open 841: concgratulations to the winners and losers

[catboi]

Nya

[catboi]

Skitter picked 6 in a previous run as town (while S_S selected 9 as both alignments), but I'll let things sit for now.

[catboi]

VOTE: sleepless assassin

[catboi]

You could probably lim the first three names and hit scum so remember this advanced strategy if we’re flailing EOD.

Brilliant strategy from 4th place

[catboi]

VOTE: sleepless assassin

Why this of all the options.

I'm on page 2 and saw he made a naked vote and dipped

[catboi]

VOTE: sleepless assassin

Why this of all the options.

They haven't made any towny posts

LOL guilty until proven innocent?

Less innocent until proven innocent; process of elimination

That is unironically close to how I work

[catboi]

As a total aside i am very curious about how catboi is going to read me (and if he'll get it right) given slaughter hour etc

Probably the same as every game before that: not really trying to until much later in the game

[catboi]

The first 5 pages of this game are shockingly unhelpful in providing anything for a read

[catboi]

midwaybear is town lol

[catboi]

ok don’t actually do it please

But

How bad is massclaim in this setup

I kind of entertained the idea briefly but I have no idea how to do mech

Terrible idea but probably town for entertaining it at all, scum don't usually propose mass claim and risk the blowback

[catboi]

midwaybear scum
Datisi scum

Mare town
andante town
Faker town

/sigh

are these serious or?

Oh no

[catboi]

ok don’t actually do it please

But

How bad is massclaim in this setup

I kind of entertained the idea briefly but I have no idea how to do mech

Terrible idea but probably town for entertaining it at all, scum don't usually propose mass claim and risk the blowback

I SRed this btw, I do not see how asking for a mass claim helps anything. If I claim infinite vig here, I could be town or scum, I won't be CCed, it literally does nothing to help us, PRs won't be CCed

Doesn't "help" but the mindset is almost always town driven because scum are never going to be so bold as to suggest the idea if they believe it to be a pro-scum move, as doing so just draws negative attention to them and is unlikely to get cooperation. Way more likely to get floated by town who are trying to experiment - don't think I've ever seen scum propose it, actually. (day 1 mass is more viable in a cosed setup, in here it's pointless and bad)

Look at the motivations, not whether the suggestion is helpful/unhelpful

[catboi]

VOTE: flow trap

Feels more interested invibing/conversing than pulling out anything useful with what he's posting

[catboi]

Mare, I have spoken in several different games of my intentionality in interacting with you to either shut you out of the game or to stay out of your way. It should be obvious that I intend to do neither this game.

However, in previous iterations (ex. Slaughter Hour) your response has been to be (rightfully) extremely skeptical of my intentions and to steer clear as much as possible. Your only real post about me that game came to warn off someone townreading me for tilt, and you only quoted someone else rather than added any commentary of your own.

I don't see the same skepticism of my intent here. I am very happy voting you.

fake OBVTOWN

[catboi]

midwaybear is town lol

Please tell

midwaybear is town :3

VOTE: midwaybear

this seems p townie to me lol

also theyre just vibing

And they called me town so

What

[catboi]

thus far i like andante and dats
and maybe faker iv and mare

pings on midwaybear
and i'm still somewhat suspicious of catboi's 21 but he obviously isn't super into the game yet so idk we'll see. the sleepless vote was a good point tho

I somehow didn't grok the point you were actually making regarding the draft the first time but I picked high as a hedge and wanted somewhere in the middle - as scum I'd have gone aggressively for a low number because I'd have teammates who could mitigate the damage if I'd ended up doubling up with someone

[catboi]

I go to post and get ninjaed like 8 times

[catboi]

midwaybear is town lol

Please tell

The opening with the serious mechanical minded discussion trying to make some concrete statements right away. Bit about meta numbers at the end is a nice flourish, subsequent posts have continued to be focused on analyzing things, liked in particular him taking a skeptical eye to the interactions between you and datisi

Had him as town similarly early in chromatic ascension based on a similar style of posting.

[catboi]

ya andante feels town I’d be very impressed if she was scum here

I’m not really sure why all that feels off tho? Yes that seems like a reasonable summary of some things I’ve done and I don’t really see the issue with any of it..?

*opens game*

yeah, andante is town

*closes game*

Eh, why to this? I don't have feelings there at all yet really

[catboi]

thus far i like andante and dats

can i get the spice behind these two

both of you are just feeling very chill
and i think both of you as scum are more tense/stilted/less likely to give real-time free-flowing thoughts than you've been thus far

do you think i'm not chill than in that potions game or?

uh i don't remember? you just seem very chill here, more chill than i would expect as scum. i think it's a little harder for you to get into the vibe of this sort of game as scum

This is pretty meh for a vibe read, mostly because Datisi's posting aggressively left very little impression on me so far

[catboi]

ya andante feels town I’d be very impressed if she was scum here

I’m not really sure why all that feels off tho? Yes that seems like a reasonable summary of some things I’ve done and I don’t really see the issue with any of it..?

*opens game*

yeah, andante is town

*closes game*

Eh, why to this? I don't have feelings there at all yet really

Can I hear your thoughts on innocentvillager? I literally don't care if you tr me or not

Still think probable town based on the post I quoted earlier, other posts have been decent enough to not make me question the read? Seems comfortable where I'd expect him to be more awkward as scum

[catboi]

I am going to go eat breakfast now

[catboi]

Who the fuck posted 10 pages in three hours

It was all me sorry :3

[catboi]

well ok the benefits of a massclaim are to lock scum into a claim and I think their picks say a lot about their priorities and stuff

We have draft info too

We can read into this kind of stuff and share what we all put in for the draft etc and unravel the whole auction

It’s not completely dumb

See, here's what I don't like, your 27th post in this game was "how bad is a massclaim" after about 20 posts of "let me defend why I picked the number I picked" like, something feels VERY off here, and I think the simple answer is just, you're not town. Like, you asked about massclaim, jumped straight into making "reads". Something feels very off.

oh yeah it was this post

this seemed a bit too effort-y for scum who's faking reads early

That is reasonable, probably more nuance than she has in her scum game

[catboi]

I somehow didn't grok the point you were actually making regarding the draft the first time but I picked high as a hedge and wanted somewhere in the middle - as scum I'd have gone aggressively for a low number because I'd have teammates who could mitigate the damage if I'd ended up doubling up with someone

I mean ok you can say that but i have no way of knowing if this is true

Gosh, if only you had some reference as to how I've selected numbers in the past. Shame I've never played in a PYP before though...................

[catboi]

This is pretty meh for a vibe read, mostly because Datisi's posting aggressively left very little impression on me so far

I mean ok? That's the vibe i got, it's still early game and that's what i have thus far

Okay but my immediate thought was "is skitter TMIing Datisi town here lmao"

[catboi]

midwaybear scum
Datisi scum

Mare town
andante town
Faker town

/sigh

are these serious or?

Oh no

catboi what was this about?

At the moment I was thinking "oh no awkward/scummy response ahh" but subsequent posts did not continue that feeling, so, meh

[catboi]

The first 5 pages of this game are shockingly unhelpful in providing anything for a read

Really? I found post 6 quite helpful.

Oh yeah?

[catboi]

I somehow didn't grok the point you were actually making regarding the draft the first time but I picked high as a hedge and wanted somewhere in the middle - as scum I'd have gone aggressively for a low number because I'd have teammates who could mitigate the damage if I'd ended up doubling up with someone

I mean ok you can say that but i have no way of knowing if this is true

Gosh, if only you had some reference as to how I've selected numbers in the past. Shame I've never played in a PYP before though...................

Ok fair enuf, but i just went back to 2015 and cant find a game that you started in (under an alt that i know of at least), so if you'd like to link that would be appreciated

>________________________________________________>

[catboi]

1000000

[catboi]

This is pretty meh for a vibe read, mostly because Datisi's posting aggressively left very little impression on me so far

I mean ok? That's the vibe i got, it's still early game and that's what i have thus far

Okay but my immediate thought was "is skitter TMIing Datisi town here lmao"

No, and do you have an issue with the andante read as well?

Not in a similar sense - Datisi read felt notable because most of his posting had left aggressively no impression such that the conclusion he was "chill" did not really track at all with my own impression of him. Andante read is more whatever in that I

could

see someone reaching that conclusion, as several other people have. (I'm treading more cautiously and don't think "vibes" or whatever are the best way to read her but think Datisi had a decent point)

[catboi]

1000000

O.o fair enuf
Ok i no longer find that suspicious, but i do find your posting somewhat off still

Okay how

[catboi]

1000000

O.o fair enuf
Ok i no longer find that suspicious, but i do find your posting somewhat off still

can someone link the catboi game I can’t parse the skitter/catboi interaction

NO!!!!!

[catboi]

i'm just kidding around it was on a different account

[catboi]

Were u scum in a previous pyp and u chose a low number while ur teammates chose high?

Nah I've only drafted as town

[catboi]

1000000

O.o fair enuf
Ok i no longer find that suspicious, but i do find your posting somewhat off still

Okay how

I dont know exactly
- sleepless vote felt like weird timing (even tho you made a fair point), like its weird to vote someone based on p2 while you're still catching up on several more pages
- midway tr also feels off (and tbh if anything that feels tmi to me)
- not sure i like the flow trap vote. Like i get why you think they might be just spamming but i'm not sure i get that vibe
- i dont like your take on my dats read but i will admit i might just be annoyed by this one

None of these things are inherently bad or damning but the cumulative picture just feels kinda off

Shrug, I read linearly and reacted to stuff as I was catching up. That's...basically normal as far as I know? Why would you actually have a problem with that? I find mwb fairly readable and in fact think he's probably one of the more towny people in the game. I find like basically nothing flow trap has posted to be town indicative and the signal to nose ratio there is incredibly low. My reaction to that Datisi read was only, like, half-serious, I'm not pushing you over it

[catboi]

well ok the benefits of a massclaim are to lock scum into a claim and I think their picks say a lot about their priorities and stuff

We have draft info too

We can read into this kind of stuff and share what we all put in for the draft etc and unravel the whole auction

It’s not completely dumb

See, here's what I don't like, your 27th post in this game was "how bad is a massclaim" after about 20 posts of "let me defend why I picked the number I picked" like, something feels VERY off here, and I think the simple answer is just, you're not town. Like, you asked about massclaim, jumped straight into making "reads". Something feels very off.

oh yeah it was this post

this seemed a bit too effort-y for scum who's faking reads early

That is reasonable, probably more nuance than she has in her scum game

ok, you already have me as a sr? you don't have to tr me, but like, a sr??

I was not implying I scumread you

[catboi]

Noticing while ISOing Andante that I missed 322 from flow trap (because I don't click spoilers) which would at least count as something in the way of "signal", but I still don't really like it as it looks more like someone going back and pulling up posts and trying to manufacture reasons for them being town - none of that stuff strikes me as particularly towny? It's just iv joking around.

My actual thoughts on Andante which was the reason I was doing this: Had almost wanted to declare her town for being thoughtless about her number choice, which felt real, but the second thought I had was that not every configuration of players is going to produce a tryhard scumteam that plans for the draft (see last PYP), so not particularly a towntell, most of her posts are null, does feel like the way she's harping on the iv scum read feels kind of real though I don't agree with the reasoning at all, I like the comment about revisiting her read in 359, fine enough for now

[catboi]

For the first point - well, you obviously didnt know what happened between p2 and whatever page we were on at the time when you voted, and i feel like most people finish reading and then choose to vote?

Like i'm not objecting to the notion of reading lineraly obviously, i'm objecting ti the timing of the vote given the context of everything else that was happening

And for the rest - meh. Idk the strength of the midway read seems a little too strong given what they've posted thus far

~
But maybe i should outsource this read on u to faker

Why would you outsource the read to the person who literally always reads me wrong and failed to catch me the one time I was scum against her

[catboi]

(internal monologue: surely skitter does not crash her ship into the rock of "you feel off this game" twice in a row, right...?)

[catboi]

this catboi skitter tiff is very hawt and I can't wait to see them meta-dive each other for the next 20 pages

Pooky is scum for not having already called us both scum together

[catboi]

If we could only vote in skitter/catboi, I'd vote cat. skitter is townier, not sure why there's a skitter vote now

Why would you be looking between us in the first place?

[catboi]

this catboi skitter tiff is very hawt and I can't wait to see them meta-dive each other for the next 20 pages

Pooky is scum for not having already called us both scum together

I was going to call it scum theatre but then i remembered the dead thread in SH and realized you'd both be doing this shit regardless of alignment

Coward

[catboi]

Coward

at least I didn't pick 21 buddy

It's a cool number. *hmph*

[catboi]

Pooky has 5 minutes to post a herosolve or he's confirmed mafia

[catboi]

Pooky has 5 minutes to post a herosolve or he's confirmed mafia

skitter catboi andante

andante? WEAK

[catboi]

I don't actually know what I was hoping to get out of that I'm going to go log off for a bit

[catboi]

I don't actually know what I was hoping to get out of that I'm going to go log off for a bit

running away from the field of battle is ++++scum

I guess that's closer to what I was looking for

Agree with the Andante townreads. I saw one post that I don't think she makes as maf.
I also agree with skitter that catboi's townread on me is a bit TMI. I am not sure how confident catboi normally is though.
UNVOTE:

You were obvious town as Rose and I had you fairly early that game (as Marigold, not sure if you remember my identity or not?), don't think you're all that dissimilar here.

[catboi]

(internal monologue: surely skitter does not crash her ship into the rock of "you feel off this game" twice in a row, right...?)

Plot twist: You feel off from your scum game

I don't think you've seen me as scum?

[catboi]

Still extremely happy with my vote right now

[catboi]

I am late for my travels, with much to do. I've only skimmed but do not see much I want to comment on.

I think I'd like to take this game "off" in a sense. I don't enjoy the puzzle aspect of the game at all, and am not even going to try to change that aspect...but I'm also very tired of my own ego. I'd like to just set it aside and see what happens. I'll be in when I feel like it, I guess, but I'm not going to relentlessly push for perfection or use continual swipes of the finetooth comb to develop reads.

Why would you outsource the read to the person who literally always reads me wrong and failed to catch me the one time I was scum against her

Honestly I'm down to just take your word for it- What do you think I should be looking at to become more accurate with you and a better player overall? Do you think anyone should be townreading you for your play so far?

But getting you to misread me is so fun :3

In all seriousness, I've said before I don't think it's actually had to figure out when I'm town but it's more about looking for me doing things I

wouldn't

do as scum. Don't think there's a point in me going into further detail beyond that because my word here would be meaningless anyway, but that's the mindset to approach me from.

I don't think I've done anything in particular so far that's outside my scumrange, though often I get townread early anyway, it's kind of a mystery to me when it happens, sometimse I'm just obvtown from the drop sometimes I get tunneled for stupid reasons and it completely throws me off. I expect to be obvtown here eventually, though.

[catboi]

he’s voting flow trap but 1v1 ing tiger

I'm not 1v1'ing skitter. I think her approach to me so far has been questionable for reasons that aren't worth getting into but it's early still

[catboi]

catboi's mob lawyer always ready

I would be bussing him sooooo hard tho

wait do you think scum skitter approaches you this way immediately?

That was the doubt I had but she keeps doing the thing where her reasons for suspecting me keep changing after they become invalid and so I'm tilting my head to the side and going "really"? at the stuff she's saying

[catboi]

It's very weird that people are taking this as me laying down a 1v1 though given I'm not even voting her

[catboi]

I would be bussing him sooooo hard tho

do you really think you could get away with bussing in this pl

Yeah, probably, bigger concern would be getting caught out mechanically by investigative roles.

That was the doubt I had but she keeps doing the thing where her reasons for suspecting me keep changing after they become invalid and so I'm tilting my head to the side and going "really"? at the stuff she's saying

really?

I mean, yeah, at first it was "high number sus" which was so stupid I didn't even think it was serious at first, and then when I remind her of the number I picked before she goes "ok but i still think ur off" and had some pretty bad/whatever reasons for thinking that

But like I said I'm not particularly in a rush to jump to conclusions on her when the game has barely started.

[catboi]

do you think you're T/T here and people want to egg on a fight?

who?

name names.

IV and Andante have both done it, but I was townreading IV, it's just weird

I don't have any conclusion on skitter right now, why are you trying to force me to commit to a read?

[catboi]

Strange cat, that has been my primary approach for the last year, and it has generally be successful when I put instant reactions aside! It might be worth remembering the scumgame you won, where it took gladiating all three members of your scumteam, several gambits, and a wrong death tunnel elsewhere, only to still nearly get hammered.

Then I guess the answer is stop doing the instant reactions?

Gosh

[catboi]

Actually looking back on Andante again, she might be town, because reasons.

[catboi]

I don't have any conclusion on skitter right now, why are you trying to force me to commit to a read?

you are my hero dude

I'm both flattered and alarmed

[catboi]

thief

GET OWNED

[catboi]

I wasn't even talking about you but if you're challenging me to a pagetop duel

its fucking on

I know I'm never winning that one

[catboi]

r u trying to pockit me?

You know I would literally never even try

[catboi]

r u trying to pockit me?

You know I would literally never even try

I dunno you did a pretty good job the last time we danced together and that was like a week ago? >.>

But I was town

I'm always just afraid you'll try to turbomurder me when I'm scum

[catboi]

We can totally dance again this game though, we were rudely cut short in that other game

[catboi]

wait r u like not town rn?

No I'm still town~

I'm just saying I wouldn't try to pocket you as scum

[catboi]

Spoiler: Blue Circle Dance PT

I missed you! <3

Spoiler: Blue Circle Dance PT

So good to see you again~

[catboi]

Spoiler: Blue Circle Dance PT

Right now I'm at

purr:
iv
midwaybear
andante

mrr:
skitter
Mare
sleepless

grrr:
flow trap

neutral on everyone else.

How about you?

[catboi]

pooky and catboi scum theater for 3 pages?

The only scum theater I do with pooky is putting a bullet between his ears

[catboi]

I'm sorry I didn't mean it it's all in the past now anyway

[catboi]

why the fuck is this game on page 26 and i have about two halves of a read

maybe ask in the scum PT for help with your reads?? :3

[catboi]

Spoiler: Blue Circle Dance PT

Right now I'm at

purr:
iv
midwaybear
andante

mrr:
skitter
Mare
sleepless

grrr:
flow trap

neutral on everyone else.

How about you?

Spoiler: Blue Circle Dance PT

I like SC/Datisi/Andante/Mare currently for stupid reasons and I'm going to bully IV until he towntells or I get bored

Spoiler: Blue Circle Dance PT

Haha you fell for my trap to make you serious post~

[catboi]

I read virtually none of your posts in the game I replaced you in. So no.

[catboi]

Taking that as the implication aside: do you think I should be townreading you here?

[catboi]

Taking that as the implication aside: do you think I should be townreading you here?

I mean I will agree I have been fluffy and less content dense, but that's what I do as Town :3

As I always say if I get the lychee round 1 I flip town

Mmmmm, I was going to post a deep dive but my conclusion is the stuff I was scumreading for you is in fact null and it's too early to tell yet

UNVOTE:

[catboi]

VOTE: Mare

Let's get spicy. Read the ISO, feels stilted so far, like someone going through the motions but not really feeling into it

[catboi]

Spoiler: Blue Circle Dance PT

Right now I'm at

purr:
iv
midwaybear
andante

mrr:
skitter
Mare
sleepless

grrr:
flow trap

neutral on everyone else.

How about you?

What if I offer headpats?

[catboi]

(If anyone would like to know what I read on flow feel free to peruse Purgatory and draw your own conclusions)

[catboi]

If I didn't agree with observations that skitter's comments about Datisi being chill were a bit off, I would scumread the recent back and forth between nsg and Datisi.

What does the first point have to do with the second point?

[catboi]

Liking nsg so far, quibbles on the midwaybear read obviously but makes sense for someone who lacks familiarity there

[catboi]

VOTE: Mare

Let's get spicy. Read the ISO, feels stilted so far, like someone going through the motions but not really feeling into it

Not sure that's ai or scum-indicative for her

you're doing the thing again

[catboi]

You're, like, speedrunning everything you said to me as scum and I'm sitting here like

[catboi]

found it difficult to believe (or i suppose just surprising) that skitter didn't know about SS's always pick nine thing (as she seemed to indicate in one post) but i couldn't find any evidence to the contrary in the very short amount of time i spent looking for it. i'm also curious to hear about skitter's experience with scum!andante which i recall she indicated she had – what was that game like, and what's your impression of how scum andante plays / differs from town andante?

- didn't notice or realize about the 9 thing
- i dont have any experience with scum-andante, but i do have experience with town-andante, and this is it imo. Namely, the really qucik real-time interactions with real time reassessment and responses based on what other people are saying. I havent seen scum-her, but i would imagine its a little hard for scum-her to fake

She's from EM so the quick realtime responses are extremely null for her and not a good metric to read her on. Better to read her on whether the cases she pushes are pure bullshit or not.

[catboi]

I wasn't really researching you individually but okay

[catboi]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: something_smart

[catboi]

Was thinking about how scum are typically more conciliatory toward scumreads on them in the early game and mulling over Datisi's response to nsg in my head and but don't know how much I believe that

[catboi]

Was thinking about how scum are typically more conciliatory toward scumreads on them in the early game and mulling over Datisi's response to nsg in my head and but don't know how much I believe that

fwiw i was lowkey thinking the same

specifically that datisi is scum bc he’s being conciliatory and passive?

In general I think most scum are less willing to push back on early suspicion of them because people have self-awareness of their own behavior being scummy and are worried they'll look bad for pushing back

[catboi]

VOTE: midwaybear i am just not seeing anything towny from this slot and i would have expected to see something by now or something idk

does anyone know if mwb meta has changed in the last year?

"not seeing anything towny" seems kind of a bit far? His last few posts around skitter/datisi/nsg were weird in a kind of twisty way but I didn't think 698 and the stream of consciousness type thought there where he's typing out an explanation and goes "actually this sounds kind of silly" feels real enough.

[catboi]

SLEEPLESS!!! SLEEPLESS SCUM? 8 feels pretty safe to pick... I'm still not a fan of the "this is too much to read. see yall thursday"

My work schedule doesn't change based on alignment in mafia games. 8 hours between shifts is barely enough to sleep let alone read that many pages.

sleepless town

No

[catboi]

180 posts since my last one nice work

[catboi]

VOTE: midwaybear i am just not seeing anything towny from this slot and i would have expected to see something by now or something idk

does anyone know if mwb meta has changed in the last year?

"not seeing anything towny" seems kind of a bit far? His last few posts around skitter/datisi/nsg were weird in a kind of twisty way but I didn't think 698 and the stream of consciousness type thought there where he's typing out an explanation and goes "actually this sounds kind of silly" feels real enough.

are you saying that you think his recent posting is fake? because i'm not sure how that ties in to your previous read of him and why you're replying that way to iv's vote there?

No, th exact opposite, although I think the way he went about talking about his reads was

odd

and I crinckled my nose at it a bit I think the way he worked it through was ultimately pretty townie and in general I don't agree with IV's assessmnt that he "hasn't done anything town"

[catboi]

"why are you voting s_s?"
i realized his iso is like, nothing game related. i can imagine scum!s_s being lazy here.

That was baically my exact reason - I know he is Just Like This and gets some leewy for that but I feel like when he's town he usually pulls out

some

sort of relevant thought and I haven't seen it so far

[catboi]

now, this might look like i am just sheeping catboi, but

VOTE: s_s

really Bad Vote (and so was catboi's tbh)

Nah

[catboi]

VOTE: SirCakez

Getting the same feelings as I did in Final Fantasy.

I don't feel like him being in catchup mode is remotely AI especially given the speed of the thread. I feel like I

should

be able to actually get a read on him at some point this game but I can't get it the way he is now, just have to Have Patience

kind of a meh vote

[catboi]

I know he is Just Like This and gets some leewy for that but I feel like when he's town he usually pulls out some sort of relevant thought and I haven't seen it so far

I am not normally that lurky. It was a holiday weekend and I took yesterday off to spend time with my family.

It's not about being lurky it's about what you're choosing to put out into the thread

[catboi]

Anyone know if there's a user-made extension to convert entire threads to PDF?

I'm swamped with end-of-year stuff at work but am hoping to read on my flight later. I'm not eager to download each page individually, but if I have to I will.

You can add &ppp=200 to the end of the url to increase the thread length (can't go higher than 200 though, I tried)

[catboi]

I had had a thought while I was out for a run that if flow trap is in fact town he is an LHF-ish player who is likely to attract votes from scum, which wouyld point to one of Mare/Datisi possibly being scum, and if there was one there I would have guessed Datisi, as I'd kind of liked Mare's 719 last night although on a reread I'm not sure it's

that

townie, and as I am catching up I am liking Datisi more and Mare less

[catboi]

(I also had the incredibly dumb idea of "what if Mare and Faker taking shots at each other was scum theater" but lmao probably not)

[catboi]

ummm I'm running into a major thing in my reads here... Datisi/Innocentvillager, do yall always interact like this when yall play together? like, I guess I'm asking like, do you 2 have a lot of history? cause there's this thing I'm noticing, and I think Innocentvillager is either scum trying to pocket datisi, or this is just how you 2 play in games together..
So if Datisi/innocentvillager could help me out here, I'd appreciate it, cause yeah, I start to question my reads when I start having a million scum points for people

I was also ready to come in and just wash my hands on Andante to say "I actually have no clue" but this feels towny? I think? I don't really trust myself here but...

[catboi]

Him being slow catching up isn't a tell

[catboi]

cakez got yeeted as town in this game which was much slower paced because he was perpetually behind: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=87588

And a singular point of him pushing on someone in a vaguely similarly worded way is really weak

bad case

[catboi]

In case I must reiterate given the quotes: my issue is not with him catching-up. It is with him making the same kind of read/post on someone as he did as scum.

counterpoint: slaugherhouse
literally nai

How is it NAI.

because i just gave you a town example of him doing the exact thing he's doing here that you're scumreading him for because he did the hsame in a scumgame?

how is this scum indicative for him? it's indicative that he's busy irl ...

(inb4 catboi informs me he's experiencing deja vu etc etc etc)

Kind of but "the stuff you're voting him for is a nulltell and it's a bad case" is different from "noo he's so townie you're wrong"

[catboi]

Okay, my counterpoint:

I viscerally felt that SirCakez was scum from the moment he began posting in a previous game. I cop checked him N1 and he was elimmed the next day.

Why should I ignore it when I get the same exact feeling from his posts here? Should I not immediately press on something familiar when I am familiar with it as scum?

i mean your visceral feeling is: a) not something you brought up as part of any of this earlier in this convo b) not something that i feel/vibe/have any opinion on
so it's just like ok?

and my response is basically, again, you're scumreading him for something that's nai, and i'm a little surprised that you're not seeing why i think it's nai

I don't believe the things he's saying are NAI. To say you dislike/like something, to invoke tone, means you are providing your opinions on someone. And that's AI.

And I'm saying I don't think him invoking tone is scummy and taking a single game is essentially cherrypicked - I think most people are going to word things similarly regardless of alignment

And I was searching through his post history to try to find an example of him doing it as town and the first one I found was another scum game, so, lmao

[catboi]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p13037854
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p13035033
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12611132

okay I found him doing it as town it as town this is a very dumb rabbit hole

[catboi]

I think Mare is coming off worse here mostly because I don't get why she's this up in arms over disagreement on a read ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[catboi]

Still sticking by my read, don't care about the other posts in town games. Way he worded it was the same.

Distancing from his own ideas.

weird hill to die on

[catboi]

You're just jealous cause you were bottom of the draft

I literally spent the entirety of the last PYP game I played correctly calling the top drafter scum

ahhh I see, so the plan is to just call me scum in hopes I flip scum, so that you can then go "I have a 100% success rate at catching scum based on draft order!" only issue with that plan is I'm not scum lol

Why are you assuming he's saying this to you as town?

[catboi]

im just gonna skim to catchup bc otherwise I'm never gonna make it

Hi we were just having a very fun discussion about you

[catboi]

S_S is actually Okay as I resume catching up from 33-34

UNVOTE:

[catboi]

I think I might tr innocent, there's something I really like, so as long as I keep seeing it, he's probably town

<_<

[catboi]

I think it's cute that cakez has a new white whale to chase (◐ω◑ )

[catboi]

(I get why he scumreads pooky but I'm not really there yet)

[catboi]

catboi may be scum but I am scared because everytime I read this person it's literally rolling a slot machine

oh there we go

[catboi]

[On IV's massclaim suggestion]

Doesn't "help" but the mindset is almost always town driven because scum are never going to be so bold as to suggest the idea if they believe it to be a pro-scum move, as doing so just draws negative attention to them and is unlikely to get cooperation. Way more likely to get floated by town who are trying to experiment - don't think I've ever seen scum propose it, actually. (day 1 mass is more viable in a cosed setup, in here it's pointless and bad)

Look at the motivations, not whether the suggestion is helpful/unhelpful

Can you weigh in more specifically on the fact that it was IV who suggested it? My impression of IV has been that he is in fact not the strongest mechanically, but he's got to at least have some positives in mind before suggesting it. I definitely think he is capable of doing "dumb" suggestions like that as scum hoping it will get townread for exactly that reason.

I don't have firsthand experience with IV's scumgame but my impression of it is that it's like *falls down stairs*

Suggesting claiming typically

doesn't

get townread, it's not akin to a fake dumbtell or anything

[catboi]

The real answer is both that Faker was actually meant to be a bit more congenial/personable

LMAO

[catboi]

im taking back my Andante townread page 28 irked me quite a bit. they felt defensive in a not good way.

I didn't even talk on page 28?

that was where catboi was telling skitter she's not allowed to TR me until we read a past scum game of mine??

That was not what I was doing for the record, was just saying the stuff she was townreading you for wasn't alignment indicative

[catboi]

Did not read, packed on like omicron sardines, played Minish Cap instead, zero regrets.

Think people are drastically underestimating Mare wrt the apathetic stubbornness being inherently town (that's a compliment, shut up and take it)

catboi should I be concerned about your alignment, given that you are normally eager to out a read on me? Bonus that I'm pretty sure I just talked about how a null performance from me is effectively a scumclaim right before the game iirc

I had vaguely liked the post you made about wanting to play this game laid back but otherwise your posting had left basically no impression on me and was waiting to see if I got anything from catching up.

[catboi]

It should also be obvious to you why I'm actually being more reticent to state a read on you

[catboi]

Nah. Gotta walk me through it.

can't because [redacted]

[catboi]

On further reflection cakez is probably town for going after pooky because the last time he tried to do it as scum pooky ripped his head off

glad to have that one out of the way early

[catboi]

Meh, someday Mare might pull the self vote and AtE maneuver as scum but I don't think it's this game. I hate giving people a pass for that because I feel like it encourages bad play, but...


(on another note feeling less good about skitter)

[catboi]

On further reflection cakez is probably town for going after pooky because the last time he tried to do it as scum pooky ripped his head off

glad to have that one out of the way early

well he would have to do it for "revenge" either way because if scum him doesn't come after me I would probably eat him for not having paranoia of me after pokemon lolol.


his conviction level here does feel townie tho :3

He felt like he had conviction when he went after you as scum tho? It just backfired very hard.

[catboi]

I mean I guess I'll take your word for it given that I only skimmed it after the fact

[catboi]

If the team is pooky catboi SS omg that would be amazing
All my old nemesises finally going down

cakez please don't your erotic fanfiction in this topic this is a PG-13 thread

[catboi]

[catboi]

Meh, someday Mare might pull the self vote and AtE maneuver as scum but I don't think it's this game. I hate giving people a pass for that because I feel like it encourages bad play, but...


(on another note feeling less good about skitter)

You're probably right, it still left a bad feeling in my mouth tho

And hi

I'm...not really sold on cat's midwaybear read. Need to revisit when caught up.

Sorry that I am living in the past, I see literally everyone and their mother thought the same about that Andante post lmao

I still think its a tmi-ish read and that midway had not done enuf for the level of conviction catboi had abt it

Also i feel p good abt faker-town, i just want to say that

omghi2u2

I mean, w/r/t midwaybear it's an early game gutread, that's just something I do, it is always subject to revision later if it doesn't hold up

[catboi]

pedit: oh good timing, why is faker town?

- kinda like the reflective nature of his posting, abt himself, what he's trying to do with this accf, the fact that he's trying to puzzle solve this game and take it easy instead of win (for some reason, when i read that it struck me as +town)
- doesnt feel informed (i.e. he's behind but doenst feel like he somehow knows what's going on anyways from reading a scum pt, which i feel like he would prioritize readinf over this thread)
- kinda just how he's approaching the game when he is here, and how he *wants* to approach the game despite being busy traveling
- the way he's approaching catboi's read on him

Overall its like almost less abt his content and more abt his feelings towards the game and how he's approaching the game overall

Caveat: i do not believe i have seen scum-faker ever but idk all of this based on the here and now feels townie to me

I don't find any of that particularly meaningful at all besides the fisrt point and that's very slight

and if anything I felt like he backed down from me a little too easy but maybe he's feeling merciful

[catboi]

and umm not entirely sure my thoughts on mare, but cause she selfed, I just wanna vote her out. I hate when people decide to self, and that's kinda that. Pooky going "vote me" is different from an actual self vote

I will reiterate this is very much a thing Mare does as town and it is not a good reason to vote her

[catboi]

because mare is tonally obvtown and ive been getting this vibe the whole game lmao

just like open her iso

Can you, like, put actual words to this rather than just quoting a bunch of posts?

[catboi]

The hilarious part is that the reflective stepback has been a scum staple dating back to my first games on site in 2016

I can let skitter be wrong but you, LMAO

It was more the nature of "I'd like to take this game "off" in a sense" that I likedb/c I get the attitude of just wanting to play laid back for a change, which is something I can only ever do as town

[catboi]

Why are we spoilering shit

Dramatic effect?

[catboi]

On further reflection cakez is probably town for going after pooky because the last time he tried to do it as scum pooky ripped his head off

Seems legit. What game was that, btw? I haven't played against scum-Cakez in a

long

time.

Warehouse 13 - you don't have to read it but him trying to fight pooky that game is extremely funny

[catboi]

I read up and don't actually know what I want to do with my vote right now, which is A Problem

feel like I need to settle down and actually

think

about my reads now which is the part i hate doing


as an aside I feel like flow trap will be readable given enough time, where "enough" is a larger quantity of time than has currently elapsed

[catboi]

because mare is tonally obvtown and ive been getting this vibe the whole game lmao

just like open her iso

Can you, like, put actual words to this rather than just quoting a bunch of posts?

I can but I don’t rly want to/feel the need to

it’s a tonal read so putting real words to it will require more effort than usual and I’m fine with where my read here is for d1

You have someone as obvtown from tone?

[catboi]

What, we're not doing that already? Guess we can't do anything right

[catboi]

midwaybear is town lol

Please tell

The opening with the serious mechanical minded discussion trying to make some concrete statements right away. Bit about meta numbers at the end is a nice flourish, subsequent posts have continued to be focused on analyzing things, liked in particular him taking a skeptical eye to the interactions between you and datisi

Had him as town similarly early in chromatic ascension based on a similar style of posting.

@catboi this is an early game gutread?

also do you still think he's town? I am starting to become Concerned about him

Yes, why wouldn't it be an early game read? I could do the lazy thing and go "vibes" but I tried to actually justify it

I've not really seen anything terribly concerning from him thus far and he seems to be unafraid in putting forth opinions, what are you actually oncerned about with him? If you're going to say "low volume" that's a super lazy read

[catboi]

Not really, i'm bad a reading him
I do think he's low key scummy rn tho

why is that

[catboi]

id like to hear catboi's opinion on this more than anyone else atm rn because if im wrong i think he'd be the one to best be on the other side and slap me back to reality

I get what you're saying, I'm just not totally convinced the difference makes him scum this game, if that makes sense

[catboi]

Not really, i'm bad a reading him
I do think he's low key scummy rn tho

why is that

This is kinda a gut read, idk. Hard to put into words. But dont super feel like he's town and he isnt really trying to solve anything (ehich can admittedly be nai but makes it hard to townread him too)

Was feeling something with regard to him not being obvious town but I know he's not high effort every game, but...maybe

[catboi]

I find myself struggling for enthusiasm this game for whatever reason. I can't bring myself to focus my attention on the game for an extended period of time. Don't know why, just not that interested. Might wait 'til after new years' to try reading the game again.

[catboi]

Hi, I hope everyone had a happy new year~

I enjoyed not thinking about this game for a little while. I will throw myself back into the pit tomorrow.

[catboi]

id like to hear catboi's opinion on this more than anyone else atm rn because if im wrong i think he'd be the one to best be on the other side and slap me back to reality

I get what you're saying, I'm just not totally convinced the difference makes him scum this game, if that makes sense

okay do u still think he's town though? so u agree now that this isn't actually similar to chromatic ascension?

Not confidently, but not really enough to want to vote him, I'll tell you how I feel when I'm current on the game.

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The argument between iv/Datisi on page 60 mostly feels like a headache and reminds me of why I wanted to stop reading this game in the first place. I had IV as town based on overall enthusiasm, case on midwwaybear feels earnest, him turning around and paranoiaing on datisi afte townreading him probably not the play he does as scum, the fixation on the particulars of datisi calling his vote a case is probably towny. I still kind of think datisi is town for his responses but am less sure there

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Here I'll sheep IV on this because I do think this is like 99% scum and I'd rather get someone obviously scum out of the game then let them sit around
VOTE: midwaybear

I'm not really picking up on why he is "obviously" scum based on your ISO? You said one post bothered you tonally but I'm not sure how that equates to the level of confidence you have here

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wait do you think scum skitter approaches you this way immediately?

That was the doubt I had but she keeps doing the thing where her reasons for suspecting me keep changing after they become invalid and so I'm tilting my head to the side and going "really"? at the stuff she's saying

Historically, how scum indicative is this behavior? I unfortunately feel like I see it as either alignment, there's the question of "Working backwards" that I consider strongly indicative, but there's vaguely negative feelings and slowly drilling down/reworking it to understand the feeling..

God, I don't know, I don't keep a mental index of it but typically when someone's town and their reasoning is shown to be flawed it gives them some pause, unless they're a severe tunneler

---

I don't have big thoughts on the read wall in 1501 but I'm not really being whelmed by the scumreads I'm seeing there

---

1507 pings me

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Not really, i'm bad a reading him
I do think he's low key scummy rn tho

why is that

This is kinda a gut read, idk. Hard to put into words. But dont super feel like he's town and he isnt really trying to solve anything (ehich can admittedly be nai but makes it hard to townread him too)

Was feeling something with regard to him not being obvious town but I know he's not high effort every game, but...maybe

Sorry, i'm not sure what you're saying here

was saying I think if he continues doing nothing but floating it's scum-indicative

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I'll have a big post to dump tomorrow. If anyone is curious about my reads I'm pretty confident in Innocentvillager and Flow Trap being scum. I have Mare as townier than I'm sure most of you do. Faker/catboi/Midway might contain a scum. Andante probably town. I don't have Datisi as a strong scum read but I am surprised to see him getting votes. Skitter kind of townish. Anyone else is a weaker read than those.

This feel extremely like a mad libs type post, where the names are attached to generic sort of comments without actual reasoning for them, the association of me/faker/midway in a trio is very arbitrary

[catboi]

I'm overgamed and have no self-confidence right now and probably shouldn't have signed up but I'm still going to try

[catboi]

Who is even calling her townie

I recall dats, faker, and catboi, and i think there were at least one or two others as well

I said I liked her start, not really a strong read or anything

---

I still think midwaybear's posts like 1542, 1550 are

fine

and don't get where the scumreads are coming from

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Okay, I caught up, jesus fucking christ. Really just skimmed the last few pages, outright skipped Datisi/skitter round 30, but we are DONE.

T->S as usual

Town: Andante
Probably town: innocentvillager
Townlean: Something_Smart, Datisi
Null (Going to be real other than NSG at the top and cat at the bottom this ordering is very loose): northsidegal, skitter, midwaybear, Sleepless Assassin, Pooky, catboi
Scumlean: Mare
Scum: SirCakez, flow trap

SirCakez is always fucking limbait but every single post I read from 40 on I thought was some combination of ingratiating or opportunistic and I wanted to flip him.

I have a few projects I want to work on later, not particularly important that I get to all of them but:
-Recent Cakez/Pooky interactions in other games
-midwaybear as a person+his recent responses to me that I was too tired to process
-Review Datisi/skitter independently, skitter had like one point that was okay but the rest was so NAI or +town imo. Part of me wants to try to toneread Datisi based off the reactions, because substantively they're rote softballs, but iuno

Top reads fine, don't get the townlean on something_smart need to review cakez I guess

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1570 is a lot of words on andante that were probably not all that necessary, I think the flow trap meta in 1571 is undercooked based on my own research but my read on his basically still TBD based on how he's posted in the last few days. Don't like the lack of meaningful words on midway in 1573, even with not being willing to vote I want a little more than "still seems scummy". Bit confusing

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Catboi i dont remember: do you wk your partners?

Not typically, no

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Pooky's exchange with skitter from 1608 to 1621 is some top goofy theorizing but felt towny.

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I'm reading the promised wall from sleepless in 1643 and it doesn't quite line up with most of his stated reads earlier - no comment on why mare is towny or why he had the faker/midway/me as "possibly containing a scum"

[catboi]

I'm not really picking up on why he is "obviously" scum based on your ISO? You said one post bothered you tonally but I'm not sure how that equates to the level of confidence you have here

i didn't explicitly state everything I just thought that up to that point their posts were transparently scummy from the obvious lack of town motivation

That's a very generic statement. What wasn't town motivated about them? It felt to me like he was attempting to solve, wasn't exactly being opportunistic

[catboi]

catboi is town

I, uh, appreciate the love, but why?

[catboi]

I don't see 1903 coming from maf, like, something about the way I read it, if someone who SRs you wants to talk with me about why you're maf, I'd be happy to discuss why I think you're town, but yeah. I'm pretty sure you're town. Should I be SRing you?

that's literally just a quotewall reply though

I've been okay with you being seemingly universal townread I just think this is not a great way to read me or anything

[catboi]

i don't see it

you see maf writing 1903? and like the amount of effort catboi is giving? like I'm pretty sure he's not maf

1. posts like that aren't a significant amount of effort, as it is I feel like I'm running on fumes because I've overextended myself

2. you're going to get about half the people in the game telling you that effort is a nulltell for me

[catboi]

I don't see 1903 coming from maf, like, something about the way I read it, if someone who SRs you wants to talk with me about why you're maf, I'd be happy to discuss why I think you're town, but yeah. I'm pretty sure you're town. Should I be SRing you?

that's literally just a quotewall reply though

I've been okay with you being seemingly universal townread I just think this is not a great way to read me or anything

so you're maf?

No I'm just saying the stuff you're reading me for isn't a good heuristic

[catboi]

SA's wall seems very town. I can get more into that if people think it would help.

Lemme catch up first. Then I will.

Why can't you just talk about it now?

[catboi]

I wanted to pull quotes from the wall to explain why I townread it but there aren't many specific lines I can point to, honestly. For one, I think posting a wall that detailed after having almost no content thus far as scum would be ambitious. But even aside from just the existence/size of it, it's laid out in a way that seems to reflect a genuine thought process jumping from topic to topic. Coming out swinging on IV and then revisiting it in detail, the random interspersed reachouts, the edits and addendums, and the section marked as for nsg. It doesn't feel to me that it was crafted to look certain way, it feels like it was an attempt to sort out thoughts into words.

Does that make sense?

I feel like he's probably a wallposter regardless of alignment.

Checked to see if it's in his wheelhouse and a recent scumgame from 2019 has walls but more of the quote stripe variety - skim says shallower but I'm not really in the mood or have the focus to deep read right now

[catboi]

it's more of a summary of his thoughts on topics he deemed important

uhhh the only main thoughts there summarized are the IV thoughts, and it's repeating the few pages where we were like "Iv is not town cause of A,B,C" nothing in that wall felt like a genuine original thought. You think it makes Sleepless town? like, it's SO MUCH EASIER to make a post like that as maf than to interact with people in real time

But you called me town for a really low effort quote wall...?

[catboi]

I don't know why but I'm in hysterics at midwaybear flip flopping his read on me repeatedly with barely any input from me after 1661, was probably what i needed right now

Still don't see him going from 1657 to 1662 as scum

Cat if you don't carry me and vote scum I am willing to yeet you our the window

why would you

ever

expect me to do that?

I get that this is likely hyperbolic and just trying to kick my butt into action but I read it at the exact wrong time

read the next few pages and had very little I want to talk about. Maybe I'll try again tomorrow. I'm not really in the mood for any more tonight.

[catboi]

still have a gap from page 70-77 or something like that but reading up from last night

[catboi]

Mare doesn't take neighborizer as scum with her draft position

[catboi]

Mare doesn't take neighborizer as scum with her draft position

oh yeah this is a good point

i mean porlly she shouldn't as town either tbh but it's more likely to come from town than scum given that she did it so i agree

town does whatever but unless her teammates are in andante/skitter/midway (unlikely) taking neighborizer there is a throw

[catboi]

So for cat

Cat if you don't carry me and vote scum I am willing to yeet you our the window

why would you

ever

expect me to do that?

I get that this is likely hyperbolic and just trying to kick my butt into action but I read it at the exact wrong time

read the next few pages and had very little I want to talk about. Maybe I'll try again tomorrow. I'm not really in the mood for any more tonight.

I've spent a lot of time chewing on this post and how to respond, with 2011 as the stopgap. I'd like to offer you a verbal hand to stand up again and play some mafia. I think being roundabout is going to backfire, and I don't want any questions of good/bad faith or exploitation.

I'm going to vote you if I think you're the best vote available. I hope you won't be.

Okay

[catboi]

So for cat

Cat if you don't carry me and vote scum I am willing to yeet you our the window

why would you

ever

expect me to do that?

I get that this is likely hyperbolic and just trying to kick my butt into action but I read it at the exact wrong time

read the next few pages and had very little I want to talk about. Maybe I'll try again tomorrow. I'm not really in the mood for any more tonight.

I've spent a lot of time chewing on this post and how to respond, with 2011 as the stopgap. I'd like to offer you a verbal hand to stand up again and play some mafia. I think being roundabout is going to backfire, and I don't want any questions of good/bad faith or exploitation.

I'm going to vote you if I think you're the best vote available. I hope you won't be.

Okay

For clarity, what would make me "the best vote available"?

[catboi]

For clarity, what would make me "the best vote available"?

Scumread, default vote in lieu of absence of read (ex. my earlier), compromise vote over TR, etc.

Don't get your confusion here.

Just wasn't sure if there was some particular expectation being placed on me or not

[catboi]

K I;m going to go play video games

[catboi]

Hey cat, instead of lurking you should consider placing a fucking vote before deadline.

I was going to vote you for fun but it wouldn't feel appropriate after the last few pages

[catboi]

I have zero confidence in myself right now and would rather just sheep someone who has a strong read. Think iv andante mare and midway town not really confident on anyone else

[catboi]

Whole exchange with pooky strikes me as not related to alignment and I'm not going to read anything into it

[catboi]

Actually

VOTE: flow trap

my impression of him based on researching a few games is that he tends to filler/spam post early as either alignment but as town he gradually transitions into playing more serious where as scum it never really comes, he'll throw in the occasional opinion to look like he's doing something but there's not a lot going on behind the curtain, so to speak. And I feel like his posts over the last couple of real-time days have been essentially that: responding to things for the sake of responding to them but nothing that gives any indication he's really thinking about the game at all

[catboi]

Might be being overly generous to mare on second thought but not really a bridge I'm interested in crossing today still

[catboi]

y u confident on midway town again? quoting past stuff fine

i remember last time we talked about him you were kinda reconsidering/maybe nullish on him

I will be honest I was working almost entirely off the top of my head from memory and holding to my early impression because I have not wanted to think about the game at all. I basically skimmed the entire section of you thinking he slipped. On looking it over it now: not really convincing as a slip. In terms of the rest of his posting it still feels like he's sorting in earnest (e.g. 1791, 1794, 1798, yes this is essentially "long post town" but he's stringing together paragraphs of reasoning that are believable and seems unbothered by the pressure on him, even after you were saying he slipped, which feels townish here. I don't find the reasons for scumreading him to be strong the idea that he's not interacting with people ergo scum isn't all that convincing given that that feels like a variable that can change depending on how connected one feels to the game (I often tend toward playing more of an ovserver as town), and interacting with others is ~relatively easy to fake anyway.

(I am still lazy so I looked at your ISO and found your reasoning from the top of the second page, if you have some other points against him I'd appreciate it if you could restate it)

[catboi]

i am genuinely starting to think catboi is scum, not just my meme push I always do on them because of past games

Then why the hell are you voting flow trap?

[catboi]

oh he literally isn't in the present, this is going to be fun

[catboi]

I don't know why he makes that vote if still catching up but w/e

[catboi]

i am genuinely starting to think catboi is scum, not just my meme push I always do on them because of past games

nah cat is town

why

i am genuinely starting to think catboi is scum, not just my meme push I always do on them because of past games

Then why the hell are you voting flow trap?

you are obviously not being elimmed today

Not a good enough answer

VOTE: cakez

[catboi]

If you think I'm scum, then fucking case me, cakeboi. You go on and on about how it's your dream to catch me as scum, practically get a stiffy over it, you catch a whiff of it here, and your response is "ah well, not happening today"? The last time you had me you let me go while I baited you into eliminating town, sure, I don't get a safehouse to scamper off to this game, but if you really goddamn believed I was scum I struggle to believe you act so passive and limp wristed about it

[catboi]

[catboi]

Cat literally saw my interaction with Pooky and was like "I'mma steal this" and just changed the names to Cakez

No this is different, I am the Lupin to Cakez's Zenigata, the subject of a long running cat and mouse game with vaguely homoerotic undertones, continually obsessive in his pursuit of me but unable to ever actually take me down. But in spite of this, Zenigata remains dogged in his pursuit, always believing

this time

will be the one he captures Lupin. He never throws his hands up and says "what's the use, Lupin always gets away anyway". Him taking a resigned stance does not feel believable at all.

[catboi]

What do you think about Sleepless, cat?

Looked at ISO past the wall post and it's not great but could be worse. Wouldn't be shocked if he flipped scum I suppose

[catboi]

What do you think about Sleepless, cat?

Looked at ISO past the wall post and it's not great but could be worse. Wouldn't be shocked if he flipped scum I suppose

for what it's worth every time I say this about a player where I'm not sure they flip scum, but definitely don't townread them, the wagon end up going through while I hang back passively doing nothing and they flip scum and then I wind up sitting in the POE all game and having a meltdown

But I'd be outright lying if I said I strongly believed he flips scum

[catboi]

Literally cat did this same thing to me as scum previously where he takes my blueprint of an argument and applies it to someone else immediately afterwards

And it didn't really work then tbh but the point is

I am ready to be hurt again

wasn't even intentional that time I was barely reading what you wrote lmaooooooooo

[catboi]

I haven't played chess since I was in middle school or even elementary school I don't remember

you'd think I would but like with most things I quit at the first sign of adversity

[catboi]

No, because chess when you were young required sitting down across from another person

Sometimes you even have to talk to them

[catboi]

I would've been fine shrugyeeting pooky rather than waiting for a replacement but nah not following cakez on a vote

[catboi]

This is funny to me since I spent three weeks or so locked in a cage with flow trap and my conclusion was this dude unreadable YEET

so do you think both catboi and nsg are wrong then in their assessment of flow? seems like you've done more meta diving than them?

I feel like obviously the implication is yes?

will try to go into detail on my own view when I'm not at work and can concentrate

[catboi]

Not really going to make alignment speculation w/r/t the replacement request. Not because I think it's unethical (and even if you block it people are just going to hide behind other reasons anyway), but because that kind of thing can easily be inaccurate and lead to bad reads

[catboi]

menalque replaces pooky.

lmao

[catboi]

I think cat's characterization isn't the worst (Iceland he became very obviously town as the game went on and he gave more in Charge Me Up) but given that it's Day 1 and he's had issues with his computer breaking, really not sold either way.

probably a fair assessment just feel like his replies since we rolled over into 2022 have become very stifled and 2161/2164 do not exactly inspire confidence

[catboi]

also why tf is neither wagonee here

is this scum!indicative??

I don't think SA not being here is scum indicative.

Flow, not as sure.

So who do you actually want voted out here?

Good luck with that one

[catboi]

flow was also anti-town in micro 1007, which I had assumed from a glance was a bastard meme game but was actually not.

Actually looking through all their games now, because I'm trying to see if they have any instances of doing the sort of rambling summary they posted in that game as town, because they're done it a couple times here.

[catboi]

Mena I missed you so much you’re so cool I won’t pocket you you’re like my favorite player your avatar is looking cute today vote Cakez with meeeeee? *twirls* <3 <3

I rescind my earlier read, lock mafia

[catboi]

Catboi and I after voting Cakez, knowing well in advance he is flipping green but unable to control our ancestral inheritance

it's inevitable I don't blame you two

cakez I'm mafia and will escape your clutches yet again

[catboi]

Catboi and I after voting Cakez, knowing well in advance he is flipping green but unable to control our ancestral inheritance

it's inevitable I don't blame you two

cakez I'm mafia and will escape your clutches yet again

I get that this is a joke but it feels like bad faith to me and not something cat would say to a scum Cakez.

I wanted to see what he'd say in response

[catboi]

Don't really do cheeky scumclaims, was trying to provoke

something

from him. Don't care for the answer, deflated response doesn't make a ton of sense to me.

[catboi]

sleepless i'm really sorry to keep badgering you, but like, how/when are you planning on catching up and/or how do you think you'll be able to get to a point where you're able to engage with the game more holisitcally?

like is there any way i can help with that?

i'm like instinctively scumreading you, and your content, but i can *see* and understand the universe where you're town who just hasn't been able to catch up, and i really don't want to flip you in that universe, but we can't just not pressure you for the rest of the game because you're behind

like i'm not really sure what the best way to handle your slot is rn ..

pedit yes

Don't like this post

[catboi]

Is there anything specific you were trying to provoke?

Is there any reason you'd expect a less "deflated" response from town?

I think I like it less after those two posts.

You're lacking the context of personal history between us, I've beaten cakez as mafia multiple times and normally he bites at my leg like a yappy chihuahua because he's so eager to catch me, here he made passing reference to thinking I might be scum but didn't follow through, the whole thing fell flat which made me question the seriousness of his belief

[catboi]

I'm reading Open 816 and he wasn't a lifeless fish that game like I thought though so I don't know anymore

[catboi]

Can you elaborate on these characteristics a bit? From the standard definition, Faker seems relatively diplomatic this game (he even mentioned that it was basically the goal of the alt).

Spoiler: Normal Flow

Maybe

Spoiler: Brutally Honest Flow

No, I cannot, I do not have the mental capacity to determine of how these specific vague concepts and what I am thinking into anything logical right now but I am going to have a freakout trying to as I don't want to be useless anymore.

this is one of the few posts in flow's iso that townpinged me a bit

Why does that townping you?

[catboi]

if anyone wants to start a flashwagon/case on someone other than sleepless or flow now is the time. It will be too late very soon.

VOTE: innocentvillager

yeet

[catboi]

no, c'mon dude

[catboi]

Andante: town
skitter30: null
midwaybear: probably town
Mare: lean town
innocentvillager: town
SirCakez: lean scum
Faker: sheepishly admitting he's town
catboi - nya
Menalque: scumlean from pooky, willing to give him time to get into the game
Datisi: lean town
northsidegal: probably town, under the impression she's fairly polarized and think posting is all right so far
Sleepless Assassin: null
flow trap: scum
Something_Smart: null

In draft order because that's more fun

I guess if the wagons are unsatisfying I'd entertain a vote on something_smart, or if I were feeling particularly spicy, skitter

[catboi]

I don't think being inactive at deadline is an alignment tell, sometimes people just vanish, trying to read too far into it is stupid

[catboi]

separately think Sleepless has been flagrantly self-preservative first and foremost throughout this.

Can you give me some examples of this?

[catboi]

VOTE: sleepless

reread the iso and almost all of the last 40-ish posts are white noise

[catboi]

God, what is wrong with me?

I don't think you've given the same benefit of the doubt to flow and Sleepless that you have to Cakez.

i'm around now
i feel like i'm actively giving the benefit of the doubt to sleepless
flow i don't really see anything to townread
cakez neither but i also don't know if this is how he approaches this as scum

I've never played with flow trap, no
I didnt say this is doomsday inevitable, i was explaining how i would be feeling in this situation (which is what i was extrapolating from), and scum-me would consider this inevitable-ish, yes

Also jsut like not everyone plays scum like me, not everyone plays scum like you ...

Pedit well i am no longer down to vote sleepless

Would be exceptionally curious to hear why because I found basically nothing in his posting that you should be giving the benefit of the doubt to

[catboi]

separately think Sleepless has been flagrantly self-preservative first and foremost throughout this.

Can you give me some examples of this?

VOTE: sleepless

reread the iso and almost all of the last 40-ish posts are white noise

I want to note that my first instinct to seeing this was to think every wagon was wrong, unvote, and cower in a corner because I suck.

And that is probably exactly what is happening, but my choice is made.

Come at me