MT 2263: Web of Lies - Game Over

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VOTE: Bell

I think the game as a whole was feeling Enchant vibes but I think Bell is more likely than Enchant here.

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Okay, so Morning Tweet is not in another PT outside of the ones that I am in.

VOTE: StrangeMatter

Easiest vote ever MT and I are in a PT she neighborized me

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StrangeMatter hasn’t been added yet far as I can tell but I would give it an hour or so first. Mod actions sometimes take a minute or sometimes things can be delayed

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Give me a sec to refresh

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Phone lag

VOTE: Bell

Sorry folks false alarm

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It's just Enchant and Bell?

I think it’s Bell and someone else.

It’s kinda a spicy read though so I kinda wanna flip Bell first as I think Bell slipped

But I understand majority of the game thinks Enchant so I am okay with that if people want to elim enchant more

[MathBlade]

that lowkey makes no sense unless SM is scum or prs ig. ok nvm probably prs.

Kinda funny because I think scum might have no killed

But it’s a moon logic math theory

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Probably just a protect and I am paranoid. But feels off

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Hmm ok so SM and Morning are now mech clear i think. barring some guilty, that should be right.
Dunn is very town.

A tier lower is everyone in the neighborhood i made.

And the rest make up the poe~

You’re also mech clear.

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mathy feels very towny this game compared to squid game scumbuttunclebear :p

That’s when you should worry. Jk

But yeah I think we need to send Bell to Greotus.

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Bell said they were gonna try to push SM in our hood
Then worried about how they were gonna defend themselves after.

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Please explain how SM is mech clear?

I understand that their role is confirmed, but not their alignment.

I think that it makes more sense as a town role, so they are not a scum read of mine, but I would not call them mech clear

Let me put it this way. If they ever lie what happens at the start of day happens.

They can’t fake an inno on a buddy.
They can fake a guilty then they die the next day

So regardless they are telling the truth

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So on the off chance SM is scum let them stick around and clear everyone lmao

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Bell said they were gonna try to push SM in our hood
Then worried about how they were gonna defend themselves after.

what if we just flashwagon bell

I like this plan.

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I think copying and pasting goes against the spirit

But I summarized and paraphrased best I could.

If you all disagree I get it and it’s why I understand where vibes are going and if it is Enchant it is.

But I really think it’s Bell

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Ooh hey let’s play a game:

If I am Jailkeeper I jailkept Lukewarm
If I am doctor I protected StrangeMatter
If I am Roleblocker I roleblocked Bell

Everyone else do it so we can give protective cover

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i mean heres the thing. last night i was thinking about it and there was a couple possiblities.
1) SM is killed overnight. This places suspicion on Morning. In this scenario i believe morning is likely town and SM is killed for wifom purposes since no one really TRs morning but also they cant have another clear
2) Morning is killed overnight. This would be a strange kill but it could go either way. No conclusion
3) Someone else is killed overnight. SM is almost always scum in this situation unless RBed. They should always be worried about the SM-morning dynamic if both are town.

Given a no kill and a clear on morning (no RB), i think number 1 was what happened. idk it might be wrong but pretty sure SM is just mech clear here.

I has theory.

It’s spicy.

It’s probably not right and gonna come back up but I have noted for posterity

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Mathy im gonna scumread you for fun ok >:3

Okay. Long as it’s just for fun and not like for realsies.

I am having a bad day and want a scum elim pwease <3

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i mean heres the thing. last night i was thinking about it and there was a couple possiblities.
1) SM is killed overnight. This places suspicion on Morning. In this scenario i believe morning is likely town and SM is killed for wifom purposes since no one really TRs morning but also they cant have another clear
2) Morning is killed overnight. This would be a strange kill but it could go either way. No conclusion
3) Someone else is killed overnight. SM is almost always scum in this situation unless RBed. They should always be worried about the SM-morning dynamic if both are town.

Given a no kill and a clear on morning (no RB), i think number 1 was what happened. idk it might be wrong but pretty sure SM is just mech clear here.

Or we can wait for the claimed protective to out their target before we write anyone off as mech clear lol

(Claimed in a hood)

but then i wont get to be in on the secret because no one neighborized me ;c you all excluding me

Not by choice

My super sekret 314 shot Joat only has hyperpost, Jailkeep, doctor, roleblock, and attempt jokes

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hyperpost

You have been shot with a hyperpost ray

You now may hyperpost if you wish

There’s a message on the laser that says please use sparingly. Working out the bugs.

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Okay, so Morning Tweet is not in another PT outside of the ones that I am in.

ty

Okay, so Morning Tweet is not in another PT outside of the ones that I am in.

VOTE: StrangeMatter

Easiest vote ever MT and I are in a PT she neighborized me

what

My phone lagged

Apple was crapple

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MB, question.
Why didn't you share LLD's full claim in the mass neighborhood?
Your entire PoE was in the thread LLD posted their role in.
So why deny the town information?

Because while I have a PoE
I am a replacement and don’t just go sharing unverified claims
Especially when unsure if they are true or not.

I was and still am working on incomplete information.

I figure if the hood was pure then whether LLD claimed invest or mason or protective then scum don’t know

Do I think it’s pure? Obviously not

Do I trust the claim? Not sure.

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OH MATHBLADE im going to cry. my last braincell finally passed away

It’s okay

My abbreviation is literally “My bad” we all make mistakes

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- Dead town can speak forever if they're in a created hood
- Town can speak during night
- Town Loud Backup Modified Traffic Analyst Neighbor (Stephen)
- an average of 2.5ish neighbourizers for town
- a limited cop of sorts (Strange)

MB, question.
Why didn't you share LLD's full claim in the mass neighborhood?
Your entire PoE was in the thread LLD posted their role in.
So why deny the town information?

Are u talkin to me?

Give me a second gonna drop a theory in our hood. I want you to verify me

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I feel like Im the only one who is assuming Flea/MathBlade/(Steph) are town literally every time due to Malcolm. Am I wrong?

I think the main issue is we don’t know what scum have or don’t have here.

I think there’s a bit of give and take but I think Mafia losing a neighborizer that could fuck with SM hurt a lot

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Night 1 begins!

You are all gathered around a gigantic table. Each of you is holding several cards in your hands. One of you asks the person to their left, "Do you have any threes?" They respond, "Nope, go fish!" The first person then gets up in a fit of rage and leaves the room. They are never seen again.

MalcolmTucker,

Mafia Neighborizer Neighbor

, faded into obscurity day 1.

Night ends on Friday, February 18, 2022, 10:30 AM EST (UTC-5:00) or in (expired on 2022-02-18 10:30:00).

Night actions are due at least 15 minutes before the deadline.

Since day ended before he responded, GrandpaMo must respond to the night start pm.

Fast night is an option if all living players agree to it.

Malcolm was a neighborizer

That was pretty pro scum if SM is town

We coordinate something then Malcolm could hood around it.

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Night 1 begins!

You are all gathered around a gigantic table. Each of you is holding several cards in your hands. One of you asks the person to their left, "Do you have any threes?" They respond, "Nope, go fish!" The first person then gets up in a fit of rage and leaves the room. They are never seen again.

MalcolmTucker,

Mafia Neighborizer Neighbor

, faded into obscurity day 1.

Night ends on Friday, February 18, 2022, 10:30 AM EST (UTC-5:00) or in (expired on 2022-02-18 10:30:00).

Night actions are due at least 15 minutes before the deadline.

Since day ended before he responded, GrandpaMo must respond to the night start pm.

Fast night is an option if all living players agree to it.

Malcolm was a neighborizer

That was pretty pro scum if SM is town

We coordinate something then Malcolm could hood around it.

Malcolm got that role randomly though.

Are you sure? There’s no reason scum don’t also have a neighborizer and randomly get one?

The odds of all town neighborizers is very low

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Oh you mean like normal neighbourizer and 4 random ones. Fair enough although that is a little cheeky

Possible.
It’s around 80% (little less) they get at least one

But mainly I kinda think we should elim Bell today. I think he’s scummy.

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I would like vote LLD since i'm not swayed on no kill

But I havent talked to her at all since we dont have a hood and no one has said the friggen claim

It's possible I don't even understand the claim right. Is LLD claiming to have prevented a kill (or to likely have done so)

Pokes check the hood please *puppy eyes*

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But I havent talked to her at all since we dont have a hood and no one has said the friggen claim

yeah can the claim just be posted here. its not like scum dont already know it so like let's have all of town get to see it too.

I gave it to MT. If she says so in the hood I will out it.

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Whelp I guess since the cat is out of the bag I don’t believe it.

Macho implies another protective which TPRs are stacked.

Plus the N1 heal target didn’t vibe with me.

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My spicy theory is that LLD wanted to join the confs and no killed to try to do so.
But this setup with talk after death doesn’t support a direct protective

Probably should have claimed Rolestopper or blocker of some kind

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i think i believe it maybe? i mean the prs arent really that stacked? like i think the reviewing process just glazed tf over the fact that SM's role wasnt totally useless. because when i first heard it, i thought it was really useless.

Macho and guarding Flea N1 doesn’t make sense though

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You can speak in the neighbourhoods after death though which is super pro town

That too
A doctor is wholly unneeded.
It just feels bad.

Like I was gonna push LLD tomorrow if I lived and gonna do Bell today because I just don’t have the heart to push LLD :/ But that claim was pretty bad

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i think i believe it maybe? i mean the prs arent really that stacked? like i think the reviewing process just glazed tf over the fact that SM's role wasnt totally useless. because when i first heard it, i thought it was really useless.

Macho and guarding Flea N1 doesn’t make sense though

why not?

Macho is a useless modifier unless another protective exists
Which I doubt

Guarding Flea who caught the slip over the two conf towns who were cleared and roles unknown doesn’t make much sense. Iirc SM also claimed D1 or was it D2 I can’t read my notes

Either way scum don’t shoot Flea as that reveals 2 clears
They kill the clears individually then come back for Flea

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ok yeah that doesnt make sense. this game is litearlly like townsided even with no prs @_@ what the heck

My thoughts exactly:

I kinda wanna elim Bell for his reaction complaining I didn’t spread obvious bullshit
Then LLD unless LLD wants to scum claim and be first

I just want to give her the chance to defend herself

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And then you keep playing out EVERY OTHER DAY PHASE CAUSE YOU'RE FRIGGEWN IMMORTAL

(i'm trying to emphasize how strong i feel town is in this setup at least from a mech standpoint)

I dont think town is so strong they auto win via mech but i do think town has insane dayplay and nightplay since we never have to take breaks not for death not for nighttime which is usually scum's time to take a break

They can't because they have to keep hoodposting

It’s why Shadowrun was so difficult as scum

We lost a scum buddy D1 then had like 2v billion with hoods

That game almost broke me

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i think i believe it maybe? i mean the prs arent really that stacked? like i think the reviewing process just glazed tf over the fact that SM's role wasnt totally useless. because when i first heard it, i thought it was really useless.

Macho and guarding Flea N1 doesn’t make sense though

why not?

Macho is a useless modifier unless another protective exists
Which I doubt

Guarding Flea who caught the slip over the two conf towns who were cleared and roles unknown doesn’t make much sense. Iirc SM also claimed D1 or was it D2 I can’t read my notes

Either way scum don’t shoot Flea as that reveals 2 clears
They kill the clears individually then come back for Flea

Strange had not claimed yet (claimed middle of night 1, lld could not see it)

I felt like the scum kill would have been between Stephen and Flea. Both seemed equally cleared by the Malcolm flip.

House to a lesser extent

Unprompted though?

There’s no reason to claim though

She’s just like

“Well I think I need to claim”

Like lmao

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Also fakeclaims have fake modifiers all the time.

You make a good point that Macho makes not a lot of sense. But that's kinda WIFOM for you I guess. It sounds so out there that it must be true kinda thing.

Why did you take the claim for granted when you first heard it as well as tbh still now?

pedit: Oh LLD claimed this middle of night one?

VOTE: LLD

No she claimed last night

I didn’t believe it immediately but benefit of doubt since that catastrophe we shouldn’t mention happened

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Also fakeclaims have fake modifiers all the time.

You make a good point that Macho makes not a lot of sense. But that's kinda WIFOM for you I guess. It sounds so out there that it must be true kinda thing.

Why did you take the claim for granted when you first heard it as well as tbh still now?

pedit: Oh LLD claimed this middle of night one?

VOTE: LLD

No she claimed last night

I didn’t believe it immediately but benefit of doubt since that catastrophe we shouldn’t mention happened

Oh

Do you think it's believable that LLD claimed because of that then? I see

No I don’t.

I called her out on it soon as she claimed it.

I think she claimed because she needed something to townfirm her and came up with the idea and no killed

I just didn’t have the heart to push too hard on it

I just said like “Macho doesn’t make sense”.

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Don't see why LLD wouldn't just shoot SM or MT.

I guess LLD might have claimed Macho to prevent a counter claim from another protective.

Shooting SM would have people ask why she didn’t protect SM
Shooting MT is a complicit shot that SM is town and the damage is still done
Scum have to sneak into the town locks and get out of the PoE
So LLD likely gambited to put herself there.

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The PoE due to things LLD wasn’t aware of is actually much smaller than she thinks and so soon as she did that she kinda scumfirmed herself to me

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all aboard. one townpass per person if this flips scum. if not, sowwy ;-;

VOTE: LLD

Claiming mine.

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If Bell was town he’d see the claim as BS.

With X after death there’s almost never a true protective.

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I'm not giving it any leniency at all though.
I'm pretty much going through all the things I can think of to explore it and where I decide to stand on it.
It should be noted that I don't know how to push LLD though.

Devils advocate

What are you undecided on?

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all aboard. one townpass per person if this flips scum. if not, sowwy ;-;

VOTE: LLD

Claiming mine.

welcome aboard!!!!! we haz hot choco and lots of marshmallows!!

I will take marshmallows. I can’t has chocolate

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@Lukewarm Understandable.
@Noraa that works! Just can’t have caffeine

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actually no im bored of waiting
blood for the blood gods
FLASHWAGON TIME~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee if i kill a town pr, im terribly sorry but its ok we'll still win hehe
VOTE: LLD

I will not be voting LLD prior to her getting to the thread

but the blood gods cant wait any longer!!!!

I will give them a sacrifice of my software. It has my blood for now

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I mean her claim is pretty obviously fake Bell.

It’s more a matter of if she owns up to it and explains herself

If she claims it’s true I am just gonna be like “nope” and check out prolly.

It was that bad.

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With X after death there’s almost never a true protective.

This feels overly simplistic.

In the Isekai uPick game, the theme of the game was that upon death you were Isekai'd to the dead thread - where you would play mini games, and if you won you got to do something that affected the main thread. (I was able to send a letter to any living player for the game I won for example).

That game had two doctors lol

Spoiler:

well, 1 was a doctor and the other was a JOAT with a doctor option

That was also a UPick. This is not. It’s specifically themed around communication.

The game never stopping is a huge boon for town and I have said this after my hood games.

You really have to downplay power if you take away nights.

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Awww cute fluffies

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... technology

This is from when I was scum with a lot of hoods and there was talk after death in some ways.

I kinda know what to look for here I think

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I don't want to consider eliminating the doctor claim without another protective claim

That’s what the fake claim is designed for. :/

It is well designed but it’s bad

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Spoiler: Luke being unfairly scoldy

I feel like it was anti-town for there to be so much talk about not believing a doctor claim before LLD made it to the thread to either confirm their claim, or walk it back. And we probably should have all chilled until we heard more

Meh I started too but then it sorta got outed and I felt I had to explain myself

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Outing her claim was fine.

Everyone saying whether they believed her claim, or if that meant too much town power, ect was probably not smart

Yeah it was a rock and a hard place

I don’t think I really picked wrong though

If most of town agrees we can just do Bell and get LLD tomorrow

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VOTE: Bell

Baaaah I am Math Sheep!

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ok off to bed lmao leading flashwagons is tiring stuff

It’s okay. We know you have ESPN to the dead thread

Good night

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Awww no points for Mean girls

Fine

I will take my points and try to sleep as well.

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1: MathBlade -> Me town and Malcolm slip from before
3: Dunnstral -> Prob town because reasons
4: Lady Lambdadelta
6: Lukewarm -> Prob town because reasons
7: Enchant
8: Bell
9: StrangeMatter -> Cleared a shit ton of people
11: Morning Tweet -> Clear by SM
12: Noraa -> Clear by SM
13: Flea The Magician -> Clear by catching Malcolm

There’s kinda no one left Bell which is why if you’re town you’d have been sus of LLD

But you being sus of Enchant I think means you + LLD lock

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I mean not really.

It’s a PoE of three and has been since I replaced in
Whoever two of the three want first is town

You and LLD wanted Enchant first

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Mathblade, I genuinely wish you wouldn't take everything I say and use it to affirm your initial position.

But I mean it kinda does though?

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I don't recall you arguing hard for either an enchant elimination or an LLD elimination.

Correct.

I thought and still do think Enchant is town so no point there

And I didn’t have the heart to push LLD especially after events and her claim

So that left and leaves you.

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I don’t always have to argue for my top scumread especially when it would make it unfun.

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You've only played with me like 10 times Dunnstral. You'd think you'd have opinions by now.

If his response is usual why be suspicious?

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If you don't think they're scum they're not in your PoE. For example, Dunnstral isn't in your PoE, without an explanation.
But If I wanted to point out how everything you say is is in error, I'd be here for an exceptionally long time.

Oh there’s an explanation I am just not sharing it

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I’d have more luck eliminating Ircher than Dunn. Dunn probably never gets elimmed

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I mean I fail to see what exactly this nets you?

Insulting me won’t make me elim someone who is innocent child levels of inno to me

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I think I am being nice

I am sorry I am hurting your feelings

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I think you did?

And if you didn’t there’s LLD + Enchant?

I don’t see what the big deal is. From your POV game is solved?

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I can appreciate the irony of a scumslip handing us the game and then it becoming a distraction in future phases

The scumslip has not and has never mattered to me though I just care about LLD and the claim, nothing else. But we're talking about all of this instead and it's getting frustrating

I keep trying to talk in here cause i dont like hoods and i want to hear everyone

I must admit I don't envy Math's current position cause he must know no matter who he pushes he's gonna get so much pushback

Yeah

Post game there’s gonna be words.

I kinda wanna get to post game ASAP just to rip off the bandaid

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My PoE is broader than yours is, Math.

I think the PoE is in (SM, LLD, Dunnstral, Enchant)
and probably(but not likely based on play, more on Noraa's side than on MT's) an outgrowth where Noraa or MT can be scum if SM is.

Dunn has an inno
SM can’t be scum.

Your PoE is fixed

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Oh.
Nobody told me he has an Inno.

Don't see why SM can't actually be scum though.
I mean from the perspective of a game designer adding power elsewhere and giving town a back up to a scum safe claim seems reasonable to me.
Regardless of how limited that role may be by the choices people made in regards to the 4 job threads.

Yeah Dunn’s a mech clear

SM can’t be scum.

They’ve literally put themselves in a loss.

Assume SM + Enchant

Assume we elim you and LLD and both flip town
Then elim Enchant next day
Then SM v what 5 ish?

I don’t wanna count it.

SM scum just loses.

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If LLD flips town kill Dunn

Unless you think town cop dunn and town doctor LLD can both exist with all the aforementioned town power we've been over

in which case, id be interested in hearing more about that theory

Never kill Dunn
Check the hood MT

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Understandable
Just the PoE is literally LLD you and Enchant

And if it’s not gg something is very very wrong

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I think... Math is right and StrangeMatter, if scum, has caused themself to lose the game by claiming as many innos as they have

IF. and only if that is true

Then it's game over, vote LLD

That is the game as I understand it

Pretty much where I am at. I don’t see SM scum winning if they are.

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Stephen! THANK GOD

I am glad he didnt target Strange. That just makes the game too confusing.

God I am an idiot
It’s midnight and similar names and telephone

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Stephen! THANK GOD

I am glad he didnt target Strange. That just makes the game too confusing.

I think that was his night 2 target lol

I am having name tsunami typing on my phone at midnight without my notes

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Stephen! THANK GOD

I am glad he didnt target Strange. That just makes the game too confusing.

God I am an idiot
It’s midnight and similar names and telephone

No, it was both lol

well that was confusing as fuck

In any case if there was any miscommunication anywhere ur good. It was probably on me if there was

It all makes a lot more sense now I think

Wouldn’t be surprised if me lol

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Stephen! THANK GOD

I am glad he didnt target Strange. That just makes the game too confusing.

God I am an idiot
It’s midnight and similar names and telephone

No, it was both lol

well that was confusing as fuck

In any case if there was any miscommunication anywhere ur good. It was probably on me if there was

It all makes a lot more sense now I think

Wouldn’t be surprised if me lol

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Trying to keep track of this is a pain.

But yeah I think LLD needs to explain or die.

Probably the latter

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Yeah I tried doing that by suggesting the fake claim stuff

But yeah when Bell poked me I sorta was cagey then blah

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It’s past midnight I work at 8:30
PoE is set
My head is killing me

I kinda think scum no killed but at this point

I am MathSheep
Hear me baaaah

UNVOTE:

I will be baaaaaahck later today after work

Vote edited for Thesp's vote counter.
~Ircher

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LLD and Bell makes the most sense to me tbh. Will check stuff after work.

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My preferred order is LLD,Bell,Enchant

But really could go for any of those three
Arguments can be made either way.

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Deploying hugs.

I am sorry LLD.

I did what I could to give you a fair shake but yeah this needs words after work.

I am sorry for what House did and how he tried to use me as a token.
That’s 100% not fair to you at all.

I can’t sneak a good lengthy response in.

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Agreed.

I think losing Malcolm early made you a true cop.

The game always going is a HUGE boost for town.

LLD I hope you can forgive me for pushing you how I did. I tried to be gentle and still in wincon.

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Hi, i genuine didn't notice slip when i hammered my teammate.

You were dealt a shit hand of cards tbh.

Sorry Bell for misreading you.

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Just a few comments on balance:

1) I think the impact of being able to speak after death was underestimated quite a bit. I think that's the biggest flaw in the setup's balance. Mafia did receive this benefit too however.
2) The traffic analyst role honestly did a lot better than I expected. We basically agreed in review that it was a fairly weak role given the neighborhood chaos.
3) While we expected some kind of neighborhood massclaim early on, we didn't expect such open communication of information between the neighborhoods.
4) The scum slip cleared a bunch of people and certainly didn't help the setup's balance.
5) I will be hosting a Web of Lies 2 in the near future due to the scum slip. It won't be the same setup. If you have suggestions, please fill out my survey.

My suggestions having had been scum and town as a game without an actual night, treat it like a 1 shot cop for balance reasons. For players used to hoods such as me, it’s not as bad, but if players aren’t used to eternal hood games it has major town swing.

That’s what I can think of off the top of my head.

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A scum slip aside, this game was very townsided. I tried to play to win up until Strange Matter didn't die and then Dunn was a Friendly Neighbour... and then....


Look the scumslip made the result much more heavily obvious but... I don't think scum wins this game.

Agreed. I think this probably was way too townsided

Protectives should be nerfed or banned in talk after death games

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The main reason is mostly fatigue

Scum have an uphill battle in that the dead can talk after they die.
Leaving in the possibility of no death at night just extends that fatigue.
Instead of a doctor I would use something like a Vanillizer that acts before the check. I would have to chew through the ramifications.

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Deploying hugs.

I am sorry LLD.

I did what I could to give you a fair shake but yeah this needs words after work.

I am sorry for what House did and how he tried to use me as a token.
That’s 100% not fair to you at all.

I can’t sneak a good lengthy response in.

It’s not fair to both LLD & you.

Like the fuck.

I love you both, but House that was totally uncalled for. Especially to use Math in that to try to make an insult feel ‘better’ and even worse is Math is someone you consider your friend.

It’s not but I have to work now
But I wanted to make sure LLD knew I cared and tried before I have to disappear

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Yeah the moment House used Math, someone I have a close bond with, as a way to try and explain away his actions, it made it hurt more cause I knew math would be hurt?

And then he replaced into the game and had to live in this world too?

I hated it.

Yeah. I took the slot without realizing the ban thread or reading because I thought it would be a fun hood game. That’s entirely my bad. I just like hood games.

That being said imho it would have been worse to have someone else replace in then tell me after

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Flea Gg House is scum who lost and everyone else won!

Yes I can’t read but I am going with this.
LLD and Enchant don’t deserve the L

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The main issue is I think a lot of people don’t have experience with talk after death and other things they don’t realize how powerful certain roles are. They’ve only seen them in a weak form so they’re assumed a weak PR.

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I think this suffered from trying to be everything at once versus a focus.

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How did yall manage to townread Dunn btw? sometimes he just doesnt try and its always felt a little more common on scum to me

I didn’t. I just trusted the friendly neighbor

I used the line of “eventually Dunn will be a townread” to see if I could bait LLD into scumreading Dunn and it was accurate because eventually Dunn being FN will be outed

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Mainly even with the not slip it was more I was pretty sure LLD was scum even before the claim and didn’t want to push her
Noraa and the others voted her but I just couldn’t push her

I don’t think LLD dies here but maybe she does

I just had a PoE of three even before the slip. So I was predisposed looking for any little thing sorry

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I kinda spoke a bit in the ban feedback thread a little of the pain that was going on but I needed help to push her and not you

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My dog died during this game. So I didn’t read much but the absolute end of the exchange between house and LLD and never read back.
Maybe I will anyway, later but all I got from it was that house misgendered LLD and refusing to apologize or back down because I guess if you don’t respect someone you can call them whatever you want which yeah. Good ban was good.

It’s a lot worse than that but I kinda need to be 18+ to explain why just yes ban is good

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And May your dog enjoy doggy Heaven or a peaceful rest

Bones for doggo

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My dog died during this game.

Same...

More bones for doggos.

Damn this game