Open 839: White flag Holder [Game Over]

[MegAzumarill]

VOTE: NotMafia

[MegAzumarill]

VOTE: Dwlee

Random page 1 feeling, they're scum trying to jester-tell so we don't lim them. You can take this as fact because it's a page 1 read based off 8 posts.

What read?

[MegAzumarill]

Never-ending I am idiot. You are talking about your read on Dwlee

[MegAzumarill]

Never-ending I am idiot.

10/10 autocorrect

[MegAzumarill]

The cow has arrived.

[MegAzumarill]

Don't really but there's not much to share with the class at the minute.
I've only got about one read going and don't want them nked so.

[MegAzumarill]

VOTE: Milk +Mocha

[MegAzumarill]

Because my mistake yesterday was Voting N_m which never produces helpful info

[MegAzumarill]

Nothing in particular tbh
Let's see how it plays out

[MegAzumarill]

The real question is if we should out jester reads or not.
I'm of the opinion to keep jester reads to ourselves because they upside of scum killing jester outweighs the downside of an elimination making the game require +1 scum dead.

But we don't want to eliminate jester so if you heavily jester read the biggest candidate for an elimination then and only then is the time to speak up

[MegAzumarill]

Not_Mafia enters every game with that message

[MegAzumarill]

Yes,
For funsies I suppose

[MegAzumarill]

i change my mind vote: not_mafia

you want to live? you have to paly

claiming jester is nto good e nough, you have to try if you want to play

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[MegAzumarill]

As for actual claims so far there is no reason to take anyone's claim seriously.
Every player in this game has already claimed VT in practice. No role (except jester) wants to look otherwise and jester won't outright claim scum.

[MegAzumarill]

Pancakes>waffles

Also please define waffle because I legitimately am not sure what it means:p

[MegAzumarill]

You quoted your answer (yes)

[MegAzumarill]

Because people have a stupid idea that mech discussion = scum because it doesn't solve the game on its own

[MegAzumarill]

What's the vibe you're getting here?

Outrage at dwlee’s PoE

Why the outrage?

[MegAzumarill]

i feel like people are askng me too many questions, please just post who you think is mafia and we can vote

I still think it's Dwlee - becaues he is just sitting back not committing to anything but being confrontational and trying to make something out of nothing

he wants to look like hes town by posting reads but nothing on the list is justified, its all made up and i dont think he has any idea how to explain it

vote: Dwlee

Who do you think is being confrontational?

[MegAzumarill]

In the rules it says you must call them Phil though.

~G

UNVOTE: Phil


VOTE: RH9

They've made one game relevant post so far and retracted it in their next post. Feels like scum giving a BS reason for a read then backing off when called out for bs.

[MegAzumarill]

Aww now three isn't number 3 on the M+M wagon.

[MegAzumarill]

Post Count=/= productivity

[MegAzumarill]

Dwlee wagon is bad.

[MegAzumarill]

It's okay

[MegAzumarill]

This game feels so difficult to interact with.
Something about jester games kill the fire.

Also RH9 us trying to downplay their wagon. Which is +scum in my book so VOTE: Rh9

I'm 90% sure I'm already here but I'm disliking his response to pressure

[MegAzumarill]

But if I vote Three, maybe this will break the vicious circle. I might decide later.

Disliking this as it feels like Rh9 trying to distance themselves of fallout from a mislim on three.

Bad logic for a vote either way

[MegAzumarill]

A vote this late in the day is essentially saying I want this person dead more than anyone else. I was referring to you saying you might vote three over their arguement with M M

[MegAzumarill]

By the way, look at Micro 1036 for my first completed scumgame.

Sir you made one post that game

[MegAzumarill]

We could totes no elim every day, and just let scum shoot hoping they kill the Jester or stump it.

I'd rather eliminate today

[MegAzumarill]

Can we get another VC?

[MegAzumarill]

I don't wanna

[MegAzumarill]

No

[MegAzumarill]

M+M gives me jester vibes I don't wanna.
Either that or they're town but they aren't being survivalist in the slightest.
Counterwagons aren't viable for me except Rh9

[MegAzumarill]

Can we lim Rh here? Pooky/noraa s acting like they expect to be limmed here which wouldn't be likely as scum

[MegAzumarill]

VOTE: M&M

Scumclaim?

[MegAzumarill]

VOTE: M&M

Scumclaim?

maybe the bunny is town after all :0

Don't get ahead of yourself

[MegAzumarill]

Numberq does got answering to do

[MegAzumarill]

Oh, well I don’t understand her thought process then. I’m pretty decent at reading her so I don’t know why she’d sr that. If I’m scum here, why do I go out of my way to try to stop you guys from being flipped?

What do you mean you're decent at reading me? You've misread me multiple times. Your first read accuracy on me is not good at all. Sure, you typically END at the right read but when talking about starting, nah your read accuracy is not good at all. Why do you go out of your way? thats a good description of what you did exaggerated by quite a bit. and either way, you have two scum buddies. theres no reason YOU have to be voting me.

M+M gives me jester vibes I don't wanna.
Either that or they're town but they aren't being survivalist in the slightest.
Counterwagons aren't viable for me except Rh9

means was stupid. conclusion good. hard claim IC

SETUP

9 Vanilla Town
1 Innocent Child

3 Mafia

1 Jester

Game starts as White Flag.
If

Jester

dies from elimination then White Flag mechanics gets disabled.
If

Jester

dies from nightkill then game becomes Nightless.

Jester

wins, if it gets eliminated. Once

Town

is reduced to 4 members,

Jester

gets treestumped and loses.

Innocent Child

may reveal itself at any given time.

Mafia

wins via parity.

Spoiler: Role PMs

Welcome, x. You are a

Jester

. The game thread is here: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=88391

Abilities:

Doomed: You will leave the game in a loss, once Town is reduced to 4 members.

Win condition:

You win when you are eliminated via the Day vote. Your win will not end the game.

Reply with your role to me to confirm

Welcome, x. You are a

Mafia Goon

. Your partner is y. The game thread is here: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=88391

Abilities:

Factional communication: At any time during the game, you may talk with your partner here: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=88391
Factional kill: Each Night, if no other member of your faction is performing this action, you may kill a target player.

Win condition:

You win when your faction holds a majority or nothing can prevent this from occurring.

Reply with your role to me to confirm

Welcome, x. You are a

Mafia Goon

. Your partner is y. The game thread is here: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=88391

Abilities:

Factional communication: At any time during the game, you may talk with your partner here: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=88391

Win condition:

You win when your faction holds a majority or nothing can prevent this from occurring.

Reply with your role to me to confirm

Welcome, x. You are a

Innocent Child

. The game thread is here: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=88391

Abilities:

During day you may post

I reveal myself

in bold to reveal yourself as Innocent Child.

Win condition:

If

Jester

dies from elimination, you win when there are no longer any threats to town.
If

Jester

doesn't die from elimination, you win when only one Mafia Goon remains.

Reply with your role to me to confirm

Welcome, x.You are a

Vanilla Townie

. The game thread is here: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=88391

Abilities:

Your weapon is your vote, you have no special abilities.

Win condition:

If

Jester

dies from elimination, you win when there are no longer any threats to town.
If

Jester

doesn't die from elimination, you win when only one Mafia Goon remains.

Reply with your role to me to confirm

Elaborate?

[MegAzumarill]

I'll wait for the next modpost to confirm if they are revealing or not

Deadline is frozen for replacement anyway I think

[MegAzumarill]

Are we ignoring Q who voted an uncced pr?

Agree that IC outing is bad unless it is M + M but I think M + M is just going to die tonight anyway if they are actually IC regardless of outing.

[MegAzumarill]

The optimal play is always to lim M+M when jester dies when 4 town players remain. (Or for them to reveal then of course)

They live until then unless nightkilled though

[MegAzumarill]

We never lim M + M today outside of another player revealing as IC and even then it's probably best to wait.
IC shouldn't yet because time is on our side

[MegAzumarill]

No lim loses an elimination so it's bad anyway

[MegAzumarill]

VOTE: Nk15

[MegAzumarill]

Oh I confused two people without an avatar
VOTE: Number Q

'_'

[MegAzumarill]

I just want to brute force this lim at this point.

I don't think there's ever a world where M+M live anywhere near ELO

Have you considered M + M may be Jester?

We have a day to eliminate M + M AFTER jester dies on 4 people.

M + M should not be eliminated until then

[MegAzumarill]

I just want to brute force this lim at this point.

I don't think there's ever a world where M+M live anywhere near ELO

Have you considered M + M may be Jester?

We have a day to eliminate M + M AFTER jester dies on 4 people.

M + M should not be eliminated until then

Yes, that’s exactly what I’m thinking because it’s almost like she’s baiting me to vote her, so jester makes a helluva lot of sense. I think scum!Noraa would be far more likely to be pocketing me here. Her entire interaction with me is counterintuitive is she’s scum here.

Who would suggest as an alternative lim?

[MegAzumarill]

Either way we can lim them later.
No reason to do it yet

[MegAzumarill]

NumberQ was pushing an uncredited town PR approximately 5 posts after they claimed and then said they missed the claim.

I wonder who scum is?

[MegAzumarill]

Not impressed with their play earlier in the day and that was just too blatant scumminess for my tastes

[MegAzumarill]

I will vote M + M if Dl is too close but it reads heavy into jester

[MegAzumarill]

@Andante

Bruh

[MegAzumarill]

you are a bright ray of hope in a dark cruel world andante

ahhh yes, a world where no one is ever here... so they'd clearly listen to me as I lead us into battle..

also I skipped like 300 posts I don't plan to read, basically whatever happened after harley replaced in I didn't read

[MegAzumarill]

I'm quite confident numberQ flips maf

Also, what changed?

[MegAzumarill]

Ahhlo towntold with the N_M issue
Just get Q

[MegAzumarill]

M + M what's your reasoning for Tring me?

[MegAzumarill]

Both of those were not really helpful

[MegAzumarill]

Andante may actually be jester
Bears this is not a good look for you

[MegAzumarill]

Oh nobody is doing anything
Also I refuse to read 1/4 of the game.
Also I am going to actively defend the player who is a known liar

[MegAzumarill]

Also I refuse to read 1/4 of the game.

Good plan. That's what I do, and it always works out

That was what I was referring to

[MegAzumarill]

Who

fakeclaimed

IC?

VOTE: Toogeloo

~Taly

Bears

[MegAzumarill]

No cc but Bears retracted their claim

[MegAzumarill]

NumberQ pushed then while still claiming it which is the main reason for the wagon there. Three is guilty of the same but I personally find their early play very +town


The main question is if the bears are jester as opposed to scum. I am of the impression of the former.

Bear wasn't baiting a cc I think

[MegAzumarill]

They are literally never getting night killed. Unless we want to take them to 4 town to see if they get stumped bleh

This is not viable due to circumstances that would be antitown to discuss.
I asked about something and this wouldn't work but can't say more.

[MegAzumarill]

VOTE: M + M
If this is somehow town then oh well and if it's jester then it sucks but I can't ignore a fakeclaim in an open.

[MegAzumarill]

They ar literally never getting night killed. Unless we want to take them to 4 town to see if they get stumped bleh

This is not viable due to circumstances that would be antitown to discuss.
I asked about something and this wouldn't work but can't say more.

I read you saying it is a hardclaim

If you somehow are town you just end up being an easy mislim later.
I haven't ever townread you but if you are jester then just take the win at this point.

[MegAzumarill]

Ic is not a lol claim in this setup

[MegAzumarill]

Honestly your townread on me a little earlier gave me bad vibes like you were trying to buddy up to survive

[MegAzumarill]

Optimal lim is to just kill whoever gets to E-1 anyway

[MegAzumarill]

Obviously not always but in this case it's applicable

[MegAzumarill]

toog, three, numberQ are on MM.... 3 universal SRs.... yet some still say MM is a good wagon?

What do you find scummy about three?

[MegAzumarill]

Deadline will be extended most likely so we can discuss this more.

VOTE: Unvote

[MegAzumarill]

A player is getting replaced.

[MegAzumarill]

Another one is via site-wide ban
Won't say more because it's not really game related other than the new face

[MegAzumarill]

whats wrong with sheeping

What's wrong with asking for reasonings?

Do you know the case on you and/or how you'd like to respond?

[MegAzumarill]

VOTE: marci

Feels like scum intentionally jesttelling

[MegAzumarill]

It applies to both but M + M contributed more.
I'll be around later and will hammer M + M if they get to E-1 but I think the marci 2agon is alright too

[MegAzumarill]

Brain didn't register it was two hours
-_-

[MegAzumarill]

Jester lim is still > than no lim sad as it is
I will hammer anybody here but prefer marci of the two wagons

[MegAzumarill]

Marcistar is at e-2

[MegAzumarill]

They had 4.
It takes 8 to yeet

[MegAzumarill]

Not_Mafia have been prodded. Their third prod will result in immediate replacement.

Vote Count 1.11

With 14 votes in play, it takes 8 to eliminate.


Milk & Mocha (5): Toogeloo, Enchant, numberQ, Dwlee99, Voyc,
marcistar (4): Three, Harley Quinn, Blood Puppets, Andante,
Not_Mafia (1): Not_Mafia,
Toogeloo (1): marcistar,
Andante (1): Milk & Mocha,
Dwlee99 (0):
RH9 (0):
numberQ (0):
Harley Quinn (0):
Three (0):
Blood Puppets (0):
Enchnat (0):
Voyc (0):
MegAzumarill (0):

Not Voting

(2): RH9, MegAzumarill,

Deadline:

(expired on 2021-12-27 13:59:14)

4

[MegAzumarill]

Enchant is sk claiming vigi ez solve

[MegAzumarill]

The Puppets kill is...interesting. Scum apparently weren't afraid that they could be Jester. There didn't seem to be a lot of suspicion going their way I guess, but it makes me wonder if this was more of a fear kill than IC hunting.

I mean if IC is doing their job right scum will think they are jester/LHF.
A fearkill is possible but I wouldn't put my bets on it. I don't see why scum would have any reason to think Puppets was not IC.

[MegAzumarill]

I do lean scum on rh9 still but that is a weak arguement at best.

[MegAzumarill]

NKA is always weak because there are many possible reasons for scum to do something.

I plan to do an analysis of BP interactions but I'm lazy

[MegAzumarill]

NKA is always weak because there are many possible reasons for scum to do something.

I plan to do an analysis of BP interactions but I'm lazy

Ok, why do you lean scum on RH9 then?

Covered this yesterday but main point is I heavily dislike their attitude toward M+M wagon

[MegAzumarill]

I mean they pushed the (at the time) uncredited IC for one

[MegAzumarill]

Uncounterclaimed *

[MegAzumarill]

Retracting my statements today about rh9 because I have 0 ability to tell people apart
(Still think the nka thing is weak though)

[MegAzumarill]

Retracting my statements today about rh9 because I have 0 ability to tell people apart
(Still think the nka thing is weak though)

VOTE: Rh9
Upon reviewing their ISO there were a few red flags.

1. Their "reaction test" needs explaining because unexplained in hindsight it looks bad. Would like to hear what they were actually looking for.
2. They dismiss three case on M+ M because they say it's based on the time pooky forgot their password which is a misrep.

[MegAzumarill]

Why did you think scum would try to shade you for it?

[MegAzumarill]

Also who do you think is the most likely scum + why

[MegAzumarill]

UNVOTE:

Actually I think I'll keep my vote for now

[MegAzumarill]

I am vote parking Pooky until he is dead

Why are you so sure he is mafia?

[MegAzumarill]

*they are

[MegAzumarill]

I mean town!pooky is evil.

[MegAzumarill]

I'm fine with waiting until 4 town remaining and flash limming everyone who tried to Jester tell but didn't get stumped.

I'm fine with waiting until 4 town remaining and flash limming everyone who tried to Jester tell but didn't get stumped.

Good plan.

Bad plan

[MegAzumarill]

Can't discuss why but it's not viable

[MegAzumarill]

Why we even keep Jester-tells alive if jester is last person who will jester tell?

+1

[MegAzumarill]

I genuinely hate how no one seems to care at all, and this entire game has been
a) people not talking
b) "haha I'm jester"

like seriously, what's the plan? are we just random limming people? half the people here don't talk/say nothing game related it's seriously getting old, like, I'm about to just declare RH9 lock town cause he's one of the only ones taking this game seriously

And yet all you are doing is complaining?

The game likely is slowed due to holidays and will likely get lively (in comparison) later.
That said I disagree with this point on RH9

[MegAzumarill]

Inactivity is NAI as of late.
We will have time to see more of the rarer faces in our midst.

[MegAzumarill]

I support both wagons going on right now (rh9 preferred over numberq atm)

I want to observe something but won't say what for the moment

[MegAzumarill]

Noora

[MegAzumarill]

Three and Andante are standing out to me in particular just off this information alone

MegAzumarill's vote on marcistar appears particularly awkward

The RH9 wagon today looks a bit odd with the player compositions pushing it

Enchant's vote somehow got moved twice when they only voted one in their ISO, very odd

I want some elaboration on this post.
(All 4 parts )

[MegAzumarill]

I suppose for 1 I should rephrase how they are standing out to you rather than why.

For point 2 I don't really get what you mean. Marci responded to pressure with what looked like intentional jester tells which is very scummy imo.

For point three what information to you take away from the day start push and leaving.

[MegAzumarill]

Because my phrasing as always was inadequate before

[MegAzumarill]

Do you have a reason for suspecting Enchant over other lurkers or are you just going after some of the players that shy away from the limelight?

[MegAzumarill]

I'd really just say that if there's dead weight slots, just say fuck it and get them out of the game

I'd frankly rather have to deal with killing all three scum over having to worry about which of the four or five slots doing nothing is the deadweight scum

The problem with this is I find it unlikely all of the scum are hiding in the shadows.
I doubt scum would try to let town solve unimpeded and we win if we manage to get only two goons so I think considering the relatively few active players we have greater odds of hitting scum.

Not to mention it's easier to sort those slots so finding scum shouldn't be too bad if my assumption is correct.

[MegAzumarill]

I'd really just say that if there's dead weight slots, just say fuck it and get them out of the game

I'd frankly rather have to deal with killing all three scum over having to worry about which of the four or five slots doing nothing is the deadweight scum

The problem with this is I find it unlikely all of the scum are hiding in the shadows.
I doubt scum would try to let town solve unimpeded and we win if we manage to get only two goons so I think considering the relatively few active players we have greater odds of hitting scum.

Not to mention it's easier to sort those slots so finding scum shouldn't be too bad if my assumption is correct.

okay

so why kick the can down the road

Partially wanted to see how people (like you) would catch up before giving my own reasons.

[MegAzumarill]

The problem with this is I find it unlikely all of the scum are hiding in the shadows.

how many times u played scum before

A handful on site, nothing else that would have anything close to the deadlines of forum mafia though.

[MegAzumarill]

okay well all the scum hidingi n shadows doing nothing is nothing unheard of, and when 90% of this game is basically doing that, it just increases odds of that being case.

I don't doubt there is some scum that's lurking, I just don't think that ALL of the scum is lurking.

[MegAzumarill]

You did spend a lot of time complaining about not having an elim and not a lot of actually trying to change that

[MegAzumarill]

-_()_-

[MegAzumarill]

Pooky is the most fun thing about this game, although I really miss Noraa. I signed up mainly to play with Pooky, Noraa and Taly but scum killed Taly, then Andante - another fun player repped out, so I won’t let anyone vote out my care bears. :/

Do you have an actual reason to townread them though?

[MegAzumarill]

Frankly I don't feel like jester hunting
Have been enjoying the game more since I stopped

[MegAzumarill]

Firebringer, what do you think of Three's idea to eliminate an active player instead of an inactive one?

Thisnis a leading question

[MegAzumarill]

VOTE: Voyc

There are better inactive wagons if you are going to go with an inactive one.

Namely both Enchant and NumberQ

[MegAzumarill]

RH9's reactions to pressure feel disingenuous

[MegAzumarill]

@kerset how much time will dl resume at

48h

[MegAzumarill]

What did you find scummy about datisi?

[MegAzumarill]

What did you find scummy about datisi?

You mean datsi?

Yes but question still stands for fb

[MegAzumarill]

Enchant may be a good vote if rh9 flips town today but I don't think an Enchant elim is wise today

[MegAzumarill]

What do you mean by the plan?

[MegAzumarill]

T_T

[MegAzumarill]

Enchant may be a good vote if rh9 flips town today but I don't think an Enchant elim is wise today

I'm saddened I agree w this bc I would definitely be up for an Enchant elim

@M&M,

ngl you are entretaining, but multiple people have expressed confusion over the lack of signing, is there really no way you could try to implement that?

It's funnier to pretend they are both pooky

[MegAzumarill]

Am also interested in this three scumread, because personally I find three to be a pretty strong townread.

[MegAzumarill]

Could it just be Rh9 + Alyssa + other?

Seems like the most likely solve and I have some good associative either way with an rh flip. VOTE: Rh9

[MegAzumarill]

I'd say there's evidence you aren't s/t but don't think I want to say more atm.

[MegAzumarill]

I mean I suppose there's not harm. I dont think Rh9 and Alyssa are aligned because Alyssa is opposing the elim in an inderect way that I don't think comes from scum if rh9 is actually town. However it makes a lot of sense for Alyssa to do so if rh9 is in fact her partner.

The other thing is something that would lower EV for town if scum figured it out and it's likely they have but in case not I won't say how until that time is past.

[MegAzumarill]

RH9 and Alyssa are both town

What makes you think that?

[MegAzumarill]

Excellent thermistor but Azu is S tier

[MegAzumarill]

Tier list*

[MegAzumarill]

What about me?

[MegAzumarill]

@Kerset

Could you update the OP for replacements (specifically toogeloo)

[MegAzumarill]

VOTE: Enchant

[MegAzumarill]

The eternal Mafia game

[MegAzumarill]

I'm halfway tempted that we all should just policy M+M for LAL

[MegAzumarill]

For now I'm waiting on replacements I guess

[MegAzumarill]

Figured I'd do something instead of sitting and doing nothing
Still support the rh9 wagon

Welcome mc esther

[MegAzumarill]

i think rh9 isnt online rn, which sucks because i wanted to see his reaction before saying anything, but also dont wanna delay too much

at the risk of stating the obvious, we're two days until deadline, we're probably eliminating rh9 or alyssa. there's some argument for eliminating alyssa as a way of preventing the game from stagnating as the mod looks for further replacements, but i mean idk lol theyre both pretty interchangeable fmpov.

megzum, what does "still support the rh9 wagon" mean? like, youre not voting rh9, youre voting enchant

p-edit: okay but you just burned your one iso read from me

I was on the rh9 wagon previously but game was stagnant
Also Deadline is still frozen

[MegAzumarill]

Their reaction to pressure read as manipulative and disingenuous is the primary reason although they had some weird points in day 1

[MegAzumarill]

Important thing with M + M was that they claimed IC and since retracted.

[MegAzumarill]

You guys should at least let me explain myself instead of flashvoting me ok?

Noted

[MegAzumarill]

@kerset ia Deadline frozen for Alyssa replacement or no

no

[MegAzumarill]

VOTE: Rh9
Prefer this to the bears but will change if need be

[MegAzumarill]

What do we gain from a potential town or jester M + M lim here?

[MegAzumarill]

Vote Count 2.11

With 12 votes in play, it takes 7 to eliminate.

Milk & Mocha (4):Enchant, RH9, numberQ, Dwlee99,
RH9 (4): Voyc, mc esther, MegAzumarill, Three,
Alyssa The Lamb (2): Harley Quinn, Firebringer,
Three (1): Alyssa The Lamb,
Voyc (0):
Enchant (0):
Firebringer (0):
numberQ (0):
mc esther (0):
Dwlee99 (0):
Harley Quinn (0):
MegAzumarill (0):

Not Voting

(1): Milk & Mocha,

Deadline:

(expired on 2022-01-08 22:16:26)

Harley Quinn is on V/LA

+ FB votes Rh9

[MegAzumarill]

What do we gain from a potential town or jester M + M lim here?

obviously i dont believe we get anything out of eliminating jester!mocha. town!mocha, eh, it's a deadline elimination, it's not ideal but frankly i dont even think rh9 is ideal.

I've made this before but Alyssa/Rh9 read as aligned which gives some value to clear a slot if RH9 is wrong
I suspect we have 1-2 mafia in the lurk zone if they flip town as well

[MegAzumarill]

If RH9 is town I'll jump back on the M&M train tomorrow

+1 tbh

[MegAzumarill]

Consider my vote spiritually on M + M

E-2 BTW

[MegAzumarill]

Let everyone post first smh

[MegAzumarill]

Still courteous if nothing else
Worst case scenario it wastes a few hours we wouldn't have been using anyway

[MegAzumarill]

Well gj pooky

[MegAzumarill]

Mlimlo tomorrow

[MegAzumarill]

1. Why is numberq town? Their day 1 and 2 is imo abysmal and featured very little solving work.

2. Why is Harley scum? Their play has seemed for the most part very towny and solve so I'm confused why you want to vote here. ( I agree this slot is probably scum via poe but I'd want to vote a scummier player like Voyc or numberQ first)

my solve is
Alyssa, Dwlee, FB -> Town
HQ Enchant NumberQ Voyc -> contain all three scum (probably Enchant as the town but I'm not confident on that one yet)

[MegAzumarill]

VOTE: no elim

I don't think FB is scum but their rule breaking is probably not AI.
Night

[MegAzumarill]

looker, have you been able to read anything? it may be helpful to have a fresh perspective

It may be helpful to have your perspective

[MegAzumarill]

Weird kill tbh

[MegAzumarill]

Enchant was obvtown, not a weird kill

What concerns me is that I had posted a 4 person poe ayesterday nd Enchant was in it.

If I'm right on the last three then that would be a risky move, which makes me suspect there's lhf in there somewhere.

might be overthinking though, IIRC they weren't townread much by other people

[MegAzumarill]

NKA may actually be helpful then if that's right.
I don't know if I'm interpreting that right, but my concern would be scum unlikely to aim there anyway

[MegAzumarill]

Don't wanna upkeep the subtext so Dwlee I assume you are implying

Because many people reacted in a way that would not makes sense as a response to FB's fake reveal, the people who did not react to it would look more like IC in scum's eyes, but since none of those people were killed they are likely to be scum?

Or I'm reading too much into it

[MegAzumarill]

What were you referring to?

I honestly haven't checked but IIRC it's voyc, Looker, HQ, and I think one more

[MegAzumarill]

If my theory is true it would clear me FB slot and you
I think that's prolly all town regardless so that's convenient

[MegAzumarill]

Also want to vote out voyc

If I'm wrong doubly on FB and/or you well played to mafia tbh

[MegAzumarill]

The crucial time for this arguement was before the force replace and like I said in my first post bringing this up I have problems with it myself.

Probably best to drop it atp

[MegAzumarill]

I reveal myself

Why you fucking did that if we needed no-lim

The idea is :
Enchant being thought of as the IC after this post if unfathomable unless scum had everyone else marked as likely non IC as well, which I could see Dwlee and me marked as such.

The problem is:
Scum may have just taken killing a more widely townread player than a player that is in their IC pool but also is scummy.

Scum may have thought Enchant was actually IC because ??? reasons



The fact you didn't react in the metric is the more incriminating part.

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I don't think it's useful rn but you sit nicely in poe territory right now anyway.

Voyc, numberQ, Harley I want full readslists today preferably soon.

Nobody vote without intent, we can lose to one misvote

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I don't think it's useful rn but you sit nicely in poe territory right now anyway.

Voyc, numberQ, Harley I want full readslists today preferably soon.

Nobody vote without intent, we can lose to one misvote

I don’t do full ordered readslists on command and I’m getting somewhat annoyed that you haven’t responded to anything I’ve said.

So how about you maybe address that instead off issuing orders?

I in particular didn’t care for the bolded.

You also didn’t respond to Q, who’s valid point, you just conveniently ignored. How is Fire slot out of your PoE? Hell, why are you “clear” based off of your reactions to Fire?

There's some miscommunication here but the point I brought up I myself never held to be airtight.

I'm not responding more to it because there's actual behavior we can analyze and better discussion to have today

[MegAzumarill]

Math is giving off weird vibes and I honestly don't know what to make of it

[MegAzumarill]

Maybe not the right term

Weird reads would be better

[MegAzumarill]

Gun to my head initial impression is Dwlee Quinn Meg probably has at least one scum.
Dwlee because not dead yet
Quinn because they like Dwlee’s posts but based on what’s on this page didn’t consider why Dwlee isn’t dead
Meg because tbeir tone doesn’t match the last game I was with them on

If we could fake vote to determine who should vote that would be great.

Is there a reason you are saying these slots are linked or is your scumreads independent

[MegAzumarill]

Why do you read voyc as lhf over scum?

[MegAzumarill]

Voyc I gave a pass (mentally at least) because although they were low content it was obvious they were doing something.
At this point I don't think that thing is solving the game, or even figuring out alignments in general.

[MegAzumarill]

What do you find scummy about dwlee's behavior
be specific please

[MegAzumarill]

*pokes voyc*

[MegAzumarill]

I'm also confused regarding the advantage of no-elimming yesterday, but I'm assuming that's because town collectively distrusted their ability to find scum? The only PR I see is IC and I don't see how that role is benefited by a no-elim (as opposed to a Cop/roleblocker, etc).

Because it was melo.

Furthermore because there is one less possible mislim for today to the same amount of scum, it increases the EV of town

[MegAzumarill]

Voyc is most likely scum because they've failed to make an effort to solve the game at all

of dwlee/Q I'd vote Q but I'd rather send a different slot.

Even if 1 or dwlee/Q is scum that means fmpov the other 4 slots are also 50/50 so I don't see why it's better to eliminate in the two rather than outside of it. That said I also don't see why it couldn't be possible for all scum to be off wagon.

[MegAzumarill]

I get vibes of that but I don't think scum would bring that much attention to themselves in melo like this. It'd be a gambit to be sure. It really just gives me more reason to think voyc is scum because I don't see a scum!Math ever doing this if voyc is actually town.

[MegAzumarill]

intent to vote

Voyc reveal now

[MegAzumarill]

Mathblade, your point of there must be 1 scum on the Jester wagon isn't compelling in part because I think every player alive right now would join that wagon, the ones that did were just the ones that hit the thread first.

The only person you could make an arguement that they didn't want to be on the wagon for whatever is me, which I covered why on that day ( was waiting on people to get to post, but still intended to put the wagon at E-1)

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Wouldn't the person who did that be scum then though?
Don't understand what you're saying

[MegAzumarill]

Have you heard of bussing

Yes I have but with players inactive there’s 0 reason to.

Are you saying you think there's no chance that scum could be bussing their buddy that literally isn't here.
Scum need 1 mislim and they don't particularly care when.
Any move that obfuscates their alignment is viable

[MegAzumarill]

Dismissing Voyc as having to be town because they have no townreads (besides you) is bad logic

[MegAzumarill]

Travelling, but my sentiments haven't changed. Dwlee/Harley Quinn/Voyc/Looker maybe?

Is that your townread list?

[MegAzumarill]

*pokes voyc harder*

reminder you need to reveal if you are IC

[MegAzumarill]

funnily considering the number of reps we have 3 OG players left from day 1.

[MegAzumarill]

Dakota if you are IC you should reveal

[MegAzumarill]

autocorrect

dkkoba

[MegAzumarill]

voyc because voyc was being subbed first I think

[MegAzumarill]

tell us more dwlee

r u hq

[MegAzumarill]

+1

[MegAzumarill]

Oh before I go (no I haven't left my apartment yet lol) I believe the punishment for fake claiming IC was supposed to be a modkill but firebringer was force replaced instead.

What do you make of this?

If it's anything it's +town but I doubt alignment would've changed it

[MegAzumarill]

Wooldn't it be a baad idea not to sheep Dwlee99. Ewe would have to be a rambunctious crook.

[MegAzumarill]

Dwlee99 have been revealed as

Innocent Child

DkKoba (Voyc)/Harley Quinn/MegAzumarill

I don't like that both Mathfire's and DkKobaVoyc's slots fakeclaimed IC (Voyc didn't strike me as very impactful, either, and - much like Quinn and Meg - voted predominantly town). Willing to vote Quinn as potential scum to ease burden of replacement. Meg is paranoia.

@IC: Can I vote? As in, are you ready to die?

u got like only 1 correct :c

This implies you think I'm town, why?

[MegAzumarill]

Is that what you think scum talk about...sandwiches

yes

[MegAzumarill]

Spoiler: scum chat in every mafia game

[MegAzumarill]

Lack of quickhammer isn't actually applicable because a slot is being replaced. (Except if that slot is the one not being quickhammered)

Still wanna vote the Koba slot though

[MegAzumarill]

If town votes town theoretically all 3 mafia can vote and game is over

[MegAzumarill]

Not sure on numbers/you and Looker was the Alyssa slot which was pretty solidly townie and I don't dislike their content here