Open 840 - Guardians of the Fortress Saboteur PT

[Lukewarm]

Hello friends!

I played in the original set up of this, so have some experience.

Scum dominated that game (although I was town lol)

[Lukewarm]

The Town

imaginality
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Toogeloo

Everyone Else

numberQ
Tanner - public datisi alt
DArby
Aristeia
VP Baltar
implosion


I have played with Datisi and Ari once each (possibly more with Ari if my main guess is correct, but I am never confident in those so not commenting on that) (and Toog. Hi Toog!

I have never encountered the rest of the player list before x.x

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At the Gate, one Guardian player is chosen by the Saboteurs overnight to be publicly confirmed as a Guardian. The Guardians must vote to eliminate the Saboteur to win.
At the Wall, there are no special rules. Guardians must vote to eliminate the Saboteur to win.
At the Keep, Guardians must vote on one player. If that player is a Guardian, the Guardians wins; otherwise, the Saboteurs win.

Gate is a 50/50. Will always result in a cross vote between scum and a townie, with the other townie having hammer power. 1v1
Wall is 33/66 basic Elo. This is the game most in our favor
Keep is a 66/33 reverse elo. This is the game least in our favor. You don't just have to be town read, you have the be The Most Town Read.

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At the Gate, one Guardian player is chosen by the Saboteurs overnight to be publicly confirmed as a Guardian. The Guardians must vote to eliminate the Saboteur to win.
At the Wall, there are no special rules. Guardians must vote to eliminate the Saboteur to win.
At the Keep, Guardians must vote on one player. If that player is a Guardian, the Guardians wins; otherwise, the Saboteurs win.

Gate is a 50/50. Will always result in a cross vote between scum and a townie, with the other townie having hammer power. 1v1
Wall is 33/66 basic Elo. This is the game most in our favor
Keep is a 66/33 reverse elo. This is the game least in our favor. You don't just have to be town read, you have the be The Most Town Read.

[Lukewarm]

My intention as town was going to be to automatically lock myself into the Keep in my first post, but we can chat about that since I am actually scum lmao

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My intention as town was going to be to automatically lock myself into the Keep in my first post, but we can chat about that since I am actually scum lmao

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Uhhh. Sorry for double posts :O

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Getting us each into different games is very strong.

In the original running of this game, the scum team all locked in pretty early, while most of the town waffled on where to go

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Yeah, when I say locked in early, I don't mean all on the first page. just that they were some of the earliest to have a reason to lock into a place. And that very much worked in their favor in the end.

The third locked in on like page 30 something. So they didn't really hard rush it. sorry if unclear

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Yeah, when I say locked in early, I don't mean all on the first page. just that they were some of the earliest to have a reason to lock into a place. And that very much worked in their favor in the end.

The third locked in on like page 30 something. So they didn't really hard rush it. sorry if unclear

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Although, if I were town this game, I would have locked in first post.

Wondering if I still should, cause that is what town luke would have done, or if you think I should just hold off anyways. That was more of a me thing, then a team thing lol

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I don't know why that keeps happening :/

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Basically, in the last game I wanted to be in the keep, but then didn't get it, and then was the losing vote at the wall. So I had intended to just strong arm my way into the keep this game lol

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I don't know our partner, imaginality. I also am unfamiliar with implosion, Tanner, and Aristeia. I don't follow Alts, lol.

As for what you should do... Absolutely do what you would have done as town.

I only knew who Tanner was because they said it in the sign up thread lol

/confirm prism pre-in

should mention that this is a public datisi alt. so don't join if you hate me

[Lukewarm]

I witnessed the greatest scum game I have seen to date in the original guardians game. Ydra was magnificent. (She was playing as a Briar alt, but revealed herself mid game Incase either of you or Prism want to look at her play.)

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Also, sorry in advance. I talk a lot in hoods and Mafia chat lol

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There exists an important exception to the above: The player chosen by the Saboteurs to be publicly revealed as a Guardian may continue to post after the resolution of their minigame at the Gate.

Huh, this is new.

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Do either of you have a preference on where to go?

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My goal of that post, is to possibly look like I want to buddy/pocket you in the keep. So like, something for after I flip. You being in the keep with me is not the worst thing, but I was not actually trying to get you to go in right this second

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Also, btw - scum luke would want town toog in the keep with me if possible, because in the last game you and I played together where I was scum, I was your number one strongest town read.

So, maybe it wouldn't play out the same, but looking at a player list full of people I don't know, you would be my pocket target in the keep.

So, that is maybe something to have in the back of your mind if I flip first tomorrow

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This set up has less punishment for being suspicious of your partners I think? Because you will never be in a situation to have to vote for them, like ever

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So you don't have to walk it back

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One of the best things that I think we can do is just make sure that we are all staying active. Like, I would love for all three of us to be in the top half of posters this game!

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Well, today can be the first!

But really, I'm not meaning for you to be the number one posts. Like, just avoid being the bottom 3 posters

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Hah...

I'm a 12 year old account that is still a JoaT title. I'm not a hyper poster lol.

Omg I just check both of our total posts. I am gaining on you fast and I just joined this year lol

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So, I kinda don't think that me and ara can both end up at the keep. Whether that means me swapping out or her swapping out, i don't know. But I don't think that we can end up together :/

The moment that she locked in, I knew that it was because she thought I was scum and just saying that it was because of tanner wanting to be in the keep with Tanner. She decided that I was scum making a play, and put herself there to vote against me in the minigame.

Ari, underneath that alt character, is very good at this game

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I think I have thrown her off of me some what, but I think that she is still likely to avoid the keep voting me. Either, she will try and get the other person to vote her, or will just vote that other person if she can't do it.

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Ari, underneath that alt character, is very good at this game

See me being her first scum read, and then both of you being on her scum list as well

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I actually think we might need to try and swap her into which ever game is going to resolve first or let her stay in the keep if we think it will resolve first

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Figuring out swaps feels impossible before we have more info on where people are going

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Also, don't let my post frequency fool you - I am actually not all that good at this game I don't think. I have won a single scum game and then lost 3.

The main thing that I bring to the table is a bottomless well of WIM. I will be near the top of the post count from the start of the game til the moment I die, and people scum reading me results in unbelievably detailed wall posts.

Strategy, A Plan, anything like that - not this boy. I am free flying out there just making as much content as I can, hoping to make isoing me post flip a Nightmare, and *maybe* have some false associatives along the way.

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Luke I think I got ditched

would you want to flirt with me so I can feel special and I'll vote for you?

yes I know I said I scumread you but it's cold tonight and I'm lonely.

This. Feels. Like. A. Trap. AHHHHHHH

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Wary of making Ari IC if she's as good as Luke reckons

I kinda wish Ari was a public alt, but I double checked and it is not.

I will say though, in our last game together, I was impressed with their reads. Like Prism (Hi mod!) repped in and promptly pocketted me, and Ari instantly spotted it

I think that this makes Prism town tho.

-snip-

Luke you are adoorbs and so naive I just want to hug you.

The instant, literally the next post - Luke you big dummy, Prism is Scum here - left me impressed

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Yeah her post inviting you to flirt was definitely a trap. You demurred neatly enough I'd say

Thanks - but I don't know when to stop, and just had a mental spiral in thread over it!

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Yeah, I am good now. really by the time I said it in here I was fine.

Thanks tho!

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It is possible that it worked in our favor?

I was thinking, and I might actually be able to stay in the keep ?? if we have a scummy option to send to the keep with me and Ari, we can just give them hammer power. If we can make it look like a "3 town made it into the keep, so they had to swap someone in" kinda thing

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The question is, would you rather 1v1 someone (gate) or would you rather to regular Elo (wall)

Joining the keep takes away the thing that I town read you for? But also I guess makes us look like we are not partnered

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Maybe lead with you are bored, but then ask where to go?

I don't know. Im bad at this game lol

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There was absolutely no reason for me to pick that fight with tanner. But I did

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I uh, think I have made Ari question tanner some how? Like this whole line of questioning feels like a trap for him similar to that other one for me

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Location	Guardians
Gate (2)	VP Baltar (418), imaginality (424), Tanner
Keep (2)	Lukewarm (28), Aristeia(36), Implosion
Wall (2)	Toogeloo (422), numberQ (423), DArby

[Lukewarm]

I think that I like the DArby Implo swap. At that point, it think that all 3 games are 50/50 1v1s

DArby swapping into the keep would also kind of explain why "no one was jumping to go to that last slot" because DArby was not here for some of that, and maybe the scum team was just accepting that the "Dead weight" would just go to the game scum was going to lose anyways.

The down side of that being that who ever replaces DArby, or hell, DArby himself, we kind of have no idea where he would lean between Ari or Me

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I think that in that scenario, I lean into the idea that I am sure that Ari is the town between DArby and Ari, and ask if I should just vote Ari. Then (hopefully) the DArby replacement is worried and asks for vote control.

That is the best way I see to make sure that DArby's replacement gets vote control, and has a favorable view of me because I was offering to vote.

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As a selfish look into the IC choice, I think that ICing tanner would seem more likely to come from Ari then from Me, which might point in my favor.

But, I think your 1v1 choice is much more important then that. Just a thought that I had

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I think that implo should always swap out. But who comes in his place is not super important to me I guess

I think that if inplonstays, the keep is always lost.

And I think that we should be aiming for a chance at each one, admitting defeat on any game seems dangerous because they both other games are must wins, which is hard to guarantee.

The issue I see is that Ari and inplo are my top two town reads, so of they are both there then I automatically become the voter

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What moves do you suggest?

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I think that pav is a decent choice for me to convince I am town btw. I have played several games with him

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And I actually think he will be suspicious of Ari's style if he has not encountered her before

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No, we have just been friendly.

And I think he is inclined to town read me on effort. So I think I am gonna do a reread over the night phase, and have notes on everyone, and I think that plus offering to vote for Ari could do it

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Hello. This is probably too late, but my re-read got delayed because of the holiday.

in my iso notes, I found a good angle to press Tanner I think, so I am posting it tomorrow regardless as part of my "night time notes" - This can either be used as a "why would luke case tanner so hard if he knew tanner was getting the ic" to help me, or it couldbe used to miselim tanner.

If either of you are on, I am here to talk about it. But I think it works to help us win a game either way!

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Tanner

Maybe I am just getting conf biased here, but looking back over his iso, I am leaning even more towards him being scum. His plan for the keep does nothing for me reading it back, because that plan wins it for town tanner and for scum tanner, so he could very much want that plan either way.

21 feels

off

to me. like the "I want you to be town, bit it's obviously too early to tell" feels... idk if performative is the right word, maybe forced?

I also don't like his interaction with Ari 72 and 74 72 feels like a lot of words to say nothing, but then to drop his town lean on Ari for some reason.

I am trying to see the town motivation behind

why would your read of me even matter if I am going to be voting for you?

those are words that aren't yet actions, and i'm still not sure if i will be calling that bluff.

His response here does not make sense to me. Her "bluff" is that she is going to vote for him, which if she is telling the truth wins the game for him regardless of his alignment. If she is "bluffing" what is the concern for town Tanner? IF she is scum bluffing, then she you give her voting power, and town tanner wins. IF she is town bluffing, then she is giving voting power, and tanner is in a 1v1 with the other person in the keep - which is where he later says that he wants to be, the person in the 1v1, not the person making the vote

depends on whether i'm the person 1v1'ing or if i'm the person deciding the vote. if i'm the one 1v1'ing, i've never lost. if i'm deciding, i've never decided correctly. which is why i wanted to go to keep and why i want to avoid the gate at all costs. and why i'll probably end up there.

So this worry about "calling her bluff" feels more like scum tanner, worried that if he acceprts her offer, she will scum read him for it and then vote the other person.

-Also, all the things I brought up day one about his game choice
-Also, also, his attempt to force the implo, baltar, imafin game felt contrived
-Also, also, also - him jumping to the gate, after I said that I did not think that town tanner would want the all bothers me.[/area


Here is what I typed up for tanner in my iso notes

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Tanner

Maybe I am just getting conf biased here, but looking back over his iso, I am leaning even more towards him being scum. His plan for the keep does nothing for me reading it back, because that plan wins it for town tanner and for scum tanner, so he could very much want that plan either way.

21 feels

off

to me. like the "I want you to be town, bit it's obviously too early to tell" feels... idk if performative is the right word, maybe forced?

I also don't like his interaction with Ari 72 and 74 72 feels like a lot of words to say nothing, but then to drop his town lean on Ari for some reason.

I am trying to see the town motivation behind

why would your read of me even matter if I am going to be voting for you?

those are words that aren't yet actions, and i'm still not sure if i will be calling that bluff.

His response here does not make sense to me. Her "bluff" is that she is going to vote for him, which if she is telling the truth wins the game for him regardless of his alignment. If she is "bluffing" what is the concern for town Tanner? IF she is scum bluffing, then she you give her voting power, and town tanner wins. IF she is town bluffing, then she is giving voting power, and tanner is in a 1v1 with the other person in the keep - which is where he later says that he wants to be, the person in the 1v1, not the person making the vote

depends on whether i'm the person 1v1'ing or if i'm the person deciding the vote. if i'm the one 1v1'ing, i've never lost. if i'm deciding, i've never decided correctly. which is why i wanted to go to keep and why i want to avoid the gate at all costs. and why i'll probably end up there.

So this worry about "calling her bluff" feels more like scum tanner, worried that if he acceprts her offer, she will scum read him for it and then vote the other person.

-Also, all the things I brought up day one about his game choice
-Also, also, his attempt to force the implo, baltar, imafin game felt contrived
-Also, also, also - him jumping to the gate, after I said that I did not think that town tanner would want the all bothers me.

Here is what I typed up for tanner in my iso notes

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Also, sorry. I checked back like 30 mins after my first post, and assumed you were both not here. Just barely missed you

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I think that my iso notes are gonna be the same regardless of the swaps / ic choice.

But once I typed up the "bluff" part of the iso notes, I realized that it was actually decent.

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I think that me having a case on Tanner, and then him promptly being IC'd is decent towards me winning the keep.

I lean hard into Ari being town in my iso notes, and I think that Pav is always the voter. I think it can sway Pav.

But I might could do that with who ever the IC is, as long as Pav is swapped for Ari.

I am much less confident in my game if I dont get pav, but we dont have to win all three, so if you think you can both win another way, then doing something different is not the worst thing

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Yes, I did.

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My brain said Keep: me, Pav, Ari -- and plugged in the names even though it did not make sense lol

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I have you lean scum and toog lean town. Hope that vibes with you both

You actually have a section of saying that I have worries, but I don't think you are ever partnered with tanner, so that pulls you more town - my conclusion with you in null. But once tanner is IC'ed, you obviously go back to scum lean.

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Let me go reread why I thought Tanner should be IC.

Basically

1) We did not want to swap at the gate, so the only IC choices we (or I at least) seriously considered were Tanner and VP Baltar

2) WIFOM, that we would IC someone who has voiced concerns on each of us.

3) I asked who you would rather 1v1 of the 2 of them

4) Tanner said that he has never chosen correctly in Elo, so him being a guiding voice in all three elos could work in our favor.

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I think that Toog has a good chance 1v1ing numberQ

I think I have a good chance swaying Pav

So, I think that the most important thing is probably who you would rather 1v1 out of the two

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I think that backfires my notes just now.

Like the opposite of "why case him if he is gonna become ic" - to "obviously Luke cased him because he knew he was gonna be in the same game as him"

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Like, Tanner if gets me cred. Tanner non-ic is what ever. Tanner in the keep is bad for me lol

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I think I have good odds with pav. Decent enough odds with numbers or baltar. Poor odds with Tanner. Auto lose with implo

All assuming Ari as my third

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I think that the narrative I have, is that the scum team was down Darby, and planned on swapping him into the keep and accept the loss there since it's the hardest game to win anyways.

Or, once the keep is resolved, that means I flipped. At that point, it is a non-issue because everyone knows that scum didn't care about the last keep slot because scum were already in the keep. So what difference did it make to him that implo went in it, as long as him or their last partner didn't end up there

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Like, post keep resolution, now it could be framed as scum suggesting a townie so that 2 scum don't end up there. Which is helped by me being pro implo in the keep

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I'm my catch up I suggest that the wall (toogs game) resolves last.

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How was your Christmas's?

I've already forgotten what I should be preparing for going into the Day lol.

My Christmas was good! How was yours?

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I imagine town Toog would have put more thoughts into numberq and Darby then the rest of the player list because those two were in your game pre swap. So having thoughts on those two at the ready would probably make sense, even though we know that Darby is swapping away from you

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People have a sense I generally bus as scum so I haven't done that in this game, maybe someone will be misled by that if I flip first.

This may be a bad strategy, because I seem to do it every scum game, but I tend to read my partners differently.

Like this game, I have in my suggestions that Toog gets vote power over numberq and Darby because I town read him (and that is not actually a trio anyways, so what ever)

But in your section I say you look scummy, but not partnered with Tanner - so an ic Tanner makes you scum

Which, my general hope being that if we make it to the third game, who ever is left looks not partnered with me because you are being treated differently then my confirmed partner

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I agree with you not auto town locking implo. Mildly suspicious of him, but leaning numberq makes sense. Because from your pov they both have a 50/50 chance of being scum

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Was Pav moved because they're scum and it was obvious that slot would be voted out at the Wall? I could see both Luke and Ari being town tbh in light of this swap.

This is probably a good angle to think that numberQ is my partner after I flip. If I was town, I would question him for this line. -- But i can't if we want him to look like my partner later. Maybe one of you want to ?

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I think i am still okay with Pav. I think he is more suspicios of me then he would be, simply because he has not really figured out the set up. By the time he votes, I think we are good.

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Well, I managed to pocket Ari

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Me flipping apparently makes Ari say imaginality is town? Not sure why lol

Sad that she flips when I do, so she won't be here to push that idea more

[Lukewarm]

Hello friends, how are we feeling?

Any ideas on what anyone should not should not be doing? Especially across games, I am open to angles that you think I should take in your games to better set you up if I flip first

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I also, kinda regret the insta lock into the Keep. I think I could have handily won either other game at this point :/

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That was to be expected. Going into this day phase, I understood you would end up in a cross vote with him.

His read does not matter, that game rests on implos read.

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I think Ari votes me, bit I don't think I can push for Ari to vote.

I *think* pav voting is still okay. He is paranoid of Ari too, so he is not voting soon, and I think he is likely to listen to others and I am fairly town read. I think my recent post might reach him too (have read yet to see)

It is also possible that Ari gets tired of pav putting it off and votes. I think that could happen. Pav is told to vote, but he keeps saying he isn't ready, and Ari takes it as a scum claim.

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I want to find a way to paint someone other than you as most credible Keep scumbuddy for VP, Luke, but not sure I can?

I have been going after Baltar pretty hard I think?

IF anything, I have been worried that I am going too hard against him, to the point that if I flip first he will look like he is never my partner here :/

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What game do you guys think that we want to have flip first?

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Like this game, I have in my suggestions that Toog gets vote power over numberq and Darby because I town read him (and that is not actually a trio anyways, so what ever)

But in your section I say you look scummy, but not partnered with Tanner - so an ic Tanner makes you scum

Interesting to me that this ended up swapping as the day went on? Like I thought I was gonna be town reading toog and scum reading imaginality, but here I am doing the opposite lol

Remember when I said that I don't actually plan things out too well, and kinda just go. Well, even when I had an idea before I started, I still just kinda went.


too be fair (to myself), I think that these are where my reads would be if I were town, and that is kinda my goal?

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Sorry you are not feeling well toog. are you seriously considering repping out?

I think you are doing fine, and, as always, I enjoy your presence in our games together

But also, if you don't feel up to it, don't stay just cause I said that lol

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Sorry to hear that Toog. Hope you feel better soon

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Feel better man

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The keep flipping first is probably best for us?

My scun flip would look bad for implo, and possibly shake that game up (which currently looks like a loss if it flips first)

Not sure who's to push for my own game to go first though :/

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Sometimes I think that my posting level is a curse. My "slip" in 560 could have been nice, but I dont think that anyone will ever see it again because who the hell is doing a deep iso on me post flip lol

Spoiler:

Also, Baltar, you do realize that imaginality is only confirmed

town

from your POV, and not from tanner's, right?

luke and vp confirmed scum ggwp

Funny enough, this really was a typo. And I spotted it. And I then actively chose to not correct it, because if it was taken as a slip later that was better for us lol

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But yeah, it does appear to be sliding towards the keep going first. Pav is also lowering his guard on me, and has changed from being sure I am scum (still not sure why he was to begin with tbh) to talking to me about the possibility that Ari is the scum. Both are very good things for us.

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I am nervous about who our replacement is going to be x.x

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Ari and implo out here doing the lord's work

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Sometimes I think that my posting level is a curse. My "slip" in 560 could have been nice, but I dont think that anyone will ever see it again because who the hell is doing a deep iso on me post flip lol

Spoiler:

Also, Baltar, you do realize that imaginality is only confirmed

town

from your POV, and not from tanner's, right?

luke and vp confirmed scum ggwp

Funny enough, this really was a typo. And I spotted it. And I then actively chose to not correct it, because if it was taken as a slip later that was better for us lol

Uh, lmao

Luke said something earlier in the day about Imag only being confirmed town to VPBaltar, Tanner noted it as a skip and Luke laughed it off. If Luke does flip scum this does feel like more likely to be a slip.

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Hello !

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I think that my "scum slip" on baltar has been mentioned enough that me flipping first probably helps you A Lot.

And me flipping scum could lead to an Implo miselim at the wall too.

The keep flipping first I think is infinitely better for us, even if I lose. Neither of those things work in reverse in our favor.

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NumberQ is already locked in on your slot because he thinks implo is townie.

The options for you to win your game are for you to convince implosion that you are townie, and get number q eliminated

OR, once I flip, let Ari's argument that I am partnered with implosion sway numberq

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The second option is only available if I flip first tho

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Probably. Also, good luck with this Tanner situation

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From your pov, Implosion and numberQ has a scum in it - 100%

You should absolutely be approaching the game like you know there is one in there. NumberQ is definitely the easier push right now, unless you come up with some new case against implo.

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Your all good, I don't mind the scum read coming from you.

But, it kinda solidifies my scum read on your slot that was already a little there before rep in. I am a somewhat notorious OMGUS'er as town. I bristle at people scum reading me. I don't lock in, but it makes me suspicious. And for you that is being added to a slot that I was already slightly scum reading

This probably helps you if the keep goes first, hurts you if the wall goes first

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I am also notorious for presenting my reads very confidently as town. It is something that regularly alerts people I havent played with before, but it is definitely a feature of my town play.

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Not that you would have any reason to know that of course lol

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FYI, the reason for my confidence is actually because prior to replacing in, I had ISOed you, implosion, and numberQ. I had already scumread you before knowing that you were in fact, scum.

But I will try to push numberQ.

When you did implosion and numberQ, who did you think was scum at the wall? Or did you already think that toog was scum?

You can push which ever you want, don't change your target based on me. I just saw Q as the easier push

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I am sorry if I go too hard on you. My thinking is that the keep looks like it will go first, and this could be good for you.

If you would rather me give you some breathing room, I can do that!

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I kinda need the keep to flip. Keeping this level of townieness up 100% of the time is exhausting. In normal games, scum can run at 80% of the time, most of the time. But just not getting eliminated here is not enough.

After playing this game twice, I think that town should probably not flip the keep first. In the first game, the keep flipped first for a scum win, and this one is leaning that way too. If scum has an uber townie looking WiM player, it is probably good for town to delay that game to see if they tire out / slip up over time. I think given enough time Birar could have lost the keep and given enough time I would lose the keep.

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You do you I guess, but I don't really understand why you were sure I was scum to begin with.

I plan to fight you hard on it. Hopefully enough that people are so sure that we are unpartnered like they think that Ari and implo are unpartnered.

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Yeah, its a public alt account

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Ari cannot be skitter, I saw a game with them both in it. Never encountered morning tweet before

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I don't normally care too much about figuring out alts, but Ari likes to talk to / about me like she has a lot of meta on me. And that is what ends up making me internally speculate on her main, and her having been in my pasts games.

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Just read praise for your towngame, Lukewarm. I finally understand why so much people TR you.

I read the Scummie nomination.

I didn't know that your towngame was that good.

I actually did not see that until you just pointed it out

I don't know that I would say that my game is "that good," but I think that I am solidly pretty decent at this. But thanks for the ego boost (also should thank notty and ffery for that lol)

I lean pretty hard into thinking about mech in my games, I think that was referenced in the nom.

Like, the things that you are calling me scum for are hallmarks of my town game lol

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Gate flipping first is worst case scenario for us.

I think that always loses the keep, because everyone will suddenly be for voting Ari.

If you win the gate, then the keep loses, and the game rests on RH9 at the wall.

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If the keep goes first, I think we win. With Ari's casing on both Baltar and Implo being my most likely partners, I think that at least once of them will be voted.

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Wall going first is

fine

. I don't think that RH's flip looks particularly bad for either of us, and we would both have a shot.

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I don't think you changing your narrative was necessarily the right play. Going from like is my top scum read to a hard change feels strange.

But alas, here we are.

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Imaginaliy, your back and forth with Ari was unfortunate. I glad to see inplonis moving the conversation away from it Abit, I do want to see what other people think about it. Like baltar and Tanner in particular. Implo still ok team town Luke is good.

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Imaginality, how do you feel about me agreeing with Ari's case, but saying that you were just scared of calling me scum because you thought having a contract read on one of the top town read players would have drawn attention to yourself?

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Honestly though, it's a bad point she's making so I hope others see that.
She's taking me considering the possibility of Pav flipping town to mean I'm saying he WILL flip town (which is the reason why she thinks it's scummy I'm not hard scum reading you) and that's just not true.

I think that my honest read of the back and forth of that, if I was town, would be scum caught for the wrong reasons.

Her original point was okay, not great. You could have just as easily have been considering all of the options.

Green Ari looks bad for him for their 1v1, green pav looks bad for him for what ever reason you said before. And ONE of those must be true, so you thought flipping the keep would help make it clear he was scum no matter what.

However, your approach to that 1v1 feels a bit bad from my pov Maybe it is me conf biasing myself, but it looked like cornered scum to me. Which I get it, it was unexpected and a perfect solve.


But that is kind of why I want to see how others react? To see if it looks bad to them?

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Currently doing some voice to text while driving, so forgive me if this is garbled at all.

I do not like the percentages. They feel forced in response to what she said I think? And also having have be that high almost proves her point about it being weird that you were actively and loudly considering him flipping tail. Even if you do go with the percentage option, I don't think it should be 80%.

I think that our path to victory at this point is for me to play chicken with path. I think I need to come in and say that Ari's cases on both of you at the gate has been very persuasive so much so that I don't think that she's ever partnered with either one. And something along the lines of me having held off on voting her to this point because there was a small worry that she could be partnered with you. But last night she demolished that worry LOL

And so at this point I don't think she's ever partnered with baltar after the way they butt heads, and I don't think she's ever partnered with you after the way you genuinely felt so surprised by the angle that you came at her. So from my point of view she's never partnered with either people that I know must contain a scum.

So explain that, and then say that at this point I think that I am ready to just say I'm going to vote for her and I'm going to start making my if x then y post. Say I plan on getting that done by the end of the day, and voting for her, unless Tanner strongly objects for whatever reason or somebody has a strong case for Ari being partnered with either one of you guys cuz I just don't see it.

Only way we win at this point I think, it's for me to play that game of chicken, and pad vote for me. I think Ari absolutely needs to be out of the game so we have to force the key to go first. I think so far as to say that I might even do exactly what Ari jokingly said before, and if Pat hasn't voted me by the end of the day, I vote Ari and hope that that's the final thing that pushes him to vote me. Because I think there are number one goal it's the knockary out. If I can do that and also eat out the win at the keep great, but if not, I think she's got to go.

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To be clear, I don't feel confident that that makes us win. But it feels like not doing that just loses. At this point I think if any of the games solve on their own, whichever game goes first, we lose. Tanner was already leaning you as the scum at the gate before Ari just did this case. And rh9 I think is the default of them elimination at the wall. And now that Ari has presented the correct solve, I don't think that either of y'all flips puts me in a better position to win..

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You just need to figure out why scum Luke plus baltar would make that boat. The answer I think would be something along the lines that I think I'm leaving both other games where they are going to be one. So that would probably implicate implosion. Because I thought that that was going to win. And then also I didn't want Ari to have time to reverse her reads all over again. That one's a bit of a long shot, but I'm not sure what other path to victory we have right now.

If you got something better hit me with it.

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"Luke knew that flipping right after Ari made that case linking us, always kills me"

Borrible play if we are partnered, but is him betting the game on the wall

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I think Toog getting sick really hurt us this game. We really needed the keep to resolve like 24 hours ago, but it was hard to push for it when we had a slot being replaced. Would have been bad with a townie getting replaced, but even worse with a baddie, because we were down a person to push for a flip. And even when we got rh here, it is hard for a newly repped in player to push for it.

Basically him getting sick delayed the first game resolving, which is pretty sad face

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And Tanner with the steel chair!

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On a re-read, I actually think you look better then I thought on my original read in the middle of the night.

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The bad day and migraine are both true btw. I considered not mentioning them in the thread, but I am sure that I sound incredilbly flat right now compared to normal. A bad irl day = a flat sounding luke, even in my prior town games.

Figured having that out there could not hurt

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I am trying my best to paranoia Tanner into having me be voted. I put several things to be worried about Ari in my if x then y, but then didn't call them out persay. Hoping to paranoia Tanner and/pav here into doing something.

Tanner and baltar both seem to have picked up one it

This is a dangerous path to tread, just because they might question why I did not start scum reading Ari for those very things. Best answer I have is being thoroughly pocketed

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@Luke, I'm colourblind to the extent I can't tell whether you put me or VP as red or green. Bright red and bright green are easier but the more muted hues are basically impossible to tell apart.

Not that it matters in any way, just thought I'd mention.

If Ari flips red, you are green, town 100%. Baltar is red

If pav flips red, you orange, Lean scum. Baltar is yellow.

Sorry, probably should have labeled and colored lol

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Tanner has joined the ranks of people I have pocketed this game.

I just need him to pull the trigger, and tell pav to vote me x.x

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Like, that puts us back in this

Ari exiting the game is probably more important then us winning the keep, but if I can win it on my way out, that could be neat

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Ari, underneath that alt character, is very good at this game

Remember when I said this, and now she is the thorn in our side. I called this x.x

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Post redacted by request.

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damn it Ari. I think tanner / baltar / pav would have worked up to voting me if you just were not online right now

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Jesus christ this game of chicken

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Sorry

She was gonna do it

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I guess I threw.

I had a copy paste vote luke ready, and refreshed incase pav got the vote in first. but no

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I am really really sorry. I was telling the truth about the situation giving me a panic attack and my hands shaking.

Cant believe that what is probably my best scum game so far on site is gonna end this way

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Am trolling the thread so that Ari does not try to do associative posts against me. I am really really sorry.

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So incredibly sorry

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redact 276, and I am good