CONTROL - GAME OVER!

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i

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catching down

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not in the mood for analysis. long day.
mush is scum, ceph, bell, and std are town

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Yeah I've played with everyone here except roden and Elodie. Unless they're alts too.

ban all alts
including you
roden isn't an alt

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lld is lean town
norwee, ircher are lean scum

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not in the mood for analysis. long day.
mush is scum, ceph, bell, and std are town

Man this does not make me feel better about Ceph. I feel ike you named 2 townies as town, pushed townie mush as scum and Ceph kind of stands otu.

I'm saying this read list is weird.

these were my reads at page 5, i'm stilll catching up.

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this is like the first time ever i tr norwee and everyone's sus on him smh

he lacks energy tbh

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VOTE: Bell

I think moving here will provide interesting results.

I think you should move back to MUSH.

uhh why?

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ego T3.
legere volo Galron est urbs, sed non lego

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As promised, here are some examples of MUSH's fallacious logic.

The content of your post reads EXACTLY in theme with a specific part of Control, but its a part that wouldn't be very likely to come up in a green role PM. If you hadn't fluffposted without thinking through the consequences of your actions you might have been fine, but instead you fluffposted in a way that gave the game away, precisely because you didn't know what you were talking about. Sorry bud

According to MUSH, Cephrir is scum for 57 because it isn't likely to have come from a town role pm. Let me point out some of the various ways this argument is fallacious:

1: It presupposes that Cephrir is familiar with the source material. This is evidently false because in 57, Cephrir explicitly states he is not familiar with the source material. You may argue that it's scum indicative regardless, but there's nothing preventing someone with a town alignment who is unfamiliar with the source material from making the exact same post. While it may be true perhaps that a scum role pm may make such a post more likely (I wouldn't know as I don't know the source material), it is at best a marginal difference.

2: It also presupposes that Cephrir's role is directly related to the post at hand and that Cephrir pulled material from his role pm to make that post. There is no evidence in favor of this assumption; in fact, later posts highly suggest this is not the case as Cephrir denied MUSH's guess in 123.

The following two go together.

Ircher why do you think I'm making any claims about Cephrir specifically and not a general statement about anyone in the circumstances Cephrir finds himself in

Ceph and I have never played together, there is no meta being used here

I guess you're still scum. Great job bolstering my early hypothesis

MUSH's argument here is that I am scum at least in part because I misinterpreted one of MUSH's earlier posts as being a specific observation about Cephrir rather than a general observation. For reference, the post I misinterpreted was 63:

Look if you didn't want to get burned down early then you should've used your noggin before you fluffposted, now its too late and that's your problem not mine

I would like to point out that if you are reading chronologically (and thus haven't seen the elaboration in 80, then it is very easy to interpret this post as MUSH scum reading fluffposting in general. My assumption was since that in the general case, that does not equate scum, there must have been something specific between MUSH and Cephrir that led to Cephrir's post being scummy in MUSH's eyes. 70 does not contradict my initial assumption; in fact, it reinforced it. Finally, there was also Lady Lambdadelta's take in 71, and her take is in fact a meta read. These factors combined, my original assumption, while incorrect, was reasonable. The issue here is that MUSH is trying to twist this around and paint it as scum!me protecting scum!Cephrir. MUSH is completely ignoring the "how would town come to this assumption" and instead jumps straight to the conclusion that reinforces MUSH's own preexisting bias. The argument that I am scum for making an incorrect assumption is fallacious because it completely ignores all the other equally plausible scenario and instead picks the one that fits in the most with MUSH's narrative.

tu es non caterva, est urbs.

i speak some latin

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mush non est legit cephrires recte.

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non scio si dwlee et arcade est urbs

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"i know some latin"
i'll stop because google translate seems to have butchered what i'm saying but i also messed up the gramma

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mush's tone is really, really, really strange. and i get why lld says that these posts are in mush's range, but i also just finished a game in which my scumpartner had an extremely overenthusiastic tone, and everyone dismissed it as "oh, she just drank 3 red bulls" (no, seriously.)

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VOTE: roden
atp i think mush could be town?

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irhcer i think could be scum, i haven't paid much attention to the case on him but he's usually a day 1 wagon.

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I always find it funny when previous scum buddies see my playstyle and thought process in detail, then see me act the complete opposite in another game and accuse me of being scum lol.

By funny I mean tiring.

the exasperation feels genuine, tbh.

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i think dwlee repping out is nai, but i can't say why because of ongoing games.

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ihm not very familliar with eitherhead of ar cade but i think the bad vibes are a personality thing from both heads.

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i think i'm going to completely ignore mush for now because they sound drunk every time they post tbh

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mastina does a lot of hocus pocus to get her reads and trying to read her off of her reads is just bad

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ceph/roden reads as tvs but that's just a vibe

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i don't think i've played with him before

w h a t
defcon
scp upick

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And if Noraa is town

ouchie this backtracking is going a little tooooo fast

The fuck? I’m not backtracking.
I’m expressing that my reads are never 100%. And i literally said the same thing when i first said i thought you were town. (That i could be wrong)

VOTE: norwee

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irchers always lhf. why is that ever a wagon on day 1 atp?

isn't t3 also? do you have any spicy scumreads?

yeah but i still give reading him a shot because i think him as town is a little more obvi. idr if i had a good read record on him though.

i get townread more as scum.

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And if Noraa is town

ouchie this backtracking is going a little tooooo fast

The fuck? I’m not backtracking.
I’m expressing that my reads are never 100%. And i literally said the same thing when i first said i thought you were town. (That i could be wrong)

VOTE: norwee

why does this bother you more than roden's backtracking?

i don't care that much about the backtracking. i don't think town norwee would be this aggressive towards those who are scumreading him.
in mbos 13 (towngame) norwee actually engaged with the players who were tunneling him and resolved it, meanwhile inopen draft mafia (scumgame) norwee just completely shut down after mastina started tunneling him.

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Yeah T3 is looking pretty bad.

also a little bit of opportunism

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T3, that is called cherrypicking games. You can see a lot of games where i act pissy towards those that scumread me as town.

link?

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Admittedly, 672 was something that definitely stood out for me from this slot. This is just so lazy... like, a 0 for effort.

I have a problem with

mastina

's slot, but an even bigger problem with players who brush someone whose behavior is questionable, but, in my opinion, consistent. It is my understanding that

mastina

does her thing more often than not.

mastina does a lot of hocus pocus to get her reads and trying to read her off of her reads is just bad

Plus, none of these reads have

ever

been elaborated on:

not in the mood for analysis. long day.
mush is scum, ceph, bell, and std are town

lld is lean town
norwee, ircher are lean scum

One post which indicates actual game-reading reasoning I found is here:

i don't care that much about the backtracking. i don't think town norwee would be this aggressive towards those who are scumreading him.
in mbos 13 (towngame) norwee actually engaged with the players who were tunneling him and resolved it, meanwhile inopen draft mafia (scumgame) norwee just completely shut down after mastina started tunneling him.

But actually I'd say the fact that someone gets easily agitated is a townread not a scumread?

I think this has a better shot at being scum than

Ircher

or

mastina

. I'm more hesitant on

Roden

and

The Three Bears

are such a clusterfuck I honestly don't know what to think of them.

VOTE: T3

this is kind of amisrep
i'm saying that town norwee specifically gets agitated.