Mini Normal 2262: NbITGBSMoD [game over]

[Andante]

Get rid of all hyperposters

oof... If that's the plan I'm dead soon... I don't like this plan

VOTE: HockeyFan

[Andante]

this rvs is wild!!! woooooo so exciting!! like, no one is really pushing 1 wagon, it's just "vote whoever" lol can rvs be over page 1 plz. I think Surye might be maf here, like, the 8th vote of the game, not on an existing wagon? ehhh

[Andante]

mehhh fire’s is fine, called out something that also caught my eye. Surye’s though… suspicious tbh

when it takes 7 to lim 3 is nothing, putting people on e-2 or e-3 is where the pressure is, not really e-4

[Andante]

VOTE: Surye

[Andante]

now.. 9 people have 1 vote on them!!! woooo lol

[Andante]

also I don't tr Hockey for realz 27,28 come from maf not town

[Andante]

well I sr surye too and would rather sort surye first cause hockey is just gonna throw quote walls out.. and I'd rather just worry about him later. I said that cause I don't want people thinking I TR him!! like, yes initial vote was rvs, but I do think he's maf

[Andante]

good question. probably gonna have to say no.

[Andante]

ooh that's a good post from fire!! I feel like town is more likely to start looking through past games this early

VOTE: HockeyFan

Surye suspicions can wait... for now...
@Surye when you're around, I wanna chat... I'm on to your ways my friend

[Andante]

lmao if surye + hockey really are maf, I bet maf team is panicking XD

[Andante]

I probs have Dwlee as town(for now) for 16,20 and 34

you tr dwlee? that's like the only takeaway? nothing with fire or I?

[Andante]

ive been pretty busy today

Busy with maf plans so soon?

VOTE: 0verki11

[Andante]

Also I do feel a little bad for so much pressure on someone who is genuinely trying, so Hockey can be Hockey in peace for now

[Andante]

Is it just me or did anyone else read the entire 2 page thing as
"yes you did"
"no I didn't"
"yes you did"
"no I didn't"

lol that was great! an entire back and forth that meant exactly nothing

[Andante]

stephen looks a lot worse off that than dwlee does to me. pushing a pointless point and acting like you caught someone in something? hmm. i can see a certain type of scum player doing that, whether because he really thinks he has a point (he doesn't, dwlee is right here) or because he knows that dumb extended fights like that a lot of times will make others skim and assume both are town

for sure, stephen was like actually trying to spam the thread, which is definitely more likely to come from maf

Like, I was definitely on team Dwlee there, like, if you're giving a list of "top 5 scum" there should be some sort of reasoning with it. like, Surye was on the list, when he only had 1 post... his rvs vote... Yeah I was calling surye out as maf, but I'm pretty certain the average person doesn't declare a SR when someone literally only has a vote for "content"

[Andante]

uhhh haven't forgot about yall yet, got busy with stuff, gonna aim to be back here in like 20 hours, no promises, also just skimming I don't have any significant thoughts, so mehh

[Andante]

wavemode feels off to me... like, I had vote overkill, then this.. like "here's some reads, I'll vote here, and say nothing" why? "ehhh just gut"
doesn't feel towny to me

okay

fire and stephen are probably town here

greeting and dwlee are slightly town pinging me

VOTE: 0verki11

why the vote

ah, no real reason tbh. gut?

[Andante]

stephen looks a lot worse off that than dwlee does to me. pushing a pointless point and acting like you caught someone in something? hmm. i can see a certain type of scum player doing that, whether because he really thinks he has a point (he doesn't, dwlee is right here) or because he knows that dumb extended fights like that a lot of times will make others skim and assume both are town

I need you to expand on this. Why would Steven do this as scum? He spent 2 pages trying to get an answer for a mostly "mild" sus from Dwlee. If stephen is mafia, he can really just ignore dwlee's read(or play it off), what is the benefit of doing what stephen did as scum there?

Did you really just ask this? like, "Why would scum just tunnel a weak thing" the benefit is call spamming the thread to make it hard for town to keep up. yes maf also hate spammed threads, but like me looking at 300 posts knowing I'm behind... very overwhelming. this is maf points to Hockey

[Andante]

Page 8 - I TR Stephen over hockey, call me crazy but I think stephen might be town

[Andante]

Andante I like your style

do you want to be my cohost?

Sure!!! I need to finish catching up though, and know nothing about your hosting skills - which I'm sure are top notch!! but I'd love to cohost!

[Andante]

i will not be engaging in a spam war so do not start one please thanks

good post!

[Andante]

Page 8 - I TR Stephen over hockey, call me crazy but I think stephen might be town

are you catching up or did you just think to post about page 8 now as you think it's relevant to your recent read?

I am catching up my friend

[Andante]

I refuse to give anyone the benefit of the doubt even people who haven't posted yet (Don't think I don't see you lurking out there T3)

If you want me to townread you you better bring the goods.

speaking of townreads, who do you TR anyways

absolutely noone has done enough to earn a townread from me.

what does Lebron think?

Almost no chance Scorpious is town

[Andante]

Fire is town. Quite certain there.

@297 no clue, but you with that post feels like you'r trying to send stephen on a tangent with something not related to the game, right as stephen was having good lines

[Andante]

scorpious are you scum this game

I'm just curious

LMAOOO that post like 2 above this, I read it like, yeah... there is no way I tr that lol so good post from wavemode!

[Andante]

AWOOOOOOOO

[Andante]

Early townreads on both Andante and Dwlee for seemingly being the driving forces of the game getting out of RVS so quickly.

heck yeah!! giving me credit for getting out of RVS? I'll take it!! lol I genuinely hate RVS, glad we got out of it so fast!!

[Andante]

Andante I'm gonna need a top five town list for our morning show

you can put yourself in it if you want.

oooh top 5 scum is gonna be way easier lol I can work on town though!! don't have the time to photoshop though!!

[Andante]

Fire is top town so far, I don't think I have 5 yet

[Andante]

Andy this is an opinion talk show

We can make shit up if we don't know

ok sorry!! distracted!!

My reads are like this:

Stephen
Fire
Eyes
Dwlee
Greeting
Frozen
Nero
Wave
Hockey
Scorp

[Andante]

everyone else doesn't have enough for me to rank

[Andante]

uhhhh person I'm voting for?? UNVOTE:
surye just hasn't posted... I'm not SRing someone cause of not posting over 300 osts

[Andante]

stephen looks a lot worse off that than dwlee does to me. pushing a pointless point and acting like you caught someone in something? hmm. i can see a certain type of scum player doing that, whether because he really thinks he has a point (he doesn't, dwlee is right here) or because he knows that dumb extended fights like that a lot of times will make others skim and assume both are town

for sure, stephen was like actually trying to spam the thread, which is definitely more likely to come from maf

Like, I was definitely on team Dwlee there, like, if you're giving a list of "top 5 scum" there should be some sort of reasoning with it. like, Surye was on the list, when he only had 1 post... his rvs vote... Yeah I was calling surye out as maf, but I'm pretty certain the average person doesn't declare a SR when someone literally only has a vote for "content"

Page 8 - I TR Stephen over hockey, call me crazy but I think stephen might be town

Can you explain this progression please?

nahh I'm good

[Andante]

uhhh again, there's not much from overkill right now, wave's vote makes me suspicious to call that slot maf, need more

wavemode feels off to me... like, I had vote overkill, then this.. like "here's some reads, I'll vote here, and say nothing" why? "ehhh just gut"
doesn't feel towny to me

okay

fire and stephen are probably town here

greeting and dwlee are slightly town pinging me

VOTE: 0verki11

why the vote

ah, no real reason tbh. gut?

[Andante]

Stephen had good posts between 162 and page 8? like, not saying town has to be mega towny all the time, town just had to be towny part of the time, to be found

[Andante]

what is the problem? it's not even like I'm voting anyone right now, just giving thoughts

[Andante]

That doesn't scream town motivation.

ah yes.. my bad for playing catchup on 300 posts and skimming to get here

[Andante]

it's not important to tell yall I skimmed, caught up? I gave my thoughts from that. that list? genuinely where my reads are at

[Andante]

umm I can explain my list a little better later for people interested, but I also don't wanna feel forcer to live by those reads so mehhh like a few of the higher up reads are contingent upon having towny content later, got the placing cause of stuff I liked/their interactions with each other

[Andante]

bruh... I caught up. now I'm 100 posts behind again

[Andante]

Do you tend to townread people who townread you?

yeah

[Andante]

Anyways, people I wanna kill rn are Andante

WOAH THERE!!!!

[Andante]

still definitely behind, but uhh I do have thoughts, those thoughts will be explained later not now

[Andante]

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Goddamm, looks like I already found all of t3's partners

im assuming that this line is a joke

Why would you ever think it wasn't

I like this, and I agree with reasoning, town pings

it was an RVS vote on p1. Highly doubt it was serious and hockey town reading Fire for that felt forced.

The "reasoning" for that vote was that Wavemode jumped into the game voting someone, and then dipped. I felt like it was a vote to "particiapte' in RVS, but also be a bit nervous at the same time, which is why I agreed with fire

Why do you want only pressure on 1 person to start the game? Doesnt make sense, a wagon shouldn't be formed on page 1 for the most part imo

Like the first time I read it mafia against the formation of wagons and wanting to stay in RVS. I mean maybe he was actually concerned that Dante wanted an early wagon.

cause mine is the 9th vote, not the 8th vote. everyone knows the 8th vote is the suspicious one

Fire said this and then Hockey said

Like 2nd part of the post(no town pings tho), but the first part of it(bolded) is ???, seems a bit awkward to come out and say that(I think Dwelee said this? and i agree with them)

I thought it was an obvious joke and it was pretty lame to throw shade there.

Meh, the joke went over my head, and I dont even think it was *that* much shade

Anyways, people I wanna kill rn are Andante(explained a bit in 370), but its also thier unwilligness to post content(Im aware they're still catching up but ehhh deosnt sit right with me) and Eyes without a face(they've popped in once in a while, and then made like 1-2 liners, and then dipped again,)
@Greeting, why are you concerned with this wagon,do u TR them(and why)

VOTE: Andante(voting person with lesser wagon)

This is a shit post.

oooh Scorp town? Calling out the person voting me when I just haven't been here. Oh Hockey... you're in for a surprise if you think I'm just LHF that'll go down without a fight... just busy at the moment deadline is still like 6 days away so I'm not in a rush right now, also probably 200 posts behind by the time I'll be here catching up

[Andante]

As for

Andante

, idk how to read her even though we've played several times before.

Easy. I'm town!

[Andante]

Never called you LHF. I said you haven't posted alot of content, and even the content u did post recently is make up a list, and simultaneously dismiss peoples inquires about that list

> haven't posted a lot so I'm voting you
umm I know it's shocking to believe, but whether people post or not really isn't an alignment indicative thing, like, 6 days left for D1 here, I've been busy, like I'll definitely have content, don't worry about that lol. Isn't it better to look at those who have given content thus far and determine if it comes from town or scum? Like, just cause I haven't posted isn't a reason to vote me lol that seems like the easy way out of "hmmm who to vote" like, you're just voting someone who isn't here, how does that do much?


>made a list but....
I made a list did I not? I skimmed, gave yall my thoughts based on how people were interacting, I'm not saying bottom of my list is lock scum or top was lock town, I'm saying in relation to each other that's how I was reading people

when I'm 100+ posts behind yes I approach the game differently to when I'm not behind, and there's still plenty of time left in this day phase so I wouldn't stress over "OMG I NEED AN ANDANTE READ" it's day 1... lmao unless yall plan on ending the day super early, I'll out top SRs sooo not sure why we're worried about me tbh

[Andante]

I dont see how wave is a better candidate then Eyes?

I'm not even caught up, but that list of mine that people dont like says wave is a better candidate for a lim than eyes... later I'll reevaluate stuff though, unless yall want to pressure me for stuff now, then by all means I'll tunnel wave for yall!!

[Andante]

oh look I got more votes!! am I e-1 yet? lol

[Andante]

who are we limming? or like top 2-3 names?

[Andante]

ooh a serious conversation? leggoooo I'm here

[Andante]

If you are generally a person who cares about not getting heat why did you announce that theory about replacements knowing you would gain heat for it (as you mentioned you know that you would)

I am not scared of getting heat for a purpose but it's foolish to spoil your case before you think you can win it

Can I get a link or two to your previously finished town games if possible?

I want to come back to this later on.

Your join date is 2015. Surely you know how to get to my topics from my profile

yeah? But need to manually check games to see in which you were town etc one by one?

I will do that but why was it hard for you to post links of your games in here?

Ok, this argument... does not sound like it results in any town advancing content. so lets focus some efforts and find some mafias!!! Who cares what someone thinks about replacements, who cares when people join, who cares about past games. Past games do not tell us who is mafia THIS game. so let's use THIS game and yeah!!!

[Andante]

Cause to me, obv I'd need to go ISO, at least 1 of yall is maf, cause it's much easier for maf to argue about non game related stuff than anything pertaining to this game

[Andante]

I will do that but why was it hard for you to post links of your games in here?

It's as hard for me as it is for you. It's been a while since I played here and I don't remember the details of my old games.

Why does this help anything? So you waste your time finding links of games that make you look the bast, cause obviously none of us link our best scumgames, or a scum game that mimics our play here, so you get games. then what? 1 person reads a game linked? like, no thanks, if yall are disagreeing so much, just work together on reading people. "I SR Andante" "I don't" then yall talk and bam! so much more helpful than whatever yall are doing right now

[Andante]

do you have any comments about ... like anything else?

nah not at this hour. I looked saw people active, read the current page, and decided it's not worth my time playing catch up right now. and probably going to bed tbh

[Andante]

ooh I have stuff I wanna say, I'll respond to 587 in the next 12 hours!! first thing I do here tomorrow is that!!

[Andante]

LOL sorry you repped into a scum slot Umlaut

[Andante]

Ok, So I've actually had time to look at stuff, and not just come in to react. Eyes's ISO is TERRIBLE I mean, I genuinely liked the "Early TRs on A and B for getting out of RVS so fast" but then it jumps straight into replacement talk?

I'll summarize the ISO as I read it.

Starts off not bad
Replacements are more likely to be maf!! not saying all are maf!! but they're more likely!!!
I don't like "a certain someone's personality"
then the irrelevant talk I didn't like

@Eyes, do you have any game related thoughts?? like, I don't want a read like "well these replacements are scummiest" ok, if you sr only replacements, can you give reasoning?



@Frozen, ok I think I understand why you asked about meta, but in this case for someone with 0 game related content, do you really think meta would help? I really feel like reads with reasonings are better for reading people.. not "how did you play in past games" cause I'd almost guarantee you no town!Eyes games look anything remotely close to this game.


And, I don't have a problem with not voting a SR, I have a problem with not seeing any strong reads in that ISO

Like, I read that.. WHY ARE 2 PEOPLE VOTING ME??? HAVE YOU 2 LOOKED AT EYES???

Eyes ISO is terrible, if it doesn't improve I'm voting there today

@Andate

Cause to me, obv I'd need to go ISO, at least 1 of yall is maf, cause it's much easier for maf to argue about non game related stuff than anything pertaining to this game

He specifically said that he has a scum read on a slot but will not vote on it cause it brings heat to his slot.

because that would have been used against me by scum and ignorant town alike. It would have been portrayed as an OMGUS vote nno more.

earlier in this same game, he said a theory that replacements are more likely scum even though he knew it will bring hit to his slot and he admitted that it probably will.

Well I know this is going to bring a lot of heat my way but I should let you all know I tend to suspect replacements more. I guess it was DGB (if memory serves me right) that once said if we eliminate all replacements town always wins (or something to that effect).

That's why I said I want to see his town games meta, just searching for his early game, never saw him being so conservative about swapping votes so far.

what do you think about this switch in the attidue?

[Andante]

heck yeah. page top!!! leggooo

[Andante]

Alright, looking at Hockey next.

Hocky was one of the ones that hated my "I hate rvs stage and yall are doing it wrong"

Post 27 "Why do you want only pressure on 1 person to start the game? Doesnt make sense, a wagon shouldn't be formed on page 1 for the most part imo"
> I mean like, how is it beneficial to have 1 vote on everyone? that's not pressure. Wagons make pressure. Pressure makes people act, and for the most part, my early "rvs read" was a legit read at the time. Pressuring 1 person is a start, if you get a solid read on 1, you move to another... better than whatever the heck is happening this game
> also in 27, says townpings from fire's RVS vote

Post 39

i actually kinda agree with the hockey suspicion, i scoped out the starts of his games and the early buttering people up doesn't really feel like his town play, which is usually more fluffposting, banter, and discussing mechanics. i only see one scum game in his history but he acted closer to this. it's not an open so there's no mechanics to discuss here

Litreally what lol. I have "buttered up" people(if tring ppl early is what this means) in other games too. In Newbie 2067, I had about 2-3 reads within the first 4 posts(And I was town that game). Another game is Mini Normal 2234(Once Again town) where I townread someone within the first 2 posts so i'm not sure what meta diving u did?

About the bolded, First of all, I don't do it ALOT(yes I do it I will admit), but secondly the game was off of RVS on page 1 so what are u getting at? Am i suppsoed to do the bolded with 3-4 votes, and get even more votes cuz that doesnt seem like a good plan to me?

but still, he feels like more of an outsider. and like he's forcing himself to make a meaningful post with commentary on the game even when not much has happened, so he can look more town and get people off his back. feels like he's doing it because he thinks he has to instead of because it's his honest thoughts.

Ya, I like making meaningpul posts when 2 ppl have said they don't like RVS(and want to move on it quickly). Whats the deal with this? Also, yes I do have to do with it cuz I have 3 votes!! How can you tell that they're not my "honest" thoughts?

> Just pulled the whole post on this cause yeah. So I mean, 12 posts ago you go "townpings for fire's rvs" and it looks like that's what fire's referring to, but not certain I'd call it buttering up. For that comment though, your reaction here feels odd.. like it feels like an overreaction tbh like if someone went "Andante is trying to pocket me" my reaction would be a simple "lol you're funny" not linking games... this early like if it was late game (or now...) I'd understand going "I'm not buttering people up what??" not post 30 though lol
" secondly the game was off of RVS on page 1 so what are u getting at? Am i suppsoed to do the bolded with 3-4 votes, and get even more votes cuz that doesnt seem like a good plan to me?"
> sounds like you're complaining we got out of RVS so fast... like, maf should be more mad than town RVS didn't last long... RVS is an easy excuse for maf to have minimal effort...

I was asked why I SRed 27 and 28, 27 was explained

What is different between fireisredsir and surye in that regard?

I like this question a lot, dk if I would call them town already tho

> and 28 here, this just doesn't feel like it comes from town. Like Dwlee brings up a valid point, and you're just kinda like "yes. good. idk if town" like, your post after this one is all this explanation for why you're not pocketing someone.. I feel like town you would've added more to Dwlee's thought there. idk how to really explain it.

Post 41 - You declare a TR on Dwlee off of 3 posts. In my opinion before 100 posts is too early to be declaring TRs... but whatever

** Post 50 - what you say to Overkill feels odd. I'd understand it if the 2 of you are maf partners, but if you're not partners I'm not sure why you'd even interact with that post tbh like "Whats the point of making this post? Just dont post lol" doesn't feel like the nicest thing to say to someone when we're still in this get to know each other phase. It's like going to the family dinner and telling someone to shut up cause you don't like the story they're talking about. Why does town you tell someone to not post? Like, what if Overkill is new, sometimes something like that is enough to scare people off... just saying

~snip

(I think this is the end on how what i wanted to reply to god reading BBCode makes me want to die)
Doesn't townreading people for reasons that you acknoledge arent very good just confuse town as a whole though? Spreading things that you don't beleive in, particulary when theres really not much going on in terms of game talk.

Are we reading the same post? I said my reasons in the OTHER games werent very good. I do believe that my reasoning(at least from my perspective) regarding post 27 was good for me to make a baseline

> I liked this post from Overkill!!! Hockey's reaction is odd. I'm mainly just quoting it cause I like this from overkill, and I want this in my notes.

god I forgot how to play mafia at all.

Alright, heres how you play mafia. Just tell me your mafia partners and it should be fairly easy!!

> I want to know why Hockey is like only focussing on Overkill here, like, it feels awkward.. Almost like Overkill was in maf chat like "Idk what to do" and Hockey is like "easy. I'll bus you" cause nothing about any of these Hockey +Overkill interactions really look like Hockey considering Overkill town.

dang... I feel bad for not being here... I wish I talked to overkill :/

Post 155 - Umm you go back a LOT of posts (this might be the dwlee stephen 1v1 so ehh) to ask why Greeting is a SR. Not curious why Surye is a SR off of no posts? Or curious for the reason Dwlee is #1? Only curious on the greeting read?

Post 176 - you get really defensive of Greeting... Like, "how dare you sr greeting for an RVS vote!!" uhh Surye is on that list too with ONLY and RVS vote, why is it only greeting from that list we care about?

Post 182 - Stephen comes back with stuff, and you just back off like, you had all this conviction "GREETING SHOULD NOT BE THERE!!!" Stephen refutes your points made, and you're like "oh ok.." like, what? were you just doing that to look towny? maf that went "I know Greeting is town. there shouldn't be a reason to SR greeting there. I'm gonna look real towny!!" then "oh.. I guess yeah greeting doesn't look towny.. I just have TMI.."

Post 183 - you encourage Stephen's gimmick... most likely as a way to distract from your awkward Greeting "read"
Post 185 - then you ask stephen for his TRs... and after this you move on like, ask a question, no follow up. shows you never cared about the answer.

** Post 231 - your post 40 TR on Dwlee comes into question, it feels like you're afraid of stephen tbh which would make yall not partners, but Stephen has a way of making you say stuff that like completely contradicts other stuff you've said lol like here for example. You've been all "heck yeah! Dwlee town!!!" Stephen is like "you sure about that?" and you're like "well umm.. no??"

Post 232 - cause you mention me, so of course I talk about it. You're all "16 seemed like a good clarifcation question and not let Andante pick and choose what they want to see" like, if you actually READ THE POSTS AROUND IT, it was part of my conversation with them.. feels like a really odd thing to be like "Dwlee town for this!!!" that question wasn't clarifying anything.. it feels like you're making stuff up tbh. "20 is towny cuz i mainly agreed with it" 20 is just a post saying something is awkward... Like it feels like you're handing out TRs like I hand out candy on Halloween.. "here's a tr for you! and one for you!!" the question is, why is Dwlee the only one here you're fascinated with, like you keep going "yeah I tr Dwlee!!" what about literally anyone else? cause all these Dwlee posts are reactions to someone else saying something, so it's not even like you're actively making a read on them, you just keep going back to the 3 points you have.

** Post 249 - This feels like a recurring theme, you'll ask someone a question, they answer very well, then you like back off/go yeah I agree BECAUSE...I honestly wanna call this maf indicative like, you ask a question, then feel the need to defend yourself for talking about that person. First Stephen and greeting now this...

Post 370 - Easy you go after me! cause when you start going for anyone around, your "plan kinda back fires" You find a bad read from me and attack it
"??? Out of all things to SR scorpious for, you choose this?!?! Also, I don't like your recent posts cuz you made a list(b4 u finished skimming). I'm assuming that list had some merit and some reasoning behind it, so its weird for u to dismiss peoples questions about those reads."
> like, don't like my posts made before I finished reading... hmm my bad for trying to interact with people in live time. I've been playing marathon games, no attention to this game really. Lose track of time when playing them, like the one night I started playing at 3.. look up, it's already 11pm!!!
Anyways. back to this post, you're all "OMG WHY SR SCORP FOR THIS REASON!!!" but in the same post, cause you know I'm town, you go "I'm sure your list has meaning behind it!!" like, it just feels like you're trying to appear towny. Trying to raise some point that everyone else would agree with, all without stirring the pot too much... cause you are very selective in who you out a SR on/who you interact with lol

Post 371 - You try to win Scorp over to your side, like "see!! I just acknowledged Andantes bad read!! I'll pocket uou now!" that's kinda how that reads tbh

Post 450 - Voted me when I wasn't here. Cause we're trying to look busy without causing any controversy... Oh, Andante isn't here, this is gonna be an easy push... oh my friend... I caught you off guard and that was a fun interaction. Like, you vote me going "people I wanna kill rn are Andante(explained a bit in 370), but its also thier unwilligness to post content(Im aware they're still catching up but ehhh deosnt sit right with me)"
You literally said you want to vote me for not posting. I've been around multiple times going "I am here, catching up!" if you had anything you needed to tell me, literally just go @Andant, just TRY to get my attention.. and maybe.. I'll interact with you. wow what a concept. I literally think you're trying to pick me off cause you know I'm LHF (or uhh was at the time) if you wanted the reason I've been gone so much, you literally could've just asked...it's not like it's a secret




TLDR: yeah this post is super long, left some of the last posts off. There is no way Hockey is town. I don't think I could be convinced this is a town slot, too much about this slot just screams maf, like, VERY concerned about how they look to people, yet have no porblem telling overkill to shut up? like, what? even in a post "SRing me" it's like "this is so bad!!! but like, I think you have a good list.." like, do you want me to not SR you? like, what was that plan.. feel free to tell me why I'm wrong on any of this, but look, those are my reactions, and if I ask you right now on post 605 why Dwlee is town, I bet you go link the 3 posts before post 50 again...

VOTE: Hockey

[Andante]

Rams are a four point favorite but Joey B is my Boy

GO BENGALS!!!

[Andante]

Early townreads on both Andante and Dwlee for seemingly being the driving forces of the game getting out of RVS so quickly.

literally said in the post I just gave.. I liked this post a lot, thought it came from a towny mindset. Also ummm I wonder if maf is simply just Eyes + Hockey, both seem to be glued to the Dwlee townread, Hockey doesn't interact with Eyes... this might just be a dumb argument lol like I think both end up flipping maf. want hockey first though

[Andante]

Hockey isn't towny, and I don't like the claim, I don't think I've ever seen a backup in a normal game. the claim literally just buys time. I'm keeping my vote on Hockey

[Andante]

I'm pretty sure Nero is town here, unsure on Frozen so far

[Andante]

They claimed backup not a pr.

backup becomes the first pr to die... so yes backup is a pr claim

[Andante]

I know what back up is thank you very much and no it's not a PR claim. His claim is half done and is not verifiable in any way. He literally claimed nothing and he had no reason to even claim there.

It's just another goofy thing hockey did in this game which I found consistent with him being goofy overall

doesn't mean he is a townread of mine, I don't find his claim alarming. but if someone scumreads the slot and is not pushing it just cause of that claim, they are just distancing from the wagon

I SRed Hockey before the claim and after the claim

[Andante]

OK I skimmed those spoilers as I'm never good at comprehending wallposts especially when they are commenting on previous stuff. I can't even tell if Umlaut already knew what's next and is do0ing the catch up with the intention to get to a certain stance or if he was honest and didn't take a peak. I'll call him null for now.

So..

the worst
Frozen
Stephen
Umlaut
Nero
Dwlee

Now off to the other 6 of which I think Andante, fire and Greeting are showing various shades of green. Hockey though takes the lead spot with the claim which I obviously am buying so wave and scorpious are my main 2 suspects here.

Combining both lists

Hockey
the worst
Frozen-Andante-Greeting
fire
Stephen
Umlaut
scorpious
wave
Nero
Dwlee


Disclaimer: I have not tried to double/treble ISO anyone against anyone else, meaning that these are separate reads on single slots and not necessarily connected with each other. I think I'll ISO the living suspects against the flipped ones (if they flip red) to see if they could be teammates, but that's me being too hopeful of being alive to do it so take it with a twist of lemon and a grain of salt

Hockey is your top TR here?

[Andante]

uh oh.. like 1000 posts.. what if I just coasted and sheeped a TR?

[Andante]

And if Scorpious flips red wave is cleared in my PoV. Just a heads up (also a reminder of how I work)

Why are you saying someone is clear before a flip? What makes you super confident that wave is lock town before scorp is even flipped? Like, what if scorp doesnt flip red, than what happens to that read?

[Andante]

Now really gotta go before I end up single..

LMAOOOO fam, if I vote you out, I'm not doing it tonight... and you definitely don't have to be here 24/7 lol real life is more important!!

[Andante]

Has there ever been a normal without day chat? I didn't know daychat to be a questionable thing...

[Andante]

~ it takes (100% of living players + 1) votes to yeet the moderator.

lol

[Andante]

~ any and all private topics will be open at all times.

that answers yalls daychat question...

[Andante]

And if Scorpious flips red wave is cleared in my PoV. Just a heads up (also a reminder of how I work)

Why are you saying someone is clear before a flip? What makes you super confident that wave is lock town before scorp is even flipped? Like, what if scorp doesnt flip red, than what happens to that read?

Please click for a proper answer

VOTE: Eyes

[Andante]

saying that wave is clear to him if scorp flips red says nothing about a read on wave before the flip. read the post again

I read the post, and I hate reads like "well X is locktown if Y is red" like, no.. you flip the person then you look back for people spewed town by that, you don't make the leap before a flip happens. Like, this whole train of thought relies on X flipping red. what if X doesn't flip red? it's not a thought process I support right now

[Andante]

obviously if X doesn't flip red then the read doesn't ever come into effect. he isn't townreading wave right now. it's a conditional

Ok but like, how does a conditional read help us? I can sit here going "IF STEPHEN FLIPS MAF DWLEE IS TOWN!!!" all day long. very low effort. I mean, I think it's universally understood scum!stephen doesnt start with a 2 page push on a partner. but that read tells me nothing about dwlee. if stephen flips town, my conditional read is useless. and thus, no point in even bringing it up

[Andante]

now if I were to sit here going "I tr dwlee for this..." much more helpful than just going "well.. my reads are conditional"

[Andante]

well my issue is that we're at 1000 posts and it's day 1...

[Andante]

AND most of the posts are giant wall posts.. not easy to read

[Andante]

hockey claimed backup so people decided to keep hockey

[Andante]

I gave up reading the game, just interacting in live time/ISOing

[Andante]

and then Eyes claimed VT to save hockey or something?

[Andante]

what???

yes?

[Andante]

I mean, I half followed what was happening there with the claims, I know you claimed at e-2 and Eyes jumped in like "HEY IM A VT!"

[Andante]

why would that make him more likely to be town? claiming VT just tells maf to not kill you. there was no reason to claim

[Andante]

Like, why doesn't town take the road of "don't yeet a PR day 1!!" and instead you're saying town goes "Hey I'm a VT!!" for no reason?

[Andante]

cause the least towny thing a VT can do really, is claim VT. VTs should be trying to get killed at night so PRs live

[Andante]

cause the least towny thing a VT can do really, is claim VT. VTs should be trying to get killed at night so PRs live

Disagree with this, but lets agree to disagree

so you're saying we should ask everyone who is a VT to just claim now? or are you saying you'd rather see PRs die than VTs?

[Andante]

why would that make him more likely to be town? claiming VT just tells maf to not kill you. there was no reason to claim

no reason to claim, but was at E-2 to E-3, mmph yeah. referring to 969, lets look at it from the other perspective too. What mafia says "Hey Im a VT!!" when thier wagon is not set in stone just yet

No reason to claim. correct! and ESPECIALLY with a VT claim... so every wagon we get to e-3 should claim?? no.. I don't think we're ever agreeing on it being towny to claim VT like that...


What maf says that? we're really doing this? maf will do all sorts of things just to be like "why would maf do that" wagon was far from set in stone... no reason to claim there if actually town... more often than not, maf will claim VT (in general) to look townier, and people go "well surely if maf, they wouldn't claim VT here" I don't buy that Eyes is legit a VT. Feels more like maf just discussed claims in the PT and someone said eyes will be vt

[Andante]

no, Im not saying all VTs should claim rn, its a case by case thing, in eyes case it was good for him to claim VT imo, since now he looks more town to me, and the mroe town reads town gets, the faster we can get to scum

You tr the fact eyes claimed VT? townier cause of the VT claim... it makes the MOST sense for the scum with the most sus to claim vt.... by claiming VT eyes ensures they never die...

[Andante]

this is feeling like stephen v dwlee... I'm not going in circles, I'm off to bed. have a good rest of your night! I just don't like this strong defense for a vt claim....

[Andante]

Now really gotta go before I end up single..

Saw Scorpious getting on my case for being inactive yesterday. If only I had said in advance that I would be busy that day with RL things.

I just thought these 2 posts together were funny. that is all. XD

[Andante]

Doesn't look like Andante ever answered my question about why Nero is town.

Not gonna lie, probably didn't see it, and if this is in regards to the list I posted early, 6/9 is not calling someone town lol

[Andante]

idk what my read on Nero is right now actually, I'll read him later probably. I told yall. plan for D1: coast by, let whoever who has strong thoughts lead. and I follow. 1000 posts of wallposts is not the most fun to read through

[Andante]

lol yall are just funny tbh, like, these massive 1v1 cases... what is that actually doing to find maf? like if you think about it, if you spend all your effort tunneling someone, you'll get locked into "They must be scum!!" and like, you'll refuse to TR them.. so then you spend page after page making wallposts on why that person is maf, so then you have town like me. Who look at the thread, and go "ok nah.. not jumping into that" so then town like me just kinda ignore the thread, get super behind, and at the end of deadline, we'll just end up random voting... like, all these 1v1s are just so weird to me, like, why so many!!! why not just work together on reads? like if I bus my partner for you to tr me.. maf gone. easy!!! not 1000 posts of "meta this, meta says you maf!" nonsense

[Andante]

It shuts people out..

IT REALLY DOES!!! like, there is plenty of content I missed, cause I show up to wall posts from 3 people like "yeah no thanks... really don't care to read this" and I know I can't be alone... like, Sure at least 1 maf is likely coasting by as well, but a lot of town are most likely just chillin.. like, idk, I'm just getting over it and not afraid to speak up about it, cause like 1100 posts here.... and what was even said?? 2 claims? that's about it...

[Andante]

Is anyone reading any of this?

no I skip right over it lol

[Andante]

Is anyone reading any of this?

no I skip right over it lol

1 paragraph might be ok to read… but like I don’t even read textbooks for classes, I’m not reading the novel of Frozen’s thoughts… when I don’t like a lot of what’s going on this game, and it’s already impossible enough to read people…

[Andante]

What am I missing???

Why is everyone being so ok with this slot(Umlaut) doing nothing? I swear if it gets to the point where people want to lim it,I'm looking at everyone that questioned me for bringing it up.

This is literally the fist time I've seen a lot get so much leeway 7 days into a game with 8 posts.

My simple answer? as a town, i’m too discouraged by wall post after wall post to care… Umlaut? I don’t think I’ve even read anything game related from then, maybe saw 1 post… I can ISO later, but too many people have terrible ISOs so mehh

I know more than just Umlaut are coasting by in my books

[Andante]

I'm playing the game and am hunting scum. Spending my time - by literal meaning here digging things out and pointing them out in as much as a comprehensive manner I can share my thoughts.

You are being rude to me for disregarding whatever I said like this. I'm taking my time respecting you all to explain myself over and over as questions come my way. The least you can do is to read or to engage in your own way with me about it. If you don't like my attitude for solving the game, that's literally your own problem.

notice I never said “STOP DOING IT!!” just said the 3-4 of yall are the reason I can’t get reads this game like I normally do, if this is how you play? ok! carry on!! just everytime around it’s people using wallposts to talk in circles… and I see no point, I really don’t mean for it to be taken as rude!!

[Andante]

lol I'm glad I read this post, yeah I think I'm on the same page as Frozen.. yall had like 200 posts discussing replacements or whatever. we've moved on.. why even try to bring it back up? Scorp might be maf.. which means I really need to piece together my gut reads, cause gut read was selling me on Scorp maf

Umlaut had yet to post anything meaningful at the time you asked this so I'm going to take a little break to catch up and come back to you about the slot.

This is the only thing I can find about eye about umalut

literally what are you talking about

i never said Eye called him out . Eye had a therory of reps being scum, and I called him out for it,now I think he might be right.

dude that theory is trash statistically and logically.

even eye himself claimed he said that to reaction test.

like why would you even mention that and ship that to even vote a replace in for that! It's absurd coming from any town, especially you who looked way more logical with their earlier analysis. discussing why someone is replaced out is pure wifom and I can't believe you really have the theory as one of your reasons for this vote!

[Andante]

Scorpius, isn't umlaut doing proportionally plenty? Relative to other people? I at least think Umlaut has posted more content than I have.

Also, I think you're coasting too much. I know town you makes reads/whatnot, I'd love to see some more of that. Maybe Stephen was right....

[Andante]

fine . I'll drop it.. I made my point

Like, for me it's like, I thought we were on the same page, in regards to all the back and forth wall posts, but this was like, idk, it doesn't seem we are... Like, yes. mafia absolutely hates these wall posts/whatnot, I just find it difficult to keep up.. but like I'm also not encouraging back any forth, it feels like you saying that was trying to continue it... to just flood the game with more of that talk, since it had finally ended...

Idk, I'm on to you Scorpious....

[Andante]

such a shame I have class and have to abandon this thought process for now...

[Andante]

Scorpius, isn't umlaut doing proportionally plenty? Relative to other people? I at least think Umlaut has posted more content than I have.

Also, I think you're coasting too much. I know town you makes reads/whatnot, I'd love to see some more of that. Maybe Stephen was right....

Touché

I'm also on to you... Scorpius + Dwlee team?

[Andante]

Scorpius, isn't umlaut doing proportionally plenty? Relative to other people? I at least think Umlaut has posted more content than I have.

Also, I think you're coasting too much. I know town you makes reads/whatnot, I'd love to see some more of that. Maybe Stephen was right....

Have you ever played with DW?

pedit-weird..

yeah I have, I've played with like most of this table before

[Andante]

bored VT

wait, I just had the most random realization about this post

When did you ever see me play VT?

lmaooo the maf partners interacting for distance.... ok gotta go for real

[Andante]

I only vigged one town ;-;

“only 1…”

lol imagine vigging me…

[Andante]

I'm just going to give up on trying to catch up with this game

easy solution. only read the current page, and skim anythink more than a few sentences... lots of wall posts? just control F your name. seems to be working well!!!

[Andante]

also, @Stephen why are u voting Nero? Is it cuz Frozen has used the same argument 10 times to prove her point(not that i think this is inherently scummy), but im cirous

Let me be absolutely frank about why I am voting Nero.

If I have to read another Frozen Angel post about how Nero is lockscum I will literally stab my own eyes out.

I'll join nero wagon!
VOTE: Nero

[Andante]

imo if anything a lim on Nero would encourage there to be more wallposts

and if nero is in fact scum, that is ok!!!

[Andante]

oh I just realized, nero is e-1 lol

[Andante]

tbh I like the people on this nero wagon, so I think it flips red

[Andante]

VOTE: Nero Cain

Sure whatever

lets not

12/10 defense...

INTENT TO HAMMER!!!

has nero even claimed?

[Andante]

the correct answer would be "Nero I'm hammering you. please claim"

[Andante]

the correct answer would be "Nero I'm hammering you. please claim"

usually thats what the intent post is for,but fair..

And usually people don't yell claims out at e-2 or e-3 (hockey)
and people don't randomly claim (eyes)

so if you make it clear you're waiting on a claim before hammering.... someone won't randomly hammer

[Andante]

This wagon actually reeks wow

nahh good wagon. I TR the people on it

[Andante]

UNVOTE: ok yall are gonna hammer the e-1 before nero is back, I'd at least like to give nero a chance

[Andante]

This wagon actually reeks wow

nahh good wagon. I TR the people on it

do you TR greeting and scorpious?

scorp isn't on it, and greeting seemed fine. I also agree with trusting in Frozen here. Frozen is very passionate about this read, and I think, since frozen has put in by far the most work here, I go with Frozen

[Andante]

bad duck!!!

[Andante]

andante joining the wagon is actually pinging the hell out of me

sorry for trusting in your read...

[Andante]

UNVOTE: ok yall are gonna hammer the e-1 before nero is back, I'd at least like to give nero a chance

you put him on L-1,then claimed not to know...

hmmmm

I didn't know it was e-1... finally saw a vc and noticed.. why are you acting like I knew??

VOTE: Scorp

[Andante]

I'm pretty sure Nero is town here, unsure on Frozen so far

what changed from this andante?

cause Nero was reminding me of a Nero I played with before in a huge game, actually never checked the alignment there lol

[Andante]

yeah no, nero was town there, I'm sheeping Frozen cause why not?

[Andante]

I don't trust Scorp!!!

[Andante]

yeah no, nero was town there, I'm sheeping Frozen cause why not?

I think you thinking he's town is a rad reason why not

hahaha see yeah idk, maybe it ends some of the wall posts? gut says I want scorp over nero though...

[Andante]

I mean if you really want me to I'll hammer Nero without a claim Frozen

[Andante]

I'm pretty sure Nero is town here, unsure on Frozen so far

what changed from this andante?

cause Nero was reminding me of a Nero I played with before in a huge game, actually never checked the alignment there lol

what reminded u of that game?

only other game I've seen Nero, and the way Nero is, is very memorable tbh

[Andante]

claim sclaim the mod is right there we might as well get a flip

I missed my chance...

[Andante]

ok how sure are you that nero is scum again

I'm fairly certain nero isn't scum... not gonna lie there

[Andante]

@Andante

what changed your read on my slot? You didn't trust me before. explain why you got from "I have nero as a town read and don't know what FA is" to "I'm sheeping FA on this read to vote nero"

it's real easy. if you're deadset on town after town, I just vote you out, you putting in all this time/effort, I have no problem sheeping, it's not like I'm really reading the game

[Andante]

ok how sure are you that nero is scum again

I'm fairly certain nero isn't scum... not gonna lie there

What the hell

what?

[Andante]

also im pretty sure FA's whole shtick is putting in tons of effort as both alignments and getting townread as scum for it, so y'all better not be townreading solely off that.

her reaction to how bad this wagon is makes me think her being town is more likely though

umm this is making me feel like she knows it's town, and is trying to pin it on one of us sheeping her

[Andante]

I'm pretty sure Nero is town here, unsure on Frozen so far

what changed from this andante?

cause Nero was reminding me of a Nero I played with before in a huge game, actually never checked the alignment there lol

what reminded u of that game?

only other game I've seen Nero, and the way Nero is, is very memorable tbh

you town read nero because he's nero?

What do you sr about nero?

[Andante]

omfg,

are you serious FA?

What the hell do you think about what andante just did? and why did you vote nero after pages of arguing how you don't see what I see about nero right after adante voted him and took back her vote?

Cause Scorpious is your maf partner lol

[Andante]

I'm pretty sure Nero is town here, unsure on Frozen so far

what changed from this andante?

cause Nero was reminding me of a Nero I played with before in a huge game, actually never checked the alignment there lol

what reminded u of that game?

only other game I've seen Nero, and the way Nero is, is very memorable tbh

you town read nero because he's nero?

What do you sr about nero?

I have almost no read on nero
Obviously neither do you so why are you pretending to? :p

Very interesting.... What reads do you have then?

[Andante]

You and Adante look scummy as hell right now

nah nah nah don't bring me into this... this isn't a "well the 2 of us are going down so we're bringing andante down with us!!" type thing

[Andante]

omfg,

are you serious FA?

What the hell do you think about what andante just did? and why did you vote nero after pages of arguing how you don't see what I see about nero right after adante voted him and took back her vote?

Cause Scorpious is your maf partner lol

now its me? who's next?

I've been SRing you... how is that new news?

[Andante]

please snip the pyramids it's not that hard

nahh I'm good. this game is C H A O S!!

[Andante]

me: outs a tr on nero post 700

Frozen: HOW DARE YOU VOTE NERO WHILE STILL TRING NERO!!! - post 1200

[Andante]

me: outs a tr on nero post 700

Frozen: HOW DARE YOU VOTE NERO WHILE STILL TRING NERO!!! - post 1200

so you don't town read Nero anymore?

I do. yes. nero town.

[Andante]

me: outs a tr on nero post 700

Frozen: HOW DARE YOU VOTE NERO WHILE STILL TRING NERO!!! - post 1200

Do you town read him or not?

yes. nero town.

[Andante]

You said that post about how you said you town read him in post 700 like me saying in post-1200 you're read is not changed is meaningful somehow?

oh yeah right!! good point. Like, I didn't realize I was throwing Nero on e-1, I liked what stephen said about just sheeping you, and I read that like, true I mean, I don't have a solid sr, if frozen does, sure I'll sheep!! Scorp SR has only really become a recent thing

[Andante]

I'd hate to dissapoint you, but I'm definitely town lol

[Andante]

andante's blatant disregard for the life of one of her townreads is a thing right? this isn't a mirage?

I didn't think Nero was actually dying... why do you think I unvoted after realizing e-1

[Andante]

Like fuck it, lets assume you litteraly wanted to sheep stephen or me or whoever about nero

Why would you post 1234 if your read on nero never changed

cause idk what my thoughts are this game...

[Andante]

yall keep referring to post 700 and I'm like, I HAVEN'T READ ANYTHING BETWEEN 700 AND 1100...

[Andante]

andante's blatant disregard for the life of one of her townreads is a thing right? this isn't a mirage?

I didn't think Nero was actually dying... why do you think I unvoted after realizing e-1

wrong again, i stated intent and you left it there a loong time.

?? I didn't see it

[Andante]

I'm literally town and idk what to do here...

[Andante]

Like fuck it, lets assume you litteraly wanted to sheep stephen or me or whoever about nero

Why would you post 1234 if your read on nero never changed

cause idk what my thoughts are this game...

what the fuck

what's the question?

[Andante]

while reading normal game 2257 (conveniently has a lot of this player list in it), i learned that andante does really weird and impulsive things as town. check out the end of day 1 there if you want to see. the level of inconsistency in her understanding of her own reads here feels past that, though

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=88224

there's maf me in a normal

[Andante]

oh I just realized, nero is e-1 lol

UNVOTE: ok yall are gonna hammer the e-1 before nero is back, I'd at least like to give nero a chance

You DID NOT unvote the second you realized it.

I went to ISO nero in between those? I don't see the issue

[Andante]

while reading normal game 2257 (conveniently has a lot of this player list in it), i learned that andante does really weird and impulsive things as town. check out the end of day 1 there if you want to see. the level of inconsistency in her understanding of her own reads here feels past that, though

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=88224

there's maf me in a normal

Also if you want my word on how I play (lol who'd trust it..)
Town: usually much more random, giant leaps from person to person, never afraid to engage in conversation, tend to be SRed till late game
Maf: My maf game is generally good... I tend to be TRed out of the gate, more cautious in interactions, and care a lot more about how I look in thread.

At least, that's how I think the differences are, most of this table has seen town me

[Andante]

She is so inconsistent and has literally no thought process.

I. HAVEN'T. READ. THE. GAME.

[Andante]

She doesn't town read nero at all

I do though...

[Andante]

She doesn't town read nero at all

I do though...

You left him on L-1!!!

If you're gonna iso him it should be YOU unvoting not FA..

I unvoted before FA, what are you even talking about?

[Andante]

Frozen, you sr me over Scorpious??

[Andante]

Scorp... it sounds like you're just tunneling me to tunnel me.. you know Frozen SRs us both, and you feel like scum trying to be all "ah yes!! andante scummy!! get her!!"

[Andante]

BUT...

If you intended to ISO him, After intent is declared, Why would you leave the vote there? wouldn't it be "unvote, i wanna iso one last timee"

why does it matter? it's how I work?? either before or after I vote I'll read??

[Andante]

and I also scumread scorpious

his thought process doesn't also make any sense to me but I need to reread then when I'm not awake only by coffee

This is a literal shit show and I find it so interesting that this happened right when Nero wagon got tension and never for the other 2 wagons.

Scorp maf! glad we're on the same page!!!

[Andante]

Scorp... it sounds like you're just tunneling me to tunnel me.. you know Frozen SRs us both, and you feel like scum trying to be all "ah yes!! andante scummy!! get her!!"

dude,I get sum read by everyone every game, tell me something I don't know.

If I wanted to get you, I wouldnt stil be want nero gone..

I mean, you're not trying to not get SRed at all.. you're trying to join Frozen in pushing me for just being me.. Frozen backs off? so do you...

[Andante]

Since where did you want nero gone scorp?

Since I put Nero on e-1 and called Scorp out for not actually asking for nero's claim... since that exact moment!! Scorp probably can't give a single reason for nero scum either right now..

[Andante]

feels more like she's forgetting what her thoughts and reads are supposed to be

ok no. I keep forgetting what my actual thoughts are cause yall asked me for a list, I wrote that down, gave that, and the way people ask for stuff, I just genuinely don't remember that stuff. Reads I make on my own time, I remember those. Like I don't tr Eyes AT ALL. Hockey's claim is so bad.. Scorp is also getting on their level. but look, none of my thoughts matter cause no one else is thinking that way, so why listen to me?

[Andante]

Since where did you want nero gone scorp?

Since I put Nero on e-1 and called Scorp out for not actually asking for nero's claim... since that exact moment!! Scorp probably can't give a single reason for nero scum either right now..

ok, on other sites intention to hammer is essentialy "claim now or die". I could have just quickhammered,would you have preferred that?

probably, so then day can be over

[Andante]

whelp. I am even more confused than before any of this... soooo rip

[Andante]

Since where did you want nero gone scorp?

Since I put Nero on e-1 and called Scorp out for not actually asking for nero's claim... since that exact moment!! Scorp probably can't give a single reason for nero scum either right now..

ok, on other sites intention to hammer is essentialy "claim now or die". I could have just quickhammered,would you have preferred that?

probably, so then day can be over

you'd prefer I quick hammered but you are critiquing my "not asking for a claim" etiquette?

yeah what's the issue there?

[Andante]

You can't just forget what you think and its not about not reading the game

lol you uhh really can...

[Andante]

I like her take about a possible scorp scum tunneling her after that shit show

glad I've provided something of content this game....

[Andante]

feels more like she's forgetting what her thoughts and reads are supposed to be

ok no. I keep forgetting what my actual thoughts are cause yall asked me for a list, I wrote that down, gave that, and the way people ask for stuff, I just genuinely don't remember that stuff. Reads I make on my own time, I remember those. Like I don't tr Eyes AT ALL. Hockey's claim is so bad.. Scorp is also getting on their level. but look, none of my thoughts matter cause no one else is thinking that way, so why listen to me?

ok how sure are you that nero is scum again

I'm fairly certain nero isn't scum... not gonna lie there

me: outs a tr on nero post 700

Frozen: HOW DARE YOU VOTE NERO WHILE STILL TRING NERO!!! - post 1200

How could you forget post 1211 when making 1234? It wasn't even 5 minutes since then?!!!

How does 1234 mean I forget I TR nero? you can vote TRs... lol we're getting no where on this point.. just saying... I was referring to how we're going back to something I said 500 posts ago.... like how is that relevant?

[Andante]

tbh my bottom 3 from that early list are probably actually maf...

nero, hockey, scorp

[Andante]

tbh my bottom 3 from that early list are probably actually maf...

nero, hockey, scorp

***WAVE NOT NERO lmaooo yall must hate me...

WAVE, HOCKEY, SCORP

[Andante]

feels more like she's forgetting what her thoughts and reads are supposed to be

ok no. I keep forgetting what my actual thoughts are cause yall asked me for a list, I wrote that down, gave that, and the way people ask for stuff, I just genuinely don't remember that stuff. Reads I make on my own time, I remember those. Like I don't tr Eyes AT ALL. Hockey's claim is so bad.. Scorp is also getting on their level. but look, none of my thoughts matter cause no one else is thinking that way, so why listen to me?

ok, one example is post 1234, as FA called out. making that post makes no sense coming from a perspective of still townreading Nero. another example is you scumread scorp earlier in the game to the point where you said "almost no chance" that he's town, and then just recently you said your scumread on him was a recent thing.

I was TRing scorp earlier today when we had this moment of like agreement, so yeah this sr is a new thing

[Andante]

I'm not insulting your intelligence... I see what you're saying. I'm trying to remember my exact thought process, and I can't. I probably misinterpreted the thing I was resonding to

yall post too much

that's @Frozen

[Andante]

feels more like she's forgetting what her thoughts and reads are supposed to be

ok no. I keep forgetting what my actual thoughts are cause yall asked me for a list, I wrote that down, gave that, and the way people ask for stuff, I just genuinely don't remember that stuff. Reads I make on my own time, I remember those. Like I don't tr Eyes AT ALL. Hockey's claim is so bad.. Scorp is also getting on their level. but look, none of my thoughts matter cause no one else is thinking that way, so why listen to me?

ok, one example is post 1234, as FA called out. making that post makes no sense coming from a perspective of still townreading Nero. another example is you scumread scorp earlier in the game to the point where you said "almost no chance" that he's town, and then just recently you said your scumread on him was a recent thing.

I was TRing scorp earlier today when we had this moment of like agreement, so yeah this sr is a new thing

Do you tend to townread people who townread you?

yeah

So all I gotta do is TR you and we're good?

lmao usually yeah, but the way you went after me when Frozen gave the slightest hint of "get andan!!!" nah you're not town fam

[Andante]

feels more like she's forgetting what her thoughts and reads are supposed to be

ok no. I keep forgetting what my actual thoughts are cause yall asked me for a list, I wrote that down, gave that, and the way people ask for stuff, I just genuinely don't remember that stuff. Reads I make on my own time, I remember those. Like I don't tr Eyes AT ALL. Hockey's claim is so bad.. Scorp is also getting on their level. but look, none of my thoughts matter cause no one else is thinking that way, so why listen to me?

ok, one example is post 1234, as FA called out. making that post makes no sense coming from a perspective of still townreading Nero. another example is you scumread scorp earlier in the game to the point where you said "almost no chance" that he's town, and then just recently you said your scumread on him was a recent thing.

I was TRing scorp earlier today when we had this moment of like agreement, so yeah this sr is a new thing

Do you tend to townread people who townread you?

yeah

So all I gotta do is TR you and we're good?

lmao usually yeah, but the way you went after me when Frozen gave the slightest hint of "get andan!!!" nah you're not town fam

dude, how are you reacting to me if I put somone on L-1,say i didnt realize it, leave it,and then claim I left it at L-1 while I iso'd that person, be real.

That wasn't the thought process though? I voted. left. came back. "Oh it's e-1!" quick ISO... then unvote

[Andante]

Ok look, I'm clearly not being helpful here. yall just continue doing whatever. I'll return later
UNVOTE:

[Andante]

what did you see when You ISOed Nero?

I'll go into that when I'm back, cause clearly I need a break right now

[Andante]

What's the record for largest amount of posts on Day 1 in a Mini Normal? We might be heading towards that.

What kind of record are we thinking about setting? 5k posts day 1?

[Andante]

Nero Cain is here to vote scum but then not get listened to

Alright, so on the Nero is not scum case. First up we have post 1. I don't think scum!Nero enters a game like this... could be wrong, but just saying

[Andante]

ive been pretty busy today

Busy with maf plans so soon?

VOTE: 0verki11

this is dumb, back on hockey

vote:hockeyfan

I also liked this, like, there was no need for anyone to interact with my lol vote, but Nero did like "yeah no, go to my sr"

[Andante]

Scorps 203 is a bit dumb. It was a meaningless page 1 vote and you calling it out is stupid. There's nothing "bad" about it. It's null. Also complaining about his 157 was whack. It's not all that dissimilar from Andante's 161. I thought this post was overly nitpicky but decent q at the end. No wonder this guy got ran up in our last game.

also I don't tr Hockey for realz 27,28 come from maf not town

why

this is a bad response

both these posts are kinda bad tbh

At first, I was like "yeah I agree with you" but upon further reflection...naw. Even though I think Hockey is scum both alignments will ask why they are being scum read. Maybe you could argue that Stephens isn't the greatest since asking for clarification on why they (Hockey) were being scum read is just...generic and not really "bad" but not great either.

The reads did have reasoning behind them.

but didn't he only explain like one read though? Like I can get behind your reasoning for town reading the slot and I guess you could say that logic dictates that he did have reasoning to call those 5 slots scummy (unless you want to argue that he threw out 5 randos to see who bites) but I only remember him talking about Greeting but Ima reread that convo when I get done catching up.

now, where were you all those times I got ran up for not explaining my scumreads?

I dont think DW was pissed I think he genuinely was curious.

No your list sucks and so you die

sounds kinda angry there.

this was the 2nd post after an OMGUS/Venge vote. Where are you getting that DW was more curious than pissed?

I don’t think anyone should be taking anything AI out of that entire exchange based on the ridiculousness of it all.

I'll dedicate a longer post to this when I'm not as tired but I don't feel like it was really all that "ridiculous". I mean maybe I'm misinterpreting here when you, wave and Hockey say there's nothing AI there to mean its null behavior and you just can't decide what alignment(s) it comes from but its not like its a contentless fluffpost.

I'm pretty confident Scorp's 203 is exactly the reason I threw him bottom of my list, like it's just quoting a bunch and saying a sentence, not good. Nero called it out? good! Other thoughts feel like they stem from town, like it's calling out 2 people going "too many posts" but instead of JUST THAT being Nero's post, Nero adds a bunch more. I love the rest of the post, reads as town to me

[Andante]

Do I have to go on? Like, Nero is town...

[Andante]

So those yall voting Nero, I question you, why? what's the reason?

[Andante]

i'll concede that obviously you're also looking at andante, but to be completely blunt, you're not really doing anything to advance that :p

What? Hockey is looking at me?

[Andante]

any wagon "if we can get enough" sounds sus....

[Andante]

I mean like, if you can't get enough, it means people don't sr the person, so if you actually want people on the wagon, you need something convincing. something more than "if we can get enough"

[Andante]

Ok, I'll ask it this way, Why should I vote Greeting?

[Andante]

I haven't seen any compelling reason to vote Greeting. it's nothing with "maf won't vote their partner" it's just, no one SRs Greeting for an actual reason?

[Andante]

we already have 6 who've clearly indicated they are willing to vote scorp within worst wavemode fire frozen andante eyes. and greeting said they "wouldn't rule it out"

and afaik everyone else has him at null at best

so the only reason to be unvoting scorp at this point is if you don't want him eliminated

cuz he's essentially as good as dead once people come back online

You make it sound like it's deadline and we have to consolidate on a wagon... right now

[Andante]

we still have 3 days 7 hours and 45 minuts... no rush

[Andante]

I've seen my name a lot!!! andante andante andante!!!!

[Andante]

Hockey is probably maf if they refuse to look at anyone other than me here. ok uhh andante is gonna be gone again... class then stupid class meeting... I hate my group there, 0/10 would recommend. I see we're going for a 100 page day 1... go team! uhhhh yeah I'll be back later maybe... read wise, idk, if I'm being completely honest, I just really don't know...

[Andante]

no not voting greeting! keeping my vote on no one while I'm super busy!! yall cant use me to speed wagon anyone

[Andante]

and if the case against greeting is still "lets find 7 votes!!" I'm not interested

[Andante]

I mean, I do agree that frozen's (and I guess mine too) back and forth has sorta killed the game but I don't think that's a very good reason to just vote out town and people using it as a reason look mighty bad.

mehh too many people coasting is killing it tbh (sure throw me in the coasters) like, half the game is doing bare minimum rn and the other half is death tunneling

[Andante]

nah jumping on a wagon right away p much always looks opportunistic and makes the people doing it look worse. if he had voted scorp instead you would have said that he looked scummy for that too, you can't have both

Not gonna lie Nero... there is a point here, like, jumping on the Greeting wagon just looks like self preservation, like "oh? Greeting wagon better than me? yes!" I did notice that though

[Andante]

greeting was literally only called out for not being around... that's how these easy pushes work... "too much pressure is going towards maf? distract with this!!!"

[Andante]

consistency isn't a town tell lol

and my lack of consistency makes me town!!! gg heard it here first folks!!

[Andante]

and if the case against greeting is still "lets find 7 votes!!" I'm not interested

Just a note on that that is literally what Wave said about me..

the reason people are voting you? heck no. that entire nero e-1 thing you just screamed "im maf!!"

[Andante]

nah jumping on a wagon right away p much always looks opportunistic and makes the people doing it look worse. if he had voted scorp instead you would have said that he looked scummy for that too, you can't have both

Not gonna lie Nero... there is a point here, like, jumping on the Greeting wagon just looks like self preservation, like "oh? Greeting wagon better than me? yes!" I did notice that though

I have to jump somewhere. And I was pushing a harder wagon than Scorp. I'd get blamed for being opportunistic there too.

Greeting wagon is harder than a scorp wagon?

[Andante]

I literally would suspect him way less for this if he would even mention andante and scorp weird act on his wagon. In his ISO he has 0 reference to andante. only related interactions where when he jumped in and asked umlat why he doesn't townr read nero when he asked andante why she is townreading him
and once other time when he literally excluded her from his wide scumread announcement on slots not voting the main wagons.

He literally made not even a mention of that weird fiasco on his e-1 vote it and went after greeting

Was he really analyzing the votes against him when he found greeting scummy or was he just budding you?

or is it just the case where you ignore people you think are town? I do that all the time