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First!

VOTE: MegAzumarill

Hands in the air!

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Let's kill people who love playing as mafia and hardtown those who love playing as town, SIMPLE.

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Right now I'm the one copying

Greeting

, I like their use of centering pictures lmao

pedit

I also love to quote someone, take their avatar, center it and post it as a response.



It's so shady for no reason!

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Oh, and since we're doing this, I submitted a

town preference

.

My preferred roles were: Town Cop, Town Tracker, Mafia Roleblocker.

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Darling we should claim exclusively mafia submitted roles but that's OK

Oh, I got confused since people were claiming all their preferences.

Anyway, I'm sceptical of

mastina

's idea as I have no idea how she's going to compile all this, taking into account the fact that scums will probably lie about what they submitted and come up with a master plan as to whom to vote out. But if she's so adamant that it will help us then I don't see much harm in trying.

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Also I hope noone claimed their mafia roles because mastina is on a big ol' fishing trip today.

Idk man if people roleclaimed it heavily skews scum on their part unless they submitted that role for both alignment and aren't giving the full story which they likely shouldn't in this case.

I was dumb and submitted 2/3 roles that could be either alignment which is saying too much already I guess. Good news is I got the 1/3.

Wait y'all didn't submit 6 roles?

I was told I can submit up to three, at least one being town and at least one being scum.

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Anyway, I'm sceptical of

mastina

's idea as I have no idea how she's going to compile all this

In my PT of course!

I'm sorry, I wasn't clear about what I meant.

I didn't mean technicalities, I meant the method itself. Some players submitted town preference, some submitted scum preference. Some townies might have submitted scum preference. What if scums lie about scum preference and those townies who submitted scum preference didn't lie and simply didn't get it? This is what I'm sceptical about.

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@

mastina

If Enchant was serious about submitting scum preference, then I'm pretty sure that if the mod gave everyone their stated preference?

What do you mean by that?

(Technically, they could lie and say 'no preference', but I've reason to believe that everyone who claimed 'No Preference' is actually town here, just off of who the names claiming no preference are. I don't think scum truthfully claimed no preference given Enchant, and I don't think scum lied about it being no preference given who the names are and basic psychology in mafia play in that mafia would be afraid to claim 'no preference' if they thought that claiming no preference would make them more likely to be seen as a scum candidate.)

This seems overly reliant on WIFOM, if I understand you correctly.

Greeting has no completed scumgames per their wiki. They have four towngames and zero scumgames. The preference for a towngame is probably thus true and accurate. So Greeting is town.

I definitely have a town preference in general, but what, at the time of making that post, made you think that the fact that I haven't drawn scum in any single game of MafiaScum makes me unlikely to want to try it?

Scorpious's wiki leaves it unclear, but very loosely imo indicates that town is slightly more likely.

How?

Ugh, I wanted to quote almost every single piece of information to try to get you to elaborate on that.

Let me just say that I captured an overall theme of making rather flimsy (in my opinion) assumptions and drawing conclusions from them which you then pick as your direction. It baffles me why you'd say something like what you said about myself and then treat this as a starting point. I am highly doubtful of whether this is a good way to hit scum at all.

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This is what I'm sceptical about.

Yes mastina's reasoning is rubbish hence why I think she's scum. Like it would be useful information if it was a given that everyone would tell the truth but that's obviously not the case in this game

life

mafia. The information would be more useful to scum as they already know that most, if not all of the town would be telling the truth and could try to reverse engineer the possible town picks/generate a believable fake claim since they'll also have more info about the setup based on what's not in the set up and what roles mafia have.

VOTE: Mastina
The reasoning there is pretty abyssmal and I don't think it wasn't thought through so I'm leaning on malicious


Also no thought into actually why someone might not share their preference even though that reason was pretty clearly laid out in our first interaction.

(And whether that (players with town preference more likely to be prs) is true or not doesn't really matter, because it is clear that i think that which means outing my preference would imply whether I am pr or vanilla.)

Just because it's

rubbish

deeply flawed doesn't mean that it's automatically scum indicative imo.

Maybe I am WIFOMing here, but if the true purpose of this was town PR fishing, would she have been so blatant about it?

And if this was just meant to get her towncred, why would she be doing this Day 1 and insisting so strongly on it.

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i like my food just how i like my men - spicy

I haven't yet found scum but I found a fellow sis!

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Anyway, I'm not at all sold either on

mastina

being scum for her list and I don't think her flawed reasoning is scum indicative tbf. And this seems to be the most significant thing going on. The other being, well, the leading wagon, which I'm also on.

What's the deal with

MegAzumarill

? Their activity has died down recently. My vote on them is an RVS vote and still kinda is tbf.

Is the case just the fact that they're scumreading

mastina

? Or is it an RVS which people have seemed to just jump on without reflecting? I'm actually baffled and confused on how did they find themselves at E-3 at this particular moment?

mastina

seems to believe it's due to her

findings

, so I'll just leave it at that.

@

Titus

, @

House

can you elaborate more?

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@

House

, can you answer 266?

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Also, I only just now realised that your character is based off Dr. House from the TV series. Somehow, Hugh Laurie in your avi combined with your username gave me nothing.

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No, I’m not staying on this until I get an answer.

UNVOTE: MegAzumarill

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@

House

, can you answer 266?

Perhaps, if you're not so vague.

I'm at work, I don't have time to chase down what that question is referring to.

Why are you voting

MegAzumarill

? Could you please elaborate on that?

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@

House

, can you answer 266?

Perhaps, if you're not so vague.

I'm at work, I don't have time to chase down what that question is referring to.

Why are you voting

MegAzumarill

? Could you please elaborate on that?

Titus wanted votes in Meg.

Titus is town.

I voted Meg.

Okay, well,

Titus

wanting more votes on

MegAzumarill

is not enough for me I'm afraid.

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@

Scorpious

, is your vote on

Galron

RVS and if not, then why is it there?

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Scorpious and zefiend, you guys are possibly metaing me after a long break. Any meta on or after September 2nd 2019 is bad. My whole personality shifted. I know neither of you appeared to reach conclusions, so I wanted to mention this before you did. Bad reads with good intent can royally screw reads as players are interconnected.

While re-reading the thread, this piqued my attention. Why would you need to pre-announce this when it hasn't so far been an issue?

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Can we just flip somebody since nobody is wanting to actually play right now?

Sure!

VOTE: House

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also which slot im talking about next is completely arbitrary and idk who until im typing that post so uh

you can give requests, cant make promises

I'd like to hear your thoughts on

Galron

and

House

.

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also which slot im talking about next is completely arbitrary and idk who until im typing that post so uh

you can give requests, cant make promises

I'd like to hear your thoughts on

Galron

and

House

.

Taly knows I'm town, so

Are you his proxy?

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also which slot im talking about next is completely arbitrary and idk who until im typing that post so uh

you can give requests, cant make promises

I'd like to hear your thoughts on

Galron

and

House

.

Taly knows I'm town, so

Are you his proxy?

We're practically twins.

Then I'd like to see the birth certificate.

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I just want to say that I DON'T like mastina slotting Titus (specifically, Titus - I haven't looked into Greeting or Taly yet, admittedly) into "locktown" for no apparent reason.

Any take on me locktowning Titus on page 1?

Yeah, it feels odd that not only you're locktowning but also sheeping her.

House

is interesting slot imo because on one hand, I do think town!

House

shits on the gamestate much like he is doing right now, even though he doesn't really provide much solution to change it. I also initially got townpings from him just bullshitting because he seems pretty unafraid of

Titus/mastina/I

which I don't think is something he'd play off so well as he says as scum. However, I do see a scum narrative with

House

where he sheeps

Titus

, buddies me, and doesn't really interact with

mastina

which are all pretty decent ways to handle us D1 if scum. I don't think his play is far from that here.

I'm a little unsure how

House

actually reads

Meg

. I don't think

Meg's

alignment has really any say on

House's

, currently. That's to say that S/S distancing is possible. But that's icky preflip associatives.

House

did comply with

mastina

so that's a protown thing under his belt. I agree with

House

being in the PoE but there's nothing I actively feel like pushing.

House

is above

zefiend

out of the slots I've mentioned so far at least.

Reason I asked is because I'm not sure if

House

's behavior in the game is alignment indicative or not. I guess I don't have a definitive answer, sigh.

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Scorpious and zefiend, you guys are possibly metaing me after a long break. Any meta on or after September 2nd 2019 is bad. My whole personality shifted. I know neither of you appeared to reach conclusions, so I wanted to mention this before you did. Bad reads with good intent can royally screw reads as players are interconnected.

While re-reading the thread, this piqued my attention. Why would you need to pre-announce this when it hasn't so far been an issue?

I'm a big believer in having facts right. An innocent but incorrect read can throw off everything. Being right on me as town for wrong reasons mean those wrong reasons can affect reads and how people treat me. How I react to people and how people react to me has changed since that date. I cannot go back before then.

Fair enough. I'm surprised at how great a role meta plays on this site so if we do take that into account your post is understandable.

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I'm not defending myself. I want to get scumcased.

I was about to do just that, but then you started longposting about everyone in the game and now I've no reason to scumcase you.

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Welcome,

Dwlee99

!

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MegAzumarill (4):

Titus

, House,

mastina

, Taly

[E-3]

Galron (2):

Scorpious

,

CheekyTeeky

Yume (1): Galron
Enchant (1): Flea The Magician
CheekyTeeky (1): Yume
House (1):

Greeting

Scorpious (1): MegAzumarill

Not Voting (2): ɀefiend, Enchant

here's about where I'm at

Why do you think

Scorpious

is scum?

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If MegAzumarill is town, then it still gives information on the gamestate.

I struggle to understand what kind of information would that be.

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What if team is actually Titus+Taly+House lol.

Like hm.

I doing it for points so when game ends and it actually happened to be this team, i could say "HA I KNEW IT FROM START".

In 7 years of Mafia I don't remember a time where the entire scumteam voteparked on a townie and then nothing happens to the game.

Agreed. Some of this resistance must come from scum. It's logically either scum bussing or wanting to set us up combined with the rest of town getting frustrated with how cohesive we are. I doubt scum are wanting to set us up given how there's not a real debate on why to TR Meg and no real counterwagon.

I'm not on the wagon, because I don't really see a convincing case for it. The first notable thing regarding

MegAzumarill

that happened throughout the game was them vs.

mastina

and then everyone just went for it with little explanation. Before I speak of the second notable thing regarding

MegAzumarill

- their vote on

Scorpious

, I'll wait for them to elaborate on it first.

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I've been thinking about doing this a long time ago, but I think it's time. They have been irking me from the very start of the game.

VOTE: Enchant

Here are some of

Enchant

's reads:

Enchant have you got any reads yet bruv?

Yes, i think Taly or Titus is good kill potentially. More dislike Titus though.

What if team is actually Titus+Taly+House lol.

Like hm.

I doing it for points so when game ends and it actually happened to be this team, i could say "HA I KNEW IT FROM START".

I am about Tyle+House+Titus btw, House still need to be tortured.

Like... why?!

Taly

has been posting quite a lot this game, but among a lot of vibe posting, he's made numerous contributions to the game. I find his reads rather insightful and I'm willing to give

Taly

a pass for them - at least for the time being. Even if these posts do turn out later to be easily manufacturable later on in the game, there's other players who are giving significantly less.

I had played with

Titus

before, in my first game on this site actually - Newbie 2078, and in my opinion, she's being pretty towny.

Now,

House

, is a different story. I also was voting

House

, but it was more of a joke I couldn't resist making. I haven't made up my mind when it comes to that slot at all. I can see their posts as being made by both town and scum, so the only conclusion it's that they're NAI. I didn't like their sheeping of

Titus

and buddying up to

Taly

, but if that is where you got the conclusion of all three being scum, then I simply think it's a really lazy take. It would be way too blatant for it to be true. In my history of mafia games no mafia has ever played it like that. Perhaps, I am misrepresenting your point and got to the wrong conclusion, but this is where I think you got it from, as your posts suggest no other possible explanation.

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Dwlee99 feeling self dirty after receiving PM, kinda sus

This never got a follow-up, but I'll assume that it was just a joke.

ANYONE UP TO MASSCLAIM D1 ONLY WINNING STRATEGY STRAT?

As an actual strategy? No. As a joke? Also no.

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Sometimes it's just

that

simple.

If someone's ideas sound just so wildly wrong then maybe they just don't see how wrong they sound for actual town because their POV is different?

And as for them defending

MegAzumarill

- I think that might be them anticipating a town flip of

MegAzumarill

and trying to use this to look cleaner themselves. I'm leaning towards this being the explanation for their behavior as

Meg

didn't really ping me hard as scum, and I would say that them reaching E-1 at an earlier point of the game made their elim look fairly likely.

And actually, here is another odd thing by

Enchant

themselves:

Actually predicting Meg are town.

Or well, wanting get killed on purpose as bus.

This is a UPick game. Are you implying that

MegAzumarill

picked a role that achieves their winning condition by getting voted out? Or that they're just trolling? Because the

MegAzumarill

I know does not do stuff like that.

I think you just didn't think at all while writing the second sentence, and didn't see how this would stand confronted with actual game info and meta. I'm willing to assume that this was meant to be just a filler.

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I am baffled as to why y’all are so sure about

MegAzumarill

flipping red. But I guess since the hammer already happened, we’ll just wait and see.

Sorry about the COVID,

Titus

. I hope you’re vaccinated.

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Okay i investigated, there's exactly two ways.
1. Cheeky did nothing. I find it's impossible. (well not that kind of Impossible where is Total Impossible i just don't believe in that)
2. Roleblocked.

So mafia have roleblocker, mafia used roleblocker WITH NK, which is fucking strange.


So my bet on Informed+Roleblocker mafia PRs.

Yes, I also think this must have been roleblock+NK.

Hider only can die when visiting someone who dies from NK.

Or... if they do not use their role. But it seems rather unlikely.

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MegAzumarill (7): Titus, mastina, Taly, Galron, House, Scorpious, Enchant [E-0]
Enchant (2):

Greeting

,

MegAzumarill

Taly (1): Flea The Magician
ɀefiend (1):

CheekyTeeky

Scorpious (1): Dwlee99

Not Voting (1): ɀefiend

There

must

have been scums on the

MegAzumarill

wagon. Do we know for sure how many are there?

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Design Process

Faction Randomisation:

The player list will be randomised in such a way that all players with a Mafia preference are at the top and all players with a Town preference are at the bottom. All people with a vanilla preference will have that penciled in. The top 3 players will be penciled in as Mafia.

Do I understand correctly that this means that there is not more than 3 mafia in this game?

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Yes.

Thanks.

So, back to that:

MegAzumarill (7): Titus, mastina, Taly, Galron, House, Scorpious, Enchant [E-0]
Enchant (2):

Greeting

,

MegAzumarill

Taly (1): Flea The Magician
ɀefiend (1):

CheekyTeeky

Scorpious (1): Dwlee99

Not Voting (1): ɀefiend

There

must

have been scums on the

MegAzumarill

wagon.

While sometimes in Newbie games it happens that both scums land on one wagon, I think it's rather unlikely for

three

scums to land on one wagon on Day 1 on top of that.

If that assumption is correct, there's 1-2 scums in this group of players (

Titus

,

mastina

,

Taly

,

Galron

,

House

,

Scorpious

,

Enchant

) and 1-2 scums in this group of players (

Flea The Magician

,

Dwlee99

,

ɀefiend

).

The most valuable conclusion is that there shouldn't be more than two scums amongst

Flea The Magician

,

Dwlee99

,

ɀefiend

and there's probably at least one.

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Greeting

, which group do you think contains 2 scum?

My mind is telling me this: (

Flea The Magician

,

Dwlee99

,

ɀefiend

), my gut is telling me this: (

Titus

,

mastina

,

Taly

,

Galron

,

House

,

Scorpious

,

Enchant

). So... I don't know. lol.

However, even if we assume that my gut and not my mind is correct, we have a 1/3rd chance of hitting scum in this group (

Flea The Magician

,

Dwlee99

,

ɀefiend

) and 2/7th of hitting scum in this group (

Titus

,

mastina

,

Taly

,

Galron

,

House

,

Scorpious

,

Enchant

). 1/3 is 33.3% and 2/7 is 28.6%. The first one is higher.

I do have some townreads for the bigger group that could potentially narrow down the pool, but I'm not very confident about them. The assumption itself about the wagons isn't very firm, so if we add more shaky assumptions, the whole reasoning is more likely to be fallacious.

I do not, however, have any townread for players in this group (

Flea The Magician

,

Dwlee99

,

ɀefiend

).

Which is why I think that my focus will lie with those three players on Day Two.

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I also don't remember

Galron's

reads from D1 so an eyebrow is raised.

I am extra cautious about

Galron

, because their open and relaxed attitude made me townread them (and they were scum) in Open 838. So I'm putting evaluating him on hold.

I didn't admit that, but I was pocketed.

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Greeting

, which group do you think contains 2 scum?

My mind is telling me this: (

Flea The Magician

,

Dwlee99

,

ɀefiend

), my gut is telling me this: (

Titus

,

mastina

,

Taly

,

Galron

,

House

,

Scorpious

,

Enchant

). So... I don't know. lol.

However, even if we assume that my gut and not my mind is correct, we have a 1/3rd chance of hitting scum in this group (

Flea The Magician

,

Dwlee99

,

ɀefiend

) and 2/7th of hitting scum in this group (

Titus

,

mastina

,

Taly

,

Galron

,

House

,

Scorpious

,

Enchant

). 1/3 is 33.3% and 2/7 is 28.6%. The first one is higher.

I do have some townreads for the bigger group that could potentially narrow down the pool, but I'm not very confident about them. The assumption itself about the wagons isn't very firm, so if we add more shaky assumptions, the whole reasoning is more likely to be fallacious.

I do not, however, have any townread for players in this group (

Flea The Magician

,

Dwlee99

,

ɀefiend

).

Which is why I think that my focus will lie with those three players on Day Two.

Good to see that we are very much on the same page. Do you have questions for me?

Yes. Whom do you think is be most likely to be scum from this pool (

Flea The Magician

,

Dwlee99

,

ɀefiend

) and why?

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I also don't remember

Galron's

reads from D1 so an eyebrow is raised.

I am extra cautious about

Galron

, because their open and relaxed attitude made me townread them (and they were scum) in Open 838. So I'm putting evaluating him on hold.

I didn't admit that, but I was pocketed.

Who else in the larger pool worries you?

mastina

,

Enchant

and

Galron

are three players from that pool I have very mixed feelings about. The player I feel the safest about is probably

Titus

, yourself coming next in line and

House

and

Scorpious

are a tier up from being in the front line of my suspicions.

Greeting

, which group do you think contains 2 scum?

My mind is telling me this: (

Flea The Magician

,

Dwlee99

,

ɀefiend

), my gut is telling me this: (

Titus

,

mastina

,

Taly

,

Galron

,

House

,

Scorpious

,

Enchant

). So... I don't know. lol.

However, even if we assume that my gut and not my mind is correct, we have a 1/3rd chance of hitting scum in this group (

Flea The Magician

,

Dwlee99

,

ɀefiend

) and 2/7th of hitting scum in this group (

Titus

,

mastina

,

Taly

,

Galron

,

House

,

Scorpious

,

Enchant

). 1/3 is 33.3% and 2/7 is 28.6%. The first one is higher.

I do have some townreads for the bigger group that could potentially narrow down the pool, but I'm not very confident about them. The assumption itself about the wagons isn't very firm, so if we add more shaky assumptions, the whole reasoning is more likely to be fallacious.

I do not, however, have any townread for players in this group (

Flea The Magician

,

Dwlee99

,

ɀefiend

).

Which is why I think that my focus will lie with those three players on Day Two.

Good to see that we are very much on the same page. Do you have questions for me?

Yes. Whom do you think is be most likely to be scum from this pool (

Flea The Magician

,

Dwlee99

,

ɀefiend

) and why?

Flea/Dwlee

come either their/faer own problems. Mind hasn't changed on

Dwlee

.

Flea

is very fluffy looking.

The concerning thing is that I doubt it's THIS easy as a scumteam. Seeing if

zefiend

push helps my thinking here.

I don't think

Flea The Magician

,

Dwlee99

,

ɀefiend

is the scumteam at all. I think at least one of them is town. I'll look back at your reads on them.

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Dwlee99

(+Yume)

Yume said basically nothing relevant other than stating preferences, which, contrary to

mastina

, I believe is NAI. (105)

Notably, they also voted

CheekyTeeky

who is conftown. (209) I am not entirely sure if this was an informed vote or not.

As for

Dwlee99

, I will skip posts which don't contain game-relevant info to me. I don't think there's anything wrong with making these, and I would be a hypocrite who's criticising someone for vibe posting when I've done it myself. The exception being if the vibe posting actually exceeds the content, however I wouldn't say it does in this case.

I do not share their town read of

ɀefiend

in 549. It is my understanding (which will not be substantiated further because of the rule not allowing me to speak of ongoing games) that

ɀefiend

is a player who posts rather infrequently. Indeed, they are after a hiatus, but I personally questioning game mechanics as NAI and something that scums could easily emulate.

I can understand, somewhat, the

Taly

read, plus

CheekyTeeky

was town.

I also do not think

Scorpious

was AtE in this game at all. (652) I have played with

Scorpious

in the, now finished, Open 838, and I think their posting style matches that game. Then again, I have just one experience of playing with

Scorpious

and

Dwlee99

apparently has more. Maybe, if some examples were provided, I would reconsider, but I'm pretty invested in my current train of thought and tbf for now feel like giving

Scorpious

the benefit of the doubt for the time being.

There is an inconsistency between

Dwlee99

expressing doubts of

MegAzumarill

being accidentally scumread (703), but also claiming they are fine with their elimination (702 and later 844).

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ɀefiend

ɀefiend

's main focus so far seemed to be

mastina

, which is not a bad choice at all as in my opinion that slot has some scum potential.

I believe that his view of

mastina

expressed in 164 aligns with the one I had Day One, so there is nothing for me to suspect here. In 257,

ɀefiend

claims that he likes the thought process as genuine. I think I would be inclined to agree once again with that.

Him refusing to townread

Titus

easily is a sign of caution, which I think is more likely a sign of towny reasoning than scum (391). I feel like scum wouldn't come for

Titus

, whom quite a few players, including myself are townreading, when there exist much easier targets to miseliminate from a scum point of view.

However, he seems to be townreading

Dwlee99

in 553. I completely disagree with this take and I'm baffled as to why

Dwlee99

's entrance is so townish and

Titus

's performance could be an old dog trick. Sounds to me like both are experienced players

ɀefiend

has history with and I don't see why

Dwlee99

wouldn't be capable of old dog tricks.

The six posts don't give out a lot, but it's still more than I thought.

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Scorpius was AtEing this game, I'll find examples later.

I wasn't fine with Meg's elimination in 702. I was in 844 cause I didn't like the Enchant vote

My mistake. The post I was referring to was actually 652. The second one is tagged correctly.

I'm like fine with Meg wagon but I'm really not sure how people read them cause they always are scummy.

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Flea The Magician

wallpost coming soon. Fae created significantly more game relevant content than these two and so I'll need more time for this and a break too.

[Greeting]

Flea The Magician

Fae threw two votes early in the game (14, 17). It raises an eyebrow, but it's not uncommon amongst townies in RVS, so I wouldn't raise that eyebrow too high.

Their read of

mastina

resulted in a vote, while, in contrast,

ɀefiend

withdrew. I also didn't like the way that wagon formed so fast. The main drives of the wagon were, if I remember correctly,

MegAzumarill

who is conftown.

Then again, I do think it was an easy vote to make, as

Taly

pointed out in 186.

I don't see how he fact that

mastina

made a big effort in doing what she did is a scum tell like at all, in fact I would say it's a townlean (referring to 204).

But

the rest of the post seems to be questioning the method

mastina

used to great lengths and I'd say that's a town point for fae.

While

MegAzumarill

ultimately withdrew from the wagon, fae stayed on it for a bit longer. Not sure if this alignment indicative. If made as town, shows strength of conviction. If scum, shows clutching to the last good anchor point they could find.

As for the

Enchant

read, I partly agree that this slot has scum potential and so I don't think I need to expand on this any further.

Afterwards, they seem to have... deflated a bit, but I would treat that as NAI.

[Greeting]

Of all those three, I'm most comfortable voting

Dwlee99

, I can pressure

ɀefiend

and I think I want to leave

Flea The Magician

for the time being.

I can buy

Flea The Magician

being town, getting very passionate and making a point fae strongly believe in and then having less motivation to carry on.

Flea The Magician

is the one out of these three that has the highest potential of being town in my opinion.

ɀefiend

is more null, there's not nearly enough yellow flags here.

Dwlee99

in my opinion has the most potential of being scum in this group.

VOTE: Dwlee99

[Greeting]

Before I'd say Greeting is town for just posting big text walls I don't want to read but we trying to do some bigger brain.

Low effort. Boo!

[Greeting]

Did an ISO on ɀefiend, I'm good with this ...

VOTE: ɀefiend

Why?

[Greeting]

Did an ISO on ɀefiend, I'm good with this ...

VOTE: ɀefiend

Why?

Keep reading.

[Greeting]

{Galron, Enchant, Flea the Magician, Dwlee, zefiend} is the remainder.

This is actually super intriguing to me, because my focus pool (including both

MegAzumarill

wagon and the rest) looks almost exactly the same, except mine also includes yourself. And yet you seem to have reached this conclusion on your own when we all kinda brushed off your reasoning.

Or you're scum and I'm being grossly wrong.

Right now I'm choosing to believe that I'm not.

[Greeting]

I learnt how to make these PowerPoint presentations with music into video clips back in IT class in middle school. Seeing these makes me feel like it's 2010 again.

[Greeting]

Damn, how am I always in danger of getting prodded? Feel kinda bad, since there's so many cool players in this one.

I have a solution. Post more and more often. Hope it helps!

[Greeting]

Covid tests negative.

This calls for a celebration!

[Greeting]

{Galron, Enchant, Flea the Magician, Dwlee, zefiend} is the remainder.

This is actually super intriguing to me, because my focus pool (including both

MegAzumarill

wagon and the rest) looks almost exactly the same, except mine also includes yourself. And yet you seem to have reached this conclusion on your own when we all kinda brushed off your reasoning.

Or you're scum and I'm being grossly wrong.

Right now I'm choosing to believe that I'm not.

I mean, let's look at this seriously.

mastina

is obviously invested in her own reasoning.

I am invested in my own reasoning.

We both reached similar conclusions.

I did not compile a single elim pool. I did make one and posted it directly, the second one was presented in my response to

Taly

in 938. I didn't feel like it was very exposed.

mastina

got there in her own way and put it out there in full.

That's a town sign for me.

[Greeting]

Null is always poe LOL

Bad take. Boo!

[Greeting]

You people are weird. Dwlee's town.

If

Dwlee99

is town then who is scum,

ɀefiend

or

Flea The Magician

?

If neither of these two, then do you think all scums were on the

MegAzumarill

wagon?

[Greeting]

PSA reminder that

Dwlee

is they/them and

Fae

is fae/faer. Thank you

Michael Jackson was definitely he/he.

[Greeting]

PSA reminder that

Dwlee

is they/them and

Fae

is fae/faer. Thank you

Michael Jackson was definitely he/he.

Lmao if

Greeting

is scum then gg townloss because I can never bring myself to vote him

Oh look, I'll have something to put into my signature when the game's over!

[Greeting]

Titus looks obsessed with Tutus

Someone please photoshop a tutu on

Titus

. I would do this myself if only I knew how to edit pictures.

[Greeting]

Or we can do that:



But that's not nearly as funny.

[Greeting]

What's the vote count?

[Greeting]

What's the vote count?

I was trying to wait for the next page top but...

That was faster than I expected, thank you!

[Greeting]

Vote count is meh. I'm fine staying where I am.

[Greeting]

Scorpious

gets annoyed quite easily. He did that too in Open 838, a game where he was town.

[Greeting]

To be fair, this argument is boring and annoying. I stopped following it a long time ago.

[Greeting]

Why are we still setup speaking

Titua

help me fix this game

Titus

please talk to me about

House

I cannot townbin that man with confidence.

I need a sounding board because I think it's very likely a playstyle clash.

I have tons of reason to believe

House

is town but I don't understand their mentality to this game if they are.

When he says things like

""don't expect me to be useful"

it signals to me that he doesn't have to be to reach his wincon.

And he's 1v1'd a lot with players that are much likelier to be mislimmed than him so what does he have to gain from filling the thread with derision?

Like, I don't know. I'm searching for reasons to trust a townread and I'm coming up with nothing.

And now

House

is the next read I gotta solve correctly to press forward.

I'm not very sold on

House

being town at all. He's memeposting

a lot

, picking fights unnecessarily and the way he threw some of his votes seemed to me to be at least random.

But, there's slots where hard data clearly shows a pattern, such as the final vote count of Day One. Which is why I'm avoiding of speaking on

House

, but also

Enchant

(who was my final vote Day One) for instance. Maybe they are scum. But I'm unable to tell with high confidence right now.

If I may, I'd like my thoughts to be focused on a bit more. Y'all don't have to agree with them, you can think they're shit, fine. But I would really appreciate any feedback which leads to any decisions rather than this just being shelved. Because the way the game has been going for the last 10 pages or so is pretty counterproductive.

[Greeting]

I'd like my thoughts to be focused on a bit more. Y'all don't have to agree with them, you can think they're shit, fine.

Whew. At least I have permission.

So now being considerate of opinions of others and open to constructive feedback is considered pretentious.

Aren't you ever tired of fighting others just for the sake of it?

[Greeting]

[Greeting]

Greeting

, refresh me on your

Galron

take.

I'm overly cautious about reading that slot because I townread him when he was scum before.

[Greeting]

I'll start reading deeply into

Galron

only when there's no alternative. For now it's null. He hasn't done anything that worries me.

{Titus/mastina/Greeting/Taly}
{Scorpious/Galron/House/Enchant}
{Flea/zefiend/Dwlee}

I think 2 scum in lowest and 1 in mid tier is likeliest

Then why are you going after the mid tier and not the low tier?

[Greeting]

I will be in V/LA until Sunday. I support everything I had said before with regard to my elimination pool. I should return before EoD.

[Greeting]

Of course, shit went down when I was in V/LA after days of nothing notable happening.

If

Titus

,

Taly

and

mastina

form such a firm townbloc how come we haven't managed to hit scum yet? Starting to doubt my earlier hunches.

ɀefiend

, whom did you target last Night?

[Greeting]

I jailed Scorpious. Isn't there a discrepancy between what Scorpious claimed to submit and what he claimed?

Alright then.

VOTE: Scorpious

I do not see a better elimination Day Three.

[Greeting]

NK didn't happen.

Which means that there either is a Doctor in the game who managed to save someone or the Jailkeeper successfully prevented the NK.

ɀefiend

claimed Jailkeeper and targeted

Scorpious

.

What's keeping everyone from voting

Scorpious

?

[Greeting]

All I know is I've got to do something different.

So do I. But I feel like I'm taking to a wall here.

[Greeting]

I just realised. We have 10 players left, with a miselim Day 3 and a successful NK Night 3, we are down to 8 players Day 4. Miselimination Day 4 leads to 7 players Night 4 and a successful NK 6 players Day 5, of whom half will be scum.

So, if we miseliminate again, and the town Power Roles fail, next Day will be ELo.

Can someone please confirm if that is correct?

[Greeting]

Thank you,

Taly

. It's 1:30 am and my brain only now started working.

Now, do we know how many town Power Roles we have?

[Greeting]

I'll get back to you in a second,

Titus

.

We can't determine nor accurately verify the number of PRs

We know that we had at least one with

CheekyTeeky

dead. And we know that there is a 62.5% of mafia having 3 power roles. We have two town PR claims,

ɀefiend

and

Scorpious

. Neither has been counterclaimed. Is there a way to figure out if town has more than 3 power roles given a balanced setup?

I need someone who is more experienced in mafia setups to help me with this. It's really important.

[Greeting]

*62.5% chance EBWOP

[Greeting]

Are you of the opinion that scum no killed to keep the miseliminations going or that scum are capitalizing on a Scorpious kill failing?

An off the wall kill isn't completely unheard of in a spot like this but unlikely.

I wanted to establish how many power roles town has to figure out whether both

ɀefiend

's

Scorpious

' claims can be true.

Before today, I believed

ɀefiend

's claim of Jailkeeper to be likely true and was in the mindset that they successfully jailed

Scorpious

.

But today morning Newbie 2086 ended and so has my gag order on speaking about it. That was a game I played with

ɀefiend

. I was town and

ɀefiend

was the last scum, successfully voted out in ELo. When I glanced at the Mafia chat of that game, it turned out that he is fully capable of misleading town over WIFOM.

ɀefiend

did in fact engage in something which was explicitly meant to confuse town by killing off someone who was almost a day miselim Day 2 (that is, me). I believed it to not make sense with

ɀefiend

-scum in the Dead Thread. I was wrong.

So, as of now, I believe both scenarios to be equally likely, because scum-

ɀefiend

would definitely be capable of doing a no kill and later saying they jailkept someone.

I also haven't forgotten at all about my elim pool from Day 2 and

ɀefiend

was in that group.

[Greeting]

I am also, rather frustrated, because I feel like it is possible to make a good choice of a player to vote out today with a reasonable chance of hitting scum, but the facts in the game seem to be spread out all over and a logical conclusion keeps eluding me even though I desperately keep trying to reach it.

[Greeting]

Is there a way to figure out if town has more than 3 power roles given a balanced setup?

I need someone who is more experienced in mafia setups to help me with this. It's really important.

I'm a NRG member, I can give the rundown on NRG balance fairly well.

General balance in games is 3-4 town PRs of moderate-strong (emphasis

moderate

) strength, versus all goons (or one, fairly weak, scum role).

The more/stronger roles you add to one side, the more you need to compensate on the other side.

One strong scum PR means you need 4 strong town PRs or 5 moderately strong town PRs.

Two (moderate) scum PRs means you need 4-6 town PRs. 4 if really strong, 6 if fairly weak.

Two strong scum PRs means you need 5-6 town PRs, 5 if fairly strong, 6 if fairly weak.

Three scum PRs means you need 5-6 town PRs. You can't really have three strong scum PRs because that'd push the town's PRs into too absurdly strong/numerous, so three scum PRs would be comparatively weak.

Now, granted.

One weak scum PR means you need only 3-4 moderate to strong (but emphasis strong in this case) town PRs.
Two weak scum PRs means you need only 4-5 town PRs of moderate strength.

And these are just general guidelines. The specifics vary widely, depending on the setup.

But it gives you a decent starting point.

I'll be able to give you a damn good idea come massclaim, assuming I survive to see tomorrow. (Again, we shouldn't massclaim today, we should tomorrow, so not a guarantee I live sadly. But if I do? I can break the game from the claims.)

I usually don't use

straight people

normie memes, but this one seems to fit too well not to be used.

[Greeting]

There is a 62.5% likelihood of there being three mafia power roles. Let's assume that this game does have three mafia power roles.

So, most likely, we have three, up to four, town power roles. It's unlikely there's less than three or more than four.

CheekyTeeky

had a town power role. That means that there's most likely two, up to three town power roles left in the game.

So far we have two claims: from

ɀefiend

- Jailkeeper and from

Scorpious

- 1-shot Neapolitan.

mastina

, do you think that it's likely for more than one town investigative role to exist in this game?

[Greeting]

greeting

are we the same person from different timelines

Well... we do have too much in common to not consider this perspective!

Note that I've bolded player names completely independently of you. I did that in a game where I played with your non-player-name-bolding alt (Open 838), but also other games before that game and had absolutely no knowledge that you did that whatsoever. And that only seems to open the list of similarities.

[Greeting]

And good morning from me. Should I not survive the night, please don’t go after these players:

Enchant

,

Galron

,

mastina

. I’d like to think

Taly

is town, but I am no longer sure about that. If

Taly

is scum, so is probably

Titus

.

[Greeting]

The order in which I named these three players (the ones I don’t want town to focus on) is relevant. Fingers crossed for

Scorpious

flipping red.

[Greeting]

Galron

,

Enchant

- I am asking you to claim today.

[Greeting]

Galron

,

Enchant

- I am asking you to claim today.

ARe you plan to chop me

No. If you believe that I'm town then please claim.

[Greeting]

Galron

,

Enchant

- I am asking you to claim today.

ARe you plan to chop me

No. If you believe that I'm town then please claim.

Do you have good reason to force me to claim?

It's kinda only question i need to be answered.

If you say Yes, i will claim instantly.

If your reason is bad, i will be pissed.

I thought that went without question, but yes, I do have a good reason to ask both of you to claim now.

I cannot force you to claim. I am only kindly asking you to claim, because I do believe that it will bring town an advantage. Same goes for

Galron

.

[Greeting]

I am Cult Leader.


Jke.

Vanilla Townie.
My preference are Vanilla and Town (Yes i was screwing with you and tried to get something from it, but i don't think it really mattered).

My town picks are:
Loyal 99-Shot Vig, Innocent Child, 69-Night Cop
My mafia picks are:
1-Shot Strongman, Informed, Macho


I wanted to look how loyal vig blast childs, but only when game going i realised only i could get mine picks, so i basically wasted it.

Thank you. Now I will wait for

Galron

's response.

[Greeting]

That was quick. Thank you both for doing this.

I am a

Town Tracker

.

I tracked

Enchant

Night 1, the result was that

Enchant

visited no one.
I tracked

Galron

Night 2, the result was that

Galron

visited no one.

Therefore, I confirm both

Enchant

's and

Galron

's claims as very likely being true. I clarified with Mizzytastic that there is a chance either of them is a Mafia Goon, which does not make this 100% certain, but I think that anything above 90% is good enough.

I tracked

ɀefiend

Night 3, there was no result, which I assume was because of this (bolded and size 150):

ɀefiend has died. He was a...

Town Ascetic Jailkeeper

ɀefiend

You are a

Town Ascetic Jailkeeper

Each day you may talk in the game thread and vote on who to eliminate.

Each night you may attempt to visit a player to lock them in jail. All actions they take will be blocked and all attempts to kill that player will fail.

Actions targeting you at night other than killing actions will fail.

You win when all threats to the town are dead, and at least 1 town aligned player is alive.

The game thread is here, please confirm your role and alignment via pm.

Still, this is good, because we have three near-confirmed townies who have been in varying degrees of suspicion now.

[Greeting]

Given the high probability that

Enchant

and

Galron

's claims are true, the remaining two scums are hiding amongst these players: (

mastina

,

Dwlee99

,

Taly

,

Titus

,

House

).

And good thing is, we have two more chances at hitting scum given the successful elimination of

Scorpious

. While the win is not certain, it significantly narrows down the pool of eliminations.

[Greeting]

Given the high probability that

Enchant

and

Galron

's claims are true, the remaining two scums are hiding amongst these players: (

mastina

,

Dwlee99

,

Taly

,

Titus

,

House

).

And good thing is, we have two more chances at hitting scum given the successful elimination of

Scorpious

. While the win is not certain, it significantly narrows down the pool of eliminations.

I missed point of claim...

I knew neither of you targeted anyone. I was wondering if you'd lie about having power roles or not. Now we not only have my claim that you targeted no one, but also your, most likely, truthful answer that you're a Vanilla Townie, an answer I expected.

I wouldn't have done it if I knew you targeted someone who didn't die.

[Greeting]

Given the high probability that

Enchant

and

Galron

's claims are true, the remaining two scums are hiding amongst these players: (

mastina

,

Dwlee99

,

Taly

,

Titus

,

House

).

And good thing is, we have two more chances at hitting scum given the successful elimination of

Scorpious

. While the win is not certain, it significantly narrows down the pool of eliminations.

Cool.

VOTE: greeting

Not buying you keeping me in the lim pool after the strongarming I did on Scorpious yesterday when I could have blended in with the sheep unvoting him after his shit claim.

Honestly, I think your presence in this game has been anything but useful for town if you're town. Any points you made or you think you made are lost amongst hundreds of posts containing game-unrelated content and completely unnecessary, disruptive rows.

If you're scum, then you're actually doing a decent job, because I cannot figure out if your behavior is AI or not.

[Greeting]

It's not a bad question, greeting. Why choose enchant and me

My first shortlist contained

MegAzumarill

and

Enchant

.

MegAzumarill

was miselimmed. I decided to go with

Enchant

whom I thought was most likely to be scum at that particular moment. I quietly backed away from that Day 2, knowing they targeted no one, in order to not reveal that I have a power role too early.

As for why you, I thought it would look weird and too blatant that I have a town PR if I went after x and then dropped that lead after finding out they were clean (or in case of the Tracker role, vanilla - pointing to them most likely being a Vanilla Townie). I wanted to stay hidden for as long as possible to gather as much information as possible to reveal before I eventually die. So I decided to take the route of narrowing a potential suspect pool by checking the null-ish (you) or even more slightly scumread players (

Enchant

), while pursuing other suspects in public.

Now more important question.

Why the fuck you track JAILKEEPER WHO STOPPED KILL ON FLIPPED MAF.

There existed a possible scenario in which both

ɀefiend

and

Scorpious

were scum and the mafia simply didn't kill anyone. I wanted to check that because I wasn't particularly trustful of

ɀefiend

's intentions after Newbie 2086. But it's irrelevant now, because he's dead.

[Greeting]

But it's irrelevant now, because he's dead.

And you knew he was dead when you called him "nearly confirmed town", because you quoted his flip

in the same post.

Lol faked dumbtell.

I wasn't referring to

ɀefiend

when I said that we have three nearly confirmed townies, but the two remaining players confirmed as VTs and myself.

[Greeting]

So I decided to take the route of narrowing a potential suspect pool by checking the null-ish (you) or even more slightly scumread players (Enchant), while pursuing other suspects in public.

Bullshit.

You didn't track anyone, at least as town you didn't.

And you knew not to try to claim any actions on me even though I'm a prime investigative target ESPECIALLY for a Tracker because the risk was too great.

I imagine it must feel really bad when things don't go the way you think they should. The problem is, I got that role PM and not you, and so I got to decide whom I target each Night. And I didn't think you were a prime target for investigation neither during Day 1 nor Day 2. Day 3 turned my attention heavily towards

ɀefiend

and

Scorpious

as bigger priorities than whatever mess you were busy creating at the moment.

[Greeting]

I honestly don't know what to say to this absolutely horrible and mechanically wrong idea of eliminating me at this point.

At least if we lose it won't be my fault.

[Greeting]

Hard claim Combined Watcher/Voyeur

Submitted because I wanted to see who visited other players & what action they took on that player.

N2 Target was Galron. Nobody visited him that night. I'll hold my other actions until they're necessary to reveal. Greeting will confirm me as town, for those that didn't figure it out yesterday.

That is not true.

VOTE: House

[Greeting]

I checked twice and yes, I did target

Galron

Night 2. Which means that

House

's claim is false.

[Greeting]

Yeah, I was wondering why you're gamethrowing by trying to eliminate an uncc'd power role,

House

. I guess you're not bad town, just scum, that's all.

[Greeting]

Not to mention, any actual experienced townie knows that a Tracker no result doesn't soft clear anything because Goon.

Greeting admitted as much in the same post, which means he only wanted to buy himself town cred and have the means to toss his precious soft clears back in the lim pool later.

The intent of his claimed results was to give zero actual information to town.

Why would I even need towncred? Was there anyone who even seriously suspected me before my claim?

There's no possibility of both of us telling the truth with our claims.

My claim about both my role and my targets is real, which must mean that you're lying.

There's also no point in me dragging this on further, because otherwise you'll overload this thread with another hundred of your posts anyway for town to brush this off.

[Greeting]

Okay. So why watch me?

Answered in 1810.

[Greeting]

Not to mention, any actual experienced townie knows that a Tracker no result doesn't soft clear anything because Goon.

Greeting admitted as much in the same post, which means he only wanted to buy himself town cred and have the means to toss his precious soft clears back in the lim pool later.

The intent of his claimed results was to give zero actual information to town.

Why would I even need towncred? Was there anyone who even seriously suspected me before my claim?

There's no possibility of both of us telling the truth with our claims.

My claim about both my role and my targets is real, which must mean that you're lying.

There's also no point in me dragging this on further, because otherwise you'll overload this thread with another hundred of your posts anyway for town to brush this off.

You keep reminding it to self, or you trying to persuade us?

What do you think?

[Greeting]

It’s just sad to watch myself being framed, especially since I have a town PR, but oh well. I did what I could, but unfortunately scum seems to be winning over.

[Greeting]

Next time you fakeclaim a PR, give more thought to the actions you're trying to claim.

I didn’t fake claim a PR. Whatever you’re trying to do is cute, but if you really intend on pushing my elim through, you’ll be eating your words.

[Greeting]

I already said why I tracked

ɀefiend

. Then again, why am I even doing this. You’re blatantly scum just throwing whatever you can at me. Meh.

It’ll be funny to see you past my flip though

[Greeting]

Trying to shade flipped town that caught scum.

That's the stench of desperation.

That's a sweet story you're trying to sell. It's risky though, two more people and you'll be completely compromised.

[Greeting]

Ain't that a shame. Now eliminate the crap out of

House

tomorrow. And leave

Galron

and

Enchant

alone.

[Greeting]

As for the third scum - my bet is

Dwlee99

or

Taly

. I would go after the former. See y'all in the postgame.

[Greeting]

Then get ready to lose if you're town.

[Greeting]

I want to take all of your avis and center them in a single post altogether, but I don't know if I'll make it before the thread is closed.

[Greeting]

By the way, I renounce my claim.

Guess I should mention that.

Great, then vote out

House

tomorrow. And if you're town,

House

, then you've just thrown the game.

[Greeting]

May I present to you the wall of shame:

[Greeting]

ily

greeting

no hard feelings from me regardless of how this goes <3

xoxo

[Greeting]

May I present to you the wall of shame:

I don't get top billing?

Although the order of avis was random,

Enchant

deserves it, they're actually town who miselimmed an uncc'd town PR and rallied for it. You're scum, you were just doing your job.

[Greeting]

Now I really got to go. I found a fitting song for my departure.

[Greeting]

This game could have been won. But it was thrown and that’s quite sad.

Congratulations to the scum team.