CONTROL - GAME OVER!

[Tet]

Proxy my vote to: Lady Lambdadelta

I'll vote whoever LLD does (even if it's me).

Peace offering: I promise never to vote LLD prior to D5-at-earliest (barring guilties on her). I reserve right to state suspicion, but promise not to act on it, and the proxy vote is proof of commitment to this promise.

VOTE: Mastina

I start the game informed that LLD is red.

[Tet]

I retract my n0 cop on LLD.

Still reading but page 7 threw me for a loop and I thought Bell was responding to themselves for like 7 straight posts.

But I've got arcade, lld, maybe ceph as townleans.

I have mush as a neutral read not in the nonread sense. My first inclination is scummy with a townie mask but I could see it as townie with a lapse in logic that makes them look scummy if I stretch it.

Not thrilled with std yet and I kinda think norwee rolled scum.

Mastina looks kind of ok with the vote pass off thing to LLD.

[Tet]

Do the town thing then std.

[Tet]

Yeah I've played with everyone here except roden and Elodie. Unless they're alts too.

[Tet]

I think our only game together LLD was a scum game. You convinced someone to claim masons with you...or something absurd like that.

[Tet]

I'm not mad, per se. Just confused and don't see anything AI.

Eh? Noraa's reaction should tell you somethign.

Agree that my fakeviging is not AI, but noraa has to give you something...

I feel like scum Noraa lives and breathes for those kinds of moments. Whatever she can think of that's clever to get out of a scum read, she'll do. It's where most of her brain is when she's scum.

I can agree with this. High intensity reactions lean into AtE territory where Nora can be really effective.

That said her reaction here isn't damning, just not outside of her scumrange.

[Tet]

Yeah I've played with everyone here except roden and Elodie. Unless they're alts too.

You never played with me afaik??? wtf LOL

This is not wrong.

[Tet]

LLD why'd you push T3 on his readslist over me? They're nearly identical.

[Tet]

Yeah I've played with everyone here except roden and Elodie. Unless they're alts too.

In which game have we played together?

A newbie game.

[Tet]

meh. that reaction didn't change my bears read at all.

how does anyone still fall for fake dayvigs, it's so old hat.

i don't know who tet is, but they seem townish.

Even if I told you, you wouldn't know. But I'll take all the townreads so.

[Tet]

It's wrong lol. But once I get into character it won't matter.

[Tet]

At the risk of making Bell the n1 target (a risk I'm willing to take) I'll say Bell has 0 chance of being elimmed this game.

[Tet]

Tbh I think Tet's full of it with the whole "I know everyone in the playerlist" thing looooooool

Anyway this has been DISRUPTIVE and I'm in a meeting seeya

Wooo, super scummy of me.

[Tet]

At the risk of making Bell the n1 target (a risk I'm willing to take) I'll say Bell has 0 chance of being elimmed this game.

Not true.

-baby bear

I'd have to get yeeted first.

[Tet]

dayvig

nora

[Tet]

nope no thread lock this time

How am I gonna submit my venge kill then?

[Tet]

Man my crumb game is on fire right now.

[Tet]

ah, good, we're going to have ~fun~ this game

Look if you didn't want to get burned down early then you should've used your noggin before you fluffposted, now its too late and that's your problem not mine

how dare i attempt to have fun. i should be burned at the stake for this heinous crime

Fluff isn't a crime

It's the scum poking out of it

i'd be interested in seeing you try to explain this without copying LLD's homework

Sure but only because it turns out she wasn't seeing what I saw, whoops

The content of your post reads EXACTLY in theme with a specific part of Control, but its a part that wouldn't be very likely to come up in a green role PM. If you hadn't fluffposted without thinking through the consequences of your actions you might have been fine, but instead you fluffposted in a way that gave the game away, precisely because you didn't know what you were talking about. Sorry bud

This is kind of my main issue with mush's push on Ceph with the caveat being I have no idea about anything related to this game beyond the quick wiki scrub I did. So unless the founder guy kept some kind of diary and it is a CORE part of the game then this blatant flavor outing of cephrirs is just BS.

Compound that with Mush's trajectory on Ceph (which is good admittedly) and it doesn't seem believable. If Ceph's flavor was blatantly found in one of the two antagonists that were named then Ceph's rebuttals wouldn't matter. Because they slipped as scum.

[Tet]

That's just to loop back to the crossroads I'm at on mush. The piggyback off LLD's push reeked but I could see it as a push to get something solid on Ceph so there's wiggle room.

[Tet]

Because they slipped as scum.

Hold up. Pause. What?

-baby bear

I'm probably making my thought hard to follow.

Mush says Ceph flavor slipped as one of two people (antagonists) which would make them scum.

Mush softens their stance based on Ceph's responses.

Which wouldn't matter if cephrir scum slipped with their flavor (from Mush's perspective).

[Tet]

Mush says Ceph flavor slipped

Where is this? I skimmed Cephy's iso and did not see anything about like what flavor they are anywhere???

-baby bear

i would still like a more thorough explanation of post 80 mush

if you're right and i'm scum, then i will surely have already relayed what mistake i made to my scumteam, so i don't see what the harm could be in outing your secret flavor read

Its not a secret. Your role PM is like blatantly either Trench or Dylan full stop send tweet

PEDIT: Dragons, buddy, friend, I don't know the dude and I don't use meta literally at all if I don't have personal history with a player, your arguments may be convincing to you but I'm immune to them? Sorry, it's like "ok so that's your history, enjoy that"

Where mush calls out Ceph for flavor. He voted in post 60 but claimed to have 1 read a little before post 60.
The only post I could reasonably connect to having any flavor implications is:

Day 2

Dear D.I.A.R.Y.,

So far the mission is going according to plan. No one has figured out that I'm an alien. The earthlings are... "friendly," as they say. I have much to learn about this culture. As of yet, I have not identified any Bad Earthlings. I hope the others can assist me, as the combination of my superior deductive capabilities and Earthling knowledge of their own traditions should surely be formidable.

Yours,
Ce'phyy

P.S. I don't know what Control is actually about.

[Tet]

@Arcade: no but it's a reasonable assumption. As far as I've read up on control there are just different types of supernatural entities (like classes) and then the former founder as the main antagonist (controlling these entities maybe?) So them being part of the scum team flavor makes sense.

[Tet]

It's based on SCP yeah.

[Tet]

Nope, shoot your shot.

[Tet]

Goddd this game is a cold fucking splash of water in the face after that meeting godddddddd I fuckin hate it here

That's a meme, I'm memeing, shush

OKAY SO TET! Anyway problem is like Ceph said he decided to do that fluffpost shit BEFORE the role PM rwas received. And yeah scum could be lying but the thing is it's unfalsifiable, so I have to accept the POSSIBILITY it MIGHT be true, regardless of alignment, which would make it NAI, or else its potentially fucking game throwing on my part LOL

SO I re-read Ceph later and there's some fucking good posts and the reaction to pressure doesn't look as bad as I remembered, DO I STILL FUCKING PUSH THAT? Cause like, it is UNLIKELY but NOT IMPOSSIBLE (or even implausible!!!) that Ceph stumbled into the one bit of flavor that can only arguably come from antagonists??? And like, if the psoting is town and my mindread slot (LLD) is saying to give space it seems like the right move is to see Ceph catch scum, bus or flame out and get yoten???? If you say I still push that then Idfk guess you suck at mafia buddy lol

You.....you can see where the logic falls apart right? I'm not demanding you townread Ceph.

[Tet]

Lady Lambdadelta
The Three Bears (Titus, Flea the Magician, Noraa)
Bell
Save The Dragons
NorwegianboyEE
Tet
Roden
tictac
Malakittens

Dwlee99
Princess Elodie
Greeting

MUSHSHAGANA

T3
Toogeloo

Galron
MegAzumarill
Arcade Pals (Dunnstral, MariaR)

Ircher
Cephrir

Kinda surprised that I genuinely have a good readslist from literally just two pages but this is genuinely seriously actually a good readslist imo.

Pagetopping this with the minor switch of T3/Mush (Mush trusting LLD, T3's entrance not being as town as I was hoping.)

This worries me. I think Ircher and Arcade are town. Ceph as well but I admit I have the least confidence there.

I am hyper aware I have a tendency to side with slots being badgered with weak cases regardless of alignment so I could reasonably just be biasing myself into a townread there.

[Tet]

Roden, why do you think Greeting is the best vote for today?

I hate the RVS analysis posts. They made my eyes glaze over and it just read as information-over-analysis to me. It's typically a town tell to me, but there's a thin line between actually town telling and just LAMIST serious analysis posts.

Additionally, I don't think Greeting and LLD are aligned, and since I town read LLD I have to give Greeting the boot.

So, I took the time to analyse two players who were under suspicion at the moment and tried to understand the arguments against them and that's bad?

Half of the votes this game have either been not explained at all, or were given three lines of text at most. At least that's my impression. Sorry for wanting to make a more informed choice as to whom I'm voting out.

I also think that

Lady Lambdadelta

is town but I don't see a shred of an explanation why her being town makes me scum.

Welcome to the world of Mafia outside the newbie queue.

[Tet]

This is easily the towniest STD has ever been.
Thus, he must be scum or something.

Lol Jesus you're reading my mind.

[Tet]

Additionally, I don't think Greeting and LLD are aligned, and since I town read LLD I have to give Greeting the boot.

if x, then y

I don't think LLD and Greeting are aligned because I town read one and scum read the other.

x and y

that's a change of what you said

people can judge for themselves

You...realize that you've just made it very clear that the contents of what I said never changed, right?

the context around the reads changed not the reads themselves. which is what std is arguing.

[Tet]

one of lld/greeting is scum is not the same as I townread lld and scumread greeting.

[Tet]

Greeting what changed your read on Mush?

[Tet]

Part of the problem here is also that a lot of slots i’d want to get a better read on, such as Ttog, Princess Delonie, Dwlee, etc etc are lowposting or not here.

Well I don't know about any of those slots but I will give you a free read in Malakitty is town.

Super angleshoot.

[Tet]

Knowing Irchers allignment would be very helpful in that. And i’m seeing very meek opinions, which makes them feel like scum.
Either they’re just not townie at all. (Which i don’t find very likely for Ircher) or scum is in that awkward position where they don’t want to openly townread an scummy partner, but wants to try to mislead us away too.

Like....I get this.

But how does it get you a clear picture of what scum are doing if Ircher flips town?

[Tet]

I kind of forgot that people didn't know that STD, lol

I did not know this o.o

[Tet]

I am an enigma, spooky.

[Tet]

Sure, but I'm asking what your picture of scum looks like in that case.

[Tet]

The Roden push, i think it’s good. Counterwagons are always informative, but i’m personally not as convinced that’d flip scum as i am Ircher.
So i’m still arguing the same thing because i don’t see any reason to switch and other wagons suggested so far haven’t been interesting to me.
If anyone disagrees eith me there, that is awesome. But make yourself heard, or i’m just gonna try to run the show. Because i don’t like messing around.

Roughly where I was going with this. I'll leave it loose since it's not relevant yet.

Ircher could be scum sure, but I'm not going to move there if the case on them is largely based on a vibe several players got that I personally did not.

They have to start the game on the backfoot but I don't think that's new territory for Ircher and nothing they've done has jumped out at me as scummy. If I'm wrong I'm wrong.

[Tet]

These Norwegian posts are THE fuckin good stuff tbh

Norwegian/Dragons/LLD/Cephrir(honorary for pronouns THANKS AGAIN) is my town block rn so
mastina is towny but not enough to gamble the game on, the first 3 in my block are like, if scums in there im so snowed you should just lim me now loooooooool

This is a pretty good block.

[Tet]

Dwlee99
Galron
Roden
Mastina
Princess Elodie
MegAzumarill
tictac
Toogeloo
T3

LLD/Bell/STD town I likely never change my mind on
Norwee/mush/Ceph/mala town
Leantown on bears/ircher/arcade
Greeting upper side of null

I'd burn any slot below this point.

Roden/tictac/t3/Mastina are prime suspects. Toog I could go either way on but it probably shifts hard in either direction pending Mastinas alignment.

[Tet]

Meant to delete the quote lol.

[Tet]

yeah sure noraa cant wait for your red flip looooooooool

tet whats with the mastina thing talk to me here

My read there could change. Depends on Mastina. I don't really have an issue with her vibes readlist, I'm sure there is *some* depth to it but it's what I'm waiting on.

While yeah I have her as a scumread at the moment she's not an elim I want immediately or anything I'll give her the space to show townplay.

[Tet]

VOTE: Megazumarill

[Tet]

that wasnt the reason I voted there but its an additive and makes it a twice as good vote.

[Tet]

your content not directly related to you picked up but I also specifically liked how you responded to prodding.

[Tet]

I've got an off the wall read on tictac where I scumread them because I'm not a fan of what they've chosen to interact with and not because they're actually scummy.

Which might be town indicative for them. I don't know how to explain it better or reconcile the conflict yet.

[Tet]

Anyone else weirded out that LLD did an obvious fake vig on Noraa, Noraa took it to heart, and then LLD takes a break while Three Bears gets freebie town reads?

Food for thought.

Now I'm hungry. I could use a sandwich or something.

No, not really. What's your take on Nora?

[Tet]

Tet is null for me.

I get Mush's reasoning for having me as a nullread. But outside of that I've made it a point to make hard lines as much as I possibly can so this shouldn't be the case for slots I haven't directly pushed.

Also I'm active making me sortable with a minor minor amount of effort.

[Tet]

i want to see noraa pretend to be titus

BY VCA ANALYSIS, ALL VOTERS OF IRCHER GUILTY BY ASSOCIATION >:]

I thought you were busy Titus?

[Tet]

I'm fairly lost in the conversation so I have to reread

Anything specific to pay attention to?

This is specifically what got my vote. I see scum do this way to often and admittedly do it myself (usually when repping into games).

The idea is that you throw the bait out for someone to bring up a topic that is relevant to *them* and you kill two birds with one stone by formulating some type of content around it, generally skewed towards the perspective of the person that interacted with you. You get by with busywork and get started on a pocket down the line.

Norwees point on the activity outside of this game doesn't reinforce that read but does add onto it.

[Tet]

This defense just makes me want to flip Meg more.

[Tet]

like, sure there's nothing in meg's ISO, but could just be lost town? or is lost town not an option in yalls books?

There are reasons Meg comes out scummy while a 1:1 slot like Mala comes out town. So yeah lost town is an option but scum seems more likely.

Else I'd just be scumreading all of Meg/dwlee/mala/tictac (who has less posts and more presence) etc.

[Tet]

Andante, I apologize if I'm stepping out of line but....are you one of those furries I've heard about?

[Tet]

I'd prefer the elim to be the Meg slot but the longer we go without ircher fighting the push on him the less willing I am to go against the grain here.

I won't be on the wagon though regardless.

[Tet]

Also if STD is town then all of Nora/LLD/Andante probably town with them.

The alternative is that LLD is masterminding the scumteam coordination against StD but that comes with two asterisks.

*It would be super weird to see std getting a bunch of townreads and then decide to attack std directly instead of engaging with the slots townreading std

And

*Having very very limited exposure to LLD scum they seem more of a do their own thing player to reach a scum favored endgoal over trying to coordinate a scum mask towards specific actions.

[Tet]

this pinkie push is kinda weird though

the ircher defense of ceph is weird

i like val so far actually

LLD null

Ircher defending Ceph or vice versa?

Also I don't recall either one.

[Tet]

I did it for you norwee.

[Tet]

I'd prefer the elim to be the Meg slot but the longer we go without ircher fighting the push on him the less willing I am to go against the grain here.

I won't be on the wagon though regardless.

The first part I get and I'm partially inclined to agree with. Arcade is lock scum, but I may not be getting it for thread health.

The last part makes no sense though. If you're less willing to go against the grain, then it logically follows that you would be more willing to get on the Ircher wagon.

~Mama

Yes. There have actually been multiple times I considered maybe I'm wrong on ircher and I'd be better off voting there. Then something creeps me out about joining the wagon. It happened twice but I don't remember what exactly scared me off.

[Tet]

Part of the problem here is also that a lot of slots i’d want to get a better read on, such as Ttog, Princess Delonie, Dwlee, etc etc are lowposting or not here.

Well I don't know about any of those slots but I will give you a free read in Malakitty is town.

Super angleshoot.

whats the thoughts on the malacat read?

They probably would have repped out as scum if they weren't going to be able to put in the effort to contribute.

Kind of, I'd imagine they would feel worse about lurking out and getting elimmed for it than just repping out and giving the scum replacement a fighting chance.

[Tet]

I don't take it that way. More like the feeling of being a burden on a scumteam is way higher than as town. Scum have way less wiggle room for error generally speaking.

I'm sort of the same way (not that I would ever rep out if I can help it) but messing up as town won't phase me in any way. It would as scum however.

[Tet]

I don't think anyone truly cares about their scum record, unless you're FL or something. So I'm speaking from a psychological standpoint.

[Tet]

Fwiw the last time that I hard Townread Norwee and he was scum, town won. So even if he is this bodes well.

[Tet]

i think its his towngame. I'm just restraining myself from hard defending him against every accusation thrown at him.

not that i ever remember the lessons i learn.

he's a big boy though and i think his responses to pressure have been fine.

[Tet]

im telling.

VOTE: Arcade

[Tet]

What is there to fight? Maybe one or two people have expressed a reason for scum reading that goes beyond "Their ISO looks scummy." There's nothing to engage.

You know what I mean. Like your a scumteam worth of votes away from being the elim and your focus is elsewhere.

Maybe you townread your whole wagon....which is cool. But it seems like you're content with town just being wrong on you in that case.

[Tet]

I'll cede that it's not worth it to fight against "vibe" reads though.

[Tet]

we have 22 players. its not 7. why are people saying its 7???????????????

Technically speaking, there's one way we

could

have seven, and that's if the game's multiball. Which is definitely possible, since the game has multiple factions. The Hiss are the main enemy and primary antagonist of the game, but the Hiss is still hostile to a secondary antagonist, The Mold, which is hostile to The Hiss. That, aside from other malevolent objects of powers and other malevolent entities. (The Furnace for instance, but also that one thing that Jesse can't fight and needs to contain, the rolling death ball thingy.) Malevolent entities/objects of power are all individual things so probably not a multiple-member faction, but could exist as solo-scum of some kind.

That having been said, obviously, no point in speculating multiball before it is proven so because,
1: The game doesn't feel like it's multiball (gamestate-wise it doesn't seem to fit), and,
2: If it were multiball we'd be able to tell as much over time.

So I'm assuming singleball until otherwise proven wrong, which would be a lot less than seven. We're talking, probably five. Maybe,

maybe

6 if the town's incredibly stacked, but 5 is more likely.

SHOW ME

I don't think I need to say it but I'll say it anyway; LLD v StD is TvT.

Btw side-note, StD v Roden is pretty obviously TvT but I can't really go in as much depth as I'd prefer to there since I'm not sure I'll be able to get caught up yet alone be lucid. I'm running out of time tonight, both before I need sleep and in brain power.)

Wowee this sure seems like an example of a place where obvious scum cephrir must be different in an explainable way!!!

It is, I just need to have the time and mental mindset to explain.

Shit you actually reminded me that one of the enemies you fight are called Hiss Agents and are just ex field agents that are now controlled. Which fits damn well with a traitor role.

[Tet]

Like... 80% of the enemies in the game are various forms of Hiss corrupted Agents.

Nah, if I had to wager a guess, we're either fighting Objects of Power, like the Anchor, or variations from such (hello esseJ), or main Hiss Agents like Tomassi or Trench, maybe a combination of both.

In fact, just a bet in general, the scum team could simply just be all the bosses with no real alignment differential.

Tomassi
Mold-1
Former
Anchor
esseJ
Dylan

Trench could possibly be swapped in somewhere, even though not a boss. And of course DLC could be a factor with Hartman.

Regardless of your alignment, I trust you on flavor things.

[Tet]

Like... 80% of the enemies in the game are various forms of Hiss corrupted Agents.

Nah, if I had to wager a guess, we're either fighting Objects of Power, like the Anchor, or variations from such (hello esseJ), or main Hiss Agents like Tomassi or Trench, maybe a combination of both.

In fact, just a bet in general, the scum team could simply just be all the bosses with no real alignment differential.

Tomassi
Mold-1
Former
Anchor
esseJ
Dylan

Trench could possibly be swapped in somewhere, even though not a boss. And of course DLC could be a factor with Hartman.

Game isn't flavour solvable, at least using EoG canon. Just saying.

-Plinkie

Very unfortunate to hear.

[Tet]

In case I die tonight, tictac is my pocket scumread and Mastina!town would trust that read.

[Tet]

It's secret don't tell anyone yet.

[Tet]

VOTE: tictac
I'm not opposed to Val or roden either.

[Tet]

VOTE: tictac
I'm not opposed to Val or roden either.

Elaborate on tictac?

I didn't hate his early posting, the back and forth with your slot actually. But I don't like that the contentious slots he's leaving open ended. What's specifically relevant now is his Ircher trajectory which goes :

Early ping/null with a downward trajectory because of It hers lack of posting (which didn't pick up) -> Ircher town because too many slots are scumreading them...ok -> wouldn't touch that wagon as it's about to flip.

But what really rubs me wrong is the posturing with the vote on Andante with nothing to back it up. As opposed to just riding his vanity wagon on std where he has at least pushed a case. It all comes off very fake. Even under the premise of compromise since it's just jumping from a nothing wagon to another nothing wagon.

I also did have the brief thought that tictac throwing mud at std might be important timing-wise on a red flip but I'd have to look back at who the leading wagon was. Or just a direct chainsaw for roden maybe.

[Tet]

VOTE: tictac
I'm not opposed to Val or roden either.

Roden is no touchy.

-Pinke

You can explain this tomorrow.

[Tet]

If you were higher in my townreads I'd leave it be but I happen to think roden has fair scum equity.

[Tet]

If the elim is flipping to andante I'll vote there to end day.

[Tet]

roden aint shit compared to andante tbh find town in that iso i dare u

I don't townread either one.

[Tet]

rodens ehhhhhh i think roden/grendel are same alignment n i waffle back n forth on both slots when i think abt it

what do u see that makes it firmly scum play tet

It's not firm I just think their responses to pressure have been awful. I've seen the defense of them being "town can respond that way too" and it's like . . . So?

Grendel's posting has been alright and I like the way they've engaged with reads. My only real issue with the slot is their predecessor, which isn't fair to them. But I can't shake that Meg was caught scum, so you can see my dilemma. I've decided I'll give them a day to make an impression removed from Meg.

[Tet]

Ircher confirms tonight, simples.

inb4 "I was blocked."

If Ircher is elimmed tomorrow as a result of scum interference it puts more tools in the town bucket than just elimming him here and he actually flips green.

[Tet]

If you were higher in my townreads I'd leave it be but I happen to think roden has fair scum equity.

So talk it out, instead of threatening to talk to me, trying talking to me.

Here I'll help.

What's flagging you to most on Roden?

-Poinky Bwear

It's not important. I'm not actively pushing roden right now. I just want a clearer picture of your Roden townread tomorrow since you're seeing something major that I don't.

But not right now.

[Tet]

Galron on the edge of falling into my townpool.

[Tet]

If you were higher in my townreads I'd leave it be but I happen to think roden has fair scum equity.

So talk it out, instead of threatening to talk to me, trying talking to me.

Here I'll help.

What's flagging you to most on Roden?

-Poinky Bwear

It's not important. I'm not actively pushing roden right now. I just want a clearer picture of your Roden townread tomorrow since you're seeing something major that I don't.

But not right now.

Well I'm wanting to interact with you now. So whats flagging you most about roden?

-Pinkie the Interrobear

My only real impression of Roden is them on the defensive. Not to say town can't play more reserved roles, but that being my only impression of them it isn't a good one for me.

If he gets defensive and fumbles arguments as town (in a meta sense) does it make them surely town because they don't have the capacity to do the same as scum? That's the only way I'll accept roden is town on a meta level.

[Tet]

If you were higher in my townreads I'd leave it be but I happen to think roden has fair scum equity.

So talk it out, instead of threatening to talk to me, trying talking to me.

Here I'll help.

What's flagging you to most on Roden?

-Poinky Bwear

It's not important. I'm not actively pushing roden right now. I just want a clearer picture of your Roden townread tomorrow since you're seeing something major that I don't.

But not right now.

Well I'm wanting to interact with you now. So whats flagging you most about roden?

-Pinkie the Interrobear

My only real impression of Roden is them on the defensive. Not to say town can't play more reserved roles, but that being my only impression of them it isn't a good one for me.

If he gets defensive and fumbles arguments as town (in a meta sense) does it make them surely town because they don't have the capacity to do the same as scum? That's the only way I'll accept roden is town on a meta level.

Town can definitely play defensively, and reservedly.
If you want meta, go find it. What you've given me here is nothing strongly AI.

Where the reasons I have is that Roden has been actively engaged, looks to have been attempting to solve players and has been acting pretty transparently. The spat with StD was TvT as far as I can deduce.

-Pinkie

we can agree that we disagree. My perspective probably changes depending on Vals alignment. Also I dont want to have to repeat this one conversation with all three heads so I'm cool with just dropping this here.

[Tet]

what are hras? i saw it come up looking up the char.

[Tet]

If you were higher in my townreads I'd leave it be but I happen to think roden has fair scum equity.

So talk it out, instead of threatening to talk to me, trying talking to me.

Here I'll help.

What's flagging you to most on Roden?

-Poinky Bwear

It's not important. I'm not actively pushing roden right now. I just want a clearer picture of your Roden townread tomorrow since you're seeing something major that I don't.

But not right now.

Well I'm wanting to interact with you now. So whats flagging you most about roden?

-Pinkie the Interrobear

My only real impression of Roden is them on the defensive. Not to say town can't play more reserved roles, but that being my only impression of them it isn't a good one for me.

If he gets defensive and fumbles arguments as town (in a meta sense) does it make them surely town because they don't have the capacity to do the same as scum? That's the only way I'll accept roden is town on a meta level.

Town can definitely play defensively, and reservedly.
If you want meta, go find it. What you've given me here is nothing strongly AI.

Where the reasons I have is that Roden has been actively engaged, looks to have been attempting to solve players and has been acting pretty transparently. The spat with StD was TvT as far as I can deduce.

-Pinkie

we can agree that we disagree. My perspective probably changes depending on Vals alignment. Also I dont want to have to repeat this one conversation with all three heads so I'm cool with just dropping this here.

Fun fact is the 3 heads talk, compare reads and reasoning.
We can fully agree to disagree - and I have no problem with that .
What I do have a problem with is your evasivness and reluctance to talk more with me.

Lets open this up a little more, you probably realise I like spicy things and there's a common question I'm asking.
Now I'm aiming my Sriracha bottle at you... Gimme something spicy, a read (with some basis), an opinion...

-Pinkie, ~50,000 scovilles currently.

My evasiveness is because us bumping heads doesn't get us any closer to hitting scum today. We could discuss the better option between Andante or Val instead of arguing over whether roden is town or not when I'm not pushing there in the first place. You said he wasn't an option for you, fine I didn't pursue I just wanted something finite when it became relevant.

I'm not sure why it's a pressing issue for you but whatever.

I already gave tictac!scum and mala!town as my spicy reads.
They've just cooled off now that people have looked there and nodded along.

I'm not sure what more you want.

[Tet]

Also your insistence that flavor is irrelevant is weird. It's like the third time you brought it up. If you want to claim something just claim it.

[Tet]

sorta...uhhh. SORT OF possession prevention devices? slash noise generators? divine geometry???? it is hard to explain to u if u havent played the game

basically protection devices against the primary antagonists of the game that I can see.

honestly an inventor would fit the bill as well. Again though, flavour isn't breakable or indicative.

-Pinkie

they are basically a p solid indicator that like, if u are wearing one u are urself and not animated by hostile alien forces

Ok but my first thought there is a protective. Like a bodyguard or something. Which also fits the little bit of lore I read with them trying to destroy the nail(?) Dunno what that is but I'm assuming like a supernatural relic or something.

[Tet]

Oh I completely forgot the other thing with Tictac about them claiming Ascetic. Which is like...fair play as ascetic but I'm always going to be suspicious of an ascetic claim.

[Tet]

we're not claiming. good try, tet.

-baby bear

Then stop being skatey about the flavor thing. We heard you.

[Tet]

Also also, I agree with Nora on the Dunn read fwiw.

[Tet]

ehhhhhhh @tet i dont like val but andante goes first. pls recall i said there were 3 options: ircher andante or whoever decides they can step to us

so im sorry to inform u that val is off the table for the moment



tho if u want reasons why allow me to suggst that u pls compare iso-- andante + dwlee starts badnull, gets to town, tanks nyooooooom down thru the floor 2 scumland

val is just solid scum thru n thru yeah but! V IMPORTANT t3 was THE SCUMMIEST EVER, everyone was like ??? ok thats just ur meta t3 gj. then val replacein. val slot aint as scummy as andante at the worst, theres less iso material, scummy predecessor had multi ppl trying 2 meta clear it, im not so sure on it goin redflip AND im thinking andantes a sure deal redslot

and im top shit until such time as i wreck some poor townie so andantes it for today

thank u for ur cooperation

I was directing that at flea. Like for why I didnt care about the roden read today vs. tomorrow.

I don't have a preference between two slots I think are scummy so wherever the flow goes. As long as it's in that direction.

[Tet]

Your reads rate at 1,000 scovilles. Good with fish. Nothing impressive.
What I want is something I can use to get a feel on your alignment. You're talking a lot, but saying very little.
[Sorry, friend needed me ^_^]

I'd buy fish and hope for curry tomorrow.

[Tet]

Tet, you will not let wagon composition scare you away. Tet, you will not let wagon composition scare you away.

[Tet]

I did not realize Andantes iso was that big. Honestly I can't remember anything significant they've done.

Those statements aren't meant to go anywhere I'm just saying them.

[Tet]

Norwee. Could they both be scum maybe?

[Tet]

I think being willing to against the consensus is typically a town quality. It's easy to blend in beating the same drum everyone else is beating.

As someone who has never played scum like this, I will say you can easily get burned thinking that way.

[Tet]

I'm literally only here to expand my vocabulary and figure out what "circular reasoning" is.

[Tet]

Your reads rate at 1,000 scovilles. Good with fish. Nothing impressive.
What I want is something I can use to get a feel on your alignment. You're talking a lot, but saying very little.
[Sorry, friend needed me ^_^]

I'd buy fish and hope for curry tomorrow.

I already have tinned fish in the cupboard (Its good low spoon food) and some of them have chilli in.

They're spicier than you currently. And that spice doesn't even register.

Cool, I'm glad we had this talk then.

[Tet]

Basically where I'm at is that I don't think It her was a scum led wagon but I townread the slots that have been offering up counter wagons to ircher (Ceph,norwee,myself), at least the ones with traction anyway. I also townread bell which is relevant for the next part which is:

Slots I don't townread on the Ircher wagon -> Roden, Toog, Val, Andante, Mastina...kind of.

Mastina will become obvious one way or the other given the space. So they get time until it's evident that benefit of the doubt is being taken advantage of.

Toog is a wildcard, if flavor turns out to be relevant he will be a card town can play.

I don't want to deal with Roden(see last 2-3 pages)

Val and andante aren't the only suspects but one of the two could give good insight into the alignment of the other. And with Val voting andante in the manner they did, it could be the smoking gun if andante flips town.

I don't know if the same can be said if we flip Val one way or the other.

[Tet]

If andante is 100% off the table then I'm fine with Val being the elim but I haven't been convinced andante is town, just that Val is also scummy.

[Tet]

my vote is on andante once i know the vc.

[Tet]

VOTE: grendel

[Tet]

Tet Adante Dunn

~Mama

No shot you get me limmed this game, sort elsewhere.

[Tet]

bossy

[Tet]

I don't regret killing grendel at all

+1

VOTE: Bears

Spicy.

Need to talk with my other heads.

I also need to look at who made the last wagon and WHY dangit.


for now, VOTE: Norwee

The why really isnt much of a mystery

Cause Meg is a low poster and LHF and repped out, and Grendal who rarely plays reps out? Replacements are NAI.

So again, Why??

Priority is currently learning who targetted us last night.

-Pinkie the Domination bear.

The rep out was suspicious and took away my qualms about pushing the slot. Plus once the wagon swung there wasn't a point in making someone rep in immediately claim and probably get yeeted anyway.

[Tet]

Norwee we aren't doing this.

VOTE: Ircher

Everyone shuts up about night actions and we go next.

[Tet]

Unless you get an alignment check when targeted, it's not that important.

[Tet]

Why that important Bears?

Cause I said so. We have information. It just needs refinement.

Unless you get an alignment check when targeted, it's not that important.

Wouldn't you like to know.

I wouldn't actually. See my previous posts.

[Tet]

Flea it's extremely counterproductive to ask someone to out their role and at the same time go "but don't ask anything about our role because I'm not telling"

If you have info that can slam a slot there are more clever ways to go about it. If not then I don't see the point in having another slot out so you can get what you want.

Or we can just do it tomorrow....again.

[Tet]

I would but there's nothing there.

Casual lil role fishing? >:P

-Pinkie

Ok.

[Tet]

I would but there's nothing there.

Casual lil role fishing? >:P

-Pinkie

You're being insufferable. Tet is clearly saying they want no info shared and to kill Ircher and go next to keep info out of hands of scum.

I knew we would head that direction when I decided to respond.... That's my fault.

[Tet]

But isn’t it like role fishing ….?

I don’t get it

Maybe it’s just me

Once I figure out how to play mafia I'll let you know.

Also vote Ircher please.

[Tet]

Uh.

[Tet]

I'm not going to be V/LA but I don't have anything to add to this day phase and no questions will be answered till day 3.

See you guys at prodge time.

[Tet]

it doesn't have to be. we cant know until he flips right? but if he isnt the elim today hes a big question mark/distraction that you have to leave until day 4 at the earliest and hes never going to end game. which i would hope we all realize.

ircher being the elim today gives a clearer picture of what was going on yesterday with as little scum recooperating today as possible. does that make sense? plus two nights of tpr info going into day 3.

[Tet]

so if its a question of elimming ircher today to confirm his role or waiting two days for 2-4 townies to die in the mean time. its more sensible to me to elim him today. thats all irrelevant of my read on Ircher which doesnt really matter at this point.

I was willing to give ircher the night phase because it potentially tied up scum and if hes town then he contributed to town reaching a win just by existing with his role. but the more time we give scum the less utility town ircher will have.

[Tet]

also its entirely possible if hes town and scum do have a roleblocker, that we dont hit the roleblocker on either elim and we are back where we started with ircher on day 4 waiting for a confirm that could just never happen.

[Tet]

Ok I don’t have enough brain energy for this game

Town.

[Tet]

Ngl

I’m not gonna read yet. I feel like shit still. My ears feel like I’m underwater and my throat feels like I been practicing eating swords that have live fire. I also feel like I’m in some other type of universe

I was gonna proxy my vote to LLD bc I think she’s town but it sounds like she feels just like me.

Proxy my vote to The Three Bears

Titus understand the mission ok

Also super town.

[Tet]

I've already given the why, Ctrl f mala in my iso it's somewhere.

The latter looks good for the slot selection in lld and bears both being town without following up as a pocket attempt.

[Tet]

without following up as a pocket attempt.

there hasn't even been a scumflip?? why are you talking about pocket attempts?? you literally quote mala going "I'm not doing anything" and call that town. so if that's town, what does maf look like?

Like tictac.

[Tet]

Part of the problem here is also that a lot of slots i’d want to get a better read on, such as Ttog, Princess Delonie, Dwlee, etc etc are lowposting or not here.

Well I don't know about any of those slots but I will give you a free read in Malakitty is town.

Super angleshoot.

whats the thoughts on the malacat read?

They probably would have repped out as scum if they weren't going to be able to put in the effort to contribute.

Kind of, I'd imagine they would feel worse about lurking out and getting elimmed for it than just repping out and giving the scum replacement a fighting chance.

I don't take it that way. More like the feeling of being a burden on a scumteam is way higher than as town. Scum have way less wiggle room for error generally speaking.

I'm sort of the same way (not that I would ever rep out if I can help it) but messing up as town won't phase me in any way. It would as scum however.

I don't think anyone truly cares about their scum record, unless you're FL or something. So I'm speaking from a psychological standpoint.

Andante

[Tet]

like, sure there's nothing in meg's ISO, but could just be lost town? or is lost town not an option in yalls books?

Also this is ironically your Meg defense but it doesn't apply to mala because they called you scum?

[Tet]

Tet is our new Officially Licensed Medium in case of untimely doom. Dragons has gone off into alien territory, but Tet is fully in sync with me right now, and Shrike doesn't disagree.

Lol we've come a long way.

[Tet]

Titus I beg you.

[Tet]

except letting ircher live doesnt tie up a roleblock tonight even if there is one.

[Tet]

You assume ircher is town though yeah?

[Tet]

I'm more surprised Mastina not only subscribes to my onlyfans but is comfortable detailing my tetty size.

[Tet]

Also if STD is town then all of Nora/LLD/Andante probably town with them.

The alternative is that LLD is masterminding the scumteam coordination against StD but that comes with two asterisks.

*It would be super weird to see std getting a bunch of townreads and then decide to attack std directly instead of engaging with the slots townreading std

And

*Having very very limited exposure to LLD scum they seem more of a do their own thing player to reach a scum favored endgoal over trying to coordinate a scum mask towards specific actions.

i forgot i made this read yesterday.

this was off the back of the machine gun pushes on std from lld/bears/andante. I just didnt see scum considering std townreads as that big of an issue. not enough to stir up shit in that direction. The coordination bit was that none of the three were really piggybacking off the other, they were distinct pushes that i could only really see coming from scum if LLD was setting it up that way.

But I can Safely say I think LLD is just town, bears probably just town, making andante likely town. Theyre just dancing to a different beat, at a whole different club, in a whole different city.


on Mars.

[Tet]

no i get you. it hurt me putting those sentences together physically. But its also one of those I dont get what they are doing as either alignment kind of things. Versus like Thewayitends playing both sides of the fence and tictacs play, I can see vaguely what they are trying to get done.

I think I can put a little more faith in townreading andante if ircher flips red here. Add on to that the fact that Andante was the next neck up after irchers claim so that would play into their favor a bit.

but i do here you, i dont even fully trust myself on that read so I dont expect you to back off your stance.

[Tet]

no i get you. it hurt me putting those sentences together physically. But its also one of those I dont get what they are doing as either alignment kind of things. Versus like Thewayitends playing both sides of the fence and tictacs play, I can see vaguely what they are trying to get done.

tbh like this is SOLID PROOF ++++++ to me that u are comin from right townie pov cuz i didnt even say shit abt endy cuz i was thinkin like keep that shit in a back pocket for now n no one else said shiiiiiiit but like u picked it right up anyway like either u tmi or u see what i see

I was going to hold that read till they responded to me but i doubt i get what i want. Also didnt want to get myself nked but honestly if i'm killed for my read accuracy then the game is winnable anyway.

we might be the same person tbh.

[Tet]

..... Titus please.....please.

[Tet]

Add on to that the fact that Andante was the next neck up after irchers claim so that would play into their favor a bit.

You are forgetting that I was the counter wagon, not andante, for most of the day

Spoiler:

Votecount 1.8

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"I can hear the Hotline ringing in my dreams, constantly ringing. Ringing so loud I can't hear the voice I'm straining to understand."

Ircher (5) - MUSHSHAGANA, mastina, NorwegianboyEE, Toogeloo, Roden
Arcade Pals (5) - The Three Bears, Andante, Cephrir, Save the Dragons, Tet
Grendel (3) - Ircher, Bell, Greeting
Roden (2) - Arcade Pals, Val89
Save the Dragons (1) - tictac

Not voting (4) - Malakittens, Galron, TheWayItEnds, Lady Lambdadelta

(expired on 2022-01-19 23:12:00) remain until day end

With 21 players alive, it takes 11 to reach a majority.

Mastina is V/LA through January 13.

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Ircher (9) - MUSHSHAGANA, mastina, NorwegianboyEE, Toogeloo, Roden, Val89, Andante, Bell, Save The Dragons
Dunnstral (2) - The Three Bears, Tet
Grendel (2) - Ircher, Greeting
Roden (1) - Dunnstral
Save the Dragons (1) - tictac

Not voting (6) - Malakittens, Galron, TheWayItEnds, Lady Lambdadelta, Grendel, Cephrir

(expired on 2022-01-19 23:12:00) remain until day end

With 21 players alive, it takes 11 to reach a majority.

Please let me know if you see any errors with this count!

Votecount 1.10

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Ircher (10) - MUSHSHAGANA, mastina, NorwegianboyEE, Toogeloo, Roden, Val89, Andante, Bell, Save The Dragons, Three Bears
Dunnstral (3) - The Three Bears, Tet, Galron
Grendel (2) - Ircher, Greeting
Roden (1) - Dunnstral
Andante (1) - tictac

Not voting (5) - Malakittens, TheWayItEnds, Lady Lambdadelta, Grendel, Cephrir

(expired on 2022-01-20 11:12:00) remain until day end

With 21 players alive, it takes 11 to reach a majority.

Please let me know if you see any errors with this count!

Andante clearly wasn't being voted

I mean, if you want to convince me that me and bears are scum ...go for it I guess?

None of those VCs are post claim I don't think. Because the jump was definitely from ircher to andante to grendel.

[Tet]

I mean, if you want to convince me that me and bears are scum ...go for it I guess?

That wasn't your original argument and you know it

Andante and ircher being rivalling counter wagons wasn't my original argument either.

[Tet]

I've been telling y'all that MUSH is scum since like day 1 of day 1.

If you flip town, I’ll flip mush.

Why is everyone in this game playing 1D checkers.

What if I told you all of my townreads are my scumreads and all of my scumreads are my townreads? Yahtzee.

[Tet]

I mean, if you want to convince me that me and bears are scum ...go for it I guess?

That wasn't your original argument and you know it

Andante and ircher being rivalling counter wagons wasn't my original argument either.

What were you saying then?

That Ircher flipping red is more indicative of Andante!town because of the way voters pivoted after Irchers claim.

[Tet]

The majority of votes is always town until town loses.

If Ircher is scum then a very large majority of his voters leading up to E-1 are town. Looking back at the vote counts though there was more wagon crossover than I thought with bears/Val/Roden all being on both wagons.

[Tet]

Yes lmao.

[Tet]

In the words of mush. I hate it here.

[Tet]

So there's some couple things to unpack.
My guess:
LLD was killed by the evil faction.
Val was vigged.
And whatever Three Bears claimed to get, it wasn't poison. (Unless it skips like 2 days)

Well we know scum have a direct killing action so I dont think mold is a scum killing ability. If it does kill then we may have a third party.

[Tet]

im guessing scum wanted to use the janitor night one and they ran into LLD's protection.

[Tet]

Ircher being hard defended yesterday makes those slots more suspicious given the scum team ran into a protective. which makes the strongman that much more valuable to them.

[Tet]

Andante I want you to claim ascetic/not ascetic.

[Tet]

oh right. Well that was dumb of me.

[Tet]

what does that have to do with andante?

[Tet]

multiple ascetics could exist, but yeah im aware tictac claimed ascetic.

[Tet]

chill we are killing thewayitends today. who did not figuratively scumclaim yesterday but LITERALLY scumclaimed yesterday.

[Tet]

chill we are killing thewayitends today. who did not figuratively scumclaim yesterday but LITERALLY scumclaimed yesterday.

i didnt read the last half of yesterday. what did they do?

-noraa

I dont think it is a coincidence that his entire iso revolves around Ircher. Plus his fencesitting but inexplicable hard defense of leaving ircher for d4.

[Tet]

tbh as soon as I saw the ircher red flip, I thought I was dead in the first hour today lol

it can be tomorrow.

[Tet]

chill we are killing thewayitends today. who did not figuratively scumclaim yesterday but LITERALLY scumclaimed yesterday.

i didnt read the last half of yesterday. what did they do?

-noraa

I dont think it is a coincidence that his entire iso revolves around Ircher. Plus his fencesitting but inexplicable hard defense of leaving ircher for d4.

thats not a scumclaim

Go look at Twie's iso and tell me thats town. And then i will say ok. And then we will turbo piledrive their wagon into the ground producing a red flip. And then i will die in the night. And then you will have to explain SOOOOO much shit tomorrow.

[Tet]

VOTE: TheWayItEnds

Since I already gave away more info than i wanted by being dumb. I'm confirming the existence of a roleblocker.

[Tet]

and tell me thats town

it's town

ok.

[Tet]

twie basically just has a nothing nothing iso. what am i supposed to read?

ok.

[Tet]

also, Vig step your game up. the kill was andante not val. Or tictac. but you can redeem yourself, I believe in you.

[Tet]

Andante I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt and pull the gun away from your head.....but you keep loading bullets instead lol.

Help me help you.

[Tet]

andante ur d4 for this shit im js LOL

(dunn might actually b better flip but andantes got more scum points saved up)

this is why we're twins.

[Tet]

Roden might be town. I think the Ircher interactions are a little too far spread to be theater but that makes me question whats going on with Irchers readlist?

[Tet]

oh and if you know your partner is going over, you'd wanna bus for town points... I think I SRed early ircher posts too, so uhh at least 1 partner was definitely on team "BUS IRCHER!"

yea hey tet what do u see here

in relation to pushing ircher day 1 or day 2?

[Tet]

i wasnt even seeing that lolol.

[Tet]

If you want to flip to Andante I'm cool with that. I trust twie goes through tomorrow anyway.

[Tet]

u know thats tough call. they prob both weak scum like goon or somethin, cuz both like willin 2 self sac for irch. granted irch p strong. u know hmmmm i let u make this call tet

I want both lol. The order might not be important, twie is a sure shot and literally no one has a reason to defend the slot.

[Tet]

they prob both weak scum like goon or somethin, cuz both like willin 2 self sac for irch. granted irch p strong.

what? r u talking about me? cuz if yes, this is such misrep. like when was i sacking for ircher wtf?

also ircher strong is a good point. theres probs scum off wagon given that. unless the other members are stronger but i think ircher had to have been like mid tier in terms of power or more.

not everything is about you.

[Tet]

that sounded mean, sorry. Mush was talking about andante/twie.

[Tet]

reminder that flavor cant break the game~

Im gonna need you to explain this in not vague terms.

[Tet]

what ceph said because im on the other side of the fence on that.

[Tet]

well there is something there. Its just all about Ircher.

[Tet]

i'm going to be a stick in the mud, ircher was going down like a sinking ship the only person who didn't think ircher was going down was andante for some reason

it was just a matter of whether ircher was town or scum. i actually thought he was going to flip town at the end of the day. the fact that he flipped scum changes a few things. it means people defending him probably were town unaware he was going to flip red (andante, Twie) and that some people who were heavily trying to drag him down were bussing him (roden).

I was hoping someone would notice this first. Ircher has been ignoring most people who try to case him, only ever replying to people he thinks are easy to out-argue.

what if ircher ignored roden because they're scumbuddies.

Anyway the real reason Ircher is scum here is because there is a 100% chance we have a Voyeur and/or a Watcher and there's no way they don't sit on Ircher N1 to catch a Roleblocker. But no one's stepping forward to vouch for Ircher besides I guess Andante, who just claimed VT.

This is a really weird reason to sr ircher

I would be more likely to say its theater if it was just a day 2 thing but they've been trading jabs both days.

[Tet]

agreed the last quote doesnt make any sense.

[Tet]

I concur that I'm not 100% sure what the utility of defending ircher was supposed to be yesterday unless it was done in such a way as to come off as uninformed maybe. Our day play has been rather direct so far so im not sure if scum would play for "hope for nuance".

I also feel like twice would get heat today no matter what ircher had flipped?

why would twie get pushed if ircher flipped town?

[Tet]

if they still havent contributed i guess. But more likely tictac/Val/Andante get pushed on an ircher town flip over twie. But yeah i dont think it would get twie out of the suspect pile.

[Tet]

Read twie. The thing that is most sticking out to me is his pivot from seemingly wanting ircher to die d1 to defending him d2.

this is what i was getting at yesterday but he didnt really keep the interaction going.

[Tet]

yeah might be right.

[Tet]

I can see benecoff TV fitting Tictac thematically but that does nothing for alignment. The point in his favor is claiming first post.

Now that we know scum have a roleblocker he could have easily kept the ascetic modifier to himself and passed blame on to a roleblocker if investigated.

That said I would like the votes to move back on to Twie so we don't miss scum today, please and thank you.

[Tet]

Let me add that tictac still 100% has to be resolved before endgame. But let's give ourselves some wiggle room for error first.

[Tet]

I'm sure the Floppy Disk or Service Weapon is our vig even, but just flavor guessing here.

It actually stands to reason that Objects of Power are the power roles. Alan Wake is a bit of an outlier to that theory, but he's not actually in the game and you only see visions of him through the Hotline as part of the DLC.

The conclusion I came to was that objects of power are town prs, altered items are scum prs and prominent characters can be either or with range from VT to PR.

[Tet]

yes sheep me, its my last day.

[Tet]

I dont understand how anyone can look at twie's iso and say yeah i could see town spending two days defending the strongman,ninja,janitor flipped scum and not give input on anything else.

I'll hard defend any other wagon that pops up regardless of my read on them if i have to.

[Tet]

tettttttt u have 2 carry on after i die so u can gaze in 2 ur crystal ball n boldly pronounce my thoughts in public




PEDIT FINE CEPH UNVOTE:

tbh i think i die before you. Not one person has called me scum so I cant get pushed as a mislim. But scum can only push you if like bears is town and they can use bears as the scapegoat. No shot they even try putting weight behind bears if they are scum though.

[Tet]

bless.

[Tet]

if this day drags on i'll probably get to it. Ceph is in the back of my mind as "if i'm wrong on a townread its probably ceph" but i also feel that way about std. I'd have to get the time to devote brainpower towards figuring it out though.

[Tet]

awww man, ceph's iso is so big.

[Tet]

oh LLD's, sure I can manage that.

[Tet]

Are we talking about the first 20 points or so? because then yeah i get where your head is at.

[Tet]

Actually VOTE: unvote

I really am in a time crunch and I've seen some things that make me want to dive deeper.

[Tet]

also everythin immediate b4 lld focus on ircher.

read thru theres parallels on both slots, i just want 2 sleep on 1 n i didnt have a good pick for which 1

yeah, exactly what stuck out to me. But twie called it out day 1. I tried to get him to elaborate but he ignored it i guess. Seeing it myself it changes a little bit I think. But I want to be sure before I just start swinging accusations around.

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andante shush ur face or do work

lmao i was literally typing this.

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Look if you didn't want to get burned down early then you should've used your noggin before you fluffposted, now its too late and that's your problem not mine

Can you explain how this is scum indicative for Cephrir? I'm not familiar with his meta.

For actively seeking fun. It reads to me like you drew scum, hated it, and are now looking for ways to make your own fun.

This seems really reachy. A lot of people mess around during the beginning of a game. How is this scum-indicative for Cephrir specifically and not for anyone else?

It is hard to explain because it is a thing Cephrir has only shown and told about in places I can't really draw evidence from but given Ceph's lack of outrage at the claims I am making I think you can infer the logic is at least true. Whether it is valid and reaches Ceph scum this time you can evaluate yourself but.

The logic is not fallacious

I was moreso seeing this as the interaction string where ircher defends Ceph and earns LLD's initial scumread off the back of it.

Twie had like 5 posts since this conversation started though and hasn't mentioned it or tried to elaborate on what he was getting at even when the direct question to him was requoted though so like..... Maybe were chasing nothing anyway.

VOTE: Twie

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like if someones going to claim non conseq FN as a scum fake claim they really want that first night action and you can assume their power level drops off afterward

whereas if he was town the EV we get from leaving him alive and eating RB or becoming confirmable is much higher

if im only slightly scum reading ircher which i clearly was day 1 then i think the positive EV play is to give him the 2 more days

no kill but we got mold'ed which I reckon means we're a delayed kill....

-Poink

not from scum, if at all. Scum didn't opt for a delayed kill when they had the option of an untraceable kill, a strongman, or a janitor at their disposal.

Bears I'mma need you back down here on earth.

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@Mush I don't want to steer you off track because LLD scumreading std does play into my reservation on that slot. But they have been trending downwards since the back half of day 1 specifically with some of the stances they started taking compared to early day 1 where the pushes looked good and the processes matched up.

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It's 0° omw to work and I can't feel my fingers. I'll get some more succinct thoughts out around 6-7 a.m. twies next post string should include a full claim.

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Mush you get permission to side-eye bears when I flip. You'll know why.

Also toog, if he doesn't then you might have to worry there too.