Open 843 - Divide & Conquer - Game Over!

[Brighter Puppy]

VOTE: Puppy

first scum identified

[Brighter Puppy]

i refuse to participate in voting this early because i find random shitposting better than random voting

[Brighter Puppy]

Cryptography - is forbidden. Breadcrumbing is okay.

Listen, if ur okay with breadcrumbs everywhere thats how u get fuckin ants man.
Not okay.

[Brighter Puppy]

is neighborhood groups public?

[Brighter Puppy]

On night zero, one mafia goon neighborizes two townies, and the other mafia goon neighborizes the remaining players.

ngl i thought this meant that there was one confirmed townie neighborhood (2 plaeyrs) and everyone else was unconfirmed. this being (1 group of 2/1 and other 5/1 makes more sense)

especially when im like...wait where that last one go?

[Brighter Puppy]

so wouldn't scum strategy be put the people hardest to sort in group 1 and some of the easier to sort people in group 2?
i think that would be best plan here if ur plan on slow rolling this game....

[Brighter Puppy]

Group Alpha:
Dunnstral
Dwlee99
Save The Dragons
Brighter Puppy
Kuriyama
Prism

Group Beta:
Todoroki
innocentvillager
mc esther

idk think this grouping alone says mc esther is scum in group beta

[Brighter Puppy]

if we get the scum in group alpha how does this not become an instant win for town on day 1

[Brighter Puppy]

this is firebringer posting rn, yeah?

ye

[Brighter Puppy]

unless scum can make it so the game is 3 town in one hood and 2 in other. I don't see how this game doesn't instantly just get broken with a town win day 1 if we yeet scum in group 2.
Doesn't that instant mean we elim everyone in second group and win. I must be missing something

[Brighter Puppy]

theres more incentive for scum to buss person in group 1 today then scum to buss group 2, so we get extremely good associations on anyone pushing people in group 1 pushing people in group 2. (other way around)

so i might actually keep track of pushes more today than i normally would

[Brighter Puppy]

Group 1 better be hunting exclusively in group 2 today. I don't care about group 1 except for when i need to look back at associations.
I say group 1 is off the table!


pedit no lets call it alpha and beta

[Brighter Puppy]

Beta better be hunting exclusively in Alpha today. I don't care about beta except for when i need to look back at associations.
I say beta is off the table!


pedit no lets call it alpha and beta

corrected my nomenclature

[Brighter Puppy]

dwlee gonna buss?

[Brighter Puppy]

well gl with that. lets see how mc esther responds

[Brighter Puppy]

i want to see good scum theatre

[Brighter Puppy]

i prefer hunting in alpha group.
that way we instant win, but u do u.

Bussing aint gonna make u townie in my eyes!

[Brighter Puppy]

1/5 odds is my kind of gambling anyways

[Brighter Puppy]

But if we lim in beta aren't we guaranteed to hit at least one scum

if we keep yeeting in that group, but that means we lose 2 misyeets if we guess wrong.
It doesn't really help if we yeet both town. And if we guess wrong once and yeet right one it just means other one dies at night
we be in the same scenario

[Brighter Puppy]

I think beta eliminating looks appealing on surface because of higher initial odds, but actually is a LIE once u really think about it and the chances of us messing up and then not even really get to enjoy perks of having say 2 confirmed townies.

LETS GO LONG BOIS AND GIRLS

[Brighter Puppy]

notsci, we are hunting in group alpha today.
U go figure out scum in beta hood.

[Brighter Puppy]

If i was scum would i be yelling how we should eliminate in our group to instant win?

don't answer that. i know the answer is yes

[Brighter Puppy]

and i don't believe u have a scumread on me.
so theres that

[Brighter Puppy]

i feel like ur just searching for reasons to throw at me at this point to see what can stick

[Brighter Puppy]

So you think I'm mafia who brought you in large group to attack you directly and tunnel you immediately off the bat?

actually i think ur town. so now im gonna stop talking to u.
Goodbye

[Brighter Puppy]

Can you explain why you think mc esther would be the scum in the second group?

my line of thinking is innocent villager is less easy to read, and todoraki being hydra of notsci (who gets misread quite often) and i have no opinion on lukewarm

So i was thinking it was safer for mc esther to hide

[Brighter Puppy]

Why does everyone say I’m difficult to read

i don't think ur actually extremely hard. I just think people misread u enough that it would be better choice to have u in beta group

[Brighter Puppy]

Since when is IV tricky to read

Did he graduate too

from my memory he isn't easy??
I haven't played with him in like ever though

[Brighter Puppy]

God Fire, i thought u were gonna shitpost. Not tryhard.
I’m already trying not to fall asleep.

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

Since when is IV tricky to read

Did he graduate too

i am easy to read! i am town!

seeeeeeee

now i think it isn't mc esther!!!!!!!!

[Brighter Puppy]

God Fire, i thought u were gonna shitpost. Not tryhard.
I’m already trying not to fall asleep.

- Norwee

I WILL SHIT POST WHEN I FEEL LIKE IT AND U WILL LIKE IT

[Brighter Puppy]

Just here to tank my slot so Fire will deal with the mess.

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

okay kuriyama town

i figured this out way before u. catch up

[Brighter Puppy]

Oh shit if that’s all we have to do I’m town too

hard pocketed

[Brighter Puppy]

Why does everyone say I’m difficult to read

I also would have picked Dunn instead of someone random if I was scum tbh

Or fire

Someone cool but also *actually* hard to read

Why put hard to read players in the group of 3 instead of the group of 6?

so its easier to hide in beta group. Duh

[Brighter Puppy]

Oh shit if that’s all we have to do I’m town too

I guess MC Esther has to be scum in the 3 group then

I said this page 1.
Get on my level punk

[Brighter Puppy]

Oh shit if that’s all we have to do I’m town too

I guess MC Esther has to be scum in the 3 group then

I said this page 1.
Get on my level punk

It's easy when you can just look in your role pm to see who scum is

I never said it was difficult

[Brighter Puppy]

Dwlee99 is town.

I have 2 townreads in my grouping.
Slowly and efficiently am i narrowing my pool.
3 more to go to find the scum butt

[Brighter Puppy]

can i solve this game before page 6?

[Brighter Puppy]

no strong feelings

[Brighter Puppy]

wait why am i answering ur questions. i don't care what ur read on me is.
Keep the scumread on me.

I am the only one allowed correct reads

[Brighter Puppy]

i get that killing the scum in the group of 6 is autowin but i feel it's just so unlikely

Group Alpha*

[Brighter Puppy]

fwiw, i think regardless of whether it's optimal, scum probably believe the "hard to read in smaller group" theory, and that i probably ended up in that group on those grounds ("nobody knows me" is pretty similar to "hard to read" imo).

i also think firebringer wouldntve put me in the smaller group.

no if it was me i would picked myself, save the dragons and todoraki

[Brighter Puppy]

i feel as though killing in group of 6 is a waste of time and we are gambling too hard. if we hit town we are not much closer to solving that group. i think someone would need to be really scummy or the group of 3 would have to be really hard for us to not want to go group of 3.

I live for the risk/reward we get for yeeting scum in alpha group.
WE GOING FOR IT INNOCENT, GET ON THE HYPE TRAIN

[Brighter Puppy]

fwiw, i think regardless of whether it's optimal, scum probably believe the "hard to read in smaller group" theory, and that i probably ended up in that group on those grounds ("nobody knows me" is pretty similar to "hard to read" imo).

i also think firebringer wouldntve put me in the smaller group.

no if it was me i would picked myself, save the dragons and todoraki

y?

1) each is harder for others to read
2) pretty confident i could pocket both of them.
3) i enjoy notsci and std enough that it would be enjoyable pt for me.

[Brighter Puppy]

So, would love to skip all of the mech back and forth and just all agree to kill in the big hood. Thanks!

Alpha*

[Brighter Puppy]

Hey, I was in a previous running of this game.

There ended up being a lot of discussion on which hood to kill in first. After lots and lots of back and forth mech talk, it was decided that killing in the big hood first is better. Despite that, we killed scum in the small hood day one, and then proceeded to lose the game.

I don't remember all of the math on why it is better, but that was Bingle's final conclusion, and I trust Bingle's set up spec better then my own anyways.

Spoiler:

I know, I know. Bingle was scum that game.

But then he stood by it in the ghost chat, and he also said it in the original run of this set up, he had the same conclusion

So, would love to skip all of the mech back and forth and just all agree to kill in the big hood. Thanks!

did scum put more thought into beta group than other groups with the same line of thinking i had? (harder to read players in beta and rest go to alpha?)

[Brighter Puppy]

norwee played this game 2 before and didn't even correct my wrong assumption on 2 player hoods...smh

[Brighter Puppy]

LOL NORWEE BEING THE ONE TOWN NOT VOTING OUT SCUM IN THE FIRST RUN AND WINS GMAE ANYWAYS.

im totally going to make fun of him in our hydra pt for this

[Brighter Puppy]

norwee played this game 2 before and didn't even correct my wrong assumption on 2 player hoods...smh

I actually have a very hard time believing Norwee didn't tell you anything about how to play this setup in your hydra chat.

yeah ur right. he told me everything, then i told him "okay i will go play dumb"

[Brighter Puppy]

yeah ur right. he told me everything, then i told him "okay i will go play dumb"

so what did you two talk about?

what r u the fbi?
U got to subpoenna our private conversations if u want the fully juicy discussions.
I can't give out our secret list of rankings of players by attractiveness

[Brighter Puppy]

what r u the fbi?
U got to subpoenna our private conversations if u want the fully juicy discussions.
I can't give out our secret list of rankings of players by attractiveness

How unpleasant.

and proud of it

[Brighter Puppy]

ur under the false assumption i care about correcting ur read on me by engaging dialogue for u to get a better read.
I already sorted u.
This conversation doesn't benefit me to help u make a better read.
I could care less if ur wrong.

U continuing it will not get support from me in helping u along.
U either take what i say as me speaking truthfully or u don't.

I am not helping ur read on me when u continue saying u doubt what i say. Talk to my attorney. I don't need to read u anymore cause i sorted u in town.

[Brighter Puppy]

norwee never even told me he played this game before.
but hey u can talk to him if u want.

[Brighter Puppy]

i actually really despise being read either way for dumbtelling because ive faked dumbtelling as scum before to get townread.
This is why i said u should ignore it as a read.

I didn't know, and I have been dumb before as scum legitimately and people townread me for it also, so its like already said "don't read into me being a dumbass that much"

[Brighter Puppy]

i actually really despise being read either way for dumbtelling because ive faked dumbtelling as scum before to get townread.

That's what Kuriyama is saying

Do u think i don't see kuriyama point of view.

[Brighter Puppy]

fun fact norwee trolled me by saying we were scum and said we should put ourselves and innocentvillager in hood together and that we should then argue that scum just everyone to be paranoid on us. (this was before hoods announced)

[Brighter Puppy]

i asked him who does he think we will be paired with/who does he want to be paired with. he responds with okay we scum, who should we pair with (before i even saw role pm) then he suggest pairing with innocentvillager and dialogue about strategy to lim him and say scum want everyone paranoid us. then i ask him if we are really scum or is he memeing (we had a pre role pm discussion of what we would rather be and i said hydra is better as town than scum)

this was to extend of basically all our discussions of the game besides "WHEN IS THIS GAME STARTING. WHY ARE WE STILL IN NIGHT 0. WHEN WILL THIS START"

[Brighter Puppy]

norwee is a bully!

[Brighter Puppy]

also i think dunn's town

why
none of what dunn has done can't be faked easily from scumdunn

[Brighter Puppy]

in fact i would go as far as to say dunn is one im leaning most into as scum just cause i haven't heard much from prism and STD

[Brighter Puppy]

Pav can you post the neighbor groups since they're public info?

I'll be out hiking all day but will try to evaluate shit later

Don't know how other games played this but I expect it to be shoot in 3 down the line, 3 way at worst is fine and extra elims are a bonus.

only post by prism and i got nothing from it

[Brighter Puppy]

i feel the opposite. in fact his questions are pretty bad
i don't think the answers lead to read-wise and town dunn would care about them
and his last response to me and kuriyama looked like scum seeing a tvt fight and trying to egg on kuriyama

[Brighter Puppy]

Group Alpha:
Dunnstral
Dwlee99
Save The Dragons
Brighter Puppy
Kuriyama
Prism

Group Beta:
Todoroki
innocentvillager
mc esther

idk think this grouping alone says mc esther is scum in group beta

Can you explain why you think mc esther would be the scum in the second group?

okay question

Why does everyone say I’m difficult to read

I also would have picked Dunn instead of someone random if I was scum tbh

Or fire

Someone cool but also *actually* hard to read

Why put hard to read players in the group of 3 instead of the group of 6?

terrible question

[Brighter Puppy]

Notsci don't u think u hunting in beta group is waste of time.
WE GOT SCUM IN ALPHA TO CATCH AND I NEED UR THOUGHTS THERE

don't distract

[Brighter Puppy]

i should go back to shitposting.
tryhard is not my suit

[Brighter Puppy]

put notsci on the phone i wish to speak with him

[Brighter Puppy]

so that i can

manipulate

convince him i have game winning strategy

[Brighter Puppy]

i think alpha route actually still has higher odds and i don't think ur calculating math completely right.
say we miss on elim scum in alpha today. game becomes (1/3 and 1/5 scum have to shoot one of groups more likely to shoot in alpha if they are worried about getting poed maybe in smaller, so lets say next day its 1/3 and 1/4 if its another mis yeet then it becomes optimal to kill in either group because 1/3 and 1/3 - so it becomes a 1/3 and 1/2 situation in either if we finally get scum in say the 3 group then we still have a confirmed town left to solve the game giving u a 50/50 scenario.

if we go back to original and take say elim scum day 1 in group 1/3 then by day 3 we have no confirmed town for remaining of the game.
If we elim in alpha at any time we would get at LEAST 2 confirmed town with at least one at endgame no matter how badly we played (unless we just mislim the whole game).
Alpha route is actually better for getting confirmed towns and having them alive in endgame. Even if we have higher chance of misyeets.

[Brighter Puppy]

Say we misyeet no matter what we did today in either grouping here is where are at
Beta route:
1/2 and 1/5 (assuming scum don't be stupid and just give away teammate) - if we get it right at this point in beta then confirmed townie dies and we have no confirmed townie for remaining of game
Alpha route:
1/3 and 1/4 (assuming scum decide to thin crowd in alpha still) if we get rid of scum successfully in alpha here we have 3 townies so we would have a endgame confirmed townie in a 1/2 1 scenario

Option 2 is a much better position to be in

[Brighter Puppy]

Like I think a fairly reasonable thing for norwee to say to you if you were town is "I won the first running of this setup as town when we eliminated scum in large group d1 and we lost the second running of this setup as town when we eliminated scum in small group d1, so we should aim for large group to go for that d1 win"

Which makes your entry into today feel kind of weird and intentionally oblivious to me. So you're saying he didn't say that to you, and I'm asking you, what did he say to you?

I'm asking now because he's probably asleep right now.

Why you think i would be so helpful to Fire.
I literally just making fun of him in our hydra chat this entire time.

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

Perhaps I expect too much of Norwee.

Yes. I just complained about how this game is too serious and doesn’t have enough memes.
I was not setting up plans and being some kind of master strategist. I like to just play the game and see how things go, and act based on the present. Now is past experiences useful? Sure, but i don’t think to bring it up until i have a good reason too.

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

i asked him who does he think we will be paired with/who does he want to be paired with. he responds with okay we scum, who should we pair with (before i even saw role pm) then he suggest pairing with innocentvillager and dialogue about strategy to lim him and say scum want everyone paranoid us. then i ask him if we are really scum or is he memeing (we had a pre role pm discussion of what we would rather be and i said hydra is better as town than scum)

this was to extend of basically all our discussions of the game besides "WHEN IS THIS GAME STARTING. WHY ARE WE STILL IN NIGHT 0. WHEN WILL THIS START"

why me?

You’re my (self-imposed) GREATEST rival in this playerlist.
I still remember that time i had pocketed the entire playerlist but you just wouldn’t stup sussing me!! Norwee NEVER forgets such DISLOYALTY!

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

Anyway here's a math post:

If we lim in group beta chance of winning is:

1/3(1/6 + (5/6)(1/5) + (5/6)(4/5)(1/3)) [hit scum D1] + 1/3(1/5 + (4/5)(1/3)) [D2] + 1/3(1/3) [D3] =~ 45%

Alpha math is more complicated cause I can't tell if scum should shoot in alpha or beta if we lim in alpha

The world is spinning around and around… I’m so confused…

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

I think limming in bigger pool is better since another Bingle endgame scenario would suck…
Never underestimate the tremendous hubris and ego an day 1 scumflip brings! The greatest downfall of townies, for they will make ALL the wrong conclusions.
But if we day 1 scumflip in big hood we just win so whatevs lmao.

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

i guess i still don't understand why you would specifically want me in a hood with you? is it to fight me basically? i mean you know how annoying i get as town when attacked right?

Yes and that would be funny.

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

Because then Fire would need to clean up the mess.

See where i'm going with this?

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

I agree with the above mech

I also agree with the aforementioned mech.
And i also agree with this post agreeing on the mech.

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

I'm reading again and people calling the groups a million names and trying to assign an arbitrary one is tilting me. Brighter clearly mixes up their own nomenclature at one point and it's a giant headache to sort through.

Use the actual numbers (Eg. Group 3/Group 6, 3hood 6hood), it doesn't add length and is unambiguous.

Alpha and Beta for life

[Brighter Puppy]

I am scumreading a slot in hood Sigma. And i trust codename UNICORN from Delta group in hood Omicron.

[Brighter Puppy]

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

I am scumreading a slot in hood Sigma. And i trust codename UNICORN from Delta group in hood Omicron.

would anyone believe me if i said i understood norwee completely here

~fire

[Brighter Puppy]

so prism is scum in alpha

[Brighter Puppy]

ur arguing math instead of getting reads

[Brighter Puppy]

also would appreciate u not push the apathy i hate this game and people playing it angle. its anti fun for everyone involved. no one is forcing u to play a game u don't like. But i am not going to read into any of that shit.

[Brighter Puppy]

so u going to say u have zero thoughts on players alignments or what.
i disagree with ur "correct strategy" if it is going for beta route never going to side with u on this. So u can "unashamedly" push it all u want

[Brighter Puppy]

This is absolutely the fastest I have ever wanted to selfvote and get out of a game. Record time.

Why you freaking out over nothing.

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

I didn't say i thought it was scum indicative.

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

I'm trying to understand where it comes from. I mean, would scum!you care that much if town made bad arguments?

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

its not indicative of alignment norwee. drop it pls.

[Brighter Puppy]

What. I'm not allowed to read into it? I mean... ok.
Back to lurking then.

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

hmhmhmmm
okay now i want to hear from STD cause him and Dunny are my FOS for the day now.

[Brighter Puppy]

IV, why are you currently voting in the group of 6?

cause its best play

Pav, given that it is public information, is there any chance you can put the hoods into one of the opening posts?

I wanted to consult with the oracle before taking this action. The neighborhood playerlists are now public.

I have declined to provide names for the neighborhoods. That much is up to you all

mod secretly approves of my naming convention but doesn't want to appear to play favorites

[Brighter Puppy]

Fire claims to scumread Dunnstral, so i ask why and he says death to pirates.
This is the level of solving we are dealing with folks.

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

I townread the intense players.

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

Is MC Esther related to MC Hammer?

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

Can you put some names there?

I think that qualified you and Prism? Some others come a bit close, but certainly not enough.

[Brighter Puppy]

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

Then again, are you Pooky? Retract my townread in that case.

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

I've never said Dwlee is out of my POE for large pool.

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

Ok why is your partner focusing on Dunn/STD ~?

Did he talk about his dwlee read at all?

How would i know what he's doing, i'm not his mom.
Do you have questions for me or do you just want to talk to Fire?

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

I'm somewhat assuming he talks to you about the game and your hydra chat is

not

all memes. (Yes I know I have unreasonable expectations)

Well too bad.
I haven't really gotten the big "spark" yet that kickstarts me into tryharding. So right now i am just shitposting cus i feel there's nothing special to talk about. There was that thing with Prism earlier that sparked my interest, but then Fire shot me down on that so now i got nothing special.

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

I mean, gamestatewise this game is boring me to death. There's no serious push on anything.
So memes are my only solace.

Maybe i should make it more exciting by just voting or something.
VOTE: InnocentVillager
Are you town?

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

Oh wait he's tiny hood. Gotta vote from big hood.

VOTE: Dunnstral
Are you town?

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

Now i want to talk to you.

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

How's this for an dating story.
Romantic dinner with an girl that wants to murder you.

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

my urge to kill you keeps going up as I talk to you so I should probably stop doing that.

i like how u have same feelings for my hydra partner as me

[Brighter Puppy]

what lies and blasphemy. Norwee is way more clever and charming than me

[Brighter Puppy]

im basically in the same area/boat as Innocentvillager in reads. Maybe i should put a ring on this and lock him as town this early.
That I am more leaning on todoraki with the increased abscence of notsci but i probably shouldn't read into that.
I don't quite like mc esther posts about me, or how should i say im not sure if i quite think its coming from sorting as i did get when i thought of kuriyama posts on me.
But it didn't sound totally fake...it just didn't come altogether? maybe i just dind't like how it was sort of fence sitty and sort of like "can i push this?" if it was scum posting.

ANyways. DUNNY IS THE VOTE FOR THE FUTURE OF THIS KINGDOM

[Brighter Puppy]

i liked his post about innocentvillager and being focused on if wrong.
I guess its easy to post as scum but it seemed like something town dwlee would more likely make at the time it was made

[Brighter Puppy]

u know i just realized outside of ur read on me being scum i have no clue what ur reads are.
if u think im scum which of todoraki/innocent/mc-esther would be my partner here

considering scum in beta would less inclined to buss alpha, and mc esther would presumably be distancing me....probably not her from ur point of view, right?
doesn't seem like ur too interested in todoraki/innocent players

[Brighter Puppy]

are you going to do anything?

Voting scum is what I do best

what do u do second best

[Brighter Puppy]

Reminder to myself to say something (not an attack dw) to Kuriyama tomorrow

better train up ur dodging skills tonight kuriyama

[Brighter Puppy]

dwlee are u gonna hunt at all in group alpha today

[Brighter Puppy]

dwlee are u gonna hunt at all in group alpha today

Would it make you happier?

whatever makes u happy makes me happy

[Brighter Puppy]

Reminder to myself to say something (not an attack dw) to Kuriyama tomorrow

you can attack me it's fine.

this post would be alot funnier if it was possible u 2 were on a team together
be like coordinating some distance in game thread. "im gonna attack u okay, be prepared" "okay im reayd for it" all under our noses

[Brighter Puppy]

okay now im bored with this game, time to go practice guitar or read.

[Brighter Puppy]

congrats nerd

[Brighter Puppy]

I’m townreading IV, kuriyama, and puppy.

Maybe STD. His vote is bad.

maybe u should sheep me on the DUNNY wagon of DESTINY

pedit holy shit. what a coincidence

[Brighter Puppy]

Puppy why should I vote Dunn

im not a good salesman but have u looked at his questions and thought "these are town questions" or did u get nothing from it.
Dunny gives me worst vibe here.

[Brighter Puppy]

My extremely lazy pull out of my ass reads is that scum in small hood is between InnocentVillager/Mc Esther. And scum in big hood is between Dunn/Dwlee. Have not read the ISO of Mc Esther at all, but i just think that at least Todoroki is town, since i at least remember their posts up to now.

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

From what i gather STD is normal lazy STD asking STD questions so just gonna townbin that unless someone tells me it’s wrong.

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

Oh wait STD doesn’t feel town after rechecking their ISO.
@STD Why you voting in small hood? You gonna "scumhunt anywhere" kay i get that. But why that lead you to Todoroki? :s

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

are u mariar

[Brighter Puppy]

im gonna assume that is a yes

[Brighter Puppy]

But, but.
Limming scum in big hood first… Wasn’t that mechanically best…

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

Todoroki who are you again? Since you keep being nonmislimmable day 1 or whatever.

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

I know who Lukewarm is, gosh i’m not that bad.

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

Oh wait. Was the info of your slots in your sig this whole time?

No words…

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

Notscience… That’s the slot that everyone said was scum in Smugglers Port, but i was the lone voice that said they were town. But then they did end up flipping scum…
Oh god, that’s not boding well.

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

This feels like shitty scum theatre to me

Your face is shitty scum theatre.

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

Say unpleasant things, i will be unpleasant back.
Say nice things i will give you poems.

I’m an slingshot.

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

Seeing your avatar makes me skip an beat.
Because then the game becomes a treat

[Brighter Puppy]

I don’t need to worry about anything tho, since i have an rabid Firebringer on chains.
I need merely snap my fingers at the first sign of trouble and he’ll maul someones ancles.

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

im telling u all, norwee is the charming head.
im the barking dog who bites people when they get too close

[Brighter Puppy]

did everyone answer how they would split up the teams if they were scum here. I feel ike i got to ask this random rvs because nothing is happening and its annoying.
Also like i just said in pt. I don't like this kuriyama and prism team up. They are slowly figuring it out that its me/todoraki and i must do everything to thwart that at all costs.

[Brighter Puppy]

did everyone answer how they would split up the teams if they were scum here. I feel ike i got to ask this random rvs because nothing is happening and its annoying.
Also like i just said in pt. I don't like this kuriyama and prism team up. They are slowly figuring it out that its me/todoraki and i must do everything to thwart that at all costs.

[Brighter Puppy]

He is saying the scum team is Puppy/Todo and he needs to do something to throw me off the scent.

yes

[Brighter Puppy]

Aw shucks.
You want to just forfeit the game Todoroki? It’s clearly over. They got us.

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

Oh noo. This is the worst timeline.
Dwlee has become one of those players that just vote and don’t explain any of their thoughts.

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

Like.
Even if Todoroki is scum.
It will not be an victory.
But an failure.

Because we should lim in big pool.
Why you don’t see that.

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

My first game we limmed big pool and won.
Second game we limmed in small pool and lost.

Both were day 1 scumflips.

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

prism is planning ur dastardly death in our PT Todoraki!
RUN!!!!!!!!!

[Brighter Puppy]

The scum in small pool is intended to die while the one in big pool is the endgame scum likely.
So i don’t like the thought of any small hood wagon. :~

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

ftr im null town on todoraki, i still lean on mc esther for scum in small pool
But im voting in big pool no matter what so don't see point in this discussion.

[Brighter Puppy]

Right now i’m feeling like the best lim is any slot that starts with D.

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

its pretty simple. if u consider the three player group to be in a pseudo ELO final 3, then it should be pretty easy to sort between the two other players in ur group to find scum. Instead u appear to hedge when it really shouldn't be that difficult to go at least "yeah im way more town on X" and not how u are presenting it where it looks like ur reads can swing either way.

[Brighter Puppy]

to put it in another way. U know u have a fifty fifty shot of finding scum in ur own group if ur town, and yet u don't treat it as one.

[Brighter Puppy]

has nothing to do with a hard read. its ur approach that says u can go either direction with easy. U already set ground work to move to Innocentvillager if u need to.
It doesn't look like town waffleness

[Brighter Puppy]

U already set ground work to move to Innocentvillager if u need to.

okay, two people have said this now and im still sitting here like "this literally doesnt make any sense given the gamestate, i cannot fathom suggesting this as either alignment". does anyone else actually believe this, do i need to explain?

wouldnt this be the time to push idea me and todaroki are teamed.
wouldn't town think this

[Brighter Puppy]

Okay, just feels kind of weird u just take what i or todoraki kind of been saying at face value. Rather than be sorting. or maybe i just don't see it cause ur just thinking it not expressing it.
Just seems like ur treating both of us as town. At least i feel ur treating me as town

[Brighter Puppy]

Like, you could say I'm hedging by not voting you too which is a totally fair point to make! Or that I'm not really pushing IV (which should frankly hint that I'm town, IV knows scum-me LOVED the chance to get in his head and twist him in circles), and instead letting him do his own thing and think about what he's posted.

okay imma be honest i was sort of gonna keep it private but there's no point anymore

this is prolly like the main argument for me townleaning you / ur not really here or trying to pocket me or anything like that

i remember when we were hydraing together u wanted to go HARD in that familiar plist if we were scum and Bulge straight TRd you for not doing that, lmao. My guess is you two would've gone harder had you rolled scum.

i weakly feel worse because you've mentioned this yourself but i still think you would've forced more thread presence as scum/i believe Luke to an extent when he says he would've pushed you to post more as well

random thought
if todoraki was scum in ur hood, what benefit would they get from trying to pocket u when they know they have to push both u and mc esther at some point

[Brighter Puppy]

My first game we limmed big pool and won.
Second game we limmed in small pool and lost.

Both were day 1 scumflips.

- Norwee

truly irrefutable evidence to kill big hood

and dont u think scum are motivated to lim in the first pool
like i don't think prism or kuriyama are scum. Its just like that is the side i would be pushing her if i am scum.
ITS WEIRD TO SEE SO FEW PUSHING IN THE BIG GROUP LIKE I AM

[Brighter Puppy]

and no one is on to bounce ideas of off. I am once again left with talking to an empty room
Guess ill go workout

[Brighter Puppy]

i do agree that todoroki looks kinda like scum who had assumed we'd yeet from 6 first and is now going "oh shit this really wasnt the plan" (im actually not sure anyone's explicitly framed it this way but i think someone hinted at it). i dont really understand prism's "practically a scumclaim" that he saw in todoroki's post, i think this mightve been an exaggeration?

im not really on-board with the consensus innocentvillager townread -- mostly because he very clearly doesnt believe the solve he's pushing. i think he's town because he looks townier than todoroki and only one of them is scum; but no i very much dont think there's any "yeah these posts have to come from town" in his iso.

People think we're scum and posts like this exist, lmao

Like I hate this post because it feels like something scum says about a townie writing a horribly scummy post.

I think if you're town you just vote for her and pound the table on her being mafia? I really don't understand the hesitation here. I acknowledge I could just be horribly wrong and tunneled here. I hope smarter people than me will shake me out of it. I will sleep on it. This game needs more Notty/Lukewarm/Dunnstral/Dwlee.

I hate posts like yours that equate everyone’s playstyle with your idealized image of what an townie "should do"
I see no problem with the post, but i see a lot of problems with the ways you are handling the slot.

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

A lot of the things you claim to be scummy, quite frankly just aren’t.
And it’s irritating to see you try to be the big voice of reason when you don’t really seem to know what it is you are talking about.

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

I don't think Prism is scum Luke.
Just really really wrong.

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

We should have done Dwlee or Dunn. Now we can't get the town instawin.

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

We should not go small hood tommorow either.
It's still an more pressing matter to kill the big hood scum that is planning to endgame.
That said, Esther is the scum in small hood. But we should flip them after big hood scum.

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

everyone shows up after a hammer falls

makes sense

It was an waste of time to try to convince you or Prism.

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

We gonna lose because even now the town just won't learn.

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

I hate having to guess what is theater here.

Why can't y'all motherfuckers post before the hammer, or at least wait a few hours and post in the hood?

Do you really think it wouldn't just devolve into you an your buddy shouting at those that say the wagon is bad because they are so obviously scum and anyone defending them is scum, + bullshit mathematics about limming in small hood?

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

obviously i dont have much on innocentvillager and dont really expect to survive the day. imma iso him later (phoneposting at a friend's rn), i mentioned my main questionmark over him yesterday (although tbh on reflection im not actually sure how much i stand by it, again, gonna need a reread). i also felt that his concern over e-1 seemed really fake, i didnt mention that second point at the time, mostly because i was sick of being told i was hedging.

VOTE: innocentvillager

nonononono

ur going to be hunting in alpha today. none of this 1v1 shit.

We still instant win if we hit scum in our group and ur lack of reads in our pool is concerning.
Also if ur town u know ur dying 100% if we limmed here and ur only pushing for innocent?
i didn't take u for lazy

[Brighter Puppy]

We still instant win if we hit scum in our group

i dont think that's true? i cant think numbers rn, again, i'll address it in a few hours.

yes town wins here if we yeet scum

theres would still be too many confirm town for scum to win
game is currently 5-2 with 2 scum. if we elim the scum in our group that confirms 4 players only one dies tonight
we misyeet tomorrow lets say IV for w/e reason, we still get scum in final day.

This could still be game over today.

[Brighter Puppy]

MC. Forget the numbers. I don't give a fuc.

Ok now that we're all on the same page, who would you vote in big hood right now if you had to make the choice?

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

I DONT JUST WANT WHO U WOULD YEET
I WANT A GOD DAMN READS LIST
I WANT PUSHES
I WANT EVERYTHING MC ESTHER HAS AND MORE

[Brighter Puppy]

Kuriyama was a Vanilla Townie.

btw on predictions this game. i am 2/2
i told norwee that kuriyama was dying last night.
I said todoraki was town.

Now i predict we still fuck up this game day because yall are gonna be voting in beta. I can already foresee it.

[Brighter Puppy]

Woah Fire. Let's be diplomatic here.

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

And if that doesn't work we can release the hounds.

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

i know nothing of this diplomacy u speak of

[Brighter Puppy]

i thought u wanted us

[Brighter Puppy]

who would you vote in big hood right now if you had to make the choice

probably std but it's pretty marginal; i didnt like his post about getting baited, lmao, nah man that was your hammer. maybe you, i dont get why youre reaching out to me rn.

What does "nah man that was your hammer" mean?

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

i thought u wanted us

I said it was the dumbest thing I could possibly do because it was lmao

I'm really hoping I just don't have to make the call on your alignment ever but mafia games are not so nice and gifting

how can i make u more paranoid of me then

VOTE: mc esther ((((:

oh boy this is gonna be fun

ATTENTION THIS IS NOT A 1v1
YOU NEED TO HUNT IN ALPHA GROUP SO WE CAN INSTA WIN

[Brighter Puppy]

like let's just kill confirmed scum ?? why are we trying to kill big hood

i know i know im town and y'all don't but like... cmon it's at worst a 50/50

BECAUSE IT GIVES US ZERO INFO SINCE NEITHER OF U ARE FUCKIN HUNTING IN ALPHA
I HAVE ZERO TELLS ON ASSOCIATIONS.

WHY DO I NEED TO EXPLAIN THIS

[Brighter Puppy]

i should just meme post in this game.

[Brighter Puppy]

innocentvillager,
r u to tell me.

that u could care less about hunting in alpha even though we instant win the game if u help us get it right, and would rather rely on us to win this game for u when we fucked up so massively yesterday by killing a townie.

This is the town u want to rely on?

[Brighter Puppy]

if we can confirm 4 town players by nailing the alpha group down.
This game still instant goes to us. Its too many confirmed town.

Us going for the "50/50" is wasting energy. The townie in ur pair should realize this.

[Brighter Puppy]

funnstral are u at least with me on my plan here

[Brighter Puppy]

That's disappointing IV.

I told Firebringer that you would succeed in our little test of not just insta-1v1-ing MC Esther and prove how much townier you are by going above your station and considering the whole game.
But imagine my disappointment when you just say you couldn't care less about that.

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

Yes because a correct elim in the pair of two means the other person dies at night

Which is not ideal for us

Brighter Puppy is also right, there is little reason to try to eliminate in the pair of 2 right now, we do win if we get the mafia in the group of 5. And I'm not sure that figuring out the pair of two gives us information.

i love u long time

even if ur mafia just agreeing with me.

[Brighter Puppy]

Not sure 643 is right but I will do the math again later and I think it's best to force people to hunt everywhere

okay i promised norwee if i heard anouther math argument i would do this
VOTE: Prism

BANISH THE MATH FROM THIS GAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Brighter Puppy]

Theoretical math has no place in this discussion

[Brighter Puppy]

If it actually is IV I think the entire game changes

In what way bub.

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

If it actually is IV I think the entire game changes

In what way bub.

- Norwee

In that everyone is wrong and needs to reevaluate a lot of things

Very helpful Einstein.

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

"If people are wrong, they need to consider that they are wrong"

Why are you town again Dwlee?

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

If it actually is IV I think the entire game changes

In what way bub.

- Norwee

In that everyone is wrong and needs to reevaluate a lot of things

Thats true of every successful/uncessful elim
Do you think us flipping either IV/Mc-esther right or wrong helps us figure out anyone elses alignment.

For instance does IV flip scum tell u anyone in group of 5. If so, why.
Cause if IV flipped scum I can tell u, i don't know how that impacts any of my reads other than I was wrong about IV.

[Brighter Puppy]

And I think that assumption also plays into people's reads of her interactions with people in the big group to solve

See this is the problem, MC Esther hasn't been interacting with the big hood. Their ISO is empty. All their content is based on small hood, small mind, thinking.

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

Big hood is big brain thinking.
Me and Fire will repeat this until the town stop this math-induced intellectual dysphoria of small hood thinking.

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

theres using math to help u make decisions, and then theres usuing math in subsitute of actually solve game.
i could forgive pushing in esther/iv because both ur saying math tells u its right and u have a very conf scumread. But it seems like u only have the first

Math isn't a substitute for playing the game.

[Brighter Puppy]

I think me and Fire agree pretty much on this point.

Dwlee is one of the scummier players on the big hood as of right now.

If both IV and MC Esther could pretend the other didn't exist, and give us their big and honest read on Dwlee and whether they'd consider them an good lim today. That would be an good start on getting your head out from the "small hood" narrow-minded thinking.
Later you all might even give us your reads on other slots in the big hood. And maybe even some... *gasp* TOWNREADS???!
You might not believe it is possible, but i believe in you all. I believe we can reach the sky. I believe we can breach the limit. I believe... we can solve this game.

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

And in other much less breaking news. Fire's vote in a game of mafia was dumb...
UNVOTE:

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

Okay so i have a semi-actual case on dwlee based on some evidence i have collected through extensive research. I have audited them extensively basically.

So in our PT I will paraphrase but Dwlee mentions why they voted for Todoraki yesterday:

prism was confident about it and i townread prism

<--not exact quote

Ohh thats fine and dandy. Prism is confident u say?
When i pushed on this pointing out theres multiple points of prism not being confident in game thread. I get fired back with that theres multiple points of them being confident in this very thread.

I go "Ohh really?"

So by the time Dwlee voted. Prism had made exactly 1 post in our thread about todoraki.
The brief paraphrase

I was trying to reaction test todoraki, but the response he gave didn't convince me. He still in a weird zone for me and I need to do more testing on him to see if i can see if i get that "why would scum lukewarm do this"

<--again paraphrase no fite me mod

SO THIS IS THE CONFIDENCE WE TALKING ABOUT? OR IS IT POSTFACTO RATIONALE

[Brighter Puppy]

Don't mind Fire.
He thought he had an slam dunk case. But it's not really all that AI imo.
Doesn't mean i think ur town tho.

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

Fire tells me you're being an smartass.

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

@Esther I am noting a distinct lack of Dunnstral opinion.
Ur opinion of STD and dwlee noted.

I like ur opinion onf Prism even though i think its very very wrong.
r u doing analysis on the end of game wagon? it seems like u are doing that.

Cause if ur saying its innocentvillager, ur saying the elim on Todoraki massively enabled scum here. But ur giving of std/dwlee/prism I am thinking ur saying it has to be one of the people voting Todoraki is that a coincidence or is that end game wagon going into that

[Brighter Puppy]

Todoroki (5): mc esther, Dwlee99, Prism, Kuriyama, Save The Dragons

in my view theres no way this has no scum. This isn't a controversial opinion on i know but i want to strike a few combinations out of the game.

[Brighter Puppy]

so that means me/IV and IV/Dunnstral is not possible
which only barely helps me cause i already knew first one wasn't possible.

[Brighter Puppy]

it bothers me that scum is very likely in dwlee/std and that the town in that group is just fine with sliding by the other.
and if its neither they letting dunnstral/prism free reign

[Brighter Puppy]

yeahhhhh im tentatively on dwlee town (and, lmao, less town on puppy again, idk i just feel like theyre trying to pocket me, although the obvious counterpoint is that it probably doesnt make much sense to pocket me). town dunn, null-town puppy/dwlee, maf std/prism.

im just trying to get u to talk more because it helps me solve.
u would know for sure if im trying to pocket u, i would be extremely nice for no other reason

[Brighter Puppy]

also im still heavily leaning u for scum.
If i wanted to pocket u, i would be calling u town here.
i don't know where i could be trying to pocket u besides me trying to have an open dialogue with u.

I am not treating u as ur town. I am playing with possibility ur town. Which is diff than how I think u treated todoraki yesterday