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[Dwlee99]

But ily

Dwlee

please be town ty

hey, did'ya miss me?

[Dwlee99]

I've been kind of meaning to put real thought into mafia instead of my usual small brain react style so gonna do that this game

Will start after I take a shower

[Dwlee99]

Dwlee99 feeling self dirty after receiving PM, kinda sus

Actually from playing league of legends

[Dwlee99]

Okay through page 14:

I believe Zefiend is town because:

I can't find "LHF" acronym anywhere on the wiki, someone help me out.

mastina's logic does have some elements of WIFOM sprinkled throughout, but I like it overall. I would like to say though, if I rolled scum

and we had day chat

and I knew we'd have to claim preferences, I would think that each of us claiming something different from {scum, town, neither, refuse} would throw the whole damn thing mastina is doing off course.

See bolded, setup has day talk, zefiend is trying to ease in after what seems like a long hiatus (I think I remember playing with you, so hello!) from a time when day talk wasn't guaranteed. I don't think scum!zefiend would be thinking to pretend about the day chat, and it seems like a genuine hypothetical because zefiend isn't aware of shifting site meta that almost always gives day talk (which he would know is common from having day talk now and probably inquiring about it)

I also think Enchant is town. I'm getting lazy with the quotes but I don't think scum is likely to actually claim they gave a mafia preference, and their demeanor is very reminiscent of town games with them.

Cheeky is also town. The read on mastina + the switch to scorpius + scumread on Taly is out of pocket and unnecessary imo from scum!cheeky, especially because...

Taly is obviously town

[Dwlee99]

Do house and scorp next oh wise dwlee

I'm eating pretzels

[Dwlee99]

Equally apologizing for the added disappointment that I am not pocketed by

Dwlee

.

That's more of a day three or four of me being here kinda thing so it's okay. All things in due time

Dwlee that must be one big ass preztel.

Many small ones actually. But I had a doctor's appointment and then just didn't look at mafia for a day. This post will continue looking at stuff from the start of page 15 where I left off.

Okay so I've now read up to where I replace in.

I'm actually getting nothing really indicative out of this section here. Random collection of thoughts though:

• Apparently mastina sometimes just does the mason claim as a meme, so it shouldn't be taken completely seriously.

[Dwlee99]

Damnit, I wasn't done that post. Okay, where I left off:

Scorpius can absolutely AtE as scum. We backed off him in wildlife (mini normal) but he was scum. I haven't seen Scorpius as town unless this one, but do not use the ate as a clearing method. I want to review that game to compare the style of ate, because Scorpius couldn't have known I'd replace in and be able to analyze this, but that'll be not a phone post.

I'm like fine with Meg wagon but I'm really not sure how people read them cause they always are scummy.

Saw vote count as well so
UNVOTE:

I am going to start here.
VOTE: Scorpius
Pending comparing the AtE

[Dwlee99]

And yes it's a very common scum tactic to replace in or quickly in any game suggest I'm obvtown with little otherwise stated reasoning

I can list examples from almost every recent completed towngame that that has happened and why I'm cautious with

Dwlee

also considering I scumread their predecessor.

You're just like Datisi to me now

There's a huge cogdis here.

Dwlee: Meg's always scummy, so I don't want to vote there and don't get how to read her.
Also Dwlee: I've never seen Scorpious as town, but he's a fine vote.


I don't see scum making this kind of fallacious thinking as they'd watch themselves.

There's no cognitive dissonance here. Meg is someone I've seen mislimmed (and correctly limmed) countless times and I really don't know the difference. Scorpius is someone I've watched AtE a ton as scum and even if I haven't seen his town game that's still something to go off of. I haven't done my cross analysis of the AtE yet, but I think this is good enough for a pressure vote on the wagon vs. a vote on a mature (hard intent to Lim) meg wagon.

[Dwlee99]

Datisi does this thing every game I townread him where he gets super paranoid of me for no reason. I've gotten into a game and in hours been like "Datisi locktown, if cop guilty claimed on datisi you should lim the cop" and then got myself nightkilled by a bit too obviously hinting PR to avoid Datisi trying to murder me

[Dwlee99]

But it's not paranoia because paranoia implies doubt. I just want to know why you think I'm town to placate my suspicion.

Spoiler:

Spoiler:

uh how do I not get N1'd um

ok fine I'm NK baiting, there. Y’all will never know my true intentions now.

I'll twerk to survive

Die*

etc.

[Dwlee99]

Okay looking at new posts now

[Dwlee99]

Oh there was a hammer

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Enchant
Good wagon and I agree that I don't find their defense of me likely to be genuine.

Okay, I hate this post. I'm good with the hammer.

[Dwlee99]

Not sure if Galron dumbtelling or town. Cheeky had to be the NK target for her to die there

Starting here again
VOTE: Scorpious

[Dwlee99]

Scorpius was AtEing this game, I'll find examples later.

I wasn't fine with Meg's elimination in 702. I was in 844 cause I didn't like the Enchant vote

[Dwlee99]

Scorpius was AtEing this game, I'll find examples later.

I wasn't fine with Meg's elimination in 702. I was in 844 cause I didn't like the Enchant vote

My mistake. The post I was referring to was actually 652. The second one is tagged correctly.

I'm like fine with Meg wagon but I'm really not sure how people read them cause they always are scummy.

I was fine with the wagon as a pressure tool, but I didn't want to join it as a to lim thing. There isn't an inconsistency

[Dwlee99]

There wasn't a point beyond talking about my thoughts. I'm trying to do less small brain. That's a read I felt good about with like, actual thoughts in my head that aren't "MMM vibes"

[Dwlee99]

For scum or for town? Cause for the former, no

[Dwlee99]

Before I'd say Greeting is town for just posting big text walls I don't want to read but we trying to do some bigger brain.

I still have my reads from before. Nothing today has really swayed me but the cheeky kills makes me think we should still be considering Scorpius who hasn't done anything today.

[Dwlee99]

Before I'd say Greeting is town for just posting big text walls I don't want to read but we trying to do some bigger brain.

I still have my reads from before. Nothing today has really swayed me but the cheeky kills makes me think we should still be considering Scorpius who hasn't done anything today.

Call me town in your next post or imma vote you.

Do you actually think you're out of the scum range you showed in opposum?

[Dwlee99]

Mastina remains confidently town for me and if anyone should sheep any of my reads this game it is here.

Please explain why mastina is town here

[Dwlee99]

Okay but fmpov it feels like the poe is just a series of mislims. I agree that it seems like she believes it but I don't see anything separating this from my experience with her scum game in chrono trigger besides posting rate (which I believe she didn't post because of irl stuff there, not cause she was scum)

[Dwlee99]

So there's 2-3 scum in {zefiend, Dwlee, Flea} if my mechanics spec is onpoint (with 0-1 in House),
Or there's 1-3 scum in {zefiend, Dwlee, Flea} if my reads are onpoint (with 0-2 in {Galron, Enchant}, likely not Enchant).

So her current poe is...

Zefiend
Dwlee
Flea
House
Galron
Enchant

I think zefiend and enchant are mislim targets right now.

I think I'm a potential mislim target cause you're alive and cheeky's not.

Flea/House/Galron is a toss up on alignments

[Dwlee99]

Before I'd say Greeting is town for just posting big text walls I don't want to read but we trying to do some bigger brain.

I still have my reads from before. Nothing today has really swayed me but the cheeky kills makes me think we should still be considering Scorpius who hasn't done anything today.

Call me town in your next post or imma vote you.

Do you actually think you're out of the scum range you showed in opposum?

VOTE: Dwlee

You were warned.

I'll take that as a no

[Dwlee99]

So there's 2-3 scum in {zefiend, Dwlee, Flea} if my mechanics spec is onpoint (with 0-1 in House),
Or there's 1-3 scum in {zefiend, Dwlee, Flea} if my reads are onpoint (with 0-2 in {Galron, Enchant}, likely not Enchant).

So her current poe is...

Zefiend
Dwlee
Flea
House
Galron
Enchant

I think zefiend and enchant are mislim targets right now.

I think I'm a potential mislim target cause you're alive and cheeky's not.

Flea/House/Galron is a toss up on alignments

Taly this post was directed at you

[Dwlee99]

You can take that as, "I don't believe you actually believe your own theory."

It would be more accurate.

So... you do think you're out of your scum range?

[Dwlee99]

I'm... Not pushing you. Are YOU paying attention?

[Dwlee99]

You said I was "grasping" for something to push. Presumably on you. I haven't done that in the slightest

[Dwlee99]

I asked you that so you could potentially town case yourself but all I got was "read what I said to Taly" which has been half memes I've skimmed over

[Dwlee99]

Yea except I'm not doing the bullshit "house memed so town" thing this game sorry

[Dwlee99]

So I'm curious because you believe Enchant is a mislim but cannot say the same for House, are they just a ? to you?

Yes

I'm just trying to see a House/Scorpious universe because that would involve a good bit of bussing from both slots.

Haven't thought about associatives yet

I still don't feel compelled to townread zefiend, they are doing what I would do as scum in a plist that I don't think I can deepwolf in.

Can you articulate what that is?

I also don't know if Cheeky was a designated NK, so to suggest you're a mislim off this pretense would mean that scum could be pivoting to you as a reactive response.

Cheeky was targeted with a kill to die. I don't think it was a vig cause we'd see an extra death unless there was a blocked kill, which seems less likely to me than just cheeky being night killed

So if you townread Greeting, then you must think House is deflecting from a 1v1 with Enchant as likely scum. Is this an incorrect view of your progression?

I'm not really sure what you're talking about here. I don't think house has done too much AI stuff. He is solidly null for me as a result. I still prefer Scorpius over anything else

[Dwlee99]

There's also not s wagon on house so he doesn't seem like a designated mislim

[Dwlee99]

You don't know what shading is if me repeatedly saying you're null is a shade

[Dwlee99]

Null is always poe LOL

[Dwlee99]

When I poe it's specifically find people I think are town, leave everyone else out. Idk what you're on but I'm leaving thread bye

[Dwlee99]

When I poe it's specifically find people I think are town, leave everyone else out. Idk what you're on but I'm leaving thread bye

So you're townreading everyone but me, Flea, Galron, mastina, and Scorpious, yes?

I don't think you understand what PoE means... it's something I'd say if I didn't think you meant what PoE meant.

Yes. I think I understand what PoE means and you don't.

Dwlee, diy you think Galron & I could both be scum?

I haven't thought about associatives and I already have said repeatedly I most want Scorpius dead.

[Dwlee99]

Null is always poe LOL

Bad take. Boo!

Where are the null reads if not in the poe by definition? What the fuck

[Dwlee99]

So are my reads too good or too bad here scorpius? That post has nothing about my alignment

[Dwlee99]

So are my reads too good or too bad here scorpius? That post has nothing about my alignment

I think your posts insinuate you know more than you should and based on the last game. You need all the help you can get. You make me very uncomfortable, maybe I’m
Meta ing to much, but I don’t think pressure on you right now hurts anything.

When I poe it's specifically find people I think are town, leave everyone else out. Idk what you're on but I'm leaving thread bye

I hate these posts, I hated Enchant’s as well..

“Screw your guys, I’m going home”..

House can meme that

I'm pretty sure I have equal confidence between those games except here I actually feel like I have justification

[Dwlee99]

You also said the whole "I hate these posts" last game when you were scum on people that were town

[Dwlee99]

I haven't thought about associatives

I want a yes or a no.

Can Galron & I be scum together?

I couldn't give less shits right now house

[Dwlee99]

Null is always poe LOL

Bad take. Boo!

Where are the null reads if not in the poe by definition? What the fuck

PoE is code for "I townread everyone else, so these players have to be the scum".

The existence of nullreads invalidates any claim of PoE by default.

These players have to contain scum. Unless you think I think we have 5 scum this game!

[Dwlee99]

Should be a question mark not an exclamation

[Dwlee99]

Literally just look at my use of poe ever in a different game. This is a pointless conversation

[Dwlee99]

I haven't thought about associatives

I want a yes or a no.

Can Galron & I be scum together?

I couldn't give less shits right now house

Right, why bother solving the game when you already have the answer?

No, because it's not worth my energy when I'm not even concerned with flipping either of you

[Dwlee99]

I have poe down to five. That's absolutely poe wtf

[Dwlee99]

Datisi - nice slayer's
MegAzumarill - ???
Emperor flippyNips - ???
Andante - kinda town idk
Testarossa - hella town
frogsfrogs - I meme'd this town but hate the reads list ^-^
bugspray - not scum with datisi but likely scum
Dwlee99 - hella town
kennyk - hella town

my poe rn is bugs/meg/frogs/flippy nips

I've used it this way for tons of games. Pretty sure I know what I'm talking about

[Dwlee99]

House why wasn't this an issue that game?

[Dwlee99]

PoE = "these CANNOT be, so those MUST" be.

"Might be" has no place in PoE, by definition of the term.

So a Poe can only be used when one townreads #of players - #scum, uh huh

[Dwlee99]

Okay so now house is with me

Wish this forum supported clown emojis

[Dwlee99]

Scorpius mastina third?

[Dwlee99]

Titus why should I vote zefiend

[Dwlee99]

Okay so Scorpius now?

[Dwlee99]

Also Taly did I miss something re: 3 on you?

[Dwlee99]

Why was it necessary to claim there huh

[Dwlee99]

1-shot Neapolitan

Another weak claim but because it's weak it lends support to Ircher's weak claim.

Ircher isn't in this one lol

[Dwlee99]

So we have:
Cheeky no action or blocked my something
Zefiend roleblocking Taly
Something else blocking Scorpius

Could zefiend be ascetic?

[Dwlee99]

^

VOTE: scorpius

[Dwlee99]

If scorpius is town I could see scum killing him assuming he lied about shots, but I still want the yeet

[Dwlee99]

If scorpius is town I could see scum killing him assuming he lied about shots, but I still want the yeet

If you wonder why I think you're scum, this post is an excellent example.

If he flips green, this post reeks of TMI. Scorpious is not at all the obvious nk last night.

Do you think I wouldn't realize that if I were scum and not make the post

[Dwlee99]

I asking again, more seriously now.

Who submitted Town Jailkeeper and Town Neapolitan?

I didn't.

I submitted JOAT. That could include Neapolitan.

You should be full claiming if there's more to your role

[Dwlee99]

Why did you try to watch house?

[Dwlee99]

Okay, that's pretty easy to confirm... I think.

You really used Neopolitan willy-nilly n1, instead of Informed?

Just bruh.

Informed kinda overrated ngl

[Dwlee99]

Just because the eliminations are bad doesn't mean the PoE itself is. We could have a misread in more universal townreads but assessing who is town in the current pool would be a better direction to solve than "you're not town enough, die" or "everything we know is wrong."

I really don't think we have more than 1 scum maximum in

Titus/Taly/mastina/House/Greeting

.

Tbh my reads have not changed much.

^Pretty much this.

I am inclined to believe Scorpious was sent to perform the kill and would be willing to vote there.

I agree, but the reason I voted Dwlee is,
1: I believe that Scorpious, whatever scum role he is (goon, PR), is the most expendable member of the scumteam;
2: I believe that the scumteam knew Scorpious was blocked last night and knew he was going down;
3: As such I believe that Dwlee's vote of Scorpious before the result was scum-indicative as TMI.

That said, I'll still settle for a guaranteed scum elimination over a probable scum elimination even if said guaranteed scum elimination is worthless to the scumteam and said probable scum elimination likely still has a use to the scumteam. Because guaranteed scum elimination > probable scum elimination.

(I'm not voting Scorpious because I'm letting players get a chance to check in.)

I've been voting Scorpius since D1 wut

[Dwlee99]

Hey, i know.

VOTE: Titus

Huh?

[Dwlee99]

Zefiend claimed it and I assume Scorpius got no result?

[Dwlee99]

I'm always choosing guaranteed scum to probable scum but I'm not sure anyone is confscum at the moment.

We could leash

Scorp's

vig.

Scorp

how do you know that you were jailed? If

zefiend

claimed it I missed it.

Btw this is a bad idea. If we mislim today and scum have a way to roleblock, then scum would roleblock Scorpius if the vig shot would go on scum and not if on town, and in the latter we would just lose.

[Dwlee99]

Did we ever figure out what could have stopped Scorpius N1 result?

[Dwlee99]

There had to be a roleblock on Scorpius though even if zefiend is scum cause scorpius claimed no result.

[Dwlee99]

Dwlee and scorpious, what is this last game you two refer to, and what is its applicability here?

It's why I scumread scorpius. He just ate'd when under pressure and did this same exact posting style. I said that D1 weary

[Dwlee99]

Because zefiend jailed him and no kill happened + he claimed parts of his role that weren't there earlier including a watcher, a strong power role that is only balanced if scum have some sort of ninja, and that he claimed to use on house not zefiend, a claimed PR.

[Dwlee99]

I say this because I think Titus/mastina/Galron/House/Enchant all lean town but there is so much dissonance among these players on players like Dwlee/Scorp and each other that I wonder if it's AI and I'm failing to see the details.

This turns my personal solve into

Dwlee/Scorp/zefiend

which seems almost like wishful thinking lol and somewhat contradicts my earlier assessment that

Dwlee/Scorp

have hellbussed from little provocation.

But where do I reassess?

bruh

[Dwlee99]

goodnight

[Dwlee99]

Scorpius mastina third?

Do you think this solve is more plausible now than ever?

And if so, who would be the third?

Yea, especially how Mastina reacted to Scorpius end of day and wanted me limmed in his place. "I think <town> is scum with <buddy> so lim <town>" is like... the number one scum bus method. Third is one of greeting/house so the game is solved imo. I'm leaning greeting as the fake claim cause I don't think house benefits from going one for one and is the one that initiated it.

[Dwlee99]

House is mafia.

There's no fucking motivation in forcing elim like that as town and claim "I faked lol" on twilight.

If he was real town who believed to kill scum, he just remain silent and trying to bait shot. He tried to dodge our rage by this. Simple.

I don't consider him Mason or any other PR also, because i believe he is competent enough to push bad claim with NORMAL MEANS, not baiting bullet on his ass.


Titus blatant partner or really horrible.

That's all, i voting house next day (not in game day, real day, you have time to throw shit on me cuz i only checked for some minutes and sleeping). There's no words which will stop me, so don't bother.

You fucking not getting away. Yes, i reeks pathos sometimes.

Wow.

Did not see that coming.

Why not? Scum have to shoot in the townblock sometime.

I think it's enchant and Galron probably but we may just want to no elim.

Enchant is so obviously town here what are you talking about

[Dwlee99]

I don't look at mafia for like 12 hours and I'm a lurker sadge

[Dwlee99]

Enchant is so obviously town here what are you talking about

I hope you have an actual reason for thinking that.

1977 is superficial as hell and nothing more than a continuation of their game long scumread of me.

How did you go from this to saying that Enchant was for sure town for this post?

[Dwlee99]

Is a House and Titus team possible? If not then Galron is scum imo

[Dwlee99]

Is a House and Titus team possible? If not then Galron is scum imo

What's your stance on voting today?

Lim cause there's a conftown

Is a House and Titus team possible? If not then Galron is scum imo

Who would Galron's partner here?

You or house. I don't think Enchant is scum

[Dwlee99]

I mean that's fair, same thing here with my ADHD when I'm unmedicated

[Dwlee99]

Enchant do you think a titus+house team is possible?

[Dwlee99]

House ik you keep saying no, I want enchant's opinion.

[Dwlee99]

But like

with what probability

[Dwlee99]

I don't think it's Enchant

I don't think it's Mastina

House says it isn't Titus

But if house says it isn't Titus

Then he must be evil or wrong

Or I'm wrong on Enchant

[Dwlee99]

But galron/house makes no sense l

[Dwlee99]

HOW IS IT ENCHANT

[Dwlee99]

... Titus/Dwlee?

Titus could have easily voted me back when my wagon had Enchant & mastina on it, but Dwlee wasn't around to hammer.

The only way Titus is scum is if Dwlee is her partner.

When was this

[Dwlee99]

I don't think I ever understand Titus why are you asking me

[Dwlee99]

I will say that Titus not clearing the possibility of House/Galron off one post without elaborating is super refreshing compared to my experience trying to convince mathblade that the slot everyone in the game was saying is scum could be scum because scum are allowed to bus in ELO

[Dwlee99]

Enchant was the first vote on me today. She could have ridden her "you must be scum for fake guilty!" narrative along with mastina without raising any eyebrows at all, but unvoted me to prevent a quickhammer.

This is not unfakeable.

I still think enchant is town though

[Dwlee99]

You don't get to say if you're right about enchant I'm right about enchant

[Dwlee99]

I've been saying this forever

[Dwlee99]

Titus could be doing ye ol pockeroony

[Dwlee99]

Mastina is supposed to post a big wall on you I'm excited to see if I read it or not

[Dwlee99]

Wait wait wait

You were like

I can't be scum w Titus, cause we are being super friendly and townreading each other hard or whatever

But then you think I can be scum w Titus cause she has been calling me town?

[Dwlee99]

Is it 2am or does that not make any sense

[Dwlee99]

Dude Titus bussed me in 2016 what are you talking about

[Dwlee99]

You don't get to say if you're right about enchant I'm right about enchant

I've been saying this forever

You haven't even been around to say it forever.

I've been the one keeping Titus from eliminating Enchant the entire game.

My fourth post in the game calls Enchant town fight me

[Dwlee99]

Idk I don't know when I've played w Titus

[Dwlee99]

I modded a game she was town uhh

She was probably town in some other game

Oh she was town in dogs and cats on replace in

I don't think I've seen her scum recently

[Dwlee99]

It's scum indicative for mastina who is meticulous in her mech reasoning. We just finished a game where she had the whole scumteam in her mech spec based on her knowledge of normals. Luckily she didn't back herself and went with her play reads instead so she didn't catch scum!me.

Another piece of evidence towards scumstina is her read on me from the outset, and her reads on flea and Mega. Her PoE seems hamfisted and intentional in it's positioning as opposed to the elegant convincing posts that may be wrong but are usually logically correct.

100% disagree on mastina's mech being spot on. I think mastina skews balance towards town. I don’t agree with her reasoning half the time but I strongly feel this is town mastina and you're BoPing her.

Titus I know you've got that trial, but I'm interested in knowing whether you still think Cheeky was BoPing mastina here.

I think Cheeky was regardless of the accuracy. You're getting at if mastina could be scum. I'll reread mastina over the night phase.

VOTE: Scorpious

With the amount of votes, I doubt the entire scumteam is on Scorpious which means he can't be in elo.

Does this clear Titus to you

[Dwlee99]

Okay have fun

It's sleepy time

[Dwlee99]

<sees two pages of incorrect explanations of normal roles>
<walks away>

[Dwlee99]

Don't feel like checking myself and need to get prepared for office hours I'm holding but is there anything suggesting cheeky could have targeted zefiend?

[Dwlee99]

This is a mafia game

I need to look at deadline and figure out how much time we have

[Dwlee99]

I'm gonna give this a big think this weekend

[Dwlee99]

There's 2 minutes between Titus vote and your unvote and I was offline thinking

[Dwlee99]

I hate that you're making me put effort in at this moment cause I do not want to touch mafia right now but here goes

It isn't Titus + Enchant cause why unvote there makes no sense

Not House + Enchant for same reason probably

Could be Enchant + Galron hoping to see if they can pivot or do a vote the partner and hope someone else votes the townie to swap (see white flag meg voting koba)

I townread enchant though. I wonder if House/Galron could be SvS mainly because it doesn't feel like either of them care much and house is pretty insistent that he becomes conftown if Galron flips scum but neither of them feel like they care about this 1v1 rn and House did a bunch of hopping around and shit

Okay that's enough thinking

[Dwlee99]

Oh yea from my perspective that means scum voted Galron

[Dwlee99]

Titus is your solve Galron and one of House/Enchant?

[Dwlee99]

Good game. Thanks for modding!