Newbie 2090 (Game Over)

[GoldfishFromTheMoon]

Hi Everyone,
I'm the new replacement, replacement.

It seems I'm in the awkward situation of replacing into a town slot that looks pretty scummy. Although I think a lot of the scum reading of Alianna wasn't for valid reasons, there were some accusations of not advancing the game and not giving enough reads but I think that's honestly just because she is a new player and wasn't sure how to read the game.

I have played mafia before but mostly IRL and when I have played online it's been with people I know IRL which makes it way easier to read them so this is new for me.

I'm currently formulating a reads list for the game but it's taking a while.

[GoldfishFromTheMoon]

Ok so I initially thought Somnus was the Scummiest player (reading through the start of the game), but reading through Marcistars iso, they seem more suspicious so I'm going to leave my vote where it is for now.

[GoldfishFromTheMoon]

what about me is suspicious B)

Your attitude to getting voted out

A town PR would have claimed by now or at least activly defended themselves which you haven't.

A regular townie would seem more frustrated, you're way too chill, and would probably be trying to get out a readlist or something so that when they flip town and people know they could trust them, the town knows what they were thinking and can find the scum.

However you seem way too relaxed and aren't defending yourself enough - like you are trying not to look like scum who don't want to get voted out.

[GoldfishFromTheMoon]

I'm not sure we should Eliminate Marcistar yet UNVOTE: Marcistar

@Goldie
we need your thoughts soon
like within a few hours of this post

Here are some thoughts (sorry I know you didn't want a wall of text):


Tentative reads (I don't trust all these yet):
Mafia:
Somnus : really active but not contributing much, seems like active lurking
Marcistar: reasons I already described, also at the beginning they kept asking for reads but weren't contributing anything, I think that asking questions isn't scummy however it really looked like Marci was trying to look like she was pushing the game forward but not having to contribute or just looking for someone else's reads to latch onto. However I'm not certain She's scum anymore.
PPP: something is very off about their posting, they seem desperate to get somnus voted off, I wonder if it is a bus.

Everyone else seems pretty town-ish but there is nobody I completely trust.




And some other stuff:

Also though, Dino's tenure in the slot was individually kinda bad

.

Could you Explain this please; Dino made 1 post about there being a lot of content to read through, how is that suspicious?

It seems I'm in the awkward situation of replacing into a town slot that looks pretty scummy.

No idea what gave you that impression...

It would be a bit underwhelming if marcistar and GoldfishFromTheMoon turned out to be mafia. Hope GoldfishFromTheMoon is town.

This post freaks me out.

Intent to hammer Marcistar

not yet
I don't even want a claim from marci yet
UNVOTE:

UNVOTE:

I don't want a hammer or even a claim until Goldie is caught up

Something to keep in mind if Marci flips scum. TTTT has advocated for competing wagons, and the importance of putting pressure on players via votes. We get Marci to E-1, twice, and each time TTTT removes their vote off of Marci.

I find this very interesting

You won't show me your pov. Give detailed reads please!!

I did everyone just ignored them

All we have so far is 409, which was cobbled together by TTTT. I don't need pages of theory/analysis, I'd just like each player put into one of three groups: town, null, and mafia.

Furthermore, if you are town, you have a unique perspective on your wagon. Who looks like they are cynically pushing you out? Who looks like town being led astray

?

I would like to hear your answer to this Marcistar.

Not a whole lot has changed since my last reads list, but here is where I'm at currently.

LukeWarm

- Pretty solid town read. Seems to really be trying to figure things out and get others involved. Posts don't seem forced or contrived, which is typically a scum tell.

Furtiveglance

- Has gone from null/townish to another solid town read. They have many of the same thoughts as myself in regards to reads, which obviously makes them a townish feel. Their pressure on Marci and intent to hammer, twice now, has me really thinking it's not something scum would be doing this early.

Mr. Turtle

- They have gone from null/scum to null/town. The only thing keeping me from reading them as solid town is lack of participation. Although they aren't contributing as much as others, what they do contribute seems pretty solid. I would love to see more from Mr. Turtle!!

TTTT

- Was my biggest town read for the longest time. Has now moved to null. More of a gut feel than anything, but something is not sitting quite right with me on TTTT lately. I mentioned this about the unvotes https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p13290850 and maybe that is what has given me a lot of pause.

PPP

- Nothing has changed with my thoughts on PPP.

Somnus

- Has moved to my scummy list. Posting seems forced with little substance. It's like Somnus is here and participating, but just enough to appear as present and participating. Not giving much thought on their own reads nor others. Good strategy for scum, so if they are flipped there isn't much to go own based on their previous post.

Marcistar

- No changes here. Still my biggest scum read. They've done, literally, nothing to even attempt to change my mind here.

GoldfishFromTheMoon

- Nothing here yet. But I do like the early assessment of Marci and the seemingly eagerness to join the game. I hope they continue to participate. This slot was an early scum read for me, so I'm going to have to try hard to be a little unbiased and hear out GoldfishFromTheMoon a bit more before I make any further assessments.

I mostly agree with a lot of this (except for my slot being an early scum read lol)

[GoldfishFromTheMoon]

I'm currently formulating a reads list for the game but it's taking a while.

whatever happened to this?

Some of it is there, but there was some more activity after I posted (mostly while I was asleep I think most of the people on this thread live in a different timezone to me) and I changed my mind about some people.

[GoldfishFromTheMoon]

Honestly it's because I was having difficulty sorting people into town and Null

[GoldfishFromTheMoon]

I have a note that says it probably isn't a marci-goldie scumteam
but Goldie is really making me question that

Sorry, I swear I'm town.

[GoldfishFromTheMoon]

I know this looks bad but I'm going to put my vote back on Marci
VOTE: Marcistar

[GoldfishFromTheMoon]

That's E-1

AHH sorry I didn't say

you have some explaining to do

so here is my explaining (and I get this sounds bad)

My reads list was basically identical to BigTerps so I just said that I agreed with most of it.

here is what I have on the players I didn't mention,

Furtive glance: I'm pretty sure he's town but I don't trust myself because I visualise him as Watson from the BBC Sherlock TV show because of the profile pic, which biases me toward thinking he is town.

BigTerp: I agree with most of their reads and they liked my marci logic from earlier, so I think we seem to be having a similar thought process and they're town

TTTT: Initially I was kinda suspicious of you but your reaction to my most recent stuff honestly seems town

Mr turtle: I like most of their posts and I think they seem town

Lukewarm : Haven't got around to reading ISO yet but what I've seen seems good.

[GoldfishFromTheMoon]

there is a lot wrong with Goldie's 571
casting a lot of shade without taking any real stances

I don't want to take to strong a stance because I think I'm possibly wrong and I don't want to throw the game.

But my current stance is we should eliminate Marci and go from there, whichever way she flips it will give us a lot of information about the game (but I do think she is scum)

[GoldfishFromTheMoon]

Tentative reads (I don't trust all these yet):
Mafia:
Somnus : really active but not contributing much, seems like active lurking
Marcistar: reasons I already described, also at the beginning they kept asking for reads but weren't contributing anything, I think that asking questions isn't scummy however it really looked like Marci was trying to look like she was pushing the game forward but not having to contribute or just looking for someone else's reads to latch onto. However I'm not certain She's scum anymore.
PPP: something is very off about their posting, they seem desperate to get somnus voted off,

I wonder if it is a bus.

You seem to have agreed with the consensus here. I recently explained why I moved PPP to null, as I think their weirdness might not be Alignment Indicative. Your theory that PPP is currently bussing Somnus is as bizarre as pigeons being government drones.

Why would mafia go so hard day 1, putting the spotlight on both of them?

That comment needs more justification, seems really flaky to just say 'I wonder'.

I was thinking it might be a gambit, to intentionally make us think what I've highlighted from your post, but I was just wondering I'm not certain.

[GoldfishFromTheMoon]

Tentative reads (I don't trust all these yet):
Mafia:
Somnus : really active but not contributing much, seems like active lurking
Marcistar: reasons I already described, also at the beginning they kept asking for reads but weren't contributing anything, I think that asking questions isn't scummy however it really looked like Marci was trying to look like she was pushing the game forward but not having to contribute or just looking for someone else's reads to latch onto. However I'm not certain She's scum anymore.
PPP: something is very off about their posting, they seem desperate to get somnus voted off,

I wonder if it is a bus.

You seem to have agreed with the consensus here. I recently explained why I moved PPP to null, as I think their weirdness might not be Alignment Indicative. Your theory that PPP is currently bussing Somnus is as bizarre as pigeons being government drones.

Why would mafia go so hard day 1, putting the spotlight on both of them?

That comment needs more justification, seems really flaky to just say 'I wonder'.

I was thinking it might be a gambit, to intentionally make us think what I've highlighted from your post, but I was just wondering I'm not certain.

That is what I would have done if I started in this game and rolled scum, I would have hidden behind the "I haven't played forum mafia before look at the clueless newbie lol" and bussed my scum partner and got them to bus me, to draw attention to ourselves because newbie scum wouldn't be that smart/stupid depending how you see it.

[GoldfishFromTheMoon]

But I still think Marcistar is more suspicious and we should still vote her out.

[GoldfishFromTheMoon]

Lukewarm : Haven't got around to reading ISO yet but what I've seen seems good.

did you not read the game from the beginning?
are you just reading ISOs?

I've a lot of the game from the beginning but not all of it and my reading was kinda rushed, and I wanted to fully look though peoples ISO's before giving an opinion in case I missed something.

[GoldfishFromTheMoon]

TTTT's recent reaction to GoldfishFromTheMoon kinda made me laugh.

so it's scummy because I'm trying to save Marci from getting elim'd?
but it's also scummy because I'm not voting another counter wagon?
pick one

Why would you have to pick one? Both are BigTerp's scum-reads.

you guys do realize you are not getting anything else from Marci, right?
I'm more interested in some thoughts from Goldie

I suppose this is true. GoldfishFromTheMoon isn't on the wagon though. This caught my eye since you were most eager to put pressure on players.

It seems I'm in the awkward situation of replacing into a town slot that looks pretty scummy.

No idea what gave you that impression...

I only wrote that because Alianna was mostly town-read. I can see why the replacement thing looks scummy. Also GoldfishFromTheMoon might not have read others' reads on Alianna .

People did scumread alianna, and recently there were quite a few comments that the slot was likely to be scum.

Also you must have missed something, I am on the Marci Wagon.

[GoldfishFromTheMoon]

Also you must have missed something, I am on the Marci Wagon.

Excuse me. I meant to say you weren't being voted out.

OH sorry I misunderstood

[GoldfishFromTheMoon]

I don't know how I feel about starting a counter-wagon on someone who just got here and is in their first game on the site, regardless of how scummy the slot appears. That seems like a good way to drive someone away from the site permanently. They will presumably still be here on Day 2. Two replacements in less than a week doesn't look good on a slot, especially on Day 1. I don't feel great about holding that against Goldie as soon as they replaced into their first game, regardless of how questionable the slot is. I'd like to hear other opinions on what is customary in this situation.

I won't leave the site if you eliminate me don't worry, if you really think I should be eliminated do it, I don't want to be kept alive because you all feel sorry for me lol.

That said I'm town and I don't want you to waste an elimination on me.

I also think this post makes Somnus seem slightly more town - it would be easy to press for an elimination of me, a townie without looking suspicious so the fact that they are actually defending me (sort of) makes me think they could be town.

[GoldfishFromTheMoon]

PPP: something is very off about their posting, they seem desperate to get somnus voted off, I wonder if it is a bus.

Why do you jump to him being desperate to bus his partner vs desperate to save his partner (Marci) vs wanting to look like he was trying to stop a town miselimin (Marci) depending on how she flips?

That's a good point that honestly didn't occur to me because as I said in 590, the busing thing is what I would have done.

@Goldie, what changed in the like 20 mins between these posts?

TTTT accused me of possibly being scum with Marcistar and I freaked out.

Lots of questions.

Why were you certain to begin with?
What changed your mind to being uncertain?
What prodded you towards putting it back?

So firstly I originally unvoted Marcistar because I wasn't ready for the day to end since I only just joined and I wanted to interact more with some players and get reads. NOT because I didn't think she was scum.

I wasn't certain to begin with, to be clear I'm very confused about what is going on here which is why I was asking a lot of questions.

However I'm not certain She's scum anymore.

Why'd you say this originally? Without reasons it just looks like your chickening out.

I said this because I realised I had 3 different people who I thought were scum and there can only be 2 mafia which means that one of those people is actually town.

[GoldfishFromTheMoon]

@Goldie, what changed in the like 20 mins between these posts?

TTTT accused me of possibly being scum with Marcistar and I freaked out.

This is an unexpectedly candid answer. Thank you.

Not sure I know how to feel about it with her being this open with it though. Definitely something to think about over the night phase.

It seems that Marci has chosen not to claim

VOTE: Marci

Spoiler: @furtive

no hammer for you

I don't like this. You didn't post an intent to hammer before hand and you haven't waited for Marci to claim (although Marcistar has been given lots of time to claim and hasn't yet so they probably had it coming)

This said please note this is not intended to accuse Lukewarm of being scum I still town/null lean them. I just thought per game etiquette there was supposed to be more warning before the hammer vote.

[GoldfishFromTheMoon]

Actually I just read over the rules in the beginning, intent to hammer isn't required. So it's fine, ignore my last post.

[GoldfishFromTheMoon]

Bet you they'll ignore my reads too!

Can you give us some reads?????

[GoldfishFromTheMoon]

no last minute thoughts?

The fact that Marcistar isn't giving any is very suspicious

[GoldfishFromTheMoon]

why isn't anybody else here to chat in twilight with me?

I was literally just thinking the same thing because I didn't notice there was another page I thought we were still on pg. 26 lol.

[GoldfishFromTheMoon]

if Marci is green my best guess is scum are PPP and Goldie
not at all high confidence
just best guess at this point

Interested to here what makes you think this.

[GoldfishFromTheMoon]

Lukewarm dying is predictable and kinda fitting.

Is that why you killed him /joke

[GoldfishFromTheMoon]

I honestly don't know what to think anymore I was pretty sure Marci was scum.

[GoldfishFromTheMoon]

To Pimpest and whoever else, I offer you these questions:

1.) Who would have benefited the most from Marci being eliminated as quickly as possible?
2.) Who is the one person who never made a case against her, voted for her, or encouraged anyone else to replace an unvote on Marci with a vote?
3.) Who is the only other person who realistically could have been eliminated Day 1?
4.) Who are the players who didn't seem to care whether Marci or Somnus went through and didn't seem to make much of a case against either?

The answers to 1-3 may disappoint you.

Is this an accusation against me?

[GoldfishFromTheMoon]

To Pimpest and whoever else, I offer you these questions:

1.) Who would have benefited the most from Marci being eliminated as quickly as possible?
2.) Who is the one person who never made a case against her, voted for her, or encouraged anyone else to replace an unvote on Marci with a vote?
3.) Who is the only other person who realistically could have been eliminated Day 1?
4.) Who are the players who didn't seem to care whether Marci or Somnus went through and didn't seem to make much of a case against either?

The answers to 1-3 may disappoint you.

What do you think the answer to 3 is Somnus? You seem to be implying there is only one person but there were a couple of players (you and myself included) who could have been eliminated day 1.

[GoldfishFromTheMoon]

You had zero votes on you with less than 48 hours to go in Day 1. You weren't getting eliminated.

Fair point.

[GoldfishFromTheMoon]

Case on Somnus: I didn't like their initial readslist in 331, in which they had 4 of us in the null range, and I strongly disagreed with their scumread on BigTerp. They didn't really comment much

Like this.

I just read through this thread, further down the argument gets pretty deconstructed, and you yourself said that lots of town players did it anyway so I don't think this is a valid tell.

[GoldfishFromTheMoon]

wait why is post 704 still there I thought I deleted that quote

[GoldfishFromTheMoon]

Case on Somnus: I didn't like their initial readslist in 331, in which they had 4 of us in the null range, and I strongly disagreed with their scumread on BigTerp. They didn't really comment much

Like this.

I just read through this thread, further down the argument gets pretty deconstructed, and you yourself said that lots of town players did it anyway so I don't think this is a valid tell.

This post is only meant to be replying to TTTT's 721

[GoldfishFromTheMoon]

Yet it wasn't, Marci was town and so am I

[GoldfishFromTheMoon]

This was Goldie's big catchup post with reads
it's bad
very little is commented on that happened prior to Goldie replacing into the game
is this the post of a replacement player who read the whole game while trying to legitimately sort players?
(no it is not)

Spoiler:

I'm not sure we should Eliminate Marcistar yet UNVOTE: Marcistar

@Goldie
we need your thoughts soon
like within a few hours of this post

Here are some thoughts (sorry I know you didn't want a wall of text):


Tentative reads (I don't trust all these yet):
Mafia:
Somnus : really active but not contributing much, seems like active lurking
Marcistar: reasons I already described, also at the beginning they kept asking for reads but weren't contributing anything, I think that asking questions isn't scummy however it really looked like Marci was trying to look like she was pushing the game forward but not having to contribute or just looking for someone else's reads to latch onto. However I'm not certain She's scum anymore.
PPP: something is very off about their posting, they seem desperate to get somnus voted off, I wonder if it is a bus.

Everyone else seems pretty town-ish but there is nobody I completely trust.




And some other stuff:

Also though, Dino's tenure in the slot was individually kinda bad

.

Could you Explain this please; Dino made 1 post about there being a lot of content to read through, how is that suspicious?

It seems I'm in the awkward situation of replacing into a town slot that looks pretty scummy.

No idea what gave you that impression...

It would be a bit underwhelming if marcistar and GoldfishFromTheMoon turned out to be mafia. Hope GoldfishFromTheMoon is town.

This post freaks me out.

Intent to hammer Marcistar

not yet
I don't even want a claim from marci yet
UNVOTE:

UNVOTE:

I don't want a hammer or even a claim until Goldie is caught up

Something to keep in mind if Marci flips scum. TTTT has advocated for competing wagons, and the importance of putting pressure on players via votes. We get Marci to E-1, twice, and each time TTTT removes their vote off of Marci.

I find this very interesting

You won't show me your pov. Give detailed reads please!!

I did everyone just ignored them

All we have so far is 409, which was cobbled together by TTTT. I don't need pages of theory/analysis, I'd just like each player put into one of three groups: town, null, and mafia.

Furthermore, if you are town, you have a unique perspective on your wagon. Who looks like they are cynically pushing you out? Who looks like town being led astray

?

I would like to hear your answer to this Marcistar.

Not a whole lot has changed since my last reads list, but here is where I'm at currently.

LukeWarm

- Pretty solid town read. Seems to really be trying to figure things out and get others involved. Posts don't seem forced or contrived, which is typically a scum tell.

Furtiveglance

- Has gone from null/townish to another solid town read. They have many of the same thoughts as myself in regards to reads, which obviously makes them a townish feel. Their pressure on Marci and intent to hammer, twice now, has me really thinking it's not something scum would be doing this early.

Mr. Turtle

- They have gone from null/scum to null/town. The only thing keeping me from reading them as solid town is lack of participation. Although they aren't contributing as much as others, what they do contribute seems pretty solid. I would love to see more from Mr. Turtle!!

TTTT

- Was my biggest town read for the longest time. Has now moved to null. More of a gut feel than anything, but something is not sitting quite right with me on TTTT lately. I mentioned this about the unvotes https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p13290850 and maybe that is what has given me a lot of pause.

PPP

- Nothing has changed with my thoughts on PPP.

Somnus

- Has moved to my scummy list. Posting seems forced with little substance. It's like Somnus is here and participating, but just enough to appear as present and participating. Not giving much thought on their own reads nor others. Good strategy for scum, so if they are flipped there isn't much to go own based on their previous post.

Marcistar

- No changes here. Still my biggest scum read. They've done, literally, nothing to even attempt to change my mind here.

GoldfishFromTheMoon

- Nothing here yet. But I do like the early assessment of Marci and the seemingly eagerness to join the game. I hope they continue to participate. This slot was an early scum read for me, so I'm going to have to try hard to be a little unbiased and hear out GoldfishFromTheMoon a bit more before I make any further assessments.

I mostly agree with a lot of this (except for my slot being an early scum read lol)

I agree this was a bad post. I'm sorry. I legitimately didn't know what to say I find it difficult to read people online because I'm used to playing Mafia IRL.

[GoldfishFromTheMoon]

Goldie
I'm not expecting a novel
don't really wanna read one
just your thoughts on each player
I'd prefer you write up posts as you are catching up, rather than making one or two giant walls
not only is it easier to read, but it makes it easier to follow your thought process as you read the game

this advice was totally ignored btw

Again, sorry

[GoldfishFromTheMoon]

'wonder if it was a bus' lol

Yeah I've changed my mind about that. Somnus and PPP seem like an unlikely scum team. The idea that an elimination could go ahead on a town player without a single scum supporting or being on the wagon is pretty unlikely.

[GoldfishFromTheMoon]

VOTE: Mr Turtle

Interesing...
I agree that people have been too quick to toweread Mr Turtle,
I think the fact that he was posting lots of analysis made people instinctively think he must be town but scum could easily fake that.

[GoldfishFromTheMoon]

Go spend an hour re-reading the entire game
not ISOs
the whole game as it progresses
Turtle is largely absent and when he is here he isn't actually engaging others in meaningful ways
he's dropping in large posts with what looks like a lot of good analysis
but he makes zero effort to push anyone or anything in this game

I agree with this analysis of Mr Turtle. Unfortunately I don't have time to reread the whole game tho.

[GoldfishFromTheMoon]

TTTT If Mr Turtle is scum who do you think is most likely to be his partner?

[GoldfishFromTheMoon]

Pls don't day me lol

[GoldfishFromTheMoon]

Pls don't day me lol

Say*

[GoldfishFromTheMoon]

I won't stand for a push on an absent player. As for Goldfish, I can see them with Somnus but Somnus fits in a lot of pairings for me.

nobody is suggesting Turtle gets voted out before he gets a chance to defend himself and make contributions.

[GoldfishFromTheMoon]

Ok, well Lukewarm townread Turtle

he also ended the day talking about how you were scumslipping

^

isn't it interesting how both the dead players, (who we know are town), scum read furtive?

my current thoughts on the scum team are turtle/furtiveglance. But I think furtive/PPP is also a possibility, furtive was one of the first to towered PPP and keeps defending PPP's strangeness.

Either way

FOS: Furtiveglance

[GoldfishFromTheMoon]

TTTT If Mr Turtle is scum who do you think is most likely to be his partner?

TTTT has it occured to you that Golfish sheeped your Turtle read out of nowhere and is attempting to buddy/pocket you?

I'm not attempting to buddy anyone,
I just agree with some of TTTT's recent posts.

[GoldfishFromTheMoon]

Ok, well Lukewarm townread Turtle

he also ended the day talking about how you were scumslipping

^

isn't it interesting how both the dead players, (who we know are town), scum read furtive?

my current thoughts on the scum team are turtle/furtiveglance. But I think furtive/PPP is also a possibility, furtive was one of the first to towered PPP and keeps defending PPP's strangeness.

Either way

FOS: Furtiveglance

Factually incorrect I'm afraid. Lukewarm said I was '+town' in 289, then had me in the null range in 318. Their biggest scumread was Somnus. I am keeping that torch burning. Marcistar scumread me yes. I deconstructed their scumcase on me (169) in 209.
PPP is still in my scumpool but not my preferred vote at the moment. I really think Somnus should be the vote today.

Also, if you think it's me you can vote me. Don't just say 'FOS' without fully committing in case I flip town.

I only Fos-ed because I'm not 100% confident
Last time I voted someone (and I wasn't 100% sure) they turned out to be town and I don't want a repeat of that.

[GoldfishFromTheMoon]

That's E-1

AHH sorry I didn't say

you have some explaining to do

so here is my explaining (and I get this sounds bad)

My reads list was basically identical to BigTerps so I just said that I agreed with most of it.

here is what I have on the players I didn't mention,

Furtive glance: I'm pretty sure he's town but I don't trust myself because I visualise him as Watson from the BBC Sherlock TV show because of the profile pic, which biases me toward thinking he is town.

BigTerp: I agree with most of their reads and they liked my marci logic from earlier, so I think we seem to be having a similar thought process and they're town

TTTT: Initially I was kinda suspicious of you but your reaction to my most recent stuff honestly seems town

Mr turtle: I like most of their posts and I think they seem town

Lukewarm : Haven't got around to reading ISO yet but what I've seen seems good.

Goldfish these are your reads a few days ago. You had both me and Turtle as townleans. I want to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are town, so help me understand. Have you been beguiled by TTTT's charm and decided to follow them blindly? Were you really won over by marcistar's scumcase on me? Is it that Turtle's less frequent posting makes you suspicious of them? More explanation is needed for this bizarre U-turn please.

I pretty much town leaned you and Turtle because everyone else was and I was completely unsure what to think.

Turtles less frequent posting is suspicious yes, but that's not the only reason I'm going off.

The U turn is mostly because now it's day 2 and we've had two flips which changes things because I now have some concrete information to go off.

Also because I've now been in the game for a while and I'm finding it easier to follow now that I can watch stuff happen in real time and I'm not hurriedly reading through old stuff.

As I said, at the time I really wasn't confident in any of my reads, I only posted because people kept asking for them.

[GoldfishFromTheMoon]

I will ignore Somnus and Golfish who are only throwing shade at me because I said it was them first, and haven't made any decent points at all.

That is not the reason I "went after you" if you haven't noticed literally everyone has said it's me except for bigTerp who thinks I'm a null at best. If I was going to OMGUS someone it would have been TTTT who actually voted for me.

[GoldfishFromTheMoon]

I also think I did make some valid points, although I get that if you're town they must seem pretty bad.

I said before that Furtive keeps defending PPP, I think if PPP is scum furtive is likely the partner.

This quote I agree with

The aim of the game is to find mafia. I think I'm doing that well, or am at least close. I'm not worried if you think I'm scummy for pointing fingers.

It's not about you pointing fingers, it's about you picking and choosing who to engage with. Not sure why one would do that?

And your attitude day 2 is getting stranger by the minute, you seem like scum who is afraid they've just been accused.

[GoldfishFromTheMoon]

[quote="In [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p13296299]post 835[/url], Mr Turtle"]
I don't remember a single post by Goldie, so probably scum.[/quote]

Could you explain this further for me please. How does you not remembering any of my posts make you think I'm scum? Please remember the fact that I replaced into this game so I don't have as many posts as other players because I haven't been in the thread as long.

[GoldfishFromTheMoon]

The three people who didn't seem to care which one of Somnus/Marci was pushed through were furtive, Goldfish, and yourself. I don't know where Goldfish currently stands, and I guess to some extent, I don't know where you currently stand either.

GoldfishFromTheMoon seemed pretty set on marcistar, so I think I disagree there. I don't think GoldfishFromTheMoon and furtiveglance fit the 2nd part of #4. furtiveglance and GoldfishFromTheMoon both made a case against marcistar. So does this give us - or + town points?

I'm sorry PPP but I'm not sure you're representing my intentions entierly accurately. I wasn't completely set on Marcistar, I would have been happy with either marci or somnus day 1 because I really wasn't certain about a read on anyone. I know I made a case against marcistar and multiple times said particular things they were doing seemed suspicious but that was more to convince myself that my vote was in the right place that for anyone else.

Side note PPP I don't like how you seem to be viewing me and you as a group, this is the second time you've reffered to "us" or "me and goldfishfromthemoon" Idk if you're trying to get me to townread you by seeming to be thinking along the same lines but it's not working. You're still null possibly scum (although some of your posts today were looking a bit more town-ish).

[GoldfishFromTheMoon]

Back to the dueling wagon idea. I like a Somnus/Turtle one right now. And to a lesser extent Somnus/Furtive.

You realize that asking for a wagon on me again today, especially calling for Somnus/furtive, wagons 0 of the people who voted for Marci, correct?

It's not really about who actually voted for Marcistar it's about who was pushung for that vote and Furtiveglance was definitely one of those people even if he never actually voted for her he was always the hammer waiting to happen.

[GoldfishFromTheMoon]

Aahh no
I've been really busy and away from the thread and now I come back and I'm at e-1.

It seems you want a claim. Unfortunately I don't have a compelling argument to save myself I'm just a vanilla townie. Please don't make the mistake of eliming throught that.

Multiple people have stated that me not voting is anti town, I think it's more anti town to accidentally put a vote on another town player which is why I haven't voted yet because I want to be pretty sure.



And something else.

Turtle: I like posts 901 and 903 the logic seems reasonable and I can understand the thought process. I didn't like 871, turtles main reason for scumreading me is because I seemed apologetic and self conscious, however surely newbie scum would be aware that being self conscious is scummy because mafia are inherently aware of their image and want to look town, so would try not to look that way(self conscious). I'm moving them more into the null range but still really undecided.

[GoldfishFromTheMoon]

I stated before that in my mind the pair is either Somnus/Gold or Somnus/TTTT. Now TTTT is voting anyone but Somnus and they are voting together....not a fan. I am still desperate for a Somnus elimination. My scum radar is still forming but it hasn't gone off like this before. Posts 910 and 911 are so passive. This is a player trying to hide and self-justify, not scumhunt. BigTerp help me force through a Somnus vote please.

I potentially agree with this. It's interesing or at least worth a thought.

[GoldfishFromTheMoon]

If we get to the point of having to replace goldfish, I'm 100% behind an elimination there before replacement. I don't think I can handle yet another replacement in that same slot.

If not, my previous wagon(s) I still stand behind.

Don't worry, you won't have to replace me I'm back.

[GoldfishFromTheMoon]

Unofficial votecount
(Thought this might help)

Goldfishfromthemoon: (3) (Mr Turtle, TTTT, Somnus)
Somnus: (2) (furtiveglance, PImpPestPlaY)
Mr Turtle: (1) (bigterp)

[GoldfishFromTheMoon]

Oops I forgot to add not voting, which is just me

[GoldfishFromTheMoon]

I gotta go to bed now.

I'll post more thoughts and probably a vote in the morning.

Pls don't elim me before I can say more.

[GoldfishFromTheMoon]

Tracker should probably out even if they don't have a useful result, it will prevent counter claimijng nonsense tomorrow.

tracker should have a clear or guilty on someone from last night
unless they foolishly tracked BigTerp
so it probably makes sense to out the clear
giving us two conftown

I agree with both of these, some hard evidence from the tracker would be really helpful.

[GoldfishFromTheMoon]

I will guess they tracked Goldfish who went nowhere, but that's just a guess, I'm not the tracker.

Could you explain why you say this...

I think in my mind right now, the order of suspicion is Goldfish most suspicious then TTTT then Turtle then PPP.

...and then say that I'm the most suspicious.

If you think I didn't go anywhere then you think I'm town because there is only 1 mafia left and a kill was performed last night.

[GoldfishFromTheMoon]

Oh wow I missed that while I was writing my post

[GoldfishFromTheMoon]

If turtle is mafia this means the game is over.

[GoldfishFromTheMoon]

I was thinking it was TTTT at the end, I won't lie.

Not gonna lie so was I

[GoldfishFromTheMoon]

i
i think out of everyone, goldfishfromthemoon was really admirable for this game. they took on the challenge of the slot they replaced into and it didn't really look like they wanted to throw in the towel. though everybody played good, this is what stands out the most in my eyes at least.

Thank you!! ( :

[GoldfishFromTheMoon]

even if none of you came back to talk to me after the game ended...

Sorry we're all focused on pur current games I think.