Mini Normal 2262: NbITGBSMoD [game over]

[Stephen A Smith]

this shit about to get real

[Stephen A Smith]

VOTE: Dwlee

This is number one on my list right now.

Scorpius is number two.

[Stephen A Smith]

Dwlee earning his #1 spot.

My list is fluid

You too can be great.

[Stephen A Smith]

Dwlee earning their #1 spot.

Fix'ed

[Stephen A Smith]

kneejerk omgus reaction probably comes from scum caught with their pants down and feeling real heat.

[Stephen A Smith]

Let's pretend everything you just said is true.

Why does that make me scum?

[Stephen A Smith]

explain why it makes me scum

[Stephen A Smith]

you said I replaced in and threw a random list at the thread on page three and this makes me scum

explain your train of thought

how do you get from random list to scumbag

[Stephen A Smith]

this shouldn't be hard for you, you just had this thought 10 minutes ago

[Stephen A Smith]

You not about to stand there pretending you have the short term memory of a goldfish on me are you?

[Stephen A Smith]

if it's self evident why can't you put it into words?

[Stephen A Smith]

tell me how your brain got from "random list thrown at thread upon rep in" to "scumbag"

go

[Stephen A Smith]

you can stand there saying "it's obvious" over and over but if you can't explain your thoughts you're just caught scum here

[Stephen A Smith]

absolutely faceplant of a performance by dwlee right here

[Stephen A Smith]

you don't like getting punched in the face because it would hurt.

that's easy to explain.

now explain why random list thrown at thread upon rep in = scum

go

[Stephen A Smith]

"Why is it scummy to replace in, ignore any of the actual content, and then make a nonsensical scum list?" is what you're asking me right now

Ignore this post all you want, you're still scum

that's a question not a reason

you are asking a rhetorical question to make it look absurd for me to question you instead of actually explaining your thought process

[Stephen A Smith]

dwlee i gave you an absolute LAYUP of a question

This is softer than the shit I throw during my kid's peewee baseball practices.

and what are you doing? Just waving your arms around unable to explain a basic simple concept like how your brain got from "this is a random list" to "stephen is scum"

absolute choke job right here

[Stephen A Smith]

no you didn't

[Stephen A Smith]

are you hoping the entire thread is blind?

you did not answer my question

[Stephen A Smith]

how did your brain go from "stephen threw a completely random list into the thread on rep in" to "stephen is scum"

explain how your brain connected from A to B.

You literally had this thought in your head not 20 minutes ago when you posted that I'm scum for posting a random list.

Explain the connection go.

[Stephen A Smith]

You're spending an awful lot of time saying you answered the question instead of just answering the damn question.

[Stephen A Smith]

Answer the question

[Stephen A Smith]

how did your brain go from "stephen threw a completely random list into the thread on rep in" to "stephen is scum"

explain how your brain connected from A to B.

[Stephen A Smith]

you did not answer the question

[Stephen A Smith]

Dwlee absolutely choking right now

[Stephen A Smith]

Can't answer the easiest softball question in the world

[Stephen A Smith]

Why does me making a random list make me scum

go

answer the question and stop dodging

[Stephen A Smith]

quote it then and stop wasting my time

[Stephen A Smith]

You're literally just spamming the thread hoping nobody reads how hard you faceplanted

[Stephen A Smith]

I read all your posts

not a single one of them answers the question

[Stephen A Smith]

It's completely self-evident why that comes from scum

this is a dodge

[Stephen A Smith]

"Why is it scummy to replace in, ignore any of the actual content, and then make a nonsensical scum list?" is what you're asking me right now

this is rhetorically repeating my question back to me

[Stephen A Smith]

Because it's self-evident? What

this is another dodge

[Stephen A Smith]

Things that are self-evident are the hardest to put into words

You might as well ask me why I don't like being punched in the face

this is a shitty analogy that doesn't make sense because it's easy as fuck to explain why you don't want to get punched in the fucking face

[Stephen A Smith]

"Why is it scummy to replace in, ignore any of the actual content, and then make a nonsensical scum list?" is what you're asking me right now

Ignore this post all you want, you're still scum

this is repeating your shitty rhetorical question

[Stephen A Smith]

It's fundamentally zero solve

this is another dodge

[Stephen A Smith]

Unless

It makes you scum unless you explain <something> which I am not going to give you for free

Here's where I wait for you explanation which I am not giving you

this is a whataboutism

[Stephen A Smith]

I honestly already said too much

this is another dodge

[Stephen A Smith]

I already answered it

this is another dodge

[Stephen A Smith]

Yes I did. Good talk

this is another dodge

[Stephen A Smith]

Yes I did

this is another dodge

[Stephen A Smith]

I already did LOL

this is another dodge

[Stephen A Smith]

You're not even pretending to be reading my posts

this is another dodge

[Stephen A Smith]

I'm not repeating it for you, sorry. Go find it yourself

this is another dodge

[Stephen A Smith]

maybe you should drink some damn coffee before you stumble into the thread half asleep and make yourself look a damn fool

can't even explain a thought you had in your head 10 minutes ago supposedly

makes me pretty damn sure you never had that thought and you just half-asleep omgus'd me with non existent reasoning and decided to puff up your chest and pretend like you had something then when you get called out on it immediately go into arm flailing mode and cry about how you answered a question you clearly didn't.

[Stephen A Smith]

you're a damn liar

[Stephen A Smith]

there's literally not a single post of yours that answers my question

[Stephen A Smith]

it should be easy for you to answer if you're town and you legit thought that me making a random list = me being scum

but you can't answer it because you don't know how to connect A to B. That shit never went through your head.

[Stephen A Smith]

This got old. Cya later

I'll see you in the dead thread after your team shoots me for nailing you to a wall.

[Stephen A Smith]

TFW #1 on your list decides to do desperation distancing with #2/#4 on your list.

[Stephen A Smith]

if you're giving a list of "top 5 scum" there should be some sort of reasoning with it.

[Stephen A Smith]

dwlee is right here

ok explain why dwlee thinks "random list" = "mafia"

[Stephen A Smith]

Where does the Greeting sus come from? Idt they've done anything AI(they have like 4 posts)

I didn't like any of his three posts

[Stephen A Smith]

can we get a "lay off the weed one"?




PLEEEEASSEE??

[Stephen A Smith]

did you not read the last sentence of fire's post?

he says he thinks i'm scum doing this to get townread

[Stephen A Smith]

which I am not.

I am doing this because I am the best ESPN host to ever play the game of mafia and I love the sound of my own voice.

[Stephen A Smith]

and you can be DAMN sure that if I were to draw a mafia card I would do absolutely nothing different

I just happen to be town here.

[Stephen A Smith]

Which to be honest is kind of boring but it is what it is

[Stephen A Smith]

Have you never watched me on TV?

I am the definition of absurd

[Stephen A Smith]

Alright, tell me what you don't like about any of his posts.

Post 6 [/post ]is a RVS vote, with a random reasoning

Post [post]57 is them not agreeing with Andante with the fact that there isnt a "wagon"

Post [post]58 [/post ]is them thinking N_M is in the game

none of them show any serious thought towards solving

their presence in thread is touch and go

I don't see the point of a single post he made in terms of advancing the game state.

frankly the fact that there are no votes to punish this is egregious in my opinion.

[Stephen A Smith]

absurd

Skip Bayless says hi

The only regret I have in life is that he ran away from me before I could fire his ass like I did Max Kellerman.

HOW BOUT THEM COWBOYS?!?!

[Stephen A Smith]

I refuse to give anyone the benefit of the doubt even people who haven't posted yet (Don't think I don't see you lurking out there T3)

If you want me to townread you you better bring the goods.

[Stephen A Smith]

WHAT??????? THE UMPIRE KNOCKED DAK OVER. DAK WAS READY. THE UMPIRE WAS LATE!!! HE DID NOT DO HIS JOB QUICKLY ENOUGH. COWBOYS SHOULD'VE HAD ONE SHOT AT THE END ZONE FROM THE 20. DOABLE!!! JUST ABSURD.

To be a quarterback in the National Football League, Making ONE HUNDRED SIXTY MILLION DOLLARS and to not know the Ref needs to touch and spot the damn BALL.

IS JUST EGREGIOUS. ITS UNFORGIVABLE. ITS BEYOND A JOKE.

DAK PRESCOTT EMBARRASSED HIMSELF ON NATIONAL TV BY NOT KNOWING BASIC RULES. And how do you forget that the ref is the one who spots the damn ball?

This isn't some pee-wee league backyard shit

This is the playoffs, this is big time, this is the NFL.

And it starts at the top, it starts with Jerry Jones acting the fool. That franchise is not serious about the game of football and that's why they will never get anywhere in the playoffs.

[Stephen A Smith]

I refuse to give anyone the benefit of the doubt even people who haven't posted yet (Don't think I don't see you lurking out there T3)

If you want me to townread you you better bring the goods.

speaking of townreads, who do you TR anyways

absolutely noone has done enough to earn a townread from me.

[Stephen A Smith]

you ignored all the meat of what had happened in the game so far, which usually comes from wanting to avoid having to commit to anything or having to come up with a genuine-sounding thought on stuff. there's an obvious scum motivation for that. it's also just classic scumplay to ignore the leading wagon and get distracted by other stuff, town usually will at least comment about why they're ignoring it

Ok show me where he says that.

[Stephen A Smith]

what does Lebron think?

Lebron might be the worst GM of all time

[Stephen A Smith]

your list has no weight behind it, so it has no stakes. you can move away from any of those reads at any time without consequence because you didn't put any reasoning behind them. if any of the reads end up looking like good directions to push, you can come up with reasons for them later. you even said that your list was fluid

so why is that scum indicative? you think I'm supposed to have rock solid reads on page three and not re-evaluate as the game unfolds?

[Stephen A Smith]

it's also just classic scumplay to ignore the leading wagon

I don't take wagons on page three of a mini seriously.

[Stephen A Smith]

you ignored all the meat of what had happened in the game so far, which usually comes from wanting to avoid having to commit to anything or having to come up with a genuine-sounding thought on stuff.

It's far easier for me to enter with an RVS vote if I want to "avoid sounding geniune" or whatever this bullshit you're accusing me of.

I've replaced in for like 1 hour and I'm already top poster and ready and willing to respond to any questions so this is literally the dumbest sentence I've had the misfortune of reading in my 40 years of broadcasting.

Saying I'm trying to avoid coming up with thoughts.

You out of your damn mind.

[Stephen A Smith]

what are your thoughts on hockeyfan?

I would be absolutely delighted to murder him in place of killing skip bayless

I skimmed his iso and I can honestly say I don't remember a damn thing and I just read it like 2 minutes ago.

[Stephen A Smith]

what are your thoughts on hockeyfan?

I would be absolutely delighted to murder him in place of killing skip bayless

I skimmed his iso and I can honestly say I don't remember a damn thing and I just read it like 2 minutes ago.

you wouldn't be... avoiding coming up with thoughts here, would you? i know you wouldn't do that. you're going to read it again more closely and give a real opinion, right?

Read closely.

Have you never watched my show or something?

VOTE: HockeyFan

I'd kill this just for being a Cowboys fan.

[Stephen A Smith]

also I don't tr Hockey for realz 27,28 come from maf not town

why

this is a bad response

[Stephen A Smith]

god I forgot how to play mafia at all.

Alright, heres how you play mafia. Just tell me your mafia partners and it should be fairly easy!!

weird joke

[Stephen A Smith]

I probs have Dwlee as town(for now) for 16,20 and 34

ridiculous read

[Stephen A Smith]

absurd

Skip Bayless says hi

The only regret I have in life is that he ran away from me before I could fire his ass like I did Max Kellerman.

HOW BOUT THEM COWBOYS?!?!

WHAT??????? THE UMPIRE KNOCKED DAK OVER. DAK WAS READY. THE UMPIRE WAS LATE!!! HE DID NOT DO HIS JOB QUICKLY ENOUGH. COWBOYS SHOULD'VE HAD ONE SHOT AT THE END ZONE FROM THE 20. DOABLE!!! JUST ABSURD.

and he's a cowboys fan so OH THE LORD IS KIND TO ME TODAY

[Stephen A Smith]

Some big moves happening in the NBA. I'm gonna be busy for the rest of the day. Need three more volunteers to launch HockeyDude out a window. Let's get it done before First Take Tommorrow.

[Stephen A Smith]

The pressure Stephen A Smith is seemingly putting on Dwlee99 seems completely out of place to me.

As for their later posts, the rebuffs to their obviously very disruptive play seem to be overly aggressive, as in 192 or 196. Sure, they've repped in a short while ago, but why would it even matter when almost all they've literally posted is unnecessary banter.

Am I posting only unnecessary banter or am I applying pressure to get reactions and hunt for bad guys? Make up your damn mind Britney.

[Stephen A Smith]

I've been in DWlee's shoes recently. Stephen would argue the color of the sky with them. Every time a legit answer is run in a circle it gives someone a chance to misrep the original answer. I don't like what he's doing. The entire character(Stephen) and more likely than not the game opening, and maybe even the entire game is already being played as some sort of gambit. its all pre meditated. Not saying thats AI at all because obviously there is no way to know what they will roll,but I feel this character would have been installed regardless of green or red.

I am unsatisfied with Dwlee's answer to my question. I wouldn't be surprised if they are actually mafia here.

[Stephen A Smith]

your list has no weight behind it, so it has no stakes. you can move away from any of those reads at any time without consequence because you didn't put any reasoning behind them. if any of the reads end up looking like good directions to push, you can come up with reasons for them later. you even said that your list was fluid

so why is that scum indicative? you think I'm supposed to have rock solid reads on page three and not re-evaluate as the game unfolds?

It's AI because its a hedge list based on nothing,and its on like page 3 and regardless of what happens you have left every possible out for yourself.like all of them. Thats why it's scummy.

Am I supposed to have rock solid reads on page three of a game? What you call hedging I call starting a damn conversation.

[Stephen A Smith]

I've been in DWlee's shoes recently. Stephen would argue the color of the sky with them. Every time a legit answer is run in a circle it gives someone a chance to misrep the original answer. I don't like what he's doing. The entire character(Stephen) and more likely than not the game opening, and maybe even the entire game is already being played as some sort of gambit. its all pre meditated. Not saying thats AI at all because obviously there is no way to know what they will roll,but I feel this character would have been installed regardless of green or red.

I am unsatisfied with Dwlee's answer to my question. I wouldn't be surprised if they are actually mafia here.

shtick aside, wouldn't it be easier to just say that,maybe try again and move on? See, I love this character. But I'm trying to figure out right now if your slot is about it or the game more.

That's not how I roll and you know it. That is a fact.

[Stephen A Smith]

Andante I like your style

do you want to be my cohost?

[Stephen A Smith]

Andante I like your style

do you want to be my cohost?

Sure!!! I need to finish catching up though, and know nothing about your hosting skills - which I'm sure are top notch!! but I'd love to cohost!

this puppers is ready to go.

[Stephen A Smith]

Andante I'm gonna need a top five town list for our morning show

you can put yourself in it if you want.

[Stephen A Smith]

you can just give me name I'll put together the graphic. whos top of your townlist so far?

[Stephen A Smith]

Andy this is an opinion talk show

We can make shit up if we don't know

[Stephen A Smith]

Andy this is an opinion talk show

We can make shit up if we don't know

did you make up any of your original top 5 and if so which ones?

I am an expert analyst and would never just make things up.

[Stephen A Smith]

I look good in a suit

[Stephen A Smith]

TFW you tell the new intern she can just "make it up" and suddenly people are giving her shit on twitter about her top five list being terrible

[Stephen A Smith]

Is there anyone here who townreads HockeyFan?

[Stephen A Smith]

We need to book him for my ESPN debate show then

@WaveMode are you ready to defend your boy Hockey

[Stephen A Smith]

We need to book him for my ESPN Live debate show then

@WaveMode are you ready to defend your boy HockeyFan?

[Stephen A Smith]

I am busy covering the Superbowl for ESPN and will return tommorrow to go over the big game.

[Stephen A Smith]

FireSir and Greeting will be booked for a 1v1 live debate @ 8am EST to talk about whether we kill SkipBayless#1 or AbstractArtGuy

[Stephen A Smith]

We should make FaceBoy and HockeyDude pick teams for the superbowl and yeet the one that picks wrong

[Stephen A Smith]

Rams are a four point favorite but Joey B is my Boy

[Stephen A Smith]

I am always up for sending Dwlee to an early retirement home

[Stephen A Smith]

I'm not going to lie I stopped reading like 25 pages ago how is hockey guy still alive?

[Stephen A Smith]

ya its just such a counterintuitive fakeclaim for d1

Explain why.

The goal of a fakeclaim is to get people to unvote(already successful).

He's also not forced to do any night actions that could reveal it's a fakeclaim via tracker/watcher/follower etc since he's a "backup"

He also can't be caught out as there's no idea what he's backing up.

If he claims universal backup and we have a dead vig he's kind of fucked when he can't make a vig shot happen for example.

[Stephen A Smith]

VOTE: Nero Cain

Sure whatever

[Stephen A Smith]

I believe in you FA

[Stephen A Smith]

I believe in you FA

would Like to know your read on scorpoius and andante btw if you read their latest posts

I haven't read any of their posts but they radiate strong town energy to me

[Stephen A Smith]

I'm waiting for her to fall asleep before I try to post

[Stephen A Smith]

Can we fast forward to the bit where everyone realises nero/fa is s/s?

[Stephen A Smith]

also, @Stephen why are u voting Nero? Is it cuz Frozen has used the same argument 10 times to prove her point(not that i think this is inherently scummy), but im cirous

Let me be absolutely frank about why I am voting Nero.

If I have to read another Frozen Angel post about how Nero is lockscum I will literally stab my own eyes out.

[Stephen A Smith]

If this duck is scum he is tap dancing all over this town

[Stephen A Smith]

imo if anything a lim on Nero would encourage there to be more wallposts

if nero is scum we will get more wallposts but we will get closer to winning

if nero is town I don't think we will get more wallposts

[Stephen A Smith]

claim sclaim the mod is right there we might as well get a flip

[Stephen A Smith]

ok how sure are you that nero is scum again

[Stephen A Smith]

cuz if it's anything less than 90% I need you to step away from your keyboard and let the game breathe a little

[Stephen A Smith]

[Stephen A Smith]

VOTE: Greeting

[Stephen A Smith]

a reminder to all players is that the l-word is not to be used.

i wonder how many times am i going to quote this post by the end of this game.

[Stephen A Smith]

Nah fam

VOTE: nero

[Stephen A Smith]

I didn't like how Greeting went from:

Post 188 also seems to be spot-on on

Stephen A Smith

. Repping into a game to post a completely random, unsubstantiated suspicion list (71) and then get into a heated argument with the top "culprit" just doesn't make sense as town play at all. Is this some kind of past-game grudge that I don't know of? 82 seems to be suggesting that, but then, in 156

Dwlee99

claims they know nothing of it.

You not about to stand there pretending you have the short term memory of a goldfish on me are you?

The pressure

Stephen A Smith

is seemingly putting on

Dwlee99

seems completely out of place to me.

As for their later posts, the rebuffs to their obviously very disruptive play seem to be overly aggressive, as in 192 or 196. Sure, they've repped in a short while ago, but why would it even matter when almost all they've literally posted is unnecessary banter.

VOTE: Stephen A Smith until they convince me they're town.

maybe stephen town for continuing to persits 1 thing instead of just letting it go(cuz it doesn't benefit him as mafia to do this).

This depends on who Stephen's main is

The playstyle reminds me of House.

And yes, I would say that spamming the crap out of the game benefits the mafia hugely and acts as a distracting force.

to

Alright, I guess I'll just drop this list. The varying shades of green are townreads of Day 1. I feel like each player I had suspected in this game so far has given me something suggesting that they're

not

scum. I suppose I had a choice to keep going with either of them, but I'd just be going against my gut at this point.

wavemode

Andante
Dwlee99
the worst
Nero Cain
Umlaut
Scorpious

fireisredsir

Eyes without a face

Frozen Angel

Stephen A Smith

Greeting

HockeyFan

There might be a scum or even two amongst those coloured light green.

I'm just unable to spot them yet.

Those coloured a darker shade green are firmer townreads in my eyes and I will not be pursuing them today.

I can be swayed to vote anyone shaded white.

Andante

,

Dwlee99

or

Nero Cain

are preferable. I'm more hesitant on

Scorpious

, but he isn't off the table either.

VOTE: Nero Cain

@

Nero Cain

, I actually have read your ISO and it's really bad. My conclusion is that it's full of indecisiveness, throwing hooks and attempts to catch other players over mere words. I can totally see a scum making all of your posts.

[Stephen A Smith]

because Frozen Angel wanted to kill you and now she's dead and if you were town I imagine the scum would let her stay alive to scream for another 80 pages about how you are lock scum and need to die.

[Stephen A Smith]

I'm a simple man I think simple thoughts.

[Stephen A Smith]

i cant believe nero is still alive i can hear Frozen Angel in my dreams

[Stephen A Smith]

I can't believe Nero Cain is still alive

do we really want to go to heaven and find out its just Frozen Angel posting 500 times about how Nero should die?

[Stephen A Smith]

I think this town just collectively needs to focus

and by focus i mean focus on making Nero dead

we can fight about other random nonsense tommorrow.

[Stephen A Smith]

should i hammer now i'm so bored

[Stephen A Smith]

duckie give it to me straight, this is 100 % mech guilty?

[Stephen A Smith]

should i hammer now i'm so bored

hammer your sucm parnter, do it

if this was my scum partner I would've already hammered

[Stephen A Smith]

duck is there any way eyes can be VT here given the information you have? there shouldn't be any ambiguity, either it's possible or it isn't

I want a 100% answer from duck about the quality of the mechanical information

[Stephen A Smith]

I don't give a shit about your role

I want you to say whether eyes is 100% guranteed scum or not

[Stephen A Smith]

are you changing your mind on whether eyes is guilty or what

[Stephen A Smith]

duckie if you think eyes is town maybe stop trolling and help us kill actual scum like nero thx

[Stephen A Smith]

Also this is self meta so feel free not to believe me but I 100% do not play games with you if I see 1 townie claiming a mech-guilty on another townie because I'm not a moron.

If I'm scum and eyes/duck are town I 100% lol-hammer eyes as soon as he's in range and then blame it on duckie tomm.

I don't do some stupid song and dance with duck because that's ineffective and a waste of time and town on 2 mislims with a scapegoat like duckie is pretty much done at D3 most of the time.

[Stephen A Smith]

duck if you're town and claiming a fake mech guilty on another town on d2 perhaps you should re-examine how you play mafia games because your shitty fake claim gets eyes to flip town here and you're town you're like almost 100% making this game unwinnable and I don't really feel like wasting time on some shit like that.

[Stephen A Smith]

yes i noticed

[Stephen A Smith]

i have always wanted to kill nero

[Stephen A Smith]

hockey what do you think of nero's alignment? scum or not scum go

[Stephen A Smith]

hockey what do you think of nero's alignment? scum or not scum go

not scum

based on what?

[Stephen A Smith]

feel free to counter my points but "i'm not stupid so i wouldn't do this as scum; also stop the shit you've already stopped because it's going to lose town the game" is so warped and deliberately minimises actually trying to solve the game

I already told you how I play town you faking a shitty mech guilty on a town eyes.

It's easy and incredibly straight foward.

Perhaps instead of faking shitty mech guilties that almost get people killed you should try doing something productive with your time like voting for nero

[Stephen A Smith]

fuck i got pedited

[Stephen A Smith]

nero hockey dwlee probly all scum

[Stephen A Smith]

which nero post do you find townie again?

[Stephen A Smith]

I don't believe Nero's claim

[Stephen A Smith]

which nero post do you find townie again?

I can not be fucked to sift through 25 pages of thier interactions. Anwyays, i decided that thier interaction was t/s, and i found FA scummier since she repeated the same talking abounts about 20 times

this explanation makes no sense

if you think Nero/FA is T/S and FA flips town that makes Nero Scum

[Stephen A Smith]

I felt like Nero was obviously a PR even D1 sad

can you explain your thought process and show the progression?

[Stephen A Smith]

can the people who do not believe nero's claim please take a stance on hockeyfan. are they scum fakeclaiming GS and backup GS together? and why do you believe so

do either of them have any crumbs?

also hockeyfan has weird interactions with nero cain - if nero flips scum today hockey probly on an express train to yeetville tomm - not reason for him not to double down on nero's claim

also kinda of convenient how the two susp people with weird interactions happen to be gunsmith and backup gunsmith

anyway save me the trouble just fakeclaim mason next time.

[Stephen A Smith]

I felt like Nero was obviously a PR even D1 sad

can you explain your thought process and show the progression?

Nero was acting like a PR, I thought he was a PR, I was right

You need to give me more than that.

like I read post # ___ and it made me think Nero was PR because ___ thought came into my head

[Stephen A Smith]

I haven't been keeping notes so no clue

do you really have no memory of this event?

[Stephen A Smith]

also hockeyfan has weird interactions with nero cain

what was weird?

when andante votes for nero making nero the top wagon atp, hockeyfan reacts with this:

andante on d1, didnt want the nero wagon to go through, TR nero, but voted nero anyways cuz she wanted to sheep frozen(lasted like 5 mins) Suddenly is ok with yeeting nero in 1953 and then SRS nero again cuz she didnt like the nero wagon, but she was one the advcoated against the wagon, and that nero is town, posts 2037 because lmao??? 2143, again is just ???

and now is again advocating for nero

jesus, what is this read progression of nero from andante LOL, like ??? how do u read this, im inclined to scumlean this but its confirmation bias likely, but yea the read progression on nero from andante is very ....(not good)

which says nothing about nero's alignment and is just kind of shading andante for having a weird progression on nero.

when I ask hockeyfan about his read on nero he gives me :

hockey what do you think of nero's alignment? scum or not scum go

not scum

when pressed he explains:

hockey what do you think of nero's alignment? scum or not scum go

not scum

based on what?

people on neros wagon + i found him townier anyways in the fire interaction

i do like fires 2404 tho, dk if its enough to sway me

which nero post do you find townie again?

I can not be fucked to sift through 25 pages of thier interactions. Anwyays, i decided that thier interaction was t/s, and i found FA scummier since she repeated the same talking abounts about 20 times

Which is weird af considering FA flipped town so if he thinks Nero/FA is T/S he should think Nero is scum instead he thinks Nero is town which is ???

and then he just coveniently happens to be a backup of Nero's claimed role like lol what

[Stephen A Smith]

Well I do have some now that I've reread something but I don't feel like sharing what made me think he is a PR now that I figured out why I thought that

he's already claimed PR so you don't really have an excuse why not to share it

[Stephen A Smith]

Well I do have some now that I've reread something but I don't feel like sharing what made me think he is a PR now that I figured out why I thought that

he's already claimed PR so you don't really have an excuse why not to share it

I don't feel like outing PR tells

You can't expect me to believe your thought process if you won't share it

Play to win this game not future games

[Stephen A Smith]

I mean the last time I listened to you about an EN Gunsmith claim we got punked so I don't have the greatest confidence in your PR reading skills

[Stephen A Smith]

well your boy nero is about to die so i'm not sure how smart it is for you to hold on to hidden pr tells and let the dude die rather than convince us he's actually a PR

[Stephen A Smith]

Also I won us that game pretty much like game was solved but I digress

I mean we did lose so no?

[Stephen A Smith]

Town voted you over literal confscum, not my fault homie

And if Nero gets limmed here y'all are throwing

I refuse to believe two of this town's tprs are Even Night Gunsmith and Backup Gunsmith because I hate gunsmiths

[Stephen A Smith]

like on a power level

those literally don't move the needle

it's literally garbage

and considering you're claiming some kind of guilty on Eyes I think you should be skeptical too

unless I guess you're saying you're odd night gunsmith

which then lol fuck this setup

[Stephen A Smith]

if nero is town he will have a result for us tonight. it could be very critical information

why is eliminating him today so goddamn urgent

cuz i think he's scum and i dont give a shit what result he makes up

[Stephen A Smith]

ok but have you played in a datisi setup before

the last time I did with a gunsmith it was some convoluted bullshit like informed gunsmith in a game where the three mafia were all doctors

[Stephen A Smith]

These are all of the Mini Normals Datisi has ever modded:



MN2245

setup

1x town ascetic activated innocent child
1x town 2-shot macho simple neapolitan
1x town babysitter
1x town lazy roleblocker
6x vt

1x mafia informed backup ascetic (there is a town ascetic activated innocent child in the game)
1x mafia 1-shot rolestopper backup ascetic
1x mafia backup ascetic

public info: all members of the mafia are backup ascetics. they may or may not have additional roles and/or modifiers.

MN 2205

setup

town:
1x town non-consecutive night neapolitan
1x town night 2 rolecop
1x town 1-shot detective
1x town informed gunsmith (there are 4 players in the game that show up as having a gun)
6x vt

scum:
1x mafia informed doctor (there is an informed town member aware that 4 players in the game show up as having a gun)
2x mafia doctor

public information: a mafia doctor (with or without modifiers) is confirmed to exist in the game

MN2187

setup

town:
1x town innocent child jailkeeper enabler
1x town joat (neapolitan, gunsmith, tracker)
1x town 3-shot vigilante
1x bulletproof townie
6x vt

scum:
1x mafia multitasking jailkeeper
1x mafia informed ([player] is a town innocent child jailkeeper enabler; there are no town-aligned aliens, babysitters, bodyguards, commuters, doctors, hiders, jailkeepers or rolestoppers, backups for one of these roles, or joats with the ability from at least one of these roles)
1x mafia bulletproof enabler

MN 2163

setup

town:
1x town informed loyal cop (informed there is at least one mafia member with the rolestopper ability)
1x town jailkeeper
1x town commuter
1x town checker miller
6x VT

scum:
1x mafia rolestopper
1x mafia n1 informed (informed there is a town informed loyal cop)
1x mafia goon

common features:

4 TPRs in each Setup
No Backups Ever
Convoluted TPRs.


Now if we actually have EN Gunsmith and Gunsmith backup and One Shot Role Cop as three of our TPRs our town is like kind of fucked on a PR level if we're dealing with the standard datisi 4 TPR setup because lol wut.

[Stephen A Smith]

I can't even think of a TPR strong enough to make up for the weaksauce that are the three claimed TPRs rn

[Stephen A Smith]

I see no reason why Datisi would deviate from his four TPR mod meta he is a creature of habit and an artist and he likes things that look a certain way

[Stephen A Smith]

I mean gunsmith kind of implies the existence of some sort of vig so Novice Multi Shot vig might work but even that is a stretch imo esp. Also there's so much swing if you put all the town power into a single vig role that cant fire on night one and there's no protective in the setup

[Stephen A Smith]

the rolecop claimed he investigated the gs backup? lol what

[Stephen A Smith]

whatever

VOTE: eyes

cant wait to see how modtisi fucks me over this game

[Stephen A Smith]

UNVOTE:

[Stephen A Smith]

i do not think that Nero and hockey are scum together. i think maf team has a rolecop and checked out hockey to see what they could fakeclaim, and Nero claimed to try to draw out the gunsmith claim since he was going down

ok this kind of makes sense to me

[Stephen A Smith]

what if wavemode is that mafia rolecop who found a backup gunsmith that would be so wild

[Stephen A Smith]

VOTE: Nero

[Stephen A Smith]

I can't believe I even listened to Dwlee for like an hour

[Stephen A Smith]

UNVOTE:

[Stephen A Smith]

fam can we get dwlee now

[Stephen A Smith]

im down for either dlee or sheeping fa again on andante because sheeping fa worked yesterday

[Stephen A Smith]

Well I do have some now that I've reread something but I don't feel like sharing what made me think he is a PR now that I figured out why I thought that

he's already claimed PR so you don't really have an excuse why not to share it

I don't feel like outing PR tells

It is also playing to win this game — outing a tell could help scum find other PRs

now that we know your "tell" is not very accurate can you explain your thought process on nero = pr?

[Stephen A Smith]

i had a dream you were a baddie last night dlee

also im ready to launch scorp cuz guilty

[Stephen A Smith]

yea you're lucky in that respect

[Stephen A Smith]

my subconscious mind bailing you out

[Stephen A Smith]

unless I'm getting trolled by my subconscious again

[Stephen A Smith]

i still want to hear what your pr tell on nero was

[Stephen A Smith]

"I thought the way Nero approached his wagon was a PR tell. When he reached E-1 he continued just doing whatever instead of immediately claiming which reminded me of when I was a vigilante and did the same thing."

this is just behavioral.

[Stephen A Smith]

It is also playing to win this game — outing a tell could help scum find other PRs

also how does this tell even jive with this ?

who else displayed this tell? I can't even remember anyone else this game getting up to e-1 and being nonchalant about it?

[Stephen A Smith]

alright do we need to discuss anything else or is it time to yeet

[Stephen A Smith]

waiting for datisi to give me an accurate VC so I can hammahrize

[Stephen A Smith]

what the fuck is that flavor

[Stephen A Smith]

hammer time dlee lets go

[Stephen A Smith]

VOTE: scorp

[Stephen A Smith]

why

[Stephen A Smith]

dont we have a backup gunsmith who should have a result for us

[Stephen A Smith]

none of what you said about umlaut is v convincing for me lol

[Stephen A Smith]

And back to my stephen/umlaut thought, if stephen "can't see umlaut maf" and can't give reads of his own... I don't think I've seen a single read other than the "DWLEE MAF!!" right out of the gate from stephen... maybe it's just stephen?

if I was mafia it'd be easier for me to help you bury umlaut

[Stephen A Smith]

we have a backup gunsmith, an alien and someone that the gunsmith investigated

we have three yeets

we're pretty close to mech win

just calm down andy

[Stephen A Smith]

whatever even if datisi is trolling us and there's no alien we should have a 4th TPR

[Stephen A Smith]

I'm actually kind of surprised the mafia killed the joat that used their shots rather than the verified backup gunsmith tbh

kinda makes me think the backup gunsmith is a mafia backup gunsmith but if hockey is that he's kind of fucked no matter what

[Stephen A Smith]

[Stephen A Smith]

yea I think you're a gunsmith miller or a mafia goon then

[Stephen A Smith]

ok i'm just going to out

I'm Alien Voyeur.

I think the last scum is between Dwlee/Hockey because I don't think Datisi puts 5 TPRs in this game

we have 3 lims so we can just elim me/dwlee/hockey and auto win

I want to start with Hockey first because scum leaving the gunsmith alive makes very little sense to me and I don't think we're dealing with a Mafia Doctor.

VOTE: HockeyFan

[Stephen A Smith]

yea I know Dwlee isn't necesarily a TPR but more like a named townie/gunsmith miller or whatever but fuck it you miss 1000% of the shots you don't take

[Stephen A Smith]

like I don't think town has Gunsmith+Backup Gunsmith + Joat + Alien Voyeur that's like way too much power imo

[Stephen A Smith]

I'm gonna absolutely be clowning myself if Hockeyfan is town here but I have decent reasons to townread Duckie Umlaut Andante and Eyes so I'm going to shoot my shot here

[Stephen A Smith]

n1 i targeted fireisredsir - that's why he was blocked
n2 i targeted fireisredsir - a killing action was performed on him (very useful i know lol)
n3 i targeted duckie - duckie is very unpopular and no1 else did anything to duckie

[Stephen A Smith]

I don't think you or hockey is scum - and I disagree with your assessment of the power of the roles we have right now.

Datisi has hosted 4 mini normals and none of them have more than 4 TPRs

[Stephen A Smith]

also Mafia Alien Enabler & Mafia Backup Gunsmith is the sort of convoluted bullshit Datisi loves to put in his setup

[Stephen A Smith]

These are all of the Mini Normals Datisi has ever modded:



MN2245

setup

1x town ascetic activated innocent child
1x town 2-shot macho simple neapolitan
1x town babysitter
1x town lazy roleblocker
6x vt

1x mafia informed backup ascetic (there is a town ascetic activated innocent child in the game)
1x mafia 1-shot rolestopper backup ascetic
1x mafia backup ascetic

public info: all members of the mafia are backup ascetics. they may or may not have additional roles and/or modifiers.

MN 2205

setup

town:
1x town non-consecutive night neapolitan
1x town night 2 rolecop
1x town 1-shot detective
1x town informed gunsmith (there are 4 players in the game that show up as having a gun)
6x vt

scum:
1x mafia informed doctor (there is an informed town member aware that 4 players in the game show up as having a gun)
2x mafia doctor

public information: a mafia doctor (with or without modifiers) is confirmed to exist in the game

MN2187

setup

town:
1x town innocent child jailkeeper enabler
1x town joat (neapolitan, gunsmith, tracker)
1x town 3-shot vigilante
1x bulletproof townie
6x vt

scum:
1x mafia multitasking jailkeeper
1x mafia informed ([player] is a town innocent child jailkeeper enabler; there are no town-aligned aliens, babysitters, bodyguards, commuters, doctors, hiders, jailkeepers or rolestoppers, backups for one of these roles, or joats with the ability from at least one of these roles)
1x mafia bulletproof enabler

MN 2163

setup

town:
1x town informed loyal cop (informed there is at least one mafia member with the rolestopper ability)
1x town jailkeeper
1x town commuter
1x town checker miller
6x VT

scum:
1x mafia rolestopper
1x mafia n1 informed (informed there is a town informed loyal cop)
1x mafia goon

common features:

4 TPRs in each Setup
No Backups Ever
Convoluted TPRs.


Now if we actually have EN Gunsmith and Gunsmith backup and One Shot Role Cop as three of our TPRs our town is like kind of fucked on a PR level if we're dealing with the standard datisi 4 TPR setup because lol wut.

[Stephen A Smith]

like town having a full gunsmith and a backup gunsmith imo is just way too much power esp if town has an ungated protective who can play wifom games with the mafia nightkill. that combined with a follower/rolecop is just absolutely busted in terms of town power

[Stephen A Smith]

datisi is an artist, he likes 4 tprs because it is pretty

[Stephen A Smith]

hockeyfan is the most susp by dayplay too

and him not dying last night is a massive red flag imo

[Stephen A Smith]

gunsmith + backup gunsmith is a shitload of power