MT 2263: Web of Lies - Game Over

[House]

I'm Masons with Lukewarm.

Had some fun with theater in the hood we share.

[House]

Speaking of hoods

Since Lukewarm is apparently a leaking larry anyways and there are no secrets

I think Enchant and Almost50 are both votable from our hood

That's okay, I think all 3 of you are, and I haven't seen the first word from your hood.

[House]

Hiaa house! hi dunn! hi LLD! (hi A50 luke) hi enchanttt (hi bell hi taly/cupcake hi again stephen hi grandpa hi flea)

Always a pleasure!

Lukewarm thinks/thought you're scum. Say it ain't so!

[House]

MT didn't tell me she's not scum.

I has a sads.

[House]

i feel bad for those not living on dranlon street and/or whichever other hood it is that had the action

If you're only in one hood, how do you not know its name??

[House]

What do you mean whichever other hood?

VOTE: MorningTweet

[House]

i feel bad for those not living on dranlon street and/or whichever other hood it is that had the action

If you're only in one hood, how do you not know its name??

I'm in dranlon

i have no idea which other hood has the action i just know that i think luke and like.. isn't it you that spoke about it?

You literally are the one who told me it was lively

I'm in Silvar Street hood.

UNVOTE:

You made it sound like you were in multiple hoods somehow. Only Lukie gets that priv.

[House]

Shouldn't you be accusing me if I

DID

know the hood's name? I don't know it because I'm not in it

You made it sound like your neighborhood, service you didn't even remember the name of, was lively, and that you were in other ones too.

[House]

Shouldn't you be accusing me if I

DID

know the hood's name? I don't know it because I'm not in it

You made it sound like your neighborhood, which* you didn't even remember the name of, was lively, and that you were in other ones too.

[House]

I don't wanna scumread you, but you didn't tell me you were town when I asked so now I'm paranoid.

[House]

that made me exhale kinda hard

pedit: That's an appearances thing to answer a question like that

i only bother with appearances when im scum

I don't care what others think of appearances and how things should look.

You should know that from our last game together.

[House]

i actually got my ass chewed out for not answering grandpas question earlier

he asked me if i was scared. i didnt respond. needless to say, i got in trouble

Are you skurred?

[House]

That's not an answer. That's an evasion!

[House]

YES! THATS WHAT HE SAID

I know. He told me in the scum pt and I was like, " how bad would she freak out if I said the same thing?"

[House]

(Actual reason is because I used to watch Lie to Me)

[House]

YES! THATS WHAT HE SAID

I know. He told me in the scum pt and I was like, " how bad would she freak out if I said the same thing?"

Clearly, the answer is, "Very much!"

i felt probably in the upper ranges of 100 emotions at once

This is hilarious!

[House]

niiiiiice going, House

What good is a game is you can't have a little fun?

[House]

(I am assuming that since I was put into an agriculture based hood, everyone else got put into 3 hoods based on their career choice)

That seems to be the case.

[House]

I think if we kill scum on d1, whichever initial hood that scum was in should be considered a masonry.

Scum will likely kill Lukewarm to keep him from feeding the scum-free hood info from the other hoods.

[House]

I think if we kill scum on d1, whichever initial hood that scum was in should be considered a masonry.

Why?

Do you seriously think 2 scum are going to be in any of the 3 initial hoods when Lukewarm is the only one that repeats across them?

[House]

My theory is that each of the 3 hoods were seeded with 1 scum each.

[House]

Up!

[House]

Only works if you are assuming that the mod guaranteed the 1:1:1 split, and that is pretty bold assumption.

Pretty fair assumption, for a game titled, "Web of Lies".

[House]

My theory is that each of the 3 hoods were seeded with 1 scum each.

But I see you are a bold player lol

[House]

The more Dunn doesn't like it, the more I do.

[House]

VOTE: House

I don't buy any of your stances this game, starting with the morning tweet stuff, then your take on the hoods, and finally your unexplained hostility towards me

I don't buy you not buying me being hostile and having weird opinions.

VOTE: Dunnstral

An OMGUS vote for j00.

[House]

Hot take:

I bet scum has a neighborhood spy that can read all mod generated hoods... but... maybe not the neighborized ones?

[House]

Only scum needs to be concerned about having statements that don't get them scrutinized.

[House]

Hot take:

I bet scum has a neighborhood spy that can read all mod generated hoods... but... maybe not the neighborized ones?

Maybe I have that backwards? That might make more sense, actually.

[House]

Can you explain why you are townreading Lukewarm?

He gives me warm fuzzies.

You don't.

[House]

Can you explain why you are townreading Lukewarm?

Also?

[House]

I'm Masons with Lukewarm.

Had some fun with theater in the hood we share.

[House]

I'm tempted to scumread LLD just to see how long it takes for the rage show to begin.

[House]

I'm wondering how you can think what you are thinking in 85 but simultaneously have Lukewarm as unexplained hard town without reevaluating

Hood spies aren't participants.

They're read only.

But go ahead. Shade Luke. See how that goes for you.

[House]

I was a Town Neighborizer/PT Spy in a game (neighborized 2 players per night and spied on the hood), I know how the mechanic works.

[House]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=87655

Was an awesome game.

[House]

Dunn, have you and Malcolm gotten acquainted in the scum pt yet?

[House]

Why did you run away?

And don't give me no "it was late, I went to bed" business, sleep is for the weak!

[House]

Dunn, have you and Malcolm gotten acquainted in the scum pt yet?

no

UNVOTE:

You guys should at least have time to talk first.

[House]

VOTE: Almost50

Obligatory monkey OMGUS.

[House]

[House]

It's late, I'm going to bed.

[House]

*doesn’t know what Dunnstrall was trying to do there*

[House]

Bell, would I know you under another name?

(Not asking what it is if this isn't a public alt)

[House]

the last game we played together

When was this a thing?

[House]

Hey first.

House, lukewarm and I are town.

Best of luck to the scum team!

How was the way I'm playing a factor in post 8?

[House]

Fair enough.

[House]

I trusted Lukewarm's description of your play from across neighborhoods.
You'll see it when the game is over.

My Dunn scumread isn't a meme, btw.

[House]

I don't trust Bell at all this game, this is a first.

All of a sudden, any lingering doubts I had are vanishing!

[House]

Dunn came in pissing in Cheerios.

Strange tactic, but not a town one.

[House]

gang up on dunn party

gang up on dunn party

Hi Dunn

At least let him state with Malcolm first.

[House]

gang up on dunn party

gang up on dunn party

Hi Dunn

At least let him strategize* with Malcolm first.

[House]

It's bed time!
Work tomorrow.

@Dunn: I don't follow. But I can't imagine the point would reveal much.

Good night world.

*snoozes*

Scummy.

Only Mafia sleeps.

Town is too scared.

[House]

Didn't you ask for Dunn to provide examples??

I trust Bell.

By his definition.

And Dunn's.

[House]

Even if he is scum.

[House]

Who do I have to pay to get voted?

[House]

VOTE: Cupcake Butterfly

Run tell dat

[House]

also Malcolm is scum VOTE: Malcolm

outline exactly

Scum

Most people here don't have access to the hood. Why is Malcolm scum in your own words?

Dunn & Malcolm sitting in a tree
S-C-U-M-M-I-N-G

[House]

There are three streets - every player is in exactly one, except me. I am in all 3

There are 4 careers. I am in one alone, because no one else selected agriculture - so there are three career hoods that I am it a part of.

also Malcolm is scum VOTE: Malcolm

outline exactly

Scum

Most people here don't have access to the hood. Why is Malcolm scum in your own words?

Dunn & Malcolm sitting in a tree
S-C-U-M-M-I-N-G

You don't expect me to vote just because Stephen said so, do you?

Of course not.

I'd imagine you'd probably need to be boxed in a bit more to bus on d1.

[House]

particularly suspicious

ok who is writing these lines and why do they sound like they come out of a 1930s Agatha Christie Villain Monologue?

Lol.

Hey man, I agree with you.

Dunn & Malcolm are quite the swinging couple, as far as I'm concerned.

[House]

Malcolm comes back with the witty banter!

[House]

Time to aggro House

+ Dunn, - Malcolm

[House]

I just don't townread either one individually.

They're not vibing with the rest of the players. Kinda defensive for superficial/jokey poking.

[House]

Malcolm in particular seems to be approaching the game rather tentatively.

VOTE: Malcolm

[House]

Up!

[House]

Oops.

[House]

I guess Dunnstral's posts could read as kinda mafia...wanting to know more about the reasoning behind a potential bandwagon before deciding to jump onto it, not going all in on me if they know I'm town, while also not hedging their bets against me either because I could be a useful early town elimination.

I was hoping for something with a bit more spice, but this is a decent take.

[House]

To be fair my defensiveness is probably coming from the fact that I've basically had another player suspecting me before I'd even managed to look at the thread due to a couple of fairly meh posts from the guy I'm replacing. It feels fairly natural to adopt a more defensive approach from that POV when I know I'm not mafia and have basically been perceived as one from the off. But aware that's the hand I've been dealt.

This, I don't agree with.

You had some superficial shade tossed on you based on pregame content. Big deal.

How you reacted to it looked like you deserved it.

[House]

What part of their reaction was suspicious and how do you think that reaction differs from how they would react if town?

I already said. Tentative approach looked like he deserved to be suspected.

Bullshitting around, laughing it off, whatever... that initial impression would have likely just went away.

[House]

To be fair my defensiveness is probably coming from the fact that I've basically had another player suspecting me before I'd even managed to look at the thread due to a couple of fairly meh posts from the guy I'm replacing. It feels fairly natural to adopt a more defensive approach from that POV when I know I'm not mafia and have basically been perceived as one from the off. But aware that's the hand I've been dealt.

This, I don't agree with.

You had some superficial shade tossed on you based on pregame content. Big deal.

How you reacted to it looked like you deserved it.

I don't think my reaction was particularly out of the ordinary or all that bizarre and this is a bit of a reach. An accusation was made against me, I reacted to it in turn and gave reasons as to why I didn't think it was a particularly problematic or suspect post from Medea. And we're at a fairly early point in the game where there's not much I'm going to be able to say to justify the fact I'm town beyond that, hence being flippant in a couple of posts.

Fact I'm a replacement is absolutely relevant too I reckon - in most cases you're arguing on your own merits from the start. Different game when you're coming in after it's started started and from a town POV explaining posts that were made by someone else.

Yes. Your response was carefully reasoned out.

For a pregame, superficial, unfounded hunch.

... kinda my point.

[House]

Dunnstral sorry, dunno where Dunnstrum is coming from.

Dunnstrum = Dunnstral scum

I like it.

[House]

it seems like the fairly sensible path for me to mount a defence when accusations are made to try and help the town down the line instead of just ignoring pressure being put on me.

If you were a PR, perhaps I could understand being paranoid of early suspicion snowballing and hurting town, but...

If that ends up happening then so be it

... I somehow doubt that's your primary concern.

[House]

To be fair my defensiveness is probably coming from the fact that I've basically had another player suspecting me before I'd even managed to look at the thread due to a couple of fairly meh posts from the guy I'm replacing. It feels fairly natural to adopt a more defensive approach from that POV when I know I'm not mafia and have basically been perceived as one from the off. But aware that's the hand I've been dealt.

This, I don't agree with.

You had some superficial shade tossed on you based on pregame content. Big deal.

How you reacted to it looked like you deserved it.

I don't think my reaction was particularly out of the ordinary or all that bizarre and this is a bit of a reach. An accusation was made against me, I reacted to it in turn and gave reasons as to why I didn't think it was a particularly problematic or suspect post from Medea. And we're at a fairly early point in the game where there's not much I'm going to be able to say to justify the fact I'm town beyond that, hence being flippant in a couple of posts.

Fact I'm a replacement is absolutely relevant too I reckon - in most cases you're arguing on your own merits from the start. Different game when you're coming in after it's started started and from a town POV explaining posts that were made by someone else.

Yes. Your response was carefully reasoned out.

For a pregame, superficial, unfounded hunch.

... kinda my point.

I mean for Stephen it's clear much more than a hunch in his view, hence why I was defending myself. Your argument feels incredibly mixed up here...if I make a flippant joke in my defence that's suspect, if I instead try to mount a proper defence of myself then that's also suspect. Surely it can't be both? Weird line of questioning and kinda feels like someone potentially trying to bandwagon an initial accusation that's been made against me.

His push was based on next to nothing. It was a hunch by definition, no matter how strongly he may feel about it.

[House]

What part of their reaction was suspicious and how do you think that reaction differs from how they would react if town?

I already said. Tentative approach looked like he deserved to be suspected.

Bullshitting around, laughing it off, whatever... that initial impression would have likely just went away.

Doesn't answer the question. You don't think that Tentativeness and concern is normal for a player who replaces into a suspected slot over something they didn't do?

Not really. They know what their role pm says. He knows it's pregame.

Scum and arguably town PR have reason to be concerned about early suspicion snowballing, because either loss hurts their team.

If a VT gets voted out over bullshit, that's informative to town because there's clearly some heavy scum involvement to push "scum because pregame neighborhood comments" through to lim.

[House]

Okay, but when that hunch is influencing how someone is actually voting/going to vote it feels perfectly reasonable to respond and refute said accusations. Again...your logic here dictates that you simultaneously seem to think it's weird I replied flippantly but also that I mounted a defence of myself. Which is it?

Likewise it's interesting you're suspecting my responses now while saying you don't actually think Stephen's original hunch was necessarily all that important. Just strikes me as incredibly inconsistent.

You're the only one that is using the word flippantly.

Except just now. With me pointing that out.

[House]

Up!

[House]

My first townreads this game are Lukewarm, LLD, and House.

They are not particularly well-reasoned, but I am comfortable enough to speak them.

Bell doesn't get a nod?

[House]

My first townreads this game are Lukewarm, LLD, and House.

They are not particularly well-reasoned, but I am comfortable enough to speak them.

Bell doesn't get a nod?

Why should he?

That's for you to decide. I thought Bell has been pretty town thus far, just surprised me.

[House]

Perhaps Bell is my next person to give attention to.

How about commentary on this current line of argument that is happening? What is your read on Malcom and what do you think of House's logic?

Who do you think is scum thus far?

(Pick me! Pick me!)

[House]

Perhaps Bell is my next person to give attention to.

How about commentary on this current line of argument that is happening? What is your read on Malcom and what do you think of House's logic?

Who do you think is scum thus far?

(Pick me! Pick me!)

you're fucked if you think i have any strong reads right now, lmfao. not with the day i've had

i'm just stirring the pot to create some content i can sift through later and try to keep myself invested in this game so i don't crater into zero motivation land

If you like drama, motivation shouldn't be a problem in this game.

I'm known for making games... interesting.

[House]

Yeah. The world is shit. I know.

Personally, I play Mafia to get away from the monsters that people can be in favor of bullshitting around.

I don't need reminders of shit I already know first hand.

[House]

I don't understand why house is linking me to Malcolm either. I assume something else happened in the neighborhood that was never explained?

Idk why you think I'm linking you two when I said...

I just don't townread either one individually.

[House]

So, you stopped reading at 189?

[House]

The posts stand on their own

As does 197.

So I'll take that post as a yes to my question.

[House]

I see. Good to know. Thanks

VOTE: Dunnstral

I can support this wagon.

I'll wait until someone else hops on so I can get that coveted 3rd spot on the wagon that everyone wants to scumread.

[House]

Can the both of you shut the fuck up for a second and take a moment to like... hard confirm this under penalty of torture that this isn't a bit?

I don't believe their claim.

I'm not 100% that forcing them to drop that was beneficial to us

Lol.

If I didn't want to vote you before...

VOTE: Dunnstral

[House]

I'm not 100% that forcing them to drop that was beneficial to us

Yeah that was a real buzzkill on LLD's part

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic but if you aren't know that I'm withholding about 40 different swear words relating to how fucked my day has been and not having time for this nonsense and playing slow fundemental basketball (which will include a steven a smith joke) and refusing to deal with nonsense gambits that could lose us the game RN.

I'm going to be real with you

This game is an outlet to try and have fun

Losing it due to a silly page 10 day 1 gambit is really the last of my concerns today and probably yours too

Like even worst case if I threw the game doing that somehow, it's still a game and not worth lobbing insults at all

[House]

I guess that's probably my bad for not keeping my mind on the game enough.

The conclusions so far are all mostly pretty obvious (Basically Luke for most part. House/Bell/someone else being all more likely town is good too) and have been talked about enough

Lock me town in your next post or imma keel you tonight.

[House]

I've been in bliss ignoring that bastard for like the last year and then you meme me.
Put it in spoilers.
Spoilers.
TW.

[House]

So you're more interested in downplaying the weight of my voice rather than dispelling why I voted you.

I am satisfied with my vote.

Empty votes don't mean shit to me either, so there is that.

If anything, it makes you look worse than him. Take that as you will.

[House]

I don't know why you voted me.

I don't care why you voted me.

I ain't your mother.

You want something you say it.

[House]

Day 1 VC #5

House

(1): Dunnstral (83)

Dunnstral

(4) (F-3): Bell (251), Almost50 (255), House (331), Stephen A Smith (341)

Lukewarm

(1): Flea The Magician (179)

Stephen A Smith

(1): Cupcake Butterfly (344)

Flea The Magician

(1): Morning Tweet (27)

Not Voting

(5): MalcolmTucker, Lady Lambdadelta, Lukewarm, Enchant, GrandpaMo

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to fade a player.

Deadlines

This phase will end no later than Sunday, February 27, 2022 10:00:00 PM EST or in (expired on 2022-02-27 22:00:00).

Moderator Notes

1: If you have regular weekend V/LA, please inform me each week.
2: Please let me know if you have a different pronoun preference than listed below.
3: I will be both manually counting votes and using Thesp's vote counter. Please let me know if you see any errors.

Pronoun Key

1: House : he/his
2: MalcolmTucker : he/his
3: Dunnstral : he/his
4: Lady Lambdadelta : she/her
5: Almost50 : he/his
6: Lukewarm : he/his
7: Enchant : no preference
8: Bell : he/his
9: Cupcake Butterfly : he/his
10: Stephen A Smith : he/his
11: Morning Tweet : she/her
12: GrandpaMo : he/his
13: Flea The Magician : fae/faer

NGL, I'm feeling this Dunn wagon.

A50 vote is the only one I'm ? about.

[House]

Hey guys: I'll be frank (not that I'm changing my name that's not what I mean). I have been skimming and even skipping whole conversations and I suspect that will be the case for at least the remainder of Day One (maybe even beyond that). If you don't like it: Vote me out NOW.

Thank you

No fair, I wanted to be the only one scumreading you!

[House]

I think Malcolm needs to die today because this is ambiguous enough that it could go either way.

And so it is hard to justify leaving them alive for too long IMO.

VOTE: Stephen A Smith

Lol, no surprise there.

My 2 scumreads start getting wagoned, and here comes the counter.

[House]

I did!! I've gotten into an argument every time I've opened my dumbass mouth! It's making me think I'm the problem

Don't be silly. You're awesome.

Keep me in your pocket, it's warm & fuzzy.

[House]

Huh? Are you saying Malcolm is a counter to himself?

Dunnstral is voting Stephen in that post, silly.

Open j00r eyes.

[House]

I also think it makes sense for each of the other job pts to have 1 scum in them.

Like, I would have expected the scum team to purposefully submit three different careers, and that one only had flea and Malcolm

The fact there's only one player in Agriculture suggests either that Lukewarm is scum OR scum have a PT Spy and doesn't need to be listed in hoods to read them.

[House]

Maybe Tweet is scum those Bat Ears are looking Susp

[House]

Fine fuck it I'll just say it.

I poked house about his argument because I also felt Malcom/PA were scummy (but was not as certain of it?) And felt their reasoning was bad and concerning

So my secret read is House was setting up a bus on Malcom.

[House]

also look at the content of the post u quoted he's clearly indicating malcolm

Context is overrated.

I'll see what I want, tyvm.

[House]

dat was an accident he meant to vote for malcolm look at his next post

He knows. He knows what he is doing.

I'm not convinced after our last game we played lol

It's sad that you know me better than LLD, but...

[House]

House does an excellent job at getting people to post.

Stupidity does spur corrections.

[House]

Lunchtime is over, gotta pump the brakes on my post storm.

BBL

[House]

Fine fuck it I'll just say it.

I poked house about his argument because I also felt Malcom/PA were scummy (but was not as certain of it?) And felt their reasoning was bad and concerning

So my secret read is House was setting up a bus on Malcom.

House has an argument against Malcolm? All i found is

Dunn, have you and Malcolm gotten acquainted in the scum pt yet?

One last thing... I've been pushing on Malcolm since my entrance because I ain't feeling him.

He has been way too cautious & seems uncomfortable in his own skin.

Okay, I'm gone.

[House]

Claim Malcolm.

I’m against voting scum because I enjoy making scum bus.

At E-2?

[House]

Enchant hasn't gotten on my nerves lately.

That's a little unsettling.

[House]

Why would he claim at E-2?

You should put him at E-1 if you want him to claim.

It's not like any quickhammerers are in the game.

[House]

Up!

[House]

Gottem

[House]

If it's just Malcolm/Dunn/Cuppy this is not going to be a very interesting game

I'd say maybe strike one of those 3 and toss in Enchant.

[House]

Stephen, I was not playing word games with you. I wanted to gauge your temperament to help me sort you. Your characterization sounded as if I were trying to mentally fuck with you, which was far from my intention and is part of what upset me.

TBF, mind games are what Mafia is all about.

[House]

UNVOTE:

I have not digested the game in full but it sounds like Malcolm scumslipped?

I should pay more attention to the game right now but my ADHD-like symptoms have been very prominent today. Mafia does not help that, and sometimes worsens it.

Yep. a freebie.

Not exactly.

[House]

VOTE: Malcom

Caught scum.

Need to check a thing.

I posted a misdirect while I was in my inventors neighbourhood thread with Flea to see how they'd react while I was under some pressure.

Rather bizarrely they continued posting in here afterwards and have only just seemingly decided to acknowlegde it now, which suggests to me they may have taken some time to talk it over with mafia pals.

Instead of actually questioning me as to the content of the misdirect as well they've directly come in here and decided to just vote for me straight away.

That would be mighty scummy.

I'm sure we'll keep it in mind if you flip green.

[House]

*waits for LLD to miss the sarcasm*

[House]

I don't like Enchant's content

Neither do I. Let's bus him next.

[House]

UNVOTE:

I have not digested the game in full but it sounds like Malcolm scumslipped?

I should pay more attention to the game right now but my ADHD-like symptoms have been very prominent today. Mafia does not help that, and sometimes worsens it.

"Unvote on scumread when he is not even in danger of elim"

Classic

Wasn't a great scumread in the first place.

Far more interesting is that he clearly knows Malcolm scumslipped but didn't switch his vote over to him.

[House]

{Dunnstral, Enchant, Cupcake}

Our last 2 scum are in that group, folks.

[House]

Far more interesting is that he clearly knows Malcolm scumslipped but didn't switch his vote over to him.

Where is your vote right now?

On you.

I was waiting to hammer.

[House]

Dunn so desperate to shade me, lol.

[House]

Far more interesting is that he clearly knows Malcolm scumslipped but didn't switch his vote over to him.

Where is your vote right now?

On you.

I was waiting to hammer.

Denied.

I know. Such a scummy move.

[House]

Neighborizers should target whoever they think the night kill will be, btw.

[House]

I’m at flea, me, Luke, house at obvtown status.
If I use a hard rule.
Stephen feels unlikely.

After that it’s mostly just assumptions.
I don’t think I need many more correct town reads to win from here though.

I'd add MT to the unlikely list.

[House]

MT can be good scum tho. Which is why I hesitate even though I feel they’re largely following their town meta.

My primary hesitation about her is that she only has me as "likely" town when she came in like gangbusters and prevented my mislim in a game we both repped into where I was downright apathetic/nihilistic at being the designated, game losing mislim when she came into the game shortly after I did.

She was in fucking hero mode that game.

Here, I have less of a townread? /grudge

Other than that, I guess I'm biased against scumreading her because of her ability to actually find me as town where 99% of other players just read superficially.

[House]

I'm not saying I don't read people superficially, but...

To be fair my defensiveness is probably coming from the fact that I've basically had another player suspecting me before I'd even managed to look at the thread due to a couple of fairly meh posts from the guy I'm replacing. It feels fairly natural to adopt a more defensive approach from that POV when I know I'm not mafia and have basically been perceived as one from the off. But aware that's the hand I've been dealt.

This, I don't agree with.

You had some superficial shade tossed on you based on pregame content. Big deal.

How you reacted to it looked like you deserved it.

I don't think my reaction was particularly out of the ordinary or all that bizarre and this is a bit of a reach. An accusation was made against me, I reacted to it in turn and gave reasons as to why I didn't think it was a particularly problematic or suspect post from Medea. And we're at a fairly early point in the game where there's not much I'm going to be able to say to justify the fact I'm town beyond that, hence being flippant in a couple of posts.

Fact I'm a replacement is absolutely relevant too I reckon - in most cases you're arguing on your own merits from the start. Different game when you're coming in after it's started started and from a town POV explaining posts that were made by someone else.

Yes. Your response was carefully reasoned out.

For a pregame, superficial, unfounded hunch.

... kinda my point.

... I do at least try to look below the surface.

[House]

Enchant should be wagoned d2.

That hammer smells like a grab for town cred after their unimpressive content today.

Cupcake actually has more scum collateral than Dunnstral, but Dunn isn't clear.

[House]

Maybe it is Enchant, House -- but i do like this post. i might be inclined to start with Cupcake

UNVOTE:

I have not digested the game in full but it sounds like Malcolm scumslipped?

I should pay more attention to the game right now but my ADHD-like symptoms have been very prominent today. Mafia does not help that, and sometimes worsens it.

"Unvote on scumread when he is not even in danger of elim"

Classic

They're already losing one buddy. Not surprised if they want distance.

Not saying it's incriminating, but it certainly isn't redeeming.

[House]

pedit: Maybe, could be scum's only chance at this point. But in any case I think I suspect it's Cupcake!scum Enchant!town or both scum

Fair.

[House]

I stand by my recommendation, though.

That hammer wasn't coming from a town mindset.

[House]

Does anyone know of Enchant quickhammering as town?

I seem to recall them asking for claim as town.

My current theory is that Enchant knew Malcolm was scum and just hopped on.

[House]

Dunn feels so weird this game too i mostly dont get where his reads are coming from. they either have felt like memes or grasping a little

Look who he's grasping at, though.

Again, not redeeming, but people do like to jump at scumreading me because I'm weird.

[House]

Imagine it flips town now

Worst town to ever town of that happens, after that blatant slip.

[House]

VOTE: Malcolm

Arent' i hammered already

Then what two more

This comes off like Enchant thought Malcolm already had an extra surplus of votes so it didn't matter ?

Do I have that correct Enchant?

Enchant knew he hammered and wanted to know what Bell meant by needing 2 more (scum to win).

[House]

Enchant knew he hammered and wanted to know what Bell meant by needing 2 more (scum to win).

Ah I see. So it's possible Enchant just has reads that are too good (Malcolm, Cupcake possibly) cause scum

Enchant is kinda a god at the game though I feel like I've asked myself this question before. I guess Enchant was a mason that time but still

I may possibly be remembering this wrong, but I seem to recall Enchant being someone that suspects me a lot for dumb reasons so color me doubtful.

[House]

Not even medicre actually.

I guess I'm kinda concerned because I usually townread you but I don't this game.

At all.

Kinda makes me sad.

[House]

LLD, if you're a neighborizer, you should target me tonight so we can talk through some shit without it being in the public eye cluttering up the game thread.

Feel free to report whatever we discuss to the main thread if you do, of course. I just wanna make peace because there's clearly some beef there that should be squashed.

[House]

DID YOU CALL ME COW

I was talking to LLD, and I didn't call anyone a cow.

[House]

I'd be more suspicious of Enchant if Malcolm weren't as likely red as he is

Malcolm going down was a foregone conclusion. I was basically baiting Bell to E-2 so I could do exactly what Enchant did.

[House]

I'd be more suspicious of Enchant if Malcolm weren't as likely red as he is

Malcolm going down was a foregone conclusion. I was basically baiting Bell to E-1* so I could do exactly what Enchant did.

[House]

Beef means a stronger, lingering problem someone has or two people have with each other -- that sort of thing. It's slang

I'd be more suspicious of Enchant if Malcolm weren't as likely red as he is

Malcolm going down was a foregone conclusion. I was basically baiting Bell to E-2 so I could do exactly what Enchant did.

But it's suspicious when Enchant does it

Yes, because Enchant's posts have been very bleh all day.

[House]

Enchant has looked townier since they hammer than say any point before it.

Almost like he's being coached. *shrug*

[House]

I'd be more suspicious of Enchant if Malcolm weren't as likely red as he is

Malcolm going down was a foregone conclusion. I was basically baiting Bell to E-2 so I could do exactly what Enchant did.

Denied.

I know. That was evil.

[House]

Enchant has looked townier since the* hammer than at* any point before it.

Almost like he's being coached. *shrug*

EBWOP again

[House]

Enchant has looked townier since they hammer than say any point before it.

Almost like he's being coached. *shrug*

It was my evil twin posting before, now i taked keyboard

Oh.

Well, that explains everything.

Enchant just admitted being evil, everyone.

[House]

Enchant has looked townier since they hammer than say any point before it.

Almost like he's being coached. *shrug*

It was my evil twin posting before, now i taked keyboard

I usually townread you when 2-3 others are calling for your blood.

Why do you not find my scumread suspicious?

[House]

Also you didn't townread me that game, you turned on me last moment bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Which game?

And what did you flip?

I don't remember the one you're referring to.

[House]

Also you didn't townread me that game, you turned on me last moment bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Which game?

And what did you flip?

I don't remember the one you're referring to.

One where you fakeclaimed watcher, got our tracker killed and then was decapitated by mastina.

I'm gonna need a link or game title or something, because the only thing that comes to mind is

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=87460

... where you flipped scum.

[House]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=13199739

Briefly on d1 and never after d1 is not "at the end".

[House]

Excuse me, "last moment"

[House]

Bottoms...

[House]

Up!

[House]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=13199739

I voted you at 683.

Unvoted you at 817.

Never voted you again after that, according to VC scan.

[House]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=13199739

Briefly on d1 and never after d1 is not "at the end".

You called me scum at last day.

Oh, I'll have to look back again.

[House]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=13199739

Briefly on d1 and never after d1 is not "at the end".

You called me scum at last day.

Even though I called you scum, I didn't vote you.

Know what else I said?

Well shit.

If you're town, the scum team pretty much has to be Titus/Dwlee.

There. You're caught up.

Who was the remaining scum, again?

[House]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=13199739

Briefly on d1 and never after d1 is not "at the end".

You called me scum at last day.

You didn't vote me because you chicked and provoced me to vote first.

It was mental.

It's cute that you think I can be scared into or out of doing anything.

[House]

Don't claim cop with guilty on me pls.

Not this game.

[House]

MT, you may be right.

[House]

Basically, I'm thinking MT & Enchant are probably aligned.

If MT town, I think she's right about Enchant.

If MT scum, I think she coached Enchant.

I don't see why scum MT would townread town Enchant to the point of arguing with me over it when she needs viable mislims.

[House]

my goals as scum are beyond comprehension

in reality I would probably be pretty ticked off about the whole unluckiness of the scumslip thing and the last thing I'd care to talk abt is what u read Enchant as rn

Doesn't matter.

I don't plan on using Enchant's flip to read you.

I plan on using yours to read her.

Probably after you're night killed.

[House]

my goals as scum are beyond comprehension

in reality I would probably be pretty ticked off about the whole unluckiness of the scumslip thing and the last thing I'd care to talk abt is what u read Enchant as rn

Doesn't matter.

I don't plan on using Enchant's flip to read you.

I plan on using yours to read her (him?).

Probably after you're night killed.

[House]

to summarize Dranlon, I think I got in a mini shitfight with at least two other members in there on just the first day and im very embarrassed about it

I'm so sad that I missed out on this.

That hood would have been lit if I'd have been in there.

[House]

If I have a bullet, Dunnstral dies tonight.

There's plenty of support for a Cupcake push, and Enchant being most likely town pushes Dunn back to the fore for me.

Not saying I am... but if he dies, feel free to draw your own conclusions.

[House]

I HAVE A GUILTY! It is...

Spoiler:

just a meme claim

VOTE: Dunnstral

[House]

*inhale*

First: thank you for not notifying us of every single replenishment of oxygen. That would get very tedious.

Second: what made this particular one noteworthy?

[House]

Wow you goldfish

[House]

Get the heck out of here dunn is the towniest town to ever town.

I agree with every word you said, in that you are entirely wrong.

[House]

Day 2 begins!

Flavor maybe later.

Stephen A Smith,

Town Loud Backup Modified Traffic Analyst Neighbor

, was killed night 1.

As a note for future day starts: if you receive a result or notification pm of any kind, you should not post in any thread related to this game until I post the day start post.

I'd say this looks good for strangematter if it was just the two of them in the hood where stephen claimed im guessing? Otherwise i want to flashwagon sm

I don't think that Stephen has claimed anything.

This looks very good for SM, although

I was not planning to out that SM had claimed...

Butt also thats still bad cuz sm loterally made me make a different hood for no fucking reason bc they cant even clear me no matter what

They declared they had an inno on you.

What are you talking about?

Please make these posts make sense together.

Not asking for role details, just to clear up this weirdly blatant inconsistency.

[House]

Honestly maybe it makes sense, i had pretty bad mind about Dunn overnight, now all he posts looks scummy for me.

*bonk*
Go away go away go away

Stephen, the guy that scumread Malcolm's predecessor off the rip and scum wanted to desperately shut up over Lukewarm, also scumread Dunnstral up to his dying breath, too.

[House]

Please make these posts make sense together.

Ignore this, figured it out.

[House]

Wonderful that he's dead then cuz dunn is town town town

I'm convinced.

In that I'm convinced that Stephen is correct.

[House]

if you believe i am town, believe dunn is town.

I do.

I don't.

[House]

Please make these posts make sense together.

Ignore this, figured it out.

Ignore my explanation

Ignore my ignoring you not ignoring me.

[House]

Up!

[House]

Oh, in other news, Bell told me to shoot SM last night and never rescinded that request.

For whatever that's worth.

[House]

if SM isnt town, it isn't an inno.

Yes it is.

Scum isn't going to inno scum on d2.

[House]

Asking to murder ish't scummy

Depends on whether he's in a hood with SM with the claim.

[House]

Asking to murder ish't scummy

Depends on whether he's in a hood with SM with the claim.

Uh.

VOTE: Bell

I'm gonna wait for Lukewarm to weigh in on this.

[House]

for the record, i was planning on literally neighborizing dunn and i alone to guarantee an all town neighborhood. but then i realized that i only had 1 shot
and then they made me not be in the hood or have to add SM in so that SM could use her role.

like that is how certain i am that dunn is town. anyone else who i currently townread could be scum. but dunn. dunn cannot be scum.

Certainty is not indicative of accuracy.

[House]

when it is 100% certainty

Just gonna drop this here...

like im going to have paranoia on dunn throughout this game

I don't see 100% certainty, here.

Yes, I'm a contrarian ass.

[House]

I confirm, House is ass

Aren't you adorable.

[House]

Spoiler: page 32 had town dunn down as solid town despite hydra buddy disagreeing

Btw I dunno how people are reading Dunn. But you've gotta trust that the bear hydra can read Dunn.

Literally. Pooky + me is the dream team Dunn scum catcher.

And believing that we would white knight a partner like this is ridiculous. So, regardless of what alignment anyone is from your perspective, if ur town, you should be locktowning Dunn.
If Bears is scum and Dunn is scum, the game state would not look like this. So rule out this possibility.
If Bears is scum and Dunn is town, well who cares, Dunn is town and that is my point.
If Bears is town and Dunn is town, double wooo right?
If Bears is town and Dunn is scum, we would've caught Dunn on like page 3 100%.

So, Dunn is definitely town here.

Bc us scum together is basically impossible. Us being town and Dunn being scum is extra impossible.
So Dunn is town. Period.

@Noraa, I don’t understand why you sr Hectic and townlock Dunn. I strongly tr Hectic and am dead null on Dunn. I think anyone is taking our Bell!scum case seriously and not ignoring Pooky’s overwhelmingly compelling case is > rand town imo. So that probably includes his wagon, Flea, Rhetti etc.

Spoiler: i start out scumreading dunn but then come back to a townread on page 26

also I've come to a conclusion. I believe Dunn is town. 99% accuracy

Spoiler: page 6 SR on scum dunn who flips day 7 as the last scum standing. no one agrees with me but i stick with it and describe it as "something feels off"

Subject: Titus v Nancy Drew (Game Over)

A dunnstral SR is forming because of this post:

How much 'patience' do you really need to google deja vu and get the accents?

Last time I played with town you, you were so serious and your vibe was "lets get down to business I have no time for your bullshit baby talk, Noraa"
This time ... you're shitposting?

Go read your townread hood.

[House]

Go read your townread hood.

i cant. im not in the adventurer's guild hood.

Oh, I thought you could at least spy on it.

That kinda sucks.

[House]

Bell did not say to not shoot at SM.

He never said Bell did...

[House]

Go read your townread hood.

i cant. im not in the adventurer's guild hood.

Oh, I thought you could at least spy on it.

That kinda sucks.

i cant ((((((((((((((((

And half of my posts were trying to trigger you.

What a waste of time.

I has a sads.

[House]

D: im sorry i wanted to be in the hood but meanie pants lukewarm ;( insisted that i get cleared instead.

Not a terrible idea, tbh.

You were on my top secret non-d1 scumreads list.

[House]

ok but im cleared by making the neighborhood at all. like if i were scum, i could just be like OOPSIE DAISY looks like i got blocked on my n1 mass neighborizer. tee hee yalls town pt go whoosh.

Or, you could have salted the hood with a deepwolf capable buddy.

So many possibilities.

[House]

also grandpa didnt even talk so im basically a new slot. no predecessor stuff to sort at all.

That's actually why I scumread your slot.

Scum burning down fast on d1 looks really bad for players that dodge the main thread.

[House]

ok but im cleared by making the neighborhood at all. like if i were scum, i could just be like OOPSIE DAISY looks like i got blocked on my n1 mass neighborizer. tee hee yalls town pt go whoosh.

Or, you could have salted the hood with a deepwolf capable buddy.

So many possibilities.

and why would i do that rather than just not make the pt? like i joined this game because of how stacked this plist is. if i were scum, i'd be very nervous to be giving town players a hood. will it happen anyways? yes but the existence of the hoods alone is bad.

The game is literally called, "Web of Lies".

Anyone that blindly trusts neighborhoods is ripe for being misled.

I'm glad you're cleared. Seriously.

3 people being cleared on d2 is a bit of a startling amount, but at least 2 of them were due to a new player posting in the wrong thread so that does a lot to mitigate my paranoia.

[House]

wait but house why couldnt i be scum? like if SM and i were buddies and lukewarm forced her to use her traffic analyst on me, wouldn't she have to either claim a guilty and sacrifice one of us or say i was town? im not sure what i would do in that situation but part of my unwillingness to go with the plan was that if i got guiltied, it would be a very annoying 1v1 today.
but if both of us were town, that would basically clear the one that survives, no?

It's interesting how much power players are giving Lukewarm.

Sure, he's town. His presence in so many hoods is helpful, but his opinion would not be the end all be all of how I use my role.

Guess I'm just weird. I mean, I am... but I really don't think that's why.

[House]

3 people being cleared on d2

what

Oops.

Nevermind that.

[House]

Dunn & Stephen are pissing in my Cheerios.

UNVOTE:

Let me scumread you in peace, people!

[House]

Bottom of page 25 and before I read the other 4 pages I am speculating the "Modified" TA can check if the target has access to "more than one hood". Like the standard TA can check if target can "communicate" so the modified probably gets if they can communicate on multiple channels. This makes Lukewarm a Miller to them at the very least.

Considering I am a Modified TA myself I'm just assuming that it is the same modifier here. The modifier states that my role will ignore the fact that people are in the same PTs as me, so if someone like Noraa was in another PT from the ones that I was in, I'd have gotten a "Can communicate" but didn't. Mostly assuming that if I died they would've had the same role as me

This is why it was Noraa night 1 btw.

Almost every player was somewhere that StrangeMatter was not.

Nora and Tweetie were the only players that were in the same street and the same career hood as StrangeMatter.

(I did not plan on outing the specifics of this to the main thread, so that your role might seem like may be scarier then it really is, but every one (including me tbh) seems to be leaking info everywhere x.x)

It's still not all that damaging.

MT is town. She neighborized me last night and just wow that would bea lot of fake sorting before she even picked who to neighborize that she posted before I arrived, and I'm hardly the best person to impress with that amount of effort.

Besides, scum has much bigger fires to put out before targeting her.

[House]

Dunn & Stephen are pissing in my Cheerios.

UNVOTE:

Let me scumread you in peace, people!

stephen if you're reading, you've been given the beary paw of DOOM. fix ur reads asap otherwise im kicking you out of my neighborhood

Why do you think I said he's pissing in my Cheerios?

[House]

stephen ur a god i wont kcik you out dont worry. just keep setting house's hair on fire and all will be good

[House]

this is so terribly random but
house you know who you remind me of? bm. i was thinking about this a while ago but i think thats why when we see each other in games where neither of us is conftown, we're like two pissed off cats around each other. you and bm r both like the people who i have an obsession tunneling >:3

Yet, you neighborized me?

[House]

VOTE: Bell

I think I'm good with this.

[House]

So, now the world knows that SM cannot invest anyone now

even if the world didn't know, SM couldn't

What part of "I wanted to make SM's role seem scarier then it is, and hope it scared the scum team into killing SM, because I know that SM's role is useless now" am I not making clear? lol

Aw, is someone oversharing? That must be really sad for you.

[House]

Up!

[House]

So relatively speaking though, what are people's reads currently looking like at the moment?

I'm voting the person I currently want dead.

[House]

HOUSE IS TRING DUNNSTRALLLLLLLL~~~~~~~~~~~~

[House]

Bell -> Almost -> LLD

Those lims in that order most likely wins the game.

Only person I might be wrong on is Enchant. There's time to shore up that read.