Mini 2266: GnG's Upick Mafia [GAME OVER]

[Yume]

Ego. Hope I get my first pick.

[Yume]

Hello to you all, is all.

[Yume]

I feel like vibing.

[Yume]

I will participate

[Yume]

I am a warrior, so I think I will go for warrior tree first.

[Yume]

Hi, I am a mason.

I don't believe you.

[Yume]

VOTE: mastina

Lal

[Yume]

I don't believe you.

You better tho since I am in fact town.

3/5

YoU'd BeTtEr Tr Me ThO sInCe I aM iN fAcT tOwN aS wElL.

[Yume]

Okay, quick post. *angry growls*

- JF

P.S And yes, I am crumbing my flavors, as per tradition.

[Yume]

Okay, quick post. *angry growls*

- JF

P.S And yes, I am crumbing my flavors, as per tradition.

You failed challenge btw.

Lies!

Spoiler:

No, seriously, lies. I've been keeping an eye on it.

[Yume]

But you went to check!

What's that mean?

[Yume]

Fiddle faddle, squash my diddle daddle.

4

[Yume]

BuRnInG tHe BrIdGeS oN dIsPlaY fOr YoU.

VOTE: DuNnStRaL

[Yume]

My vote remains.

[Yume]

Well, if it helps the town, I am willing to die.

[Yume]

Yo, I am here, and I will not be participating in this challenge, because this challenge will turn out bad.

[Yume]

I am pretty sure I gave those points to Gypyx.

[Yume]

Hey, listen, jjh is in this game, and he is an expert in reading me. Each time we played together, he was never wrong about my alignment, as far as I remember.

So, when it comes to me, sheep him. If he says I am town, I am town. If he says I am scum, I am scum.

Thank you.

[Yume]

Then he would probably bus me. Probably. Either way, he'll help lim me if I am scum, whether he is also scum or not. Probably.

[Yume]

Let's ask him.

Hey, jjh, would you bus me if we were scum together?

[Yume]

I see.

[Yume]

- JMF

[Yume]

VOTE: Gypyx

[Yume]

I will always copy this, and then copy this, and then copy this, and then copy this, at the beginning of literally every post after realising it might help other people too

UNVOTE: Gypyx

I am town, but technically speaking, I need to do this for ~reasons~.

Sus.

[Yume]

hello !

it's late in the night for me, so just popping in, but i kinda doubt i'd be alive to speak once awake anyways so yeah, there's that, from a quick glance, i'd say that Yume and others shouldn't be allowed to coast by the game as he hasn't done much of significance yet really

honestly i've fell to my old habits of being less interested in games once it stops being fun so... yeah, that's totally fair, sorry ~_~

Oh, you want something significant?

Well, how about this?

[Yume]

And done.

If anyone asks, the Oompa-Loompas are behind this, not me.

[Yume]

I refuse. Explained why in the hood.

[Yume]

So...mastina's vote is still counted despite the fact that she unvoted... *scratches head*

[Yume]

Maybe mastina has an ability of some sort that is similar to mine?

[Yume]

Yeah I'm just wondering why that was the conclusion you lept to on your last post rather than assuming mod error

Um...the mod already confirmed it's not mod error...

[Yume]

The vote count is indeed correct

Here. He confirmed it's not a mod error right here.

[Yume]

I will participate.

I am here.

[Yume]

-insert irrelevant stuff here, since I am forbidden from voting, lol-

[Yume]

I bought miller, so yes.

[Yume]

[Yume]

I will participate

I am town, and I have a lot to review and also to REVEAL, once I am home.

Waiting...

[Yume]

Just passing by.

Oh, and I am not a double-voter anymore.

[Yume]

VOTE: Roden

That okay?

[Yume]

Not yet, though.

[Yume]

Well, actually, there is no harm in voting him, as long as he is not limmed yet.

VOTE: Dwlee

[Yume]

Get talking or end the day. Don't care which, but get off your butts and do something!

[Yume]

I do like the GOT references, though.

And I think this is my fourth post, so...



The iron throne.

[Yume]

Oh well, I can deal with this.

[Yume]

I will not retry unless it benefits the town somehow.

[Yume]

Bunnies.

[Yume]

Talk...please...

[Yume]

blurb.

[Yume]

Because of stuff...

I will retry the challenge

[Yume]

The night is dark and full of bunnies. ^^

[Yume]

Hi.

[Yume]

I don't entirely trust jjh either. There is just something about them that makes me feel uneasy.

[Yume]

I've already voted, actually?

Also, is the failed challenge universal? Like, if you failed it on one in-game day, can you still win during the subsequent in-game days?

[Yume]

*Insert shrug here.* Kupatana.

[Yume]

There is an easy way to check mastina. Vig her and then bring her back if she is town. Just throwing that.

[Yume]

Also, should we fullclaim now?

[Yume]

I am kinda lost, lol.

I don't know who to trust anymore. *shrugs*

[Yume]

So I guess I will sheep the guilty for now and go from there.

VOTE: mastina

[Yume]

My head hurts.

[Yume]

UNVOTE:

I am having second thoughts.

[Yume]

I have some things to share.

[Yume]

I'm town, yes, so bloody eliminate jjh for his shitpush on me after, please, thx.

I am coming 'round to that way of thinking.

[Yume]

Yeah, I am going to do da ting. jjh said not to, but I don't trust him anymore.

[Yume]

YOLO.

[Yume]

Because I feel like he is manipulating me using the hood.

I am giving him a chance to prove me wrong, though.

[Yume]

yume gladiting when we have clear suspects and reasons to pursue outside of your suspect is an anti town play. please don't do it

He is refusing the alternative.

[Yume]

Yume, you remember how in the hood you were still hung up on that one game 6 years ago where people did things you didn't think were optimal and your faction lost because of it?

You're being those people right now. Why is your freedom to choose this action right now more important than the opinions of literally everyone else in the game? It's not. I can't stop you doing it except with words. But when it comes to the endgame, however things transpire, I hope you learn a lesson about how ultimately mafia is about making choices because you believe them to be right, and not just making a choice and sticking to it. Maybe you can cite this game rather than one from over half a decade ago as the reason for a changed mentality going beyond it. The gladiate ability is the epitome of making a choice and not being able to take it back, and right now you would be using it in a moment of weakness. You will be wrong.

As long as you believe that the freedom of making a choice is more important than winning, I will never agree with you.

That said, I will not to it, at least not during this phase.

[Yume]

To be quite honest, I've seen you make whole strings of badly informed choices in this game, and I've explained why they are badly informed and that you should not do them

And I know it too. And you know what else I know? I know that I suck at reading players.

[Yume]

And that other thing is the only way I can trust you, so I wanted you to agree with it no matter what.

[Yume]

The threat of gladiate is my assurance that you will.

[Yume]

I mean, it's not more important than winning

It's just that you don't recognise that you're someone who makes choices too, and when you make choices at the expense of other players in the game, you actually lower your chances of winning

Maybe, but if those players start making bad choices themselves, then what?

[Yume]

You haven't had to watch town run around like headless chickens after you died. You also haven't had to watch them antagonize the one player you knew was right purely for the sake of the freedom to make bad choices after you died.

[Yume]

Yume, Gladiate will put you and someone else in elimination pool. If you're town then there is a 50% chance that you ruined that day phase just statistically speaking,

unless if you have a solid case against someone almost always gladiating is an anti town utility.

Gladiating can be useful in a very specific conditions but this is clearly not one. can you please evaluate a read list for me

I believe I said I suck at reading players.

[Yume]

Have you considered trying to get better at it

I have, once, but certain events made me realize it's a waste of time. People would always see me as 'bad', and so would never actually listen to me, regardless of whether I got better at it or not.

[Yume]

Besides, being bad has certain advantages of its own.

[Yume]

I kinda scumread jjh because he is reluctant to let himself be townfirmed, and I have a nagging feeling he is setting things up for the townfirm to fail. It's not something I can explain rationally, but it's there.

[Yume]

Then explain why he refuses to be townfirmed, okay?

[Yume]

You want to lim her? Then why aren't you telling people to do it? They will listen to you.

[Yume]

VOTE: mastina

[Yume]

Anyone who doesn't read mastina posts can eat sand. Because you know how you determine that someone is town or scum? You read their posts. Either that or you use mechanics to help you. Now, I do the latter, mostly. But the rest of you read posts and determine your readings that way.

I have finally come up with a readlist.

Possible scum: jjh*, mastina*, Roden.

*mostly because while I don't think it's the case, it's still possible.

Everyone else could be town.

P.S: By the way, mastina, you should probably not scumread me anymore.

[Yume]

Okay.

Vote: Enchant

[Yume]

VOTE: Roden

[Yume]

Could someone also answer why I am still alive despite the vigs? I don't see anyone saying anything on that front.

[Yume]

Could someone also answer why I am still alive despite the vigs? I don't see anyone saying anything on that front.

Why would a vig shoot you?

Because they did. They said they did. Multiple times in fact.

[Yume]

Roden could be lying about that shot. Also, check the PT.

[Yume]

How about no? He is displaying the same defeatist attitude as both flipped scum did. He is scum.

[Yume]

Hello. I may have news soon.

[Yume]

I am currently inclined to do so. I will not vote yet, though.

[Yume]

Actually, no. She is town. Trust me. Also, you can tell them now, jjh.

[Yume]

Right. Since jjh isn't around to say things, I will. I successfully formed a masonry with mastina, and unless some fuckery is involved, she is town. However, I will rely on KISS method and treat her as town until further notice. So unless someone has reasons to believe I was redirected or something, she is off the table.

[Yume]

I've told this to jjh as well, and he can confirm.

[Yume]

I don't know who to vote, though, as I expected the masonry to fail. I guess I will vote Enchant for now.

VOTE: Enchant

[Yume]

@Mod Could that second post be deleted? I double-posted due to glitch.

[Yume]

Eh?

[Yume]

Yeah, we're voting mastina today.

You saw what I wrote, right?

[Yume]

Like, I know I am a bad player, but seriously? Do you think mastina and I are scum together and I am protecting her with fake masonry?

[Yume]

*sigh* No point in trying then. I guess I will just throw the gladiate in and die.

[Yume]

I will decide tomorrow
I guess.

[Yume]

That moment when you successfully masonize a player, yet others are still planning to vote them due to your reputation.

Fml

[Yume]

Yeah, we're voting mastina today.

You saw what I wrote, right?

Yes.

...

VOTE: Titus

[Yume]

Today. D4.

[Yume]

Well, you have one chance. Provide me proof that my masonize was tampered with and I will vote mastina with you. Especially since my other action suggests she is scum.

Night action. But I also rolestopped mastina, so scum!mastina can't have tampered with my shot.

[Yume]

Then again, I rolestopped mastina and there are no kills.

[Yume]

Well, I did.

It's a night action. Me stealing your role is a night action and functions as such.

[Yume]

Yes. Which is why I said she is town.

[Yume]

Right. Since jjh isn't around to say things, I will. I successfully formed a masonry with mastina, and unless some fuckery is involved, she is town. However, I will rely on KISS method and treat her as town until further notice. So unless someone has reasons to believe I was redirected or something, she is off the table.

how can you be redirected if you are a mason with her

You're the ones insisting she is scum despite the masonry. So cough up reasons why she is not. I'll be waiting.

[Yume]

UNVOTE:

P-edit: I already said that we do have a PT.

[Yume]

you literally just masonized her

and you literally said it could be tampered with so its not a full 10000% masonry

so i dont give a fuck about your mech im going to want to kill her because of her dayplay

The masonize itself cannot be tampered with, but the role steal can be. But sure. Go ahead and try. *shrug*

P-edit: I have a mason PT with her due to the action which can't work if she is scum.

[Yume]

Anyway, I told you what I have. Up to you what you do with it.

[Yume]

Just asked the mod about it. What she tells me, I tell you.

[Yume]

But I am going to sleep now, so wait until morning.

[Yume]

Actually, might as well tell you now. Mod guarantees that mastina isn't mafia. Make of that what you will.

[Yume]

I am awake.

[Yume]

I also think we should stop resurrecting people.

[Yume]

Also, I am not scum, but I'll ask anyway.

[Yume]

Sure.

[Yume]

I had hoped that I would be able to resolve mastina with that shot, but it turns out it's not as cut and dry as I had hoped it would be.

[Yume]

Cause the mod only said she is not mafia. Not mafia doesn't mean town, though, as she could still be a werewolf. So I don't know anymore.

[Yume]

Sure, but later. I am kinda sleep deprived rn.

[Yume]

In regards as to what happens when scum tries to use masonize/rolesteal, mod says that it's not public knowledge. I'll ask the rest of questions later.

[Yume]

Also, the mod said that mafia could also steal a masonizer, but what happens when they use it is not public knowledge.

[Yume]

VOTE: Enchant

[Yume]

Also, the mod said that mafia could also steal a masonizer, but what happens when they use it is not public knowledge.

thanks for asking.

Can you also ask that the fact that you stole the role from titus means that titus had the exact same role or maybe they could have the scum version of it?

I could, but I doubt I will get an answer.

[Yume]

Yume, can you confirm on your end what the masoniser confirms to your target about your own alignment?

It just says that we're masons.

[Yume]

Okay, asked.

Could you ask the above as well, mastina? You're good at getting answers by phrasing.

[Yume]

Well, apparently neither of us are confirmed town to one another, but we're confirmed not mafia to one another. That's the answer I got, but mastina is also asking questions, and she might get a different answer.

[Yume]

so the group of 4 of you: titus mastina you and lld are confirmed as NOT mafia to one another but either one of the 4 can be a scum but not mafia. is that the conclusion you reached?

It is so.

[Yume]

I mean, I'd prefer it if we're all town, but it is what it is.

[Yume]

And the fact that there are no kills bothers me.

[Yume]

Beep boop.

[Yume]

Boop.

[Yume]

I say just lim him and go from there.

[Yume]

That's not the right play. I would explain why, but I am not good at paraphrasing.

[Yume]

You have strange tunnels this game.

Oh, this one ain't my tunnel (well, it sorta is, but the main pusher is someone else.)

[Yume]

is it scumtina

She is not mafia. The mod told me so.

[Yume]

My fingers are itching to gladiate. Don't give my fingers a reason to do it.

[Yume]

I spent six years being angry over that loss. Don't make it a repeat because you would rather mistrust the game mod than think clearly.

[Yume]

VOTE: Enchant

I'm happy to just do this

The rest of you should do this too.

[Yume]

One more.

[Yume]

Might as well give our reasoning.

Yes, i need do extra thing. It's not hard though, i am very good at XP gaining, my only real competetors are Yuma and mafia.

How does know that mafia is his competitor in terms of XP? It's not exactly public knowledge.

[Yume]

Sorry for ruining your chance for big post, mastina, and thank you, JJH.

[Yume]

And now my watch has ended.

[Yume]

Back to being bored. *goes back into the severs*

[Yume]

I was the doctor on Yume on night 3

THIS BOTHERED ME SO MUCH LMAO

No literally a MUP player with a N3 doctor flips at night and everyone wonders what possibly could have happened.

MUP player?

[Yume]

By the way Yume-

At some points I absolutely was manipulating you. That's not inherently mafia play for me; if I'm trying to convince a player who is more emotionally driven than logical, then it's just the better tool for persuasion. I felt like you got a lot better at about day 4 and I let you do your thing at that point- you were less afraid to reach conclusions and that's a really good thing you can work on to improve as a player. If I had admitted in the game I was manipulating you though, I don't think you'd ever have been able to release the paranoia.

I never did my own thing, not really. It was you and mastina who were the solvers, while I supported you.

[Yume]

So in the next upick
I will probably be picking characters from a certain book series. Robb FTW!

[Yume]

Also, ironically, mastina and I were masons. We just didn't know it.

[Yume]

Sorry for rambling, but I have so much wild energy.

[Yume]

By the way Yume-

At some points I absolutely was manipulating you. That's not inherently mafia play for me; if I'm trying to convince a player who is more emotionally driven than logical, then it's just the better tool for persuasion. I felt like you got a lot better at about day 4 and I let you do your thing at that point- you were less afraid to reach conclusions and that's a really good thing you can work on to improve as a player. If I had admitted in the game I was manipulating you though, I don't think you'd ever have been able to release the paranoia.

I never did my own thing, not really. It was you and mastina who were the solvers, while I supported you.

On day 4, Mastina and I were both directly opposed. I did end up backing off, but you were actively looking at both of us and trying to make a decision, and your decision in that day phase was to vote neither of us. That was correct.

Well, tbh, I was considering voting you today, but mastina changed that decision.

[Yume]

Anyhow, I am looking forward to reading the PTs. By the way, my flavors were Janja, Falco and Maeglin, and I am interested to know what other people's flavors were.

[Yume]

Anyhow, we won, and we had fun, and that's what's important. And with that, I bid you good night.

[Yume]

Also, I am adding a thing to my signature now that this game is over.