Mini 2266: GnG's Upick Mafia [GAME OVER]

[jjh927]

I will participate

@mod: you may want to revisit the language use within the vc

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[jjh927]

It's gonna be easy to keep up with this challenge provided I remember to leave a number at the bottom of my posts. I suggest anyone else doing the challenge does the same so it reminds everyone else it's a thing, because obviously forgetting is failure

VOTE: Roden


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[jjh927]

I want it on record that I have never before received a role that is more in line with my skillset

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[jjh927]

Anyone going for mage tree should just try their best to not be a clown
I would be intrigued as to what "1-shot miller" actually means because it could be miller for 1 night or it could be miller until the first person cop checks. If anyone does go down that route I would like clarification on that asap

At any rate, announcing it may be a good idea, but I would like to point out that I don't think there's anything stopping you from saving up 2 or more experience and buying both the miller and the doctor simultaneously.


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[jjh927]

YeAh MaYbE dOn'T jUsT dIvE iN oN bEiNg A mIlLeR wItHoUt AnY pArTiCuLaR rEaSoN wHeN wE aReN't In A rUsH tO fIgUrE iT oUt. If YoU wAiT uNtIl DaY 2 aT lEaSt ThEn A cOp Or SiMiLaR hAs A wHoLe NiGhT tO cHeCk YoU, aNd YoU wIlL pRoBaBlY hAvE tHe Xp To TaKe ThE dOcToR.

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[jjh927]

It has occurred to me that I could alternate capitalisation on every post but I am not doing that

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[jjh927]

Okay that's a funny PR and it's funnier how you're having to balance a 4 and a 5 post counter

Btw, guessing it wasn't just me who got 2 of my picks weirdly mashed together rather than any 1 of my picks

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[jjh927]

At deadline, Roden would be voted out.

Eliminations are based off simple majority (half the living players + 1, rounded down) voting to eliminate someone. If no majority is reached by deadline, or a simple majority votes no elimination, then a no elimination will occur. At evens, half the living players is sufficient to no elimination.

@Mod: think this is a discrepancy. The latest votecount indicates plurality, while the game rules indicate it is explicitly not plurality.

Also, Roden doesn't seem to be in the challenge list but I think he should be, and you might wanna use E-x on the votecount as that's the terminology now

PEdit: Looks like Reinhardt also noticed the same


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[jjh927]

Yeah, figured it's just teething problems

Saying people are E-1 etc was a pretty natural change

[jjh927]

OoPs, DiDn'T rEmEmBeR tO cOuNt

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[jjh927]

Wait, so if the VC is accurate then

A. This day phase at minimum is plurality, probably due to a role of some kind
B. Roden is already out of the challenge somehow, or was never in it

Interesting

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[jjh927]

In that case, Pooky, tell us how it works.

The best bit is that if you're lying then we'll find out later

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[jjh927]

I mean, my understanding was that everyone was just assigned one of the three things and thrown into one of three neighbourhoods, independent of whether you actually take anything from that tree

There are already 4 of us who have posted in my hood

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[jjh927]

It won't be hard to figure out whether or not investing in a skill gets you access to a hood. . .

but I don't think there's any indication that it does right now.

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[jjh927]

I mEaN, I fEeL iT gOeS wItHoUt SaYiNg ThAt BuLlEtPrOoF iS tHe StRoNgEsT aBiLiTy ThErE, bEsIdEs ThE uNpReDiCtAbLe

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[jjh927]

The engineers might be interesting because obviously the effects of upgrading someone's role PM could wildly vary and we have no way of knowing what would happen

And of course, we don't know about the mysterious 4th ability

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[jjh927]

If I'm honest, I'm suspicious mafia might have some kind of unrestricted strongman nightkill with the bulletproofs being able to block any other nightkill stuff given how easily accessible these things are

I don't disagree with the idea that everyone should probably get bulletproof though.

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[jjh927]

I'm still waiting for a few entrances and for things to progress a little. I'm not gonna rush it because things aren't gonna jump out, however;

-I think Yume will be extremely easy to place this game as either alignment. In a week we'll probably have a conclusive answer there.
-I am hesitant to place Mastina given a recent scumgame of hers.
-I have expectations of Roden's towngame and we'll see if he meets them
-Dunnstral is probably town from this discussion
-I am gonna need to see more from Pooky. He can be lazy but he'll still do things if town
-At some point, LLD is going to show up, and that will be a significant development

[jjh927]

Interesting that we're going different ways on this, but I don't think Dunnstral would have got something wrong around the way the hoods work if he had access to a scum PT. For that misconception, it's most likely he is town and the PT for whatever skillset he's got has been much more silent than mine

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[jjh927]

ThAnK yOu FoR pOiNtInG oUt ThE mIsSiNg 3

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[jjh927]

Dunn, I don't want to talk mechanics. Talk people. Who do you want to work with this game. Same to you jjh.

Who do you think would help me improve as a player? Who do you think I struggle to read?

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If you didn't want to talk mechanics, you would simply talk about something else. Instead it feels like you are trying to intervene and distract and deflect away as hard as possible from the mechanical suggestions with little reasoning.

Interesting that we're going different ways on this, but I don't think Dunnstral would have got something wrong around the way the hoods work if he had access to a scum PT. For that misconception, it's most likely he is town and the PT for whatever skillset he's got has been much more silent than mine

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I am not aware of anything that I have gotten wrong.

Assuming the player list was split evenly between the hoods,

No reason to think this, it went off of u-pick flavors

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You don't get placed into the hoods as a result of having the abilities. You just get placed into hoods.

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[jjh927]

VOTE: Gypyx

I'm up for switching my vote a bit

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[jjh927]

There isn't anything behind the scenes here, Mastina

In my case it's a lazy jjh vote; ie it is the combination of factors that feed subconsciously into gut. One of those factors is definitely reading the room; it is not a surprise to me that this big pile of my townreads joined me on this wagon, and in fact I welcome it because predictable behaviour makes it easier for me to place people.

I would prefer the day to play out but I have no intention of unvoting.

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[jjh927]

What is the elephant in the room?

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The hoods and anyone who's lurking in them.

I mean, my understanding was that everyone was just assigned one of the three things and thrown into one of three neighbourhoods, independent of whether you actually take anything from that tree

There are already 4 of us who have posted in my hood

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Only two others have posted in my hood besides myself. Assuming the player list was split evenly between the hoods, they should be 4-4-5 or 4-4-4 with the 13th player being hoodless. My current suspicion is on whoever is staying silent in my hood, but it's possible they just haven't been online yet.

Also, I've been way too overconfident with my reads lately, but I still read Dunn as town due to their tone. Their town and scum tones are like night and day to me.

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This is an interesting predicament. Everyone should at least say hi in their hood. Given the amount of hoods and the size of a scumteam, at max there is one pure hood. This assumes hoods have 4 or more. Mine has 4.

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Indeed- as such, the scumteam as a whole likely already have the information as to who is in what hood, either by extrapolation or by just having access to all the hoods.

I think it is therefore worth revealing who is in which hoods

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[jjh927]

If I'm HoNeSt I wAsN'T eXpEcTiNg OnE iMmEdIaTeLy. ThIs Is HoW tHaT kInD oF sCuM pLaYeR rEsPoNdS tO a BiT oF pReSsUrE; tHe PrOtEsTiNg CoMeS wHeN iT cAn No LoNgEr Be ReAsOnAbLy PuT oFf As It Is ThE kInD oF bOtHeR tHaT pEoPlE tEnD tO pRoCrAsTiNaTe DeAlInG wItH.

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[jjh927]

When everyone has posted a bit more perhaps I will oblige

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[jjh927]

I do feel that holding off on the hammer is important regardless


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[jjh927]

I aM gOiNg To NeEd A gOoD rEaSoN tO vOtE gYpYx

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that's the thing yeah, my wagon is litterally made of only naked votes, i'd agree with what jjh is saying in normal times, but like, given peoples are just chasing XP, there's not much to defend there

i'd say dunn's looking the least bad rn, but apart from that...

If you don't care about the wagon then why is talking about it as an insurmountable obstacle such a focus of yours

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[jjh927]

I don't have reads on everyone in thread yet- a particular one I've noticed people have that I don't yet is FA. Could you elaborate on that one for me, Mastina?

Fwiw while Pooky has accurately described what's going on in the hood, the activity we've had is indicative of town!Yume and I think it might be indicative of town!Pooky as well. In Pooky's case I note he has kinda started slow and span up towards where he is currently at. Might be worth me reading some decent Pooky scumgames over the weekend.

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[jjh927]

RaNkInG oF kInGs WaS fAnTaStIc AnD i HoPe It GeTs A sEaSoN 2.

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[jjh927]

VOTE: Enchant

I still don't want to vote Pooky although if I'm honest that first PT that Mastina linked of one of Pooky's scumgames frightens me a bit
Key difference however is that Pooky has made visible effort to place people in the hood here

I'm happy to get off Gypyx and see what happens

That leaves a loud and combative individual trying to claim LLD isn't actually conftown when this is exactly the kind of reveal LLD makes in line with her townplay, since she strongly regards the idea of thread control and ensuring that town have the initiative

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[jjh927]

On the strategic level, I'm gonna try and get someone in my hood to give me an experience point so I can upgrade someone's role PM. My original offer was that I'd upgrade their role PM but I might just pick someone instead.

Just thought I'd remind the thread that giving someone in a shared hood 1 exp is a possible action, and can grant access to the engineer ability right at the start of night 1 if someone has generated 2 exp themself (read: by being on wagon and completing the challenge with no do-over.)
Use discretion for the visibility of such transactions as of course, scum also share a PT and can presumably also share exp 1:1. This may present a rare opportunity to catch scum for embezzlement at some point in the game.

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[jjh927]

I figured from context you most likely started with one, as opposed to the experience related method

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[jjh927]

Enchant, can we take a step back here and discuss what is actually griping you at the moment rather than calling people useless?

What is your precise issue

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[jjh927]

YeAh I'm JuSt NoTiNg YoUr ArGuMeNt StOpPeD bEiNg PrOdUcTiVe QuItE a WhIlE aGo As NoBoDy Is HeArInG eAcH oThEr

[jjh927]

Well there you go. I think you expect Enchant to cooperate if town. That's not necessarily the case, so let me see if I can get to the root of why Enchant is not cooperating and determine if it's in good faith

I'm happy to wait as I have 2 whole trashy seasonal animes to watch an episode of as it is Saturday

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[jjh927]

Titus, can I just check you understand the following;

The engineer ability upgrades someone else
You can't upgrade yourself with it. If Gypyx wants to get upgrade it makes sense for Gypyx to move the experience to someone else who can then upgrade them


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[jjh927]

Titus, can I just check you understand the following;

The engineer ability upgrades someone else
You can't upgrade yourself with it. If Gypyx wants to get upgrade it makes sense for Gypyx to move the experience to someone else who can then upgrade them


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-Giving one person all of the experience is a bad idea for multiple obvious reasons.
-Experience can be passed between two people who share a hood of any kind at a 1:1 rate. For example, LLD should be able to share experience with her mason partner regardless of whether or not they have the same skill related hood.
-From what Enchant has said, the 0.5 exp ability is just a separate target anyone thing.

You aren't coming across to me as the more coherent perspective any more, Titus. I think the bad assumptions are on your side of the argument.



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[jjh927]

Please pretend I quoted your response.

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[jjh927]

I hAvE nOw FiNiShEd ThE sTrOnGeSt SaGe WiTh ThE wEaKeSt CrEsT

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[jjh927]

Titus, I am telling you that you have thoroughly misunderstood the mechanics of this game, and ask that you read this post until you understand it. If you have any questions, please ask them.

If you're worried about tracker results or similar being messed up by the experience stuff, then you are worried about something inevitable. There is no way that anything can be done about this. This is the kind of game where actions will be flying around wildly, and there is literally a ninja ability that can be bought for 1 experience. Scum do not need an excuse to visit people in this game.

Enchant does not need to have a hood with Mastina because the 0.5 experience thing is Enchant's ability. It is a day action that targets any player and gives them 0.5 experience. This does not drain enchant's experience.
Separately from this, everyone has the ability to give other player's their own experience. They can either do this at a 1:1 rate if they share a hood, or a 2:1 rate if they do not ( ie, they give 1 exp and the target receives 0.5 exp). This can happen at any time and I think should occur instantly, so it can happen at the start of the night phase, for example.

Enchant is likely not blackmailing Gypyx, but explaining the reality that someone else needs to have and then use the experience to gain access to the engineer ability. Enchant does not need to be the one to have the experience, though. It could be anyone, as long as it is not the person whose role PM needs to be upgraded. Someone just needs to have 3 experience to buy an engineer ability and the two previous abilities from any skill tree, and then can target anyone to upgrade a role PM.

I imagine that Enchant would see nothing wrong with the idea of you having the 3 experience so you can upgrade Gypyx's role PM- aside from how thoroughly you have misunderstood the mechanics, and how by dropping out of the challenge and not trying again you are effectively taxing Enchant's experience more by expecting him to supply more of it. From the sounds of it, Enchant's problem is that Gypyx cannot logistically have the experience to upgrade their own role PM. This is a mechanical fact, rather than an issue that Enchant has with Gypyx. Someone else has to have that experience and spend it in order to upgrade Gypyx's role PM.

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[jjh927]

Context is always better than me just extending my situational awareness

Enchant may well be being uncooperative but if I'm honest I think your plan is bad and relies on incorrect mechanical assumptions

[jjh927]

By the way, when did all the pronouns disappear?

Pedit: what did you do to blackmail gypyx

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[jjh927]

lmao, okay that's maybe a bit underhanded

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[jjh927]

[unvpte][/unvote]

I tHiNk EnChAnT iS tOwN fRoM tHiS dIsCuSsIoN

[jjh927]

UNVOTE:

Just fixing that tag

I will be genuinely furious if that causes me to fail the challenge because it is clearly a typo of something outside the bounds of the challenge

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[jjh927]

Honestly I anticipate I will commit two crimes of a similar level to enchant's over the course of this game

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[jjh927]

Fwiw Enchant, you probably already know this but optimal use of your ability in the short term is to give the exp to someone who retries the challenge and is gonna succeed and then be on wagon, or someone who succeeds the challenge first try without being on wagon, since the integers are the important thresholds and the beginning of the night phase is the most important time.

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[jjh927]

Do you want to switch focus to reads a bit? Anyone you want to talk about, Enchant?

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[jjh927]

FrOm WhAt I uNdErStAnD oF tItUs' PlAn, It InVoLvEs HoArDiNg ExP oN dEsIgNaTeD pLaYeRs WiTh No ReGaRd FoR pRaCtIcAlItY

[jjh927]

I also think it's possible there may be a fundamental misunderstanding about what it means to upgrade a role PM, but time will tell on that front.

Given that in my case my role PM is an inconceivable mashup of two of my picks, these being the entire seasonal anime 'Life with an ordinary guy who reincarnated into a total fantasy knockout' and the character Rit from 'Banished from the hero's party I decided to live a quiet life in the countryside' from which information I feel there is no way you could guess my role, I am concerned that an upgrade to my role PM might introduce my third pick of Bojji from 'Ranking of Kings' to this mixture somehow rather than being a direct upgrade to the role.

I mean, it could be played straight and improve the abilities in a more predictable way, but please stop assuming it will

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[jjh927]

Booo, give us reads

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[jjh927]

Titus, I am telling you that you have thoroughly misunderstood the mechanics of this game, and ask that you read this post until you understand it. If you have any questions, please ask them.

If you're worried about tracker results or similar being messed up by the experience stuff, then you are worried about something inevitable. There is no way that anything can be done about this. This is the kind of game where actions will be flying around wildly, and there is literally a ninja ability that can be bought for 1 experience. Scum do not need an excuse to visit people in this game.

Enchant does not need to have a hood with Mastina because the 0.5 experience thing is Enchant's ability. It is a day action that targets any player and gives them 0.5 experience. This does not drain enchant's experience.
Separately from this, everyone has the ability to give other player's their own experience. They can either do this at a 1:1 rate if they share a hood, or a 2:1 rate if they do not ( ie, they give 1 exp and the target receives 0.5 exp). This can happen at any time and I think should occur instantly, so it can happen at the start of the night phase, for example.

Enchant is likely not blackmailing Gypyx, but explaining the reality that someone else needs to have and then use the experience to gain access to the engineer ability. Enchant does not need to be the one to have the experience, though. It could be anyone, as long as it is not the person whose role PM needs to be upgraded. Someone just needs to have 3 experience to buy an engineer ability and the two previous abilities from any skill tree, and then can target anyone to upgrade a role PM.

I imagine that Enchant would see nothing wrong with the idea of you having the 3 experience so you can upgrade Gypyx's role PM- aside from how thoroughly you have misunderstood the mechanics, and how by dropping out of the challenge and not trying again you are effectively taxing Enchant's experience more by expecting him to supply more of it. From the sounds of it, Enchant's problem is that Gypyx cannot logistically have the experience to upgrade their own role PM. This is a mechanical fact, rather than an issue that Enchant has with Gypyx. Someone else has to have that experience and spend it in order to upgrade Gypyx's role PM.

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Still relevant
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[jjh927]

Like, ignore the line about Enchant not blackmailing gypyx because aside from the rather strong word use there he kinda did

Points around your mechanical misunderstanding of how upgrading role PMs works, on the other hand, are a pretty big deal, and you need to understand that you as a player are trying to force Enchant to part with hard-earned experience from the challenge which you yourself are unwilling to do, much like a feudal lord reaping the rewards of peasant labour. I think due to a combination of your misconceptions and lack of awareness to how you are coming off to Enchant you have made cooperation very difficult.

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[jjh927]

WhY dOn'T i HaVe AnY sUnDaY sEaSoNaL aNiMeS tHiS sEaSoN

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[jjh927]

Could you put in your own terms what you think the deal that enchant is offering is and why it won't work

[jjh927]

Might also be helpful if you explain what you think you are offering and why you think it would work but that's secondary

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[jjh927]

I mean, Gypyx was my gut scumread and I've seen nothing to dissuade me, but I've been forced to engage the conscious part of my brain so I've moved away

[jjh927]

Oh, that was number 3. Better post a couple more so I have a cushion for similar lapses

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[jjh927]

BuUuUuUuH

[jjh927]

Did you just self hammer

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[jjh927]

I was gonna vote but IDK what the VC is now

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[jjh927]

Yeah that was self hammer. Fuck, I'm 0.5 exp down. Yo Enchant, can you hook me up real fast? Promise it'll be good

Pooky, I think I can safely say that as either alignment you have bummed everyone out and if town you have explicitly played against wincon on tbis occasion.

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[jjh927]

Oh, I'll make it public that one of my abilities is starting with the bulletproof unlocked and it sticks around until it blocks a shot. It's passive.

One of my possible anticipated crimes was gonna be trying to get an experience point on the grounds of needing it for the engineer when in fact I only need 2 exp for the engineer, which without a pooky self hammer I would have had, and with an extra would have unlocked the warrior tier 4 instead

But yeah, let's see what happens with the upgrading. If enchant can pop in I would very much appreciate that 0.5 exp though

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[jjh927]

Hi I'm PoOkY aNd SeLf HaMmErInG iS nOt AnTi-ToWn BeCaUsE i ThInK eVeRyOnE eLsE sUcKs

[jjh927]

The wagon finished because you asked for people to vote you after just deciding you were done and then self hammered. If you don't flip scum then all responsibility has shifted to you

Ultimately I didn't TR you any harder than I defended you, though I was looking for other options and you absolutely killed any chance of that now. Your play in hood looked town to me but your play in thread did not, culminating in this. This is nobody's responsibility but your own.



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[jjh927]

Yeah, and I checked and someone else voted after that votecount. Think it was reinhardt

+Dunn, +Pooky

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[jjh927]

Oooh it was gypyx not reinhardt then

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[jjh927]

I will participate

sweats profusely

@mod: please could you clarify what is meant by the "sentence above"? If a post has multiple sentences, such as this one, then is it the first or the last sentence? What happens if the sentence above has less than 4 words?

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[jjh927]

So if Gypy doesn't give us at least 3 conftown right now, we're flash wagoning them. Correct?

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I know full well he can't do that because the upgrade system gives you your third pick

I also conducted a little experiment on the mage hood and would like to know the results of that, so let's see-
Did anyone in the mage hood claim anything they received during the night phase?

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[jjh927]

it is now four time

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[jjh927]

Now we stuff four of this word "four" into both posts. "Four" is easily done four times, and we can't cut each other off from doing it because the fourth word remains the same.

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[jjh927]

But yeah I think at least one of Titus/Gypyx is scum, possibly both, but my experiment should prove fairly conclusively whether either of them are actually willing to cooperate or were just insisting they receive all the resources for their own benefit

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[jjh927]

I'm also quite interested in whether Gypyx proceeded to explain that it was related to his third pick and not a direct upgrade to his role

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[jjh927]

I will always copy this, and then copy this, and then copy this, and then copy this, at the beginning of my third and fourth posts, which I will then proceed to make in quick succession.


This challenge is gonna be a real fucker and might dissuade me from mobile posting when things are busier.

[jjh927]

I will always copy this, and then copy this, and then copy this, and then copy this, at the beginning of my third and fourth posts, which I will then proceed to make in quick succession.

Clearing #4

[jjh927]

I will always copy this, and then copy this, and then copy this, and then copy this, at the beginning of literally every post after realising it might help other people too


Reinhardt, tell us stories of the mage hood

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[jjh927]

I will always copy this, and then copy this, and then copy this, and then copy this, at the beginning of literally every post after realising it might help other people too

To give you a bit of a prompt, I did total up how much experience everyone had. I would be very interested in whether any cooperation occurred within the mage hood in order to collect enough experience to upgrade someone's role PM

[jjh927]

I will always copy this, and then copy this, and then copy this, and then copy this, at the beginning of literally every post after realising it might help other people too

It sounds like Titus is acting as though she didn't see that you said you would upgrade Gypyx even though you made it really goddamn clear you were going to do that

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[jjh927]

I will always copy this, and then copy this, and then copy this, and then copy this, at the beginning of literally every post after realising it might help other people too

More importantly, also sounds like nothing fucking happened in their hood which would indicate a total failure of my test

VOTE: Titus

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[jjh927]

I will always copy this, and then copy this, and then copy this, and then copy this, at the beginning of literally every post after realising it might help other people too

Sure

If you really masonised LLD then I'm sure she told you what me and Yume talked about last night

[jjh927]

I will always copy this, and then copy this, and then copy this, and then copy this, at the beginning of literally every post after realising it might help other people too

Also, again with your complete lack of any mechanical awareness this game- I do not doubt for a second that scum have an ungated strongman, possibly even factional, and the 1-shot bulletproof likely only protects against vigs.



If you had 2 experience last night phase why didn't you mention that? I sent you 0.25 exp to make you have a whole number and you didn't cooperate with your hood at all to try and get the third point for reasons?

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[jjh927]

I will always copy this, and then copy this, and then copy this, and then copy this, at the beginning of literally every post after realising it might help other people too

Because there were in fact two people in the game who went into the night phase with 0.75 experience, with Gypyx being the other one, and I got Yume to send Gypyx that needed 0.25 exp

It was an experiment to see whether you actually cooperated

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[jjh927]

My fourth post just came up and just now you keep just posting and that just fucks up my ability to post back

Like, I still think you're mechanically inept this game but I'm pretty sure if EITHER ONE of you claimed to have reached a whole number of experience due to a gift the other one would also have claimed that and you'd have realised the intention was that you can put them together to do something

rather than, you know, the selfish play


At any rate, this is probably the better vote now
VOTE: Gypyx

[jjh927]

Oh, Yume might be scum with gypyx then. That's pretty funny

I made it explicitly clear in the hood. Yume acknowledged it was Gypyx I wanted her to send exp to. There is no way anyone could have fucked it up. However, you can't send 0.25 exp to someone you do share a hood with- so, if they're both in the scum PT it wouldn't be possible to send and Yume would need some kind of cover.


PEdit: fuck my maths was off; you would have started with 1 exp because you didn't retry the challenge. I am a fool

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[jjh927]

Yeah okay this one's on me

You both would have had 1 exp at the start of the night phase already

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[jjh927]

I will always copy this, and then copy this, and then copy this, and then copy this, at the beginning of literally every post after realising it might help other people too

Ah well- enchant can give you 0.5 exp this phase and you can upgrade someone

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[jjh927]

I will always copy this, and then copy this, and then copy this, and then copy this, at the beginning of literally every post after realising it might help other people too

[jjh927]

The mechanical reason is that the abilities are just another thing like the other active abilities in this game, many of which can be used at literally any time

[jjh927]

Regarding the experience gift thing, my maths was 0.25 off on almost everyone in your hood. Kinda a blunder really

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[jjh927]

I will always copy this, and then copy this, and then copy this, and then copy this, at the beginning of literally every post after realising it might help other people too

Gypyx is confirmed not to have lied about his neighbouring role, but the way these things get upgraded is, as I suspected last day phase, the third pick, and so he had 0 chance of becoming a masoniser and I don't really understand how you could have thought he would become a masoniser if you were one

[jjh927]

I will always copy this, and then copy this, and then copy this, and then copy this, at the beginning of literally every post after realising it might help other people too

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[jjh927]

I will always copy this, and then copy this, and then copy this, and then copy this, at the beginning of literally every post after realising it might help other people too

I think only one ability was swapped, which indicates something in Titus' role PM's wording probably could have given her a hint that you get 1 ability per pick you made

I asked Ginngie regarding the exp and it definitely works like that. They could send the 1 exp instead but that is a greater amount than the 0.5 cost for sending 0.25, which might make things not add up

[jjh927]

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You only waste 0.25 by sending to someone outside of hood

[jjh927]

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Yume and Sharon are actually two of the worst possible options from my point of view

My information level at this point in time is unfathomable

[jjh927]

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If it'll get you off of Yume, right now the warrior PT consists entirely of me and Yume and we did a lot of posting last night phase

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Yume and Shiro are actually two of the worst possible options from my point of view

My information level at this point in time is unfathomable

New phone, haven't turned autocorrect off

[jjh927]

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You know what's real interesting to me? How the mage hood consists of a masoniser, two roles that power other people up, and Gypyx, and Titus was like "Gypyx might also be a masoniser" when the reality is that he's probably the scum presence in that hood so town don't just have exclusive access to all the cool buffs

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I'm all for Gypyx being loved because 1 more person gets exp for the lim

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LLD was loved; gypyx swapped roles

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I mean, if we were both scum then the last few pages of the warrior pt would be theatre we expected nobody to see

Before we started talking real details I was able to verify that Reinhardt had left the hood. As it turns out, you can attempt to gift someone experience by one of the two available means and see if the action fails.

[jjh927]

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Maybe you can't break this setup mechanically but I am all powerful and received a massive ego boost when everything I said about the upgrades turned out to be true

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[jjh927]

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Hey, so there's something that doesn't add up there

If Titus had 1 exp, and she got some from LLD (where some can only be exactly 1 or 2), and she got 1 from Reinhardt, then she had the upgrade number

[jjh927]

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I will not be participating. I don't understand the rules and it would screw with my posting.

I can confirm that someone other than Shiro upgraded Dunn which threw me for a loop but what else is new. Gypyx now has LLD's role and vice versa. That was my failsafe in case Gypyx was lying. LLD wanted a new role and getting three town in a link was too much to pass up.

First of all, I wasn't upgraded. I'm assuming this is a typo.

Second, explain to me what Gypyx and LLD did. LLD claimed the role she flipped as.

Can you explain how Gypyx is clear?

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Gypyx did nothing.
LLD did nothing but give me some of her exp.
I swapped Gypyx role with LLD.
Thus, if Gypyx had be lying,LLD would have flipped with his lie or she would have claimed it.

Titus, where has the extra exp gone

[jjh927]

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Hey, so there's something that doesn't add up there

If Titus had 1 exp, and she got some from LLD (where some can only be exactly 1 or 2), and she got 1 from Reinhardt, then she had the upgrade number

[jjh927]

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How is Gypyx town by play

I think sunk cost might be clouding your judgment here

[jjh927]

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Like, you were fine to vote Gypyx, then he made the claim and you TRed him for godawful mechanical reasons

What is left

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[jjh927]

Gypyx sure is at E-1, and I'm at my fourth post, at which this happens. At any point did you maybe think to make it easier to post for people when declaring your intent to hammer?

Uuh, this is a song I have in my clipboard I guess. I am sorry.



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[jjh927]

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I'd maybe like to draw attention to Titus claiming to have been given some exp by LLD and then claiming not to have receieved any exp from LLD

Also, again, put it on record that Yume and Shiro are both town

Also, Enchant should be given an opportunity to give someone 0.5 exp taking into account that everyone just got 0.5 more exp. Titus should be at 3 exp after posting a video and so should upgrade someone

Main reason not to hammer right now is moving exp around

[jjh927]

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UNVOTE:

Sure, but with the provision that I might suddenly decide to go on a crusade against someone if they pop in to take my spot on the wagon and therefore my exp

Pedit: I already fullclaimed my flavour. No issue from me

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[jjh927]

Provided we do actually get the exp for posting videos, you should hit 3 exp, Titus. Do you have someone in mind to upgrade

[jjh927]

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Two very important notes here

1: Ginngie has missed Mastina's unvote
2: Following Yume "doing something" Gypyx now has an extra hidden vote on the wagon. This is something I did rather explicitly say was an anti-town ability that should basically never be used in the hood but I guess Yume thought it was useful for some reason

4 I think

[jjh927]

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Yume, I think you should unvote with the weird hidden vote if you can, or move it to someone else. Otherwise you're flushing someone else's experience down the drain.

[jjh927]

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Oh, just so nobody gets confused I think the deadline counter is wildly off as well. It says the 12th is in like 20 hours

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[jjh927]

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That is an awful solution given that Yume is town, albeit misguided

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[jjh927]

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I'm being serious here

Do you know just how many times I have caught scum!Yume

I have a PT with Yume

This is not scum!Yume

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[jjh927]

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What kind of rundown do you want? Playwise I think things are a bit stale because we should have elimed Gypyx in day 1 but he got off fot dumb mechanical reasons that have since been proven to be dumb

In terms of the slot you have replaced into, that is a very unfortunate one as you don't share a memory with your predecessor and have no access to your original hood. However, don't come back right now and if you are going anywhere then go sneak hood after clearing it with them

[jjh927]

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Anyway, I'm gonna return to the wagon now.

VOTE: Gypyx

Enchant, if you haven't given out your exp yet I'd appreciate it as it would put me at 3 at eod, although I'm probably not the only one in that situation.

[jjh927]

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Reinhardt had the ability to move hoods

He went from the warrior hood to the mage hood

Now Dwlee is in the slot and is in the mage hood but doesn't have the early context of the warrior hood, not that much happened in there before Reinhardt left

[jjh927]

Wow I guess Dunnstral is the fourth. Dunnstral. . . Pretty crazy how Dunnstral must be repeated. Dunnstral is not easy to incorporate into sentences every four words.

@mod: Are you sure that is E-1

Mastina unvoted

Cool votecount though. Should have got my fourth post out of the way sooner so this didn't happen lmao

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[jjh927]

Yeah I'm just wondering why that was the conclusion you lept to on your last post rather than assuming mod error

[jjh927]

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You have put me in a position where I must be perpetually worried that is a tmi between you and Mastina

I actually think Mastina is scum here anyway though, which might be a bit of a shocking statement to hear from me ever but I think this might now be the new normal of Mastina's scumgame, which is to say the old normal.

[jjh927]

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Only via the votecounts, unless I'm missing something else

I was missing something, though. Mastina's votes weren't counted. Mastina unvoting was counted as a vote. Therefore, it is reasonable to assume that the opposite of vote/unvote is whatever Mastina is actually doing

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[jjh927]

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Just gonna clear #4 before someone else pops in and makes it difficult

[jjh927]

The vote count is indeed correct

Here. He confirmed it's not a mod error right here.

That is after the post I was referencing. When I said "your last post" I think I was pretty clear, but basically I meant this one

So...mastina's vote is still counted despite the fact that she unvoted... *scratches head*

[jjh927]

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What kind of rundown do you want? Playwise I think things are a bit stale because we should have elimed Gypyx in day 1 but he got off fot dumb mechanical reasons that have since been proven to be dumb

In terms of the slot you have replaced into, that is a very unfortunate one as you don't share a memory with your predecessor and have no access to your original hood. However, don't come back right now and if you are going anywhere then go sneak hood after clearing it with them

Yea I realized when I clicked warrior hood and had no access rip. I think before we end day I want to take notes on the mage hood?

But as far as a rundown: maybe claims? How roles and XP work (I'm assuming this is in the setup description but I haven't checked + the game is listed as bastard)? Any significant events? I guess I can ISO gypyx to figure out why he is being wagoned

Okay, so

Current Hood distribution:

Warrior hood:
Yume
jjh927

LLD

- Did not post. Nobody except maybe Titus was aware LLD had access to this hood.

Pooky

Mage Hood:
Dwlee
Shiro
Titus
Gypyx
Enchant

Sneak Hood:
Mastina
Dunnstral
Frozen Angel
Roden


Everything from this point onwards is off the top of my head so please, anyone correct me if I have missed anything important.

Mechanics:
You should read the first post for the details on how experience works first. There is more that can expand on this based on what we have learnt;
As far as I am aware, and nobody has told me otherwise, everyone's role PM is a mashup of 2 of their 3 picks. Every role PM I am aware of has two aspects to it, one corresponding roughly to each of those 2 picks.
The upgrade mechanic in this game from the engineer role, which can be purchased on any of the 3 skill trees, appears to grant an ability based on the third pick. Every such ability I am aware of that someone has been granted by this upgrade has been some variety of troll ability that makes things more confusing somehow for everyone.

Claims:
Pooky: Dead
LLD: Dead, claimed to have been masonised.
Yume: Yume has a hidden doublevote via PM (that was granted by upgrade); no claim on initial role PM
jjh927: I started with bulletproof already bought and haven't claimed the other half of my initial role PM.
Dwlee/Reinhardt: Your predecessor claimed and used the ability to change hoods.
Shiro: Subtext easily enough read but I'm not gonna say it out loud. Look in the mage hood; the answer is surely there
Titus: Claimed to have masonised LLD. Also has evidenced use of a role-swapping ability that swaps roles, with the nature of its operation giving further credence to the mechanical theory that everyone's initial role PMs have two abilities.
Gypyx: Claimed neighbouriser. Probably claimed whatever other thing he has in the mage hood. Pushed the idea that upgrading him could make him a masoniser and somehow got Titus to believe him against all mechanical sense. This has since been proven false though we do not know what Gypyx got from his upgrade.
Enchant: Can give out 0.5 exp. Hasn't claimed anything else.
Mastina: Something to do with lying. Has a post restriction where like half of her posts have to claim she is town. Her votes appear to be unvotes and her unvotes appear to be votes (probably an upgrade based on my spec)
Dunnstral: No claim. He did agree to upgrade Gypyx by gathering enough experience in N1 from his hood, and followed through on it.
Frozen Angel: Claimed to have a role that will make them die in some way, guaranteed.
Roden: No claim

[jjh927]

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Remember that if you hammer now, this thread will close and you won't be able to ask me any questions, and I'm pretty sure in this game right now I am the guy to ask questions

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[jjh927]

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Okay that is extremely useful information

I suspect based on a combination of my unfathomable levels of information and setup spec that means you might be able to be upgraded twice

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I'd be very interested to hear why you scumread Dunn, particularly if there's anything coming from the neighbourhood on that line

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Is there anything you've considered outside of the vote? I feel like Dunn has been doing a fair bit with reads in general to be quite honest

The hidden mechanical thing is likely irrelevant; I have my suspicions as to what it is and I believe I likely indicated in day 1 that I could very easily have done the exact same thing

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Have you given out exp yet, enchant? If not, would you be willing to give it to me? I think I'd be on 3 at eod if you did

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Like, I understand that the sneak hood might not be willing to funnel all the required resources into upgrading FA twice so I'm certainly considering doing 1 upgrade to partially fund this science experiment

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[jjh927]

I will participate

the secret ability of the sneak tree is a 1 shot role steal, It steals another players primary role. I used this ability on Shiro and was informed that their starting primary ability was that they started the game with an engineer shot. This means they could have upgraded gypyx on

day 1

but instead acted like they were going to be receiving exp during the night to buy the engineer shot instead.

I used the role stop on dwlee last night. Roleblocker that also blocks strongman; no deaths. That plus them moving into the same neighborhood as Gypyx and Shiro is super sketch considering the rules for transferring exp. Lots of circumstantial evidence pointing here.

VOTE: Shiro

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I would like to complicate things by revealing I have a hood with Shiro and have done since the beginning of night 1. Shiro is town.

Shiro is responsible for reviving LLD.
I am probably responsible for the lack of nightkill as I may have become fucking invincible in a way I claimed to both Shiro and Yume

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[jjh927]

Very important information that Shiro has provided is that the 4th tier ability in the mage tree is a fucking reviver

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[jjh927]

I do not know all the specifics, especially of the timings of things that happened before I had a hood with Shiro.

My suspicions are that the whole thing is a result of Titus thinking she had literally any idea of what was going on

Shiro revealed the engineer to me almost immediately. IDK when it was revealed to the mage hood, but it was before me. You're right that the wording absolutely should have tipped someone off as to how it worked, but A. I'm not sure Shiro noticed and B. I'm not sure Titus would have listened.
From the context given to me I think there was also never any agreed-upon plan, and instead Titus was just telling people to do things. I specifically told Shiro not to upgrade Gypyx because you had committed to doing so, and actually to hold on to the engineer. I haven't been told it has been used so I suggested to use it on FA in the last night phase.

PEdit: Yeah, Shiro also claimed that 3p wincon to me as well

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[jjh927]

Town with extra win condition.

I have no idea what happened with the engineers; note that Shiro should have had 2 over the course of the game and hasn't given any direct confirmation over how they have been used

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[jjh927]

Yo LLD

Could you confirm again in more specific details that Titus did indeed masonise you and her alignment is absolutely confirmed to you and it wasn't a dumb gambit?

Also maybe pop in to the warrior hood that you lurked in without posting the first time round

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[jjh927]

While that is a good question given everyone else seems to have 1 active and 1 passive, the fact remains that both things do appear to have happened, although both relate to LLD, so it can't be a fakeclaim

This challenge fucking sucks for phoneposting

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They can, but we can hold them accountable if they do because
A. You can only buy each ability once
B. The 4th tier warrior ability is a vig, which I would like to suggest we collectively reserve for dogpiling on revived scum if they dare to do it

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[jjh927]

Absolutely agree, but some people might already have it and some people might have already bought out the mage tree

The reason I said "dogpiling" on scum was that if we vig the same guy like 3 times in one night then scum would have to spend a lot of exp on preventing it


By the way, if I put my tinfoil hat on for a second, I think scum are probably buying their strongman modifiers with exp or something. They might have their own special shop

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[jjh927]

I mean, the reality is that you

can

be stopped so you probably shouldn't spend exp until night phase when it can be passed around in a way when scum can't just roleblock people who are gonna revive other people

If we want to coordinate, make it a specific hood's responsibility to ensure a specific player gets revived. Exp passes around and someone takes on the responsibility of reviving someone during the night. That makes it harder for scum to use those roleblocks effectively

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[jjh927]

Fuck, my chair didn't work

It was this one

@ginngie- am I still in the challenge? You can see by my post the attempt that was made to post that chair

[jjh927]

I didn't target you
Shiro or Yume should not have targeted you either

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[jjh927]

I would appreciate it if nobody else steals my source of chairs as I am just posting animal crossing chairs from a site that lists them all. I would also recommend that others find a source of chairs, preferably not obnoxiously big images

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[jjh927]

Can someone, preferably Roden, just confirm whether Roden would leave the game in victory in the scenario that he achieved this side wincon?

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[jjh927]

Can someone, preferably Roden, just confirm whether Roden would leave the game in victory in the scenario that he achieved this side wincon?

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With regard to the masoniser, I want to hear from LLD how much she knows about it, particularly around Titus' alignment, because that's pretty key information for whether or not we have to place Titus and what the play would be if people wanted to steal the role.

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[jjh927]

I don't think Enchant is upgraded?



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[jjh927]

Wait, just upgrade LLD lol

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[jjh927]

Uuh, top of my head then

Dunnstral: I think so?
Enchant: Yes
Frozen Angel: yes
Gypyx: Yes, also dead, also scum
jjh927: Yes
Lady Lambdadelta: Yes?
mastina: no
PookyTheMagicalBear: dead
Reinhardt Dwlee99: No?
Roden: Yes
Shiro: Yes
Titus: Yes
Yume: Yes

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[jjh927]

[jjh927]

I kinda assumed it was Dunn who did that given that literally nobody else could have done

Shiro, check hood

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[jjh927]

I'm UK so I'm usually here

Just working from home so I can fairly easily just keep checking this game lmao

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[jjh927]

Same.

@Ginngie: is a different image of the same chair allowed, or must all chairs be completely distinct?

gotta know if I'll be punished if I post froggy chair when it comes up alphabetically

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[jjh927]

@Roden

Can someone, preferably Roden, just confirm whether Roden would leave the game in victory in the scenario that he achieved this side wincon?

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[jjh927]

Upgrades do not take away your previous role

You still have the original part of your role PM

[jjh927]

I think it's funny how you criticised Enchant so heavily for being so opposed to your pLaN fOr MaKiNg GyPyX a MaSoNiSeR but you seem to be bringing up every reason possible for why we can't make another masoniser when in this case the mechanics are actually in support of it



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[jjh927]

As an aside, your role will be verified in the process since stealing someone's role is rolecop-adjacent and that's also pretty great

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[jjh927]

Due to something that has just happened, I have asked a completely unrelated and very strange question to the mod and I am very much looking forward to the answer


Regarding your ability- it may be 1-shot, but as has been PROVEN by Dunnstral, stealing an ability replenishes the shot. Dunnstral stole Shiro's engineer after it had already been used, and then used it.

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[jjh927]

Yes? Your role PM would still be the same, just with whatever else you got from the upgrade, unless you have been told EXPLICITLY that your ability has changed, and if so then that doesn't sound like much of an upgrade.



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I did, yes. It is a very odd amount to receive.

I just asked the mod if you have to be alive to send exp in case it was pooky giving me a gift from beyond the grave but I guess not, especially since you know about it

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[jjh927]

Okay LLD, so it's confirmed you're masons together, but can you maybe get a definition from Ginngie on EXACTLY what that means

like, is Titus confirmed to be town from your perspective, or is she confirmed to be not mafia, or do you just have a cool thread


Also do you intend to pop into the warrior hood at any point because I'd like to chat

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[jjh927]

Yeah, your hood access flipped so continuing to pretend you aren't there is just bad manners

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My take is that it would be optimal to elim Dunn and see what he flips as, with the rather explicit notion that if he flips something that is not unambiguously scum then you better leave the game or we'll elim you next

Pretty strange that this is the second time I'm advocating for forcing Roden to remove himself from the game in 2 games. I hope this doesn't become a habit.

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[jjh927]

Certainly not me given I will be untargetable by all night actions. Doc should only realistically protect against vigs unless it's worded as a special anti strongman doctor for reasons. So maybe just doc someone you don't think has bought a bulletproof yet?

Cop check on Dwlee is just a hard guilty due to the exp related stuff on that slot all being claimed so that's nice, although honestly I'd maybe have limmed there anyway



For coordinating exp, given specific numbers, it is better for Shiro to be on wagon than me. However, I dont want the day to end until I have had more time to communicate with LLD as this is a very slow conversation, and I want to see what Mastina has to say.

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[jjh927]

Okay well I'll be coordinating the actions of the warrior and mage hoods so you can see what we wind up doing next day phase.

I would appreciate it if Titus could claim how her masoniser is phrased, roughly- just need keywords- and if LLD could say exactly how conftowned Titus is by answering my earlier question. The issue here is a communication barrier where I don't trust Titus to identify the keywords and LLD is not very talkative, so I'll try and address that.

Titus-

is your masoniser phrased in such a way that indicates;
1. Your alignment will be revealed to the target
2. Your target's alignment will be revealed to you

What happens if you target scum?

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[jjh927]

Shoulda been that image but unfortunately got the wrong link, oof


For what it's worth, Dunnstral, I think Roden is town but making a bunch of shit up on the side so he can attempt the vampire hunting wincon

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[jjh927]

I don't think there's a universe where Dwlee was the one who made the scum nightkill

I also think, in almost every uniiverse, that I was the nightkill last night. I went into the nightphase being sure I would die, and got upgraded as a hail mary which somehow provided me with an escape.

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[jjh927]

There may be only 2 remaining mafia, but I think literally everyone in the game scumread that slot and it speaks for itself how many guilties your hood had

[jjh927]

JJH, can we discuss who you think the last mafia is if it's not me/roden

Can you explain your townread on Yume?

Difficult. Probably Mastina. I don't want to rule out that some really dumb shit is happening with Titus' role either though, so as a priority I need deets on that.


Yume is town. You've seen scum!Yume- she doesn't try very hard. Town!Yume uses PTs and tries to make herself useful. Basically, I think I can pretty clearly tell Yume's motivations from the >100 posts she has made in the hood with a lot more certainty than you might get from less than half that in the main thread.



Regarding the possibility of basically multiball- yes. Look at the scum wincon. This is another reason I want to know EXACTLY what is up with Titus' role and the phrasing of it.

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[jjh927]

Yeah, I'm aware of that

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[jjh927]

How is the bit that says if you target scum it fails worded?

Does is specify someone who is "Not aligned with the town" or does it specify "aligned with the mafia"

[jjh927]

LLD- let me make this as clear as possible- I am not trying to create doubt; I am trying to eliminate it. This is a bastard game and I have a negative level of confidence in Titus' ability to understand the mechanics in this game. I want a full picture of the ability so I can understand who should steal it, as well as assess the possibility of 3ps/multiball given the Roden/Dunnstral stuff, and get an idea of how that would interact with the role

I have 0 doubt you are town and very minimal doubt Titus is town.

[jjh927]

I know this seems like an obvious question, but can you ask Ginngie what is meant by "masons" in the context of your role PM

Also, ask what would happen if a mafia-aligned player used your role and see if you get a response.

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[jjh927]

Are you like, CCed in on all moderator communications now or something

[jjh927]

Okay so I realize I am town but I haven't

finished

processing the actions, but that's because I am working on a combined one-post list of everything claimed, as to digest it all at once.

It is attempting to include XP every player has, what they purchased, when, what they claimed, when they used it, etc., so could you do me a favor and post everything out here? (Exception, my neighborhood since they can do it in there.)

I'm sorry it's taking a while but I think that it will be worth it to have it all in one post, so that we can then look at it, make any corrections needed, etc.

I know I'm town but am taking a while, but I think that it will be worth it to have compiled.

No
This makes public who is in better positions for various actions and makes counterplay more likely, while simultaneously requiring literally everyone to post. There is a reason I didn't post my counts of everyone's exp as of eod1

Unless this post will literally nail a scum guaranteed somehow it's probably not a great decision that you know full well is going to need more participation than you will reasonably get. It's just gonna stall the game

I don't know why you want to get literally all the possible information but maybe deal with specifics? For example, if you have a way of tracking how much exp yume has at this moment you could conftown her with it, because she should have sent exp to gypyx in a way only possible if they didn't share a PT

@Ginngie: given you didn't fix that one image tag for me and I appear to not be in the challenge any more I'd like to retry the challenge

[jjh927]

Wait a fucking second

Enchant: fullclaim right now.

How did you know dunnstral sent me 0.75 exp? We have a hard guilty on Dwlee, so if you can track exp being sent jn some way we can literally get a result on everyone who isn't in the mage hood


Pedit: Yume, it's 3rd posts and you definitely failed the challenge

[jjh927]

Nobody is questioning it because they read the rules

-A player may gift 1 XP to another player sharing the same neighborhood.
-A player may spend 0.5 XP to gift 0.25 XP to any player outside of their neighborhood.

In other words, if you can send 0.25 exp by paying 0.5 exp, you do not share a hood with the target. You explicitly cannot do that if you do share a hood. Therefore, Dunn sending 0.75 exp, a multiple of 0.25, proves we do not share a hood. This isn't very useful information in this particular instance.

Now, imagine if we could prove people did not share a hood with Dwlee. This is where Enchant's role comes in, and he needs to claim.

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[jjh927]

Wait a fucking second

Enchant: fullclaim right now.

How did you know dunnstral sent me 0.75 exp? We have a hard guilty on Dwlee, so if you can track exp being sent jn some way we can literally get a result on everyone who isn't in the mage hood

[jjh927]

If I sent exp to Dwlee right now, would you know?

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[jjh927]

Then what would you know? How did you know I was sent 0.75 exp?

[jjh927]

I mean, if you're made aware of when any exp transactions occur but not who they involve then that

can

be used

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[jjh927]

If I sent exp to Dwlee right now would you get any notification at all- whether that is my exp going down, Dwlee's exp going up, or that the action of sending exp has occurred

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[jjh927]

Mastina, how do you think we're going to catch scum embezzling exp when there is already a huge amount of scum exp unaccounted for? The only thing massclaiming exp related actions does is tell scum who is likely to be doing revives or stealing Titus' role to get the masoniser; I don't think the information would be at all useful at this point in the game unless there is something else to it.

Is it possible that you tried to nightkill me last night, and combined with my statement that I am now literally invincible, you have come to the conclusion that you must somehow elim me?


Lemme just refute your nonsense. The scum motivation in withholding this information would be in preventing it from being used to catch scum. Surely, scum!me would actually WANT to get the information from everyone else, but while hiding anything involving me

Thing is, every experience related transaction I have taken since the start of the game is public knowledge or very near to it.

I started the game with bulletproof unlocked.
At eod1, I had 1.5 exp. I paid 0.5 to send 0.25 to TItus, and received 1 exp from Yume. I then bought the bodyguard and engineer from the warrior tree.

In day 2, Enchant gave me 0.5 exp and I entered the night phase with 3 exp. I bought the 4th tier ability from the warrior tree, which is a vig, and gave 2 exp to Yume, who then upgraded me.

Right now, I have 1 exp because Dunnstral gave me 0.75



In other words- I object to EVERYONE ELSE claiming their exp related transactions because I want to coordinate this in a way that prevents scum counterplay.



Anyway, we now need to wait 48 hours before ending day since Yume has retried challenge. I'm okay with that, and still think Shiro should probably be on the wagon at some point because it makes the exp numbers work out better

[jjh927]

Sure you are

Could you pay 0.5 exp to send me 0.25, thereby proving that we do not share a PT for the event that you flip scum, purely hypothetically

[jjh927]

Fortunately that would be Yume's fourth post, with the third being the one immediately before that

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[jjh927]

Roden, do you actually think Dunn is the third scum or are you just trying to hedge your bets on your side wincon

[jjh927]

Anyway, we now need to wait 48 hours before ending day since Yume has retried challenge.

You, Yume, and the mod are all wrong: By the rules Yume was not able to retry the challenge:

--Must retry before what would have been their next challenge post

Oh, in that case I'll just coordinate with Shiro and we'll both vote and end the day at some point

Just for the sake of it I'm not gonna leave Dwlee at E-1 in case of self-hammer

[jjh927]

I will participate.

I have a guilty on JJH.

No need to participate in the challenge then

The guilty is impossible. Please state the nature of the guilty as I have claimed in every hood I am in.

[jjh927]

Either that or please state that the nature of your guilty is stated in your hood and I will fullclaim for you

[jjh927]

Okay, reading everything I think I have picked up the nuance of the situation.

My upgraded role is a full ungated commuter. It is likely that you have got the exact opposite of a guilty result.

VOTE: Mastina

[jjh927]

By the way, FA, I did mention to Shiro (but not LLD/Yume) that you were probably going to come back to life immediately by yourself

If I can notice it, anyone else theoretically can

[jjh927]

I claimed commuter a long time ago in my hood so I'm not just making this up now

I did claim literally unkillable multiple times

Extrapolate based on how there is 1 scum left and commuting prevents you from taking actions

[jjh927]

Specifically, I claimed it in both my hoods in the middle of night 2 when I got it from my upgrade

[jjh927]

Early on in the game, in a hood, I hypothesised that scum might have their own special scum-only skill tree, with a strongman, the engineer at 3 to masquerade as other trees, something else, and a 4th tier ability.

I decided that was wrong since it would only give scum 3 strongmans, but I guess that hypothesis is more likely again now

[jjh927]

You literally have a guilty on mastina, FA

[jjh927]

You have a result saying she used a killing action
Mastina is saying "That can't be right! I didn't use a killing action!"

Are you really sitting here like "There's no way to determine which of these statements is true!"

[jjh927]

Wait what

Yume explicitly doesn't have a bulletproof

Her fullclaim comes up with nothing that would protect her

While I've made sure she was protected in N-1 in case of vigs, since Shiro had a doctor then, she has not been protected by anyone linked to me

[jjh927]

so like

unless LLD and Titus arranged to protect Yume in some way, and she was also protected by like, Enchant, then she should have no way to protect herself from vigs

[jjh927]

No wait, I think it was N-2 that shiro used the doctor

[jjh927]

Lemme just double check on everything I coordinated