MT 2263: Web of Lies - Game Over

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Ego.

I am not okay right now. PTSD flashbacks last night into having to make a Mandatory Reporter CPS report for a kid at my job, which is triggering some bad flashbacks to my own childhood.

I don't know when I will get to this but it won't be tonight.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

To be fair my defensiveness is probably coming from the fact that I've basically had another player suspecting me before I'd even managed to look at the thread due to a couple of fairly meh posts from the guy I'm replacing. It feels fairly natural to adopt a more defensive approach from that POV when I know I'm not mafia and have basically been perceived as one from the off. But aware that's the hand I've been dealt.

This, I don't agree with.

You had some superficial shade tossed on you based on pregame content. Big deal.

How you reacted to it looked like you deserved it.

This is a bad idea when I have bad brains but

What part of their reaction was suspicious and how do you think that reaction differs from how they would react if town?

More specifically, how do you think their reaction is different from, say, a person who is being suspected for something they didn't do and is displaying discomfort and concern over that fact?

I would like you to give me the psychological break down of your read on their reaction, essentially.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I have a secret tech read that might be a bit out there based on how bad my brain is doing today but feels really possible to me and this is a post holder for me to return and refer to this post as the moment that read began for later use.

Checkov's read, if you will.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

What part of their reaction was suspicious and how do you think that reaction differs from how they would react if town?

I already said. Tentative approach looked like he deserved to be suspected.

Bullshitting around, laughing it off, whatever... that initial impression would have likely just went away.

Doesn't answer the question. You don't think that Tentativeness and concern is normal for a player who replaces into a suspected slot over something they didn't do?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Perhaps Bell is my next person to give attention to.

How about commentary on this current line of argument that is happening? What is your read on Malcom and what do you think of House's logic?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Perhaps Bell is my next person to give attention to.

How about commentary on this current line of argument that is happening? What is your read on Malcom and what do you think of House's logic?

Who do you think is scum thus far?

(Pick me! Pick me!)

you're fucked if you think i have any strong reads right now, lmfao. not with the day i've had

i'm just stirring the pot to create some content i can sift through later and try to keep myself invested in this game so i don't crater into zero motivation land

[Lady Lambdadelta]

The best I have is my secret Chekov's read which I'm not talking about because it's a long shot but if it comes to play, i'll be shouting it from heavens high

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Perhaps Bell is my next person to give attention to.

How about commentary on this current line of argument that is happening? What is your read on Malcom and what do you think of House's logic?

Who do you think is scum thus far?

(Pick me! Pick me!)

you're fucked if you think i have any strong reads right now, lmfao. not with the day i've had

i'm just stirring the pot to create some content i can sift through later and try to keep myself invested in this game so i don't crater into zero motivation land

If you like drama, motivation shouldn't be a problem in this game.

I'm known for making games... interesting.

Bruh I just had a kid tell me he was getting abused by his family today.

I don't really give a fuck about your drama, but if you make the wall of emotional effort to engage with this game higher than my fucks to give I will not be engaging with the game until the fucks to give return or the wall of emotional bullshit lowers back to reasonable amounts.

Do what you want.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I did not find anything that Penguin said in the hood to be scummy tbh. Nothing particularly townie either (except a one off line that did align with how I know Penguin views my play)

LLD, have you looked at the hood to see what originally started the scum reads on the Medea/Malcolm slot?

I've seen it but I didn't really think much of it. It was pre-game and I figured that PA was either checked out or genuinely confused, both of which are possible as both alignments.

Like, I'm assuming Steven is saying PA did a TMI? or said something that was obvious phrased as a question to try and pretend she didn't know something?

but the PA I know, if they're making a play, would think things through and be accurate?

PA did say she was asking it to get a read on how people responded to it, so i doubt it was thoughtless, but i suspect that it being a confusion or "checked out but trying to stay involved" moment is likely.

I mean, I'm doing that right the fuck now. I'm hyper checked out from this game but trying desperately to do some content and get some reads to remain... available for when my spoons return?

So.... I think it's not alignment indicative.

This post is caveat to my secret read which relates to it slightly.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I feel like you might be town just from Role Luke tbh.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like...okay, so.

This is some outguessing nonsense but follow me here.

Scum PROBABLY have some kind of QT spy ability. That just makes sense to me. I think that town from the start of the game needs to be able to know who is where for the most part.

Having a player in all hoods, centering the web, it makes sense as a town role that gets shot decently early, but more like it makes not a lot of sense as a scum role to begin with.

Like I don't see Ircher making "starts in all the PTs" a scum thing, especially with the other pregame job mechanic

[Lady Lambdadelta]

So you two... are literal masons?

Cause MT, if this is some dumb ass gambit, I'm going to be pissed. Don't fake claim masons for the love of god.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Can the both of you shut the fuck up for a second and take a moment to like... hard confirm this under penalty of torture that this isn't a bit?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm not 100% that forcing them to drop that was beneficial to us

I don't trust that both those slots are town and I DOUBLE don't trust that there's not a JANITOR in this weird game called WEB OF LIES.

I refuse to be on the receiving end of my own gambit from that other game.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm not 100% that forcing them to drop that was beneficial to us

Yeah that was a real buzzkill on LLD's part

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic but if you aren't know that I'm withholding about 40 different swear words relating to how fucked my day has been and not having time for this nonsense and playing slow fundemental basketball (which will include a steven a smith joke) and refusing to deal with nonsense gambits that could lose us the game RN.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm not 100% that forcing them to drop that was beneficial to us

Yeah that was a real buzzkill on LLD's part

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic but if you aren't know that I'm withholding about 40 different swear words relating to how fucked my day has been and not having time for this nonsense and playing slow fundemental basketball (which will include a steven a smith joke) and refusing to deal with nonsense gambits that could lose us the game RN.

I'm going to be real with you

This game is an outlet to try and have fun

Losing it due to a silly page 10 day 1 gambit is really the last of my concerns today and probably yours too

Like even worst case if I threw the game doing that somehow, it's still a game and not worth lobbing insults at all

I would argue that I felt pretty insulted by "buzzkill" but go off I guess?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm not 100% that forcing them to drop that was beneficial to us

I don't trust that both those slots are town and I DOUBLE don't trust that there's not a JANITOR in this weird game called WEB OF LIES.

I refuse to be on the receiving end of my own gambit from that other game.

Well no if it were a scum versus scum gambit I just wouldn't have dropped it. So you more or less were just fun ruining me in the town scenario

It's okay though I think one page used up is reasonable enough. More might have been too much

???

the gambit I'm referring to was a game where i as scum convinced a townie to claim masons with me, shot him with a janitor kill and rode the town cred of being a alive confirmed mason as a result to the end game.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

the gambit I'm referring to was a game where i as scum convinced a townie to claim masons with me, shot him with a janitor kill and rode the town cred of being a alive confirmed mason as a result to the end game.

Nvm thought u were talkin about an SvS gambit not a SvT one

Yeah, no, SvS gets solved on its own eventually when neither of you die and you have to retract and then we kill one of you as a test.

It's SvT into a fake clear that is on my mind.

After losing 2 straight games to fake clears, I'm not fucking letting that shit happen 3 times. No.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm not 100% that forcing them to drop that was beneficial to us

Yeah that was a real buzzkill on LLD's part

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic but if you aren't know that I'm withholding about 40 different swear words relating to how fucked my day has been and not having time for this nonsense and playing slow fundemental basketball (which will include a steven a smith joke) and refusing to deal with nonsense gambits that could lose us the game RN.

I'm going to be real with you

This game is an outlet to try and have fun

Losing it due to a silly page 10 day 1 gambit is really the last of my concerns today and probably yours too

Like even worst case if I threw the game doing that somehow, it's still a game and not worth lobbing insults at all

I would argue that I felt pretty insulted by "buzzkill" but go off I guess?

It was not my intention for it to be insulting, my apologies then. It was meant to express that I was disappointed.

We good. Promise.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

vote: Malcom

My secret read might literally be true this is the best world ever lmfao.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Well is it a secret read when you go out and say it like that?

So I read a bunch

Dunn is stiff yeah

He is continuing to make comments like in the exact same vein as the ones he's getting in trouble for (Slightly too obvious, sort of scummy comments that sort of seem like scum watching TvT from the outside). like people point it out and he keeps doing it rather than changing it up at all.

im not really sure if that's an indication Dunn just likes to keep it real as town and doesnt care about our dumb opinions, or if he's just i guess scum for continuously making sort of scummy comments

Sorry industry/inventor, mixed up, so many.

Why would you fake a guilty on yourself when you were already being suspected for your predecessors neighborhood posts?

it sounds like he's talking to a buddy cause it's got a little tone of frustration/confusion. Whether or not Dunn is actually talking to a buddy idk but the post comes off as one that sounds bad

I don't recall posturing being a part of town Bell's playbook

And the Bell read has felt like a meme this game more than an actual read

The read isn't about Malcom, it only relates to "if Malcolm is scum... Then... x"

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Fine fuck it I'll just say it.

I poked house about his argument because I also felt Malcom/PA were scummy (but was not as certain of it?) And felt their reasoning was bad and concerning

So my secret read is House was setting up a bus on Malcom.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

That was the thought I had when I wrote that post. The thing I didn't want to say so I didn't poison the well of answers.

I had a strong feeling of House bussing Malcom if Malcom was inderd scum.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

dat was an accident he meant to vote for malcolm look at his next post

He knows. He knows what he is doing.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

*waits for LLD to miss the sarcasm*

You're being a fucking jerk, and I'm asking you politely to stop. I'm also reporting this post for harassment sufficient the mods understand that this is the "LLD put her foot down and said this wasn't fucking okay" moment so when you inevitably choose to be a jerk again and transgress further despite me saying this, you'll actually have to face consequence for behaving like a dick.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD, can you elaborate on your Luke read?

My only luke read is the townread I gave luke for his role related reason

I thought I was pretty elaborate on that

[Lady Lambdadelta]

can someone just explain to me the mech conf clears and the house spew clear? Flea specifically because it seems like fae has all the cards WRT that?

I get the Flea clear, given Malcom slipped TO FLEA. Just need to fact check the others before I start realigning where my head is at.

Again, I refuse to lose 3 games in a row to a fake clear, so.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Okay ty Luke.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Wait, explain the House one more clearly to me. Or rather, can Flea explain the spew?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

can someone just explain to me the mech conf clears and the house spew clear? Flea specifically because it seems like fae has all the cards WRT that?

I get the Flea clear, given Malcom slipped TO FLEA. Just need to fact check the others before I start realigning where my head is at.

Again, I refuse to lose 3 games in a row to a fake clear, so.

The timing and phrasing of the Malcolm flip indicates their partners are not voting for them at the time the slip was made, that cleared Stephen and clears house on spew.

I get the Steven one... but House had been moving his vote around a decent amount.

Call it me not wanting to let go of my pet read but are you certain we're taking them off the board? It's sufficient to take them off the board for at least today, I'm not arguing that.

But is this on the same level of clear as You Nora and SM are, or is this just "more likely not to be"?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

can someone just explain to me the mech conf clears and the house spew clear? Flea specifically because it seems like fae has all the cards WRT that?

I get the Flea clear, given Malcom slipped TO FLEA. Just need to fact check the others before I start realigning where my head is at.

Again, I refuse to lose 3 games in a row to a fake clear, so.

The timing and phrasing of the Malcolm flip indicates their partners are not voting for them at the time the slip was made, that cleared Stephen and clears house on spew.

I get the Steven one... but House had been moving his vote around a decent amount.

Call it me not wanting to let go of my pet read but are you certain we're taking them off the board? It's sufficient to take them off the board for at least today, I'm not arguing that.

But is this on the same level of clear as You Nora and SM are, or is this just "more likely not to be"?

He's completely off the board for me, The timing of the vote and VC are enough for me, I'll go back and get approx timeframes if it helps you. Barring YOLO I don't touch house at all here.

It's that 100% clear? Even if House was bussing?

Like... I'm going to propose a scenario to you and you tell me if that would make sense from the timing. I'm just going to choose to trust your perspective on it since I know you're town and you have the info.

If House is bussing, could the written message have been a kind of "back off" or even a "go ahead and bus me I'm dead" style message that was written without thought BECAUSE of House bussing?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Lol.

The kill boner is strong with this one.

I think you know this is an offensive thing to say to a trans woman but incase you don't?

Stop.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

You were warned.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I've done nothing but be cordial this game with you while you treat me poorly, say bigoted things and refuse to accept blame or apologize when you do something wrong.

I could happily go the rest of my life without dealing with more of that, so I'm not going to be the one to deal with it.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like it is very apparent to me that you were having a great time making jokes at my expense and talking down to me until I told you I would be reporting you.

And both times when I suggested I would be referring this behaviour to moderation, you went from disrespectful to aggressive.

I've dealt with hundreds of men like you in my workplaces. I'm honestly exhausted with it, and I don't need another one in a party game I play online for fun and relaxation.

So think what you want of me, your opinion doesn't matter to me in the slightest.

But you will face consequences for being a jerk, every time you're a jerk. And if you're not happy with facing consequences, might I suggest evaluating your own behaviour and not being a jerk.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

can someone just explain to me the mech conf clears and the house spew clear? Flea specifically because it seems like fae has all the cards WRT that?

I get the Flea clear, given Malcom slipped TO FLEA. Just need to fact check the others before I start realigning where my head is at.

Again, I refuse to lose 3 games in a row to a fake clear, so.

The timing and phrasing of the Malcolm flip indicates their partners are not voting for them at the time the slip was made, that cleared Stephen and clears house on spew.

I get the Steven one... but House had been moving his vote around a decent amount.

Call it me not wanting to let go of my pet read but are you certain we're taking them off the board? It's sufficient to take them off the board for at least today, I'm not arguing that.

But is this on the same level of clear as You Nora and SM are, or is this just "more likely not to be"?

He's completely off the board for me, The timing of the vote and VC are enough for me, I'll go back and get approx timeframes if it helps you. Barring YOLO I don't touch house at all here.

It's that 100% clear? Even if House was bussing?

Like... I'm going to propose a scenario to you and you tell me if that would make sense from the timing. I'm just going to choose to trust your perspective on it since I know you're town and you have the info.

If House is bussing, could the written message have been a kind of "back off" or even a "go ahead and bus me I'm dead" style message that was written without thought BECAUSE of House bussing?

If I'm at 99% clear I put house at 95% which is the highest I can give for that kinda spew.

Kay.

I'll do more of the actual work this game needs later.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

A scum slip aside, this game was very townsided. I tried to play to win up until Strange Matter didn't die and then Dunn was a Friendly Neighbour... and then....


Look the scumslip made the result much more heavily obvious but... I don't think scum wins this game.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Yeah the moment House used Math, someone I have a close bond with, as a way to try and explain away his actions, it made it hurt more cause I knew math would be hurt?

And then he replaced into the game and had to live in this world too?

I hated it.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Deploying hugs.

I am sorry LLD.

I did what I could to give you a fair shake but yeah this needs words after work.

I am sorry for what House did and how he tried to use me as a token.
That’s 100% not fair to you at all.

I can’t sneak a good lengthy response in.

It’s not fair to both LLD & you.

Like the fuck.

I love you both, but House that was totally uncalled for. Especially to use Math in that to try to make an insult feel ‘better’ and even worse is Math is someone you consider your friend.

It’s not but I have to work now
But I wanted to make sure LLD knew I cared and tried before I have to disappear

The love is felt. You did your dilligence. <3

[Lady Lambdadelta]

ok now I've read yeah that slip clearing 3 people with SM being optimised definitely put in a dint in the game.
Only real info I think we got from dead chat was Dunn being cleared and honestly I don't think that was so much of an advantage. I save a potential miselim but given Nora's read rate on Dunn I wasn't voting there ever.

Doctor to protect the functional cop that SM had become, An Innocent Child, a mechanics read that confirms once one scum neighbourizer flips the town one is probably town...

The things are just too much. The game was essentially won on PoE

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD so supportive in scum PT.

I tried.