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[Scorpious]

VOTE: Galron

Reasons..

[Scorpious]

Personally, I know that I tend to be a bit more cavalier with my townreads as mafia, because everything that a confirmed town does looks towny, and you can easily just hand them out like candy. As town I'm more hesitant and paranoid. But I've seen that a lot of people on this site tend to have a... looser approach than what I'm used to, so I dunno. Still weirds me out, though.

Personally, I know that I tend to be a bit more cavalier with my townreads as mafia, because everything that a confirmed town does looks towny, and you can easily just hand them out like candy. As town I'm more hesitant and paranoid. But I've seen that a lot of people on this site tend to have a... looser approach than what I'm used to, so I dunno. Still weirds me out, though.

My personal experience so far is that outside of Newbie games players tend to put in less effort into reads. After playing like 3-4 Newbies in which players, also other than myself, were efforting rather much and sticking strictly to using logic and reads to solve the game (or misleading town in the case of mafia-aligned players) I played Open 838 and was slightly disappointed.

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I think that's because Newbie games are meant to prepare you for what is supposed to be good mafia play and then, when you're past the learning phase, you get confronted with reality. Kinda like how school prepares you for a world that doesn't exist.

Please do not discuss ongoing games. I redacted a sentence in this post. ~ Koba

It’s inevitable. So I’m going to get the ball rolling…
This is damn early to be having discussion. No?

[Scorpious]

"Discussion"? Can you clarify what you mean by that? Because surely you're not saying it's too early to... discuss things. And, you know, play the game. Why wait? Slow/content-lacking game starts are scum-favored.

I'm just saying post #20 seems really early to transition from RVS to legit discusiion, but this is an opinion and more of a note. Not AI to me.

[Scorpious]

Spoiler:

i Stil dont see what this is in referens to

It references Greeting centering GIFS, That's the entirety of the reference.

[Scorpious]

VOTE: Greeting
Do you only know Cape90 from mafiascum? Your takes irk me the most right now

Would you regard it different if they knew them from anywhere else?

[Scorpious]

Personally, I think the goal of every game should be to transition from RVS to legit discussion as soon as possible, and RVS only exists in the first place as a vehicle for getting the game into the stages of legit discussion.

I'm ok with this response... Early town lean here

[Scorpious]

Yay..

Another meme lord ..

[Scorpious]

VOTE: bababooey

I’d almost advocate a replacement as this is an obvious troll.

[Scorpious]

I don't like the self-vote in RVS with no other content either, but that reaction seems a little extreme to me. I'd like to hear more (or, well, anything) from them, but I don't see reason to believe yet that won't happen.

what champion were you playing?

Trundle jungle. Pillar doesn't help much when trying to gank an Ahri who has ult up.

The name in itself is a troll. The join date etc. but I digress. Let’s hope I’m wrong.

I agree though that votes should be placed there.

[Scorpious]

Personally, I know that I tend to be a bit more cavalier with my townreads as mafia, because everything that a confirmed town does looks towny, and you can easily just hand them out like candy. As town I'm more hesitant and paranoid. But I've seen that a lot of people on this site tend to have a... looser approach than what I'm used to, so I dunno. Still weirds me out, though.

My personal experience so far is that outside of Newbie games players tend to put in less effort into reads. After playing like 3-4 Newbies in which players, also other than myself, were efforting rather much and sticking strictly to using logic and reads to solve the game (or misleading town in the case of mafia-aligned players) I played Open 838 and was slightly disappointed.

[REDACTED BY GAME MOD]

I think that's because Newbie games are meant to prepare you for what is supposed to be good mafia play and then, when you're past the learning phase, you get confronted with reality. Kinda like how school prepares you for a world that doesn't exist.

Please do not discuss ongoing games. I redacted a sentence in this post. ~ Koba

VOTE: greeting

i don't recognise most of the name in this game. this is going to make day 1 weirder.
but everyone should ignore me, you are not going to get anything useful out of me today.

I've been there, doesnt matter, they are still people playing mafia.

Saying people should ignore you because we arent going to get anyhting useful??? umm no..

[Scorpious]

Not a troll xD

I just thought since everyone will be voting random so it would be pretty funny to vote for myself. It's not like I couldn't change my vote afterward, so didn't seem like that big of a deal.

forgive me, my old ass comes from the howard stern era where bababooey was a prank ,and I thought I was being super sleuth calling you a troll with my "evidence".on you, my bad.

[Scorpious]

VOTE: geraintm

[Scorpious]

@ scorpious

i am saying people should ignore me because i am going to spend the rest of today saying we should all skip to Night because day 1 is pointless.

VOTE: geraintm

[Scorpious]

@ scorpious

i am saying people should ignore me because i am going to spend the rest of today saying we should all skip to Night because day 1 is pointless.

Instead of being my usual endearing self I'm going to give you chance to explain to us how D1 is pointless..

Follow up with telling us how that has town motivation behind it.

[Scorpious]

because day 1 will result in the elimination of townies more often than random. why give scum a head start. skip to the night and come back day 2 when at least some townies will have some info to work with. anyone who says they are great at finding scum on day 1....lets just say i admire their confidence.

I'm sorry, this is one of the most absurd things I've ever heard.

[Scorpious]

and meta reading that should have been a natural consequence to an honest read

wha?

Is this game real?

[Scorpious]

geraintm is lhf Day 1

for good reason though (LHF Low hanging fruit)

[Scorpious]

I should have just let it go to see who all jumped, but don't let scum get away with a cheap easy vote.

what's your gut say? I specifically ask for gut cause im not planning on holding you to it, newb town or scum?

[Scorpious]

I should have just let it go to see who all jumped, but don't let scum get away with a cheap easy vote.

what's your gut say? I specifically ask for gut cause im not planning on holding you to it, newb town or scum?

gerry? definitely not newb town. most definitely. he's null rn. the only thing he's done different so far as I know is he hasn't voted according to his usual entry method.

So you’ve seen this before? AI at all or just play style?

[Scorpious]

I'm torn between encouraging this just for the lols and refusing to be voted out for absolute bullshit.

So far this whole game is one big lol

[Scorpious]

VOTE: greeting

This is E-2 btw and one of the worst wagons I've ever seen...

At least 2 scum on this flash wagon

right now I feel Hella Jeff,and ger..

This is not fua's scum game

[Scorpious]

This is E-2 btw and one of the worst wagons I've ever seen...

VOTE: Greeting
E-1

You've already vioted for him...


Oh god I hate this f'n game..

[Scorpious]

This is E-2 btw and one of the worst wagons I've ever seen...

VOTE: Greeting
E-1

You've already vioted for him...


Oh god I hate this f'n game..

Hey, it's not the worst game we've played together yet.

I still want to know how.. but this is fair..

[Scorpious]

that's actually so awesome it refreshed my position in the wagon

It shouldn't it's invalid, but I don't make the rules here..

now if you voted someone else THEN re voted ,it would have, but what do I know?

[Scorpious]

or unvoted,than voted..

[Scorpious]

VOTE: greeting

Ok, really now?

bumping my response to you here, i didn't see an answer
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is his stalling a behavior that doesn't deviate from his towngames?
(also, what games are you using? this is probably more important than anything else)

I didn't see a question. The stalling seemed fairly insignificant to me, or perhaps it's just nuanced enough that it's not something I pick up on. So on that point specifically, I don't recall it occurring previously, but if I didn't pick up on what you're talking about here I think I'd be unlikely to pick up on it elsewhere.

As for other games, it's bits and pieces from all of them, but to pick some out, I think Newbie 2078 (https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=87518) feels similar to what people are picking on here -- some things with tone, attitude, weird phrasing, a somewhat questionable vote. That one's a pretty quick read, I think just from the first 150 posts or so you get the picture. In Newbie 2082 (https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=88098) there's some other similar stuff, and around posts 140-185ish there's a "defensive tunnel". All this to say that his behavior here seems relatively in line with his past town behavior. I'm not townreading him for it, but I don't particularly agree with the suspicion, and the way in which everyone piled onto it looks extremely questionable to me.

This is not fua's scum game

I noticed while reading games earlier that you were just recently scum with them in 2252, I'm guessing that's where this opinion is coming from. Can you elaborate?

Correct , in direct comparison to that. I felt they came out of the gate much more prepared to lay a foundation of being a solid town read. Much more relaxed to open this game.

[Scorpious]

VOTE: gerain

haven't read much, but I'm pretty confident on this one

Heeeey! I don’t know you but I like you from last game!

[Scorpious]

dwlee, maybe you and I can big brain together

Possibly. Is this an endeavor I can accomplish?

Do you really think Greeting is scum?

[Scorpious]

easiest pagetop and read of my life

VOTE: Scorpious

1 post 2 fails..

Nice.

[Scorpious]

It’s not coming from me..

[Scorpious]

Scum are Jeff,gerain, and Ahri…

Fight me..

[Scorpious]

Scum are Jeff,gerain, and Ahri…

Fight me..

I will. I would get my buddies to join me but I cannot for the life of me think who ahri is.... I have nomemory of anything they've said

They voted me.. that’s essentially it.

And now they are stuck because they can’t hammer without being obvscum.

[Scorpious]

Nice distance btw

[Scorpious]

Anyone with half a brain can see the this is a shit wagon.

[Scorpious]

Greeting, do you plan on claiming?

[Scorpious]

Scum are Jeff,gerain, and Ahri…

Fight me..

I will. I would get my buddies to join me but I cannot for the life of me think who ahri is.... I have nomemory of anything they've said

They voted me.. that’s essentially it.

And now they are stuck because they can’t hammer without being obvscum.

I'm already on the wagon you numpty!

Please read the words as intended before making yourself look foolish.

Thanks

How is this not a wagon!

[Scorpious]

I mean I'm fairly confident in this

VOTE: Scorpious

he had way too much TMI yday

also gj guys I get 0 D1 game experience lol

Lol, ok scum.. why because I’m the only person that saw through the bs.

VOTE: Ahri

[Scorpious]

Or please just lim me..

One of the two. That was the sorriest excuse of a D1, I think I’ve ever seen.

And Ahri is flat out lying about any kind of “scummy” result.

[Scorpious]

I was even right about Bababooey. Smdh

[Scorpious]

Please do it..

We would both be happy.. you’re taking 2 dead slots plus my lim and a no
And basically planning Elo..

And I’m ok with that..

I want out of this. But mod has enough to deal with. This isn’t mafia. This is random vote newbie garbage.

[Scorpious]

Ebwop no=nk

[Scorpious]

Night kill

[Scorpious]

VOTE: Andante

THIS is what Dwlee should have shot.

Damnit… you’re scum too?

Nice D1.

[Scorpious]

VOTE: Scorpius
Baiii

Thank you

[Scorpious]

VOTE: Scorpious

3 more

[Scorpious]

Aww I didn’t even get a mention :sad face:

[Scorpious]

Ahri is obvscum butter. I’m VT..

Let’s at least torch one today.

[Scorpious]

VOTE: Ahri

[Scorpious]

If I was wrong about the scum team I would have been smoked last night.

[Scorpious]

Thoughts:
- Scorpious seems town.
- No idea about Ahri yet.
- There's probably 3 mafia members.
- Dwlee is a mafia doctor lets gooo VOTE: Dwlee99

So it’s Ahri, and Dwlee..

Are you going to claim?

[Scorpious]

Because with that nonsense yesterday I wouldn’t even be opposed to a mass claim.

[Scorpious]

Thoughts:
- Scorpious seems town.
- No idea about Ahri yet.
- There's probably 3 mafia members.
- Dwlee is a mafia doctor lets gooo VOTE: Dwlee99

You have Scorpious town but no idea on me?

lol?

it's more likely than you think...

again, if I claim investigative on Scorpious with a sussy result, would that change your mind?

Then you would be lying..

[Scorpious]

Google normal roles

Holy hell!

Roles explicitly normal for any alignment include doctors. I dunno bud, I made a guess off limited info and I have a night result that says you're definitely hiding something.

Not really digging this scaling back of the accusation. Last time is was defenitive, now you’re “making guesses off of limited info” and the less urgent “hiding something”

[Scorpious]

Capo is town btw

anyways V/LA for the weekend sorry

vote Scorpion pls

If you wanna vote me because I wouldn’t follow a shit wagon and say it’s because I know too much,
Please go right ahead. It would only be the second dumbest wagon so far in this game.

[Scorpious]

UNVOTE:

Well then..

[Scorpious]

How do we even do this now?

[Scorpious]

@mod

Did alignments change?

I’m not sure if this is a fair question I’m lost now.

[Scorpious]

Quiet Owl,

What is your mafia experience?

Couple words is fine, have you played many games?

[Scorpious]

On reread: I think I missed that the idea was to spring a trap and see if I'd claim VT? But also why gamble when >90% of scenarios a no gun result is just town?

I mean you’re still claiming VT so it doesn’t matter how we got here.

Mafia is Scorp/Butter/Dwlee. If Owl is lying we just lim him tomorrow. Town should realize a 1 for 1 trade is a good thing, especially if it’s a VT.

]Vote]Fua[/vote]
Me and Scorpius in a solve is lacking paying attention to the game and this entire post is just ridiculous

Two people claimed investigative results. Also what even is there to pay attention to?

VOTE: Scorpious

I’m hoping you aren’t taking Ahri seriously. If you are. You’re probably scum.

[Scorpious]

Going to vote Fua after Ahri gets back. Don't want to risk Fua being flash wagoned and then Ahri dying in the night before we get to hear what she has to say.

Ahri is scum, there is no reason a town would float the idea of claiming an investigative role and stating a scummy result on me..

[Scorpious]

On reread: I think I missed that the idea was to spring a trap and see if I'd claim VT? But also why gamble when >90% of scenarios a no gun result is just town?

I mean you’re still claiming VT so it doesn’t matter how we got here.

Mafia is Scorp/Butter/Dwlee. If Owl is lying we just lim him tomorrow. Town should realize a 1 for 1 trade is a good thing, especially if it’s a VT.

Lining up eliminations is not a very town behavior.

[Scorpious]

Suspect scum would be the ones trying to distance themselves from the Greeting wagon. Will go re-read to find who those were.

I agree that the deconstruction of that wagon is essential. Bring this game back a little to normalcy.

[Scorpious]

Greeting (7): Quiet Owl, geraintm, fua, Dwlee99, Hella Jeff, Galron, Andante [HAMMERED]

The opinion I had before the flip were that geranium,Jeff, and Ahri, who couldn’t hammer for obvious reasons.

[Scorpious]

ABWOP were scum

[Scorpious]

Sure. This is very similar to how he played when we were scum together anyway.

VOTE: Scorpious

being very Oprah like with these votes man.

This is the complete opposite of how I was when we were scum together.

For reference- I was scum and I had someone joke vote me and hold fast i was scum for like 4 real days and I was hyper defensive. Not even close.

Fua definitely changing up his game because he knows I know how much better his scum game than he's playing it right now, fooled me at the beginning. Now this blatent lie pushes me to vote.

VOTE: Fua

[Scorpious]

There is no pertinent info that can be shared about me..

[Scorpious]

Scum team is Ahri. Ger, and Pretty sure fua.

[Scorpious]

anyways I'll just claim bc the other two are afk in pt

im encryptor with two other masons, initially didnt want to die but since they're active in thread but not in PT is p useless anyways

let's vote scorpious now guys

Ahri why did you claim your masonry wtf

BECAUSE Y'ALL WONT USE PT AND WON'T VITE SCORPIOUS

CAN I CLAIM MASON COP IS THAT A THING

why are people putting up with this?

[Scorpious]

I claimed VT so long ago

[Scorpious]

anyways I'll just claim bc the other two are afk in pt

im encryptor with two other masons, initially didnt want to die but since they're active in thread but not in PT is p useless anyways

let's vote scorpious now guys

Ahri why did you claim your masonry wtf

BECAUSE Y'ALL WONT USE PT AND WON'T VITE SCORPIOUS

CAN I CLAIM MASON COP IS THAT A THING

why are people putting up with this?

because it's potentially true????????????????? you can't just say "lmao you're invalid" if you don't know if the claim is true or not

If this claim is true I will never play mafia ever again.. You can post this anywhere,,

[Scorpious]

meh I'm bored

Let's PK in {Scorpious, me} today, I'm 99% sure he's not town

it'd be really funny if we quickhammered scorpious and he actually turned out to be scum
VOTE: Scorpious

Am I E-1?

typically a town would say where the vote is at.

[Scorpious]

meh I'm bored

Let's PK in {Scorpious, me} today, I'm 99% sure he's not town

it'd be really funny if we quickhammered scorpious and he actually turned out to be scum
VOTE: Scorpious

and how funny would it be when I flip VT?

Like, I really dont care,this might be the worst game I've ever been in,

[Scorpious]

Welcome Nero Cain.

Please bring some intelligence to this game.

[Scorpious]

This game is a joke..

[Scorpious]

I have no idea. There's way too many people behaving in frankly a bizarre way for them all to be scum, which is making this game much harder than it needs to be.

This is why I’m saying, keep it simple.

No town motivation to act like Ahri right now.

Almost guaranteed scum.

[Scorpious]

thats not a thing?

yes it is.. even E-2.. its just a town behavior.

[Scorpious]

because we have a player with a guilty on them!
except they don't seem to want to elaborate for some reason

No... you dont..

[Scorpious]

some people do, some don't. saying it is alignment specific is rubbish.

fair we could argue its an eitquette thing, but i dont feel like it,and I doubt you do..

just seems town when i see it, but I think you're scum anyway,so it dont matter.

[Scorpious]

the way this game is going I would gladly accept my fate if it meant I didn't have to play anymore..

This game is so obvious, but nobody wants to see it, and instead of raging out I'm ready to be done with it.

Hell, I'll hammer myself at this point. This game is horrible.

[Scorpious]

DWlee can be scum because he's the most competent one that wants to vote me.

[Scorpious]

Competent lol

yes, i hold you above some of the other participants I've seen this game.

Thats why your vote bothers me, you should know better.

[Scorpious]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=88352

Here is the one game we have together

See the graveyard of dead townies

lol, fair. But you get my point

[Scorpious]

scorpions since its so "obvious" who are mafia?

you,fua,and ger

[Scorpious]

I just really didn't like Scorpious's D1 but they have gotten better on ate

you said I had TMI because I wasn't on the worst wagon of 2022,so far.. lol

[Scorpious]

Scorpious is doing the same AtE LAMIST stuff he did when we were scum together last game. Butterchurn is obvscumming and knows everyone’s alignments.

Wow. You are so off…

[Scorpious]

I guess Scorpious has nothing more to say on the matter.

I was commuting..

I doubt your scum and town game are THIS different.

You are clearly calculating everything you post this game. Considering the wifom between us based on being a team that game.

[Scorpious]

You are all

"I'm scum reading you!"

then you lambast me for moving my vote to Fua with the reasoning that if I have a strong feeling I shouldn't charge my vote

but then you don't vote for me despite your strong feeling that I was scum

Like you seem super scummy to me but I'm maybe a little worried that you are just LHF

let's start here today

VOTE: Enchant

Fine with that. Not like I’ve been right about anything so far. Except Greeting

VOTE: Enchant

[Scorpious]

You are all

"I'm scum reading you!"

then you lambast me for moving my vote to Fua with the reasoning that if I have a strong feeling I shouldn't charge my vote

but then you don't vote for me despite your strong feeling that I was scum

Like you seem super scummy to me but I'm maybe a little worried that you are just LHF

let's start here today

VOTE: Enchant

Fine with that. Not like I’ve been right about anything so far. Except Greeting

VOTE: Enchant

More scum jumping on me please?

It’s just a playstyle thing. I’m not a fan of yours.. hard for me to see good intentions in your play.

[Scorpious]

You don't even have reasons to think i am mafia?

Bruh. Maybe anime is right.

Bruh..

I just said it . I don’t see town motivation I’m any of your posts…

Bruh..

Like really bruh..

[Scorpious]

VOTE: Scorpious dont have time to read thru the thread right now but last time i checked fua was town so i was right

I’m cool with that. This game has been meh at best.

[Scorpious]

I think it’s worth nothing that Emchant has played this same game in EVERY game we’ve been in.

Im almost honored..

[Scorpious]

I mean I think (Enchant,

also tfw mason partner who is pr outs

like i'm useless compared to the other two which is why i outed to get scorpious limmed and save fua

but this guy just goes 'yep i'll self" after I soft mason with them

anyways for obvious reasons other mason is going to hide

imo we lim in {geria / scorpious / Enchant}

scorpious is pretty sussy off of attitude, geria was sussed out by Andante (who got replaced by i don't even remember who but the mason who outed) , I liked capo for voting scorpious bc i feel like he's pretty obvious mafia but after replacing in Enchant has been pretty quiet which isn't normal

I think I want to go here for today

VOTE: Scorpious

At this point it’s weird why you want me dead so bad..

[Scorpious]

Iso for both Enchant and capo22 is tiny and has very little content of substance in it. VOTE: Enchant

And there is Ahri saying how they liked how capo voted me. I can see an Ahri Enchant team right now.

Town reading Owl

[Scorpious]

This has been by far the absolute worst display of logic and debate I’ve ever witnessed in anything requiring logic and debate … I don’t even want to be a part of it

Enchant, ger, Ahri GG.. if that’s what you wanna call it.

VOTE: Scorpious

HAMMER

[Scorpious]

I just hope you are scum because you are soooo bad at being town if you aren’t lol..

[Scorpious]

Just bad joojoo all around this game.

I got a warning for calling out an obvious troll. Well. Obvious to anyone over 20..(who posted twice and got replaced, imagine that)the greeting wagon was atrocious, And just the absolute reluctance for any real gameplay,just a bunch of nonsense.

Butterchurn and Nero, I hope we find ourselves in a better game with each other. I like your styles.