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Did u mean to post this in ur scum threadIn post 16, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Hopefully i die early and won’t be too much of an part in the upcoming madness.
I’ll also try to be more chill this game since i tend to easily lose my temper."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener- Cephrir
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I was mostly joking chill bruhIn post 23, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Just make a blind vote and be boring Norwee, when will you ever learn…"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener- Cephrir
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Would you care to elaborate?
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Dear D.I.A.R.Y.,
So far the mission is going according to plan. No one has figured out that I'm an alien. The earthlings are... "friendly," as they say. I have much to learn about this culture. As of yet, I have not identified any Bad Earthlings. I hope the others can assist me, as the combination of my superior deductive capabilities and Earthling knowledge of their own traditions should surely be formidable.
Yours,
Ce'phyy
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how dare i attempt to have fun. i should be burned at the stake for this heinous crimeIn post 63, MUSHSHAGANA wrote:
Look if you didn't want to get burned down early then you should've used your noggin before you fluffposted, now its too late and that's your problem not mineIn post 61, Cephrir wrote:ah, good, we're going to have ~fun~ this game"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener- Cephrir
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i'd be interested in seeing you try to explain this without copying LLD's homeworkIn post 70, MUSHSHAGANA wrote:
Fluff isn't a crimeIn post 68, Cephrir wrote:
how dare i attempt to have fun. i should be burned at the stake for this heinous crimeIn post 63, MUSHSHAGANA wrote:
Look if you didn't want to get burned down early then you should've used your noggin before you fluffposted, now its too late and that's your problem not mineIn post 61, Cephrir wrote:ah, good, we're going to have ~fun~ this game
It's the scum poking out of it"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener- Cephrir
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i mean it sucks that i'm not allowed to entertain myself according to you, yesIn post 73, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:This isn't a general motivation scumread Ceph.
It's a YOU read. I'm sorry if that feels shitty but I drew green and I'm kind of obligated to drink em if I got em
i don't think i would make any risky posts as scum early in this game knowing that you are playing, and i am not so dense as to think that post wouldn't draw attention to me"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener- Cephrir
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what is the harm in elaborating on that further?
i was thinking of doing this gimmick before receiving my role PM based on my vague impression of what the game is about (i have watched someone play it for exactly 5 minutes), if that helps"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener- Cephrir
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you expect me to catch scum? when have i ever done thatIn post 86, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
I would argue your ability to do it and your success rate goes up if you are green over red butIn post 84, Cephrir wrote:i have to imagine my ability to suss out what i need to do to evade a bad outcome isn't actually related to the color of my role pm, it would be my ability to execute on it that would change
If you wanna bus for cred I will give you cred too. Lol"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener- Cephrir
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i can give that a shot i supposeIn post 92, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
I mean you were the only one to catch me in several different games where you were left alive because of your lack of ability to convince people and then killed as the final vote.In post 89, Cephrir wrote:
you expect me to catch scum? when have i ever done thatIn post 86, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
I would argue your ability to do it and your success rate goes up if you are green over red butIn post 84, Cephrir wrote:i have to imagine my ability to suss out what i need to do to evade a bad outcome isn't actually related to the color of my role pm, it would be my ability to execute on it that would change
If you wanna bus for cred I will give you cred too. Lol
I believe in your ability to catch. Not your ability to push. Both are normally required hence the failure rate.
But now you have my angy firebird self at your heels and possibly willing to push something of yours to test your alignment.
So you only need to solve, not push this time.
So do the work. If you are town, i trust myself to see it. If you arent, I trust myself to kill you.
i'm not sure if my reads are actually better than random unless i put on my effort hat, i just know better than to trust you"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener- Cephrir
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i don't think you have made any claims about me specifically? your case is based on a general statement?In post 106, MUSHSHAGANA wrote:Ircher why do you think I'm making any claims about Cephrir specifically and not a general statement about anyone in the circumstances Cephrir finds himself in"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener- Cephrir
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i would still like a more thorough explanation of post 80 mush
if you're right and i'm scum, then i will surely have already relayed what mistake i made to my scumteam, so i don't see what the harm could be in outing your secret flavor read"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener- Cephrir
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i don't care if people notice me this game because i'm townIn post 120, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
What?In post 78, Cephrir wrote:
i mean it sucks that i'm not allowed to entertain myself according to you, yesIn post 73, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:This isn't a general motivation scumread Ceph.
It's a YOU read. I'm sorry if that feels shitty but I drew green and I'm kind of obligated to drink em if I got em
i don't think i would make any risky posts as scum early in this game knowing that you are playing, and i am not so dense as to think that post wouldn't draw attention to me
So you make risky posts as town but not scum. Is what you’re saying?
Why make risky posts at all if you identify them as such?"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener- Cephrir
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that means absolutely nothing to me or to anyone else who doesn't know the flavor, so i don't consider this an explanationIn post 123, MUSHSHAGANA wrote:Its not a secret. Your role PM is like blatantly either Trench or Dylan full stop send tweet"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener- Cephrir
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i am also neither of those charactersIn post 133, MUSHSHAGANA wrote:
Are you Cephrir thoughIn post 130, Dwlee99 wrote:I am neither trench nor dylan"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener- Cephrir
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@norwegian
In post 87, Bell wrote:Fos three bears.
Fos ceph.
Ircher is projecting my projection into his own projection he is hiding secrets! I am joking.
But maybe not.
Oops.
I am posting. I said I wasn’t gunna do that.
No, this isn’t a crumb.In post 93, Bell wrote:Who killed LLD and replaced her with generic good player variation #5In post 98, Bell wrote:Cephrir’s only hang up is that he hates that people expect him to get mad when he’s town.
i think all of these posts are +town. they read naturally and come off as being at ease and open with information. it is my belief that scum bell would not be at ease.In post 105, Bell wrote:
It’s true. I am fairly good at getting reflex reads as scum. It’s later on when I have ~le trobles~In post 102, Ircher wrote:
Nah, it's too early to make that read.In post 99, Cephrir wrote:bell is town, but i don't expect any points for that brain blast"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener- Cephrir
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ur cuteIn post 145, Save The Dragons wrote:
socks are softIn post 143, Arcade Pals wrote:
That is quite aggressive. Might I suggest a softer solution?In post 141, Save The Dragons wrote:
i want to beat up this post and wear it as a sockIn post 126, Arcade Pals wrote:In post 118, Save The Dragons wrote:i'm not following the logic
weird cephy could be scum cephy but i'm not sure it is, ceph often goes into things with plans to do crazy things sometimes so i believe the "i was going to do this before i got my role PM"
ceph's also a good enough talker to probably get out of being scum read if he is scum so i'm not sure what LLD's end goal is
This feels like a long worded fence post and not in a good way. I doubt Ceph will be exe'd due to their current posting and the wagon is only three votes. But, maybe I'm being a little harsh given how slow the game is.In post 119, Save The Dragons wrote:i don't necessarily town read cephy though i should say
Did you just call someone out for fence sitting and fence sit in the same post?
Yes.
my non-exhaustive observation of your games has led me to believe that you are less charismatic as town, but the intentional obtuseness and ignoring the question here does track with my internal model
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In post 192, Bell wrote:I should probably shut up now. As much as I love to post. I have dumped enough to coast as town for the next week or two.
Just as planned.
if u don't have bell town yet u are streets behindIn post 194, Bell wrote:*ignores ircher*"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener- Cephrir
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Okay, well, if you want to be read by whatever you post solely then I won't be questioning you. It's not like I can force you to respond either.In post 210, MUSHSHAGANA wrote:Greeting, buddy, I think you are the only one other than Ircher who doesn't get the first two parts by now, its not like I've been hiding shit this game, I gave up that conniving scheming playstyle after the fiasco of Mtn Dew Mafia. I am an open book come and read me
As for why, I'm gonna save it till you decide to accept what the entire rest of the player list has, purely because it amuses me to watch you get held up on this small simple thing
I'll leave judging what's a small simple thing to myself, and it would be a small simple thing if it wasn't part of a chain of small simple things that form a pattern.
While catching up with the thread their behavior struck me quite strongly with the amount of fluff they're posting. They seem to be masking it with an aggressive and trollish posting style. None of their votes seem serious, none of the things they post seem serious.In post 188, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:What is your read on Mush?
They latch to random players for what seems to me no valid reason. And yet that doesn't stop them from latching on toCephrirfor doing the same thing (80).
They refuse to answer to questions themselves. And yet that doesn't stop them from questioningDwlee99(67).
They're deliberately making unclear statements for reasons unknown, and I don't see how any of them aid the town cause (54 among most of their posts actually).
I think that creating unnecessary confusion is a scum tell to be fair.
VOTE: MUSHSHAGANAX
In post 223, The Three Bears wrote:Quick skim up and only looking for my name. I am scum read after posting exactly one post. Quite an overreaction :/
Mush is scum for none of the reasons they said. I just hate the tone of every single post they've posted. It really doesn't feel like the town Mush I know. I get that it's really been a while but I don't feel like people change this much. I might do some meta to check that, we'll see. Town Mush to me is very much passionate about the game but Mush is being too passionate in a way that makes me want to actively discredit them here. It's hard to explain but essentially it feels exaggerated and it's the way to make yourself seem less "threatening". It sort of makes it so that when people try to scum read you, they question if you genuinely believe something and it gives them that little pause. I'm in a survivor mindset at the moment but it's the idea that mush is subconsciously (or purposefully) actively trying to seem less threatening. It just makes people not want to vote you.
I don't know how to explain it right now. It's purely tonal and I don't think my explanation does it any justice.
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what's wrong with unnecessary posts?In post 246, The Three Bears wrote:But so many posts just feel unnecessary. I can't get over that."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener- Cephrir
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i got it down to 3 based on the info you're handing out like candy and i think this puts it down to 1, but i've been wrong beforeIn post 405, Tet wrote:
Even if I told you, you wouldn't know. But I'll take all the townreads so.In post 400, Cephrir wrote:meh. that reaction didn't change my bears read at all.
how does anyone still fall for fake dayvigs, it's so old hat.
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i am not townreading mush, but i didn't think your reasons for scumreading mush were goodIn post 455, The Three Bears wrote:On the topic of Cephy, I don't have a read but one thing I found weird was that he jumped on Mush for being defensive but then also gave my posts an 'x'. If he thought mush and i were svs, that would be weird. I'm also just all around confused on what his read on Mush is. I think though that Fenny saying that he had a decent read on Cephy makes me feel better about him.
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Comfy in my usual spot at the bottom of mastina's read list. Should I even bother trying to wring reasons from a stone. It's so tiresome.
Wanna turn over a new leaf this game and say why without doing that thing where you say it just feels like scum 5 different ways?"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener- Cephrir
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First paragraph: I dont get where the confidence is coming from here. They did explain it already, and I agree with themIn post 525, MUSHSHAGANA wrote:Tet I don't see shit buddy, how bout you explain it to me so I can LOL abt it
mastina Idk what your Deal is with the town/scum "sorting" you're doing BUUUUUUUUT I don't like it can you explain the fuckin reads you're doing please thanks in advance!!! Also what the fuck I trust LLD every game I play with her to date tbh it should be NAI LOL
Second: no, she can't. If you expect logic from everyone you are not going to like mastina."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener- Cephrir
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i'll just give it a go: i believe tet's point is that your initial argument against me shouldn't be mitigated by any actions i take after the fact. if you believe i've scumslipped, then it shouldn't make a difference whether my posts are good"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener- Cephrir
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considering i know this to be true, i agree!In post 539, MUSHSHAGANA wrote:But like its not hard to believe you might have come up with "alien imposter" shit on your own also????
i think people usually see scumslips as binary and if you don't that may be where the disconnect is"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener- Cephrir
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i think this is townIn post 548, Greeting wrote:
Thanks for responding.In post 473, Ircher wrote:As promised, here are some examples of MUSH's fallacious logic.
According to MUSH, Cephrir is scum for 57 because it isn't likely to have come from a town role pm. Let me point out some of the various ways this argument is fallacious:In post 80, MUSHSHAGANA wrote:The content of your post reads EXACTLY in theme with a specific part of Control, but its a part that wouldn't be very likely to come up in a green role PM. If you hadn't fluffposted without thinking through the consequences of your actions you might have been fine, but instead you fluffposted in a way that gave the game away, precisely because you didn't know what you were talking about. Sorry bud
1: It presupposes that Cephrir is familiar with the source material. This is evidently false because in 57, Cephrir explicitly states he is not familiar with the source material. You may argue that it's scum indicative regardless, but there's nothing preventing someone with a town alignment who is unfamiliar with the source material from making the exact same post. While it may be true perhaps that a scum role pm may make such a post more likely (I wouldn't know as I don't know the source material), it is at best a marginal difference.
2: It also presupposes that Cephrir's role is directly related to the post at hand and that Cephrir pulled material from his role pm to make that post. There is no evidence in favor of this assumption; in fact, later posts highly suggest this is not the case as Cephrir denied MUSH's guess in 123.
The following two go together.In post 106, MUSHSHAGANA wrote:Ircher why do you think I'm making any claims about Cephrir specifically and not a general statement about anyone in the circumstances Cephrir finds himself in
MUSH's argument here is that I am scum at least in part because I misinterpreted one of MUSH's earlier posts as being a specific observation about Cephrir rather than a general observation. For reference, the post I misinterpreted was 63:In post 111, MUSHSHAGANA wrote:Ceph and I have never played together, there is no meta being used here
I guess you're still scum. Great job bolstering my early hypothesis
I would like to point out that if you are reading chronologically (and thus haven't seen the elaboration in 80, then it is very easy to interpret this post as MUSH scum reading fluffposting in general. My assumption was since that in the general case, that does not equate scum, there must have been something specific between MUSH and Cephrir that led to Cephrir's post being scummy in MUSH's eyes. 70 does not contradict my initial assumption; in fact, it reinforced it. Finally, there was also Lady Lambdadelta's take in 71, and her take is in fact a meta read. These factors combined, my original assumption, while incorrect, was reasonable. The issue here is that MUSH is trying to twist this around and paint it as scum!me protecting scum!Cephrir. MUSH is completely ignoring the "how would town come to this assumption" and instead jumps straight to the conclusion that reinforces MUSH's own preexisting bias. The argument that I am scum for making an incorrect assumption is fallacious because it completely ignores all the other equally plausible scenario and instead picks the one that fits in the most with MUSH's narrative.In post 63, MUSHSHAGANA wrote:Look if you didn't want to get burned down early then you should've used your noggin before you fluffposted, now its too late and that's your problem not mine
I've also read into the wholeCephrirthing and I think it's missing the information on what kind of insider information did they reveal. So maybe it's not fallacious reasoningper se, but definitely lacking some explanation that should have been there.
And also, there is the issue of how that wagon was suddenly dropped in favour of voting out you.
I agree with what has been said in the second part of your post and that's also part of my objection with regard toMUSHSHAGANA's slot too. Thing is, there's a lot of strong voices in defense of this slot which involves that player's meta and it's made me more hesitant to go with that too. Which is why I dropped it.
I think this post is good enough for me to not want to vote outIrcheryetafter all."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener- Cephrir
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i feel like he didIn post 573, MUSHSHAGANA wrote:Like. Can you explain why's Roden scum and not bad town here LOL
do you need to dunk on every idea anyone presents"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener- Cephrir
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what's dishonest about that? if someone thinks you've performed a scummy action are they obligated to let you go if you hit the right note?In post 578, Roden wrote:Even if it were true, you're saying you'd scum read me if I stayed the course and still scum read me if I walked it back. That's a pretty dishonest way to try to read me"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener- Cephrir
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ooh, threats!! my unvote is on its way now for sure!!In post 591, Roden wrote:I'd appreciate it if you stopped trying to make yourself mis-elim bait."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener- Cephrir
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"Scumreading you whether you walk back what you said or not"In post 591, Roden wrote:
That isn't what I said. Scum reading someone no matter what they say or do, and explicitly making it clear that that's what you're doing, isn't a real attempt at reading somebody.In post 583, Cephrir wrote:
what's dishonest about that? if someone thinks you've performed a scummy action are they obligated to let you go if you hit the right note?In post 578, Roden wrote:Even if it were true, you're saying you'd scum read me if I stayed the course and still scum read me if I walked it back. That's a pretty dishonest way to try to read me
"Scumreading you no matter what you say or do"
these aren't the same. you seem to have an issue with revisionism, friend!"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener- Cephrir
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you really think blustering is a good substitute for playing the game, huh?In post 598, Roden wrote:You really like making your life difficult for no reason, huh?"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener- Cephrir
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lol come on. girl, you a parody of yourself.In post 607, mastina wrote:I genuinely think it's honestly the best readslist I've made"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener- Cephrir
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there is not a single reason anywhere to be found here, as per usual. put up or shut up.In post 621, mastina wrote:
Yes, but also:In post 608, Arcade Pals wrote:These?
This is, very obviously, Cephrir's scumgame. LLD was dead on the money with her accusation there. If I wasn't sheeping LLD's vote on Ircher I'd be voting Ceph to be honest because he's transparently scum and has been since page two.In post 506, mastina wrote:Lady Lambdadelta
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This is, very obviously, not Ircher's towngame. LLD's suspicion there is dead on the money and her accusation there is good, so I am all too happy to sheep her there because she's right.
Arcade Pals instantly gave off incredibly bad vibes and while they're not as lockscum as Ircher and Cephrir are, they're still pretty damn suspect.
MegAzumarill is also pretty sketchy, although from memory I don't remember why. I can say that if I were to quote Meg's posts though it'd instantly stand out, similar to the way Arcade Pals and Galron would.
Galron just seems like obvscum here from the getgo, in a way similar to MegAzumarill and Arcade Pals, albeit my lack of familiarity with him and the comparatively minor nature of the scumness means he's higher on the list.
Toogeloo is a blank for me because they're Toog, honestly. I don't know how to read Toog. I just don't. And even if I thought I could (I know I can't), from Toog's content so far, I've got no read one way or another.
T3's content so far has been distressingly not town, but also not alarmingly scum.
Mush I can't get a read on, but I'm sheeping LLD's townread there.
Greeting is obviously town and pretty damn transparently so.
Ditto with Princess Elodie.
This is Dwlee's towngame here pretty obviously as well.
Malakittens I feel doesn't make her V/LA post in the way she did if she's scum so I think that she's town here.
tictac has made it instantly and very obvious that he's town here, from not just the claim but also play, where he's pushing, etc.
Roden, this is the town Roden I've seen before I'm like 90% sure of that.
Tet, knowing who Tet is, is very very VERY obviously town playing their towngame.
This is the towniest Norwee has ever been ever, so he's just obvtown.
StD is also the towniest he's ever been, at least if you know his meta (which by now, I do). This is NOT StD as scum, at all, whatsoever.
Bell's an open book to read. He's posting so he's town. Purely by play, this is my strongest townread.
LLD and The Three Bears are genuinely modslipped to be conftown. Even if they weren't, I think that LLD's town here and The Three Bears are quite painfully obviously town. Three Bears would probably be my second-strongest townread behind Bell (although with StD and Norwee in the running with Tet not far behind, it's a very close call since genuinely Three Bears StD Norwee Tet and Bell are all just THAT town this game), but the modslip elevates them even higher.
All of these reads I'm incredibly confident in and I legit think that this is genuinely my best D1 readslist of all time.
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