open 841: concgratulations to the winners and losers

[innocentvillager]

i tonw

[innocentvillager]

just trust me I’m green as the chrstimas tree this tim

[innocentvillager]

I’m voting for the next person that posts

I promise

Also I’m a vanilla townie

[innocentvillager]

Hahaha very serious claim above

why did this thread open right before im going to sleeep huehue

[innocentvillager]

VOTE: Faker obvtown

[innocentvillager]

Datisi did u finally roll scum against me u scumfuck??

[innocentvillager]

why do you guys purposely always pick the same numbers

Is it to deter other people from picking them? but there’s no pregame communication how would you expect people to know that you just hope enough people do?

i guess that’s an interesting concept I didn’t t really think about tbh LOL

[innocentvillager]

i just picked a number that I thought was under picked

don’t think many people have picked 10 if not ever in the games I saw

[innocentvillager]

well among town members I mean

Not a dumbslip obviously I know scum have pregame chat

[innocentvillager]

but sure maybe doing absolutely nothing for 4-5 days besides pick a random no and role did make me say that

[innocentvillager]

Datisi you seem kind of salty about me being confirmed town

[innocentvillager]

2 is also underpicked for how good it is but I thought 10 was just clearly better

[innocentvillager]

IV why do you seem self-conscious about your number.

No one else picked it

THEREFORE I’m a genus

I’m just flexing let me have my moment ok

[innocentvillager]

i am genus

[innocentvillager]

i kind of like the idea of setting the fear in scum’s hearts that they might clash with me

Imagine if everyone had an established meta of picking the same number

How boring would that game be

That can’t be the right way to play this game right

[innocentvillager]

VOTE: Datisi tunnel time

[innocentvillager]

i just picked a number that I thought was under picked

don’t think many people have picked 10 if not ever in the games I saw

Dunno this just sounds weirdly vulnerable compared to your posts so far.

Shrug.

well everyone was talking about their numbers and picks and shit and I wanted to jump into the discussion

for example, I thought it was unlikely scum chose both 8 and 9, but knowing SS always chooses 9 I may need to rethink this thought a little

pedit: skitter dw I’m obvtown

[innocentvillager]

Skitter I literally tell you my role at the beginning of every game relax

[innocentvillager]

i thjnk every scumteam has briefly discussed picked the same number as wifom and they’ve almost always decided it wasn’t worth the wifom so I think we can safely assume two same number pickers one must be town

[innocentvillager]

yeah I’m LIVID they called me out for dumb telling absolutely disrespectful

[innocentvillager]

i just picked a number that I thought was under picked

don’t think many people have picked 10 if not ever in the games I saw

Dunno this just sounds weirdly vulnerable compared to your posts so far.

Shrug.

well everyone was talking about their numbers and picks and shit and I wanted to jump into the discussion

for example, I thought it was unlikely scum chose both 8 and 9, but knowing SS always chooses 9 I may need to rethink this thought a little

pedit: skitter dw I’m obvtown

I don’t... really think this a real passing thought you had.

y not?

[innocentvillager]

mare why do u think that faker post was scummy?

[innocentvillager]

It’s just one of those awkward sounding things that feels like you’re making up thoughts to tell us.

ok well I don’t really know how to respond to something like this

let me know if you think of something more specific

[innocentvillager]

It’s just one of those awkward sounding things that feels like you’re making up thoughts to tell us.

ok well I don’t really know how to respond to something like this

let me know if you think of something more specific

I mean, if you want me to nail down the exact, “rethink this thought” is strange.

Ok I’m just gonna rethjnk about this out loud then for a bit (I’m a very soc player this helps me sorry if it’s just clutter for y’all)

i mean the idea behind scum not picking 8 and 9

scum naturally don’t really want to seem too aligned I feel as a first order thing? and picking medium numbers that are literally right next to each other doesn’t seem like something scum subconsciously do

granted you could just think about it for a second and go “oh, there’s no reason townies would find it scummier for our picks if one of us flipped”

but it’s like a subconscious thing u feel, also I don’t thjnk scum empirically do this (pick one away) unless the numbers are really low and they’re going for the high vol strategy

and maybe there’s also the genuine possibility if you pick like 23 and 24 and no one else picks near that region that ppl go “LOL TOO COINCIDENTAL” and just lolvote idk mostly subconscious is what I felt

But knowing SS always picks 9 kind of like cements the first number already if he’s just gonna pick 9 again that it might be more reasonable for scum to decide they could pick 8 or 10 to go along with a similar strat - it seemed more likely than just picking two numbers out of thin air that they would be right next to each other

I thinkkk that’s reasonable and I no longer feel that 8 and 9 pickers are necessarily nonpartnery

[innocentvillager]

skitter is town though!!!

skitter has 1 s, but also has 2 ts so this is prolly right :>

2/3 chance at town so 1/3 chance at scum?

I’m down!

VOTE:

[innocentvillager]

VOTE: Skitter

[innocentvillager]

If anything I think my point stands more given the spat of energetic posting IV made following.

The few games I have seen of IV (9:12 and a few specced) lead me to lean that towards both his initial statements and the followups being very NAI.

Normally I don't like to go out of my way to say this, but you seem to be want me to reassess and engage directly with the attack in a substantive way, so I will humor you.

prolly slightly town indicative I think I’d have to force this as scum

but I can see why you’d think that bc I have tried to force this as scum before

[innocentvillager]

ok don’t actually do it please

But

How bad is massclaim in this setup

I kind of entertained the idea briefly but I have no idea how to do mech

[innocentvillager]

VOTE: Midwaybear

[innocentvillager]

VOTE: skitter

Hi everyone. I pretty much agree with Datisi’s thoughts on flow trap not being w/w with SS. It is more likely than not that scum has someone who was aware of SS pattern, but not guaranteed. Having meta numbers seems a little broken lol

I have no idea why this post pinged me but it did mildly

[innocentvillager]

midwaybear scum
Datisi scum

Mare town
andante town
Faker town

[innocentvillager]

skitter scum

Pooky town
flow town

[innocentvillager]

Datisi in order to bus you have to actually vote your partner

[innocentvillager]

IV why do you seem self-conscious about your number.

No one else picked it

THEREFORE I’m a genus

I’m just flexing let me have my moment ok

*applause*

thank you! I sense a vibrant townie energy from you

[innocentvillager]

midwaybear scum
Datisi scum

Mare town
andante town
Faker town

/sigh

are these serious or?

yep they are my early game slight leans

[innocentvillager]

oh boy am I going to actually get a wagon going on me when I am obvtown already

[innocentvillager]

jk I’m prolly not obvtown but I don’t think I’m like this as scum lol

also I have no idea why I apologized for clutter on that long post when that was the only post that wasn’t clutter in my iso lmao im so sorry

[innocentvillager]

here we go again. *ahem* why am i scummy, iv?

I think you are spending way too much time in the scum PT

[innocentvillager]

VOTE: innocentvillager

ok this guy is obvtown and so is mare

[innocentvillager]

Oh no I’m sorry

*this gal

[innocentvillager]

why do you guys purposely always pick the same numbers

Well I started out just picking it because it was rarely picked but at this point it also deters anyone who's aware of it. This is the first time I've collided and it seems like flow also picked it because it was rarely picked, so that still seems pretty solid.

yeah makes sense thx

[innocentvillager]

Oh no I’m sorry

*this gal

lol it's fine! also I've noticed you say "im sorry" in like every post... stop being sorry!!! have fun! find scum!

LOLL dw I’m having fun and looking for scum I say I’m sorry a lot

here we go again. *ahem* why am i scummy, iv?

I think you are spending way too much time in the scum PT

so, serious accusation of being scum, but a meme response. iv, why do you always make me scumread you?

It was a meme response but not really a meme sentiment I have about u :3

Datisi we’ve had enough reps at this lol you have to expect this every time

[innocentvillager]

yeah that’s a good point flow

See Datisi is totally scum lolll

[innocentvillager]

actually wait there’s a reason why that didn’t ping me but I want to hear it from Darius

Like Datisi u actually think I’m scum here or?

[innocentvillager]

*darius was autocorrect I SWEAR

[innocentvillager]

Like Datisi u actually think I’m scum here or?

by now? not really. i've been skimming this game but everything is kinda getting blurred together and i have no thoughts, so. will try again later.

hm maybe ur town lol idk

[innocentvillager]

Like Datisi u actually think I’m scum here or?

by now? not really. i've been skimming this game but everything is kinda getting blurred together and i have no thoughts, so. will try again later.

hm maybe ur town lol idk

Funny interaction
Datisi: IV, why are you scummy
IV: no u
Datisi: maybe ur town
IV: yeah maybe you are too
Possibly 1 wolf in IV/Datisi.

lmao ur going to have to do better than that scumbear:3

[innocentvillager]

You could probably lim the first three names and hit scum so remember this advanced strategy if we’re flailing EOD.

Brilliant strategy from 4th place

HOW DID I miss this lmao

[innocentvillager]

thus far i like andante and dats

can i get the spice behind these two

Yeah pls “like” Datisi is a strong word to me

[innocentvillager]

midwaybear is town lol

Please tell

[innocentvillager]

thus far i like andante and dats

can i get the spice behind these two

both of you are just feeling very chill
and i think both of you as scum are more tense/stilted/less likely to give real-time free-flowing thoughts than you've been thus far

wow this couldn’t have been further from how I feel about Datisi

Either I’m just terrible at reading him or skitter is scum

[innocentvillager]

Skitter can you quote which posts from datisi you feel have “real time free flowing thoughts” that he’s less likely to have as scum?

[innocentvillager]

hmm on further thought it’s not really that far off from how I feel about him

without disclosing how I feel about his meta completely I feel anecdotally Datisi tries harder at scum than as town he takes it very seriously

Early posts gave me a performative vibe

the latest indifferent post where I started to reevaluate on him did not

He is starting to feel more chill lately but there’s plenty of other things I’m looking for in town datisi that I’m sure we’ll see

[innocentvillager]

lol Flow is town ok

[innocentvillager]

midwaybear is town lol

Please tell

midwaybear is town :3

VOTE: midwaybear

this seems p townie to me lol

also theyre just vibing

And they called me town so

[innocentvillager]

ok don’t actually do it please

But

How bad is massclaim in this setup

I kind of entertained the idea briefly but I have no idea how to do mech

Terrible idea but probably town for entertaining it at all, scum don't usually propose mass claim and risk the blowback

I SRed this btw, I do not see how asking for a mass claim helps anything. If I claim infinite vig here, I could be town or scum, I won't be CCed, it literally does nothing to help us, PRs won't be CCed

Doesn't "help" but the mindset is almost always town driven because scum are never going to be so bold as to suggest the idea if they believe it to be a pro-scum move, as doing so just draws negative attention to them and is unlikely to get cooperation. Way more likely to get floated by town who are trying to experiment - don't think I've ever seen scum propose it, actually. (day 1 mass is more viable in a cosed setup, in here it's pointless and bad)

Look at the motivations, not whether the suggestion is helpful/unhelpful

ehhh I'm not sure I'd say only town would do it, idk innocentvillager at all, but they're striking me at the kind of person who genuinely wants to know about a massclaim here, and would ask it as town/scum like, anytime I ask setup questions/how to play, I'd ask those exact same questions as either alignment. Could also just be partly that I don't TR innocentvillager yet, and they have so many posts so ehhh idk

ok why was it scum indicative originally then to you?

[innocentvillager]

How is it townie.

scum don’t like to contradict themselves

[innocentvillager]

these are potshot rvs reads not gamelocking life changing reads

pedit: yeah but they literally JUst Said bear was town and idk if scum would do that so brazenly

[innocentvillager]

How is it townie.

scum don’t like to contradict themselves

have you not seen flow sit here and just vote half the table?

This is starting to feel like a push from scum, because I only voted 2 people?

do u thjnk scum!andante is purposely lying here? is that why u feel it’s a scum push?

[innocentvillager]

well ok the benefits of a massclaim are to lock scum into a claim and I think their picks say a lot about their priorities and stuff

We have draft info too

We can read into this kind of stuff and share what we all put in for the draft etc and unravel the whole auction

It’s not completely dumb

[innocentvillager]

thus far i like andante and dats
and maybe faker iv and mare

pings on midwaybear
and i'm still somewhat suspicious of catboi's 21 but he obviously isn't super into the game yet so idk we'll see. the sleepless vote was a good point tho

I somehow didn't grok the point you were actually making regarding the draft the first time but I picked high as a hedge and wanted somewhere in the middle - as scum I'd have gone aggressively for a low number because I'd have teammates who could mitigate the damage if I'd ended up doubling up with someone

lol why not the other way around

Why do you have to be the one picking low and your teammate can’t pick low and u pick mid

This defense seems kind of forced?

[innocentvillager]

oh I’m stupid that’s not really what ur saying ig

It’s not like the teammates are picking high is what ur saying

[innocentvillager]

ya andante feels town I’d be very impressed if she was scum here

I’m not really sure why all that feels off tho? Yes that seems like a reasonable summary of some things I’ve done and I don’t really see the issue with any of it..?

[innocentvillager]

actually okay the 20 posts of defending my number is not really how I feel about my contributions there lol

but besides that

[innocentvillager]

andante u are ruining the plan for me to get nightkilled so they don’t hit a pr n1

[innocentvillager]

thank you datisi we knew that already :3

[innocentvillager]

jk just messing it’s still meaningful this early

[innocentvillager]

hmm

I mean that’s interesting, it seems a bit NAI to me ig but maybe ur right idk tho

i have a secret tell on midwaybear that is probably outdated but I want to see if I’m right regardless

[innocentvillager]

I’m not really sure why all that feels off tho?

It feels like you spent a lot of time going "hey look!! I picked 10!! tr me" and I mean, when I ask genuine questions, I care about the answer/getting an answer, sounds like you didn't care what people said in response to a massclaim, as if you already knew the answer you'd get, like why jump into "reads" (I'm not even sure I'd call those reads... too many for how little content there was) when you want to know about massclaiming?? doesn't make sense to me

I have a lot of random thoughts and I just post them as they come to me

Massclaim was a fleeting thought I had Over the night that I didn’t think people would approve really but idk it was a thought I had it was never like a serious thing I wanted to push

And yeah I had some early tonal reads as well so I thought I’d share those as well

I’m not really too sure what else to say here I don’t feel any of this is that wrird

[innocentvillager]

Spoiler:

Datisi did u finally roll scum against me u scumfuck??

i have literally never rolled scum in my life, what are you talking about

Is it to deter other people from picking them?

but there’s no pregame communication

how would you expect people to know that you just hope enough people do?

oh wow nice dumbslip iv i guess you're confirmed town now hehe

Also let the record show that i've no idea how to read iv and while the prior page is probably indicative of something, i've no idea what that something is

this is actually kinda how i feel and i wanna say skitt is +town for the mindmeld or whatever

Not really thrilled with skitter's start. I instinctively did not like the statements about catboi and IV, and checked it against several games but it doesn't line up with any she's played with me as either alignment.

VOTE: Mare

Meh.

you don't like skitter, so you will unvote her?

here we go again. *ahem* why am i scummy, iv?

i liked these

i forgot if I responded but I thought this was p interesting and I maybe kinda see what skitter might be seeing but it’s more a reflection on how feel about skitter rather than daddisi

[innocentvillager]

It feels like you spent a lot of time going "hey look!! I picked 10!! tr me"

Feels more like "I picked 10 and got a good position; I feel elated" to me

Haha role fishing now are we

[innocentvillager]

It feels like you spent a lot of time going "hey look!! I picked 10!! tr me"

Feels more like "I picked 10 and got a good position; I feel elated" to me

Haha role fishing now are we

Yes, give me your role :3

Spoiler:

Seriously though, how is that role fishing?

oh I’m dumb I thought by position u meant role not # in the draft

Presumably I’d be upset if I got a good position in the draft but failed to get my dream role

[innocentvillager]

Actually, I rescind my Anda SR for now

I’m glad u saw the light at the end of the tunnel

[innocentvillager]

midwaybear scum
Datisi scum

Mare town
andante town
Faker town

/sigh

are these serious or?

Oh no

catboi what was this about?

[innocentvillager]

andante I think you are like fitting what you think I should be saying given your personality and stuff and being like this doesn’t fit

Idk like ur accusations feel a lot like “why did you say it kike X instead of Y”

and I don’t feel that is in general really a good way to read ppl

Like idk it’s just kind of what I said and how I talk

[innocentvillager]

The first 5 pages of this game are shockingly unhelpful in providing anything for a read

Really? I found post 6 quite helpful.

On other specific things u said

Am I obligated to immediately follow up on every random thought on give? and does it make me scum when I don’t?

am I not allowed to share a thought I have without a very specific purpose? and does it make me scum when I don’t?

[innocentvillager]

oh that was replying to andante not smart

Quoted smarts thing because i thought it was funny in a dry serious way lol

[innocentvillager]

cakez I am the instigator of a lot of the noise lmao u can blame me for this one!

[innocentvillager]

i read the spoilers in reverse order and was more confused lol

andante is like blindingly town and I don’t know how she does it tbh

I have to post like 500 times for people to see that I am Town

[innocentvillager]

andante is like blindingly town and I don’t know how she does it tbh

lol I'm pretty similar to this as scum not gonna lie, late game is where I know the big differences are, and you're not doing too bad. I applaud the effort of giving "reads" so early I'd be town leaning you if there was reasoning with it, and not just a list... but it's alright. thanks for the compliment! adding it to my scum resume
"blindingly town in open 841" - innocent villager

Bruh

[innocentvillager]

i mean ur also gonna die soon because of ur townieness and ur obviously a pr and if u don’t that’s basically a scumclaim for u and I’ll have to cry my eyes out by that point

[innocentvillager]

1000000

O.o fair enuf
Ok i no longer find that suspicious, but i do find your posting somewhat off still

can someone link the catboi game I can’t parse the skitter/catboi interaction

[innocentvillager]

Were u scum in a previous pyp and u chose a low number while ur teammates chose high?

[innocentvillager]

ok I’m still confused I guess then

whatever I should really take a break from this game idk why I’m still here guess I’m just that bored

[innocentvillager]

Were u scum in a previous pyp and u chose a low number while ur teammates chose high?

No he was town and did indeed choose an absurdly high number, so my feelings of being suspicious of him for doing that here is kinda baseless

oh right lmao that was the other possibility

[innocentvillager]

I’m not impressed with mwb yet although I wouldn’t call it a scumread exactly

i think he can be totally obvtown as town and I think they are very capable of posting fake analysis as scum for a bit like in the early posts that get a couple townleans from people

[innocentvillager]

Is it to deter other people from picking them?

but there’s no pregame communication

how would you expect people to know that you just hope enough people do?

oh wow nice dumbslip iv i guess you're confirmed town now hehe

>.>

what’s with this rxn?

[innocentvillager]

IV you scumfuck how are you still alive

lol pooks I’m always town u town?

[innocentvillager]

I’m also invested in catboi skitter I like some of skitters posts like they vibe with me more but ik she’s rly good too Idk how good she is at scum :3

pedit: what about it?

[innocentvillager]

Yeah there's no way I can read all this any time soon.

V/LA until Thursday

LOL I didn’t even parse the fact that Thursday is 3 days away

[innocentvillager]

I’m also invested in catboi skitter I like some of skitters posts like they vibe with me more but ik she’s rly good too Idk how good she is at scum :3

pedit: what about it?

Skitter's scumplay is so good you'll townread her while sitting in her stomach

VOTE: Skitter

[innocentvillager]

i get townpings from skitter therefore she’s pocketing me and has me in her stomach

Thanks for warning me pooks

[innocentvillager]

I’m also invested in catboi skitter I like some of skitters posts like they vibe with me more but ik she’s rly good too Idk how good she is at scum :3

pedit: what about it?

Townread you for a dumbslip and lost elo ...

ok so my “dumbslip” didn’t actually affect ur read on me this game then ok thx

[innocentvillager]

If we could only vote in skitter/catboi, I'd vote cat. skitter is townier, not sure why there's a skitter vote now

skitter looks townier because she’s good

Don’t let it fool you

[innocentvillager]

because she’s good pooky just warned us of the red flags

[innocentvillager]

I’m also invested in catboi skitter I like some of skitters posts like they vibe with me more but ik she’s rly good too Idk how good she is at scum :3

pedit: what about it?

Townread you for a dumbslip and lost elo ...

ok so my “dumbslip” didn’t actually affect ur read on me this game then ok thx

I've no idea what you're saying here, so maybe? Idk

Datisi thought my dumbslip here made me conftown (partly joking)

i was just wondering if u felt differently abt it and it seems like it’s NAI for u

[innocentvillager]

IV you scumfuck how are you still alive

lol pooks I’m always town u town?

I wouldn't believe you are town if the moderator flipped your ass as town

I have a feeling even when u got ur red role pm in micro astral you didn’t believe I was town and u were genuinely pushing me

[innocentvillager]

Spoiler: cb/skitter fight summary for those who r too lazy to read

LOL

[innocentvillager]

let it be known that I have the highest post count as of this post and I’m going to savor it before it inevitably goes away

[innocentvillager]

Pooky has 5 minutes to post a herosolve or he's confirmed mafia

skitter catboi andante

how was I not in this solve I’m offended

[innocentvillager]

alright we’re actually back in rvs nice love it

[innocentvillager]

I am late for my travels, with much to do. I've only skimmed but do not see much I want to comment on.

I think I'd like to take this game "off" in a sense. I don't enjoy the puzzle aspect of the game at all, and am not even going to try to change that aspect...but I'm also very tired of my own ego. I'd like to just set it aside and see what happens. I'll be in when I feel like it, I guess, but I'm not going to relentlessly push for perfection or use continual swipes of the finetooth comb to develop reads.

Why would you outsource the read to the person who literally always reads me wrong and failed to catch me the one time I was scum against her

Honestly I'm down to just take your word for it- What do you think I should be looking at to become more accurate with you and a better player overall? Do you think anyone should be townreading you for your play so far?

hm this felt p real

[innocentvillager]

he’s voting flow trap but 1v1 ing tiger

[innocentvillager]

I don't actually know what I was hoping to get out of that I'm going to go log off for a bit

running away from the field of battle is ++++scum

I guess that's closer to what I was looking for

Agree with the Andante townreads. I saw one post that I don't think she makes as maf.
I also agree with skitter that catboi's townread on me is a bit TMI. I am not sure how confident catboi normally is though.
UNVOTE:

You were obvious town as Rose and I had you fairly early that game (as Marigold, not sure if you remember my identity or not?), don't think you're all that dissimilar here.

So It’s like I also think mwb is p readable and have ok ish track record of doing so and I don’t see any reason to think he’s town ig

[innocentvillager]

in my mind the two felines are death tunneling each other and I will not accept this dynamic as anything other than TvS

which mean we have to flip both of them unless the first flips scum

i suggest we start with the townier looking cat

[innocentvillager]

@catboi I forgot you were Marigold lol. I think I read you as town that game as well, but you were probably within your scum range. Ya, ur read on me is fine.
Also, I can't tell if IV is joking in some of his posts which makes it hard to get a read on him (579).

I think I’ve had enough posts that are not pure shitposts to be semi readable at least

I’m a little sussed out that you are using this an excuse to fencesit me/wait how the rest of the game reads me

Or just like so u don’t have to effort to fake read me or something

you said something similar in mini 2180 I thjnk I can’t remember if that’s true I’ll have to check to be sure

[innocentvillager]

yes it’s weird

[innocentvillager]

thank you iv very cool

you asked and I responded :3

[innocentvillager]

lol who is sr ing obvtown andante

[innocentvillager]

on the subject, what's your impression of how you've played this game? do you think you've played towny, scummy, neutral / you've been playing resembling your typical towngame / scumgame?

and, i'm aware i'm sounding a bit off tonally, mostly around iv, because this is like the 4th game in recent times where we start off with "r u scum though" and it's gotten repetitive.

hmmm
I have mixed thoughts on this

Mostly because Last two times (most recently) we tangoed I was scum and u were town both times so I haven’t actually had a real chance to read you properly

if ur so tired of these interactions why do you still engage in them/feel half-reluctant to? don’t you usually get some useful read out of me

I just don’t rly understand where your heads at here

[innocentvillager]

another in theory Occam’s razor explanation for me is you FINALLY rolled scum without me (literally has never happened) and that is why this interaction feels different and that you are coming up with an excuse that this is happening

i mean I have no idea if ur town or scum but in a vacuum first order perspective that’s how I see this particular issue

how do you think scum!you approaches/pockets me/pushes me?

[innocentvillager]

Was thinking about how scum are typically more conciliatory toward scumreads on them in the early game and mulling over Datisi's response to nsg in my head and but don't know how much I believe that

fwiw i was lowkey thinking the same

specifically that datisi is scum bc he’s being conciliatory and passive?

[innocentvillager]

wild that i am still the largest wagon

[innocentvillager]

VOTE: midwaybear i am just not seeing anything towny from this slot and i would have expected to see something by now or something idk

does anyone know if mwb meta has changed in the last year?

[innocentvillager]

@catboi I forgot you were Marigold lol. I think I read you as town that game as well, but you were probably within your scum range. Ya, ur read on me is fine.
Also, I can't tell if IV is joking in some of his posts which makes it hard to get a read on him (579).

I think I’ve had enough posts that are not pure shitposts to be semi readable at least

I’m a little sussed out that you are using this an excuse to fencesit me/wait how the rest of the game reads me

Or just like so u don’t have to effort to fake read me or something

you said something similar in mini 2180 I thjnk I can’t remember if that’s true I’ll have to check to be sure

I'm pretty sure IV has been faking his posts for some reason. As to why, I'm not really sure. I don't think it's scummy though.

okay this was the scum!midway post i was thinking of and it isn't at all the same thing so disregard this

[innocentvillager]

tjanks Datisi I feel better about you already


i mean I will keep an eye i you but I like your response for now

And I wanted to push mwb before you because I think he’s scummy, I don’t subscribe to Occam’s razor as a philosophy

[innocentvillager]

do u really thjnk nightkilling me as scum is necessary/do you actually think I would be a big threat to you given that I’ve never seen your scumgame (as town)? i don’t rly believe that honestly but you did say you thought about it in past games so /shrug and I don’t thnk ud lie about that

[innocentvillager]

And I wanted to push mwb before you because I think he’s scummy,

i was under the impression you were also thinking i was scummy?

no not rly I was reconsidering on you at some point

those posts I quoted and responded to weren’t really scum indicative they just stuck out

[innocentvillager]

VOTE: midwaybear i am just not seeing anything towny from this slot and i would have expected to see something by now or something idk

does anyone know if mwb meta has changed in the last year?

"not seeing anything towny" seems kind of a bit far? His last few posts around skitter/datisi/nsg were weird in a kind of twisty way but I didn't think 698 and the stream of consciousness type thought there where he's typing out an explanation and goes "actually this sounds kind of silly" feels real enough.

you’re townreading mwb for one post that seems soc and where he says it’s sounds silly as he’s typing it out?

[innocentvillager]

i would like to thank all of you for not spamming additional 30 pages while i was asleep

because I really think you are scum.

what's making you so confident this early?

I didn't like your interaction with IV earlier and how you both sort of didn't want to go any further. I also found 642 a bit off. But yeah, that doesn't warrant this level of confidence so I don't think I will ISO you rn or anything like that.

i actually think this makes midway kinda townie? like, his whole read of me. i feel like scum!him in this situation would go "i have a light scumread on datisi based on this". and the way he's going "i really think datisi is scum but i think i'm getting confbiased here" makes me think it's more likely that the thoughts are actually real? like, i *think* scum here would be spending more time fleshing out the read on me or trying to justify it, and wouldn't be wasting time in writing how confident they are on it, especially considering scum!him would know these reasons aren't really good and that i *can* post a lot and be annoying so like idk i just don't see this coming from scum!him

also the "datisi/nsg are s/s" feels like a plausible thought.

Scum theater. But, I feel like I'm getting too conf biased (around your slot) because I really think you are scum. I'm starting to build a narrative that makes you scum regardless of other alignments(nsg/skitter), and I don't think that is very good. Maybe you are scum, but I don't want to tunnel at this point.

This post. feels too much like something scum would say. like a "ok.. backing off on my push on you.. cause I know you're town... and this isn't working for me" those are definitely the vibes I get from that post.

why do you think scum!midway would be backing off his push on me *already*? like, i'm more scumread than townread, it's not like anyone is getting heat for scumreading me, like literally three seconds ago i started townreading someone for scumreading me? what's the logic behind this?

but even still i suppose the point that i'm trying to get across is that you still need some kind of relevant body of work for reference and it just seems strange to me that you take one game as sufficient for that.

is this you just disagreeing with skitter about the quality of her read or is it saying you think skitter's scummy for it? if the latter, is there a reason you didn't mention my townread of andante which is arguably of worse quality?

generally, what makes me townie and what mostly makes my towngames is gut reads, in-moment thoughts, and feeling mostly relaxed and natural

(and townbloc building, but that's follows after reads, obviously). now, the gut reads and thoughts aren't present because this game feels like mud currently and i've gotten very little from it so far. and, i'm aware i'm sounding a bit off tonally, mostly around iv, because this is like the 4th game in recent times where we start off with "r u scum though" and it's gotten repetitive.

also, do you not think you're doing this?

up until the point i posted that? no, i don't think i was doing that. mainly because i saw very little of this game that actually made me think "x is y alignment" (that one post from andante being town!indicative is a rare example). so if i wasn't *having* reads, i knew i didn't post them either. and considering a lot of my relaxedness comes from the fact that i have gutreads and i can act based upon them, and i wasn't having them at that point... yeah, i think i wasn't doing that either.

why do you ask? do you like, disagree that i was giving reads or something? you yourself said you thought my more recent posts weren't as relaxed as before...

if ur so tired of these interactions why do you still engage in them/feel half-reluctant to? don’t you usually get some useful read out of me

because i feel a sort of obligation to? it's like a long-running inside joke, we always scumread each other at the beginning of the game, sort of how i pretty much always open with "oh no ico rolled scum for the umpteenth time" when i play with him recently. or how i joke about george/norwee being scum together. it's a running joke. the problem is that i don't actually GET anything from you alignemnt-wise as i get from ico or george (because i actually kind of don't suck at reading those two). my way of reading you is generally "wait an in-game day or two, and THEN read iv" because form what i know of you, your start as scum is good but you get tired the more the game progresses, while you don't get the same tiredness as town. i can't read you early game and i don't try to. but i continue the joke, mostly because of social pressure actually. i don't wanna be the person that stopped doing the joke, it feels rude.

if i was giving the impression that i was actually successfully sorting you in last games, lol idk. in that mini normal, your early "scumread" of me felt contrasting enough to the rest of the game's read of me that i felt like i could actually get insight into your thoughts there. here i would just go "yeah i can see it" because i CAN see it because this game feels like mud currently.

how do you think scum!you approaches/pockets me/pushes me?

no clue. i did think about what i would do if i rolled scum against you in some prior games, and my generally plan would've been "try to survive d1, kill him asap on n1". as for how would the "try to survive d1" look, no clue.

when did this turn into a wall i'm gonna post it for now

Datisi re: midway section

Hmm maybe? You just asked him specifically why he was so confident on his read on you whether he already admitted that he didn’t want to tunnel so wouldn’t you expect scum!him to assess how confident he could be publicly be about the read, realize the reasons weren’t amazing, and back off a little

It’s less the reaction that I like but more the early conviction on you in the previous post where he goes “really thjnk Datisi is scum but maybe confbias” part feels kind of assertively nuanced in a way that’s not easy for scum to fake so I will admit this is a point in his favor/your argument

[innocentvillager]

Was thinking about how scum are typically more conciliatory toward scumreads on them in the early game and mulling over Datisi's response to nsg in my head and but don't know how much I believe that

fwiw i was lowkey thinking the same

specifically that datisi is scum bc he’s being conciliatory and passive?

Well idk if it *makes* him scum, but that interaction on his side pinged me a bit, and it was a bit overly defensive imo. Or like caring too much abt nsg's criticism if that makes sense

do u think caring about his thread appearance/being preemptively defensive is scum!indicative for Datisi?

[innocentvillager]

yea I was asking because I don’t think it’s scum indicative for him as well

why do you think it pinged if you know he’s capable of this behavior as both alignments?

[innocentvillager]

also when you say pinged I immediately think “scumtell” idk maybe ur using the term differently than me

i guess ur using it more like “stuck out” ?

[innocentvillager]

now, this might look like i am just sheeping catboi, but

VOTE: s_s

really Bad Vote (and so was catboi's tbh)

what’s wrong with the vote? voting for a low content slot is bad? no explanation?

[innocentvillager]

i skipped over this originally - skitt, is this just a general read? because from what i remember of my own scumplay, my plan in the early game often was "post some nonsense, if

someone starts attacking me, pry into their read on me, poke holes in their case and argue with them

". now, i can't remember if you've *played* in any games where i've done that as scum, but i don't remember my recent scumplay reflecting what catboi said at all, so.

Not sure how to answer this/kinda just what i said earlier ... your back and forth with nsg feels weird on your end and just kinda overly defensive, and ngl it kinda seems like you're doing the bolded

er, you do get that i meant it as "attack them for it"? like, going "yeah lol i can see that" without offering any case for why they're wrong is something i never do. and how was i being defensive with nsg? like, i literally said "you are right i'm playing scummy af" how is that defensive??

now you’re being defensive

[innocentvillager]

Datisi Tbf I kidna also felt u were defensive loool but I honestly can’t remember if I was primed by skitter/cat or if it was an independent thought I had of ur posting

[innocentvillager]

yea that makes sense skit ty

[innocentvillager]

i could see how ur long wall post response to nsg’s filled with self awareisms and meta could seem “defensive”/overexplainy in a broad way but it’s not defensive in the classic “justify justify justify” way

[innocentvillager]

Oh fun, ok i have a lot to say on that, but give me a few hours

this rxn makes me think ur wrong Datisi regardless of her alignment

[innocentvillager]

which makes me think weakly town

[innocentvillager]

i am just not seeing anything towny from this slot and i would have expected to see something by now or something idk

what was your read on me at this point?

head empty

[innocentvillager]

i am solving

these interactions do help my read on these people

i lightly think Datisi is town for example

it’s also easier for me to engage in stuff about me and get reads from there which is why I may seem sort of self centered (because I am)

[innocentvillager]

i am just not seeing anything towny from this slot and i would have expected to see something by now or something idk

what was your read on me at this point?

lol who is sr ing obvtown andante

her scum partners, probably

if she is for some weird reason scum yeah scum are very likely to be tmi’ing her and trying to give reasons for why she wasn’t nk’d

also she is stuck on this tunnel on me which helps lol

[innocentvillager]

Midwaybear do you thjnk I should have you as town by now? or anyone familiar with you?

[innocentvillager]

midway brings up a good point about me focusing more on familiars as not scummy so I will echo that

trying to get reads and interactions on readable people first is good I think, it’s also just a function of whoever’s sort of around at the time I am

It’s not an alignment indicative trait for me at all I don’t thjnk tho, I do it as both alignments

[innocentvillager]

i have some reasons for voting midway but I’m hesitant to completely delineate them rn I want to see more and I do have my midway doubts

also this game like started 30 hours ago or something so lol

pedit why is top of the draft a reason to scumread her

[innocentvillager]

People higher up in draft more likely to be scum.

i mean maybe like very slightly because scum will never clash with each other but that’s only 2 numbers you’re guaranteed to not hit

also I don’t think this logic applies to the low doubles much either

idk how much I believe good draft position means non negligible increased scum equity

[innocentvillager]

There's a pretty clear correlation between being high in the draft and being scum in PYP games.

The reasons I can think of are (a) scum are less likely to collide in general because they will avoid colliding with each other, (b) based on (a) they are more likely to go for low numbers because it's safer, and (c) they are likely to put more calculation and thought into the draft than town.

interesting

how strong is this effect would you estimate empirically/sample size

[innocentvillager]

Good start

we need a scatter plot of this over all pyp games

lets beat scum with STATISTICS and SIGNIFICANT DATA

pedit: HAHAH u beat me to it

[innocentvillager]

ummmmm fuck

[innocentvillager]

ok real question is 5th being scum indicative p 0.05? No? Okay

ITS ALL NAI

[innocentvillager]

i plead the insufficient sample size card

[innocentvillager]

i plead the insufficient sample size card

Yeah but we don't have to be super confident, we only have to be more confident than we could be by reads

And if you know me, you know that's a low bar.

Mech > stats > reads ?

I think it’s hard to argue my scum equity goes up by more than like 3% with this data knowing nothing else

[innocentvillager]

I'd argue there's 2 scum in the 5/6/10
midwaybear: 5
Mare: 6
innocentvillager: 10
like, no one else picked these numbers? they're like middle... "safe" numbers

What about 12 and 14 that were also picked once why are those not in your category

[innocentvillager]

I'd argue there's 2 scum in the 5/6/10
midwaybear: 5
Mare: 6
innocentvillager: 10
like, no one else picked these numbers? they're like middle... "safe" numbers

What about 12 and 14 that were also picked once why are those not in your category

meh, there's definitely at least 1 scum that went 10 or under

you’re probably right because if you’re wrong then the scumteam is faker, sircakez, and catboi

[innocentvillager]

Wait you’re a PR?

[innocentvillager]

Midwaybear do you thjnk I should have you as town by now? or anyone familiar with you?

Probably? I don't think I call Datisi/nsg out as scum because I don't see that as scum. Everything else I could probably do as scum though Also, I think catboi's early tr on me was more luck (?), but he did correctly read me on early on in the last game we played.
Also, I don't think we've played in over a year so I don't think I am obv town anymore (I died during day last 2 town games).

yeah I don’t really care for “I was right about X as town one game and they did something similar this game so they’re town” arguments because I mean by blind luck you’ll be right at least 75% of the time or whatever

it’s more impressive to have multiple reps preferably with each alignment in there

[innocentvillager]

okay midway

you were pretty clearly Town to me in sunny impeachment to the point where I was suggesting gypyx to back off on you when he got worried about you

why do you think I don’t get that vibe now, if I’m town here?

[innocentvillager]

i don’t claim to have insane read accuracy on you or whatever like I’d hope I don’t have THAT much hubris

But I do feel like ur vibe this game is just very null and that’s just not how I’ve felt about you in the past

[innocentvillager]

that’s kind of true but I think in sunny I got the townpings immediately

i mean you were in that game how did you feel?

[innocentvillager]

like of course we can just let him develop the same way here I’m totally down for that too but I’m already seeing some
warning signs so I’m simply expressing that

I’m not at the point where I want to kill him yet esp this early and ofc I have some doubts

[innocentvillager]

i was wondering why the name "faker" sounded familiar to me

anyways how do you like them apples SS, looks like picking nine every game finally didn't pay off. i considered also picking nine just for a laugh honestly

VOTE: mare

SS nsg probably unaligned

[innocentvillager]

Oh fun, ok i have a lot to say on that, but give me a few hours

This post kind of rubs me the wrong way; but not overly so due to the previous posts from them

why does it rub u wrong way? it doesn’t feel like a post u make if the accuser is dead on correct

[innocentvillager]

SLEEPLESS!!! SLEEPLESS SCUM? 8 feels pretty safe to pick... I'm still not a fan of the "this is too much to read. see yall thursday"

My work schedule doesn't change based on alignment in mafia games. 8 hours between shifts is barely enough to sleep let alone read that many pages.

sleepless town

[innocentvillager]

Hi darius

[innocentvillager]

Oops datisi

[innocentvillager]

don’t worry about it

[innocentvillager]

I thought my spiel about scum aiming for high in the draft was really pushing it but there are some real crackpot theories in the first 10 pages. innocentvillager's 8/9 theory is the type of thing you normally hear after a long night of gardening at the Delta Tau Chi house.

looool I’m not even offended

[innocentvillager]

mare seems tonally town I’m ok with not touching that slot for d1

[innocentvillager]

[On IV's massclaim suggestion]

Doesn't "help" but the mindset is almost always town driven because scum are never going to be so bold as to suggest the idea if they believe it to be a pro-scum move, as doing so just draws negative attention to them and is unlikely to get cooperation. Way more likely to get floated by town who are trying to experiment - don't think I've ever seen scum propose it, actually. (day 1 mass is more viable in a cosed setup, in here it's pointless and bad)

Look at the motivations, not whether the suggestion is helpful/unhelpful

Can you weigh in more specifically on the fact that it was IV who suggested it? My impression of IV has been that he is in fact not the strongest mechanically, but he's got to at least have some positives in mind before suggesting it. I definitely think he is capable of doing "dumb" suggestions like that as scum hoping it will get townread for exactly that reason.

in my iso somewhere

[innocentvillager]

i don’t see how wanted to talk about massclaim would get me townread that doesn’t make sense to me

[innocentvillager]

mare wagon is bad yeah let’s find a new one

[innocentvillager]

oh I mean if ur ok with it VOTE: pooky

[innocentvillager]

i support this

[innocentvillager]

Meh, someday Mare might pull the self vote and AtE maneuver as scum but I don't think it's this game. I hate giving people a pass for that because I feel like it encourages bad play, but...


(on another note feeling less good about skitter)

i had a recent episode of this behavior as town and i felt very much in the spirit of it which is making me think it's townie

[innocentvillager]

lol Datisi thinks I’m scum for real this time loooool

[innocentvillager]

I did run a little out of steam yesterday because I traveling the whole day due to the crazy snow delays in the US and I had zero energy at one point

[innocentvillager]

i think it's totally reasonable to have a TR on cakez

i have no problem with Datisi's evolution on me

im still leantown on Datisi/skit

i think skitter's town stance on me made me a little sus at first order level like she just misread scum!me in Open game, but i truly have been playing p differently this game

like going from "no idea how to read iv" to "iv prolly town" pretty quickly seems like a fast progression but one she totally had an excuse as scum not to make and i was sort of a polarizing slot at the time still

plus she still has nuancy thoughts and i find myself nodding along with a lot of what she says

anyway im still not rly putting these two above a leantown bc paranoia of their good scumgames but yea this is where im at rn there

[innocentvillager]

i think have too many towns

andante
mare
faker, cakez, datisi, skitter
flow, cat
poe {nsg, midwaybear, pookybear, sleepless, SS}

[innocentvillager]

i think have too many towns

andante
mare
faker, cakez, datisi, skitter
flow, cat
poe {nsg, midwaybear, pookybear, sleepless, SS}

cause this... sounds like you're just repeating the "universal reads" right back at us..

is this really that universal?

i mean it's not like these reads popped out of nowhere i have been developing them myself for the last couple days?

[innocentvillager]

because mare is tonally obvtown and ive been getting this vibe the whole game lmao

just like open her iso

[innocentvillager]

like every time i read one of your or mare's posts i go "lol yea town"

[innocentvillager]

if im wrong im fucking wrong lol ill deal with it later good enough for now

[innocentvillager]

cakez weak meta read

lifeless and null as scum

energetic and lamisty as town

[innocentvillager]

Spoiler: mare

I town.

IV why do you seem self-conscious about your number.

i just picked a number that I thought was under picked

don’t think many people have picked 10 if not ever in the games I saw

Dunno this just sounds weirdly vulnerable compared to your posts so far.

Shrug.

Also, FWIW I’m of the opinion that scum are almost always going to try for a high or middling number. The benefit of WIFOM exists but it seems useless when you can just get caught by the PRs you’re handing over to town.

i just picked a number that I thought was under picked

don’t think many people have picked 10 if not ever in the games I saw

Dunno this just sounds weirdly vulnerable compared to your posts so far.

Shrug.

well everyone was talking about their numbers and picks and shit and I wanted to jump into the discussion

for example, I thought it was unlikely scum chose both 8 and 9, but knowing SS always chooses 9 I may need to rethink this thought a little

pedit: skitter dw I’m obvtown

I don’t... really think this a real passing thought you had.

It’s just one of those awkward sounding things that feels like you’re making up thoughts to tell us.

mare why do u think that faker post was scummy?

I don’t.

I wanted to add something like *condescending movie-like face pat* or something but that felt too weird.

It’s just one of those awkward sounding things that feels like you’re making up thoughts to tell us.

ok well I don’t really know how to respond to something like this

let me know if you think of something more specific

I mean, if you want me to nail down the exact, “rethink this thought” is strange.

Amd why mare?

I just woke up and decided my vote wasn't doing much. I did not think 78 was a real process.

I believe I answered your other question already in a response to Datisi.

If anything I think my point stands more given the spat of energetic posting IV made following.

If anything I think my point stands more given the spat of energetic posting IV made following.

The few games I have seen of IV (9:12 and a few specced) lead me to lean that towards both his initial statements and the followups being very NAI.

Normally I don't like to go out of my way to say this, but you seem to be want me to reassess and engage directly with the attack in a substantive way, so I will humor you.

I’m rarely in a mood to play in a more... direct way rather than fleeting thoughts, but I am this game, so it felt important to press down on something for once.

That being said, IV made a post about what scum would subconsciously do rather than just basic “scum doesn’t do this because it looks bad” which is something that appeals to me and I think less likely to come from scum.

(In an effort not to clutter as much myself, @IV, the spewing wasn’t clutter.)

UNVOTE:

Also, given the meme/fun numbers of the last set’s iteration and this one, scum team’s probably taking it seriously/coordinating what they do together more than an average team might.

My new wack theory is midway/flow are scum together, midway came into the game agreeing with a very specific thought because it was on his mind because scum did in fact pick a number to sabotage a townie and look a little better/out of the spotlight.

I don’t... really think this a real passing thought you had.

Why not

Already explained.

Mare, I have spoken in several different games of my intentionality in interacting with you to either shut you out of the game or to stay out of your way. It should be obvious that I intend to do neither this game.

However, in previous iterations (ex. Slaughter Hour) your response has been to be (rightfully) extremely skeptical of my intentions and to steer clear as much as possible. Your only real post about me that game came to warn off someone townreading me for tilt, and you only quoted someone else rather than added any commentary of your own.

I don't see the same skepticism of my intent here. I am very happy voting you.

I don’t have a reason to be skeptical yet and I’m not going to waste my energy on it until you do something worth skepticism. There are other people who are currently worth it and you’re not.

If you want me to do the little song and dance I do going oh, you’re so stupid, nice try reading me and failing again, I’m... really not interested in acting like that this game.

I don’t have a reason to be skeptical yet and I’m not going to waste my energy on it until you do something worth skepticism. There are other people who are currently worth it and you’re not.

Weird, considering I've exploited the assumption of good will before and you've correctly adapted to it before.

Responding to your latest post, I am critiquing your

leaning into

the dance rather than cautiously away.

I don't really want to match your tone here, and I don't think it's NAI, but I think going out of your way across multiple posts to suggest I am not worth effort is disappointing.

I mean, I wanted to push a point I felt was important at the time. It didn’t really matter the past treatment or the weird distance in games.

You’re not worth the effort of a scumread currently, which... don’t really think is worth disappointment. Of interacting/as a whole you are or else I wouldn’t attempt to interact with you. I thought that was clear but it probably wasn’t, apologies.

Hard disagree on Cakez. Felt pretty insubstantial so far.

Huh. To me, if someone comes out of the gate thinking I’m scum on entrance I think I’d personally want to know why like... immediately. And then discern from there.

if i had thought the scumread is uncalled for, i'd have called her out and demanded explanation.

what is this conversation telling you?

That I think your way of thinking is different to mine, I find it strange, and that I’m going to read closer into you as the game goes but for right now it’s *enough*.

Don't care, was right last time and I feel the same about him so far, gonna stick with my vote.

Another observation is Andante immediately jumped on the numbers when used against her to swing at everyone else/deflect.

>.>
you're feeling a bit off tbh

Want to slapfight me so you can figure it out sooner rather than later that I'm not off?

Okay, my counterpoint:

I viscerally felt that SirCakez was scum from the moment he began posting in a previous game. I cop checked him N1 and he was elimmed the next day.

Why should I ignore it when I get the same exact feeling from his posts here? Should I not immediately press on something familiar when I am familiar with it as scum?

And, let me say, once more.

I really don't give a fuck if he's catching up. People do it. I dislike it. Whatever.

I dislike what he's saying.

Like you want to be ? but you're sitting here saying that he hasn't done anything AI which is patently false soooo.

VOTE: Skitter30

Nope, not born out of nothing.

Still sticking by my read, don't care about the other posts in town games. Way he worded it was the same.

Distancing from his own ideas.

I think Mare is coming off worse here mostly because I don't get why she's this up in arms over disagreement on a read ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Because it's going to turn out again like the last game where my thoughts on things are weird, until there is basis in mechanical action, etc etc. It's frustrating and unfun when I try to play like this again and again and I am consistently felt out as weird despite trying to apply myself to the game in a different way.

So, fuck it, doubling down on the stuff that I think is right.

mare are you ok?

Shrug.

Gonna leave for now.

VOTE: Mare

ok i hope things get better soon <3
maybe let's try this again tomorrow

UNVOTE:

Thoughts on mare?

--
Also i'm kinda meh on pooky but not sure its ai for him

Lets wagon mare!

Skitter's opportunistic scum. Second place in draft too.

Cakez is OMGUSing me for a bad push when he's reading Pooky the same way.

I wanna vote Mare out solely for selfing, after going on about how we hate when people are catching up...like, pooky is scum, but idk what mare is doing?? saving pooky?

This can be scum too for egregiously misrepresenting my posts in which I have repeatedly expressed that I dislike catch-ups on a personal level, but was voting Cakez for content.

Ok i do kinda object to that characterization tho ...

Don't care. You went from "take this up tomorrow" to "okay wagon time" without blinking.

And it's with an upswing of more people saying they want to kill me, so just go ahead and vote me, and when I flip town my grave will be a fucking arrow pointed at you.

Go on.

[innocentvillager]

iv why do *you* think faker is town

as opposed to why someone else thinks faker is town? or my scumbuddies? why the emphasis on *you*

[innocentvillager]

that was rly weird emphasis and im not embarrassed to say that it pinged me as like not a real question you cared about

[innocentvillager]

well anyway

also weak vibe read

faker seems p similar to micro 9:12 although tbf i was scum there so not like super trying to read

also from what i know meta wise he just has a more null style that reads a bit stubborn and there's enough proactive contribution from him that i feel ok for now but it's a weak read i haven't seem scum!faker

[innocentvillager]

you have your interpretation of what's towny and i have mine

pedit: he's asking me so inherently it's my thoughts? and even if it's originally someone else's thought i can still agree with it and be my thought

if you don't think it's weird then it's probably not, anyways datisi's explanation was fine

[innocentvillager]

ok keep wasting your time tunneling obvtown thats ok too

[innocentvillager]

just because we play differently and have different styles of reading doesnt make me scum tmi'ing someone

[innocentvillager]

also faker's towniest post is his first post of the game that's probalby why im currently anchored to faker town

[innocentvillager]

yea because i didn't rly want to effort and i figured this would be your reaction anyway

my goal wasn't rly to convince you mare is town u either see it or you don't (to be clear not saying im seeing the correct thing and you're missing it, just what i see) it was more just to respond to your question you kept asking me about

[innocentvillager]

how did the cakez one not help? i just told you what i think of his meta

[innocentvillager]

look you asked me for *MY* personal feelings on why they are town

and you're pushing me for not properly convincing you on them?

idgi

[innocentvillager]

also what is the point of me tmi'ing mare anyway if i knew i didn't have concrete reasoning when i already have too many townreads? id rather let the gamestate polarize around mare as scum id imagine

oh here's a reason that i already mentioned in my iso - self vote episode rang real and it felt pretty natural like something i did recently as town.

pedit: lol no she's still town.

[innocentvillager]

im gonna cry and quit mafia if the scumteam is mare, andante, datisi

but they have to all be scum for me to quit mafia

[innocentvillager]

LOL SCUMTHEATRE ALERT

this argument is so petty

[innocentvillager]

I thought you townread both of them IV?

datisi's only a townlean for me but yea

[innocentvillager]

smart here's a challenge if i see 100 posts from you in the next 5 days ill call you locktown

[innocentvillager]

datisi we're just perpetually trying to pocket each other in every game at the expense of everyone else's ability to read us :3

[innocentvillager]

we're also unreadable because we only interact with each other

pedit: lol what i interact with datisi a lot sure but i definitely interact with lots of others too..???

[innocentvillager]

im past the point of no return on andante

someone could have a guilty cop result on her and i would immediately vote the cop

[innocentvillager]

VOTE: Datisi

[innocentvillager]

because mare is tonally obvtown and ive been getting this vibe the whole game lmao

just like open her iso

Can you, like, put actual words to this rather than just quoting a bunch of posts?

I can but I don’t rly want to/feel the need to

it’s a tonal read so putting real words to it will require more effort than usual and I’m fine with where my read here is for d1

[innocentvillager]

VOTE: spookybagicalmare

[innocentvillager]

idk skit doesn't rly seem more aggressive than she did in open chain

[innocentvillager]

i need a read on mwb pooky sleepless nsg SS

anyone want to towncase any of these?

[innocentvillager]

VOTE: midwaybear

skimmed chromatic ascension. this isn't the same thing.

[innocentvillager]

idk i just get this gut feeling that this is the slot to kill today

probably fueled by confbias and hindsight bias while reading that game but he does not really feel the same to me