Open 839: White flag Holder [Game Over]

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Vote Count 1.10

With 14 votes in play, it takes 8 to eliminate.


Toogeloo (5): marcistar,Blood Puppets, Three, Andante, Milk & Mocha,
Milk & Mocha (3): Toogeloo, numberQ, Dwlee99,
Not_Mafia (1): Not_Mafia,
Dwlee99 (1): Harley Quinn,
RH9 (1): Voyc,
numberQ (0):
Harley Quinn (0):
Three (0):
Andante (0):
marcistar (0):
Blood Puppets (0):
ahhlo (0):
Voyc (0):
MegAzumarill (0):

Not Voting

(2): RH9, MegAzumarill,

Deadline:

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Hey everyone! I have work in an hour but did look at VCs. This one stood out to me. I am town and the entire wagon on me was town + jester. So I need to look at why the wagon dissolved.

Has anyone fake voted yet?

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Gun to my head initial impression is Dwlee Quinn Meg probably has at least one scum.
Dwlee because not dead yet
Quinn because they like Dwlee’s posts but based on what’s on this page didn’t consider why Dwlee isn’t dead
Meg because tbeir tone doesn’t match the last game I was with them on

If we could fake vote to determine who should vote that would be great.

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I don't think

M&M/Toog

are Mafia.

Not going to pretend to have great reasons for my vote but I do like this flip.

I townread the people on this wagon more than I do anyone else so.

M&M

, I don't know if 5 hr is enough to shift atp

~taly

This is interesting for Blood Puppet’s last post.
They were correct that both I and M&M were not mafia.
However this doesn’t point to a specific scum unless we look off wagon.

My theory is Blood Puppets was killed to try to preserve a scumread on my slot or M&M.

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What do we gain from a potential town or jester M + M lim here?

obviously i dont believe we get anything out of eliminating jester!mocha. town!mocha, eh, it's a deadline elimination, it's not ideal but frankly i dont even think rh9 is ideal.

Considering mc ester was right on M&M being joker and they flipped the next day scum probably are on the M&M wagon. So lemme grab that.

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Vote Count 3.02

With 10 votes in play, it takes 6 to eliminate.

Milk & Mocha (6): Dwlee99, Firebringer, numberQ, Three, Enchant, Milk & Mocha,
Alyssa The Lamb (0):
Three (0):
Voyc (0):
Enchant (0):
Firebringer (0):
numberQ (0):
Dwlee99 (0):
Harley Quinn (0):
MegAzumarill (0):

Not Voting

(4): Voyc, MegAzumarill, Alyssa The Lamb, Harley Quinn,

Deadline:

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Harley Quinn is on V/LA

So Dwlee, myself (town), numberQ, three (town), Enchant (town) , M&M Jester

So Dwlee and NumberQ look sus as hell.

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VOTE: RH9

Don't think Voyc is happening no matter how many times we beetlejuice them.

Three really wanted Voyc. Need to give them a look over later

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... Anyone can make up reason town fakeclaims IC?

It’s fire lol.
That should be enough reason knowing him.

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Also has IC revealed? I am not asking you to although I think you should here and then control the elim to whoever you want so scum can’t. I don’t see it in mods ISO.

Bye for now will check later

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So final thoughts before work are Dwlee is pretty likely scum at this point. Consider me fake voting them.

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The replacements actually have me pretty lost in this game though. I think to make a real reads list I'll have to skim a few ISOs. And idk if I can do that tonight, so

this.. hasnt been helpful tbh

I lied both can be scum.

NumberQ scum meta is to go I dunno repeatedly in a lot of ways.

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So Dwlee + NumberQ hella likely. Voyc is probably miselim bait

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https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... B%5D=16000

Search for “know” here. You get a shit ton of posts.
There’s another open number was scum in that I can’t find that has a similar pattern.

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Gun to my head last scum is Meg for not being on any wagon end of D1. I really gotta go.

Quinn and Looker haven’t had too much bad pop up in my skim so I guess they are town reads or at least hear them out a lot.

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Based off tone and relaxed posts (also votes within the game), I feel it's Harley, Voyc and Dwlee (could replace Dwlee with MegaZoom, but I feel more toward Dwlee). Galron went v/la as scum last game, so I'm kind of suspicious of that as well (I know, it's an insult, but I'm being honest). Only person to vote Harley was marcistar, who

replaced out and then

died. Harley's the only one to votepark Dwlee. Only person to vote Voyc was Andante, who replaced out and then died, despite Dwlee and Harley saying they want Voyc out. Kinda skimming, so let me know what I've missed or am missing.

Can confirm Galron also went V/LA in a game I was scum with them in but it was for valid reasons. Not sure how that matters as I don’t see Galron in the active player list or replacement list?

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Although why does town firebringer fake ic revealing...?

It’s Firebringer.
He never met a troll post he didn’t try. Probably just didn’t read or forget about the OP.

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Actually your scumread on me is so ridiculous you're probably town, carry on

Why is my scumread of you ridiculous?
You’re very competent as town and not dead.

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I'm on an incompetent streak and spent the whole game tunneled on the jester. That's why I'm not dead

I don’t think so and it’s why I think you’re scum.
What do you agree with what I have pointed out so far? What do you disagree with (besides the conclusion you’re scum)?
Who would you fake vote for?

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Math is giving off weird vibes and I honestly don't know what to make of it

What weird vibes? Elaborate please?

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Maybe not the right term

Weird reads would be better

What’s weird about them?

And considering the previous pattern of not weird elims hitting town or jester all game, weird seems pretty good to me.

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Gun to my head initial impression is Dwlee Quinn Meg probably has at least one scum.
Dwlee because not dead yet
Quinn because they like Dwlee’s posts but based on what’s on this page didn’t consider why Dwlee isn’t dead
Meg because tbeir tone doesn’t match the last game I was with them on

If we could fake vote to determine who should vote that would be great.

Is there a reason you are saying these slots are linked or is your scumreads independent

Both? It’s more just spitballing what game to mind. I don’t have a team formulation yet

Eg NumbersQ and Dwlee should be screaming the other is scum but aren’t. Means one or more is probably scum.

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How that all comes together not sure

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Why do you read voyc as lhf over scum?

Too many scumreads in the brief skim I had.
Either scum intentionally plan to bus and there’d be a lot more caution
Or scum don’t meaning that at least one scum scumreads them.

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Vote Count 3.02

With 10 votes in play, it takes 6 to eliminate.

Milk & Mocha (6): Dwlee99, Firebringer, numberQ, Three, Enchant, Milk & Mocha,
Alyssa The Lamb (0):
Three (0):
Voyc (0):
Enchant (0):
Firebringer (0):
numberQ (0):
Dwlee99 (0):
Harley Quinn (0):
MegAzumarill (0):

Not Voting

(4): Voyc, MegAzumarill, Alyssa The Lamb, Harley Quinn,

Deadline:

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Harley Quinn is on V/LA

So Dwlee, myself (town), numberQ, three (town), Enchant (town) , M&M Jester

So Dwlee and NumberQ look sus as hell.

@Dwlee I already explained why. It’s because of the jester wagon.

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I don’t think so and it’s why I think you’re scum.

You don't think so? You disagree with the easily verifiable fact I 1.) Have lost town games recently by sucking and 2.) That I tunneled the jester?

What do you agree with what I have pointed out so far? What do you disagree with (besides the conclusion you’re scum)?
Who would you fake vote for?

I forget what you said. I think looker is town cause it's Alyssa's slot. I'm looking for two more town. I think at some point I looked at different teams and thought voyc would make sense in a lot. I'd fake vote voyc

I don’t doubt the fact you have recently lost games. Everyone has occasional slumps. I just think you’re better than what’s here and you’re good scum. I don’t think you’re making an honest effort to see my point.

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Here's a real "readlist"

do your own work gl!

Milk & Mocha (0): Jester
Alyssa The Lamb (0): Probly Town
Three (0): Town
Voyc (0): Mafia
Enchant (0): Very Town
Firebringer (0): ??? I'm confused about this person but if I missed someone it's my buddy FB
numberQ (0): Town?
Dwlee99 (0): Town
Harley Quinn (0): Mafia
MegAzumarill (0): Probably Mafia? I dunno really

Tempted to sheep Pooky on other two but really we just need one to get to tomorrow

Why sheep the jester over dead town?

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Actually fuck the T/S thing. I looked back and I don't think those thoughts I mentioned in my last post are going to coalesce into anything. Plus I woke up way too early this morning for a meeting with people in a time zone 6 hours ahead of mine so maybe I just need to simmer on it for a bit more. Probably gonna take a nap after work then try and settle into my review of the game tonight.

GOSH MISELIM IS STRESSING
i dont want to make the wrong choice

tbh i dont have time tonight to dedicate to this and giving out a readslist, will hopefully be able to tomorrow

I don't think your theory holds up really well Meg, I couldn't even check in during that phase, it was so short

Maybe this is just how she talks but the emotion at the start of this post feels manufactured to me. I glanced through Voyc's ISO she does seem to be pressing people and following up in a towny sort of way, but just something about this post is weird to me. Plus I looked through her predecessor's ISO too and datsi strikes me as much scummier.

Anyway that's about all the brain I can muster right now.

That’s a lot of words to excuse not having an opinion on anything despite having 4 complete days to get one.

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I think I'll live into tomorrow just cause pooky wants to fuck with me

@Meg:
No scum dead.
Tunneling the jester
Making excuses why not shot when it’s a vanilla game
Choosing to sheep the jester over town when there’s no PRs.

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I would expect at least one scum on the jester so Imho elimming outside of Dwlee/Numbers/me is a bad elim. (I am town but technically should be in that PoE from an undecided perspective)

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Like Dwlee knows the point I am making when I said it earlier and then tries to then suggest my own point is bad yet they take the time to suggest why they aren’t shot?

Like that’s hella bad and they know it.

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I don't think we should lim M&M anymore, not yet anyway

Like it’s even more sus they don’t want to elim NumberQ.

They want credit for the elim on Milk but yet don’t sus those who distanced. It’s weird.

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Why are you so focused on defense rather than offense?
If my theory is wrong everyone will laugh and go “ha ha it’s math”

Why not push Voyc or whoever you scumread? If you are town then I’d follow.

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Catching up, I’m once again reacessing my reads. I’m starting to rethink my Fire sr, since Math doesn’t feel scummy to me, which makes me now feel a bit better about Meg and has me once again doubting everything. It’s extremely important we get it right and don’t miselim.

It’s very concerning to me that Math is the only one who has bothered to read my posts. Looker has misrepped my play and Dwlee is not reacessing for some reason. I honestly don’t understand why everyone but me is tr that slot. I just have to hope I’m wrong and everyone else is right on them but I don’t think so.

Where’s your fake vote at?

And please excuse my paranoia but why does me being town make you feel better about Meg?

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Why are you so focused on defense rather than offense?
If my theory is wrong everyone will laugh and go “ha ha it’s math”

Why not push Voyc or whoever you scumread? If you are town then I’d follow.

Cause I don't have an amazing case on voyc. I'm evaluating still

You can be town and wrong so yea I'm gonna defend

Then what are you doing to solve the game?

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Why are you so focused on defense rather than offense?
If my theory is wrong everyone will laugh and go “ha ha it’s math”

Why not push Voyc or whoever you scumread? If you are town then I’d follow.

Cause I don't have an amazing case on voyc. I'm evaluating still

You can be town and wrong so yea I'm gonna defend

Why are you so focused on defense rather than offense?
If my theory is wrong everyone will laugh and go “ha ha it’s math”

Why not push Voyc or whoever you scumread? If you are town then I’d follow.

Cause I don't have an amazing case on voyc. I'm evaluating still

You can be town and wrong so yea I'm gonna defend

Then what are you doing to solve the game?

Absolutely nothing

Damn the contradiction is strong with this enby.

@Looker why are you ignoring the Jester wagon after saying you liked my posts? The reason I say this is because your fake vote is off wagon.

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Whoops I meant @HarleyQuinn on the question I was reading Looker’s posts and said the wrong name

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Whoops I meant @HarleyQuinn on the question I was reading Looker’s posts and said the wrong name

Are you saying my fake vote should be on Dwlee or Q?

I am saying that if you want to fake vote outside of Dwlee/Q you need a damn good case because to me it’s at worst a 50/50 and at best we get a scum either way.

However if you put me in the PoE it’s 1/3rd odds.

So if you want Looker or VoyC you need to explain to me why the wagon on the Jester was all town and why that person is scum. It’s a pretty tall order. I am not saying that Looker/Voyc are town or scum, far from it. If we had a miselim left I might pressure vote but we don’t. So I would rather vote where we have the most probable scum and pray for mod prods.

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All scum could certainly be off wagon and I'm thinking mathblade might be scum for forcing this dichotomy

Again you prove my point you’re not reading.

Toog was also on the jester wagon.

If you want to argue I am idiot town and all scum are off wagon then feel free. It’s possible just not probable.
But if you want to argue that I am scum then you need to argue why I suggest this as scum when it narrows the PoE.

Based on responses if Dwlee is scum then Meg or Q are. I don’t see a Dwlee/Meg/Q with that response.

And I would find town more likely to be dejected than scum based on this. So I would argue the more active players > rand have a scum.

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The responses though make me feel it’s Dwlee + Meg + 1 and they planned to miselim Voyc.

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Unless Meg is like “if I have to bus I pick Q”….

Looker (0): >> Prob doesn’t try for Dwlee as scum.
Voyc (0): >> Inactive could be either way but > rand town
Mathblade (0): me town.
numberQ (0):
Dwlee99 (0):
Harley Quinn (0): Townie vibes
MegAzumarill (0):

This kinda leaves Dwlee Number and Meg.

Can someone please validate my thoughts and see if I am wrong somewhere?
Someone other than Dwlee Number or Meg.

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All scum could certainly be off wagon and I'm thinking mathblade might be scum for forcing this dichotomy

Again you prove my point you’re not reading.

Toog was also on the jester wagon.

If you want to argue I am idiot town and all scum are off wagon then feel free. It’s possible just not probable.
But if you want to argue that I am scum then you need to argue why I suggest this as scum when it narrows the PoE.

Based on responses if Dwlee is scum then Meg or Q are. I don’t see a Dwlee/Meg/Q with that response.

And I would find town more likely to be dejected than scum based on this. So I would argue the more active players > rand have a scum.

Just realized this isn’t clear.

Toog (who I and Fire replaced) was on the jester wagon.

You arguing 0 scum on it is kinda TMI.

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Makes me think you’re doing the newbie trick I teach to treat your buddies like masons, that there is no one you want to elim there

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Vote Count 3.02

With 10 votes in play, it takes 6 to eliminate.

Milk & Mocha (6): Dwlee99, Firebringer, numberQ, Three, Enchant, Milk & Mocha,
Alyssa The Lamb (0):
Three (0):
Voyc (0):
Enchant (0):
Firebringer (0):
numberQ (0):
Dwlee99 (0):
Harley Quinn (0):
MegAzumarill (0):

Not Voting

(4): Voyc, MegAzumarill, Alyssa The Lamb, Harley Quinn,

Deadline:

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Harley Quinn is on V/LA

There’s the wagon if anyone needs it.

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Got the order of replace backwards but the point is there. I = FB was on wagon

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All scum could certainly be off wagon and I'm thinking mathblade might be scum for forcing this dichotomy

Again you prove my point you’re not reading.

Toog was also on the jester wagon.

If you want to argue I am idiot town and all scum are off wagon then feel free. It’s possible just not probable.
But if you want to argue that I am scum then you need to argue why I suggest this as scum when it narrows the PoE.

Based on responses if Dwlee is scum then Meg or Q are. I don’t see a Dwlee/Meg/Q with that response.

And I would find town more likely to be dejected than scum based on this. So I would argue the more active players > rand have a scum.

Just realized this isn’t clear.

Toog (who I and Fire replaced) was on the jester wagon.

You arguing 0 scum on it is kinda TMI.

Could be. Not TMI to suggest something that pooky himself suggested (scum avoiding this wagon like the plague)

I bet probably one scum on that wagon at MOST. So this "there has to be scum on wagon" is just dumb. You claim 50/50 if we kill in there, I don't agree. Looking at the actual wagon, me, you, and number are all on there. If one scum that's one in three if there's 1 scum in the wagon, which is worse than random (50/50 cause we won't lim IC cause they reveal if fake voted)

Lol Enby doesn’t treat themselves as town lol

If you were town it would be a scum at most between Q/me which would be a 50/50 shot.

And IC I think should reveal and take control of the day tbh. I understand there’s differing opinions so I will leave it there.

I think it’s pretty clear you’re scum. You’re not able to put yourself as town in a hypothetical.

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*pokes self*

Yep! I still exist. Sometimes I am seemingly irrational like my avatar but eventually circle around to the point.

(This is a joke)

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You’re not able to put yourself as town in a hypothetical.

you're talking about limming someone on the wagon

I'm one of them

wtf

Correct. It’d be 50/50 to you if you’re town.

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The alternative is to explain how that wagon is all town.

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Why wouldn't I include the possibility of limming me?

Because if you’re town you know you’re not scum. So again from your POV it’s 50/50.

And I already stated I am fake voting you so…

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It's only not 50/50 if I assume I'm unlimmable, which is clearly not the case

Lol nice back track
On wagon is: 0/2 = 0% 1/2 = 50% odds or 2/2 = 100% odds
Vs
Off wagon is 0/4 , 1/4, 2/4, 3/4.

It’s pretty likely scum were on the jester wagon early

You haven’t countered the assumption I fail to see a reason I should look elsewhere.

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It’s not about elim ability it’s about probability.

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There are 3 people on the wagon my guy

Right

I think max one of them is scum

That means one in three if people agree that only one of them is scum

If we lim off the wagon and my assumption is right, the odds are 2/4 or 3/4.

Which is higher

Your name is mathblade

You’re assuming I am wrong to prove I am wrong. That’s not how any of this works lmao.
Of course if I am wrong and it’s all town then off wagon is correct, because any percent is greater than 0.

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If you think the wagon on M&M was all town, towncase numberq

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I changed NM but forgot to change toog. That's your slot with five not scum votes on it. What's that about math?

I mean you’re literally proving my point. Scum didn’t want me elimmed.
I know I am town.
They wanted the jester elimmed which is where you and NumberQ are.

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You said the exact thing I did

I—

I'm not talking to you anymore. Voyc needs to intent to vote someone, and then we give that person one post to confirm ic or not, and then voyc votes them.

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Lol that’s not how this works.
Slot ghosted probably that’s NAI.
We judge them by what they bring to the table.

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Or if I have to pick despondent town.

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Idk if you missed it but meg intented to vote voyc

I didn’t. The point applies to Meg as well.
Both of you reek as desperate scum here.

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The way I figure voyc posts or gets replaced.
They’re a non entity because if they’re town I can’t win without them.
So it’s just grandstanding.

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Actually fuck the T/S thing. I looked back and I don't think those thoughts I mentioned in my last post are going to coalesce into anything. Plus I woke up way too early this morning for a meeting with people in a time zone 6 hours ahead of mine so maybe I just need to simmer on it for a bit more. Probably gonna take a nap after work then try and settle into my review of the game tonight.

GOSH MISELIM IS STRESSING
i dont want to make the wrong choice

tbh i dont have time tonight to dedicate to this and giving out a readslist, will hopefully be able to tomorrow

I don't think your theory holds up really well Meg, I couldn't even check in during that phase, it was so short

Maybe this is just how she talks but the emotion at the start of this post feels manufactured to me. I glanced through Voyc's ISO she does seem to be pressing people and following up in a towny sort of way, but just something about this post is weird to me. Plus I looked through her predecessor's ISO too and datsi strikes me as much scummier.

Anyway that's about all the brain I can muster right now.

You want Voyc, Numbers wants Voyc, Meg wants Voyc, iirc one of Harley/Looker wants Voyc if not both.

That’s four people. I am town. Therefore I do not want Voyc as there has to be a scum on it period.

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Based off tone and relaxed posts (also votes within the game), I feel it's Harley, Voyc and Dwlee (could replace Dwlee with MegaZoom, but I feel more toward Dwlee). Galron went v/la as scum last game, so I'm kind of suspicious of that as well (I know, it's an insult, but I'm being honest). Only person to vote Harley was marcistar, who

replaced out and then

died. Harley's the only one to votepark Dwlee. Only person to vote Voyc was Andante, who replaced out and then died, despite Dwlee and Harley saying they want Voyc out. Kinda skimming, so let me know what I've missed or am missing.

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Catching up, I’m once again reacessing my reads. I’m starting to rethink my Fire sr, since Math doesn’t feel scummy to me, which makes me now feel a bit better about Meg and has me once again doubting everything. It’s extremely important we get it right and don’t miselim.

It’s very concerning to me that Math is the only one who has bothered to read my posts. Looker has misrepped my play and Dwlee is not reacessing for some reason. I honestly don’t understand why everyone but me is tr that slot. I just have to hope I’m wrong and everyone else is right on them but I don’t think so.

Where’s your fake vote at?

And please excuse my paranoia but why does me being town make you feel better about Meg?

I would probably fake vote Looker or Voyc. Oh because she defended Fire but I guess I shouldn’t read too much into that. I thought he was scum.

Ooh it was both.

So no one if town should want Voyc.

Kinda feeling Dwlee/Meg/Looker

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Have you heard of bussing

Yes I have but with players inactive there’s 0 reason to.

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Can someone give a good think as to why town fake claims IC and then attempts a rushed vote on someone btw? I'm realizing maybe we're being silly and FB just scum-claimed and anti-associated HQ with it.

Because it’s Firebringer. It’s what he does. If it was me I would agree with you.

But realistically you’re attributing trollish behavior as scummy rather than just looking at facts.

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Have you heard of bussing

Yes I have but with players inactive there’s 0 reason to.

Are you saying you think there's no chance that scum could be bussing their buddy that literally isn't here.
Scum need 1 mislim and they don't particularly care when.
Any move that obfuscates their alignment is viable

Correct. There’s no reason to.
They just let time lapse.
Very unlikely Voyc is a bus.

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How is it troll and not just straight up gamethrowing as town to fake reveal IC and try to shove a lim through before you're confirmed not confirmed?

I don’t believe in disparaging a player who is not here but if you believe FB game threw that’s for you and the mods to talk out. I happen to know FB and know I am town and the fact you’re trying to pick at minutia rather than argue I am scum is almost a scum claim.

The most reasonable responses are troll and trying to take a bullet.
If FB was scum there the real IC just goes “nuh uh” and FB dies.

I doubt any scum does that ever.

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How is it troll and not just straight up gamethrowing as town to fake reveal IC and try to shove a lim through before you're confirmed not confirmed?

I don’t believe in disparaging a player who is not here but if you believe FB game threw that’s for you and the mods to talk out. I happen to know FB and know I am town and the fact you’re trying to pick at minutia rather than argue I am scum is almost a scum claim.

The most reasonable responses are troll and trying to take a bullet.
If FB was scum there the real IC just goes “nuh uh” and FB dies.

I doubt any scum does that ever.

Minutia like your slot literally fake claiming IC and then trying to get a lim through before mod came? How is that minutia...

Because it is.
You’re picking something you don’t like vs scummy.

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Woke up 10 minutes ago after being sick yesterday, so I glazed over the 2-3 pages I had to catch up on. There were a lot of statistics and theories thrown out by Math and Dwlee and that is not the kind of content just-woke-up/sick brain should be analyzing.

MathBlade deflecting Dwlee's argument that FB could be scum feels a lot like the way he protected his scum buddies in Squid Game. Why can't troll!FB also be scum!FB? imo it's a mistake to flat out refuse the possibility.

Wasn’t he distancing his buddies in that game? Or was it just SS?

To be fair I didn’t view that as mafia and just did whatever

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Well at any rate, comparing your FB read to how you treated buddies doesn’t really make a lot of sense considering FB is the same slot. Because there have been zero scumflips, we have no associatives.

I think this game is stalled until Voyc actually does something, because it’s elo and they’re holding up the game. Wrt FB, I initially thought he was trying to drive a miselim on me but on reread, it looked like he was trying to see who would jump on me since he unvoted.

It’s kinda silly because I have so many games you can argue almost anything.
I am not saying a person can’t scumread me but at least make an argument.

[MathBlade]

No, I was joking that maybe I'm the scum. Dwlee looks more suspicious from interaction with Mathblade, but I don't want to blindly trust Math just because they're using logic. Harley's responses to me were good but that doesn't really prove anything. I'm just posting so I don't get fined.

You may be joking but I find it highly probable you are scum.

[MathBlade]

Why do you think Dwlee is +scum with the Math interaction? I keep going back and forth on who I think looks worse out of those 2, and currently it's Math because I'm just not vibing with any of his logic.

What logic are you not vibing with?

Is it that the jester wagon has at least one scum on it? Then by PoE if you’re town you think one of Dwlee or I are scum. Based on the dichotomy you asked about that seems like you vibe with my logic and is a contradiction.

Fake vote Unvote

You both make it hard to decide between you.

[MathBlade]

Why do you think Dwlee is +scum with the Math interaction? I keep going back and forth on who I think looks worse out of those 2, and currently it's Math because I'm just not vibing with any of his logic.

What logic are you not vibing with?

Is it that the jester wagon has at least one scum on it? Then by PoE if you’re town you think one of Dwlee or I are scum. Based on the dichotomy you asked about that seems like you vibe with my logic and is a contradiction.

Fake vote Unvote

You both make it hard to decide between you.

It's logic exactly like this I don't vibe with. Me thinking one of you looks worse than the other coming out of an interaction does NOT directly imply that I agree with your PoE. I think the jester wagon analysis is of minimal use because scum didn't know who was jester either.

And I'm still getting a bad smell from the meta argument you used to shade me.

Why do you think Dwlee is +scum with the Math interaction? I keep going back and forth on who I think looks worse out of those 2, and currently it's Math because I'm just not vibing with any of his logic.

What logic are you not vibing with?

Is it that the jester wagon has at least one scum on it? Then by PoE if you’re town you think one of Dwlee or I are scum. Based on the dichotomy you asked about that seems like you vibe with my logic and is a contradiction.

Fake vote Unvote

You both make it hard to decide between you.

This post looks pretty townie.

How is the quoted post townie? It's more dodgy logic, then he fake unvotes which is, uh, fake.

I mean it does.
If you think there is a scum in me / Dwlee then by de facto you agree a scum was on the jester.
If you don’t think there is a scum in me/Dwlee then there is no scum from your POV on the wagon.

So the question is do you think there is a scum on that wagon? What are your thoughts about the initial few days?

[MathBlade]

Vote Count 5.02

With 7 votes in play, it takes 4 to eliminate.

Looker (0):
Voyc (0):
Mathblade (0):
numberQ (0):
Dwlee99 (0):
Harley Quinn (0):
MegAzumarill (0):

Not Voting

(7): Voyc, Looker, Mathblade, Dwlee99, MegAzumarill, Harley Quinn, numberQ,

Deadline:

(expired on 2022-01-26 16:00:00)

Spoiler: Replacement guide

Not_Mafia->Alyssa The Lamb->Looker
Andante->mc esther
kunchi->ahhlo->Enchant
datsi->Voyc
DArby->Harley Quinn
Toogeloo->Firebringer->Mathblade

Voyc is being replaced

Hopefully, this won’t take two whole days because we need that slot to post before we decide on a vote.

Agreed. I think you’re kind of my lock town. I don’t see you as scum.

[MathBlade]

Everyone imagine themselves in the dead thread

You watched someone claim IC and try to get enchant (flipped town) and me to vote for someone before the mod didn't confirm the reveal.

Would you not be supremely confused figuring out why this is being ignored

It’s not being ignored it’s just not AI for Firebringer. It would be AI if I did it. But as I said FB trolls/gambits. It’s acknowledged but not scummy.

[MathBlade]

I'm convinced it's fake because it's literally fake lol. I wasn't commenting on his intentions behind it, just saying that I don't see that much utility in doing the whole fake vote thing. I guess it's just a finger of suspicion of sorts.

As for who I would NOT vote, I think Looker at the moment. I don't really have any strong TRs but I have the least reason to SR Looker iirc. Phone posting right now so I'm mostly going from memory of how their posting has made me feel.

This post is ugly. Looker is pretty low on my PoE.

[MathBlade]

Lol

Looker’s practically scumclaiming here.

Do you think the scum team is me Harley and Voyc? That’s the only way voting me or anyone makes any sort of sense. I hope the deadline freezes but there’s not much that can be done until replacements happen.

[MathBlade]

Also can you explain why saying a post is ugly is rude please? I am attacking the post not you.

[MathBlade]

I mean um yeah I'm the real IC B)

I'm gonna take that as a no though

You can’t lose your planned miselim right?

As I said before this is elo, too many people scumread the voyc slot for them to be scum. I figure all Koba has to do is reveal then elim in Dwlee/NumberQ/Meg/Looker as that should contain all the scum. One of those people is town mathematically but that PoE likely contains all the scum.

All they have to do is look at the prior VCs and they’ll see the arguments I have and boom this game is solved we just need Harley Quinn replaced so we can elim a scum.

[MathBlade]

The firebringer slot fake claimed IC and then got replaced for it, so probably not koba

I mean um yeah I'm the real IC B)

I'm gonna take that as a no though

You can’t lose your planned miselim right?

As I said before this is elo, too many people scumread the voyc slot for them to be scum. I figure all Koba has to do is reveal then elim in Dwlee/NumberQ/Meg/Looker as that should contain all the scum. One of those people is town mathematically but that PoE likely contains all the scum.

All they have to do is look at the prior VCs and they’ll see the arguments I have and boom this game is solved we just need Harley Quinn replaced so we can elim a scum.

can i trust you

I think you can and you should but it’s elo.

[MathBlade]

The firebringer slot fake claimed IC and then got replaced for it, so probably not koba

Firebringer got replaced for saying the phrase. Long as there is no counter claim Koba is the IC.

[MathBlade]

I mean um yeah I'm the real IC B)

Pretty sure this is them saying they’re the IC, Mixter.

[MathBlade]

who is firebringer slot i dont see it in OP

Me

[MathBlade]

no im not but if i get replaced thatd be hilarious and make this game more cursed

Oh. I still think you’re town. I wonder why IC hasn’t revealed then this is elo and they should be in charge.

[MathBlade]

The way I figure is if IC reveals (if you disagree then don’t reply this is so people can see my thoughts)
Then in essence the IC determines who we eliminate.
There’s no way scum can suggest a different wagon because for the wagon to succeed it would have to have scum.

Then if we hit scum then scum have to decide if they kill the IC to avoid the dilemma that was present today or kill the person with the best scumreads.

IC revealing at this point is very pro town.

[MathBlade]

I think Koba is just in antispew mode at this point

I disagree.
I am town and am never voting Koba as I don’t scumread them. There’s too many people who do.

[MathBlade]

Once the IC reveals and says we are elimming X being elsewhere is a scum claim and then we have enough to get the elim through in 2 days as timer is still going

[MathBlade]

wait i understand why fake revealing is banned

bc jester can do it to fake reveal and confirm not IC to dodge nightkill lol

There’s other reasons too imho but FB did his fake reveal after jester was dead.

[MathBlade]

dwlee, vote me if you're so confident i wanna 1v1 u :3

Can we like just wait for the IC? Please.

I do think Dwlee is scum but if 24 hours are left in the day I will vote somewhere so we have a shot

[MathBlade]

if harley isnt ic i think they are mafia :3

Why? They’re my top townread besides you and they’re being replaced.

[MathBlade]

MathBlade can you make an ordered reads list please

Town -> Voyc (by scumreads), Harley Quinn (by reads and tone)
Scum PoE -> Dwlee/Numbers/Meg/Looker

Ordering that PoE I don’t know. I keep running through the possibilities I know one has to be town but it’s more a race to the bottom as I try to figure out the remaining town.

[MathBlade]

if harley isnt ic i think they are mafia :3

Why? They’re my top townread besides you and they’re being replaced.

vibes

I would disagree. I don’t believe in alt outing but if they are who I think they are then I taught them how to scum and they aren’t showing any hallmarks of my scum play unless they have developed their own meta.

[MathBlade]

tell us more dwlee

r u hq

They are voyc

[MathBlade]

if harley isnt ic i think they are mafia :3

Why? They’re my top townread besides you and they’re being replaced.

vibes

I would disagree. I don’t believe in alt outing but if they are who I think they are then I taught them how to scum and they aren’t showing any hallmarks of my scum play unless they have developed their own meta.

they're confirmed to be nancy drew from the ban post its ok

Yeah I taught them good scum play in heroes.
They aren’t mirroring that at all.
So based on that I don’t think the HQ slot is scum.

[MathBlade]

I reveal myself

As promised who is the elim Mixter?

My solve is Numbers/Meg/Looker.

[MathBlade]

Because you’re the town of that group my preferred elim is Numbers as there would be a scum on the jester elim

[MathBlade]

I'm annoyed

Now I have to try to solve the whole thing today

Done for you.
It’s Numbers Meg and Looker pretty damn sure

[MathBlade]

Because you’re the town of that group my preferred elim is Numbers as there would be a scum on the jester elim

Why does there HAVE to be scum on the jester wagon

Premise 0: I am town from my role PM.
Premise 1: There was an all town wagon on me earlier at the same time Milk and Mocha (jester) was being wagoned. This means scum did not want me elimmed. (Will grab the VC in a second on mobile) this will be a multipost

[MathBlade]

intent to vote harley quinn

That’s literal gamethrowing
We vote whoever Dwlee says as we need them on wagon.
It’s difficult enough to do this on mobile

[MathBlade]

intent to vote harley quinn

That’s literal gamethrowing
We vote whoever Dwlee says as we need them on wagon.
It’s difficult enough to do this on mobile

[MathBlade]

forcing a 50/50 is better info than just sheeping IC :/

It’s not.

There’s four town left. IC and me and two others.

Any wagon that has a shot in hell has to have Dwlee on it. So they should decide

[MathBlade]

Vote Count 1.10

With 14 votes in play, it takes 8 to eliminate.


Toogeloo (5): marcistar,Blood Puppets, Three, Andante, Milk & Mocha,
Milk & Mocha (3): Toogeloo, numberQ, Dwlee99,
Not_Mafia (1): Not_Mafia,
Dwlee99 (1): Harley Quinn,
RH9 (1): Voyc,
numberQ (0):
Harley Quinn (0):
Three (0):
Andante (0):
marcistar (0):
Blood Puppets (0):
ahhlo (0):
Voyc (0):
MegAzumarill (0):

Not Voting

(2): RH9, MegAzumarill,

Deadline:

(expired on 2021-12-26 15:45:40)

The wagon on me here is all town.
Scum to me are in Dwlee, numbers, Harley Quinn, Meg, Not Mafia (Looker)
Not Mafia is a memeing jokester who commonly flakes as scum (he forgot the NK in a game were I was traitor and it went epically bad)

So then if scum aren’t on the wagon it’s tantamount to doing nothing.
Even if you assume me scum scum weren’t trying to get credit for bussing me or trying to form a counter wagon.
This indicates they are fine with the gamestate so there’s likely a scum on Mocha.

[MathBlade]

All town + jester*

[MathBlade]

Removing you means Numbers HAS to be scum. Like if Numbers isn’t scum scum didn’t play the fuckin game

[MathBlade]

forcing a 50/50 is better info than just sheeping IC :/

It’s not.

There’s four town left. IC and me and two others.

Any wagon that has a shot in hell has to have Dwlee on it. So they should decide

dwlee can still vote?

the first 2 votes dont need to include IC tho LMFAO

Yes they can but the wagon should be town driven
Any wagon that doesn’t come from them has a possibility of being scum driven from any town player’s perspective. So Dwlee should determine the elim as they have to be on it.

[MathBlade]

if its scum driven you get ... a 50/50 that has guaranteed scum

Or we get a TVT shitshow that Dwlee wants no part of.
Like the proper strategy is to wait on them.

Going to goof off until they vote or ask me another question.
If you vote anyone my TR of you disappears.

[MathBlade]

Oh before I go (no I haven't left my apartment yet lol) I believe the punishment for fake claiming IC was supposed to be a modkill but firebringer was force replaced instead.

The punishment is not specified in the OP.
I can’t guess why the mod does what they do.

[MathBlade]

Mathblade can you actually solve, I don't have perfect reads even being confirmed + your slot is in contention so town tell or something

I did solve its in my prior post
Numbers/Meg/Looker

[MathBlade]

If I was voting today I would do Numbers.

[MathBlade]

CAN WE GET MOD CONFIRMATION ON IC REVEAL?

Thank God, we can move forward once that's done.

I doubt it’s fake
Dwlee wouldn’t fake it after acknowledging that my slot was force replaced for doing it.

[MathBlade]

Yeah but DKKoba did the same thing and none of this is making sense, so I'll wait.

No they didn’t. I don’t think they said the trigger phrase?

[MathBlade]

Dwlee99 have been revealed as

Innocent Child

Bahhh I am your sheep Dwlee.

[MathBlade]

What exactly are you arguing is a PT slip Koba?

[MathBlade]

Well after reading the 8 pages or so since I was last caught up, the main thing I got out of it was that Math is still scum. It's incredibly obvious to me how fake his confidence is. He's pushing this "logical" narrative like it's the only possibility but it falls apart without the axiom that he's town.

Lol.

Putting logic in quotes because you don’t get it is scummy AF.

There is at least one scum on the Jester wagon is a Boolean statement.
It is either true or false.
If false: What were scum doing?
If true then from an outsider’s perspective either you or I are scum or both.

It’s much more probable that you’re scum than an all town wagon on Milk and Mocha.

It’s really that simple.

[MathBlade]

Dwlee -> Not sure either? I think Koba is saying because that comment is so random? I think Looker+Numbers is kinda confirmed

Well after reading the 8 pages or so since I was last caught up, the main thing I got out of it was that Math is still scum. It's incredibly obvious to me how fake his confidence is. He's pushing this "logical" narrative like it's the only possibility but it falls apart without the axiom that he's town.

Lol.

Putting logic in quotes because you don’t get it is scummy AF.

There is at least one scum on the Jester wagon is a Boolean statement.
It is either true or false.
If false: What were scum doing?
If true then from an outsider’s perspective either you or I are scum or both.

It’s much more probable that you’re scum than an all town wagon on Milk and Mocha.

It’s really that simple.

Misrepresenting my qualms with your logic as me not getting it is scummy AF. Toogeloo was scummy. Firebringer fake claimed IC which is scummy. You are misrepresenting and glossing over points that don't suit you, which is scummy. This slot is scum.

btw if it hasn't been clear, I have intent to vote Math. I was going to say I'll do it if we get down to <24 hours without further consensus but it looks like the deadline is postponed again, so idk.

So you’d vote me over spewed scum?
You’re telling me you can’t answer yes or no questions?
This is what you’re saying.
You’re welcome to reach a different conclusion but the “I don’t get it” when I just ask a simple yes/no question and that’s it is pretty terrible.

You pretty much spewed me town, Dwlee is IC, you and Looker are dead to rights. It’s a matter of whether the third is Meg or Koba. Koba might be scum based on attempting to bus Looker in a terrible way but strategy says it’s Meg.

Pretty much likely down to Harley Quinn replacement to solve that I think.

[MathBlade]

I mean Looker. Kinda obvious. The Firebringer fake claiming has been discussed ad nauseum. Nothing new to add. It’s NAI as I said.
Do you think there is a scum on the Jester wagon? You never answered that before Dwlee flipped IC. Then you attack me after. You know you’re dead and caught.I provided a step by step how I got there and you ignored it.

You are in such a state of conflict. If you disagreed with me, you’d be townreading me as town derp. If you agree with me then I am the scum on the wagon fypov. You cannot both disagree and say I am scum. It doesn’t logically follow.

[MathBlade]

You’re expressing frustration over being “caught for the wrong reasons” or moon logic.

Your post here with the anger tells me you’re not reading.

[MathBlade]

Who do you think is scum out of Meg and Koba Numbers?

[MathBlade]

Lack of quickhammer isn't actually applicable because a slot is being replaced. (Except if that slot is the one not being quickhammered)

Still wanna vote the Koba slot though

Why Koba over Numbers or Looker?

[MathBlade]

The anger is coming from your extreme arrogance. You accuse me of ignoring things or not reading, but then you put words in my mouth and ignore things I've said.

I answered your question about scum being on the jester wagon here, with the caveat that the question itself is leading and slippery. I do think there was scum on it, because I think you are scum. But I do NOT think there

had

to be scum on it. In other words, I disagree with your reasoning that an all town wagon was unlikely. I'm saying I have other reasons to scumread you, it has little if anything to do with the wagon itself. I don't know how many different ways I can explain this.

You’re expressing frustration over being “caught for the wrong reasons” or moon logic.

Your post here with the anger tells me you’re not reading.

Is there a point to posts like this beyond provoking an emotional reaction out of me? You're literally just making up reasons for me being frustrated while completely disregarding what I'm saying.

Who do you think is scum out of Meg and Koba Numbers?

More likely Meg, but I feel like I always scumread Meg in every game. Koba/Voyc haven't given me many scum vibes though.

Except this still isn’t an explanation.
This is the same logical contradiction. Just with anger on it.

You can’t argue I am both scum and no scum on the wagon.
So if you think I am scum then there has to be scum on the wagon, as it would be me.

If you argue no scum you again dodged the question of what scum would be doing.
At this point it’s no longer productive to keep engaging as I don’t believe this is in good faith.

You should be able to follow the yes no map based on knowing you then do what is asked.

Imho Numbers and Looker are both scum and almost nothing will change my mind.

[MathBlade]

Not sure on numbers/you and Looker was the Alyssa slot which was pretty solidly townie and I don't dislike their content here

You don’t dislike Looker’s possible scumslip?

[MathBlade]

Doesnt seem like it to me? Koba brought it up and it is a pretty valid point.

Why did you bring up a sandwich randomly?
It’s not a crumb as we are all vanilla.

[MathBlade]

The arguement of whether there was scum on the Jester wagon that numberq is arguing is that there doesn't have to be scum on the Jester wagon necessarily. If there is it is coincidental. At least that's how I read it and it seems like that is his point

And as I said earlier in my prior arguments that is a possibility logically but it’s very remote and asked if Numbers was pitching that world what scum were doing.

[MathBlade]

A point Numbers has ignored 3-4 times now

[MathBlade]

At some point I have to guess and I take the 90% shot Numbers is scum every time here.

[MathBlade]

Math you miss that literally every player would have voted jester there.
The ones that did were the ones that voted first up until it would've been E-1

Correct. This gives scum a place to hide.
If scum didn’t take the place to hide that gives them a massive boost of removing the have to have two scum alive what were they doing?

[MathBlade]

So no it follows scum were on the jester wagon. There would be no other wagon they’d want more so at least one scum has to be on it, and it’s Numbers.

[MathBlade]

I don't think you're gonna end up convincing anyone that doesn't already think that way with that arguement so I'd suggest you still drop it.

Use it as a reason to scumread numberQ, sure. But try to build a case beside it

That’s the beauty of it.
Harley Quinn saw it and I have faith the replacement will too.

It doesn’t get much simpler than scum are on that wagon.
If you can’t provide a better theory than what is 90% likely then I just don’t care.

We only have one elim today and I have 1 if not 2 scum.
That’s all that we can do today.

[MathBlade]

Either you or Koba are the likely last scum with Numbers and Looker.
So I am not aiming to convince scum, I am aiming to convince town.

[MathBlade]

Why are you so focused on defense rather than offense?
If my theory is wrong everyone will laugh and go “ha ha it’s math”

Why not push Voyc or whoever you scumread? If you are town then I’d follow.

Cause I don't have an amazing case on voyc. I'm evaluating still

You can be town and wrong so yea I'm gonna defend

Why are you so focused on defense rather than offense?
If my theory is wrong everyone will laugh and go “ha ha it’s math”

Why not push Voyc or whoever you scumread? If you are town then I’d follow.

Cause I don't have an amazing case on voyc. I'm evaluating still

You can be town and wrong so yea I'm gonna defend

Then what are you doing to solve the game?

Absolutely nothing

Damn the contradiction is strong with this enby.

@Looker why are you ignoring the Jester wagon after saying you liked my posts? The reason I say this is because your fake vote is off wagon.

Started suspecting them here.
Their voting pattern doesn’t match what they are saying.
And most of their posts don’t seem to follow a train of recognizable thought.

[MathBlade]

Catching up, I’m once again reacessing my reads. I’m starting to rethink my Fire sr, since Math doesn’t feel scummy to me, which makes me now feel a bit better about Meg and has me once again doubting everything. It’s extremely important we get it right and don’t miselim.

It’s very concerning to me that Math is the only one who has bothered to read my posts. Looker has misrepped my play and Dwlee is not reacessing for some reason. I honestly don’t understand why everyone but me is tr that slot. I just have to hope I’m wrong and everyone else is right on them but I don’t think so.

Where’s your fake vote at?

And please excuse my paranoia but why does me being town make you feel better about Meg?

I would probably fake vote Looker or Voyc. Oh because she defended Fire but I guess I shouldn’t read too much into that. I thought he was scum.

Ooh it was both.

So no one if town should want Voyc.

Kinda feeling Dwlee/Meg/Looker

Wrong post my bad
I am on my phone

[MathBlade]

Looker was a posts kept getting worse and worse read and with that on the end, I am pretty confident Looker is scum especially if it’s Numbers/Meg/Looker.

Meg would have to argue that it’s exactly me Koba and Quinn to keep her reads and she just isn’t. So Meg is more likely scum than Koba and also doesn’t answer what scum were doing if not on the jester wagon.

[MathBlade]

Dwlee99 have been revealed as

Innocent Child

DkKoba (Voyc)/Harley Quinn/MegAzumarill

I don't like that both Mathfire's and DkKobaVoyc's slots fakeclaimed IC (Voyc didn't strike me as very impactful, either, and - much like Quinn and Meg - voted predominantly town). Willing to vote Quinn as potential scum to ease burden of replacement. Meg is paranoia.

@IC: Can I vote? As in, are you ready to die?

Is this because I flipped from Dwlee to you?

Also, was DkKoba trying to normalize IC fakeclaims to make Firebringer look less scummy?

Also, also, has no one really meta'd me to see where the sandwich came from? Can that desperation be recognized in other visual behaviors? (The last sentence is admittedly kind of paranoid)

This doesn’t make any sense.

Either A> Looker is sussing the IC which is bad
Or B> He says it’s me + Koba + Numbers
In which case he’d help me bus numbers but isn’t

The sandwich thing also contributes

[MathBlade]

Looker was a posts kept getting worse and worse read and with that on the end, I am pretty confident Looker is scum especially if it’s Numbers/Meg/Looker.

Are you sure it's not because you kept asking me about sandwiches...? Or because we've had two slots fakeclaim IC and are waiting for a replacement to elim one of them...?

Koba’s the only one that can possibly be scum though.

I have been spewed town already lol.

And it’s Koba
They do bad tunnels

So it’s realistically Numbers/Looker/Meg

[MathBlade]

I thought all this discussion was a formality. Are we not elimming DkKoba/MathFireBladeBringer when Harley Quinn is replaced?

p-edit: Sussing how? Can you explain? And where did Numbers come from?

Lmao this is comedic gold
I quoted the post where you list three scum after Dwlee reveals and they’re in it

And no, it’s not a formality.
The answer was is and always will be Dwlee votes and that person dies period.

We need Dwlee on the elim and so they decide.

[MathBlade]

But what if Dwlee is wrong? Cry the scum
Then we lose and would have lost anyway.

[MathBlade]

Like I mean their solve is pretty bad. Quinn was obv town and Voyc had too many people sussing them and bussing in elo is silly so there’s two town. Rule of three means meg is the scum in Looker’s PoE

[MathBlade]

In this I agree it is in circles.
It will come down to Dwlee regardless of replacement.

[MathBlade]

Fake vote looker. I am here ish just have lots of work shit.

Just making sure Dwlee has no more questions for me.

Numbers feels like they did the same thing for the 100th time so since it’s Koba v Looker engaging Numbers is no longer productive.

[MathBlade]

meg knows i am impulsive as town

them trying to frame me as scum for it is frankly ridiculous

Mechanically not waiting for the replacement or Dwlee’s vote is pretty scummy. Why didn’t you wait?

[MathBlade]

I am about to go to work so I don’t have time for in-depth questions sorry. I can get to it later.
You’re not hammered because either you’re scum or it requires all scum not on you to vote you.

Also still haven’t discounted possibly wrong on Meg and this is a bus.

[MathBlade]

But I posted them forever ago

And I have been doing 60-70 hour weeks.

So the last thing I want to do is more casing when it doesn’t seem anyone reads it and you’re not going to say you’re scum in thread. So I would rather not do busywork but if I am ever not exhausted I will. The facts stand for themselves.

[MathBlade]

meg knows i am impulsive as town

them trying to frame me as scum for it is frankly ridiculous

Mechanically not waiting for the replacement or Dwlee’s vote is pretty scummy. Why didn’t you wait?

its scummy for you

I am not you.

It’s scummy for everyone but scummy doesn’t always equal scum.

Now instead of confirmed town having control of the game it’s in an unknown’s hands.

Not only that we’re voting off wagon from where there is almost assuredly a scum.

[MathBlade]

Looker why haven’t you voted Koba?

If Koba is town then if you’re town then scum could hammer you just as easily as Koba.
If Koba is scum then if you’re town it’s the right vote.

Those are the only two possibilities worth asking about as the “if you’re scum” options you won’t admit to.

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Vote Count 2.04

With 12 votes in play, it takes 7 to eliminate.

RH9 (4): Milk & Mocha, numberQ, Three, Voyc,
numberQ (1): Firebringer,
Milk & Mocha (1): Dwlee99,
Alyssa The Lamb (1): Harley Quinn,
Enchnat (1): Alyssa The Lamb,
Voyc (1): Andante,
Firebringer (0):
Andante (0):
Dwlee99 (0):
Harley Quinn (0):
Three (0):
MegAzumarill (0):

Not Voting

(3): RH9, MegAzumarill, Enchant,

Deadline:

(expired on 2022-01-05 19:00:00)

Harley Quinn on V/LA

Vote Count 2.06

With 12 votes in play, it takes 7 to eliminate.

RH9 (5): numberQ, Three, Voyc, Enchant, MegAzumarill,
Alyssa The Lamb (2): Harley Quinn, Firebringer,
Voyc (1): Andante,
Milk & Mocha (1): Dwlee99,
Three (1): Alyssa The Lamb,
Firebringer (0):
Enchnat (0):
numberQ (0):
Andante (0):
Dwlee99 (0):
Harley Quinn (0):
MegAzumarill (0):

Not Voting

(2): RH9, Milk & Mocha,

Deadline:

Postponed

Harley Quinn is on V/LA and the most active around here.

Your voting pattern, took me a minute to ISO on my phone.

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Where have I been spewed town? >> This entire day phase multiple times lol.

Already quoted. Not repeating the same thing again.

And it’s not about “worth” I don’t view people as more or less worthy to play with, I despise that implication. I never, ever lie about RL as any alignment.

The fact you aren’t voting Koba lends credence to a possible bus. Are you going to do the protown thing and vote Koba?

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I thought all this discussion was a formality. Are we not elimming DkKoba/MathFireBladeBringer when Harley Quinn is replaced?

p-edit: Sussing how? Can you explain? And where did Numbers come from?

Lmao this is comedic gold
I quoted the post where you list three scum after Dwlee reveals and they’re in it

And no, it’s not a formality.
The answer was is and always will be Dwlee votes and that person dies period.

We need Dwlee on the elim and so they decide.

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And "lol" does not relieve you of accountability. You've failed - again - to show where you were spewed town. But thank you for respecting my wishes and responding instead of lurking like a poor sport. I appreciate that from one player to another.

I am not quoting the entire day.

I think you don’t understand how elo give and pulls work and I don’t have time to explain.

Numbers is lock scum because of Koba’s vote

If Koba is scum (the position you’re forced to hold and why your lack of vote is sus) then the vote comes from a reason. That means a defense of another person and the only person being pushed hard is Numbers by me.

If Koba is town then they genuinely believe you are scum. Then they have said that I am right on my reads which again makes me de facto town.

So there’s no angle for scum to push me successfully.

A good elo game is about pushing people and seeing what angles do and don’t come out.

Quinn’s was good so this should be a matter of if Koba is bussing you.

I cannot quote the day but you should be selling Koba scum if you’re town rather than trying to assail the unassaible. It’s fruitless.

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The lack of vote on Koba is pretty much a scum claim to me I am just wondering more why at this point.

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It doesn’t? I fail to see your point.

You have stated this but fypov if you were town Koba would be lock scum. There’s no other possibility.

If Koba is town voting you you should be trying to convince them they are wrong. Sure if Quinn is scum (which I doubt) scum can’t quick hammer right now but with Koba you voting town you an elim would be impossible. Instead you’re more focused on me which is again curious.

The more you resist the more a bus is probable here.

And this is a new question after I answered yours now you’re dodging mine

If you’re town based on elo rules you should be voting Koba. Why aren’t you?
If you say it’s because Koba could be town why aren’t you trying to save the game here?

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There’s no agency and you’re intentionally trying to get a ride out of me versus attacking Koba. What do you make of this Koba?

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Also... (since I've already stated that, due to me not being hammered, scum has to be myself, DkKoba, or Harley Quinn)

• In case of scum!DkKoba/scum!Harley Quinn
  
• Nothing can be accomplished until town votes me.
  
  In case of scum!DkKoba/town!Harley Quinn
  
• Same. Nothing can be done until town votes me.
  
  In case of town!DkKoba/scum!Harley Quinn
  
• I'd rather DkKoba lose the game than me. We'll figure this out when Harley Quinn replaces and if they coordinate a quickhammer with scum
  
  In case of town!DkKoba/town!Harley Quinn
  
• If this were the case, I'd be dead already. Unless I was scum. I don't think VCA or play suggests this.

I feel like you're attacking me as the weakest link (metaphorically, you're not actually unpleasantly aggressive), but there are several other players who could be voting. I honestly just don't want to give you the satisfaction of getting me to vote town in the off chance DkKoba is town. I'd rather be quickhammered and let DkKoba lose the game for us.

And this here is why you’re not town.

If Koba is town voting town then town you is already voting town. Scum don’t care which town to eliminate. So you voting Koba in that case doesn’t harm town any because then they just pick which wagon.

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I mean you even put what I said in red? Like you’re quoting my posts but not seeing what needs a response.

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So if you’re town you’d be cross voting Koba but you aren’t.

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So let’s assume you’re town and Koba is town and you did vote Koba.

Looker (T) -> DkKoba (T)
And
DkKoba (T) -> DkKoba (T)

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Ugh fuck my phone

The point is there would be two wagons both of which on town for scum to pick from

So in elo you always cross vote or it’s a scum claim

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So let’s assume you’re town and Koba is town and you did vote Koba.

Looker (T) -> DkKoba (T)
And
DkKoba (T) -> DkKoba (T)

Is this not what I prevented by waiting for the replacement?

We already lose (in theory) if there is not scum in koba/Looker so what does the recurring vote bring?

And agreed.

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Whatever WIFOM ploy or lack thereof you're trying will be washed out in endgame, Math. I respect the hustle, though. And if you're trying to flood the thread to hide points made against you, we'll just re-quote them for the replacement.

The replacement has no impact.

If you’re town and Koba town, scum win by one of three ways
A> Voting Koba out
B> Voting Looker out
C> No elim

If you’re town and Koba scum, scum win by two ways
A> Voting Looker
B> No elim
And lose one of one way
A> Voting Koba

The only possible elims today are Koba and you.

So then you should be cross voting as every town has to be on a scum elim.

If you’re scum then by all means continue not voting and you become policy

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Because it’s elo Koba’s vote is locked and unvoting is a scum claim. Koba is experienced enough to know

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Koba help my paranoia this isn’t a bad bus please?

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Again if you’re town waiting has no purpose.

If Harley Quinn is scum and DkKoba town then scum just pile on you. Then it’s still gg

I don’t think you’re understanding.

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I'm not voting before the replacement in order to prove Harley Quinn isn't the third scum. After that, I'm cool killing Koba, but I won't be the reason town loses.

All this does is prove that one or more of you or Koba is scum.

You should 100% be cross voting Koba here

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Circular but I'm mobile so sure: Harley could be scum. If Harley is scum, DkKoba loses for town, not me. I'm comfortable with that. See 3390.

Omg I refuse to believe you are town at this point.
This is a team game. If it’s TvT we lost the moment Koba voted you. This isn’t about “who” loses the game it’s about the best shot at winning. From your town POV the only way we win is if Koba is scum. Because if Koba is town you town has lost no matter what.

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Side note: Did you suddenly quit your 60-70 hour job...?

No. I just had more breaks today. *glares*

This is really crossing a line here Looker.

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Why are you talking about Gamma?

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datsi = gamma

Today I learned. Wow. Good to know.

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Still don’t get why Looker hasn’t cross voted.

Hi dragons.

Work sucks again today lots of OT will be on as I can but it’s a matter of sorting if this is a bus or not imho.

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Pretty sure Dragons is town based on Harley Quinn being town.

So I think all town team has me Dragons and Dwlee in it.

It’s a matter of if the last town is Koba or Meg.

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i'm probably not going to be able to give an in depth read of the game. expect me to play from this point forward but i'll at least try to skim.

Fair that’s what I did too.
I just took a look at the VCs.
I know it was an all town wagon on me and the competing wagon was jester (who scum have an incentive to elim) the only other person on the jester wagon is Numbers and Numbers is therefore scum. Especially since no one chomped at the bit to instantly agree with me and try to suck up for a vote.

Looker’s traction is terrible and there’s at least one scum in DkKoba and Looker. I say at least one because Looker isn’t doing the standard cross vote.

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if i was scum with looker id yell at him in scum pt to cross me

That’s most likely. It’s probably Numbers Meg Looker, I just kinda want to see what Dwlee thinks now that we have a replacement in.

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Happy scum day Koba.

I have another brutal day at work and we have 24 hours ish to elim scum. Consider my vote on Looker spiritually but I want to vote when I have time to respond to others.

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Dwlee let me ask you a question:

Do you think Meg + Looker + you + one of Numbers/me/Dragons is the all town team?

If no, you should vote Looker. This was a snipe over a break. I can’t do real time shit like I used to.

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Got word I likely have OT today.

VOTE: Looker

Good luck everyone. Dwlee, please vote Looker.

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Didn't you say voting before IC is scum claim

Yes but every post I make may be my last due to work
Not voting is guaranteed loss

Gtg

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it was kind of funny that I said the entire scum team was off wagon because Harley won't let her team vote for me and then mathblade just totally ignores me :3

Gg all

I did what I could.

I ignored Pooky because jester. Their goal is to be elimmed reads be darned

I can’t believe no scum were playing lmao. Wow

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I mean on those VCs they were obviously posting

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Vote Count 1.10

With 14 votes in play, it takes 8 to eliminate.


Toogeloo (5): marcistar,Blood Puppets, Three, Andante, Milk & Mocha,
Milk & Mocha (3): Toogeloo, numberQ, Dwlee99,
Not_Mafia (1): Not_Mafia,
Dwlee99 (1): Harley Quinn,
RH9 (1): Voyc,
numberQ (0):
Harley Quinn (0):
Three (0):
Andante (0):
marcistar (0):
Blood Puppets (0):
ahhlo (0):
Voyc (0):
MegAzumarill (0):

Not Voting

(2): RH9, MegAzumarill,

Deadline:

(expired on 2021-12-26 15:45:40)

I mean damn not a single scum vote on any of the top two wagons and scum not wagoned damn that’s like unicorn levels of rare

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Spoiler:

Dwlee99 have been revealed as

Innocent Child

DkKoba (Voyc)/Harley Quinn/MegAzumarill

And that's with a B12 and iron deficiency

Nice reads. I still can’t believe the end game scum play and that VC well done Looker. I had misread that twice and thought it said Dwlee

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ngl, I hated this game. Jesters are bad. MathBlade made me very angry. Work projects got fucking insane the past week or two.

I am sorry I angered you.

On another site a scum reacted similarly and almost escaped so I tend to block out AtE

I just was really tunneled on the 90% likely and it then bit me on the butt and poisoned everything else

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ngl, I hated this game. Jesters are bad. MathBlade made me very angry. Work projects got fucking insane the past week or two.

My work was also pretty ridiculous too Numbers.
It took a lot of patience for me not to scream at Looker for saying my RL was fake.

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You the real mvp Looker

You did me proud

I somewhat agree.
Though, I would consider the MVPs to be jointly Pooky, Noraa, Looker, Dwlee, Three and mc esther.

I think I ended up being scum MVP while town

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Meh I think it’s a lot of sleep deprivation around

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You the real mvp Looker

You did me proud

I somewhat agree.
Though, I would consider the MVPs to be jointly Pooky, Noraa, Looker, Dwlee, Three and mc esther.

I think I ended up being scum MVP while town

I thought that you did well.

Thank you I wish I could have done better but good to know I wasn’t dumpster fire.