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Mizzytastic wrote:

In post 4532, Mizzytastic wrote:/in to mod large

currently modding a mini theme but I have the worst as a backup mod for this game

The setup is below, I'll post role pms and rules and stuff once the design thread is up. My rules will be pretty much the same as a previous normal so there shouldn't be much of an issue.

19 Players 14:5

Mafia Informed Neighbour (The traitor is bulletproof, and not a neighbour)
Mafia 4-Shot Follower
Mafia 2-Shot Alien
Mafia Goon
Mafia Bulletproof Traitor

Town Indecisive Doctor Neighbour
Town Ascetic Neighbour
Town Neighbour

Town Mason
Town Mason

Town Traffic Analyst
Town Compulsive Roaming Fruit Vendor, 2-Shot Vigilante (compulsive to either vend fruit or shoot, roaming only on the fruit vendor)
3-Shot Psychologist

6xVT

Balance tweeks

If it's too scum sided I feel like the best solution is making the traitor public information, or making the alien just a jailkeeper or even a doc. Alternatively getting rid of the ascetic.

If it's too townsided the place I'd start is making the psychologist have to act on later nights to up their potential misses, or just giving the vig one shot. Alternatively make the informed neighbour know about a town powerole as well as the traitor, or make one of the mafia power roles a neighbour instead of a town member (I want to keep at least one goon in this set up)

Variants

I was considering a variant where the traitor is a mailman on something like night-3, so they can let the mafia know who they are but on that night the traffic analyst pings on all scum. Another variant I was considering was a 3 player masonry where they start with 1 mason informed that the others will join later and one joining night-2 and one joining night-4 but I figured it was too complicated. If you think this ideas would improve the game I'd love to incorporate them.

My questions

My understanding is mafia flips would be altered to conceal the existence of the traitor but I want to be sure?

What does a psychologist see if they target a person the night they kill? My assumpton is it is based on not having killed at the start of the night

Post 0 wrote:

Mafia Large Normal 23x | Go

A game of hidden roles and social deduction.

Modded by

Mizzytastic

. Backup modded by

the worst

. Reviewed for balance and normalcy by

Isis

and

implosion

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Flavour will be about the board game go. Teaching the basic rules, showing some common sequences, trivia and history

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Spoiler: Alive

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Spoiler: Dead

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Spoiler: Replacements

Spoiler: Spectators

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Important Events

Night 0

:

Pregame

Post 1 wrote:Feedback on rules/format at any point during the game via PM will be appreciated. Evolution of my rules/formatting has been inspired by Korina and Plotinus, and feedback from xofelf.

Golden Rule

Golden Rule

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Communications and Private Threads

Other threads

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Game Setup

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Claiming mafia

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Redactions

: The

Dead and Spectators Thread

will be released at the end of the game. Any other threads will be released 48 hours after game end, or when all players in them have said it is ok to release them. You can use that 48 hours to redact posts or request the thread isn't released.

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bold

it or PM me, otherwise I may miss it and not answer.

Mod Colour

:

#8000FF

is my prefered colour. You can use it but don't

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it, or use it to imitate me.

Deadlines, Activity and V/LA

Pre-game

: The game is locked during pre-game and confirmation. Once all Role PMs have been sent people have 48 hours to reply via PM or the

Mafia Private Thread

with their role and alignment. The game will start after more than 75% of players have confirmed or the 48 hours have passed, after which unconfirmed players will be replaced.

Day-time

: Day 1 lasts for 10 days (240 hours). Later days last for 8 days (192 hours).

Night-time

: Night lasts for 48 hours. The game thread is locked during night. See

Night Actions

in the next section for more info about how they work.

Quick night

: If all living players request a quick night, I will resolve the night phase as soon as possible.

Prods and replacements

: You will be prodded after not posting for 48 hours, or 72 hours over the weekend or when

V/LA

. You will have 24 hours to post or be replaced. If you are prodded 3 times you will be replaced. If you repeatedly post close to prod timer or respond to prods without game advancing content I reserve the right to give you stricter activity requirements.

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Game Actions and Death

Voting

: You can vote for a player or a no elimination with VOTE: XXXX vote tags. If a majority is reached that player will be eliminated and the game will enter twilight. If at least half of the players vote for no elimination no one will be eliminated and the game will enter twilight. If the deadline for the day is reached without a majority no one is eliminated. (

bolded

votes will be counted but I am very likely to miss them so please don't)

Twilight

: Twilight is the time period between a majority vote or deadline and me locking the thread. The voted player is not currently dead and may talk normally. Votes are no longer counted.

Death

: You are dead once I have revealed your role and alignment. You will gain access to the

Dead and Spectators Thread

. You may still post in a Private Notes Thread but not in any other game threads, not even a contentless BAH post.

Night Actions

: Night actions can be submitted by PM or the

Mafia Private Thread

. You will be reminded of any pending night actions 24 hours before night ends - this is not a prod. Night actions submitted after the deadline but before I process the results are forfeited.

Post 2 wrote:

Setup

Day talk

: If you are a member of a shared private thread you may talk there at any time, including the day, as long as you are alive, unless your Role PM says otherwise.

Action Resolution and Multitasking

: Actions are resolved according to Natural Action Resolution. If you have multiple night actions available you may only perform one unless your Role PM says otherwise.

Win Conditions

: Win conditions for

Town

and

Mafia

are as follows:

Town

: You win when all threats to the town are dead, and at least 1 town aligned player is alive.

Mafia

: You win when all players not aligned with you are dead or nothing can prevent that from happening, and at least 1 mafia aligned player is alive.

Sample Roles

: Below are an example role for a

Vanilla Townie

and a

Mafia Goon

. At least 2 players are a Vanilla Townie. 1 or more players might be a Mafia Goon.

Vanilla Townie

You are a

Vanilla Townie

Each day you may talk in the game thread and vote on who to eliminate.

You win when all threats to the town are dead, and at least 1 town aligned player is alive.

The game thread is here, please confirm your role and alignment via pm.

Mafia Goon

You are a

Mafia Goon

You form a

Mafia

family along with REDACTED.

Each day you may talk in the game thread and vote on who to eliminate.

Each night a member of your family may perform a factional kill. A member of your family will attempt to visit a player, and assuming no interference that player will die.

You win when all players not aligned with you are dead or nothing can prevent that from happening, and at least 1 mafia aligned player is alive.

The game thread is here and your Mafia private thread is REDACTED, please confirm your role and alignment via pm or your private thread.

In post 4, Isis wrote:Can we run this with mafia informed of psychologist

I don't think you need other changes. 5 scum can influence 14 players pretty well

Mizzytastic wrote:With reference to my questions from my initial PM, I've read the wiki on the psychologist and now know that even killing the same night as investigates is enough for a negative.

Do you need the alternate version of scum role PMs I'll post on a flip to conceal the existance of the traitor?

Mizzytastic wrote:You are informed that the traitor is not a member of the Neighborhood, and is Bulletproof.

In post 18, implosion wrote:

Mizzytastic wrote:You are informed that the traitor is not a member of the Neighborhood, and is Bulletproof.

This should say "your neighborhood", so as to not preclude the existence of other neighborhoods.

I *think* traitors aren't supposed to know what the mafia's roles are. But this is actually ambiguous on the wiki. Should probably be standardized.

You appear to have accidentally copied the informed ability in the traitor's role PM instead of their bulletproof ability.

I still kind of hate that I did this but

technically

the compulsive role should be required to give that randomized list in their confirmation; see https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Compulsive

I don't believe that a mailman's target counts as a role that can communicate for a traffic analyst based on the wiki.

(there's a lot of things here but all pretty small/nitpicky - overall these look good)