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[geraintm]

There can be only one multiple of 11
VOTE: Dwlee99

11?

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Personally, I know that I tend to be a bit more cavalier with my townreads as mafia, because everything that a confirmed town does looks towny, and you can easily just hand them out like candy. As town I'm more hesitant and paranoid. But I've seen that a lot of people on this site tend to have a... looser approach than what I'm used to, so I dunno. Still weirds me out, though.

My personal experience so far is that outside of Newbie games players tend to put in less effort into reads. After playing like 3-4 Newbies in which players, also other than myself, were efforting rather much and sticking strictly to using logic and reads to solve the game (or misleading town in the case of mafia-aligned players) I played Open 838 and was slightly disappointed.

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I think that's because Newbie games are meant to prepare you for what is supposed to be good mafia play and then, when you're past the learning phase, you get confronted with reality. Kinda like how school prepares you for a world that doesn't exist.

Please do not discuss ongoing games. I redacted a sentence in this post. ~ Koba

VOTE: greeting

i don't recognise most of the name in this game. this is going to make day 1 weirder.
but everyone should ignore me, you are not going to get anything useful out of me today.

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@ scorpious

i am saying people should ignore me because i am going to spend the rest of today saying we should all skip to Night because day 1 is pointless.

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because day 1 will result in the elimination of townies more often than random. why give scum a head start. skip to the night and come back day 2 when at least some townies will have some info to work with. anyone who says they are great at finding scum on day 1....lets just say i admire their confidence.

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I should have just let it go to see who all jumped, but don't let scum get away with a cheap easy vote.

what's your gut say? I specifically ask for gut cause im not planning on holding you to it, newb town or scum?

gerry? definitely not newb town. most definitely. he's null rn. the only thing he's done different so far as I know is he hasn't voted according to his usual entry method.

Yes I did!
I said 11 in my first post and voted 11 after that. At least I meant to

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@ scorpious

i am saying people should ignore me because i am going to spend the rest of today saying we should all skip to Night because day 1 is pointless.

2nd time i've heard this from you, second time i wonder how you even have fun playing mafia

I have fun. Despite not being very good I do enjoy this game, I play one game at a time and try not to make the same mistakes over and over. And I play little enough thay I come across new

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@ scorpious

i am saying people should ignore me because i am going to spend the rest of today saying we should all skip to Night because day 1 is pointless.

And I say Day One might be useful. I used to believe that too, but MafiaScum games changed my mind. Given your rather distant join date, I'm rather surprised that you'd have such a take.

What's even weirder is you saying that we should ignore you, in 67. No. For me, you're potential scum just like all players in this game other than myself.

VOTE: geraintm

This is such a weirdly worded post. Especially the end part.

I agree, thr last 2 words were very suspicious....

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VOTE: gerain

haven't read much, but I'm pretty confident on this one

Heeeey! I don’t know you but I like you from last game!

Ah thanks I'm glad, that game was not my best... we do not discuss that game... lol

yall I was maf with gerain in a game recently, and he's playing the exact same card he did there, so can we just lim gerain and move on?

Fish in the Sea for those who are curious, we endgamed... and gerain did this exact same play

you do know that i sit there every day 1 and say the exact same thing and if you think im scum because ive trotted out the same "day 1 is pointless" speech....

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This is E-2 btw and one of the worst wagons I've ever seen...

VOTE: Greeting
E-1

You've already vioted for him...


Oh god I hate this f'n game..

i was got when i read it too. i was got like that in a previous game too, assuming when someone voted when someone was 1 vote off it was an elimination.
I have no logical reason to beleive Greeting is more likely to be scum than anyone else in this game. why their wagon is so high baffles me

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VOTE: greeting

This is E-2 btw and one of the worst wagons I've ever seen...

At least 2 scum on this flash wagon

right now I feel Hella Jeff,and ger..

This is not fua's scum game

are you calling me suspiscious because of my vote on Greeting? my random vote?

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VOTE: greeting

This is E-2 btw and one of the worst wagons I've ever seen...

At least 2 scum on this flash wagon

right now I feel Hella Jeff,and ger..

This is not fua's scum game

are you calling me suspiscious because of my vote on Greeting? my random vote?

I don't think it's random anymore if I'm being put at E-2.

my vote was random. i didn't put you to 2 away from elimination. are you seriously saying i am suspicious because i knew a bunch of other people would all vote for you and i shouldn't have voted for you?

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I've made up my mind and I'm actually not going to hammer nor self-vote this game. The information that my flip will give will be much less valuable than a townie gone.

No one should self vote barring exceptional circumstances. Saying you won't do something dumb earns you no points from me.

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Scum are Jeff,gerain, and Ahri…

Fight me..

I will. I would get my buddies to join me but I cannot for the life of me think who ahri is.... I have nomemory of anything they've said

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VOTE: greeting

This is some serious intent....
Hope you are happy with what you got out of it.

A naughty point for you though

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Scum are Jeff,gerain, and Ahri…

Fight me..

I will. I would get my buddies to join me but I cannot for the life of me think who ahri is.... I have nomemory of anything they've said

They voted me.. that’s essentially it.

And now they are stuck because they can’t hammer without being obvscum.

I'm already on the wagon you numpty!

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I just seen prod. It's the weekend and I check less often, sorry. I will loom things over soon

[geraintm]

It has come to my attention that I have sent the wrong version of the setup out regarding role PMs. to fix this I will be sending out updated role PMs now for any affected players and resume play as normal.

Ok, I got up to here and now I know I don't have enough time right now to properly work out what is going on. Back later

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Day 1 was awful. I was going to try and be more active yesterday and get thr day to end quicker, but the day ended way, way too soon and the wagon looked awful. I couldn't work out why people were voting them (I just never saw anywhere better to move to and never thought that another wagon wouldn't form at some point.

The last 2 votes were so bad....bit would scum make them????

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The incident that required the mod to send out a correction..

I wouldn't be clever enough to fake that confusion. At least one of them is straight up town.

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ok, trying to be better this game.
seeing others are pushing scorpious, so i thought id check them out

Personally, I think the goal of every game should be to transition from RVS to legit discussion as soon as possible, and RVS only exists in the first place as a vehicle for getting the game into the stages of legit discussion.

I'm ok with this response... Early town lean here

meh - vague buttering up for no real reason

VOTE: bababooey

I’d almost advocate a replacement as this is an obvious troll.

weird post. continuing a wagon on someone who i think had posted once - a self vote. dont like this

has a disagreement with me, but i will let that slide as i think it is just because they've never played with me before.

VOTE: greeting

This is E-2 btw and one of the worst wagons I've ever seen...

At least 2 scum on this flash wagon

right now I feel Hella Jeff,and ger..

This is not fua's scum game

i agree the wagon is terrible. i am giving them a pass on thinking i am suspicious due to inexperience with me. but will not their opinion on Hella Jeff and Fua for the future

Scum are Jeff,gerain, and Ahri…

Fight me..

more for hte future

they get as much credit as me for pointing out how bad the Day 1 wagon was

Greeting, do you plan on claiming?

noting a day 1 suggestion for a claim. i give naughty points for that, i am not sure i like forcing a townie to reveal their roles, though i suppose you could trap scum into a lie that can be exposed later but they were 100% that the wagon was bad so they arent expecting to get that

I mean I'm fairly confident in this

VOTE: Scorpious

he had way too much TMI yday

also gj guys I get 0 D1 game experience lol

Lol, ok scum.. why because I’m the only person that saw through the bs.

VOTE: Ahri

day 2, now voting for another member of their scum team they so effortlessly found day 1

posts around 250 are all woe is me stuff. it feels a huge overreaction to day 1 and what was going on. i have no idea if they would fake this as scum though.

Greeting, do you plan on claiming?

this just utterly stinks. are they frustrated town, faking scum or just bad town?

Ahri is obvscum butter. I’m VT..

Let’s at least torch one today.

well, there we go

Because with that nonsense yesterday I wouldn’t even be opposed to a mass claim.

for someone who is claiming to be VT, they sure are interested in getting everyone else's roles out in the open...

and then we have the Mod Reset and the conflict with Quiet Owl is over
others will have to explain to me the likelihood of scorpious being a scum who Quiet Owl couldn;t find a gun on, or quiet owl being scum faking a result.

but i am inclined to want to beleive scorpious is more likely to be VT and quiet owl blew things

shifts conversation back to wagon analysis of Day 1, and still has me in the scum pile with jeff and ahri and i really havent worked out their case. but...i am making the assumption that scorpious is bad scum with bad reads and not anything else.
if they are other than that, then i think it will show if the pair of us are left in the end game and scum are trusting me to not kill scorpious.

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ok, i just realised i think i have got myself really, really confused.

QUiet Owl's investiagtion was of Dwlee. For some reason i thought it was of Scorpious.

It is Ahri who claims to have a result on Scorpious.

VOTE: scorpious, I wait for Ahri to come back with their info but someone with that strong a claim needs supporting and it feels like i am going to find it difficult to vote outside the pair of them.

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Thoughts:
- Scorpious seems town.
- No idea about Ahri yet.
- There's probably 3 mafia members.
- Dwlee is a mafia doctor lets gooo VOTE: Dwlee99

You have Scorpious town but no idea on me?

lol?

it's more likely than you think...

again, if I claim investigative on Scorpious with a sussy result, would that change your mind?

V/LA effective immediately, ending 11am EST 1/24

I am really, really, sorry; I'll try to post tomorrow if I can; I severely, severely sr Scorpious but please don't lim him before I'm back, I have important information to share with town.

Also Capo is town btw.

for reference, this explains why i am voting Scorpious. I got confused when ISOing them and not checking that the Quiet Owl finger pointing was pointed at SCorpious. sorry. am an idiot.

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you think me and ahri would pile on you like this if we were scum and you were VT as claimed?

what would you be doing in this situation if another player said they had a guilty? you'd be voting too.

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they said they had a result that made them want to eliminate them. that sounds pretty guiltyish to me.

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meh I'm bored

Let's PK in {Scorpious, me} today, I'm 99% sure he's not town

it'd be really funny if we quickhammered scorpious and he actually turned out to be scum
VOTE: Scorpious

Am I E-1?

typically a town would say where the vote is at.

thats not a thing?

prepare to get fucked scum.

VOTE: geraintm is my scum read but fua is prob scum too so I'll vote there after I post a bit and we burn some deadline

???
what on earth is your reason for voting me??
there is a straight up duel between ahri and scorpious going on, and you want to chase me? for no reason i can see.

is it geraintm, fua, and quiet owl?

i have zero idea how you are linking the three of us together?

...okay, uh. Ahri, are you actually claiming anything investigative or not? Claiming mason on its own tells us nothing about Scorpious. How exactly is that "important information" you needed to share with town?

ahri, you need to come clean on the push on scorpious. you said you had more to tell us and i voted based on that...but you've not followed through and instead just gone and claimed instead....

hard claim a guilty or shut up

ditto.

Why is Scorpious a wagon at all at the moment.

because we have a player with a guilty on them!
except they don't seem to want to elaborate for some reason

VOTE: fua

between their vote for me and this vote, neither me or Fua posted.
i am giving this a few naughty points and would be focussing on this if we havent got to sort out scorpious/ahri

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thats not a thing?

yes it is.. even E-2.. its just a town behavior.

some people do, some don't. saying it is alignment specific is rubbish.

because we have a player with a guilty on them!
except they don't seem to want to elaborate for some reason

No... you dont..

mispoke. sorry, meant to say the town has been told that a player has a guilty on another player. neither of these players is me

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IDK man, all these excuses just pinged me a little and I wanted to vote you b/c I felt like you were scum and if you are then I get to pat myself on the back for finding you early.

excuses? one i asked why i was being voted. others were saying i cant post as much at the weekend. and the other was saying day 1 whipped through too quickly. i don't know why these would ping you?

which leads me to...

between their vote for me and this vote, neither me or Fua posted.

Why do either of you have to post in this game b4 I move my vote? My vote on you was going nowhere and I have very little desire to try to strongarm your elimination over Fua's. The game is semi-dead and moving my vote to a viable wagon is progressing the game. AND I had already stated that I would vote for Fua so why is my follow through such a bad action to you? Fua is prob just straight up scum that's given up on this game.

call me old fashioned, i just generally think if you have a belief strong enough to vote for someone you should probably stick with it until you have areason to not. as neither me or fua posted at all - it just looks bad to me. it looks like you are chasing wagons

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have we played together NEro? i see your start date is a long time ago, but i don't recollect your user name

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scorpions since its so "obvious" who are mafia?

you,fua,and ger

I disagree on fua, I can consider voting ger though

UNVOTE: Scorpious

anyways obv no investigative, I just really didn't like Scorpious's D1 but they have gotten better on ate

I do think geria could be a possible lim and would like to pursue in {Scorpious, geria}

I literally have no words.
You come out with you have a guilty on someone, and I believe you (because I always believe claims - go and check my past games if you don't accept that) and now people are scum reading me because I followed you?
Like....what are people meant to do with the info you were peddling?
UNVOTE:

And you are on a list now for any future game we play in.

Just....don't lie people. It never ever helps town

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Ok, going to look at the wagons and see if there is any info there

Greeting (7): Quiet Owl,

geraintm

,

fua

,

Dwlee99

, Hella Jeff,

Galron

,

Andante

Yeezys [HAMMERED]

Vote 2.2
Scorpious (4): Ahri,

fua, geraintm

, yeezys
fua (3):

Dwlee99

, butterchurn, Scorpious

Vote 2 Final
fua (6):

Dwlee99

, butterchurn, Scorpious, Nero Cain, yeezys,

fua

HAMMERED

thats it.

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so, only one person on both wagons - yeezys
who is on all 3 wagons (because somehow this game is in day 3 and we have had only 3 wagons so far! Day 1 ended early which i am all for but was still a surprise - but yesterday ending with a self hammer from a townie is unforgivable)

i want to go and look at yeezys posts
and hella jeff
it feels like there should be scum in there somewhere

i have no idea what Ahri is on about btw or how they are playing this game. had anyone had experience with them before? are they capable of going full Joker as scum and buring the place down?

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i am giving this a few naughty points

and would be focussing on this

if we havent got to sort out scorpious/ahri

call me old fashioned, i just generally think if you have a belief strong enough to vote for someone you should probably stick with it until you have areason to not.

I literally have no words.
You come out with you have a guilty on someone, and I believe you (because I always believe claims - go and check my past games if you don't accept that) and now people are scum reading me because I followed you?
Like....what are people meant to do with the info you were peddling?
UNVOTE:

So what is your reasoning for not voting me either yesterday or today?

oh yesterday it was because i got hung up on the ahri guilty claim. beause, like, as i've said, i tend to focus on those things when someone makes that sort of claim.
today, ive finally got around to looking at past votes so i did that

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I get that although some of the things that Arhi actually said makes it pretty obvious that it wasn't a guilty and its that you believed it to begin with but the point was that once she came out and said it wasn't a guilty you took the time to unvote but didn't vote me. IDK, maybe it's a dumb thing that I'm pushing but it seems like from your own words that you would have voted me.

it was obvious in hindsight but wasn;t when i placed the vote and if i remember correctly, i think i was waiting for them to come back with what they had.

the unvote post i think was me 100% fixated on venting at Ahri, i was so mad. i didnt think about where to move my vote to, i just needed to shout at them.

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ahri fucked us over anyways um hi guys i'm an ascetic vigilante doctor mason. in case you don't know what ascetic means i can't be targeted by night actions, and the vigilante doctor combo lets me target one person per night, attempting to kill them while also protecting them from a kill (which just makes the role useless)
anyways, you want me to be more active but No lol i'm pretty busy with school

I have absolutely no idea what this role is. I assume mod has put it in for a reason to screw either a town or scum role so they get confused. But it is beyond me.

But I cannot see you getting killed anyway by the end of thr game, you are going to be there so I hope your reads are good

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You are all

"I'm scum reading you!"

then you lambast me for moving my vote to Fua with the reasoning that if I have a strong feeling I shouldn't charge my vote

but then you don't vote for me despite your strong feeling that I was scum

Like you seem super scummy to me but I'm maybe a little worried that you are just LHF

let's start here today

VOTE: Enchant

I said that if you have an opinion strong enough to vote someone, and neither they or the other person post in thread, to me it looks like you are trying hard to throw enough spaghetti around and hope some of it sticks.

And that you have started today trying to get another wagon going....it looks kinda desperate.

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You are all

"I'm scum reading you!"

then you lambast me for moving my vote to Fua with the reasoning that if I have a strong feeling I shouldn't charge my vote

but then you don't vote for me despite your strong feeling that I was scum

Like you seem super scummy to me but I'm maybe a little worried that you are just LHF

let's start here today

VOTE: Enchant

Fine with that. Not like I’ve been right about anything so far. Except Greeting

VOTE: Enchant

With this ,I am kinda thinking the odds are there is one scum somewhere between Nero, scorpious and enchant

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Sorry I got interested earlier, i meant to say jnwas going to have to come back and look at Butter's posts later because too much for me to take in quickly

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I feel in a predicament.
Where I wanted to look after looking at the votes yesterday, no one else seems to want to go that way.
And we have masons pushing an elimination on someone else. I want to trust their reads because I am bad at this game (I think someone has accused me of being a bad green andni don't go against that).
I don't want to start a vanity wagon which goes nowhere and I get shouted at for, but I also want to find scum the best way I can.

I need to go back over scorpious and see why people want to eliminate there - because apart from the ahri claim I have them only pinging my radar a little so far.

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dude, yeezy got wagoned and claimed mason. Why are you pretending like that didn't happen?

i forgot, sorry, when i ISO the mod for vote counts there was never a wagon there. i think Mod said it got to 1 vote

Iso for both Enchant and capo22 is tiny and has very little content of substance in it. VOTE: Enchant

And there is Ahri saying how they liked how capo voted me. I can see an Ahri Enchant team right now.

Town reading Owl

this is the dumbest of posts.

butterchurn long post 573 kinda makes sense - i think there is an argument to be made that scorpious is likely scum, odds over 50 for sure, there are now too few slots left that could be scum and whatever the masons have on them which has caused the push - i think i have to trust them. i know Ahri rolled back their guilty claim but to me at least it doesn't make sense unless someone there checked scorpious out and got something, even if it is only a strong indication that scorpious is likely lying.

VOTE: scorpious

they should have died already, it is weird they haven't and throwing mud at the mason team and spitting off random "this person is town" takes, they helped with the fua elimination yesterday - there is just too much there to make it likely they are town.

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i think Mod said it got to 1 vote

naw, you said Yeezy was scummy and then Jeff and Butter voted there b4 he claimed mason.

sorry, i missed that. i normally go by mod vote counts to remember wagons to refresh my memory

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catching up.

first, sorry the masons have pushed me to where i voted. i thought that one of the mason's must have had something on scorpious to ping their radar so badly. i assumed one of them had checked them out and gotten a weird result. i see now they must have had nothing.

I guess the good news is that masons are confirmed to exist, so there's no need to be paranoid about that anymore. 3 scum hiding among 4 people. As of now, I would lean towards voting geraintm, but I want to take a more in depth look at the thread knowing Scorpious and Enchant's alignments.

Please don't vote anyone right away -- if town votes town here we probably lose immediately. This game is definitely winnable still.

why me? i dont see why you are picking out on me?

Nero - why the call for a mass claim and then forgetting all about it a few hours later? what did you remember/were told that made you realise a mass claim was a bad idea?

aren't votes locked in lylo?

what does this mean?

we are clearly voting between 2 today. but no one should do anything until everyone checks in. and no one should have done anything

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Popping in quickly, but suspicious as fudge people not posting at all in thread

[geraintm]

Sorry. Waiting at A&E for wife.
Still waiting for thr prodded two to turn up, conversation is too much too follow at thr moment

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Ok, I'm sorry for not posting more.

I was sorta waiting on Owl's night result which never came, and now we have to get it from Not Mafia so who knows if we ever shall. I ain't voting anywhere until NM tells us because it should narrow down the choices considerably.

NM means you'll get a good read on me at least.

Will go through posts now and reply as best I can

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I'm like 99% sold on Jeff being thr vote now, I cannot see easily how the game isn't over otherwise, consider my vote there

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yes, I meant that I hammed Scorp. Deadline only lasts a week, day 3 had gone on for 4 days, and practically everyone wanted scorp dead. It was just stalling and avoiding the inevitable . Yes disscussion is good but when a day drags it can cause apathy.

Apathy has killed the game for me....and I do realise I am fully part of that

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Though needing 2 players replaced as the game reaches its conclusion really hasn't helped either

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Looking at nervous post 693 as the logical starting point for me, except 2 of the pieces get swapped around. I am usually a betting man in these situations and I know where my last vote is likely to go. One player feels like they are doing their best to solve this and others aren't and just trying to deflect when caught. But NM needs to come along quick

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VOTE: not mafia

[geraintm]

I'm so sorry

[geraintm]

This game is clasterfuck.

Did even mafia aim me because i was mason or because they thought i am not mason.

they thought you were the mason.

i thought we were gone for so many times in this game, everyone had pretty much got the scum right or at least 2 out of 3 or 3 out 4 at some point.
should have just walked through us over the last few days for the win.

Sorry, this was one game where my uselessness as town was helpful for me being scum. When you read the mafia thread though, you'll see how poorly we thought we were doing. It felt like at multiple times town was solving the game, yet town talked themselves into the wrong option.
I fully expect my next game to get hammered day 1 if I play exactly the same as this game

that was my end game statement from my previous game 2249. i think i can actually just use it again here.