Mini Normal 2258 | Bunnies [Postgame]

[Aristeia]

VOTE: datisi

I am sorry you rolled scum this time.

[Aristeia]

VOTE: datisi

Let's get this out of the way.

VOTE: datisi

I am sorry you rolled scum this time.

It is indeed very sad

VOTE: dats

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Hi all!

@catboi i am vla fridays and saturdays!

VOTE: Datisi

If any of these votes are scum, it's skitter.

I doubt it, though.

I actually think maybe it is baltar

[Aristeia]

that rabbit is adorable

[Aristeia]

tell me more

[Aristeia]

his vote on you feels like the kind of rvs distancing vote scum love to place on a buddy to be cute.

[Aristeia]

tell me about your three townreads on page two tho <3

[Aristeia]

it is kind of disturbing that I stayed up till 5am waiting for you to show up and you didn't so much as give me a hi </3

[Aristeia]

btw i like your new pfp it is very cute. ♡( ◡‿◡ )

[Aristeia]

awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

[Aristeia]

it is very cute

im a bit too sleepy to read your long post but I will do it tomms

[Aristeia]

btw r u town

u can lie to me if you arent

i just want to sleep well >.>

[Aristeia]

Spoiler: For Datisi <3

[Aristeia]

i am town

you can sleep well knowing that i will protect this town and you from evil scum, or die trying

It's actually kind of dumb how happy this makes me feel.

UNVOTE:

[Aristeia]

Mmmm guess what I am making rn Datisi

[Aristeia]

kind of sad you think I would let you get quickhammered early d1 tho

[Aristeia]

is it... a new avi?

close!

it is some hot chocolate because it's cold and I am going ice skating later.

[Aristeia]

kind of sad you think I would let you get quickhammered early d1 tho

i think scum!you would rather do that than have to lie to me for the entirety of this game <3

I would never try to kill you if I was scum dear.

[Aristeia]

I think I'm gonna switch to VOTE: InnocentVillager because I also don't like the naked vote and I think RTP is playing their town game.

@Aristeia while we have you here in 36 you said

rvs distancing vote scum love to place on a buddy to be cute.

while this pertained to Baltar you're also implying Datisi as a scumbuddy. Could you elaborate on how your actually feeling about Datisi rn? Or how you felt about them when you made that post? It keeps bugging me.

If he is scum here then I want to feel happy being pocketed ~.~

[Aristeia]

at least for a bit longer ^___^

[Aristeia]

VOTE: IV

[Aristeia]

how is your Sunday going Datisi ^__^

[Aristeia]

even if datisi was modconfirmed mafia to me, i would never vote him out day 1 <3

this is so cheeky if you are mafia with datisi ~.~

[Aristeia]

even if datisi was modconfirmed mafia to me, i would never vote him out day 1 <3

this is so cheeky if you are mafia with datisi ~.~

what if we were masons?

I am honestly jealous either way

[Aristeia]

VOTE: laplacian

[Aristeia]

have you watched OreGairu Dats?

[Aristeia]

you should!

it is sooooo good

[Aristeia]

I was watching it last night and there was this really cute moment where this girl I like was about to give chocolates to this guy she liked for Valentine's day and I just felt so torn I had to pause it and process it because I know this can't end well but I want it to sooo much.

[Aristeia]

why would you be offended?

[Aristeia]

I would definitely be flirting with Dats if he were scum with me <3

[Aristeia]

so you're scum with someone else?? :O

I am town

[Aristeia]

catboi i like the bunny pics

the claim from a50 is nai

that latest bunny looks somewhat concerned about you

[Aristeia]

with the emojiis and everything i keep thinking ur ari except ur obviously not >.>

I don't even use :3

[Aristeia]

I am an angel

[Aristeia]

other incarnations use :3, no? (you don't have to answer that, but i'm just checking that you're who i think you are ?)

in what way is the bunny concerned abt me

the eyebrow looks very concerned.

[Aristeia]

I guess the bunny doesn't really have an eyebrow.

its eye looks like it is geniunely worried.

[Aristeia]

there's only one animal that eats rabbits in this game...

[Aristeia]

I am an angel

Never said you weren't.

Although, Satan usually refers to his as demons.

To-may-toe, to-mah-toe.

Let's play a game.

You can be the cop and I will be someone you've brought into the station for questioning.

Please feel free to grill me on anything you want.

[Aristeia]

Well it was a Wednesday and I had just been around two months out of my last relationship and my friends thought it would do me good to get out there again.

They set me up with this somewhat cute guy for a blind date; he drove a custom GTR and took me to dinner in this cute little Italian place on south side of Long Island. He ordered a bottle of white wine and veal milanese; I had squid ink linguine with seafood. We talked about our favorite vacation spots; he said he enjoyed hiking through mountains and jungles in South America and meeting people and enjoying different cultures and traditions. Afterwards we took a long walk on the beach and listened to the ocean waves, I pointed out various stars in the sky and I'm not sure he was particularly paying attention.

[Aristeia]

I think by the way you would have better luck "catching" me if you asked me about things that are relevant to the game

[Aristeia]

Are you going to self-dialogue now?

[Aristeia]

I don't know what DID is.

I was referring to the part of the movie where the genius cop lays out his fool proof case and everyone just watches in awe.

[Aristeia]

In other words I wouldn't want to interrupt your brilliant monologue.

[Aristeia]

I see - thank you for correcting me!

[Aristeia]

hmm

I guess you can be my alibi?

[Aristeia]

Weird you would remember something from seven years ago though, you did have quite a lot of white wine at dinner.

[Aristeia]

Spoiler: placeholder so I can laugh at myself later

Datisi
House
RTP
Skitter
A50

[Aristeia]

[Aristeia]

omg im dead

[Aristeia]

i was mostly looking for something that expressed my happiness at seeing you awake <3

[Aristeia]

wow

[Aristeia]

SS do you have any reads or thoughts you'd like to share?

[Aristeia]

SS do you have any reads or thoughts you'd like to share?

No, other than wondering aloud if your main has been outed.

Oh cmon dear give me just one read? Who do you feel most confident in?

[Aristeia]

VOTE: IV

[Aristeia]

solved the game on page 14

This would be quite nice <3

[Aristeia]

White knighted - i.e. didnt like he was popping in my bickering with ari to try to get ari off my back

fwiw I don't think it's really WKing when I'm just making a light joke and I don't think he's so dense as to not see that?

[Aristeia]

Spoiler: poll results

Extraversion
Extraversion is marked by pronounced engagement with the external world. Extraverts enjoy being with people, are full of energy, and often experience positive emotions. They tend to be enthusiastic, action-oriented, individuals who are likely to say "Yes!" or "Let's go!" to opportunities for excitement. In groups they like to talk, assert themselves, and draw attention to themselves.
Introverts lack the exuberance, energy, and activity levels of extraverts. They tend to be quiet, low-key, deliberate, and disengaged from the social world. Their lack of social involvement should not be interpreted as shyness or depression; the introvert simply needs less stimulation than an extravert and prefers to be alone. The independence and reserve of the introvert is sometimes mistaken as unfriendliness or arrogance. In reality, an introvert who scores high on the agreeableness dimension will not seek others out but will be quite pleasant when approached.

DOMAIN/Facet Score
EXTRAVERSION 89
..Friendliness 82
..Gregariousness 88
..Assertiveness 72
..Activity Level 32
..Excitement-Seeking 93
..Cheerfulness 87
Your score on Extraversion is high, indicating you are sociable, outgoing, energetic, and lively. You prefer to be around people much of the time.

Extraversion Facets
Friendliness. Friendly people genuinely like other people and openly demonstrate positive feelings toward others. They make friends quickly and it is easy for them to form close, intimate relationships. Low scorers on Friendliness are not necessarily cold and hostile, but they do not reach out to others and are perceived as distant and reserved. Your level of friendliness is high.
Gregariousness. Gregarious people find the company of others pleasantly stimulating and rewarding. They enjoy the excitement of crowds. Low scorers tend to feel overwhelmed by, and therefore actively avoid, large crowds. They do not necessarily dislike being with people sometimes, but their need for privacy and time to themselves is much greater than for individuals who score high on this scale. Your level of gregariousness is high.
Assertiveness. High scorers Assertiveness like to speak out, take charge, and direct the activities of others. They tend to be leaders in groups. Low scorers tend not to talk much and let others control the activities of groups. Your level of assertiveness is high.
Activity Level. Active individuals lead fast-paced, busy lives. They move about quickly, energetically, and vigorously, and they are involved in many activities. People who score low on this scale follow a slower and more leisurely, relaxed pace. Your activity level is low.
Excitement-Seeking. High scorers on this scale are easily bored without high levels of stimulation. They love bright lights and hustle and bustle. They are likely to take risks and seek thrills. Low scorers are overwhelmed by noise and commotion and are averse to thrill-seeking. Your level of excitement-seeking is high.
Cheerfulness. This scale measures positive mood and feelings, not negative emotions (which are a part of the Neuroticism domain). Persons who score high on this scale typically experience a range of positive feelings, including happiness, enthusiasm, optimism, and joy. Low scorers are not as prone to such energetic, high spirits. Your level of positive emotions is high.
Agreeableness
Agreeableness reflects individual differences in concern with cooperation and social harmony. Agreeable individuals value getting along with others. They are therefore considerate, friendly, generous, helpful, and willing to compromise their interests with others'. Agreeable people also have an optimistic view of human nature. They believe people are basically honest, decent, and trustworthy.
Disagreeable individuals place self-interest above getting along with others. They are generally unconcerned with others' well-being, and therefore are unlikely to extend themselves for other people. Sometimes their skepticism about others' motives causes them to be suspicious, unfriendly, and uncooperative.

Agreeableness is obviously advantageous for attaining and maintaining popularity. Agreeable people are better liked than disagreeable people. On the other hand, agreeableness is not useful in situations that require tough or absolute objective decisions. Disagreeable people can make excellent scientists, critics, or soldiers.

DOMAIN/Facet Score
AGREEABLENESS 79
..Trust 75
..Morality 46
..Altruism 70
..Cooperation 72
..Modesty 91
..Sympathy 53
Your high level of Agreeableness indicates a strong interest in others' needs and well-being. You are pleasant, sympathetic, and cooperative.

Agreeableness Facets
Trust. A person with high trust assumes that most people are fair, honest, and have good intentions. Persons low in trust see others as selfish, devious, and potentially dangerous. Your level of trust is high.
Morality. High scorers on this scale see no need for pretense or manipulation when dealing with others and are therefore candid, frank, and sincere. Low scorers believe that a certain amount of deception in social relationships is necessary. People find it relatively easy to relate to the straightforward high-scorers on this scale. They generally find it more difficult to relate to the unstraightforward low-scorers on this scale. It should be made clear that low scorers are not unprincipled or immoral; they are simply more guarded and less willing to openly reveal the whole truth. Your level of morality is average.
Altruism. Altruistic people find helping other people genuinely rewarding. Consequently, they are generally willing to assist those who are in need. Altruistic people find that doing things for others is a form of self-fulfillment rather than self-sacrifice. Low scorers on this scale do not particularly like helping those in need. Requests for help feel like an imposition rather than an opportunity for self-fulfillment. Your level of altruism is high.
Cooperation. Individuals who score high on this scale dislike confrontations. They are perfectly willing to compromise or to deny their own needs in order to get along with others. Those who score low on this scale are more likely to intimidate others to get their way. Your level of cooperation is high.
Modesty. High scorers on this scale do not like to claim that they are better than other people. In some cases this attitude may derive from low self-confidence or self-esteem. Nonetheless, some people with high self-esteem find immodesty unseemly. Those who are willing to describe themselves as superior tend to be seen as disagreeably arrogant by other people. Your level of modesty is high.
Sympathy. People who score high on this scale are tenderhearted and compassionate. They feel the pain of others vicariously and are easily moved to pity. Low scorers are not affected strongly by human suffering. They pride themselves on making objective judgments based on reason. They are more concerned with truth and impartial justice than with mercy. Your level of tender-mindedness is average.
Conscientiousness
Conscientiousness concerns the way in which we control, regulate, and direct our impulses. Impulses are not inherently bad; occasionally time constraints require a snap decision, and acting on our first impulse can be an effective response. Also, in times of play rather than work, acting spontaneously and impulsively can be fun. Impulsive individuals can be seen by others as colorful, fun-to-be-with, and zany.
Nonetheless, acting on impulse can lead to trouble in a number of ways. Some impulses are antisocial. Uncontrolled antisocial acts not only harm other members of society, but also can result in retribution toward the perpetrator of such impulsive acts. Another problem with impulsive acts is that they often produce immediate rewards but undesirable, long-term consequences. Examples include excessive socializing that leads to being fired from one's job, hurling an insult that causes the breakup of an important relationship, or using pleasure-inducing drugs that eventually destroy one's health.

Impulsive behavior, even when not seriously destructive, diminishes a person's effectiveness in significant ways. Acting impulsively disallows contemplating alternative courses of action, some of which would have been wiser than the impulsive choice. Impulsivity also sidetracks people during projects that require organized sequences of steps or stages. Accomplishments of an impulsive person are therefore small, scattered, and inconsistent.

A hallmark of intelligence, what potentially separates human beings from earlier life forms, is the ability to think about future consequences before acting on an impulse. Intelligent activity involves contemplation of long-range goals, organizing and planning routes to these goals, and persisting toward one's goals in the face of short-lived impulses to the contrary. The idea that intelligence involves impulse control is nicely captured by the term prudence, an alternative label for the Conscientiousness domain. Prudent means both wise and cautious. Persons who score high on the Conscientiousness scale are, in fact, perceived by others as intelligent.

The benefits of high conscientiousness are obvious. Conscientious individuals avoid trouble and achieve high levels of success through purposeful planning and persistence. They are also positively regarded by others as intelligent and reliable. On the negative side, they can be compulsive perfectionists and workaholics. Furthermore, extremely conscientious individuals might be regarded as stuffy and boring. Unconscientious people may be criticized for their unreliability, lack of ambition, and failure to stay within the lines, but they will experience many short-lived pleasures and they will never be called stuffy.

DOMAIN/Facet Score
CONSCIENTIOUSNESS 47
..Self-Efficacy 56
..Orderliness 53
..Dutifulness 66
..Achievement-Striving 80
..Self-Discipline 55
..Cautiousness 1
Your score on Conscientiousness is average. This means you are reasonably reliable, organized, and self-controlled.

Conscientiousness Facets
Self-Efficacy. Self-Efficacy describes confidence in one's ability to accomplish things. High scorers believe they have the intelligence (common sense), drive, and self-control necessary for achieving success. Low scorers do not feel effective, and may have a sense that they are not in control of their lives. Your level of self-efficacy is average.
Orderliness. Persons with high scores on orderliness are well-organized. They like to live according to routines and schedules. They keep lists and make plans. Low scorers tend to be disorganized and scattered. Your level of orderliness is average.
Dutifulness. This scale reflects the strength of a person's sense of duty and obligation. Those who score high on this scale have a strong sense of moral obligation. Low scorers find contracts, rules, and regulations overly confining. They are likely to be seen as unreliable or even irresponsible. Your level of dutifulness is average.
Achievement-Striving. Individuals who score high on this scale strive hard to achieve excellence. Their drive to be recognized as successful keeps them on track toward their lofty goals. They often have a strong sense of direction in life, but extremely high scores may be too single-minded and obsessed with their work. Low scorers are content to get by with a minimal amount of work, and might be seen by others as lazy. Your level of achievement striving is high.
Self-Discipline. Self-discipline-what many people call will-power-refers to the ability to persist at difficult or unpleasant tasks until they are completed. People who possess high self-discipline are able to overcome reluctance to begin tasks and stay on track despite distractions. Those with low self-discipline procrastinate and show poor follow-through, often failing to complete tasks-even tasks they want very much to complete. Your level of self-discipline is average.
Cautiousness. Cautiousness describes the disposition to think through possibilities before acting. High scorers on the Cautiousness scale take their time when making decisions. Low scorers often say or do first thing that comes to mind without deliberating alternatives and the probable consequences of those alternatives. Your level of cautiousness is low.
Neuroticism
Freud originally used the term neurosis to describe a condition marked by mental distress, emotional suffering, and an inability to cope effectively with the normal demands of life. He suggested that everyone shows some signs of neurosis, but that we differ in our degree of suffering and our specific symptoms of distress. Today neuroticism refers to the tendency to experience negative feelings. Those who score high on Neuroticism may experience primarily one specific negative feeling such as anxiety, anger, or depression, but are likely to experience several of these emotions. People high in neuroticism are emotionally reactive. They respond emotionally to events that would not affect most people, and their reactions tend to be more intense than normal. They are more likely to interpret ordinary situations as threatening, and minor frustrations as hopelessly difficult. Their negative emotional reactions tend to persist for unusually long periods of time, which means they are often in a bad mood. These problems in emotional regulation can diminish a neurotic's ability to think clearly, make decisions, and cope effectively with stress.
At the other end of the scale, individuals who score low in neuroticism are less easily upset and are less emotionally reactive. They tend to be calm, emotionally stable, and free from persistent negative feelings. Freedom from negative feelings does not mean that low scorers experience a lot of positive feelings; frequency of positive emotions is a component of the Extraversion domain.

DOMAIN/Facet Score
NEUROTICISM 42
..Anxiety 17
..Anger 27
..Depression 44
..Self-Consciousness 63
..Immoderation 63
..Vulnerability 62
Your score on Neuroticism is average, indicating that your level of emotional reactivity is typical of the general population. Stressful and frustrating situations are somewhat upsetting to you, but you are generally able to get over these feelings and cope with these situations.

Neuroticism Facets
Anxiety. The "fight-or-flight" system of the brain of anxious individuals is too easily and too often engaged. Therefore, people who are high in anxiety often feel like something dangerous is about to happen. They may be afraid of specific situations or be just generally fearful. They feel tense, jittery, and nervous. Persons low in Anxiety are generally calm and fearless. Your level of anxiety is low.
Anger. Persons who score high in Anger feel enraged when things do not go their way. They are sensitive about being treated fairly and feel resentful and bitter when they feel they are being cheated. This scale measures the tendency to feel angry; whether or not the person expresses annoyance and hostility depends on the individual's level on Agreeableness. Low scorers do not get angry often or easily. Your level of anger is low.
Depression. This scale measures the tendency to feel sad, dejected, and discouraged. High scorers lack energy and have difficult initiating activities. Low scorers tend to be free from these depressive feelings. Your level of depression is average.
Self-Consciousness. Self-conscious individuals are sensitive about what others think of them. Their concern about rejection and ridicule cause them to feel shy and uncomfortable around others. They are easily embarrassed and often feel ashamed. Their fears that others will criticize or make fun of them are exaggerated and unrealistic, but their awkwardness and discomfort may make these fears a self-fulfilling prophecy. Low scorers, in contrast, do not suffer from the mistaken impression that everyone is watching and judging them. They do not feel nervous in social situations. Your level of self-consciousness is average.
Immoderation. Immoderate individuals feel strong cravings and urges that they have have difficulty resisting. They tend to be oriented toward short-term pleasures and rewards rather than long- term consequences. Low scorers do not experience strong, irresistible cravings and consequently do not find themselves tempted to overindulge. Your level of immoderation is average.
Vulnerability. High scorers on Vulnerability experience panic, confusion, and helplessness when under pressure or stress. Low scorers feel more poised, confident, and clear-thinking when stressed. Your level of vulnerability is average.
Openness to Experience
Openness to Experience describes a dimension of cognitive style that distinguishes imaginative, creative people from down-to-earth, conventional people. Open people are intellectually curious, appreciative of art, and sensitive to beauty. They tend to be, compared to closed people, more aware of their feelings. They tend to think and act in individualistic and nonconforming ways. Intellectuals typically score high on Openness to Experience; consequently, this factor has also been called Culture or Intellect. Nonetheless, Intellect is probably best regarded as one aspect of openness to experience. Scores on Openness to Experience are only modestly related to years of education and scores on standard intelligent tests.
Another characteristic of the open cognitive style is a facility for thinking in symbols and abstractions far removed from concrete experience. Depending on the individual's specific intellectual abilities, this symbolic cognition may take the form of mathematical, logical, or geometric thinking, artistic and metaphorical use of language, music composition or performance, or one of the many visual or performing arts. People with low scores on openness to experience tend to have narrow, common interests. They prefer the plain, straightforward, and obvious over the complex, ambiguous, and subtle. They may regard the arts and sciences with suspicion, regarding these endeavors as abstruse or of no practical use. Closed people prefer familiarity over novelty; they are conservative and resistant to change.

Openness is often presented as healthier or more mature by psychologists, who are often themselves open to experience. However, open and closed styles of thinking are useful in different environments. The intellectual style of the open person may serve a professor well, but research has shown that closed thinking is related to superior job performance in police work, sales, and a number of service occupations.

DOMAIN/Facet Score
OPENNESS 82
..Imagination 75
..Artistic Interests 87
..Emotionality 59
..Adventurousness 66
..Intellect 66
..Liberalism 79
Your score on Openness to Experience is high, indicating you enjoy novelty, variety, and change. You are curious, imaginative, and creative.

Openness Facets
Imagination. To imaginative individuals, the real world is often too plain and ordinary. High scorers on this scale use fantasy as a way of creating a richer, more interesting world. Low scorers are on this scale are more oriented to facts than fantasy. Your level of imagination is high.
Artistic Interests. High scorers on this scale love beauty, both in art and in nature. They become easily involved and absorbed in artistic and natural events. They are not necessarily artistically trained nor talented, although many will be. The defining features of this scale are interest in, and appreciation of natural and artificial beauty. Low scorers lack aesthetic sensitivity and interest in the arts. Your level of artistic interests is high.
Emotionality. Persons high on Emotionality have good access to and awareness of their own feelings. Low scorers are less aware of their feelings and tend not to express their emotions openly. Your level of emotionality is average.
Adventurousness. High scorers on adventurousness are eager to try new activities, travel to foreign lands, and experience different things. They find familiarity and routine boring, and will take a new route home just because it is different. Low scorers tend to feel uncomfortable with change and prefer familiar routines. Your level of adventurousness is average.
Intellect. Intellect and artistic interests are the two most important, central aspects of openness to experience. High scorers on Intellect love to play with ideas. They are open-minded to new and unusual ideas, and like to debate intellectual issues. They enjoy riddles, puzzles, and brain teasers. Low scorers on Intellect prefer dealing with either people or things rather than ideas. They regard intellectual exercises as a waste of time. Intellect should not be equated with intelligence. Intellect is an intellectual style, not an intellectual ability, although high scorers on Intellect score slightly higher than low-Intellect individuals on standardized intelligence tests. Your level of intellect is average.
Liberalism. Psychological liberalism refers to a readiness to challenge authority, convention, and traditional values. In its most extreme form, psychological liberalism can even represent outright hostility toward rules, sympathy for law-breakers, and love of ambiguity, chaos, and disorder. Psychological conservatives prefer the security and stability brought by conformity to tradition. Psychological liberalism and conservatism are not identical to political affiliation, but certainly incline individuals toward certain political parties. Your level of liberalism is high.

[Aristeia]

And ari fair enuf, but i dislike the other things as well

mmm like what?

[Aristeia]

If I need to be flipped this game to establish that this is kind of play from me going forward is part of my town meta that's fine.

IV do you have an completed game where you were ok with being misflipped as town?

I kind of remember you using this kind of ate in the last game we played together:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p13026522

[Aristeia]

ok but why?

[Aristeia]

if its not clear; why are you changing your playstyle for this game?

[Aristeia]

my solve has been vp/iv/laplacian for a while now :3 I largely townread everyone else here

I like this solve

[Aristeia]

hope you slept well!

[Aristeia]

dance game

when are you going to invite me to a dance game? ~_~

[Aristeia]

when is the next dance game happening?

mmmmm is that a promise?

[Aristeia]

you are fourth vote and I am fifth vote I think.

VOTE: Laplacian

E-2

[Aristeia]

mmmmm is that a promise?

you know i would love to dance with you <3

Spoiler: For Dats

[Aristeia]

it means you are an easy elimination because you are naturally scummy when town.

Frog is asking what the odds are that you are a townie being run up for being scummy rather than a mafia being run up.

[Aristeia]

He just wants to feel loved

[Aristeia]

i'm gonna go pass out at the very late time of 9:21pm because i didn't sleep shit the past two days, see y'all tomorrow

Hope you sleep better tonight ! <3

[Aristeia]

i wasn't arguing the big five has no validity, i was arguing that it was measuring a construct that is irrelevant to reading my alignment in this game, and therefore it would be easy ~good townie points~ to score by completing it, while actually giving no useful info

What if I just want to read your personality profile because I like reading about you?

[Aristeia]

i will gladly take the test and send you my results post game of you are truly curious

I mostly filled mine out for you <3

[Aristeia]

I believe I've said it already but my impression of RTP scum game is that their likely to try and actively wrangle the gamestate to be favorable towards scum. I think their significantly more passive this game than they would be if they were scum.

What would they be doing if they were scum?

[Aristeia]

Isn't the first sentence and the second sentence a contradiction? How does RTP wrangle the game state towards being scum-favorable if they are passive?

[Aristeia]

oh hmm I read that wrong I see

[Aristeia]

What would you like to chat about?

[Aristeia]

What's the perfect mixture of chocolate and milk to make hot chocolate?

[Aristeia]

I guess it's weird to me that you felt that lapla is newbtown but you're ok with lapla getting run over by RTP because you trust RTP to be town because you think RTP!scum is more aggressive?

It's not really a train of thought that makes a lot of sense to me.

[Aristeia]

v good question, except i don't make hot chocolate often >.>
i'm lazy and use one of those powdered mixes and they're really not so good, and these two things are probably related >.>

mmmm I get one of those Scharffenberger bars and melt an ounce in warm milk over the stovetop and it smells amazing.

[Aristeia]

I am fairly bad at reading newbs of any alignment and the case other players that I currently think are town are bringing against Lapla make more sense than my gut feeling on Lapla's slot, which is why I'm okay with the Lapla wagon even though my own reads tell me to push for I_V or S_S today.

That doesn't really explain your RTP read though.

If RTP is scum and LaPla is town then RTP is doing what they need to do to get the elimination here? Like what more aggression do you expect them to be doing?

[Aristeia]

I guess it's weird to me that you felt that lapla is newbtown but you're ok with lapla getting run over by RTP because you trust RTP to be town because you think RTP!scum is more aggressive?

It's not really a train of thought that makes a lot of sense to me.

Scum case me or stop this pointless line ty

I don't need a Quick style tinfoil where loud and aggressive= wrong

this isn't even about you

[Aristeia]

I think you're town.

I think OWER's iso regarding you/lapla is not great

nobody is even suspecting you.

[Aristeia]

he could just be wrongtown tbh

[Aristeia]

I think the thread would better off if you two didn't talk to each other though for at least the next day or so

[Aristeia]

I am trusting you for at least one day you don't need to yell at me ~_~

[Aristeia]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

IV's ISO from the last mini normal I played with him where he was mafia - I think his first readlist is on 694/695.

[Aristeia]

We already talked about his play in that game earlier in the thread when I said his ate about being ok with being eliminated reminded me of his ate from that game.

I brought it up because you were analyzing his read-list in this game and I wanted you to have something to reference.

[Aristeia]

Why do you think IV is town?

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on the bright side we won't have to argue about IV

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I think Lapla is at E-1 btw

[Aristeia]

maybe you are more mysterious than usual this game

[Aristeia]

good luck with your exams/interview!

I'm sure you will do amazing ^___^

Spoiler: for Datisi

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I think Lapla is at E-1 btw

Actually might be hammered? I think he was e2 before this, but i'm not sure who comprised that e2

Frogster moved off then came back on wagon

House joined wagon so we are at E-1

[Aristeia]

Any thoughts on Lapla?

[Aristeia]

ffff that's a lot of posts. I'll fully respond once I'm off work, but 1. frogster's 592 case is garbage and 2. what exactly is "lunchbait"? I have ideas from context, but want to make sure.

well we've been waiting for him to show why 592 is "garbage" but he dipped. what do you think of the case?

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Here's all of Laplacian's completed game ISOs:

Mini Normal

Newbie

I think just on a skim-through he feels a lot more proactive in these completed games whereas here his noise ratio is higher and I'm not sure what he's actually doing.

[Aristeia]

While we wait, I have a question: Ari, are you intentionally avoiding interacting with me today?

Yes.

Is there something you wanted to talk about?

[Aristeia]

you are so wrong its kind of cute

[Aristeia]

While we wait, I have a question: Ari, are you intentionally avoiding interacting with me today?

Yes.

Is there something you wanted to talk about?

Was just curious because there were two times I posed things directly to you and you just straight didn't respond to me. So it stuck out.

I probably missed them. Sorry.

Can you repost what you want answered?

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don't you remember the first game we met?

You jumped on Ico right away and clobbered him and it was so dashing ~.~

I don't think skitter really was able to anything to help him then.

With the game state how it currently is I kind of doubt she'd be able to stop Laplacian from going down if she were mafia with him.

[Aristeia]

I am highly tempted to just brainsoff deadsheep RTP

[Aristeia]

How did you do on your interview/exams Datisi?

[Aristeia]

Hi Mathblade!

Good to see you again

[Aristeia]

awww

thanks

[Aristeia]

I want to just sheep RTP's hero solve until it misses because they are very loud and also very dead.

[Aristeia]

Readwise I'm here:

Special - Datisi
Very Town - Frogs, House
Town - Andres, Mathblade
Null - OWER, S_S
NullScum - Skitter VPB IV

[Aristeia]

If you're sheeping RTP, why isn't S_S a townread?

Because I don't town-read S_S.

It's also irrelevant if RTP is right about the last two mafia.

[Aristeia]

btw i think

if a50 flips town

skitter is massively sus for trying to defend lap in the way they are


its like active discouragement of a wagon you supposedly dont care about


but also ive seen skitter have a game where they were way off (chain of command) so wee

VP IS FUCKJNG SCUM

VP is trying to discredit my read on laplacian by attaching it to something irrelevant (my read on IV)
Its pretty clear but my read on IV did soften once i saw them post a lot more.
It's not easy for me to abandon solves i have felt high confidence on due to ego. Obviously i pivoted to laplacian because a) people werent seeing him as scum anymore b) he eas posting more robust thoughts

VP is trying to subtly plant the idea that im scummy for this without directly pushing me because his team is probably in a shit spot because I PoEd them all fast
Shrug

I'm unlikely to unvote laplacian here

you should probably re-read Day1 it's not that long.

[Aristeia]

Skitter is always V/LA on Friday/Saturday

[Aristeia]

VOTE: VP Baltar

[Aristeia]

did you have any other thoughts overnight?

[Aristeia]

I would be very surprised if A50 is mafia in this game

[Aristeia]

I would be very surprised if A50 is mafia in this game

Is this just because of the scum v scum wagons on D1?

I thought he was pretty townie during d1 and the way he got kicked out of the game felt very townie

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I guess I just feel the comfort level he has with the game is town-indicative and the way he's approached the game feels like something that he wouldn't necesarily make up from a red role pm.

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There is something related to this I want to bring up later on D2 actually.

I just looked through your iso for your reads and I saw you had skitter as a nullscum on your reads list, do you want to elaborate on your read of skitter at all?

PEdit: Okay it sounds like this is more along the lines of what you expect from town!Math.

no my read on the slot is based on how I believe A50 plays

Mathblade is a much stronger scum player than A50.

I think skitter's iso leans more towards scum than not, it felt somewhat strange for her to not have concrete thoughts about how the d1 elim went.

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I have trouble with coming up with a scum team that decides to bigbrain shoot RTP in order to frame Baltar rather than just let RTP live and death-tunnel Baltar into the ground

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RTP is extremely loud and had strong thread influence/universally townread so I don't think scum really had a choice regardless of whether they were TPR or not.

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Skitter said some stuff about S_S being town for reasons she can't express - I don't think she does that if they are S/S together

[Aristeia]

You seen pretty resistant to considering VP Baltar as scum.

I think Frog has made it pretty clear he is fine with hammering VPB he just doesn't want to end the day early

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I mean I don't really want the day to end early either I'd rather flirt more with Datisi and complacency is poison sometimes

[Aristeia]

I would be incredibly impressed if Frogster was mafia here. I don't see how he endgames as it would be weird for him to be alive anywhere near the end.

[Aristeia]

I would be incredibly impressed if Frogster was mafia here. I don't see how he endgames as it would be weird for him to be alive anywhere near the end.

I'm not calling him Mafia. I'm scolding him for being an obstacle to a scum flip.

I don't think he's being an obstacle to a scum flip - he just wants to take his time and that's important in games that seem

too easy

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Ari do you know if scum!skitter uses lines like "i dont think i should be townread" and "im having a hard time getting into this game" ?

I don't think she has issues with that at all - it's fairly trivial for her to fake.

The most town indicative areas of skitter's ISO are that she's throwing townreads/pings to people that ideally would be mislim targets in this pl for her and keeping people like me/datisi at null when she should know we are very difficult to mislim.

The most scum indicative areas for skitter are that she doesn't really have a concrete opinion about Lapla as he's going down the tubes - I feel it's generally more difficult for her to find her footing in a game that's moving quickly.

I'm somewhat conflicted about the read in general but I don't think it's a priority to nail down today - we have some breathing room.

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Not so sure VP is scum tbh. They aren’t giving me dead scum vibes. So help an ol foagie out and let him talk

How familiar are you with VPB scum?

[Aristeia]

Not so sure VP is scum tbh. They aren’t giving me dead scum vibes. So help an ol foagie out and let him talk

How familiar are you with VPB scum?

Never played with them. Just don’t feel they’re scum. And if they are they don’t feel trapped. So it’s more how they posted thing.

I think you should do some actual meta research if you are going to use vibe-reads.

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yes but you are townreading someone off vibes - so at a minimum you should know if those vibes are actually AI?

[Aristeia]

Hiiiii Dats <3

[Aristeia]

Spoiler: For Datisi Coffee

You make me happy Dats <3

[Aristeia]

VPB you will find this funny

but I thought d1

"mmm VPB is probably mafia because I don't feel the overwhelming desire to murder him yet"

[Aristeia]

I would totally gamethrow for you

[Aristeia]

what part of his game on d1 felt townie to you?

His willingness to work with RTP on read meshing 1010, his emotional response 1006, his pushback on skitter in 1005 felt aggressive and much more likely to come from town!him imo.

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but your heart knows it's true <3

[Aristeia]

I don't think VPB claimed PR if that's what you think he did

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I thought Baltar!scum was TMIing off the force replace to say it was town tbh

and what mech info would baltar!scum need? he starts with a list of the townies to begin with.

Moreover I really don't think a kill lands on RTP if Baltar is town because RTP is probably going to try to yeet Baltar into the sun today if they were alive.

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VOTE: skitter

the things I do for you

[Aristeia]

so we can have the scum pt all to ourselves dear

[Aristeia]

I thought Baltar!scum was TMIing off the force replace to say it was town tbh

and what mech info would baltar!scum need? he starts with a list of the townies to begin with.

Moreover I really don't think a kill lands on RTP if Baltar is town because RTP is probably going to try to yeet Baltar into the sun today if they were alive.

i don't see why scum!baltar changes the story from a50 being scum (when he sees that i'm down to yeet a50) into a50 being locktown for ~reasons~ and attacking me

like, one possible way that happens is that if vp saw that i will have my eyes on him after a50 flips green, got scared, and decided to bullshit a townread on a50 in order to pre-empt me scumreading him by pushing me today... but that's still basically locking yourself in a pr claim (i don't think he can believably explain the shift in any other way)...

eh, idk, i guess i can maybe sorta if-i-take-my-glasses-off-and-squint see this being a possible scenario, but /shrug. the day is young.

I think refuge in audacity is fine if you need to survive and he certainly seems capable of it.

[Aristeia]

so we can have the scum pt all to ourselves dear

please stop giving him ideas >_>

We'd have so much fun in a scum PT together

[Aristeia]

it's still basically giving up an ~easy~ misyeet in order to pre-emptively push me, though...

I really don't think A50/Mathblade is that easy to misyeet tbh

[Aristeia]

I do kind of just want to sheep your baltar read because you probably are much better than me at reading him

[Aristeia]

breakfast is important datisi <3

see you later o(>ω<)o

[Aristeia]

nope!

[Aristeia]

I don't think OWER kills RTP when RTP was hard defending OWER yesterday

[Aristeia]

why did you give up on questioning ari that quickly?

You could always question me yourself dear <3

[Aristeia]

awww

Frogster you are adoorable

[Aristeia]

Watching Datisi hand wave about how comically stupid it would be for him to play scum this way is one of my favorite things.

Esp when VPB is being unreasonable.

[Aristeia]

Have you actually read the game mathblade?

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Have you actually read the game mathblade?

I have head the like 4-5 pages that game up this morning
VP v Dat seems like a TvT shitfest
You seem content to egg Dat on and push VP

Then combined with a little VCA meaning Andres and you only potential bussers left means I want to see some pressure on you while I do

You just lost a game for town because of VCA perhaps you should read the game before taking some short cuts.

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VCA is a crutch that you can use but without actual context like thread mood, game state flow, reading how things actually unfolded, it can be pretty misleading.

Do the work - be better.

[Aristeia]

Why not just call me an idiot and keep doing what you’re doing?

I don't think you're an idiot, don't say that about yourself.

[Aristeia]

I lost a game because of a unicorn scenario and a few other things.

I think the issue with the way you analyzed the game is that you didn't actually read what happened or how the gameflow actually was moving so you made a judgement on the VCA without context.

Then you used that VCA as a first principle to push slots in a manner that didn't make sense to actual game play.

The lesson imo you should've learned from that mistake is that using VCA every time instead of actually fitting VCA to gameplay is not a good way to play the game rather than oh no unicorn situation I just got unlucky this time.

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Again why so defensive?

because I know you can get irrationally tunneled and you're somewhat loud and I have little patience for you making the same mistake this game that you just made.

I would like you to actually read the game and tell me what you actually think happened rather than just go "day 1 wagon on scum must have bussers" let's go vote here.

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Had I had an actual miselim or something to work with that other game maybe it goes better.
You don’t join an almost perfect game expecting to win you join it for fun and practice

ok but you didn't have a mislim that game - you joined at elo.

You play the hand you are dealt.

[Aristeia]

ari, who is scum?

<skitter - iv - vpb>

[Aristeia]

The most scum indicative areas for skitter are that she doesn't really have a concrete opinion about Lapla as he's going down the tubes - I feel it's generally more difficult for her to find her footing in a game that's moving quickly.

[Aristeia]

Spoiler: placeholder so I can laugh at myself later

Datisi
House
RTP
Skitter
A50

PoE has like no scum and vote is on Lap.
Seems still typical scum play

those are townreads

[Aristeia]

can you stop being tunneled on me!scum and actually read the game without confbiasing yourself.

[Aristeia]

can you stop being tunneled on me!scum and actually read the game without confbiasing yourself.

This is me reading the game.

Until you do something meritting a townread you don’t get one

No this is you confbiasing

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because RTP read the same ISO you are reading and decided I'm town and then scum shot him in the face.

You came in with a pretty bad read off VCA and when I gave you shit for not reading the game you decided to go back and start picking out things that make you think "ari is scum"

You took a townread list on page 10ish and called it a POE so I'm pretty sure you're missing context since you can't tell the difference between a list of townreads and a POE.

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VOTE: IV

that was easy

Oooh vote off a buddy at flimsiest excuse without reasons still.

Spicy. My vote is good.

You want to be townread, earn it by doing something.

Mathblade

You don't know if I am doing something

because you literally have not read the game.

[Aristeia]

That is me reading the game.
Up til that point your votes have been naked and you’ve spent you’re entire ISO buddying Dat.

Maybe catch up to present time before you start talking shit about how I haven't done anything.

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was anyone actually thinking a50's slot was cleared because of the force-repout? i sure wasn't

I thought the post he got force repped for felt pretty townie.

The actual force rep is nai imo.

[Aristeia]

Correct. That’s why I am voting Ari. Still catching up but the move off of Lap to IV is sus. It matches the initial hop I would expect then back on when the wagon was a foregone conclusion. I haven’t read her plop back on but that’s what the vote count says

the hop where I follow Datisi is suspicious to you.

Amazing

[Aristeia]

I'd defend myself but I think it would only make you double down on your incorrect read and ultimately be a waste of my time.

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Correct. That’s why I am voting Ari. Still catching up but the move off of Lap to IV is sus. It matches the initial hop I would expect then back on when the wagon was a foregone conclusion. I haven’t read her plop back on but that’s what the vote count says

the hop where I follow Datisi is suspicious to you.

Amazing

Correct. It looks like you care more about pocketing Datisi than getting scum with the IV vote.

You don't even know what IV's alignment is

[Aristeia]

It's actually amazing you learned nothing from losing that open game in the spectacular manner that you did

[Aristeia]

Like when you death-tunneled Dwlee into Dwlee revealing themselves as IC you'd think you'd sit down and re-evaluate your game state read but no you continued to not listen to anyone else and believe in your own solution above all else

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You actually are arrogant enough to believe you know better than someone who has actually played the entire game and is thinking and so you decide to vote your own solution rather than let Dwlee make a decision. It's really infuriating to me the way you play town.

[Aristeia]

You are incredibly confbiased.

[Aristeia]

Mafia is not a dice game.

[Aristeia]

You didn't have a 90% chance of being right

You don't even understand how you messed up.

You still think you are right despite hard evidence you are wrong.

[Aristeia]

Ari, what are your thoughts on the on and off wagon split?

I think probably 2 off-wagon.

[Aristeia]

Mafia is not a dice game.

It is though. I have to make a guess based on incomplete info.
So I make a guess based on what is most likely.

You really have learned nothing from the loss and that is a shame.

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You didn't have a 90% chance of being right

You don't even understand how you messed up.

You still think you are right despite hard evidence you are wrong.

I don’t think you want to challenge me on math. I was wrong that game but the play was correct even though it ended in a loss.

Think of it like a game of poker. If you’re the second best hand the proper play is usually all in because someone having the best hand is very rare. That’s what happened so *shrug*

I have never voted incorrectly in elo so you probably don't want to challenge me on how to play town.

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If you want it to mean something you’d have to tell me what I was supposed to gleam from repping into an almost unwinnable game.

did you even read firebringer's last reads that he posted when you repped into the slot?

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because you replaced into a slot with near perfect reads and you decided to throw them out the window to go down your own rabbit hole.

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I am not saying you are bad because you are scumreading me

I am giving you feedback on your town play because you have a tendency to tunnel.

Like for example in that game that just ended.

[Aristeia]

this is not ate

this is me geniunely being annoyed at the way you play town

which i would be doing even if I were mafia here so its not even alignment indicative for me to be doing this hence why ate doesn't even make sense as an accusation.

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Instead of taking the lesson that you should not tunnel and you should re-evaluate the way you approach games, you seem to have taken the idea that

a] it was a unicorn situation
b] your plan would've worked 90% of the time
c] that game was unwinnable for town.


these are all making excuses for your mistake and not one of them is actually true.

I hope you become a better player because it's infuriating to watch you mess up, learn nothing then come here and tunnel me.

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I don’t blatantly disregard my replace ins reads but try to see if they are valid. They didn’t make sense so I started fresh. Yes I guessed wrong but I worked with probability. The fact you see tunnel when I actively asked questions is a problem

And the fact you won’t hunt and instead characterize a valid scumread as a tunnel is a problem

you are literally tunneling

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you took my townread list on page 10 and called it a poe

i corrected you and said no thats a townread list,

you then said im still scum

thats literally the definition of a confbiased shit tunnel.

[Aristeia]

And the fact you won’t hunt

what are you even talking about

[Aristeia]

you took my townread list on page 10 and called it a poe

i corrected you and said no thats a townread list,

you then said im still scum

thats literally the definition of a confbiased shit tunnel.

Yes. One misinterpretation of a post doesn’t change a shit ton of bad.

this is literally the definition of confbias

[Aristeia]

instead of reading the game impartially you decided to cast everything I do in a scummy light. then when informed you are wrong about something you just hand wave it and say it doesn't matter

[Aristeia]

Why do I scumread you Ari? What’s wrong about it? Are you even listening or are you just screaming tunnel?

you are scumreading me for sheeping Datisi. It's pretty stupid.

[Aristeia]

you said i am jumping off Lapla into IV in a scummy way. except I am sheeping Datisi so I would have to somehow hack into his brain and get him to move his vote first. It's ridiculous.

[Aristeia]

this conversation is a waste of my time

dont talk to me i dont care anymore.

[Aristeia]

If you were half as good as you are arrogant you'd be the best player on the site

[Aristeia]

if I was scum I wouldn't be saying any of this to you because all it does is make you double down even more on the read.

I'm saying this because I am very tilted

[Aristeia]

The case was good and then this interaction was a lot and looks TvT to me. UNVOTE: Ari

Unless someone comes in and says they've personally seen Ari play like this as scum I think Ari is town.

I am capable of very good AtE as mafia and this isn't even AtE.

This is just me being annoyed with how Mathblade plays town.

Which I would be even if I were mafia here being death-tunneled by him.

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Because that wagon wasn’t pure

You literally don't know this

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That's what infuriates me about your playstyle.

Because if that wagon is pure and you spend 3 mislims killing on it and then we lose, you will just be happy with the loss and say "ooh it was a unicorn pure wagon"

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When you say very good AtE do you mean that you'll AtE for multiple pages and bring up past games and stuff?

This is my only completed scum game:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

you can read it for how I can use AtE as mafia.

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VOTE: Ari

Like I can’t not when she continues to push it.

Will hop on Andres if it becomes a major wagon.

Push what?

[Aristeia]

Every single mechanical probability I had there was accurate

The double voter was scum
Wake was outside of usual patterns

The realistic odds of a wagon not containing a scum are slim. It requires select 7 of 12 no scum.

Odds of first slot 9/12
Second 8/11
Third 7/10
6/11
5/10
4/9
3/8

Multiplying those together is around .22 percent

So 78% odds either Ari or Andres are scum.

Mafia is not a math game

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You lost the other game because you are very rigid in how you expect a wagon to look.

You ignored the reads of the other town players in the game who were right about wagon composition and insisted you were right.

You make excuses about it being a unicorn wagon and highly atypical to excuse your close-mindedness.

Instead of learning from your mistake you are doubling down on the wagon must look a certain way therefore I am going to push according to it.

[Aristeia]

sure

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@1615 Your Datisi push at the beginning of the day was really tinfoily and reachy. The "chain elim" argument is something I've seen from town before when they're paranoid about a slot and it's usually a bad argument since it's much more likely that the slot in question is just looking through potential associatives.

So let me ask if you agree with datisi it is unlikely the other two scum were on a Lap bus. You think both scum were off wagon?

Yeah, I'd agree that the other scum were likely off wagon.

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If House and Frogster and Math are all town, as I believe they are, then there's a 0% chance that if they actually manage to all agree on something, it will make a lick of sense.

Dude look at VP’s last post
Remember the game with LLD and you were hider?

Look at it and tell me that’s not a crumb of visiting Datisi.

Mathblade do you consider the situation in which you are wrong about Datisi and he is town with you?

Let's say there are two scum and they know VPB is a weak modifier player due to D1 crumb + n1 result and you/dats are both town.

They see VPB crumbing a Datisi(Town) visit.

At that point do they:

(a) Let VPB visit Datisi and clear another town player and shoot ???? instead.

or

(b) shoot VPB to stop him from clearing more players.
(A) Not kill VPB and let him clear another player.

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I would probably be voting for IV but yesterday has shown me that I really can't trust people to not rush the day.

I am extremely disappointed in the players that rushed the execution, I was looking forward to talking with skitter - I am unsure if I could've gotten to the correct idea that she is town but it would've been better than what happened.

I think the last person that makes sense for the RTP NK is probably IV here. I'm still catching up.


@Datisi

I think there's certainly a possibility that scum roleblocker generated a false clear on Mathblade, his play d2 in flipping from wanting me dead to speedyeeting skitter was pretty ugh - but I don't think I'm all the way there yet on wanting to eliminate him.

I know scum!mathblade can fake conviction too but I do think A50 was somewhat townie in the way he played his role.

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VOTE: innocentvillager

e-1

Town:
Dats, Ari, SS, House, Frog
Edge Case:
Math
Scum:
Andres, IV

I can't believe he has decided to try to quicklim back to back days

I am now more glad I did not vote for IV yet.