Open 839: White flag Holder [Game Over]

[Andante]

If NM didn't roll jester we should demand a reroll ftr

LMAO yeah, my first thought "NM probably actually got jester this game"

[Andante]

Nora town for posting after me. gg this game is gonna be so easy

[Andante]

Three can also be town for posting after bearbearbearo!! gg I found us 2 town. such an easy game

VOTE: Dwlee

[Andante]

VOTE: blood puppets

[Andante]

#NoRegrets

[Andante]

You'll regret that once Taly gets here.

~G

taly will tr me lol. taly knows this is my beautiful beautiful green froggo town game

tell your scumpartner

andante

to unvote or you'll get this BLOODY BEAK

oooh pretty bird!!!!

[Andante]

Question, are we trying to eliminate jester or let jester get night killed?

[Andante]

Question, are we trying to eliminate jester or let jester get night killed?

we have no reason to fullfill jester's wincon. eliminating jester only helps scum in my opinion. it wastes our elim and gives scum a "free nightkill"

mmmk just checking

[Andante]

See I wanna know why the puppets of blood are so deadset on the bears right now, like, it's feeling rather unproductive

[Andante]

I mean, scum or not the puppets are funny, I like them

[Andante]

If someone in there is IC that might be an autowin list

that's like a list of half the table fam

[Andante]

I didn't tunnel you for bad logic, I tunneled you for a scumslip. But I was coming around at the end to you being town, and I murdered MathBlade for you you're welcome

Yeah so I scum slipped.

ADMITTED TO BEING SCUM!! GG WE CAUGHT THEM!!!

[Andante]

Yeah, so if my poe is right then we have time to eliminate everyone in there

it feels too early to be *that* confident...

[Andante]

I didn't tunnel you for bad logic, I tunneled you for a scumslip. But I was coming around at the end to you being town, and I murdered MathBlade for you you're welcome

Yeah so I scum slipped.

ADMITTED TO BEING SCUM!! GG WE CAUGHT THEM!!!

*clap clap clap* gg gg

I'm a professional at this! gg so easy!

[Andante]

Yeah, so if my poe is right then we have time to eliminate everyone in there

it feels too early to be *that* confident...

There's an if you know

a what if I know what?

[Andante]

see, I'm not confident making true reads like that yet, this game is way too dead, and just has rvs

[Andante]

Andante's first post about the jester was the kind of question that would be better asked in mafia chat - so that suggests they're town

but what if I'm mafia trying to look towny? feels a tad weird you're ready to call me town and call it a day off that

[Andante]

Question, are we trying to eliminate jester or let jester get night killed?

>:/
seeing as it getting nightkilled makes the mafia lose that ability, I would think the answer obvious
VOTE: Andante
I fail to see what the aim of the question is besides busywork.

it was just genuine curiosity lol

[Andante]

Question, are we trying to eliminate jester or let jester get night killed?

>:/
seeing as it getting nightkilled makes the mafia lose that ability, I would think the answer obvious
VOTE: Andante
I fail to see what the aim of the question is besides busywork.

I can get your point. It does seem like she's trying to appear like she's solving.
VOTE: Andante

uhhh what about that makes it appear like I'm solving? I feel like you hopping on the vote here is odd

[Andante]

Why does one question about mech strategy make Andante worth voting?

Because people have a stupid idea that mech discussion = scum because it doesn't solve the game on its own

While I do agree with this sentiment, there's not much driving the game right now and Andante isn't necessarily town just because the votes on her are lazy, so I don't see anything wrong with letting wagons happen unless you feel the need to chainsaw here.

Personally, I know this game basically just started but it feels very slow and cautious right now. I feel like I should've honed in on a scummy slot by now, but no one really stands out besides maybe Dwlee.

lol uh if town wants anything from me, tossing a wagon on me is never the way to go about that. Like, I'm not saying I should be TRed, I just find it odd in a game that's fairly dead, we're pushing me for asking a genuine question. Like, would you rather me wait till late game to ask that question? I'd rather ask any setup related questions at the start and go from there, not sure why this became a topic of discussion

[Andante]

Where did Milk & Mocha go goddammit????????

~G

I know, right!!!!!!!!

Toogeloo, why does it matter where they went?

[Andante]

Ok, the thoughts I'm having right now about this game... like, they're best addressed with a giant post, but I'm like not really wanting to do that a few people I'm just like "Why would town be acting like you are right now??" but I'm not sure if I'd see maf like that either, so idk how to sort people. I think accusing me of "trying to solve by asking a legit question" is so dumb. yall are something

[Andante]

Milk & Mocha (4): Toogeloo, Blood Puppets, MegAzumarill, Three,

this is ridiculous

I laughed too hard at this

[Andante]

I just wanted to bullshit some lawyer talk lol

Do you think I'm town? If so is it just because I defended you once? I recall in Squid Game you had quite a bit of angst about me pocketing you Noraa, and I turned out to be scum in that game. Curious why I'm not seeing that reaction from you now. (I think I'm talking to the Noraa head right now?)

I know your heart is in the right place because you are defending the towniest town bears to ever town

Are yall not town?

[Andante]

Where’s the sixth image

Spoiler:

It's hiding...

[Andante]

where is everyone

[Andante]

I like myself as a TR too, but everyone else is honestly an impossible read right now, there's like 0 effort from anyone

[Andante]

andante would you like to join my cult?

sure why not

[Andante]

good at like nothing lol I can barely even find scum,

[Andante]

hahahaha love it, any plans for how we go about catching scum?

[Andante]

VOTE: Toogeloo

[Andante]

Where is everybody?

I am.... HERE!! (sorta)

[Andante]

No one has really done too much thus far, I honestly don't have suspicions at the moment

[Andante]

yoooo deadline is in 13 hours... what??

[Andante]

I haven't even gotten to do anything serious yet

[Andante]

what's the case for Three?

[Andante]

Three's ISO isn't actually too bad

[Andante]

I can see the case for an M&M vote, I'd rather not vote them out right now though, no one else is even close to active... surely we have another option here

[Andante]

did we just no lim?

[Andante]

if not can we just have a new vc with the timer please??

[Andante]

could we wait till after christmas to unpause then? pleaseee

[Andante]

ooh yall got crazy and did stuff last night... you know... I had the intent to come back, but then... didn't lol

[Andante]

I don't like how I have no read on half the table, like, I only recognize a few names, more people need to do stuff

[Andante]

Nora town, pooky maf. gg game solved

[Andante]

VOTE: Nk15

who??

[Andante]

I'm sheeping meg's vote here... once I know who we're voting lol

[Andante]

ughhhh idk who to vote, we have to vote someone, I'm not voting M&M

[Andante]

SETUP

9 Vanilla Town
1 Innocent Child

3 Mafia

1 Jester

Game starts as White Flag.
If

Jester

dies from elimination then White Flag mechanics gets disabled.
If

Jester

dies from nightkill then game becomes Nightless.

Jester

wins, if it gets eliminated. Once

Town

is reduced to 4 members,

Jester

gets treestumped and loses.

Innocent Child

may reveal itself at any given time.

Mafia

wins via parity.

Spoiler: Role PMs

Welcome, x. You are a

Jester

. The game thread is here: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=88391

Abilities:

Doomed: You will leave the game in a loss, once Town is reduced to 4 members.

Win condition:

You win when you are eliminated via the Day vote. Your win will not end the game.

Reply with your role to me to confirm

Welcome, x. You are a

Mafia Goon

. Your partner is y. The game thread is here: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=88391

Abilities:

Factional communication: At any time during the game, you may talk with your partner here: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=88391
Factional kill: Each Night, if no other member of your faction is performing this action, you may kill a target player.

Win condition:

You win when your faction holds a majority or nothing can prevent this from occurring.

Reply with your role to me to confirm

Welcome, x. You are a

Mafia Goon

. Your partner is y. The game thread is here: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=88391

Abilities:

Factional communication: At any time during the game, you may talk with your partner here: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=88391

Win condition:

You win when your faction holds a majority or nothing can prevent this from occurring.

Reply with your role to me to confirm

Welcome, x. You are a

Innocent Child

. The game thread is here: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=88391

Abilities:

During day you may post

I reveal myself

in bold to reveal yourself as Innocent Child.

Win condition:

If

Jester

dies from elimination, you win when there are no longer any threats to town.
If

Jester

doesn't die from elimination, you win when only one Mafia Goon remains.

Reply with your role to me to confirm

Welcome, x.You are a

Vanilla Townie

. The game thread is here: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=88391

Abilities:

Your weapon is your vote, you have no special abilities.

Win condition:

If

Jester

dies from elimination, you win when there are no longer any threats to town.
If

Jester

doesn't die from elimination, you win when only one Mafia Goon remains.

Reply with your role to me to confirm

[Andante]

cause there's no actual masons... ughhh

VOTE: numberQ

I'll just go here

[Andante]

ughhhh idk who to vote, we have to vote someone, I'm not voting M&M

Why? Has the whole IC claim debacle made you more or less sure of not putting your vote there? Proooobably should make you less sure.

What? who cares about an IC claim if it's not official, this comment from you feels like you're scum trying to push this "Who is IC??" agenda.. you want my reaction cause you want to know if I'm IC. and to that I say "who knows what I am??" and I picked right for my vote

[Andante]

Whoever isn''t, you need to vote numberQ, they're gonna flip scum

[Andante]

I'm quite confident numberQ flips maf

[Andante]

Harley, #1026 from NumberQ is a scum line. Scum trying to figure out who is a pr. NumberQ is maf, I don't care what M&M is right now

[Andante]

whatever, yall do you. numberQ is flipping scum, and I'll be voting them the rest of the game until they're gone

[Andante]

we're gonna have a no lim day 1 lol

[Andante]

imagine being mad that nobody answers your post in 20 minutes on christmas eve

lolol

how dare anyone do something other than MS on christmas eve!!! That's scum indicative!

(Why aren't more people voting NumberQ yet?)

[Andante]

imagine being mad that nobody answers your post in 20 minutes on christmas eve

lolol

We have literally twenty pages of immediate responses defending M&M. Christmas clearly didn't play a part in that.

You're also getting called a Jester and not even trying to deny it. You're clearly fake Jester telling.

What's wrong with faking jester? Maf doesn't want to kill jester...

[Andante]

Case me.

uhhh fypov, you're town, and M&M casing you doesn't prove anything to you, why not go case a scum read? Casing town is a complete waste of time

[Andante]

now Three feels like he's fishing for jester... what is up with people trying to solve people's roles... who even cares??? it's not a towny thing to be like "I know you're not jester, so stop acting like it!!!"

[Andante]

what's the case om MM being mafia?

[Andante]

I mean, I'll read it, but there's 0 chance I vote there today

[Andante]

Cue 20 posts immediately happening because I called M&M scum again

uhhh I'm here for my daily check in? nothing with the timing of anything...

[Andante]

also I skipped like 300 posts I don't plan to read, basically whatever happened after harley replaced in I didn't read

[Andante]

I mean, sure, I dont have a strong town case on yall, and I'm not even opposed to voting yall on a later day yet. I'm not trying to kill the game so I'm not voting yall out, kinda that simple. yall go. no one talks, and we're in even worse of a position

[Andante]

there's literally nothing in the posts before you joined, thus I was here yesterday like "wtf?? 13 hours??" cause this game has been so dead. now I don't even know when the new deadline is, but we still don't have much

[Andante]

I am the Game

I mean.. there's literally nothing that's happened that you haven't been a part of... yall definitely are the game... I'm curious, how much of MM is Nora and how much is pooky? roughly lol 95% and 5%?

[Andante]

ooh thanks for looking it up!! plenty of time!

[Andante]

games dont even need to always be

super

active tho

games need people to do stuff. yes they need activity. half the table has done nothing

[Andante]

hahahahah awesome 50/50is not what I'd have guessed lol

[Andante]

it is shocking that three wants to eliminate us when we r top poster on a table of lurkers

not shocking if three is scum though, makes perfect sense what three's doing if three is scum

[Andante]

what even??? when is the last time we saw ahhhlo? ahhlo here cause Three was mad? now it's time for ahhhlo to back up their partner?

[Andante]

games dont even need to always be

super

active tho

games need people to do stuff. yes they need activity. half the table has done nothing

do stuff yes, but a shitton of activity isnt needed for that

people don't even try to keep up when theres too many pages : D

Tell me what anyone except MM has even done this game then.

[Andante]

you are a bright ray of hope in a dark cruel world andante

ahhh yes, a world where no one is ever here... so they'd clearly listen to me as I lead us into battle..

[Andante]

the mafia r making their move on the towniest bearz to ever townz

lol are yall maf mocking me...

[Andante]

ahhhlo... want to say literally anything else?

[Andante]

VOTE: ahhhlo

[Andante]

I'm not playing this game, ahhhlo can go today, NumberQ lives another day

[Andante]

ahhlo might just be a newbie town who doesnt know better

what newbie town doesn't talk forever, calls out a joke, and acts like it's a serious sr then leaves?

[Andante]

like, no thanks, I'm not playing with thatkind of "playstyle" later

[Andante]

@Meg

yo?

[Andante]

nope

[Andante]

you are a bright ray of hope in a dark cruel world andante

ahhh yes, a world where no one is ever here... so they'd clearly listen to me as I lead us into battle..

also I skipped like 300 posts I don't plan to read, basically whatever happened after harley replaced in I didn't read

yeah what's up? I clearly didn't miss anything

[Andante]

numberQ is still flipping maf, ahhhhhhlo just angered me more with their post, so ahhhhlo gets the vote

[Andante]

AHHLO I MISSED U give townie opinions

i think your good and three is good and milk & mocha is the mafia and andante is mafia; i hate they talk so much and then i cant say anything, they will try to kill me i know it

im so tired

i want to gosomewher, but i dont know where; i have no hwere to go or post, and soon epople will start voting me and i wont be able to stop them; i cant stand it

I mean, I'm only voting you cause your "reason" for MM vote is so bad, maybe if you gave a reason it'd be better, not this "you're rude. vote" stuff... youknow MM is close to a lim, by doing that you're all "innocent" and them MM gets limmed, flips town, and no one suspects you.... right

[Andante]

like, no thanks, I'm not playing with thatkind of "playstyle" later

I DONT WANT TO PLAY WITH YOU EITHER, STOP POSTING ABOUT ME

I mean, I'm all for listening to what you have to say? I'm not trying to make anything personal... but if there's a bad reasoning behind a vote, I'm calling it out

[Andante]

fine. ahhhhlo lives another day.

VOTE: NumberQ

[Andante]

i dont agree that three is scum.

Readslist:
Towniest: me, pooky
Town: Three, Meg

Scum: Harley, Andante

Andante is scum unless she can explain the TR on us. i dont like it. it was cute for a hot sec until she disappeared and now its not so cute anymore.
pooky and i agree on meg. thats it

does pooky agree on those reads?

[Andante]

I have no problem voting you here, so I highly recommend you stop calling me scum

[Andante]

Noraa and I haven't agreed about a single read this entire game lololol

@Andante

What pisses me off, is I signed up for this partially because of Noraa and she’s making the game unfun.

Nora is currently making this not fun for me, so it's my cue to disappear again till who knows when.

I wish all of yall the happiest of holidays!!!

[Andante]

ughhh bears are making me come back, I'll just say, that made me more sad than anything, like, there's been no indication of a SR on me, then to just go "Andante scum!" like, excuse me?? I don't have to explain that I'm not sorting a hydra day 1. I just treat hydras as town, keep solving, and cross the bridge down the road on if a hydra isn't town. I see 0 benefit to yeeting a good hydra like M&M here on day 1. not sure why me not explaining that gets a SR??

[Andante]

Also I refuse to read 1/4 of the game.

Good plan. That's what I do, and it always works out

[Andante]

that made you sad????

yeah?

[Andante]

ughhh bears are making me come back, I'll just say, that made me more sad than anything, like, there's been no indication of a SR on me, then to just go "Andante scum!" like, excuse me?? I don't have to explain that I'm not sorting a hydra day 1. I just treat hydras as town, keep solving, and cross the bridge down the road on if a hydra isn't town. I see 0 benefit to yeeting a good hydra like M&M here on day 1. not sure why me not explaining that gets a SR??

Andante we r tight like mac and cheese

omg I LOVE mac and cheese!!!

[Andante]

Also I refuse to read 1/4 of the game.

Good plan. That's what I do, and it always works out

That was what I was referring to

ahhh I see

[Andante]

i literally just called her scum. is that really offensive?

no. no it's not

[Andante]

I mean, I'd rather just have serious reads here at this point, when I barely have an idea of where to vote, and if your SR on me is serious...

[Andante]

Merry Christmas to all and to all a good night! I don't like the direction this is heading, if people really wanna sr me, go for it, I'm not trying to anger people tonight, end of the day this is just a game. See yall whenever!

[Andante]

@mod you have me voting twice real vote is on numberQ

[Andante]

why are yall voting MM?

[Andante]

I don't think they're maf. like, why would scum MM go "Andante has no reason for TRing us. that's sus"

[Andante]

I genuinely like how they called me out on it, and thus, I don't see them flipping red

[Andante]

we kinda need someone to vote out here real soon... and preferably not MM. I'm down to vote a MM voter

[Andante]

wasn't ahhhlo already voting MM?

[Andante]

toog, three, numberQ are on MM.... 3 universal SRs.... yet some still say MM is a good wagon?

[Andante]

ahhhlo... I do not TR them, but I think half my SR is just a playstyle clash, cause like, I don't see ahhhlo coming from a town viewpoint on any of this... voting yall for a comment, getting called out on that, flipping to dwlee, back to you cause others voting you.. ehhh feels off

[Andante]

I'd be fine voting ahhhlo/toog/numberQ here today

[Andante]

ahhhhh for a game with this many posts, I should have solid reads by now... idk why this one is so odd

[Andante]

three's name was thrown out a bunch. I have no solid read on like anyone, but also like, I hate the wagon on MM, I think it's bad. I think MM is town and scum really wants this MM wagon to go through. no one voting MM has a solid reason. something is sketchy over there

[Andante]

we're probably no limming here, just solely cause no one is really doing anything

[Andante]

14 hours and 30 minutes till deadline

[Andante]

and we've only heard stuff from a few people... I understand Christmas happened and stuff, but even the few days before, I don't think there was much of a push in any direction...

[Andante]

we kinda need someone to vote out here real soon... and preferably not MM. I'm down to vote a MM voter

Why do you believe scum chooses to target M&M Day 1? They made a point that half the player list is LHF, and even if I don't agree with that it certainly implies scum could just settle for limming an easier target.

I don't think scum initially chose MM, I think they're taking advantage of
a) MM being scummy
b) town pushing MM

like, none of the town is here, and people like Toog, vote MM and leave. there's a vote. Scum is well aware deadline is soon. Sure no lim is preferred for scum, but also if they can vote out a potential strong town, why NOT do it??

[Andante]

it's so easy to just be like "MM has most votes, we're not NLing, Voting them out!"

[Andante]

VOTE: Toogeloo

sure

[Andante]

Enchant replaces ohhlo. Deadline is being delayed to (expired on 2021-12-27 13:59:14)

We’re extremely lucky this thing keeps getting extended.

it probably still ends in a no lim

[Andante]

what if yall worked together at reading people instead of going back and forth about each other... I feel like that'd be more helpful to all.. even if one of yall is scum, you should still be able to talk through reads...

[Andante]

VOTE: marci

sure

[Andante]

How can you say that applies to Marci and not m&m...

I don’t think M & M is scum.

uhhh MM is voting me over marci, kinda trying to direct people to vote there. They literally have to be jester, and idk how people aren't seeing this

[Andante]

like, hello?? wake up?? they don't care about being voted out here.. how are they maf??

[Andante]

2 hours left, 2 votes on no one, a bunch of votes on MM/Marci that no one really cares about. it's great! town is so limming scum here

[Andante]

I'm just annoyed MM moved their vote to me instead of keeping it marci, or even selfvoting... like they're trying to ensure we don't have votes either way here

[Andante]

VOTE: RH9
voted no one at day end?

[Andante]

we had like a week extension... could've voted

[Andante]

Isn’t the point of reaction testing, to gauge RH9’s reaction?

I am reaction testing the Moderator

lmaoooo

[Andante]

So day 1 went so well, we figure we don't need to talk much for day 2?
what about here?
VOTE: Voyc

[Andante]

I genuinely hate how no one seems to care at all, and this entire game has been
a) people not talking
b) "haha I'm jester"

like seriously, what's the plan? are we just random limming people? half the people here don't talk/say nothing game related it's seriously getting old, like, I'm about to just declare RH9 lock town cause he's one of the only ones taking this game seriously

[Andante]

VOTE: numberQ

[Andante]

fire is town

[Andante]

welcome to the party!!!

[Andante]

Pooky, please find your companion bear and merge.

LMAOOO

[Andante]

Three + Andante were on the biggest wagon, Toogeloo, and both of them switched to Marcistar early on in its growth

And both of them were on the RH9 wagon afterwards, but both left between 2.02 and 2.03

That entire chain of events doesn't feel natural

what's unnatural about it?I voted RH9 for a valid reason. RH9 became one of the only people to talk with, so I'm voting a different scumread

[Andante]

I plan on reading approximately nothing of the game before this exact point

you're welcome

like if the plan is to read nothing and go off vote counts? mmmk whatever. nora wants to vote me out, you could join her

[Andante]

It is in my opinion, that voting numberQ will not cause much help to the game unless he is put near a potential elimination. I remember that it is usually when he is in danger of being hammered, that he responds to the push. At least in my experience from Open 835.

I mean, we have nothing from half the table, I'm down to sheep whoever/vote wherever (with the exception of voting a few) like, we have 4 total lines from Voyc and nothing good from datsi so I sr that slot for sure, N_M gave us nothing, and looking at the playerlist I couldn't tell you a thing some of the others have done

[Andante]

actually, I'm voting Voyc until I have a reason to unvote there
VOTE: Voyc

[Andante]

Is the game going to get any easier if we leave all the empty slots there

No.

It would be cool to kill all silent, but there's no enough firepower to so that.

lol the silent ones are half the table, meaning everyone here would have to agree... and I don't see that happening.

[Andante]

numberQ have been prodded.

What is this game? How many prods so far and we’ve already had four replacements. I know two weren’t voluntary but that’s still a helluva lot for only d2.

mhm that's why I've been like, "we're not gonna be able to push a lim through, like no one is even trying" day 1 was extended by like a week, it was almost a no lim

[Andante]

what am I supposed to do? I can't read the people not talking

[Andante]

lol me wanting to vote voyc for not talking would've limmed a maf hahahaha yeah sorry to replace out, I was so annoyed at no one doing anything :/ I felt so bad watching replacement after replacement...