...
ugh
u and catbois post..

Perhaps that's an unfair expectation to be placing on her in a large theme game with many experienced players, some amount of increased hesitation would be understandable from a town POV, but the game is young and my preliminary suspicion is on her.

made me want to rant about the people me and lily play with.. but i wont.

i think i generally get more sarcastic when im stressed/bored tho, i dont think its a main part of my personality usually
in the way ur looking for guilty lions.. if its typical marci style..
shes gonna compare it to people who i fucking hate. people who i purposefully get snippy at because theyve done too much, that i cant be nice.

in the me + lily era there, i ignore their "main bandwagons of the day" and their "town cores" and just vote who i genuinely sus, meanwhile nowadays i do sort of the same thing but i literally just..
vote and then leave and only explain if someone asks :/

I also think her saying she's "enjoyed" RH9's posts is a truly bizarre take. I doubt that RH9 is someone that left a significant impression on her or that his posts were particularly interesting/amusing/good. It doesn't at all ring like a Genuine Thought to me, I struggle to understand why town!marci would say that about RH9

i think i already said i think i was by accident making stuff up because of my bad memory..?

569 can someone remind me to respond to this later, ive been trying to, but everything im typing is coming out as something horrible and mean since im so pissed

when i read 446, i got a very strong gut feeling that marci x lily is a pair that should 100% not be happening. i'm not sure i can even consciously explain why. so to see lld immediately call that out, i want to say that's goodvibes from her

haters gonna hate true love when they see it

ugh im up too late seething with anger

[marcistar]

:/ I'm sorry if I made ya mad Marci. If I wasn't clear I didn't mean anything negative by what I said about you, I've enjoyed your personality every time we play together, I can take sarcasm no problem I get a kick out of zingers its always just a game to me. I hope you don't feel like I have a negative opinion of you as a person, I don't at all and didn't in any way mean to suggest that I did

dw its not really anything u did, i enjoy playing with u (:

its because im such a clown like

seeing u ask lily that question i was abt to respond myself, but then it made me think about those bitches who i hate so then thinking about them make led my brain to places that made me angry yknow? : P

Like @marci if youre town I

want

you to roast me if you think I do or say something dumb, it's helped me read you before lol

P-edit: that makes sense Datisi, thanks

im saving up my insults for a real killer one later dw

Marci, if you want to pair with me for the sake of learning experience, I'm willing to accept that offer, but I will warn you.

I'm a quick trigger and if I get the sense you're even remotely scum I'll pull it and remove myself without hesitation. So if you have plans to live long and prosper in this game, you may not want me.

So, if I propose, it won't be bad? I am kind of thinking that you are my first choice because we will be able to sort each other and then solve together if we're both Town, which is what I believe.

r u gonna propose to her? or can i take my shot hehe

i either want lld, lily, or alyssa the lamb rn
in that order
(i still dont townread alyssa the lamb, but i think she'll be fun to talk to in a thread)
lily got downgraded cuz its not only 1 person hating on the true love of me and her

aa idk what i wanna doo

Firebringer - Hes prob a townread, usually reading meme players is a bit hard for me, but I like his posts.. it seems like the perfect mix between memey and serious imo,
i like how he was trying to get into a pair with alyssa the lamb super early on, that just seems to me like a bit too confident for a scum to make.

I planned to dance with Alyssa pregame before I even got an alignment

simp???

i feel like you’re asking me about my reads because you want to hear the reason i sr you more than you care about what i have to say about others since you went ahead and threw a scumread at me like 3 posts later before i answered so just seeing it as omgus

well tbh, sorta but that was a more "secondary, itll be nice if she does it but i wont care too much" sorta reason.
"seeing it as omgus" maybe it is, but honey can u deny what ive said???? alot of ur posts arent doing much

my hot take is that i’m fine with you pairing with lily though because you’d both die eventually and i don’t have to think there

good take

630 i like this ew from datisi, its kinda like what i was thinking

638 andante seems so on defense here. i dont like it.

[marcistar]

angielily - ???

:< what do u think abt if i asked lily to dance?

[marcistar]

cuz i dontn wanna ruin her chances at playing the game because of how selfish i am

[marcistar]

Lots of gents here too shy to send out offers of dances tho.

how do i propose to someone- do i just ask-

[marcistar]

ahh im second guessing myself t_t

[marcistar]

im..

not sure what to do..

aa

maybe lily should go with someone else whos way better than i am.

Would you like to dance with me Lady Lambdadelta?

aaa

[marcistar]

Would you like to dance with me Lady Lambdadelta?

ftr I fully support this as long as this pair never survives endgame

i dont want to make it too far tbh,

i dont have too much that i could offer lld, but all i can say is ill try my best if she chooses to accept me.

[marcistar]

does anyone even want to dance with me or am i getting sloppy eighths

Who do you want?

that's a good question. i'd do LLD but i'm not sure i'd make a good partner for her

would u wanna go for lily or malakittens at all?

[marcistar]

huh
i want lld more : (

does everyone want me to pair with guiltylions- he seems like he wants it

[marcistar]

I didn't see that coming. I'm going to fight marci for this. And I want LLD to endgame.

Wanna hit the dance floor LLD?

Take your time.

[marcistar]

ugh i really do want lld

WE FIGHT

[marcistar]

i think if my other option u guys would like would be guiltylions leaving me instantly, i would rather just wait out deadline with him as unpaireds so that its less work :/

[marcistar]

i think he prob

has a scumread on me, and has a bit of a better read on lld so hes trying to save her from my "evil clutches" or whatever.
i dont think it makes sense for scum to try to fight me on someone who said they wont hesitate to leave if they think their partners scum :/

this move is +town for him imo.

my competitive urges to fight him for llds love kinda wanna show itself :/ so lets just say hes smells

[marcistar]

My thing about this LLD vs GL thing is that even though I think both sides are probably town for it, I'm not comfortable with either being in a designated endgame pair either

this is partially why I really don't think it's so bad for me to pair with marci and leave/get limmed

like if marci flips scum that's probably clearing for LLD? but then Galron comes in and yolo proposes to LLD right when it seemed like forcing marci/GL might be viable

i think its a good plan tho, im always sused no matter what i do so its prob good if im one of the first few pairs to leave

i 100% want andante gone after we're flipped tho, andante is literally so scummy and u guys arent listening???? shes using her emotions to her advantage, and just not giving reads at all????
lily doesnt really seem like shes scum. i dont want save the dragons gone either, he seems like usual i think.
catboi should prob go as well since his reads have been pretty bad and thatll only help scum he could prob be someone who goes deep.

huh
i want lld more : (

does everyone want me to pair with guiltylions- he seems like he wants it

I don't like this post because it tells me nothing about what marci's read on me is

yeah it wasnt meant to i feel like my read on u should be obv from when i did my readslist but whateves

if we do a Marci/GL pair and lim plan, I would not want Galron with LLD, I'd probably want StD-LLD and Galron-Mala

why dont u want galron with lld wtf rude

yeah actually if marci flips scum then Taly/LLD is strong

im not flipping scum honey, nice try XOXO <3

this was too many words to say "i think lost!town interacts with a readslist made specifically for them more than she did" but whatever

do u want me to meta her or no

nvm with the lady lambdadelta proposal, idk if i need to undo the proposal or anything but ill do this

Would you like to dance with me Guiltylion?

[marcistar]

whats a tilt

[marcistar]

do u want me to meta her or no

just a quick pointer on whether she's usually like this as town and generally how much experience she has

ive played with her for awhile.
her style is usually heavy into the afk territory as either alignment. the only time ive ever really seen her give any reads was when she and our other friend took control of the town in one game i wasnt playing and forced a elim, she and my friend were both town, and so was their elim target. otherwise im pretty sure she just bandwagons.

Aka are you asking him to dance because you're upset

im only slightly upset
i hate it when people plan my death right in front of me. since that happened im prob better off dying??
i hate feeling so useless and like my opinions wont really be listened to.
its why i hate playing with the people me and lily typically play with, they just ignore my posts no matter what i do, no matter how hard i try?? literally they dont even read my posts sometimes, they decide to do that for the stupidest reasons.

i really do wanna die if people will just continue to sus me, theres no way itll help town to keep me alive for long.

Also have your reads changed

not too much.

[marcistar]

I think that Andante's reluctance to post a reads list comes from EM. When I was on that site, reads weren't regarded that highly and readlists were almost nonexistent.

ahhh, but i dont like people using excuses.. i hope she'll try to give us something soon

I agree with this so much. Mindmeld moment! Andante is so getting a TR from me.

This is going to sound extremely dumb but I feel like the exclamation mark is the scummiest thing RH9 has posted.

catboi, explain.

Why do you think that it is 'going to sound extremely dumb'? You have like a 100% readrate on me.

First of all, I determined your alignment accurately in a total of two games, hardly a definitive sample. And I think the particular tells I used for those games are no longer applicable - they were essentially one time only deals.


In regards to this game, it sounds dumb because zeroing on a single mark of punctuation as something alignment indicative is basically a ludicrous idea. But the way you wrote that read extremely fake to me. I went back and checked your first game and you did make statements with exclamation marks several times, so I am almost certainly reading too deeply into the tea leaves in that regard.


Now, what does my read rate on you have to do with me thinking my read sounds extremely dumb?

whats ur read on rh9, this confuses me

And my favourite Open Listmod, Something_Smart! Such a pleasure to finally play with him! One more person who I am adding to my want-to-propose-to list! Why are you so against him? If it was implosion, that would be more understandable because he's impossible to read and very distant.

rh9 1078 nice

guiltylions 1090 im confused why you struggle to see this, doesnt cabd like to pull off insane plays..?
1096 likey

also I did want to say, marci I'm going to reset and make sure I'm reading your posts in good faith and not just blanket ignoring/discrediting you, I get how that would be frustrating and despite a lack of ~pizazz~ in your early game, I don't think anything you've done has been especially disingenuous or unfair

I'm not sure we should be dance partners, I don't want to just accept and then stay tunneled on you and leave, that seems like it'd be a bad experience for you if you're town and it was unfair of me to try to use your slot as leverage to bully LLD into things I think would be suboptimal for her if she's scum

i was gonna say its a bit weird how u made a plan abt dancing w me and leaving right away and didnt wanna go thru with it, but this makes sense so nvm.
who do u think i should pair with, if not you?

im kinda attached to the idea of dying now tho like idk how to explain but i think sometimes theres town who, when left alive, make it so impossible to solve for scum, and i feel like thats me, so i wanna get rid of the obstacle. is this stupid idea?

catboi should prob go as well since his reads have been pretty bad and thatll only help scum he could prob be someone who goes deep.

What reads of mine have been bad aside from my one on you?

565 "andante is probably town", 733, maybe 853 im not too sure on that one, ur (410, 454) and then never really talking to her again :/

[marcistar]

I don't want to litigate every read here, but GuiltyLion has also expressed that he townreads Andante, and you don't have a problem with him. Why is it bad from me and not him?

anyone who townreads andante has bad reads,
i was working under the assumption me and guiltylions were gonna die together anyways so it didnt really seem worth the effort to point out his reads. does that make sense? (in world of me and guiltylions pair and then we instaleave, ull be alive still right..? so i wanted to give my read on u, and not waste my attention on someone who would die with me :3 )

But, ultimately, is me having reads you disagree with a reason for me being scum?

There's no reason I can't be town who just disagrees with you. In particular in the early game I'm still feeling things out and poking at people for the sake of seeing a response and will quickly change my mind based on new evidence. I don't care about being right in the very early game, I just want to get conversations started.

not really, but it gave u a ++ imo

Caught up, that was actually a quick read.

Don't have reads from it per se but at least now I should have context for stuff.

1240 i kinda like this post from ydrasse, and its making me second guess my og read on her a bit.. tho "also i feel like i'm being harsh on angie for activity" and then complains abt her seems a bit like she doesnt wanna commit to that read.

^ like ya this is jokey haha fun times but also it feels weird to have the context for their relationship n then go "nah i wanna dance with anyone else if they're up for it" even though she also says she'd leave marci if she was scum since it's like. defending how they'd interact int he future even if it doesn't happen if that makes sense

she doesnt feel weird to me tbh. i wouldnt be surprised if shes paranoid abt me.

Really, none of RH9 posts seem off?

i've explained already but i think at that point i was trying to read based off of memory and my memory was wrong T_T

Readswall

Marci posts a read wall with selective reads and no comment on Ydrasse. Sheeps an LLD thought but no read on LLD/me.

thats a very selective comment, cuz there was more people i didnt comment on in my reads wall

catboi should prob go as well since his reads have been pretty bad and thatll only help scum

hm? i missed this the first time - what do you find bad about his reads? anything else you think points towards him being scum or?

townreading andante is icky, and i dont really think shes done all that much to deserve it,
and i dont like the 733 because it just feels like hes agreeing to agree, like if he truly thought that why didnt he bring up earlier??
and then when i quoted 853, i felt like maybe there wasnt too much reasoning for a prism townread to be happening from anybody, so it felt weird a bit.
but his responses when i just put down the numbers were okayish.

i like the takes from people about how weird it is that norwegianboyee didnt pair with taly, but idk if i agree too much..? he said he wanted to catch up fully first, and it just feels like its taking an easy shot to go after him like that.

1307 catboi u seem more confident in ur reads on the gentleman list than the ones u have on the ladies list.. did u think all scum are ladies orrr..?

Nobody should be talking about their read on Ydrasse from now till intermission, I think.

this annoys me.

I'm now fully dedicated to gatekeeping snd providing input on everybody's pairs now that I have my own

the reason i signed up as a gentleman was i wanted to have more choice instead of just getting an arranged marriage :/
ill take ur opinion into consideration.

I don't like that you're leaping to assumptions about how I am reading you

O_o i think i agree a bit with this tho.

1342 i likethe very top part abt this titus post : DD

1348 shes always cute, but ofc im cuter

1351 i like the bottom part abt this titus post

1377 thats alot of words, i like how she tried hard for the post.

I also agree, it would be nice to pair

Marci/Lily

together

my guesses are that she got scared by post count and wont post again in this game so i kinda dont wanna :shrug: but if she

does

come back im fine to do it. is there anyother good pairings for me do u think?
ugh this is hard ;-;

other than what ive talked abt in this post, the titus part way catchup doesnt do much for me :/ i think once she finishes itll be better.

ugh this took longer than i thought it would

[marcistar]

i- theres more than 10 pages wtf im crying in pain

anyone who townreads andante has bad reads,

im pretty neutral on andante these days, might have something to do with alyssa saying she is town, whats ur reason on andante scum

this is literally her gameplay strat

her posts are so empty when u look deeper at their meanings :/

I disliked Norwee gesturing toward marcistar in 1339 because it feels manipulative, like he's trying to win the favor of someone who won't want to leave him.

originally i didnt think of it in this way because i feel like norwegianboyee has said something very similar before,

Idk why but Marcistar is like… really good at reading me? Even when everyone else fails at it?

I have a lot of respect for their tonal reads is what i’m saying. So high hopes for this mindmeld on T3 here.

and i was a bit paranoid about him here after this, but he winded up being town so i didnt really think it would indicate too much for him to do it here.

I feel like norwee would be getting more butthurt at getting incorrectly sussed as town. I hate that that's a Thing at all, but I can't really avoid thinking it.

i can see how u think this

the reason i signed up as a gentleman was i wanted to have more choice instead of just getting an arranged marriage :/
ill take ur opinion into consideration.

Who would you pair with?

someone whos not totally inactive, but someone who wont make me drown from how much they speak :/

I just feel like the whole "idk... ummm Hey Taly. approval?" is like trying to shift responsibility to Taly, so if it's a S/S partnering which it could be (cause Dragons hasn't done anything) you're just wanting Taly on board "or else I accept the other offer" like what?? Shouldn't this just be who you see yourself working with the best, OR who you TR? This whole situation feels odd to me, ESPECIALLY the "Otherwise, I likely accept Galron's proposal "

+ shes trying to make taly think higher of her by making sure hes not overloaded.

Who am i to solve the game without your guidance.

if i proposed would u help me solve t-t

Marcistar goes with mala.

i wouldn't wanna be with her, i dont think ive played with her before so i wouldnt know how to help her, or how to even read her.

1566 the guiltylions wall she quoted, is soo much for me to read i barely got much from it cuz i just lost interest :/ is that why she hates it as well?

Her readslist is super marci-centric at a time marci was getting scumread, she basically asks half of the players in the game why they're suspicious/scumreading marci. Even if lily isn't a forum mafia vet, I can't see even a newbie scum tying themselves to a suspected buddy so blatantly like this with their first posts of the game.

i was trying to look for a meme, but i couldnt find it.
but me and lily buddy alot as either alignment.

thoughts on lily are making me reevaluate. the more I sit with it the more I think if marci is town then those lily posts are worse than I had thought. I still don't think it's S/S energy but I do think lily seems like she both wants to buddy marci but also doesn't want to actually be tied to her.

I'm kinda hoping to see some marci thoughts on that, either in the pages I'm in the process of reading or in the near future.

im not surprised if she doesnt wanna be tied to me, i think shes paranoid because of my other friends stories, but doesnt wanna be left out of the dance as well.
and whenever shes paranoid abt me shes usually town so like :shrug:
if shes scum she wont be paranoid abt me, but still tries to play me to her advantage and humor me in most of my scumreads. tho usually then i get on her case and she just rolls over and dies.

tbh this game is gonna turn into "if you tr me I tr you" I already have that feeling

scummy.

I did wonder at the time if LLD was wrongTown and one of, or both, of marci/galron were aiming for this well-poisoning effect. That's definitely a narrative I can imagine, and LLD then proposing to pair herself with Taly also felt like it might be a Town Move.

why didnt u bring up this point before? :< whyd u wait until someone else did?

I think forgetting that you just paired EE also feels like the whole thing is more likely to be fake. like I think the cognitive load of scum having to lie about their reads on all the slots makes messing up and double pairing more likely than if you're town who's genuinely working through each slot thinking about who is remaining after you decide on a pair.

@

MARCI

, @

Norwee

- what do you two think about this point in particular? It's similar (though not quite exactly the same) to how I was on scum!Vanders forgetting who was in which grouping in the game we played together, so you've seen me nail scum on a similar point before. Is town!Titus likely to forget she wanted Norway and Datisi paired together?

i think since its one more gentleman than ladies, that its reasonable enough that it would be confusing.
but she had a couple other mistakes when she was doing the pairing og, like didnt she try to pair ydrasse x lily, even tho theyre both ladies?
idk if titus is the type to forget easily when making pairings, but why wouldnt her making mess ups be read as "townie because shes not thinking too hard about her posts being perfect"?

angielily has been prodded

bet shes not coming back

1708 this feels really weird to me for some reason..?

i mean, that's the part i find unlikely

why not..? i know if i was in his shoes i would prob wanna continue catching up first as well (since i have a bad memory i wanna finish what i started first : P)

i do like marci's walls, though i am a bit worried because she's not interacting much elsewhere? like, i'm projecting a bit here but scum!me loves doing walls bc it gives me time to plan shit out while in-the-moment sorting is much more difficult to fake and also mentally draining. and i don't see marci like, doing much other than those walls so

granted, the content in the walls feels solid, and i know some people just have a playstyle of walls, so i'll probably revisit this when the time comes - i modded two marci towngames, you'd *think* i'd be somewhat aware of her general playstyle by now but uhhh. i'll recheck those games at some point.

i dont know how often i do walls tbh, but what i do know is ever since tarot as scum i would prefer to be hella more inactive, that game actually scared me so much

You can pair with whoever you want!!! the other gents had plenty of time to steal ydra if they wanted, I support your decisions!!! Like, so much of this game has been others going "IC should do this" like, do whatever you want to do!! I'll get more serious after pairs happen, idk I joined this for fun, not to be mega serious, obviously I'll look for scum, but am also here for a good time!! it feels like people are stressing you out :/

Why are you putting your read on me, on taly? like, it's not taly's fault, just like if we end up losing, I do not blame taly. way too manypeople here are like "I'm just doing what taly says" that's an insane amount of pressure. I don't care who you are. like, people seem to be expecting taly to have had this game solved from the start, there's definitely at least 1 scum going all "taly I follow you" or "tally is this ok" people are trying to break taly before the true fun this game even begins...

i kinda agree with this tho, scum probably has plenty of reason just to play follow the leader with taly, but i trust taly knows what hes doing.

Somebody smack me if I post anymore in this game today. I'm a bit concerned my mental health, while not in a severely bad place, may be suggesting to me that I need to be in total control to be listened to. I need to reflect on that and let the thread breathe. The reason for my mental health concerns has zero to deal with mafia and more to deal with resurfacing trauma from my marriage. So it's nothing anyone in this game did. No post here triggered it at all. In fact, I'm not sure what did at all but I know what didn't.

aa i hope the break today helps u feel a bit better, dont feel like u need to post more today the game will always be here tmmrw and ur mental health is more important : )

[marcistar]

+ shes trying to make taly think higher of her by making sure hes not overloaded.

i forgot to explain more on this
its a + to the list of reasons why shes scum :/

[marcistar]

i don't know, probably? to be fair i've read his recent meltdown and i got a bit of a feeling it's a townie one, so /shrug

do u think he would be a good partner for me?

I disliked Norwee gesturing toward marcistar in 1339 because it feels manipulative, like he's trying to win the favor of someone who won't want to leave him.

originally i didnt think of it in this way because i feel like norwegianboyee has said something very similar before,

Idk why but Marcistar is like… really good at reading me? Even when everyone else fails at it?

I have a lot of respect for their tonal reads is what i’m saying. So high hopes for this mindmeld on T3 here.

and i was a bit paranoid about him here after this, but he winded up being town so i didnt really think it would indicate too much for him to do it here.

How did

Norwe

wind up being town?

in the game for the second quote he was a townie, did i word that weirdly?
so since it much similar, to what hes said in this game, it doesnt mean too much imo

[marcistar]

do u think he would be a good partner for me?

i don't really... have an opinion? why ask me?

because i want to?????
i dont remember if u had any opinions on who i should pair with

I know that I wasn't asked but Norwee would be great. Wait, you were talking about Norwee, right?

yeah,
i dont know if i like much of the other ladies left : ( but i wanna see if norwegianboyee wouldwanna solve with me or not first

[marcistar]

lets do it then..?

would you like to dance with me Norwegianboyee?

i think itll be fun : D

[marcistar]

are you at all worried considering the one time i tricked you norwegianboyee..?

[marcistar]

@Marci
What game was that?

IJGFDN I NEARLY FORGOT THE NUMBERS

newbie 2061?

[marcistar]

this annoys me.

I mean it annoys me too but optimal is optimal

[marcistar]

what crossed your mind when you guys first saw this post?

Taly is aligned with

Town

.

Thank fuck I don't have to try to read you

Alyssa probably town from this?

how?

I do agree Galron's Andante takes were bad I think Galron is low key pretty scummy especially if LLD/Titus is town

can u guys link to galrons andate takes, i feel like im forgetting them

Yeah, Prism does feel off to me.

why

What do you think GL is being “picky” about exactly? I don’t understand this?

word choice, its weird to be picky abt my word choice

You've played with me enough that you can figure it out.

this screams unhelpful and i dont like it :/

Well he does have a pretty impressive bop on reading me and in that one game where he doubted me, I actually wasn’t all that obvtown there. I’m not always. I know that will shock some people since I think I very obviously am obtown here.

Are you asking if I get pocketed easily? Very sadly yes. In that game, the scumteam said that they were never limming me and in another, scum actually cried after I repped out.

sorry if its mean but ur confidence in how townie you look just really feels weird rn.

Didn't that pairing just kinda happen and then never really get brought up again?

people havent really brought up the pairing too much, but have brought us up individually
if u wanna talk abt it lets talk :/

im kinda not motivated rn tho, cuz the games feeling rlly boring with all the replacements + lack of flips

[marcistar]

people havent really brought up the pairing too much, but have brought us up individually
if u wanna talk abt it lets talk :/

Your pairing in particular sticks out as a pairing I can be most easily wrong on not thinking scum is probably in, mainly

hopefully norwegianboyees not scum, i would feel so bad if what catboi said about norwegianboyee just wanting to pair with someone who wont leave him is true :/
i hope ill be able to tell but idontremember if ive ever played with scum norwegianboyee before

[marcistar]

I've seen scum!Norwee before. Here are some quotes from him.

thank you for the quotes! i'll keep it in mind
i have big plans for me and norwegianboyees thread <3

[marcistar]

It's not like i think i'm even good at mafia.
But i get so tilted when i see someone pushing for something i know or strongly believe is BS.

I think Norwee’s town.

can u explain more why this specifically is town?

[marcistar]

Why is it weird for gl to be picky about your word choice and wtf did you post rolling eye emojis at me?

because theres much better things abt me to be picky abt than my word choice
rolling eyes was meant to symbolize how obv it is to me lol

[marcistar]

why the instant galron vote and then removal not longer after..?

[marcistar]

why the instant galron vote and then removal not longer after..?

Would you have joined it?

no, i wouldnt have right away at least. his instant removal seemed a bit noncommittal to it so i wanted to know :/

why the instant galron vote and then removal not longer after..?

Marci, I'd love a naked readslist from you.

Galron - scummy?
Datisi - town
Shiro - scum
RH9 - im not too sure abt him, if i had to say something i would say scum maybe?
Firebringer - town
Save the Dragons - town
NorwegianboyEE - idk, im tryna find that out tho
GuiltyLion - townlean
Something_Smart - idk..? town maybe? i feel bad for him t_t
Harley Quinn - scumlean?
Alyssa the Lamb - idk
Andante - scum
Titus - idk

[marcistar]

I don't find this readslist horrible but how can I help you get more confidence? Care to explain a waffling read so we can get you to clearer positions? I am curious as you form reads as we haven't played together much as far as I recall, unless you're an alt.

i just really dont know how to read alyssa the lamb since idk her t_t
like whats so town indicative in her..?

[marcistar]

Fire i’m sorry you paired up with scum.

Are you talking to Andante?

...
whyd u feel the need to ask this rh9? ur questions making me more confused...

I'd leave now but I wanna take to story further,

how much do u got so far?

People I have in the likely scum pool include: Norwee, Titus, Dragons

when you come back, can you please explain these..?
do you think titus x save the dragons is scum x scum..? or?

[marcistar]

ugh im so tired t_t

[marcistar]

Actually just based on that if there were a S/S pairing that might be my best guess for it. Not because I scumread either party, purely because I can see scum not wanting to draw attention to themselves while executing a big play.

this smells like bs

[marcistar]

(Sorry marcistar. I don't SR you but I do scumlean your partner for his narratives regarding Galron.)

its fine, i can see how you could think this abt him but i honestly think "painting a narrative" is a bit strong for what hes been doing.
theres nothing thats really pinged me that he might be scum yet.

[marcistar]

I think I'm about to vote someone

who?

[marcistar]

why

[marcistar]

titus can u explain why u townread harley i really dont understand too much :/

[marcistar]

im not playing seriously anyone got any dank memes to share

not a meme but my friend drew this awhile ago

[marcistar]

Everybody, rank each pair (except mine - calling IC privilege) on how likely you believe scum resides in them.

town
Datisi & GuiltyLion
Save the Dragons & Titus
(my pair here? maybe?)
RH9 & Alyssa the Lamb = Galron & Something_Smart
Shiro & Harley Quinn
Firebringer & Andante
scum

Taly i feel you should recognize that this is my towngame.
You have the power to stop this awful wagon on me/Marci if you just say it.
I also feel Marci is more likely town from our PT so i’m firmly in the belief that our lim would be -Wincon for town.

It's not you I'm worried about darling

ur worried abt me?

[marcistar]

goodmorning guys is it worth it reading any of the recent pages its so much

[marcistar]

mainly stuff about andante / firebringer

hes asked me abt my opinions on something smart / galron

and then talked a bit abt how he needs to pay attention to you / datisi more

[marcistar]

our threads not that long yet tho lol

[marcistar]

the story better be good then smh smh

[marcistar]

ughhh i forgot how to write cases its been so long t_t

[marcistar]

why are u guys all so pressed abt norwee just wanting to read up before doing anything, its not that scummy and u guys just hate him cuz its whats ez

[marcistar]

guiltylions and datisi

[marcistar]

are you partners

yah

[marcistar]

guiltylions and datisi

GL?! Why? Datisi seems like he's following GL along but GL has a solid case, remember.

guiltylions case is built up on something thats easily explainable

all i'm saying is i was voting norwee (and marci) before it was cool

cant do that when its always been cool
like this is the second time a wagons forming on us, how does that not prove we're the easy to miselim pair??

[marcistar]

This just feels like a waste of time at this point, scum won. Whatever.
I give up, but FYI Marci wanted to post something maybe. At least she said so in PT. But for my case i wouldn’t really care if i was limmed right now.

ugh idk if ill have time to

[marcistar]

i dont think norwees scummy :/ he seemed fine in the private thread

[marcistar]

idk his responses

have

been kinda dry lately but i liked when he mentioned datisis activity dropped cuz i didnt notice that so i thought maybe he was paying attention to the game so he could try to solve..?

[marcistar]

how annoying when i try to do things the wifi goes out

he mentioned it on monday at likr 6 my time so idk maybe a bit before thwt ur activity dropped

[marcistar]

if you have a problem with norwee spill the beans wtf

[marcistar]

thats a townie thought if ive ever seen one

[marcistar]

Who are other slots that you think you would have angled to pair with instead as scum?

Also, what's your PT like?

no clue, considering i didn't spend too much time thinking about it. and it would depend who my partners were. i can try to go back and look if you think it would be useful for you.

we're halfway through page 5, vast majority of it is solving, except for a short conversation about astronomy.

how tf-

[marcistar]

u think me x norwee is scum x scum?

[marcistar]

fair enough

even tho i think its pretty obv me and norwee are meant to be the miselims here -.- if that doesnt change ur mind idk what will smh

[marcistar]

yes?!??!?!

[marcistar]

how would i know that

[marcistar]

marcistar i dunno just feels off. i don't like her "i'm sring Andante but maybe it's lessened" 477 to her "anyone tring Andante is bad" 1439 for example

whats so weird abt it..? theres 962 posts in between?

i- i had fun with you norwee!! ttyl

[marcistar]

Prism wasn't the most townie by the end of it all, but that's because everybody else drowned her out. Posts like (140, 278, 289, 354) give amazing reads on the gamestate. Wasn't Prism the first person to point out how horrible Cabds read on Catboi was..? You know, the one yall drowned the chat with

forever

? As well, posts like (214, 258, 829) show off her willingness to be a sacrifice/die. That doesn't benefit scum at all, since this game is always changing, if she was scum, how would she be confident her scum teammates and their dance partners would make it long enough to endgame..? That wouldn't be a guarantee, so why is she offering herself up like this if shes scum?

Norwegianboyee literally said in 1139 "So i won’t accept anything until i know what i’m doing." but people such as Datisi, Firebringer, Guiltylion and probably more have brought this up as a point against him. But literally before Taly even proposed Norwee laid out what he was gonna do???? Thats such an easy and bs thing to push for an elim, that it cant help but make me think people are capitalizing on it. Hes also done some good questions/reads such as (1167, 1240, 1334, 1761, 2517). 1170 also makes quite alot of sense considering what he told me in the private thread, and I don't think he would fake that considering ?? i can just check ?? not that hard LMAO. He has more good posts that I could go on quoting, but thats a bit redundant. His attitude has been something that really stood out to some people, but thats just normal Norwee. I know based on his personality and general playstyle hes a pretty easy miselim (my very first game with him, he was the d1 miselim and scum wasn't even

on

his wagon) and that's something people may capitlize on

if hes town here.

Also everything he's promised me in our private thread, hes done.. his thoughts line up perfectly, that it really just seems too hard for scum to fake.

Not_mafia is not mafia clearly.

Spoiler:

felt the need to do this since i was doing paragraphs on each era of the slot and didn't want him to feel left out

I really feel like we shouldn't be aiming to get people out just based off of playstyle, instead I think we should be doing whos the most sus. Picking off people based off of playstyle things, when their slot hasn't really been all that sus is ?? and only helps scum.

[marcistar]

I want to hear what

Norwe

was like in your PT,

Marci

. How big was it? What did y'all talk about?

its still on page 2 so not that big, but to me it seemed reasonable considering we have like an 8 or 9 hr difference i forgot which lol

Spoiler:

we talked abt how useless/useful looking into malakittens would be,
paranoia about andante & her meta (took awhile)
i asked if he thought andante / firebringer could both be scum
he told me his read on firebringer
talked more about andante
he asked my take on somethingsmart / galron
i explained what i thought, i asked if his read on harley quinn was an actual thing
he said his read on harley quinn is real
<<the datisi losing activity thing i talked abt earlier today is here>>
he mentioned his read on me based off of the wagons on us
he told me he didnt think we would live long
he said he thought catboi was townie
(at this point he wasnt responding anymore) i talked about what i thought about datisi earlier today

@marci, at what point did you start thinking Prism/Norwee slot was town?

also, who would you say is picking people off of playstyle things? I don't like the last bit of the post without you offering any specific names and players you are thinking are more suspicious than Norway

1. i dont know exactly when, but it was around the time i started mentioning how decent he is here
2. literally anyone attacking norwee for how hes been acting is picking him off based off of playstyle :/

my issue with it is I can't really decipher whether it's more likely that it's a town mindset or scum mindset that creates that post considering my issues with it

whats ur issues with it?

also, who was "drowning the chat"? This feels like a weird characterization around the narrative around Cabd - like yeah, it came up a bunch of times and a lot of people wanted Smart limmed as soon as he replaced in, but there was still a lot of other discussion going on around the time too

maybe it was weird wording, but the same point over and over is drowning it into the chat imo

Oh really? I viewed it as Marci tr Norwee because her post sounded like she had conviction in that read. I do wonder why she didn’t pair with Angie however because I think that’s probably one if not the main reasons she likey signed up for this, based off how badly she wanted to play with Marci.

@Marci did you sr Angie? Is that why you didn’t pair with her?

didnt really have a read on her,
i wanted her to get a bit more active in chat and get a diff pair if she could, the people who know me and lily well know how hard we buddy so i sorta wanted to push her out of the comfort zone if i could.

[marcistar]

like we had different stances on that smh

[marcistar]

(like peoples positioning around her)

[marcistar]

well yah cuz the majority of my stuff came from norwee

[marcistar]

huh ?

why would i pick him if im scum..? im in a decent spot by myself? as scum i couldve prob just picked someone else whos better at defending themselves

[marcistar]

VOTE: marcistar / not_mafia

[marcistar]

Ahh I finally have time to respond now!

Even though we lost, I'm happy with the result (I hope this doesn't sound too bad..?) Usually i flop super hard as scum and have such a hard time, so after I shook off my initial nervousness I felt like I did better than I was expecting to : DDD improvement..? maybe..? watch as I flop super hard when I get scum next LOL

#NOREGRETS i tried my best

GG town!! <3

plist was fantastic

I agree with this!! I loved the players, and especially the scumteam they were all so so nice !! I feel bad for lily tho, i feel like i did her dirty by inviting her to a game like this LOL

I think all the scum played really well

yeah it sucks,
morale was so low at multiple points but the huge wave of replacements really helped maf alot i feel like, it felt a bit like it was unfair HEUIRF when the replacements came suddenly we all became so much happier to try <3

It hurt so much to see Norwee and Galron get suspected

yeah it hurt so much for me too,
i was gonna defend norwee tbh but i wanted to believe in him that he could do it himself

- -

anytime i saw someone quote 471 I laughed so hard actually guys... like i couldnt stop at all
its normal for lily to say stuff like that, and kinda normal for me as well when its abt irl friends

also guiltylion when u were talking about pairing with me just to leave me... that nearly broke me... i was SO CLOSE to scumclaiming...

also harley quinn you talked about meta so much iirc? it made it a bit hard for me to follow, and i feel like as any alignment it would've been for me. dont hate me for saying this but im not a hella meta player like u ( :

love you all

thank you pooky for hosting!
thank you spectators for making dead thread fire!!
thank you anyone whos played at any point!!! yall were lovely <3

time to pester lily to play a diff game again