Open 839: White flag Holder [Game Over]

[Looker]

@Dwlee, Enchant, Harley Quinn, MegAzumarill, & Voyc: What should I know

[Looker]

Still haven't read anything, but looks like I may be down to only this now.

[Looker]

Hello, give me six hours

[Looker]

Spoiler:

Vote Count 1.10

With 14 votes in play, it takes 8 to eliminate.


Toogeloo (5): marcistar,Blood Puppets, Three, Andante, Milk & Mocha,
Milk & Mocha (3): Toogeloo, numberQ, Dwlee99,
Not_Mafia (1): Not_Mafia,
Dwlee99 (1): Harley Quinn,
RH9 (1): Voyc,
numberQ (0):
Harley Quinn (0):
Three (0):
Andante (0):
marcistar (0):
Blood Puppets (0):
ahhlo (0):
Voyc (0):
MegAzumarill (0):

Not Voting

(2): RH9, MegAzumarill,

Deadline:

(expired on 2021-12-26 15:45:40)

ahhlo was voting milk & mocha

Bear with me, please

[Looker]

Based off tone and relaxed posts (also votes within the game), I feel it's Harley, Voyc and Dwlee (could replace Dwlee with MegaZoom, but I feel more toward Dwlee). Galron went v/la as scum last game, so I'm kind of suspicious of that as well (I know, it's an insult, but I'm being honest). Only person to vote Harley was marcistar, who

replaced out and then

died. Harley's the only one to votepark Dwlee. Only person to vote Voyc was Andante, who replaced out and then died, despite Dwlee and Harley saying they want Voyc out. Kinda skimming, so let me know what I've missed or am missing.

[Looker]

Guessing now's not the time to vote since scum can pull a quickhammer (Hey, Dwlee! ) with 3, but my vote would go to those three in the order they were listed.

[Looker]

O wow, that was quick

[Looker]

I never voteparked or even ever voted Dwlee, that was my predecessor.

Spoiler: You're right - I can't find it in your ISO, but votecount says it's you (I don't like that)

Harley Quinn replaces DArby

Vote Count 1.04

With 14 votes in play, it takes 8 to eliminate.


RH9 (4): MegAzumarill, Blood Puppets, datsi, numberQ,
Milk & Mocha (3): Toogeloo, Three, Dwlee99,
Not_Mafia (2): Not_Mafia, ahhlo,
Dwlee99 (1): Harley Quinn,
Three (1): Milk & Mocha,
Toogeloo (1): Andante,
Harley Quinn (1): marcistar,
Andante (0):
numberQ (0):
marcistar (0):
Blood Puppets (0):
ahhlo (0):
datsi (0):
MegAzumarill (0):

Not Voting

(1): RH9,

Deadline:

(expired on 2021-12-24 15:00:00).

I guess this also explains the marcistar vote - they voted for darby

VOTE: darby

I guess it's 50/50 whether there's automatic replacement unvote

When did marci replace out? She never did either one of those things.

That's why I crossed out the replacement part because I was confusing marci with Andante.

What does either Andante replacing out and or her replacement being the nk have anything to do with either me or Dwlee?

Only person to vote Voyc was Andante, who replaced out and then died, despite Dwlee and Harley saying they want Voyc out.

I think I want to vote out Voyc.

I’m down with either but currently leaning Voyc

These are later in the game than I initially interpreted. I initially interpreted these as you having wanted Voyc out before today.

So I guess that’s my list then Meg, I’m liking Dwlee and Q’s posts the best today. I’ve been tr Meg allgame but her recent posts are making me question that, so that’s currently where I am.

Your points are valid, but I still want Dwlee because you guys haven't eliminated scum all game (so a change in game leadership is required), and Dwlee not replacing makes me think they're scum enjoying a hard-earned victory (especially with the "I'm too incompetent to be NK'd" and "I'm doing absolutely nothing to solve").

Based off tone and relaxed posts (also votes within the game), I feel it's Harley, Voyc and Dwlee (could replace Dwlee with MegaZoom, but I feel more toward Dwlee). Galron went v/la as scum last game, so I'm kind of suspicious of that as well (I know, it's an insult, but I'm being honest). Only person to vote Harley was marcistar, who

replaced out and then

died. Harley's the only one to votepark Dwlee. Only person to vote Voyc was Andante, who replaced out and then died, despite Dwlee and Harley saying they want Voyc out. Kinda skimming, so let me know what I've missed or am missing.

Can confirm Galron also went V/LA in a game I was scum with them in but it was for valid reasons. Not sure how that matters as I don’t see Galron in the active player list or replacement list?

I don't trust players who go V/LA but then post when it's strategically convenient for them. They shield behind "O I was busy - V/LA" when you need them for something, but then pop in to defend themselves. It just seems they get to shirk responsibility and I've seen it exploited before.

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Glad that Mathblade replaced in; I like their posts.

[Looker]

I'm also confused regarding the advantage of no-elimming yesterday, but I'm assuming that's because town collectively distrusted their ability to find scum? The only PR I see is IC and I don't see how that role is benefited by a no-elim (as opposed to a Cop/roleblocker, etc).

[Looker]

Apologies for the sloppiness, but I kinda didn't/don't expect this game to last much longer, so it's kind of minimal investment. Just let me know where to vote and why.

[Looker]

Travelling, but my sentiments haven't changed. Dwlee/Harley Quinn/Voyc/Looker maybe?

[Looker]

No, I was joking that maybe I'm the scum. Dwlee looks more suspicious from interaction with Mathblade, but I don't want to blindly trust Math just because they're using logic. Harley's responses to me were good but that doesn't really prove anything. I'm just posting so I don't get fined.

[Looker]

No, I was joking that maybe I'm the scum. Dwlee looks more suspicious from interaction with Mathblade, but I don't want to blindly trust Math just because they're using logic. Harley's responses to me were good but that doesn't really prove anything. I'm just posting so I don't get fined.

You may be joking but I find it highly probable you are scum.

I don't know what this sentiment was meant to accomplish.

If we're just going to wait for Voyc to get replaced anyway, can I conveniently go on V/LA so I don't have to prod dodge until he gets here...? Don't worry, I'll pop up randomly whenever I feel I'm in trouble.

I'm convinced it's fake because it's literally fake lol. I wasn't commenting on his intentions behind it, just saying that I don't see that much utility in doing the whole fake vote thing. I guess it's just a finger of suspicion of sorts.

As for who I would NOT vote, I think Looker at the moment. I don't really have any strong TRs but I have the least reason to SR Looker iirc. Phone posting right now so I'm mostly going from memory of how their posting has made me feel.

This post is ugly

. Looker is pretty low on my PoE.

That's rude.

Spoiler: Can I vote Dwlee yet?

[Looker]

Everyone imagine themselves in the dead thread

You watched someone claim IC and try to get enchant (flipped town) and me to vote for someone before the mod didn't confirm the reveal.

Would you not be supremely confused figuring out why this is being ignored

Actually this makes sense

[Looker]

You may be joking but I find it highly probable you are scum.

And this just seems weird to me

[Looker]

Spoiler: Can I vote Mathblade yet?

[Looker]

Please don't be faking. Not for the town, but for the game - we can't afford another replacement

[Looker]

And are you replacing Voyc or Harley Quinn?

[Looker]

CAN WE GET MOD CONFIRMATION ON IC REVEAL?

Thank God, we can move forward once that's done.

[Looker]

Yeah but DKKoba did the same thing and none of this is making sense, so I'll wait.

[Looker]

Dwlee99 have been revealed as

Innocent Child

DkKoba (Voyc)/Harley Quinn/MegAzumarill

I don't like that both Mathfire's and DkKobaVoyc's slots fakeclaimed IC (Voyc didn't strike me as very impactful, either, and - much like Quinn and Meg - voted predominantly town). Willing to vote Quinn as potential scum to ease burden of replacement. Meg is paranoia.

@IC: Can I vote? As in, are you ready to die?

[Looker]

If they're not your partners, who are

[Looker]

But that's only if you eat a sandwich

[Looker]

Ignore that

[Looker]

Check my posts throughout the site

[Looker]

Is that what you think scum talk about...sandwiches

[Looker]

Check my posts throughout the site

I don't see the sandwich thread though

You don't see sandwich in my post history? If anyone should see it in this player list, it's you

[Looker]

I like the chomping at the bit, tho

[Looker]

Is this because I flipped from Dwlee to you?

Also, was DkKoba trying to normalize IC fakeclaims to make Firebringer look less scummy?

Also, also, has no one really meta'd me to see where the sandwich came from? Can that desperation be recognized in other visual behaviors? (The last sentence is admittedly kind of paranoid)

[Looker]

Why would they both lean into the sandwich trap after both fakeclaiming IC?

[Looker]

dwlee if u dont vote looker now after that ur trolling

im deadass gonna vote there by tonight bc LMFAO

Also, this. Did you not do it because it would look scummy as fuck if no quickhammer came?

Interestingly enough, scum!Datisi used the lack of a quickhammer to miselim me before. It was wild...and unsettling.

[Looker]

...? Is this real?

[Looker]

You beat me to it

[Looker]

And I'll tell you, but you won't believe me.

I recently dove headfirst into veganism and it's fucking me up (I'm quitting btw), so my brain has just been on food and I found that phrase about sandwiches funny. I've also been lightheaded and kind of delirious for the past few days so maybe that was the onset. Also, DkKoba (as potential scum) telling me that I only had one scum correct (while they were in the scumpool) was something I found funny as well, so I tried to keep in the same vein. I had no idea people would positively POUNCE on it lol.

[Looker]

But that's what desperate scum do.

[Looker]

Whoops I meant @HarleyQuinn on the question I was reading Looker’s posts and said the wrong name

[Looker]

Started suspecting them here.
Their voting pattern doesn’t match what they are saying.
And most of their posts don’t seem to follow a train of recognizable thought.

What has been my voting pattern?

[Looker]

Looker was a posts kept getting worse and worse read and with that on the end, I am pretty confident Looker is scum especially if it’s Numbers/Meg/Looker.

Are you sure it's not because you kept asking me about sandwiches...? Or because we've had two slots fakeclaim IC and are waiting for a replacement to elim one of them...?

[Looker]

I thought all this discussion was a formality. Are we not elimming DkKoba/MathFireBladeBringer when Harley Quinn is replaced?

p-edit: Sussing how? Can you explain? And where did Numbers come from?

[Looker]

I have been spewed town already lol.

Where?

I thought all this discussion was a formality. Are we not elimming DkKoba/MathFireBladeBringer when Harley Quinn is replaced?

p-edit: Sussing how? Can you explain? And where did Numbers come from?

Lmao this is comedic gold
I quoted the post where you list three scum after Dwlee reveals and they’re in it

Bro, I need some red meat. Can you highlight it? I don't see it.

[Looker]

VOTE: looker

Not even gonna pretend anymore, huh?

Spoiler:

Just gonna be scum out in the open.

Spoiler:

I have been spewed town already lol.

Where?

I thought all this discussion was a formality. Are we not elimming DkKoba/MathFireBladeBringer when Harley Quinn is replaced?

p-edit: Sussing how? Can you explain? And where did Numbers come from?

Lmao this is comedic gold
I quoted the post where you list three scum after Dwlee reveals and they’re in it

Bro, I need some red meat.

Can you highlight it? I don't see it.

And I guess you figured this was impossible? And so declined?

[Looker]

I'm guessing right now that Harley Quinn was town and the fourth member we need to vote out one of the three remaining scum.

Who here is opposed to elimming one of the fakeclaimers?

[Looker]

dkvoyc - Fakeclaimed, scummy under the guise of "memeing". So desperate to miselim that they jumped on a post about sandwiches.
harley - Getting replaced
looker - Me. Willing to vote fakeclaimer.
megazum - Wants to leash everyone to Dwlee's decision (same as Mathblade) despite Post 3251

Spoiler:

Mathblade can you actually solve, I don't have perfect reads even being confirmed + your slot is in contention so town tell or something

number - Being gaslit/enraged/handled by Mathfire. Will maybe vote Math?
dwlee - Posting about sandwiches instead of being the accountability scapegoat for the entire town
mathfire - Firebringer replacement after slot fakeclaimed. Says he's been spewed town but doesn't show where. Also misattributes Harley's posts to me and says things are in my posts that aren't there even as he's quoting said post.

I'm confident it's DkKoba, but, even if it's not, I'm willing to lose on it. Same thing to a lesser degree with Mathfire

[Looker]

So is Harley scum or is DkKoba? Or is it that I'm scum? Why am I not dead? Is this another Datisi moment?

[Looker]

Also, @Math - can you answer my three questions/requests for information? To include your assessment of my voting pattern.

[Looker]

I made the other two red so you can see them. You know, encouraging communication because that's all town has. You know.

[Looker]

But I posted them forever ago

[Looker]

[Looker]

He needs someone green he can manipulate. Prepare for the ambush.

[Looker]

But I posted them forever ago

And I have been doing 60-70 hour weeks.

So the last thing I want to do is more casing when it doesn’t seem anyone reads it and you’re not going to say you’re scum in thread. So I would rather not do busywork but if I am ever not exhausted I will. The facts stand for themselves.

Looker why haven’t you voted Koba?

If Koba is town then if you’re town then scum could hammer you just as easily as Koba.
If Koba is scum then if you’re town it’s the right vote.

Those are the only two possibilities worth asking about as the “if you’re scum” options you won’t admit to.

I don't really give a fuck what you and DkKoba engineered in your PT, but if you're not going to play with me, I'm not going to play with you.

Also, @Math - can you answer my three questions/requests for information? To include your assessment of my voting pattern.

Spoiler:

Started suspecting them here.
Their voting pattern doesn’t match what they are saying.
And most of their posts don’t seem to follow a train of recognizable thought.

What has been my voting pattern?

I have been spewed town already lol.

Where?

I thought all this discussion was a formality. Are we not elimming DkKoba/MathFireBladeBringer when Harley Quinn is replaced?

p-edit: Sussing how? Can you explain? And where did Numbers come from?

Lmao this is comedic gold
I quoted the post where you list three scum after Dwlee reveals and they’re in it

Bro, I need some red meat.

Can you highlight it? I don't see it.

We can wait until the replacement or until you feel people are worthy enough to be answered, idc. But I'm positive I work longer hours than you and with far more people, so I find your excuse invalid and desperate.

[Looker]

In which post was it quoted

[Looker]

And "lol" does not relieve you of accountability. You've failed - again - to show where you were spewed town. But thank you for respecting my wishes and responding instead of lurking like a poor sport. I appreciate that from one player to another.

[Looker]

@3380 - That post doesn't reference Numbers.

Also, as stated, either Koba, Quinn or myself would be the scum. I do appreciate your effort and will not be entirely upset if it's rewarded by a replacement that does not read thoroughly...but you're wrong...and more than likely scum.

[Looker]

Spoiler:

Dwlee99 have been revealed as

Innocent Child

DkKoba (Voyc)/Harley Quinn/MegAzumarill

I don't like that both Mathfire's and DkKobaVoyc's slots fakeclaimed IC (Voyc didn't strike me as very impactful, either, and - much like Quinn and Meg - voted predominantly town). Willing to vote Quinn as potential scum to ease burden of replacement. Meg is paranoia.

@IC: Can I vote? As in, are you ready to die?

Is this because I flipped from Dwlee to you?

Also, was DkKoba trying to normalize IC fakeclaims to make Firebringer look less scummy?

Also, also, has no one really meta'd me to see where the sandwich came from? Can that desperation be recognized in other visual behaviors? (The last sentence is admittedly kind of paranoid)

This doesn’t make any sense.

Either A> Looker is sussing the IC which is bad
Or B>

He says it’s me + Koba + Numbers

In which case he’d help me bus numbers but isn’t

The sandwich thing also contributes

I thought all this discussion was a formality. Are we not elimming DkKoba/MathFireBladeBringer when Harley Quinn is replaced?

p-edit: Sussing how? Can you explain? And

where did Numbers come from

?

Spoiler:

Looker was a posts kept getting worse and worse read and with that on the end, I am pretty confident Looker is scum especially if it’s Numbers/Meg/Looker.

Are you sure it's not because you kept asking me about sandwiches...? Or because we've had two slots fakeclaim IC and are waiting for a replacement to elim one of them...?

Koba’s the only one that can possibly be scum though.

I have been spewed town already lol.

And it’s Koba
They do bad tunnels

So it’s realistically Numbers/Looker/Meg

Spoiler:

I thought all this discussion was a formality. Are we not elimming DkKoba/MathFireBladeBringer when Harley Quinn is replaced?

p-edit: Sussing how? Can you explain? And where did Numbers come from?

Lmao this is comedic gold

I quoted the post where you list three scum after Dwlee reveals and they’re in it

And no, it’s not a formality.
The answer was is and always will be Dwlee votes and that person dies period.

We need Dwlee on the elim and so they decide.

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@3380 - That post doesn't reference Numbers.

It doesn’t? I fail to see your point.

[Looker]

Also... (since I've already stated that, due to me not being hammered, scum has to be myself, DkKoba, or Harley Quinn)

• In case of scum!DkKoba/scum!Harley Quinn
  
• Nothing can be accomplished until town votes me.
  
  In case of scum!DkKoba/town!Harley Quinn
  
• Same. Nothing can be done until town votes me.
  
  In case of town!DkKoba/scum!Harley Quinn
  
• I'd rather DkKoba lose the game than me. We'll figure this out when Harley Quinn replaces and if they coordinate a quickhammer with scum
  
  In case of town!DkKoba/town!Harley Quinn
  
• If this were the case, I'd be dead already. Unless I was scum. I don't think VCA or play suggests this.

I feel like you're attacking me as the weakest link (metaphorically, you're not actually unpleasantly aggressive), but there are several other players who could be voting. I honestly just don't want to give you the satisfaction of getting me to vote town in the off chance DkKoba is town. I'd rather be quickhammered and let DkKoba lose the game for us.

[Looker]

You pretty much spewed me town

I have been spewed town already lol.

Where have I been spewed town? >> This entire day phase multiple times lol.

And "lol" does not relieve you of accountability. You've failed - again - to show where you were spewed town. But thank you for respecting my wishes and responding instead of lurking like a poor sport. I appreciate that from one player to another.

I am not quoting the entire day.

Fortunately, you don't have to - can you show me one post where you were spewed town?

Spoiler: I think "too scummy to be scum" may be how Mathblade defends his partners

too many people scumread the voyc slot for them to be scum.

I think Koba is just in antispew mode at this point

I disagree.
I am town and am never voting Koba as I don’t scumread them. There’s too many people who do.

p-edit: Are you saying that I'm voting DkKoba right now?

[Looker]

So let’s assume you’re town and Koba is town and you did vote Koba.

Looker (T) -> DkKoba (T)
And
DkKoba (T) -> DkKoba (T)

Is this not what I prevented by waiting for the replacement?

We already lose (in theory) if there is not scum in koba/Looker so what does the recurring vote bring?

And agreed.

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Whatever WIFOM ploy or lack thereof you're trying will be washed out in endgame, Math. I respect the hustle, though. And if you're trying to flood the thread to hide points made against you, we'll just re-quote them for the replacement.

[Looker]

Spoiler: I don't

[Looker]

I'm not voting before the replacement in order to prove Harley Quinn isn't the third scum. After that, I'm cool killing Koba, but I won't be the reason town loses.

[Looker]

More cleared slots = better for town

[Looker]

But I feel you know this already...obviously. Just being transparent for everyone.

[Looker]

Circular but I'm mobile so sure: Harley could be scum. If Harley is scum, DkKoba loses for town, not me. I'm comfortable with that. See 3390.

[Looker]

Pretty sure we can clear Harley when they get here. You can vote Koba if you want, though.

I mean, you won't, because then the lack of a quickhammer would implicate you as well, but whatever.

[Looker]

Side note: Did you suddenly quit your 60-70 hour job...?

[Looker]

If they come in and don't immediately hammer, they're town

[Looker]

Or scum with Koba. But more info is better than less info

[Looker]

STD: I can quote stuff later, but pretty much there's confirmed scum between you, me, and DkKoba. Both DkKoba and Mathblade's slots have fakeclaimed IC and Dwlee subsequently revealed.

If you're scum and hammer me, you win, so you not doing so proves you're town. That means the reason I didn't get hammered before you replaced in is because Koba is one of the three remaining scum. Koba was the only one that voted. Math tried to pressure me to vote Koba before you got here. Idk wtf's up with that.

[Looker]

It's been nearly a day, everyone's posted, and still no hammer. STD is either town or scum with Koba, but that would mean Koba would have to be scum regardless.

looker u dont need to keep posting its ok u already won

VOTE: DkKoba

What are the objections other than trying to scapegoat Dwlee?

[Looker]

Happy scumday, you filthy animal

[Looker]

dummies
Second-best objective achieved - game was lost due to someone else. Wasn't it weird that Koba had two votes and wasn't dying? Gg

[Looker]

Spoiler:

Dwlee99 have been revealed as

Innocent Child

DkKoba (Voyc)/Harley Quinn/MegAzumarill

And that's with a B12 and iron deficiency