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I'm Polish so when I saw the Polish rap music theme I was shooketh at the randomness of it. Where's Mata at?

VOTE: Capo22, are you an alt of user Cape90 or is the similarity of names just a coincidence?

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Lemme add to the vibe.

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Personally, I know that I tend to be a bit more cavalier with my townreads as mafia, because everything that a confirmed town does looks towny, and you can easily just hand them out like candy. As town I'm more hesitant and paranoid. But I've seen that a lot of people on this site tend to have a... looser approach than what I'm used to, so I dunno. Still weirds me out, though.

My personal experience so far is that outside of Newbie games players tend to put in less effort into reads. After playing like 3-4 Newbies in which players, also other than myself, were efforting rather much and sticking strictly to using logic and reads to solve the game (or misleading town in the case of mafia-aligned players) I played Open 838 and was slightly disappointed.

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I think that's because Newbie games are meant to prepare you for what is supposed to be good mafia play and then, when you're past the learning phase, you get confronted with reality. Kinda like how school prepares you for a world that doesn't exist.

Please do not discuss ongoing games. I redacted a sentence in this post. ~ Koba

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VOTE: Greeting

I take it as not an RVS vote. Funny how it happened right after I spoke of reads being unsubstantiated.

It’s inevitable. So I’m going to get the ball rolling…
This is damn early to be having discussion. No?

I saw an opportunity to use this thread as my personal confession box and I took it. I don't think there's much discussion here, since

butterchurn

chose not to respond to that.

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Good. I can now manufacture reads and blame non-newbies for the low effort without suspicion

There can be only one multiple of 11
VOTE: Dwlee99

11?

XI, if you're roman by any chance.

VOTE: Hella Jeff

VOTE: bababooey

Would scum really do this together/

VOTE: Capo22, are you an alt of user Cape90 or is the similarity of names just a coincidence?

Why do you sound so similar to Cape90?

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i Stil dont see what this is in referens to

I won't talk about that anymore, you'll have to figure it out for yourself. Sorry.

VOTE: Greeting
Do you only know Cape90 from mafiascum? Your takes irk me the most right now

Yes, I do only know Cape90 from MafiaScum.

And why do my takes irk you the most right now?

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Yes, I do only know Cape90 from MafiaScum.

And why do my takes irk you the most right now?

I feel like you're using your interactions + vote with Capo to stall, solidified by the fact that the person you're talking about has only one logged town game on here
content-wise, i just wouldn't have come to the same conclusion so easily, but that's most likely a difference in perspective

I think that knowledge is important and might be relevant for me reading that slot later. My vote on them is still very much an RVS vote.

If you think I’m stalling, then by all means, take the wheel and steer me away into another destination. I’m all ears, plus it’s not like I can’t go back either.

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I think that knowledge is important and might be relevant for me reading that slot later.

My vote on them is still very much an RVS vote.

If you think I’m stalling, then by all means, take the wheel and steer me away into another destination. I’m all ears, plus it’s not like I can’t go back either.

alright, i'll admit a bit of my bias here then; capo's one of the only people i got a gutread on from skimming, projecting the "i have gutreads" part to your vote is good for shit-stirring but is ultimately false

but i do think those reads should be present, do you haves?

It's honestly surprising that you already have a gutread on

Capo22

from their three posts, but question me about wanting to have a meta read from a game where Cape90 had more than a hundred posts.

I don't form reads, not even gutreads until at least half of Day One and even then I'm usually not very confident about any of them. So the answer is nope.

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No idea who that is @Greeting

Noted, I might have just been seeing things. I found it unusual you jumped right into non-Newbie games past joining. Of course, there is no rule barring you from doing this, but I still think that's unusual.

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@ scorpious

i am saying people should ignore me because i am going to spend the rest of today saying we should all skip to Night because day 1 is pointless.

And I say Day One might be useful. I used to believe that too, but MafiaScum games changed my mind. Given your rather distant join date, I'm rather surprised that you'd have such a take.

What's even weirder is you saying that we should ignore you, in 67. No. For me, you're potential scum just like all players in this game other than myself.

VOTE: geraintm

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I see potential for the fastest hammer ever Day One!

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I'm torn between encouraging this just for the lols and refusing to be voted out for absolute bullshit.

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It's honestly surprising that you already have a gutread on Capo22 from their three posts, but question me about wanting to have a meta read from a game where Cape90 had more than a hundred posts.

I don't form reads, not even gutreads until at least half of Day One and even then I'm usually not very confident about any of them. So the answer is nope.

my read - a weak read when it is acceptable to have one
your future meta read - a weak or completely inapplicable read when it won't be reasonable to have one

i've seen exceptional meta reads. in the first game i played, a player was convinced andante was scum through extensive reading of their town games
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p13126770
i reserve my right to poop on people who are planning to pedal half-baked meta reads in the future. refer to 47

The feel of this post tbh

Spoiler: boo

I'm actually quite critical of overreliance on meta, but it's better than nothing when starting to tackle the game Day One. And, since I played with that user before, I have analysed their behaviour before so I'd notice if something is different right away.

And I'd argue that saying

x is town

because of two or three posts isn't very helpful. I've gotten absolutely no useful clues from these posts in any of my games like, ever. Why would I trust a read that was formed by looking at three posts, even if made by town?

Even if we use any reads we can find when considering associations, I think associations is, quite frankly, a deeply flawed and unreliable strategy to try early in Day One.

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Greeting defensive tunneling, trying to grab an opportunistic thread with Geraint, and cracking under the pressure of a few votes reeks of scumminess.

You really think you're doing something here, don't you?

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Defensive tunnelling.

I'd call it looking for holes in an argument being used against me. And that's supposedly scummy. Boo!

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Greeting defensive tunneling, trying to grab an opportunistic thread with Geraint, and cracking under the pressure of a few votes reeks of scumminess.

You really think you're doing something here, don't you?

You have a very sunny and positive disposition. I like your style.

I just think your absolute certainty that you supposedly found scum so fast is funny.

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Idk greeting seems kinda scummy bite me

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VOTE: greeting

This is E-2 btw and one of the worst wagons I've ever seen...

At least 2 scum on this flash wagon

right now I feel Hella Jeff,and ger..

This is not fua's scum game

are you calling me suspiscious because of my vote on Greeting? my random vote?

I don't think it's random anymore if I'm being put at E-2.

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easiest pagetop and read of my life

VOTE: Scorpious

Not a pagetop and more of a naked vote than a read.

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Getting, we have played what maybe 3-4 games now in the past month or so and you have yet to center-spose me. I'm hurt.

I'm using it in either a context throwing shade at someone or a "that's so

player name

" context. You shouldn't be feeling hurt at me not doing this to you, that means that you've either not done something that warrants me throwing shade at you or I just don't know your play that well - as in, you aren't doing something that I find so characteristic of your posting style to say "that so

Galron

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my vote was random. i didn't put you to 2 away from elimination. are you seriously saying i am suspicious because i knew a bunch of other people would all vote for you and i shouldn't have voted for you?

I am saying that your lack of reaction to your random vote being put at E-2 makes you at least willing for this to go through. And thus, by being idle, you

are

taking a stance.

I could understand this still being a random vote if vote counts weren't being posted regularly. But in this game they are, at least so far, fairly regular and the mod aims to make them as attention-grabbing as possible by trying to put them on top of each page. So they're pretty hard to miss.

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fua

and

Hella Jeff

, you don't sound like new players. Who are your mains?

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I've made up my mind and I'm actually not going to hammer nor self-vote this game. The information that my flip will give will be much less valuable than a townie gone.

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So if y'all really want me out then you'll have to find that last vote on your own. Don't bother explaining it!

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Just hold on.

Oooh! A gambit.

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Greeting, do you plan on claiming?

I am a Vanilla Townie.

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fua

and

Hella Jeff

, you don't sound like new players. Who are your mains?

Why does it matter?

Because meta can be relevant.

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I've made up my mind and I'm actually not going to hammer nor self-vote this game. The information that my flip will give will be much less valuable than a townie gone.

No one should self vote barring exceptional circumstances. Saying you won't do something dumb earns you no points from me.

Whatever.

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Greeting, just ignore them, I shall be on team Greeting! and we can find maf

I'd love to be scumcased so I could defend myself, but this has got to be the most ridiculous wagon I've ever seen - not just on myself but on anyone ever.

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fua

and

Hella Jeff

, you don't sound like new players. Who are your mains?

Gargalon.

Thank you.

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Do not hammer before claim but I really don't get the "I won't self-hammer" thing

It's a thing I sometimes do if I think is beneficial to town. But this time it really isn't. Sure, I've no power role so a loss of a VT wouldn't hurt that much, but I've paid close attention to the way this wagon went and it'll be hard to weed out potential scum from the naked votes thrown at me like dollars at a pole dancer.

Plus, even in spite the fact that I'm on E-1, I will not share any reads since I do not think my reads will be good enough and I'd rather not have anyone rallying around them.

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how is self hammering ever beneficial to town when deadline is 7 days away??

It's a playstyle thing. I'd rather just drop it.

Anyway, I'm off to sleep soon. I'll be surprised if I'm not hammered by the time I'm back so bye, I guess.

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Congratulations, you voted out a...

Vanilla Townie

Bye!

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I didn’t enjoy playing this game of chat mafia/gamethrowing competition, but I would still like to extend my thanks to the host for their efforts. At least it have found the game useful in the expansion of my blacklist.

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Oh, and of course congratulations to the scumteam. If I were on the winning team, I wouldn’t be very happy though as I think the main reason of scums winning is simply town being abysmal.