MT 2263: Web of Lies - Game Over

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What's up everyone

I'm a miller

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Speaking of hoods

Since Lukewarm is apparently a leaking larry anyways and there are no secrets

I think Enchant and Almost50 are both votable from our hood

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I think if we kill scum on d1, whichever initial hood that scum was in should be considered a masonry.

Why?

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MalcolmTucker
Lady Lambdadelta
Almost50
Enchant
Cupcake Butterfly
Flea The Magician

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These people were all largely/completely absent from the hoods during the dawn, and I would love for them to start existing

Enchant was kind of popping in but they had very empty posts

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I think if we kill scum on d1, whichever initial hood that scum was in should be considered a masonry.

Why?

Do you seriously think 2 scum are going to be in any of the 3 initial hoods when Lukewarm is the only one that repeats across them?

I'm not sure why you think there is guaranteed to only be 1 scum in every hood

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Only works if you are assuming that the mod guaranteed the 1:1:1 split, and that is pretty bold assumption.

Pretty fair assumption, for a game titled, "Web of Lies".

That name doesn't confer any sense of 1:1:1 split to me

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VOTE: House

I don't buy any of your stances this game, starting with the morning tweet stuff, then your take on the hoods, and finally your unexplained hostility towards me

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Can you explain why you are townreading Lukewarm?

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I'm wondering how you can think what you are thinking in 85 but simultaneously have Lukewarm as unexplained hard town without reevaluating

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Dunn, have you and Malcolm gotten acquainted in the scum pt yet?

no

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*doesn’t know what Dunnstrall was trying to do there*

What are you talking about

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I already said he was town.

Ah, silly me

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"they way they're playing" is a great read when you haven't actually seen what they're doing and it's pregame

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I don't trust Bell at all this game, this is a first.

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When did you ever trust me?
I demand you show proof.

Bloodstained? Shakespeare? Yggdrasil? Warehouse 13? Pretty much every game we've played together?

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I am a town seeking mason with Morning Tweet.

Every night we can look for our lost third mason.

If we target scum we die.

So third mason wherever you are please crumb to us.

Preferably in a way that's not too obvious but exactly how Morning Tweet would find it because I'm too lazy to look for crumbs.

also our seeking action is compulsory so if I'm going to by default target Bell if Morning Tweet doesn't find any crumbs. If we both die during the night yeet Bell to high hell for us please.

Actually it might be better to use our seeking action as a weak cop instead of actually looking for our lost third mason so maybe don't crumb to us

I guess scum could have a roleblocker but they don't know which of me/tweet will be doing the seeking so it's fine

There's a reason this game has neighborhoods

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outline exactly

Scum

Most people here don't have access to the hood. Why is Malcolm scum in your own words?

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also Malcolm is scum VOTE: Malcolm

outline exactly

Scum

Most people here don't have access to the hood. Why is Malcolm scum in your own words?

Dunn & Malcolm sitting in a tree
S-C-U-M-M-I-N-G

You don't expect me to vote just because Stephen said so, do you?

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I just don't townread either one individually.

They're not vibing with the rest of the players. Kinda defensive for superficial/jokey poking.

To be fair my defensiveness is probably coming from the fact that I've basically had another player suspecting me before I'd even managed to look at the thread due to a couple of fairly meh posts from the guy I'm replacing. It feels fairly natural to adopt a more defensive approach from that POV when I know I'm not mafia and have basically been perceived as one from the off. But aware that's the hand I've been dealt.

I guess Dunnstral's posts could read as kinda mafia...wanting to know more about the reasoning behind a potential bandwagon before deciding to jump onto it, not going all in on me if they know I'm town, while also not hedging their bets against me either because I could be a useful early town elimination.

You are trying to paint me asking for basic info as hedging my bets

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I don't understand why house is linking me to Malcolm either. I assume something else happened in the neighborhood that was never explained?

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Dunn, have you and Malcolm gotten acquainted in the scum pt yet?

gang up on dunn party

gang up on dunn party

Hi Dunn

At least let him strategize* with Malcolm first.

also Malcolm is scum VOTE: Malcolm

outline exactly

Scum

Most people here don't have access to the hood. Why is Malcolm scum in your own words?

Dunn & Malcolm sitting in a tree
S-C-U-M-M-I-N-G

There are three streets - every player is in exactly one, except me. I am in all 3

There are 4 careers. I am in one alone, because no one else selected agriculture - so there are three career hoods that I am it a part of.

also Malcolm is scum VOTE: Malcolm

outline exactly

Scum

Most people here don't have access to the hood. Why is Malcolm scum in your own words?

Dunn & Malcolm sitting in a tree
S-C-U-M-M-I-N-G

You don't expect me to vote just because Stephen said so, do you?

Of course not.

I'd imagine you'd probably need to be boxed in a bit more to bus on d1.

particularly suspicious

ok who is writing these lines and why do they sound like they come out of a 1930s Agatha Christie Villain Monologue?

Lol.

Hey man, I agree with you.

Dunn & Malcolm are quite the swinging couple, as far as I'm concerned.

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The posts stand on their own

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What was the question?

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It's not really TMI; the starting hoods aren't a scum ability, it's a part of our roles. We should all be neighbors.

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Can the both of you shut the fuck up for a second and take a moment to like... hard confirm this under penalty of torture that this isn't a bit?

I don't believe their claim.

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I'm not 100% that forcing them to drop that was beneficial to us

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So would Steph or anyone else like to tell me what's going on I combed through all of the hoods I'm ignoring and got no answers

In relation to what?

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I don't recall posturing being a part of town Bell's playbook

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uhh...

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What is the inventors neighborhood thread?

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Why would you fake a guilty on yourself when you were already being suspected for your predecessors neighborhood posts?

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I think Malcolm needs to die today because this is ambiguous enough that it could go either way.

And so it is hard to justify leaving them alive for too long IMO.

VOTE: Stephen A Smith

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VOTE: Malcolm Tucker

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I've gotten into an argument every time I've opened my dumbass mouth!

No you haven't

Spoiler:

Malcolm

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I also think it makes sense for each of the other job pts to have 1 scum in them.

Like, I would have expected the scum team to purposefully submit three different careers, and that one only had flea and Malcolm

Disagree. I don't think it matters that much.

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also

3) Which career do you wish to pursue? (Entertainment, Education, Industrial work, or Agriculture.) (This is a pregame choice and not related to your role.)


it's not clear from this at all this choice gives me a hood to go to, I thought it was just some random question the mod threw in their for fun

I believe the mod wrote that we needed full confirmations due to the pre-game choice. It was clear it meant something

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Nope just the two

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That was the thought I had when I wrote that post. The thing I didn't want to say so I didn't poison the well of answers.

I had a strong feeling of House bussing Malcom if Malcom was inderd scum.

I agree, let us eliminate House tomorrow

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Dunn why are you playing like scum

I am not

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I also think it makes sense for each of the other job pts to have 1 scum in them.

Like, I would have expected the scum team to purposefully submit three different careers, and that one only had flea and Malcolm

The fact there's only one player in Agriculture suggests either that Lukewarm is scum OR scum have a PT Spy and doesn't need to be listed in hoods to read them.

Why can't scum have picked the other 3 hoods?

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Is anybody gunna make anymore pertinent remarks within the next day or two or should I start baying for blood now.

What is your read on House?

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I don't like Enchant's content

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Far more interesting is that he clearly knows Malcolm scumslipped but didn't switch his vote over to him.

Where is your vote right now?

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Dunn makes sense as 3rd.

I'd be fine with either Dunn or Cupcake tomm

We will see

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I want to see Cupcake, Enchant, Almost50 giving reads in their neighborhoods over the night.

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Claim is obvious meme and i don't understand Dunnstral really fighting it.

Feel free to explain here why you've singled me out instead of LLD who was the one who actually did what you are describing when you get to this

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I'm sorry, thinking about mafia is just time taking away from far more personal things I should pay attention to right now. Great setup and playerlist.

That's fine then

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I quoted LLD in my post. Saying you didn't read the game is not a valid defense here.

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A50 alleges that LLD is confirmed town due to Malcolm flipping mafia in the same neighborhood. It's not clear why they are attached to the idea, but if so, who is the mafia in the neighborhood they started in from their point of view? (A50, Enchant, Luke, Me)., They don't have any scumreads.

Enchant did not share their reads over the night. It is unclear where they stand. Their day 1 was not towny, in my opinion.

Noraa's slot is more likely to be scum just on the basis that they didn't post day 1 and then we eliminated mafia.

Strangmatter slot: I'm not going to fall on my sword here but I'm not convinced they are aligned with malcolm from their play yesterday.

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LLD, do you still believe House was bussing?

VOTE: Enchant

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It says modified traffic analyst.

Also, explain.

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Why didn't you post in your hoods?

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Because your post looks like imitating brainstorming.

How so?

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Can you explain what you are talking about?

If it's in a hood, can you point it out inside of that hood?

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Why wouldn't you explain your read?

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Asking to murder ish't scummy

Depends on whether he's in a hood with SM with the claim.

Uh.

VOTE: Bell

I'm gonna wait for Lukewarm to weigh in on this.

Bell told us that he suggested a vig shot on SM before the claim. That is actually why SM claimed in the hood.

I figured out how to use her ability to get a result on Noraa.

I told everyone to not hood Noraa so it could work.

Noraa outed as a mass neighborizor, and I told her that she needed to put SM in her hood with her.

*** This is when bell asked if he should tell the education hood not to vig SM

I dont know that I made this clear in the hood, but I was against him changing his stance - I had no reason to believe there was actually a vig, and did not want to let more people know what was going on with Sm's claim in case shenanigans. Also, since the plan was for SM to go into Noraas hood with a few other people, I figured we would get Sm's result anyways if I was wrong and there was a vig and that vig shot sm.

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Once we changed the plan to NOT put SM in Noraas hood, we should have revisit it, but that was pretty close to end of the night phase, and it never got talked about

Bell did not say to not shoot at SM.

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Why StrangeMatter?

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Asking to murder ish't scummy

Depends on whether he's in a hood with SM with the claim.

Uh.

VOTE: Bell

I'm gonna wait for Lukewarm to weigh in on this.

Bell told us that he suggested a vig shot on SM before the claim. That is actually why SM claimed in the hood.

I figured out how to use her ability to get a result on Noraa.

I told everyone to not hood Noraa so it could work.

Noraa outed as a mass neighborizor, and I told her that she needed to put SM in her hood with her.

*** This is when bell asked if he should tell the education hood not to vig SM

I dont know that I made this clear in the hood, but I was against him changing his stance - I had no reason to believe there was actually a vig, and did not want to let more people know what was going on with Sm's claim in case shenanigans. Also, since the plan was for SM to go into Noraas hood with a few other people, I figured we would get Sm's result anyways if I was wrong and there was a vig and that vig shot sm.

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Once we changed the plan to NOT put SM in Noraas hood, we should have revisit it, but that was pretty close to end of the night phase, and it never got talked about

So... did this not happen?

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What does the backup dying have to do with StrangeMatter?

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I'm not willing to vote for StrangeMatter without seeing other roles that can fill an investigative niche in the setup claimed

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I'm not willing to vote for StrangeMatter without seeing other roles that can fill an investigative niche in the setup claimed

To be clear, I don't think just being a backup to a scum investigative is enough

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I am necromancer lol

And I'm Riddick so DIE.

Stephen is still in that hood, and is still able to post to us

Spooky

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VOTE: Almost50

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It's just Enchant and Bell?

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I don't want to consider eliminating the doctor claim without another protective claim

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Dang then who could be scum?

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I can think about it now... what is the reason for thinking you are town?

I've got something for everybody but you and Enchant right now

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I have opinions

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When did you switch from pushing me to whatever is happening now?

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By the way I'm also macho

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So no, it's not "LLD+Enchant"

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Ah didn't realize Noraa was actually claiming doctor

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Work time. *sad face* it was a nice weekend.

I’m interested in hearing if dunnstral has any opinions.

Spoiler:

Ah by the way I'm a friendly neighbor.

So. It's not me.

And it's not Noraa, because they have the traffic analyst result on them.

And it's not StrangeMatter, because they are the Traffic Analyst, of which there was a backup.

And it's not Lukewarm, because he coordinated the above, and didn't interfere with it when he had knowledge*. And their role. And they're organizing favorable checks for the town.

*It may not have been possible to interfere with it due to the nature of neighborhoods

And it's not Flea, because they outted Malcolm when only they had access to that information.

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So that leaves Almost50, Enchant, Morning Tweet, Bell, House, and Lady Lambdadelta.

Feel free to try to narrow it down further, but this is where I am most comfortable drawing the line without feeling like I'm falsely putting someone as town.

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How did yall manage to townread Dunn btw? sometimes he just doesnt try and its always felt a little more common on scum to me

I claimed in a hood with (dead) Stephen, House/Math, Luke, and Flea

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My dog died during this game.

Same...