Mini Theme 2255 | UPick a Normal | Endgame

[MegAzumarill]

VOTE: Greeting

Hands in the air!

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Wave em like you just don't care

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Hard claim compulsive self-targeting friendly neighbor.

I confirm my claim.

I actually cc this

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We should NOT claim any submitted preferences

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I submitted Mafia Informed Commuter Traitor (know a random tpr in game)

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It actually may be -town based on how roles are calculated so I'd suggest against it

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Considering town preference was on the same side of the lists that town power roles were pulled from it actually can out prs

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Design Process

Below are the steps I will take to produce a design.

UPick Submissions:

Players will submit their UPick submissions. This will be up to three Normal legal mafia and town power roles (so up to six roles in total), including any modifiers the player wants to include. A player may also submit a

Mafia Preference

or a

Town Preference

, and a

Vanilla Preference

if they would prefer to avoid a power role. Preferences are only that and may end up not being followed, but the role you receive will be a town power role or mafia power role from the ones you submitted, or the town vanilla or mafia goon roles presented below.

Faction Randomisation:

The player list will be randomised in such a way that all players with a Mafia preference are at the top and all players with a Town preference are at the bottom. All people with a vanilla preference will have that penciled in. The top 3 players will be penciled in as Mafia.

Role Randomisation:

If there is at least one vanilla player penciled in the Mafia, then the other Mafia will receive a power role. If there isn't then a random number of Mafia players will receive a power role based on a dice roll on this table (weighted towards more power roles:
1 (12.5%): 1 Mafia power role
2-3 (25%): 2 Mafia power roles
4-8 (62.5%): 3 Mafia power roles

Design sketch:

Based on the number of Mafia power roles calculated, Mafia players will be assigned roles from their UPick, starting at the player at the top of the random player list and Town players will be assigned roles starting from the bottom of the player list, skipping over Vanilla preferences where possible. Once I have a setup designed I will ask Gypyx to check it for balance. If he is happy the game will go ahead. If not I will make alterations based on his feedback and the available UPick roles until a design is confirmed.

UPick considerations:

My assumption is I will receive more Mafia preferences than available slots, making a Town preference very likely to be certain. I also do not expect to receive many Vanilla preferences so I expect to be able to fulfill all of those. However, any of these are preferences and not certain. I also expect roles with gating modifiers to be easier to fit into a balanced set up, so consider that when making your submission, especially if your main desire is to be most likely to get a power role of some sort, not a particular role if you do get one.

Setup

Day talk

: If you are a member of a shared private thread you may talk there at any time, including the day, as long as you are alive, unless your Role PM says otherwise.

Action Resolution and Multitasking

: Actions are resolved according to Natural Action Resolution. If you have multiple night actions available you may only perform one unless your Role PM says otherwise.

Win Conditions

: Win conditions for

Town

and

Mafia

are as follows:

Town

: You win when all threats to the town are dead, and at least 1 town aligned player is alive.

Mafia

: You win when all players not aligned with you are dead or nothing can prevent that from happening, and at least 1 mafia aligned player is alive.

Sample Roles

: Below are an example role for a

Vanilla Townie

and a

Mafia Goon

. At least 2 players are a Vanilla Townie. 1 or more players might be a Mafia Goon.

Vanilla Townie

You are a

Vanilla Townie

Each day you may talk in the game thread and vote on who to eliminate.

You win when all threats to the town are dead, and at least 1 town aligned player is alive.

The game thread is here, please confirm your role and alignment via pm.

Mafia Goon

You are a

Mafia Goon

You form a

Mafia

family along with REDACTED.

Each day you may talk in the game thread and vote on who to eliminate.

Each night a member of your family may perform a factional kill. A member of your family will attempt to visit a player, and assuming no interference that player will die.

You win when all players not aligned with you are dead or nothing can prevent that from happening, and at least 1 mafia aligned player is alive.

The game thread is here and your Mafia private thread is REDACTED, please confirm your role and alignment via pm or your private thread.

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Design sketch and Faction randomization parts

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Faction Randomisation:

The player list will be randomised in such a way that all players with a Mafia preference are at the top and

all players with a Town preference are at the bottom.

Design sketch:

Based on the number of Mafia power roles calculated, Mafia players will be assigned roles from their UPick, starting at the player at the top of the random player list and

Town players will be assigned roles starting from the bottom of the player list,

skipping over Vanilla preferences where possible.

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('-')

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Faction Randomisation:

The player list will be randomised in such a way that all players with a Mafia preference are at the top and

all players with a Town preference are at the bottom.

Design sketch:

Based on the number of Mafia power roles calculated, Mafia players will be assigned roles from their UPick, starting at the player at the top of the random player list and

Town players will be assigned roles starting from the bottom of the player list,

skipping over Vanilla preferences where possible.

Two bolded clauses

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Mine was pretty weak I thought

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CT what have you found town about me so far?

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Only if they didn't get their first pick I'd think

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Otherwise doesn't give any info so it's a mute point

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Otherwise doesn't give any info so it's a mute point

moot*

Cowt

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They were probably rejected for not being normal

Claim your scum roles that were rejected anyway

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Yeah none of those are normal

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VOTE: Mastina
The reasoning there is pretty abyssmal and I don't think it wasn't thought through so I'm leaning on malicious


Also no thought into actually why someone might not share their preference even though that reason was pretty clearly laid out in our first interaction.

(And whether that (players with town preference more likely to be prs) is true or not doesn't really matter, because it is clear that i think that which means outing my preference would imply whether I am pr or vanilla.)

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The case is mastina is usually pretty thourough and accurate with mechanical stuff, yet is using pretty blatant assumptions rather than mechanics to create a POE that I don't think is accurate. It has obviously been thought about at length but yet is so flimsy and is being presented at concrete. That is why I believe it's likely from scum as an attempt to easily put townies up for lim and look townie

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Mastina, Mastina, Mastina

Ez

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In seriousness this game has had a lot of talk about preferences which is not AI and actually thinking the game is solved at this point is laughable

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I actually agree with this statement.

Do you think Mastina made scum preference?

Don't know

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The case is mastina is usually pretty thourough and accurate with mechanical stuff, yet is using pretty blatant assumptions rather than mechanics to create a POE that I don't think is accurate. It has obviously been thought about at length but yet is so flimsy and is being presented at concrete. That is why I believe it's likely from scum as an attempt to easily put townies up for lim and look townie

Hi there, Betelgeuse.

Imagine answering a question

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VOTE: Mastina
The reasoning there is pretty abyssmal and I don't think it wasn't thought through so I'm leaning on malicious


Also no thought into actually why someone might not share their preference even though that reason was pretty clearly laid out in our first interaction.

(And whether that (players with town preference more likely to be prs) is true or not doesn't really matter, because it is clear that i think that which means outing my preference would imply whether I am pr or vanilla.)

I am reading them now…

I hate this post so much, how you can have the audacity to say the reasoning was not “thought through” is almost insulting. Agree or not. Not a good assessment.

I'm saying the opposite in fact
The fact it was thought through and still bad is why it's likely malicious

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Cheeky are you pocketing me

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VOTE: Scorpius

This slot is refusing to interact with cheeky case on them

Scorpius, who are your townreads

[MegAzumarill]

VOTE: Scorpius

This slot is refusing to interact with cheeky case on them

Scorpius, who are your townreads

This is scum blatantly jumping. I am going to locktown Scorpious based on this.

This should go without saying to rescind this if/when I flip town.

But I'll say it anyway

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Scorpius if a case is bad you should be able to pinpoint why

Not doing so only makes the case look better because it doesn't look like you actually have a rebuttal

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Hopefully I don't flip

I prefer breathing

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I mean it's not technically banned

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I would also like to be scumcased but I'm the leading wagon and haven't
'-'

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Mastina, Mastina, Mastina

Ez

In seriousness this game has had a lot of talk about preferences which is not AI and actually thinking the game is solved at this point is laughable

VOTE: MegAzumarill

I voted you off these posts both because you've failed to reconcile any points in favor of

mastina's

alignment snd I get your tone was too flippant to be sorting in gold faith.

Furthermore you instead focus on rebuking the validity thar any solve can be constructed here. That's much easier to sow doubt in a player's mind than trying to counteract the individual voices against you. It reads as caught scum to me. What's the alternative take?

This isn't even the entire reason behind my vote.

Alternative take is that mastina presented a trash case and presented as the holy grail so I called them out. Not necessarily AI but it is enough for me for d1. Dislike scorp more

As more the venom point, I don't see the point in aggressively pushing scorp when they obviously don't intend on responding to pressure.

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MegAzumarill (4):

Titus

, House,

mastina

, Taly

[E-3]

Galron (2):

Scorpious

,

CheekyTeeky

Yume (1): Galron
Enchant (1): Flea The Magician
CheekyTeeky (1): Yume
House (1):

Greeting

Scorpious (1): MegAzumarill

Not Voting (2): ɀefiend, Enchant

here's about where I'm at

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Enchant why do you oppose my wagon?

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Why do you think I don't?

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Why do you think I don't?

You just don't seem to care whether you live through the day or not.

This isn't a push. I'm just curious.

Do you think there's ever a world where I survive to day 4?
I don't have a lot of incentive to try and survive that long even. If I had more reason then maybe I would but I do think the information from my wagon will be useful.

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I'm still trying to solve but I don't feel the need to actively resist my wagon at this point.

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-_()_-
It's post 600 if you want my

deluxe

readslist
I plan to go over why later

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I am a

VT

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I am a

VT

Did you indicate a VT preference?

No preferences either way

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large number of prs to compensate for the large chance of many scum prs

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I've been thinking about doing this a long time ago, but I think it's time. They have been irking me from the very start of the game.

VOTE: Enchant

Here are some of

Enchant

's reads:

Enchant have you got any reads yet bruv?

Yes, i think Taly or Titus is good kill potentially. More dislike Titus though.

What if team is actually Titus+Taly+House lol.

Like hm.

I doing it for points so when game ends and it actually happened to be this team, i could say "HA I KNEW IT FROM START".

I am about Tyle+House+Titus btw, House still need to be tortured.

Like... why?!

Taly

has been posting quite a lot this game, but among a lot of vibe posting, he's made numerous contributions to the game. I find his reads rather insightful and I'm willing to give

Taly

a pass for them - at least for the time being. Even if these posts do turn out later to be easily manufacturable later on in the game, there's other players who are giving significantly less.

I had played with

Titus

before, in my first game on this site actually - Newbie 2078, and in my opinion, she's being pretty towny.

Now,

House

, is a different story. I also was voting

House

, but it was more of a joke I couldn't resist making. I haven't made up my mind when it comes to that slot at all. I can see their posts as being made by both town and scum, so the only conclusion it's that they're NAI. I didn't like their sheeping of

Titus

and buddying up to

Taly

, but if that is where you got the conclusion of all three being scum, then I simply think it's a really lazy take. It would be way too blatant for it to be true. In my history of mafia games no mafia has ever played it like that. Perhaps, I am misrepresenting your point and got to the wrong conclusion, but this is where I think you got it from, as your posts suggest no other possible explanation.

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Dwlee99 feeling self dirty after receiving PM, kinda sus

This never got a follow-up, but I'll assume that it was just a joke.

ANYONE UP TO MASSCLAIM D1 ONLY WINNING STRATEGY STRAT?

As an actual strategy? No. As a joke? Also no.

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Sometimes it's just

that

simple.

If someone's ideas sound just so wildly wrong then maybe they just don't see how wrong they sound for actual town because their POV is different?

And as for them defending

MegAzumarill

- I think that might be them anticipating a town flip of

MegAzumarill

and trying to use this to look cleaner themselves. I'm leaning towards this being the explanation for their behavior as

Meg

didn't really ping me hard as scum, and I would say that them reaching E-1 at an earlier point of the game made their elim look fairly likely.

And actually, here is another odd thing by

Enchant

themselves:

Actually predicting Meg are town.

Or well, wanting get killed on purpose as bus.

This is a UPick game. Are you implying that

MegAzumarill

picked a role that achieves their winning condition by getting voted out? Or that they're just trolling? Because the

MegAzumarill

I know does not do stuff like that.

I think you just didn't think at all while writing the second sentence, and didn't see how this would stand confronted with actual game info and meta. I'm willing to assume that this was meant to be just a filler.

VOTE: Enchant
Good wagon and I agree that I don't find their defense of me likely to be genuine.

Also

obviously I'm a Multitasking Vengeful Vengeful Vengeful Vengeful Vengeful Vengeful Vengeful Vengeful Vengeful Vengeful Vengeful Supersaint and I'm gonna kill the entire town

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Role Randomisation: If there is at least one vanilla player penciled in the Mafia, then the other Mafia will receive a power role. If there isn't then a random number of Mafia players will receive a power role based on a dice roll on this table (weighted towards more power roles:
1 (12.5%): 1 Mafia power role
2-3 (25%): 2 Mafia power roles
4-8 (62.5%): 3 Mafia power roles

I'ma leave this here

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gg all and well played scum