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[Hella Jeff]

[Hella Jeff]

Spoiler:

i Stil dont see what this is in referens to

[Hella Jeff]

Never mind, I don’t want to deal with this gimmick.

VOTE: Hella Jeff

OK. Who else

[Hella Jeff]

VOTE: Greeting
Do you only know Cape90 from mafiascum? Your takes irk me the most right now

[Hella Jeff]

Yes, I do only know Cape90 from MafiaScum.

And why do my takes irk you the most right now?

I feel like you're using your interactions + vote with Capo to stall, solidified by the fact that the person you're talking about has only one logged town game on here
content-wise, i just wouldn't have come to the same conclusion so easily, but that's most likely a difference in perspective

[Hella Jeff]

Would you regard it different if they knew them from anywhere else?

Yes, namely MU where they've efforted the most as both alignments, I'm not sure they can glean anything from MS Cape

[Hella Jeff]

if it's personal curiosity then i'll drop it

[Hella Jeff]

I think that knowledge is important and might be relevant for me reading that slot later.

My vote on them is still very much an RVS vote.

If you think I’m stalling, then by all means, take the wheel and steer me away into another destination. I’m all ears, plus it’s not like I can’t go back either.

alright, i'll admit a bit of my bias here then; capo's one of the only people i got a gutread on from skimming, projecting the "i have gutreads" part to your vote is good for shit-stirring but is ultimately false

but i do think those reads should be present, do you haves?

I feel like you're using your interactions + vote with Capo to stall

To stall? This strikes me as a strange choice of phrasing to apply to the current situation, I don't think I follow. Can you expand on what you mean by this?

greeting asks "are you cape90?" to their (RVS) vote and makes it their primary talking point. it felt pretty insignificant to bring up once more after capo decided he wouldn't answer it the first time. the thing greeting would be stalling here is any additional input on Capo

[Hella Jeff]

It's honestly surprising that you already have a gutread on Capo22 from their three posts, but question me about wanting to have a meta read from a game where Cape90 had more than a hundred posts.

I don't form reads, not even gutreads until at least half of Day One and even then I'm usually not very confident about any of them. So the answer is nope.

my read - a weak read when it is acceptable to have one
your future meta read - a weak or completely inapplicable read when it won't be reasonable to have one

i've seen exceptional meta reads. in the first game i played, a player was convinced andante was scum through extensive reading of their town games
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p13126770
i reserve my right to poop on people who are planning to pedal half-baked meta reads in the future. refer to 47

[Hella Jeff]

I m annoyed how ANGRY i sound, if anyone feels the same enjoy this cat

Spoiler: miau

[Hella Jeff]

@ scorpious

i am saying people should ignore me because i am going to spend the rest of today saying we should all skip to Night because day 1 is pointless.

2nd time i've heard this from you, second time i wonder how you even have fun playing mafia

[Hella Jeff]

galron giving people an out and then acknowledging his mistake later makes me happy

[Hella Jeff]

god i hate relyingon meta but you can't get away from it

i think itś a GREAT tool in the earlygame in the absence of information but it just so happens that the people i know from previous games have not posted more than twice (aside from geraint, praise be)

I don't see a recent scumgame where

[geraint]

took this approach, but it's a clear enough attitude

that I would assume him to be capable of imitating it),

this is correct

[Hella Jeff]

I don't really buy it. I've read all of Greeting's past games (he's the only one in this game that I've played with before) and he picks up votes for things like this as town very often, and his behavior seems pretty in character for how he is as town. I agree that his wording in that post is strange, but his wording is often strange, I don't think it's AI for him here. He has no scum games onsite, so I don't know how he'd play if that were the case, but to me this seems like much lower hanging fruit than geraintm. [snip]

bumping my response to you here, i didn't see an answer
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is his stalling a behavior that doesn't deviate from his towngames?
(also, what games are you using? this is probably more important than anything else)

[Hella Jeff]

I'm actually quite critical of overreliance on meta, but it's better than nothing when starting to tackle the game Day One.

And, since I played with that user before, I have analysed their behaviour before so I'd notice if something is different right away.

And I'd argue that saying x is town because of two or three posts isn't very helpful. I've gotten absolutely no useful clues from these posts in any of my games like, ever. Why would I trust a read that was formed by looking at three posts, even if made by town?

Even if we use any reads we can find when considering associations, I think associations is, quite frankly, a deeply flawed and unreliable strategy to try early in Day One.

i agree! the majority of my argument however was "cape has a lot of experience offsite, and it's going to take a lot of work to achieve consistent results that are worth using in a game". the argument's pointless now, but it's that amount of experience that shows me that if they are a hard read inside of a game, looking at other games will be just as hard

i like gutreads because in forum, the only people who care are people with similar thought processes. kinda hard to convince someone that isn't "in on it", you're right
also cuz i'm pretty good at pegging town as long as i don't go off the deep end. kinda all

[Hella Jeff]

This is E-2 btw and one of the worst wagons I've ever seen...

VOTE: Greeting
E-1

[Hella Jeff]

that's actually so awesome it refreshed my position in the wagon

[Hella Jeff]

yall I was maf with gerain in a game recently, and he's playing the exact same card he did there, so can we just lim gerain and move on?

Fish in the Sea for those who are curious, we endgamed... and gerain did this exact same play

DUDE
i have my own piece about this, dug deeperbut i do want to hear more about your experience

[Hella Jeff]

Scorpious / Hella Jeff / (geraintm, fua)

it's a next boys.

i town

[Hella Jeff]

I didn't see a question. The stalling seemed fairly insignificant to me, or perhaps it's just nuanced enough that it's not something I pick up on. So on that point specifically,

I don't recall it occurring previously, but if I didn't pick up on what you're talking about here I think I'd be unlikely to pick up on it elsewhere.

didn't mean to phrase it as a question, i was more looking for some acknowledgement of my post since you were talking about greeting votes in general
the question i DID give you was shitty and the answer was in arm's reach soz
i dont think the stalling thing is nuanced, just underexplained
i think if i were to tie it to something to develop my idea, it'd be a consequence of busywork, which i can't seem to find the definition of

the games deserve a read to check a few behaviors, expect that when school no longer has a chokehold on me

[Hella Jeff]

are you calling me suspiscious because of my vote on Greeting? my random vote?

gun to head, who would you be voting if not Greeting?

[Hella Jeff]

Getting, we have played what maybe 3-4 games now in the past month or so and you have yet to center-spose me. I'm hurt.

this cat smells unconscious guilt

Spoiler:

[Hella Jeff]

Holding geraint hostage until they do something that isnt backed up by years of games isn't a bad idea
i feel terrible making this comparison but they remind me of Not_Mafia and that man is absolutely not readable w time

[Hella Jeff]

There's a case for Greeting maf? I'm feeling Greeting town tbh

y?

[Hella Jeff]

fua

and

Hella Jeff

, you don't sound like new players. Who are your mains?

Gargalon.

[Hella Jeff]

hey jeff, do I hammer it without reading anything?

not without writing an essay on how greeting feels town
because you still owe me that btw

[Hella Jeff]

I owe you a greeting town essay? then I'm supposed to vote greeting?

every day 1 hammer has to end like that, it's tradition

[Hella Jeff]

ok i looked back and it turns out it was not an essay, but in fact a song

[Hella Jeff]

Greeting, just ignore them, I shall be on team Greeting! and we can find maf

I'd love to be scumcased so I could defend myself, but this has got to be the most ridiculous wagon I've ever seen - not just on myself but on anyone ever.

kinda hurts tbh i tried hard to make it tangible because when the responses i get are lackluster and it's my fault i feel stupid

[Hella Jeff]

um...............................
so no song?

[Hella Jeff]

no but i actually wanted to dive them assuming that they'd try to do it back since i outted myself
should i have mentioned that

[Hella Jeff]

guys.

guess what

[Hella Jeff]

guys.

guess what

i got boosted yesterday
i am Sick
thank you

[Hella Jeff]

Aww I didn’t even get a mention :sad face:

should ve been on the award winning wagon you fool

[Hella Jeff]

VOTE: Andante
State Thy Intentions
i have.. the receipts

[Hella Jeff]

andante simply put i am afraid

[Hella Jeff]

Thoughts:
- Scorpious seems town.
- No idea about Ahri yet.
- There's probably 3 mafia members.
- Dwlee is a mafia doctor lets gooo VOTE: Dwlee99

You have Scorpious town but no idea on me?

lol?

it's more likely than you think...

[Hella Jeff]

afraid of what?

21th letter of the alphabet

Thoughts:
- Scorpious seems town.
- No idea about Ahri yet.
- There's probably 3 mafia members.
- Dwlee is a mafia doctor lets gooo VOTE: Dwlee99

You have Scorpious town but no idea on me?

lol?

it's more likely than you think...

again, if I claim investigative on Scorpious with a sussy result, would that change your mind?

dayplay > mechs for evar but it depends on how cool your role sounds

[Hella Jeff]

UNVOTE:
Ok gobba eat

[Hella Jeff]

wild guess Quiet and Dwlee are town then, maybe not dwlee, but definitely Quiet

mm do you have any ideas on when they should fullclaim then?

[Hella Jeff]

nice RT btw quiet i dig that shit

[Hella Jeff]

didn't quiet already claim gs?

i mean dwlee, mb

[Hella Jeff]

why make dwlee claim?

it's day 2.. we don't need everyone claiming now

it shouldn't happen today i agree
but i think it should happen at some point to cover our bases

[Hella Jeff]

Jesus

[Hella Jeff]

mmmmm i'm shit at scumhunting but in my opinion fua's scumteam seems legit
we should make a poe though umm who's the most towny

hi yeezys (and future bababooey replacement)
ur caught up right

right now i'm working with jeff-dwlee-quiet as a base and churn-capo below
scorp used to be in there but that's in the gutter rn

[Hella Jeff]

If Arhi is indeed in a masonry then a buddy could have a gulity but if they do and she's dancing around it then its dumb as fuck to do so.

@ahri confirm this?

[Hella Jeff]

sorry that i've been lurking
this week so far has been terribad and full of other priorities,
ill be sure to cut out some time for this tonight and find the Objectively Correct Decision

[Hella Jeff]

yeah taht self vote killed a lot of my motivation tbh

i concur with butterchurn, namely their point abt 451
if a slot, across accounts has a history of slimy votes then i'm pretty damn sure they're open wolfing lol
VOTE: yeezys

[Hella Jeff]

enchant wagon ?
i liked capo

[Hella Jeff]

UNVOTE:
wauw

i liked capo

y?

they were one of the only funny people in the game
that's abt all i remember

[Hella Jeff]

I think it’s worth nothing that Emchant has played this same game in EVERY game we’ve been in.

Im almost honored..

what do you mean by this?

[Hella Jeff]

the game gives me a headache now, i plant my feet down on the andante slot and they were gambiting without doing anything after
like, i got snowed by her the last mini normal we played together because she made an effort to directly appeal to me (to the point where she changed her opinions on the fly) and they do the exact same thing here
i figured it was some sort of reaction test but zero follow-up when asked is just
Just

right now i think scorpious is just as slimy (in=game) and they're certainly not a mason, i'll put that into more words later

[Hella Jeff]

Spoiler:

Enchant is prob a green pm with how Hella Jeff treated his slot. I originally thought they were scum together with how Jeff went after Greeting for voting Capo but then Jeff questioning an Enchant wagon b/c capo was funny feels like a straight up scum reaction to me.

you're going to have to spell this one out for me.
i think you have no idea at what i was getting at with my response so i'll outline it:
- nonconformist player is +town
- in general, cocky attitudes are +town [emphasized by enchant's joker impression later]
what reason is there to dismantle this read right now?

also

right now i think scorpious is just as slimy (in=game) and they're certainly not a mason, i'll put that into more words later

just felt like going with the flow and it being day 3 with no scum flipped having a singular focus just doesn't seem honest

this is wack also, since you're ignoring just about everything i've shared today to say this
your quote strengthens the fact that i'm well aware that zero scum have flipped, i'm doing my own work on a wagon that someone else spearheaded after a wagon of my own doing flopped and the other i had no agency over

so like is this accusation because i'm not evaluating entire scumteams ? because i feel like it is and if so, that's a conscious decision, last time i did that it completely ruined the accuracy of my reads
here's https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p13157850 onward, read and tell me your entire body doesn't wrinkle up in disgust

of course, he has these excuses for not participating very much

i've been participating just fine, thanks
at least by this game's standards

[Hella Jeff]

tl;dr i'm staying in poland good night

[Hella Jeff]

ok, so when I asked you what you liked about him instead of explaining that you have a town read on him for ^ reasons you opted to NOT talk about his alignment but tell me that he was funny. Even if your "he's funny" was meant to be that you thought he was town how was I supposed to get that? To me, saying that you don't want to vote a guy b/c he's "funny" seems like a great excuse to not vote someone but leave your options open.

because you asked why i was questioning his wagon along with the fact that he weren't here anymore to be "funny"? i understand that it isn't as clear cut as i could've made it but the read has

been

there

no. that's just busywork. Like I sorta get it..."I called 3 people scum and only one of them was." You weren't very accurate, no sweat, most of us aren't. But saying that you have to change your playstyle b/c of it just seems silly to me.

And you were still 1-3 there

and if scorp is town you'll be 0-2 here. There's a good chunk of scum motivation in singular hunting and going with whatever popular wagon there is.

was 0-2 instead of 1-3, one scum had flipped prior but that's not too important to what i have to say

so i'm an alt right
i use this acc to experiment
doing that ruined my otherwise fine reads
i use alternatives to that behavior in another game to see what sticks
maybe silly? wtvr
regardless you're overblowing the fact that i'm singular hunting here, i'm town, i see the potential in pushing a tight POE but there's Reasons i'm refraining, at least for right now

[Hella Jeff]

you guys didn't force a solve out of scorpious that didn't have any masons, that's a cardinal sin
not that it matters anymore
i need owl's second gunsmith check

[Hella Jeff]

VOTE: Nero Cain

[Hella Jeff]

Jeff, who do you think is scum?

i did some work that i'll organize tommorow
i have nero/geraint/(you, owl) when taking both associatives and individual reads into account. don't think there are other feasible pairings
latter is more likely than the former, quiet desperately needs to open w something so i can close in on 3rd position.

unrelated but i just skimmed the day-long bickering, all i took from it is that 'if you have a singular townread in the non-masons then any 2 of the remainder contains scum'
was there anything else

ig we have to vote in them two bc lylo votes locked

is not locked .
but, not keen on switching votes

[Hella Jeff]

Incorrect. There's 2 masons, and 5 others. 3 of the 5 are scum.

For any town among that 5, it should be immediately obvious to them that 3 of the remaining 4 are scum, and therefore that 1 of any 2 out of that 4 is scum (because there's only 1 town in the group).

If you have a townread, then you know the remaining 3 are the scumteam. What you said is true only if from your perspective, the remaining 4 is actually composed of 2 town and 2 scum, and I can think of exactly one reason why that might be the case. I feel like you should know this already if you're town, but it seems like Nero didn't really get it either, and you're not both town, so maybe I'm overestimating how much other people think about this sort of thing.

that's cool and all but like, i townread myself, it's not a slip, i wanted to make the statement as general as possible so it made sense from an outsider's perspective

[Hella Jeff]

they say you cant have a full town GY

I say watch me.

VOTE: Hella Jeff

Spoiler:

[Hella Jeff]

I didn't blast you at all, I thought it was odd behavior from you, and mentioned how my perceived likelihood of teams had changed as a result, but was still open to a switch. And no, earlier I was also willing to vote Jeff, and expected that I would be voting either Jeff or you. I thought Jeff was more suspicious than you (and said so), but wanted to wait to see how he responded to some questions I had for him. He mostly ignored them.

that was because of time, but i'll continue to do so because my slot is going to get annihilated in the coming hours, there's no way that ahri's going to unvote before then
i'm VT

[Hella Jeff]

VOTE: Not_Mafia

[Hella Jeff]

lol wow... not how I expected that to play out... town had 3 masons...