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[House]

VOTE: Datisi

[House]

VOTE: datisi

Let's get this out of the way.

VOTE: datisi

I am sorry you rolled scum this time.

It is indeed very sad

VOTE: dats

~
Hi all!

@catboi i am vla fridays and saturdays!

VOTE: Datisi

If any of these votes are scum, it's skitter.

I doubt it, though.

[House]

VOTE: Datisi

hold on they made more than just Space Jam??

Bwuh?

That song was out before Space Jam. Made for good drinking game background music to this freshly minted 21 year old back in the day.

[House]

actually, provisionally add reformed toxic player to the above list. 80% less of a headache.

Call me town or I'll make the game 150% more of a headache.

You know I can do it.

[House]

Up!

[House]

kind of sad you think I would let you get quickhammered early d1 tho

i think scum!you would rather do that than have to lie to me for the entirety of this game <3

I would never try to kill you if I was scum dear.

IME, scum say this a lot.

[House]

Im town

Naked votes are not a scumtell.

I agree with both of these posts.

VOTE: innocentvillager

[House]

VOTE: innocentvillager

Oh wait, you still haven't called me town.

VOTE: Datisi

[House]

House, this is your first game back, right?

Good lord, no.

[House]

Oh wait, you still haven't called me town.

you're not town, tho.

You can't say you weren't warned.

[House]

House, this is your first game back, right?

Good lord, no.

Oh that's bad then

You might think it is, but it's really not.

[House]

House, this is your first game back, right?

Good lord, no.

Oh that's bad then

Also, my Datisi vote is not RVS.

[House]

"you don't wanna townread me!!" is basically rvs.

Not in my case.

I was considering voting Noctyrne tbh, but now i just want to vote House.

You have very rigid opinions as to how "a good little townie" is supposed to act...

... whereas I'm more of a "chaotic good" townie & "lawful evil" scum.

[House]

"you don't wanna townread me!!" is basically rvs.

Not in my case.

I was considering voting Noctyrne tbh, but now i just want to vote House.

You have very rigid opinions as to how "a good little townie" is supposed to act...

... whereas I'm more of a "chaotic good" townie & "lawful evil" scum.

Note: Datisi was in the game that quote was posted.

[House]

"you don't wanna townread me!!" is basically rvs.

Not in my case.

I was considering voting Noctyrne tbh, but now i just want to vote House.

You have very rigid opinions as to how "a good little townie" is supposed to act...

... whereas I'm more of a "chaotic good" townie & "lawful evil" scum.

Note: Datisi was in the game that quote was posted.

Scratch that, Datisi was in frogsfrogs, my scumgame that matches the quote.

Got mixed up there.

[House]

This has to be the earliest I've caught scum.

[House]

you have done nothing this game that can be qualified as either "chaotic", "good", "lawful", or "evil". so my question still remains.

Dats is either lying or not even trying to solve.

Im town

Naked votes are not a scumtell.

I agree with both of these posts.

VOTE: innocentvillager

[House]

i read 120 as a shitpost. if your argument here is that 120 (a post where you or so hilariously vote someone after agreeing they're town) is out of your scumrange, that is (1) really sad, and (2) not something i'm buying.

Because you're scum.

[House]

Datisi has seen how carefully I play as scum, up close.

He correctly scumread me based on my predecessor, and I flipped his read.

My play is absolutely nothing like that game.

[House]

This has to be the earliest I've caught scum.

i'm scum because... after having played one (1) short game with you, i am somehow supposed to magically know that you play so far this game is so wacky and out there that it would never ever come from scum!you. and it's only me specifically that should know that. 1/10 reaction test, see me after class.

Why would scum need to do reaction tests?

Good job TMI'ing me town.

[House]

Scratch that, Datisi was in frogsfrogs, my scumgame that matches the quote.

Got mixed up there.

So the meta you were basing this on was wrong, and you're shifting the goalposts to make it fit? I'm not following why I should buy this is a serious vote.

Nope. The meta of frogs confirms the statement in the quote.

No shifting, whatsoever.

[House]

"you don't wanna townread me!!" is basically rvs.

Not in my case.

I was considering voting Noctyrne tbh, but now i just want to vote House.

You have very rigid opinions as to how "a good little townie" is supposed to act...

... whereas I'm more of a "chaotic good" townie & "lawful evil" scum.

This post was made in a town game.

frogs! is proof I wasn't lying about my scum meta. That game was proof I wasn't lying about my town meta.

[House]

Why would scum need to do reaction tests?

why would scum need to read the game? why would scum have to post content?

Survival.

Nice attempt at deflection, though.

[House]

Scratch that, Datisi was in frogsfrogs, my scumgame that matches the quote.

Got mixed up there.

So the meta you were basing this on was wrong, and you're shifting the goalposts to make it fit? I'm not following why I should buy this is a serious vote.

Nope. The meta of frogs confirms the statement in the quote.

No shifting, whatsoever.

Well, the quote is so vague it is essentially meaningless, thus comparisons to the quote are also meaningless.

Seems post hoc reasoning to me.

Then perhaps I've overestimated the abilities of seasoned players. :shrug:

[House]

if you allegedly snowed me in that mini, WHY should i be giving you an easy townread here? wouldn't it be logical that i'd be more wary of you?

Because my town & scum games stand in stark contrast to each other.

I'm easier to read than Creature was back in the day.

[House]

House, you should reveal as IC so we can add "twice" to your sig.

Nah.

Hardclaim: Town Jester

[House]

to borrow a great player's words, house's arguments are so bad, it has to be a townie talking out of their own ass.

Reductio ad absurdum is a common scum tactic.

[House]

Anywho, now that my vote is locked in, I'm heading to work.

See you folks later.

[House]

i think this is a silly argument and probably tvt
if either is scum here i'd say house but i don't particularly think he is

Copycat.

[House]

I've played one game with House so far, and this is exactly how he acted as town in that one, including the fast af claim

VOTE: laplacian

Laplacian confirmed town on Dats red flip

[House]

so you're scum with someone else?? :O

I am town

[House]

i think ari is town :3

[House]

Imma go waste the rest of my day on The Outer Worlds if people ain't gonna give me anything to troll.

[House]

Ok a real note, A50 does not get a townread from me over that hedgey as hell claim.

[House]

skitter can be taken for liking the bunny pics.

[House]

skitter can be town* for liking the bunny pics.

EBWOP

[House]

catboi i like the bunny pics

the claim from a50 is nai

that latest bunny looks somewhat concerned about you

You're only saying that because the red text in your role pm has you motivated to spread suspicion onto townies.

[House]

I am an angel

Never said you weren't.

Although, Satan usually refers to his as demons.

To-may-toe, to-mah-toe.

[House]

there's only one animal that eats rabbits in this game...

How do you know about my diet?

[House]

house why do i feel like you're wk'ing me ?

You should see me defend Titus when I townread her.

This ain't shit.

[House]

I am an angel

Never said you weren't.

Although, Satan usually refers to his as demons.

To-may-toe, to-mah-toe.

Let's play a game.

You can be the cop and I will be someone you've brought into the station for questioning.

Please feel free to grill me on anything you want.

Where were you on the night of June 17th, 2015?

[House]

Well it was a Wednesday and I had just been around two months out of my last relationship and my friends thought it would do me good to get out there again.

They set me up with this somewhat cute guy for a blind date; he drove a custom GTR and took me to dinner in this cute little Italian place on south side of Long Island. He ordered a bottle of white wine and veal milanese; I had squid ink linguine with seafood. We talked about our favorite vacation spots; he said he enjoyed hiking through mountains and jungles in South America and meeting people and enjoying different cultures and traditions. Afterwards we took a long walk on the beach and listened to the ocean waves, I pointed out various stars in the sky and I'm not sure he was particularly paying attention.

You know who's concerned about appearing above reproach at all times and having answers to everything to avoid suspicion?

Mafia.

Caught.

[House]

Are you going to self-dialogue now?

I don't have DID, so unless you're making some joke in poor taste, I don't understand why you're asking that.

[House]

I don't know what DID is.

I was referring to the part of the movie where the genius cop lays out his fool proof case and everyone just watches in awe.

That's monologue.

self-dialogue is what it's called when a person with Dissociative Identity Disorder holds a conversation between different identities.

[House]

I see - thank you for correcting me!

[House]

ari v house is tvt

Duh.

I'm trolling her.

[House]

Spoiler:

Part 1: https://www.personal.psu.edu/faculty/j/ ... neo300.htm

Take the short or long version of the test then copy paste results (and specify which version please.) Link source is credible and the webpage contains further links to credible sources with very detailed information on this psychometric tool if you want to read.

Part 2 is below and can be copy pasted or quote-edited underneath your test results from Part 1. There are 15 Likert-scale questions (1-5), two short response questions, and one list.

__________

Part 2:

(Short written response)

How do you tell stories?

Answer:

(15 Likert scale questions, choose 1-5: 1 = Very strongly disagree and 5 = Very strongly agree)

I frequently am interested in an early town block when playing mafia online.
12345
I frequently double-down under pressure on my FoS when playing mafia online.
12345
I frequently get mis-eliminated early when playing mafia online.
12345
I frequently can identify correctly on D1 who is town when playing mafia online.
12345
I frequently can convince others of who to eliminate when playing mafia online.
12345
I can manipulate others in a variety of situations offline.
12345
I lie frequently in a variety of situations offline.
12345
I Socialize frequently in a variety of situations offline.
12345
I Can tell when others are lying in a variety of situations offline.
12345
I Can often convince others of complete fabrications in a variety of situations offline.
12345
I have at least five strong town reads at this point in time.
12345
I believe we should execute EoD a player in the middle of most players PoE at this point in time.
12345
I believe there is more than one scum at the bottom of my PoE at this point in time.
12345
I believe this is an easy town for mafia to hide in at this point in time.
12345
I'm at least moderately suspicious of any of the top three most active posters at this point in time.
12345

(Short written response)

How do you create stories?

Answer:



Sort full player PoE list at this point in time:

(most town)

Almost50
Andresvmb
Aristeia
Datisi
Frogsterking
House
innocentvillager
Laplacian
OutWorldER
Reformed Toxic Player
skitter30
Something_Smart
VP Baltar

(most mafia)

__________

Mine:

Part 1: https://www.personal.psu.edu/faculty/j/ ... neo300.htm

I took the short test!

DOMAIN/Facet Score
EXTRAVERSION 34
..Friendliness 13
..Gregariousness 21
..Assertiveness 44
..Activity Level 88
..Excitement-Seeking 56
..Cheerfulness 18
Your score on Extraversion is average, indicating you are neither a subdued loner nor a jovial chatterbox. You enjoy time with others but also time alone.

DOMAIN/Facet Score
AGREEABLENESS 7
..Trust 1
..Morality 29
..Altruism 13
..Cooperation 1
..Modesty 55
..Sympathy 73
Your score on Agreeableness is low, indicating less concern with others' needs Than with your own. People see you as tough, critical, and uncompromising.

DOMAIN/Facet Score
CONSCIENTIOUSNESS 3
..Self-Efficacy 1
..Orderliness 3
..Dutifulness 28
..Achievement-Striving 46
..Self-Discipline 4
..Cautiousness 22
Your score on Conscientiousness is low, indicating you like to live for the moment and do what feels good now. Your work tends to be careless and disorganized.

DOMAIN/Facet Score
NEUROTICISM 99
..Anxiety 99
..Anger 99
..Depression 63
..Self-Consciousness 75
..Immoderation 99
..Vulnerability 99
Your score on Neuroticism is high, indicating that you are easily upset, even by what most people consider the normal demands of living. People consider you to be sensitive and emotional.

DOMAIN/Facet Score
OPENNESS 75
..Imagination 89
..Artistic Interests 78
..Emotionality 65
..Adventurousness 86
..Intellect 70
..Liberalism 10
Your score on Openness to Experience is high, indicating you enjoy novelty, variety, and change. You are curious, imaginative, and creative.
__________

Part 2:

(Short written response)

How do you tell stories?

Answer: I prefer to have everything written down and practiced before hand because often I get anxious and talk too quickly and skip over details. Often when it comes time to tell the story I'm running late, can't find the location, and I've not finished the story yet and/or I've misplaced something I needed which makes the anxiety worse. Usually I'm avoiding being the one to tell the story and I'm trying to become the one to write the script or come up with ideas.

(15 Likert scale questions, choose 1-5: 1 = Very strongly disagree and 5 = Very strongly agree)

I frequently am interested in an early town block when playing mafia online.
123

4

5
I frequently double-down under pressure on my FoS when playing mafia online.
1234

5

I frequently get mis-eliminated early when playing mafia online.

1

2345
I frequently can identify correctly on D1 who is town when playing mafia online.
123

4

5
I frequently can convince others of who to eliminate when playing mafia online.
1234

5

I can manipulate others in a variety of situations offline.

1

2345
I lie frequently in a variety of situations offline.

1

2345
I Socialize frequently in a variety of situations offline.
1

2

345
I Can tell when others are lying in a variety of situations offline.
12

3

45
I Can often convince others of complete fabrications in a variety of situations offline.

1

2345
I have at least five strong town reads at this point in time.
1234

5

I believe we should execute EoD a player in the middle of most players PoE at this point in time.
123

4

5
I believe there is more than one scum at the bottom of my PoE at this point in time.
12

3

45
I believe this is an easy town for mafia to hide in at this point in time.
1

2

345
I'm at least moderately suspicious of any of the top three most active posters at this point in time.

1

2345

(Short written response)

How do you create stories?

Answer: My stories are intuitively/heuristically derived, I create them all the time in my head automatically and I just choose aspects of what I'm seeing to focus on and become the story.



Sort full player PoE list at this point in time:

(most town)

Frogsterking
skitter30
House
Datisi
Aristeia
Almost50
OutWorldER
Laplacian
Andresvmb
innocentvillager
Something_Smart
Reformed Toxic Player
VP Baltar

(most mafia)

Yeah, no... I'm a phone poster, so I'm not doing this.

[House]

House, what is your thought on IV?

I'm naturally wary of old guard.

I'm not even gonna pretend to have a read on players with older join dates than my own this early on d1.

... except Titus. I'll call her town on page 1 and marry that read.

[House]

I'm naturally wary of old guard.

You're probably considered old guard at this point. But why do you feel that way?

Not really, I was only active for a couple years.

I've only recently (legitimately) returned.

I was here a while under different names evading my indefinite ban, but my play was so stilted trying to avoid being caught out that those games didn't really benefit me much.

I still feel like a rookie, in many respects.

[House]

I would hammer frog over Baltar 10 times out of 10, at this point.

Still prefer Scorpious, though.

[House]

here are reads that have a 140% chance of making me look like an idiot in post-game

the closer to the left edge you are, the more i townread you
the closer to the right edge you are, the more i scumread you
and the further up you are, the bigger the headache you give me

Spoiler:

NGL, kinda honored.

[House]

Ok really frog is town theyre just pushing silly strategy which isnt scummy just ambitious :3

Yeah, maybe. I find the extremely questionable framing and not answering simple questions pretty anti-town, but he might just play like shit so idk.

Not to mention, not answering questions is pretty inconsistent coming from a player that's wanting everyone to answer a long ass RQS.

[House]

I'm naturally wary of old guard.

You're probably considered old guard at this point. But why do you feel that way?

Not really, I was only active for a couple years.

I've only recently (legitimately) returned.

I was here a while under different names evading my indefinite ban, but my play was so stilted trying to avoid being caught out that those games didn't really benefit me much.

I still feel like a rookie, in many respects.

Why are you wary of people you consider old guard though?

Experience typically translates to skilled scum.

[House]

the exact fact that i haven't seen shit from a50 is what makes me think he's more likely scum than rand, since i feel like town!him would've like... done *something*? the fact that he's dropped the claim and nothing more feels like a lazy attempt at pretending to be a quirky wifom-y townie

I'm so vibing with this.

[House]

the exact fact that i haven't seen shit from a50 is what makes me think he's more likely scum than rand, since i feel like town!him would've like... done *something*? the fact that he's dropped the claim and nothing more feels like a lazy attempt at pretending to be a quirky wifom-y townie

I'm so vibing with this.

can't tell if sarcasm

There's no question when I'm being sarcastic.

I slather it on.

[House]

A50 is proactive as town. Hell, he basically caught out the entire sun team for game C on d1 in Triplicate.

Not expecting that here, of course, but his lack of engagement is very concerning.

[House]

A50 is proactive as town. Hell, he basically caught out the entire scum* team for game C on d1 in Triplicate.

Not expecting that here, of course, but his lack of engagement is very concerning.

EBWOP

[House]

@frogs, 337 is my post

@house, i found it weird you're ~so vibing~ with someone you have as lockscum

Man, that was pages ago.

Keep up.

[House]

It was also trolling :p

It's d1, my reads are everywhere on d1.

[House]

Also also, pretty sure I explained why I was vibing with that quote pretty well in 363.

[House]

I thought i was voting Scorpious?

Oops.

VOTE: Scorpious

[House]

Damn, I'm tired.

UNVOTE:

BBL

[House]

I'm far from opposed to a iv execution but I think this is more devastating for scum team because house has influenced the game more and this could be their only shot at a deep scum.

I'm calling bullshit.

What actual townie ever says, "I have no actual basis for thinking this person is scum, but on the off chance they actually might be, let's just kill them... ON DAY ONE?

Supposed " deep wolf hunting" on day one reeks of scum intent because it gives the wagon driver the perfect excuse for a green flip.

VOTE: Frog

Fuck that shit, you bring a case or vote fucking scum.

[House]

I'm somewhat suspicious of house, maybe vp but idk how to read him too

spicy, tell me more?

R.e. house: i dont like feeling wk'd, i dont understand why he dislikes frog, and i dont understand his readshift on you

Pedit ok one sec i need to like read and process fhat

GFY. You don't scumread me. You just don't like my playstyle because I don't fit your mold of "what a good little townie does".

That's fucking basic, and considering this isn't the first time you've seen me play, it's also kinda sad.

[House]

White knighted - i.e. didnt like he was popping in my bickering with ari to try to get ari off my back

Get over yourself. I bicker with everybody.

[House]

When have i seen u play?

Your name is quite familiar to me. I know we've been in games together, but I'm not going to spend my day off combing through old games.

Maybe it was on my alts. Idk. *shrug*

Anyway, I'm easier to read than Golden Books. My playstyle is Chaotic Good/Lawful Evil. If you think I'm lying about that, share a link that does not adhere to that description.

[House]

1This is a logical fallacy called a strawman, I never said those words

That was the exact effect of your push. Don't even try to deny it. It's pathetic and transparent.

[House]

You seem really concerned with having your name show up in the vote count.

No. What I'm concerned with is a blatantly shit push on sometime you can't even CLAIM to scumread.

[House]

Also, it sounds here like you are not particularly interested in executing deep wolves.

When there's actual reasons to find players scummy, pushing on that rationale is scummy in itself.

[House]

Like what were you waiting for before I FoS you?

Refer to 377/379.

You're not even TRYING to game solve. You just threw a dart and started pushing.

I am not the one.

[House]

It looks like you didn't want to get stuck on a wagon for too long with innocentvillager.

Again, twisting shit like the scum you are.

I was so fucking tired I thought I was still voting someone

who wasn't even in the game

.

Not a lot of scum capital, there. Which a townie would know.

You're just trying to shade my fatigued state of mind as being scum driven, which makes less than no sense for anyone that actually wants to FIND scum.

[House]

@house I dont believe i've played with u on this acct.

It appears you were in Mini 2231 together. (was just metaing you and came across that)

That game doesn't really count. I made less than half a dozen posts, and subbed out because r/l had me too busy to follow a mini that was getting large levels of content.

[House]

@house I dont believe i've played with u on this acct.

It appears you were in Mini 2231 together. (was just metaing you and came across that)

That game doesn't really count. I made less than half a dozen posts, and subbed out because r/l had me too busy to follow a mini that was getting large levels of content.

Even if people want to consider that game just to spite me since I was scum in it, you'll notice that even in those few posts I'm being a "good little townie", in stark contrast to my behavior in my town games.

So...

[House]

House - scumvibes

Considering I hard defend townreads as town as well as wk town as scum (so I can get away with defending my buddies as scum), whining about me defending you is irrelevant as that behavior is NAI coming from me.

What else do you have?

[House]

Hey guys I read Lap's most recent posts as pr so don't wagon him please if he doesn't seem to be town telling.

There is literally zero town motivation in this post.

[House]

House - scumvibes

Considering I hard defend townreads as town as well as wk town as scum (so I can get away with defending my buddies as scum), whining about me defending you is irrelevant as that behavior is NAI coming from me.

What else do you have?

if you can answer these, i would appreciate it:
why do you scumread frog, and what are you now townreading dats, and how do you read vp

Datisi was an early/troll push. I'd be more suspicious about a sticky vote this early in the game, personally.

People are completely writing Frog off as town for... whatever fucking reasons that I ain't seeing. I've explained my vote, thank you.

I'd eliminate frog over Baltar all day, err'day. #sorrynotsorry

[House]

Who the fuck pushes a suspected deepwolf on d1 instead of trying to find actual scum?

It gives way too much room for the wagoner to just shrug off a green flip.

[House]

Lime, he's basically saying the fact there's no case to be made against me IS THE CASE AGAINST ME.

[House]

Like*, he's basically saying the fact there's no case to be made against me IS THE CASE AGAINST ME.

EBWOP

[House]

if you could, like, put words to your baltar read i would appreciate it

Nah, but don't take it personally. It's just that you're full of shit about frog so I have no desire to work with you until you pull your head out of your ass.

[House]

Who the fuck pushes a suspected deepwolf on d1 instead of trying to find actual scum?

It gives way too much room for the wagoner to just shrug off a green flip.

Like*, he's basically saying the fact there's no case to be made against me IS THE CASE AGAINST ME.

EBWOP

Explain this away. Go on. Do it. I'll wait.

Also, being "disconnected from the game" is NOT something I'd associated with town.

[House]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: a50

I can support this. I dislike his lack of engagement.

Unlike skitter, I don't consider it town indicative. Especially from A50.

VOTE: Almost50

[House]

i didn't say his lack of engagement was town-indicative, i said it might explain the scumpings (i.e. make what's pinging me nai)

- i don't exactly have the words for this but i don't think he's playign this game in the plane that scum would be. he feels a little ~disconnected~ from the overall gamestate in a way that i don't think scum would be

Also of note, you completely ignore everything I'm posting him on, myself.

Who the fuck pushes a suspected deepwolf on d1 instead of trying to find actual scum?

It gives way too much room for the wagoner to just shrug off a green flip.

Like*, he's basically saying the fact there's no case to be made against me IS THE CASE AGAINST ME.

EBWOP

Explain this away. Go on. Do it. I'll wait.

[House]

i didn't say his lack of engagement was town-indicative, i said it might explain the scumpings (i.e. make what's pinging me nai)

- i don't exactly have the words for this but i don't think he's playign this game in the plane that scum would be. he feels a little ~disconnected~ from the overall gamestate in a way that i don't think scum would be

Also of note, you completely ignore everything I'm pushing* him on, myself.

Who the fuck pushes a suspected deepwolf on d1 instead of trying to find actual scum?

It gives way too much room for the wagoner to just shrug off a green flip.

Like*, he's basically saying the fact there's no case to be made against me IS THE CASE AGAINST ME.

EBWOP

Explain this away. Go on. Do it. I'll wait.

Sigh. EBWOP

[House]

Or maybe I'll siteflake again, who knows honestly.

I'd rather you didn't. Please let me know if something I'm doing contributes to that consideration.

[House]

i don't believe his case on you si that 'there's no case' - where did that happen

You know, Mafia is a game of deductive reasoning. I suggest you develop that skill.

Voting someone and claiming they're a deep wolf is the same thing as saying they look like town but have to be scum that will be hard to eliminate... BECAUSE THERE IS NO CASE AGAINST THEM.

Which is a bullshit case on d1. That's d3+ hunting.

[House]

Glad to hear it iv, but the request stands.

I know I can be abrasive, but I would never intentionally run a person off from the site.

[House]

again, i'm not sure why you're being so abrasive and hostile

~

i thought his read was more this:

I couldn't stop drafting this great post in my head that scum cased house based on VP = VI in a tvt with me and house preferring to take VP with him to lylo over me but willing to hammer either so shading me but not committing either way, and house dropping a TMI with his weird read on innocentvillager (though I don't know if he's trying to get town cred by defending a lurker he knows is townie or trying to protect his scum buddy because i sr iv's apathy as well he said he joined because the playerlist was interesting so why isn't he more interested?).

namely, he feels that you're fanning a tvt fight between him and vp, and that scum-you would rather take vp to elo (as he considers vp a vi - sorry vp), and that you'd rather get frog out today, so you're siding with vp

he also doesn't like your read on iv and considers it tmi

elsewhere, he says he thought you were townie earlygame, but has to reconsider that, and that you might be a deepwolf

none of that translates too 'you're so town that you have to be scum but i don't have a case against you'

Here's an exercise for you..


Quote me giving a read on iv. Show me a list that could possibly be TMI.

[House]

again, i'm not sure why you're being so abrasive and hostile

~

i thought his read was more this:

I couldn't stop drafting this great post in my head that scum cased house based on VP = VI in a tvt with me and house preferring to take VP with him to lylo over me but willing to hammer either so shading me but not committing either way, and house dropping a TMI with his weird read on innocentvillager (though I don't know if he's trying to get town cred by defending a lurker he knows is townie or trying to protect his scum buddy because i sr iv's apathy as well he said he joined because the playerlist was interesting so why isn't he more interested?).

namely, he feels that you're fanning a tvt fight between him and vp, and that scum-you would rather take vp to elo (as he considers vp a vi - sorry vp), and that you'd rather get frog out today, so you're siding with vp

he also doesn't like your read on iv and considers it tmi

elsewhere, he says he thought you were townie earlygame, but has to reconsider that, and that you might be a deepwolf

none of that translates too 'you're so town that you have to be scum but i don't have a case against you'

Here's an exercise for you..


Quote me giving a read on iv. Show me a post that could possibly be TMI.

Fucking keyboard. Sigh.

[House]

And I'll straight up admit that I'd have no qualms about selling Frogs flip today... BUT that mindset never existed until his bullshit case that was built on nothing.

[House]

House, would you flip frogster or skitter first?

I'm trying to hold out hope that sitter is wrongheaded town.

[House]

House, would you flip frogster or skitter first?

I'm trying to hold out hope that sitter is wrongheaded town.

Ok, I think skitter could be town here. Just trying to cut down on the unnecessary fighting if she isn't really who you want to yeet

IMO, she's either town biased against my playstyle, or scum TMI'ing frog town & using my playstyle as a crutch.

Leaning the former.

[House]

ok vp's town

Calling my VP read TMI, while incorrect, serious make a hell of a lot more sense than saying I have TMI on IV when my only post about him was an RVS troll vote.

[House]

ok vp's town

Calling my VP read TMI, while incorrect, would* make a hell of a lot more sense than saying I have TMI on IV when my only post about him was an RVS troll vote.

Weird autocorrect.

[House]

Im town

Naked votes are not a scumtell.

I agree with both of these posts.

VOTE: innocentvillager

How does this == TMI iv town?

Anyone?

[House]

i didn't say anything about your vp read? that's *my* vp read ...

and i also didn't say that you have a tmi read on iv, that's what frog said, i'm repeating it to show you that he thinks he has more reasons to scumread you then 'there's no case so you must be scum!1!!!'

i don't know what iv read he's referring to, you can ask him if you like

I know, which you're agreeing with MY vp read.

Considering he's straight up lying about me having TMI on iv, my posts about him, seven single damned one of them, stand.

[House]

i didn't say anything about your vp read? that's *my* vp read ...

and i also didn't say that you have a tmi read on iv, that's what frog said, i'm repeating it to show you that he thinks he has more reasons to scumread you then 'there's no case so you must be scum!1!!!'

i don't know what iv read he's referring to, you can ask him if you like

I know, which you're agreeing with MY vp read.

Considering he's straight up lying about me having TMI on iv, my posts about him, every* single damned one of them, stand.

*cries in typo correction*

[House]

- he's trying to de-escalate me/house, no reason to do that as scum (if anything, he should be trying to egg that on)

Actually, scum often play peacemaker for easy town points.

Not saying he's scum, just saying that's NOT why he's town.

[House]

Im town

Naked votes are not a scumtell.

I agree with both of these posts.

VOTE: innocentvillager

How does this == TMI iv town?

Anyone?

I can't see town thinking this is scum TMI.

I *can* see scum suspecting this is a Mason crumb.

Would explain his interest in trying to push me early.

[House]

House if you're town you need to chill so we can talk.

[House]

So, the reason I play as "Chaotic Good", is because I lack self-confidence in my own reads, so I offset that by being a polarizing player because my play trends to generate alignment indicative content in response to my posts.

A bunch of players sitting around the fire changing Kumbaya allows scum to blend in and subtly influence the game. Chaos makers tend to force people to show their hand earlier than they expect.

[House]

So, the reason I play as "Chaotic Good", is because I lack self-confidence in my own reads, so I offset that by being a polarizing player because my play trends to generate alignment indicative content in response to my posts.

A bunch of players sitting around the fire chanting* Kumbaya allows scum to blend in and subtly influence the game. Chaos makers tend to force people to show their hand earlier than they expect.

I can't even post straight, today.

[House]

House if you're town you need to chill so we can talk.

Okay great. Maybe I made some mistakes about your intentions and we are t v t?

How is anything I posted in regards to iv prior to your vote on me remotely suggestive of being scum TMI'ing town?

[House]

House if you're town you need to chill so we can talk.

Okay great. Maybe I made some mistakes about your intentions and we are t v t?

How is anything I posted in regards to iv prior to your vote on me remotely suggestive of being scum TMI'ing town?

I thought that may have been what you were going for when you made the statement about them being "Old Guard".

Follow-up: why do you think me saying I'm WARY of the old guard and refusing to come to early conclusions on their play (of which, iv is not even the sole member in attendance in this game) indicative of a read?

Also... and I'm genuinely curious about this one... why did you think I was instigating the right between you and VP? You weren't even on my radar until that vote that made absolutely no sense to me.

[House]

House if you're town you need to chill so we can talk.

Okay great. Maybe I made some mistakes about your intentions and we are t v t?

How is anything I posted in regards to iv prior to your vote on me remotely suggestive of being scum TMI'ing town?

I thought that may have been what you were going for when you made the statement about them being "Old Guard".

Follow-up: why do you think me saying I'm WARY of the old guard and refusing to come to early conclusions on their play (of which, iv is not even the sole member in attendance in this game) is indicative of a read?

Also... and I'm genuinely curious about this one... why did you think I was instigating the fight between you and VP? You weren't even on my radar until that vote that made absolutely no sense to me.

Typo land.

[House]

I'm still not 100% convinced that House isn't a Wake88 alt, btw.

Okay, I'm taking that line out of my sig.

It's outdated, anyway.

[House]

I would hammer frog over Baltar 10 times out of 10, at this point.

Still prefer Scorpious, though.

Ok really frog is town theyre just pushing silly strategy which isnt scummy just ambitious :3

Yeah, maybe. I find the extremely questionable framing and not answering simple questions pretty anti-town, but he might just play like shit so idk.

Not to mention, not answering questions is pretty inconsistent coming from a player that's wanting everyone to answer a long ass RQS.

These posts were what made me think you were instigating a t v t and planning to miselim one of us and take another to lylo.

The comment about the "old guard" seemed mysterious, like you had more information, and in context despite what you said about being wary you chose not to join in on the innocentvillager wagon when there didn't appear to be a lot going for them.

It doesn't seem believable to me any more. I think I was in my head and I want it to stop.

I appreciate the perspective.

Criticizing the inconsistency was just poking you with a stick, but I hardly put any more thought into it than that. I tend to lean town on inconsistency BECAUSE scum puts so much effort in maintaining consistency.

Saying I'd eliminate you over VP didn't mean I scumread you. It just meant I townread VP

more

than you.

[House]

Kumbaya it is, I suppose... despite my best efforts to the contrary.

[House]

i'm kinda changing my mind on iv tbh, i think he's somewhat townie

Who do you FoS then?

My guess would be the person they're voting.

Just a hunch.

[House]

House
innocentvillager

VP Baltar
Frogsterking
Aristeia

Datisi
Laplacian

OutWorldER
Reformed Toxic Player

Something_Smart
Andresvmb
skitter30

Almost50

I would be surprised if any in the dark green flipped scum.

Almost red flip = 1-2 in the pink & 0-1 in yellow/light green
Almost green flip = 2 in the pink, 1 in yellow/light green

[House]

Kumbaya it is, I suppose... despite my best efforts to the contrary.

I will still rip your head of if I think you are scum. Don't worry bb

Nah you won't.

You might get tempted at some point, but you'll see the error of your ways.

[House]

Wait I saw the 3rd green section you're townreadjng 3/3 scum :c

You should learn to shut up while you're ahead.

Just saying.

[House]

my solve has been vp/iv/laplacian for a while now :3 I largely townread everyone else here

Your "solve" is 66.666666666667% wrong.

Glass houses & whatnot.

[House]

unsure abt laplacian

That's my primary question mark in light green, with the outside possibility of Datisi as dark horse.

[House]

a50 is the only null methinks

A null A50 is a scum A50.

Town A50 is active & engaged.

[House]

Now my question to you is if you buy into this framework

I don't.

[House]

Thank you for reading my case on scum!Lap which is congruent within the scum!a50 framework.

Kinda makes me wonder why you don't want to vote A50, who has a viable & growing wagon.

[House]

I think House is sharp to be totally honest

*confbias triggered*

Why you buddying me, buddy?

I'm calling you scum, and you're calling me sharp?

[House]

but I do think RTP is a brilliant D1 player. If RTP is Town, then they’re definitely worth listening to here.

And yes I did read this, but 2 of his scumreads are terribad.

[House]

I have no idea what you’re pushing beyond what Frog summarized for me in like 2 sentences.

That's fair. You should ketchup.

[House]

but I do think RTP is a brilliant D1 player. If RTP is Town, then they’re definitely worth listening to here.

And yes I did read this, but 2 of his scumreads are terribad.

Which ones?

iv & VP.

[House]

If you detailed exactly what you saw in a different post quote it for me. Otherwise I’ll get to it eventually, or you can expand upon what town tells you saw.

It would not serve town's interest for me to towncase iv on day 1 when we already have a wagon on scum.

Nothing productive will come off that.

[House]

If you detailed exactly what you saw in a different post quote it for me. Otherwise I’ll get to it eventually, or you can expand upon what town tells you saw.

It would not serve town's interest for me to towncase iv on day 1 when we already have a wagon on scum.

Nothing productive will come off that.

That was for Frog. Sorry that wasn’t clear. My main priority is to figure out how I’m leaning on RTP. Frog is basically volunteering to do the work for me.

Oh. Yeah, that would be most helpful.

I'm null as hell on RTP, which concerns me because that's where good scum tends to hang out if they can't find a good town beard.

[House]

@House what wagon are you referring to specifically? I can’t find a recent VC.

A50.

His lack of engagement with the game just reeks of his scum meta. He's active and solvey as town.

[House]

Vote Count 1.05

innocentvillager (3):

OutWorldER, Datisi, Aristeia

[House]

Not my first choice, but I'd hammer it.

[House]

a50 - nullscum pings but not something i would put super much weight in rn

I would very much appreciate it if you dropped the null part there.

Hey look at that, something we can agree on!

[House]

Hint: If I was paired with House in a scum team in a mini, rest assured the game is won by us already.

In 2015? Hands down.

Now? Ehhh.

My scum game has deteriorated considerably.

[House]

a50 - nullscum pings but not something i would put super much weight in rn

I would very much appreciate it if you dropped the null part there.

Hey look at that, something we can agree on!

Are we distancing now? Didn't we agree to NOT talk to each other in the scum PT??

Hey, that was YOUR idea.

I never agreed to it.

[House]

I mean...


... fuck

[House]

I realized I didn't have to try and get Lap night killed I could just execute them myself.

What is, "stuff scum says" for $800, Alex?

[House]

I tried, but I just can't let Frog keep townreading me.

I really tried.

[House]

Almost50

- Can't tell if A50 is legit just treating the game differently after a break or is using that as a cover to lurk. It's obv throwing me, and others it seems. Would like a little more engagement pretty please A50? Null to lean scum.

Drop the null please. I'm a humble guy and I'll take a scum lean pretty easily. :lo:

As for engagement.. I dunno about that. I'd have to ask the wife if she's ok with me officializing my relationship with someone else.

Move to Utah, sister wives are all the rage, there.

[House]

Monkey Business is this your usual M.O.?

That's his title for a reason.

[House]

I realized I didn't have to try and get Lap night killed I could just execute them myself.

What is, "stuff scum says" for $800, Alex?

what about monkey business screams trustworthy to you?

The monkey part, of course.

[House]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: a50

I can support this. I dislike his lack of engagement.

Unlike skitter, I don't consider it town indicative. Especially from A50.

VOTE: Almost50

2 scums with one stone?

I do like to promote efficiency.

[House]

I suggest you firm up what you make of the slot, and share it with the class. It’ll help me settle more firmly on what I think about you. And who knows, maybe it helps me with sorting RTP.

Feels like you got the order backwards, there.

[House]

Up!

[House]

a50 is the only null methinks

rofl mainslipping

Thank you for doing that.

It was driving me batty.

[House]

i mainslipped in the last game i played on this account so some research would have revealed it anyway

You should know I'm far too lazy for that.

[House]

Town A50 is active & engaged.

NOT true, but I understand the need to frame me.

Only because I want to hang you on my wall to have something nice for guests to look at when I entertain.

[House]

my solve has been vp/iv/laplacian for a while now :3 I largely townread everyone else here

Your "solve" is 66.666666666667% wrong.

Glass houses & whatnot.

Only YOU would know that. So you confirm being Scum with VP?

I can't do that, as claiming scum WITH another person is against the rules.

[House]

House's posting reminds me of when I was 13 and so I trust him instinctively. That is not a dig at him that's my genuine feeling lol

I'm 46, though.

[House]

I think Outworld is TMIing me, but I can't vote anyone that has an avatar that cute.

[House]

my solve has been vp/iv/laplacian for a while now :3 I largely townread everyone else here

Your "solve" is 66.666666666667% wrong.

Glass houses & whatnot.

Only YOU would know that. So you confirm being Scum with VP?

I can't do that, as claiming scum WITH another person is against the rules.

Thanks for clearing me, as you DID play along when I hinted we were scum together.

You're the one that claimed me. I'm not the one that stands to get bitched at.

It's against the rules to claim scum with someone else regardless of whether the claim is truthful or not.

[House]

Monkey Business is this your usual M.O.?

Pretty much, yeah. I mean, you can check my previous games to verify the fact (and hopefully find a game or two were I was NOT active on D1 too)

Okay I will do that tomorrow morning. While you're here, do you have any thoughts as to why you are being BWed right now? Just for kicks, random chance, scum, misinformed townies? Or do you normally get BWed and you just ignore it until it goes away?

Spoiler:

He's a big ol' OMGUSer, but that's not AI.

[House]

I also have a sinking feeling at least one (but more likely two) of the three votes on me are scum motivated.

[House]

Monkey Business is this your usual M.O.?

Pretty much, yeah. I mean, you can check my previous games to verify the fact (and hopefully find a game or two were I was NOT active on D1 too)

Mind linking me to one?

I've never seen you be lurksack town, but I HAVE seen you be lurksack scum.

[House]

i am awake at this disgustingly early time against my will and why are there 10 new pages

I'm in the game. Hello?

[House]

re house's 496: being disconnected from the game and being not engaged in a game are not the same thing, but ok

Maybe to you, but as far as I'm concerned the words are synonymous.

[House]

something something hunting deepwolfs on day one

Saying something is possible ≠ "hunting"

Stop the dumb shit.

[House]

not engaged = not posting much
being disconnected = posting things that are obviously out of tune to what is happening in the game

https://thesaurus.yourdictionary.com/disconnect

Checkmate.

[House]

i think that is how skitter was using it, so

skitter didn't get all pissy about my verbiage, so there's no need for you to be offended on her behalf.

[House]

Up!

[House]

why so mad?

[House]

re house's 496: being disconnected from the game and being not engaged in a game are not the same thing, but ok

Maybe to you, but as far as I'm concerned the words are synonymous.

Not to me ...

Refer to 697. You get a checkmate, too.

[House]

not engaged = not posting much
being disconnected = posting things that are obviously out of tune to what is happening in the game

https://thesaurus.yourdictionary.com/disconnect

Checkmate.

I think my intent and how i'm using it has more import than what the dictionary says, and even if 2 words are synonyms they can have different connotations

'Big' and 'vast' can be synonyms, but evoke different thoughts

Authorities are only relevant when we agree with them?

I'll bear that in mind if I'm ever on trial.

[House]

not engaged = not posting much
being disconnected = posting things that are obviously out of tune to what is happening in the game

https://thesaurus.yourdictionary.com/disconnect

Checkmate.

I think my intent and how i'm using it has more import than what the dictionary says, and even if 2 words are synonyms they can have different connotations

'Big' and 'vast' can be synonyms, but evoke different thoughts

https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/big
https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/vast

Vast is a bit a synonym for big, but big is a synonym for vast.

No, it's not contradictory.

[House]

not engaged = not posting much
being disconnected = posting things that are obviously out of tune to what is happening in the game

https://thesaurus.yourdictionary.com/disconnect

Checkmate.

I think my intent and how i'm using it has more import than what the dictionary says, and even if 2 words are synonyms they can have different connotations

'Big' and 'vast' can be synonyms, but evoke different thoughts

https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/big
https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/vast

Vast is not* a synonym for big, but big is a synonym for vast.

No, it's not contradictory.

[House]

Ignore that list, it's early and I just woke up.

[House]

Thought it sounded weird when I was reading it.

[House]

Click on 'more synonyms' for both of them, they both appear on each other's lists

And that's not the point, the point is that words can have different connotations, and in a game of mafia where you're trying to sort out other people's intentions, ehat matters is what they intended when they used the word, and not what you thought they intended

No, that's not the point at all.

The point is I'm a contrarian & I'll argue that hot is cold if I think it'll get under your skin.

[House]

I believe deep down in my heart that I need a bacon, egg, and cheese biscuit.

It must be true.

[House]

Not my first choice, but I'd hammer it.

Oh yeah, this reminds me. House hammers everything, so don't put anyone at E-1.

Spoilsport.

[House]

Sorry that I spoiled you

spoiling

improving

the game.

Fix't.

[House]

it means you are an easy elimination because you are naturally scummy when town.

Frog is asking what the odds are that you are a townie being run up for being scummy rather than a mafia being run up.

What I thought, thanks.

Would you be so kind as to self-vote?

[House]

House
innocentvillager

VP Baltar
Frogsterking
Aristeia

Datisi
Laplacian

OutWorldER
Reformed Toxic Player

Something_Smart
Andresvmb
skitter30

Almost50

I'm fine with anyone who isn't dark green being the d1 execution.

The further down, the better.

No, I haven't read much since my last post, aside from where someone mentioned a pooled PoE during a quick skim.

[House]

House, why is andres so low on your list?

Imma go with, "because I don't townread him, but he's not null".

Is that the right answer?

[House]

I have to wake up stupid early tomorrow because I have a super long day, so I'm heading to bed.

G'night.

[House]

Imho, there's scum floating around in the iv shade.

It's almost like y'all were waiting for me to not be around to start trying something on him, and that's shady as hell.

[House]

I've been at work, came home and crashed. I haven't been able to follow shit, but I know there's some diabolical scheme afoot to eliminate iv.

Here's an exercise for all of you. Pretend iv flipped town. Who is the scumbutt pushing him?

[House]

Why do you think IV is town?

Don't worry about it.

[House]

Who is the scumbutt pushing him?

Why must there be one?

Because a Laplacian elimination was all the rage until I went to bed, and now all of a sudden he's losing steam for no good reason

whatsoever

& iv is catching a shitton of shade.

[House]

Sometimes townies do things that don't appear to have a good reason. Sometimes they legitimately don't have a good reason, and sometimes they have one that you just can't see.

All very true.

Who is the scum trying to kill iv?

[House]

I'll say this much... I don't think it's RTP.

[House]

. I also have a sinking feeling at least one (but more likely two) of the three votes on me are scum motivated. I

Who are the scum votes on u?

One r two of the three votes on me,

But let's not waste time and energy on someone else. YOUR VOTE specifically smells. First, you didn't start my wagon. You even said you wouldn't worry about me right now, but as soon as you saw someone else spearheading it you hopped right on.

Furthermore -and this is even more concerning- you and I have established this for years: You disregard my play on D1 regardless and come back to me on D2 if I do make it through the night. You breaching that treaty is .. confusing me to say the least. When you were on track (as in when you said you wouldn't worry about me for now) I thought you

might

be hinting you're the role I am referring to. Now I very much doubt it and thus have no reason to assume good will on your part.

Nice post. I like it.

[House]

Sorry it's taking so long, I'm back again to grab a couple quotes I missed from IV's scum flail.

Town can't scum flail.

If you force my hand, I'm voteparking you until one of us are dead.

[House]

tl;dr :

Don't give a shit.

VOTE: Frogsterking

Can't say you weren't warned.

Hardclaim Masons with innocentvillager

Softed on page 1 & my reads list (same green color code for me and iv, different code for other hard townreads). Interactions between us show familiarity when I've never been in a game with them. They call me town but don't justify it, unlike their other townreads.

iv didn't want me to out on d1 and one of our earlier public interactions was him trying to discourage me from it when I mentioned in Mason chat that it would suck to out early.

Your chainsaw came back to bite you in the ass. Lap & Frog are scum together.

[House]

Not really a chainsaw per se, but Frog is busting his ass trying to save his buddy

[House]

The attempt to swing the wagon from Laplacian onto iv out of nowhere stinks all to hell.

[House]

fwiw i think house is more likely neighbors with IV and just townreads IV

this is something to keep in mind if neither flips over the course of the next couple night phases

Sure. Ever since page 1.

Makes sense if you don't think about it.

[House]

ok well just fucking vote lap then and we can talk about where to go from there d2.

i honestly have doubts about your mason claim and won't be believing it until one of you 2 are night flipped


if you make it to limlo do not maintain the claim if you truly are just neighbors is all i ask

Fair.

VOTE: Laplacian

[House]

House AtE was very good today though.

[House]

I guess it could be a bus and IV is some kind of power role the scum team needs so they're swinging it onto a goon.

So you're saying the scum team is me, iv, and Lap?

And you think this guy is actually trying to solve, RTP? Fuckouttahere.

[House]

house, why the fuck would you out after one vote, what the fuck

Because two scum are caught in the net.

[House]

frogster isn't scum and i'm willing to argue about it

Dude is saying that I'm sacrificing Lap to save iv, when I've been supporting the Lap wagon well before iv was anywhere near a wagon concern.

If I'm going to ask my buddy to self-vote, do I make that post in public or the scum thread?

If his solve is correct, this game is automatically a town win because iv & I living to Elo = instant elimination, and when one flips scum the other one goes next.

Frog isn't trying to solve shit.

[House]

If I'm not trying to solve shit how I did just bust your stupid partners ass for his mason tells?

Oh! I can answer this!

Im town

Naked votes are not a scumtell.

I agree with both of these posts.

VOTE: innocentvillager

How does this == TMI iv town?

Anyone?

I can't see town thinking this is scum TMI.

I *can* see scum suspecting this is a Mason crumb.

Would explain his interest in trying to push me early.

[House]

And if I'm scum why not just post my observations in scum chat and night kill you both?

To save a bullet if you're wrong or I'm faking a soft to lure the kill, perhaps?

[House]

house and frogster stop interacting with each other, you're bloating the game and nothing good comes from it

Fine

[House]

in a mason world, a backup claim becomes much more suspicious to me

Eh. He's not a d1 concern, at any rate.

I want Lap's blood more than ever.

[House]

I think Lapla is at E-1 btw

[House]

Not to interact with anyone, but I'm just gonna say... that when a player gets to E-2 & it's outed that there's a player that quickhammers for funsies that isn't already on the wagon, and one of the players voting that wagon hops off and tries to start not 1, but 2 other wagons to counter it...

... it raises my eyebrow.

[House]

See the eyebrow?

SEE IT?!

[House]

don't have thoughts on rtp, dats, ari

how do you don't have thoughts on me yet >_>

Or RTP?

Smells like lack of reading.

[House]

maybe you are more mysterious than usual this game

About to head out to work in a few.

I'll check in when I can, so don't do anything stupid while I'm not here to actively twist people's arms into voting for scum.

[House]

i'd prefer there's no hammers until i'm back

I'd prefer there is, so you might as well do it and have night phase during your 48 hour VLA.

[House]

Okay, so..

I retract the Masons claim.

I claimed that in the hopes that either I or iv would be targeted last night, and to keep a townread from being wagoned my

iv playing along reads to me as town. Scum would likely suspect a trap.

That RTP died over either of us, however, is disconcerting.

VOTE: VP

[House]

Scum would likely suspect a trap.

... or fear the blowback once the claim was retracted.

[House]

Intent to hammer laplacian. Claim.

No one cares what they claim rofl

You of all people would understand this if you were town

[House]

Dammit, I forgot what I wanted to post.