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I think the idea to fail defusals by default is correct for reasons catboi explained, but I'm also having an emotional reaction against it due it being counter to the nature of the set-up as well as the resulting loss of my agency lol"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"- GuiltyLion
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well even if they were mandatory somehow, we'd just intentionally give bad info if we decide we want to fail all bombs by default"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"- GuiltyLion
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^^thisIn post 79, catboi wrote:
Baffling read.In post 66, Frogsterking wrote:PEDit: StrangeMatters is already out of their scum range by the way, slight townread on StrangeMatters from me.
I don't think I should be townread given what I've posted so far, but calling it "trash" feels a bit extreme, especially if you're gonna immediately put me in a category labeled "weak" scumreads. Why did you choose a word as inflammatory/strong as trash?In post 84, Frogsterking wrote:Tigger's iso is trash. Slight townread on Ceph.
weak townreads:
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(also it's Hobbes not Tigger)"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"- GuiltyLion
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hey Menalque!! it's good to see you again
how you feeling about this game? seemed like you were burned out on rolling/playing scum last time I saw ya"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"- GuiltyLion
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Frogster I don't care so much about the answer to this specific question anymore as you've since explained your read on StrangeMatter and I'm holistically townreading a lot of your other content, but to close the loop here did you intentionally ignore this post or did you miss it? because I agree with you that conversation can be a fruitful way to feel out people's vibes and generate intuitive reads, but if that's how you feel and you intentionally ignored me then I'd want to know why you didn't afford me the opportunity when I asked you a questionIn post 121, GuiltyLion wrote:
^^thisIn post 79, catboi wrote:
Baffling read.In post 66, Frogsterking wrote:PEDit: StrangeMatters is already out of their scum range by the way, slight townread on StrangeMatters from me.
I don't think I should be townread given what I've posted so far, but calling it "trash" feels a bit extreme, especially if you're gonna immediately put me in a category labeled "weak" scumreads. Why did you choose a word as inflammatory/strong as trash?In post 84, Frogsterking wrote:Tigger's iso is trash. Slight townread on Ceph.
weak townreads:
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(also it's Hobbes not Tigger)"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"- GuiltyLion
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I like the VP Baltar scumread
to add my own reasoning, I think 119 is a notably LAMISTy post/question. there's missing undercurrents of thought I would want to see in it, like are people who are wrong about mech town or scum?, why is knowing what you are talking about an important thing to call attention to?, etc. I find this post to be what I look for in a "busywork", "post to fit in" type of post if we're looking for "busywork" posts. And the way he's townreading Frog, I could see as an early attempt to buddy/deflect an extremely vocal player who already suspects him
VOTE: VP Baltar"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"- GuiltyLion
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I wanna see an updated VC before I add my own heals but I'm thinking Greeting, Frogster, Andante, Menalque feel like appealing picks for me so far right now and will probably heal them in due time with a bit more thought"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"- GuiltyLion
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VP why are you answering a question directed at the mod that the mod already answered
can you link me to a completed town game or two where you feel you played similarly to how you're playing here? maybe a mechanics heavy game if possible?"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"- GuiltyLion
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lol you don't need to apologize, I just wanted to clarify explicitly if I was ignored or if it was a mistake/missIn post 285, Frogsterking wrote:As for your second question, my intent wasn't to ignore your first question or your slot in general, in fact I did see your first question and was planning a response, but I prioritized responding to Andante's big post over your first question because I realized Andante had just become active in the gamethread and I wanted to see if she would respond in real time, and while I was writing my response to Andante I forgot about your question! I'm sorry again and I will try not to do it again
as for the rest, have no fear, the walls will come once I have Things Worth Walling About. I don't have a ton of footing in this game yet"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"- GuiltyLion
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haven't read up yet, about to do so now, but looked at the latest VC and it seems like a lot of my initial desired experts are fairly consensus so
HEAL: Andante
HEAL: Frogsterking
HEAL: Greeting
HEAL: Menalque
will retract if I notice any issues during the catch up"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"- GuiltyLion
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bad faith question alertIn post 314, Dwlee99 wrote:Why are you instantly tilted that I've said you can be scum
tilt is not scum-indicative"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"- GuiltyLion
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hi pooky
menalque is the only non-consensus one, I didn't say he in particular was consensus. the other three clearly are
what's town is that I felt he passed a vibe check in the early game and my belief is if he were scum he'd be a lot more tryhard and also a lot more upset"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"- GuiltyLion
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I like your heals PookyIn post 442, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:HEAL: Pooky
HEAL: Titus
HEAL: Catboi
HEAL: Andante
HEAL: Frogster
HEAL: Greeting
HEAL: Praet
I am willing to be bribed for my last heal thing"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"- GuiltyLion
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CSF townIn post 543, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:In post 536, Dwlee99 wrote:
The last paragraph?In post 531, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:Why were you scumreading Andante then, dwlee?
I'm not sure this really tracks. This reason feels more like something that was made up after the fact.In post 530, Dwlee99 wrote:That people are playing around her like this is actually what makes me think she is scum.She is actually townier as scum and that everyone townreads her when she is normally a controversial day one slot is very scum-indicative imo
I went back and reread the posts between Andante's first post and your first post. There were, if I'm being generous, 3 [1][2][3] townreads and one possible scumread on Andante before you voted for her.
From whom did you get the impression that people were playing around her?"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"- GuiltyLion
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I'm just powerskimming to get caught up first but so far I'm vibing with most of the seemingly consensus reads so far this game
Luke scumreads make sense to me and I'm down to sheep the case laid out by catboi and others
like that Menalque has the same attitude on page 25
as of page 25 I'm down to vote any of Dwlee/Luke/Baltar
StrangeMatter Frog vote is odd, I have a hard time understanding how Frog can be anyone's choice of "this is the best use of my vote and the slot most likely to flip scum""I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"- GuiltyLion
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HEAL: Cat Scratch FeverIn post 746, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:
Same thought occurred to me but it was followed shortly by 360In post 745, fireisredsir wrote:
351 felt very not serious to meIn post 743, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:I gave 351 some major side eye"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"- GuiltyLion
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I've actually scumread a lot of Tweet posts because she feels a lot more hedgey so far than I recall from her in prior gamesIn post 769, catboi wrote:I liked some of morning tweets mechanics posting earlier but outside of that she's done ~nothing alignment indicative, don't get the townreads on her.
when I was scum against her she was terrifying and I don't think scum would feel terrified of her play so far in this game, it's been timid"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"- GuiltyLion
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feels hard to buy that 360 is wholly unrelated to 351In post 773, Dwlee99 wrote:351 was a joke. 360 is unrelated to 351. Also: "it feels weird to make a gamestate read like that," well lemme show you some evidence:
like even if 351 is meant to be a joke, you're still reacting to something you (presumably) don't like that Andante posted. I have to conclude that if your scumread on Andante is "growing" it's in part due to a post you just responded to"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"- GuiltyLion
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In post 783, Morning Tweet wrote:Ceph might be scum because they feel the same as usual and they're usually scum. Someone brought up earlier something in the vein of how they aren't playing differently and i liked that
I thought VP didn't really react much to pressure which was the opposite impression I got from him when he was scum threatreing against Auro in our last game
I haven't really played with scum!Luke i just noticed he hit some of the notes that i get when im town and frustrated and everything i say just brings more votes. on the other hand i did not like any of his mechanical posts , felt like pointing out the obvious. I also haven't played with fire
Bell could be scum he's usually obvtown, i don't know Strange, Titus could be, GL maybe, he reminds me of last appearance when he was a little outspoken early then I didn't really notice him againtweet why did you choose to vote me in particular at this point, do you have more confidence in me being scum than your other scumreads you expressed here or were you hoping to get a reaction out of me in particular? the timing rubs me a bit the wrong way with Ceph having
justvoted you and being present in the thread, you say you have reasons to SR Ceph, but instead move your vote away from Ceph to me when I'm AFK"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"- GuiltyLion
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also tentativeIn post 802, Morning Tweet wrote:pedit: I'm voting GL because i think he has a reasonable chance of being scum
again no one should really be townreading me for what I've done so far in the game but this is like the most weaksauce reason to vote me, no effort to scumcase anything I posted"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"- GuiltyLion
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I do try to give reasons for my votes yeahIn post 811, fireisredsir wrote:it gave me vibes of him feeling like he needed to come up with a read that was supported by something at that time
do you disagree with the actual point I was making about Baltar? the only thing I saw you say about him was he seems "normalish""I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"- GuiltyLion
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I think Dwlee/Tweet are better suspects than Praet at the momentIn post 825, Frogsterking wrote:I think it's worth considering there's a scum in this heal list and/or Luke's heal list.
I think Praet + Luke/Fire + VP + ?
Maybe GL or Dwlee or someone."I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"- GuiltyLion
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No I haven't yet lmaoIn post 858, VP Baltar wrote:
Hi, did you ever look at that game you asked me to fetch for you?In post 857, GuiltyLion wrote:
I do try to give reasons for my votes yeahIn post 811, fireisredsir wrote:it gave me vibes of him feeling like he needed to come up with a read that was supported by something at that time
do you disagree with the actual point I was making about Baltar? the only thing I saw you say about him was he seems "normalish""I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"- GuiltyLion
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VOTE: Morning Tweet
VP I promise I'll skim through that game at some point tonight for ya, main thing I'm just trying to see is if the style of asking a bunch of questions and posting random largely meaningless observations (579 another one that pinged me much in the same vein) is fully in line with your town game, seems fire (slash maybe a couple others IIRC?) is vouching for that but just want to check it myself"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"- GuiltyLion
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what are the red flags? I didn't really have any issues with fire's postsIn post 869, Bell wrote:Fire person's entrance is not good enough and has some red flags."I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"- GuiltyLion
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hedgey may not be the perfect word for the vibe I'm feeling, I think I'd opt instead for 'timid'. It's less about being unsure and more about not doing anything strongly. justification for the vote on me is one example I called out, this is another example:
like this just doesn't say or accomplish a whole lot, if I were scum!Luke I wouldn't feel bothered by this at all. I'll have to go reread the games I remember playing with MT (Jigsaw, Forest Fire) to refresh my memory, but my sense was at least with Forest Fire, that she was onto me early and felt like a major threat to me the whole timeIn post 487, Morning Tweet wrote:Lukewarm sounds kind of deflated. I like the "go through the thread and mark townpings" approach. I've definitely had games (especially harder to parse ones) where that's all i feel like i have reads-wise
although on the other hand Luke felt a bit more disconnected earlier than im used to. He made comments on some of my mechanical posts i had early, but those posts had already been hashed out and the things he was pointing out i had all already known. This could be what others are pointing out I'm not sure."I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"- GuiltyLion
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isn't this wholly NAI? Like I think it's a given fire made that readslist before they replaced into the game (the timing is too quick for it to be fake), and I think once they've done that then as town or as scum they'd post it. if anything it's ever so slightly +town since it indicates they aren't yet trying to Enact An Agenda, the only real scum-motivation I could see it in is a) it's what they'd do as town -> hence NAI or b) it could make themIn post 873, Bell wrote:1. Posted about who they replaced.
2. Posted a reads list they made before they knew their alignment.looktown.
But again, if you already made the readslist, prior to knowing your alignment, then you'd almost certainly post it as town too. It's not town-indicative, but I definitely don't see how you can think it's more scum-indicative than null"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"- GuiltyLion
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what do you mean by 'block of ice', like he melted quickly or he was unfazed by anything?In post 874, catboi wrote:he was basically a block of ice in PYP"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"- GuiltyLion
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what heck, I'm talking now!!In post 883, Andante wrote:mehh it's just the same people talking, and the same people not talking, idk see yall tomorrow sometime, have a good night!!"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"- GuiltyLion
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this is fairIn post 892, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:She's absolutely a monster if she replaces into a game that has flips to work with because she's relentless but I can see her getting confused in a large theme that moves along fairly quickly. She hasn't done anything that makes me think she's town but I tend to give her a longer leash than most because like if she's town then she will be pretty useful later and if she's bad she'll be like obviously bad.
I'd go to Dwlee instead if there's support for a wagon there"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"- GuiltyLion
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hello, I am here and will be around for a bit, still have not read the VP Baltar game, about to read up but will respond in real time if anyone wants to chit chat"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"- GuiltyLion
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Luke's ISO would be the main reason I would want to lim that slot today but have any of fire's posts moved the needle for you at all? I don't have any idea what scum!fire is capable of but nothing they've posted has felt scummy or disingenuous to me so farIn post 962, Frogsterking wrote:I think fire is a good D1 execution by the way. I'm looking to compromise vote on fire EoD if this VP wagon doesn't take off."I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"- GuiltyLion
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I want to heal people that have a solid chance of being bomb experts, no point in vanity healsIn post 1022, Greeting wrote:Why would you care at all if me/Andante/Frogsterking or whomever else was a consensus townread? Why does it matter so much?
and if people were scumreading my most confident townreads I'd want to hash that out with them
however, neither of those situations really applied (other than Dwlee SRing Andante for ???? reasons), so fortunately to me I didn't have to do any of that and could just vote my heals"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"- GuiltyLion
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can you explain this statement in FAR greater detailIn post 1071, Dwlee99 wrote:I really just think game state is pointing to town consensus being wrong right now
a) what do you see is the current "game state"
b) what is the "town consensus" opinion that is wrong?
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Andante you've said a few times you don't TR/scumread the other people that have a ton of votes, can you remind me which ones would you rather not be grouped with"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"- GuiltyLion
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I'd rather Dwlee not be a bomb expert at all currentlyIn post 1109, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:also who's good at reading dwlee? I think it'd be fun to put them in a group with people who can read them. Any volunteers?"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"- GuiltyLion
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what does "townsend" mean? like prompt him to do towntell somehow?In post 1137, Frogsterking wrote:GL is there any reason you can't townsend Menalque for me?
or are you asking me to unheal him?"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"- GuiltyLion
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did you miss that I switched to MT a while backIn post 1139, VP Baltar wrote:I think his reason for keeping his vote on me is weak, but at least he is trying to come up with something?
maybe that might help with some of your qualms around me not reading your game yet either"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"- GuiltyLion
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overall I kinda think 1139 vibes like a townie readslist post
I disagree with chunks of it but the level of recall for specific events and the things VP Baltar looks at to put together his reads feels genuine to me overall
he could still be scum but I kinda think he'd be a bad D1 lim"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"- GuiltyLion
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I agree mala/andres/strange should not be in a bomb expert position at the momentIn post 1341, Andante wrote:no greeting, no frogster, no mala, no titus, no strange, no vp, no andres
Titus I wouldn't mind but don't feel a burning need to put her in a hood
VP needs more thought from me
Greeting/Frog I am townreading and think we could trust their intentions in a hood - is this more overall you don't trust them to be town or you don't think you'd work well with them even if they are town?"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"- GuiltyLion
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actually maybe I should pay more attention to those posts instead of skimmingIn post 1194, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
This is a perspective slip because of what's unsaid here.In post 1121, VP Baltar wrote:
Lol, Greeting can certainly townread you for it. Just wasn't your idea. Credit where it's due.In post 1117, Cephrir wrote:"you can't townread cephrir for being the only one to think about this because i did too. but i didn't really since it was a half baked idea"
plz tell me what is wrong with my characterization or what the town motivation is
Maybe you came to the conclusion independently, idk. Just saying you definitely weren't the first person to bring it up. I think greeting is more town than you, so I'd prefer they have all the information when making their decision on reads. That's my motivation.
from VPB!town's POV - he should be townreading cephrir for having the same thought process as he does - unless he wants to claim that Cephrir is just plagiarizing him 800 posts later or w/e but that's clearly not his intent as he didn't even state things in the way Cephrir did.
Instead he seems peeved that Cephrir is getting town-read for a post that he already made - the goal isn't actually because he thinks Cephrir is scum - he just wants his own town cred for "saying something similar" which is kind of ????
Like this game isn't about seeing who can score the most town!points for statements about game state - this game is about sorting between bad guys and good guys. VP's entire conversation with Cephrir isn't about sorting Cephrir - it's about saying oh it's unfair Ceph is getting credit for something that I already said sort of kind of - which is not a town mindset.
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I see where you are coming from, my only issue is I could imagine it coming from town in his spot if his angle was more "Ceph should not be townread [because I do not townread Ceph]" rather than "I should be townread [because I said something Ceph said]"In post 1194, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:Instead he seems peeved that Cephrir is getting town-read for a post that he already made - the goal isn't actually because he thinks Cephrir is scum - he just wants his own town cred for "saying something similar" which is kind of ????
you're kinda assuming the motivation is the latter, and it might well have been, but I don't think it could never be the former. You're right it's odd that he's taking this approach when he doesn't fully SR Ceph himself, but he also seems to be somewhat paranoid towards a lot of people overall, especially ones that don't townread him, and I could imagine it as a playstyle trait"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"- GuiltyLion
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This is not how I formed my townreads, you are making an assumption or misunderstanding what I saidIn post 1273, Greeting wrote:Not "x is town because y is town and townreads x". Forming associations like this Day 1 is a bad strategy as they are unsupported by any hard data as to whom is voting out whom and whom is nominating for bomb expert (which is equated to being a townread in this game). We'll get the hard data once Day 1 is over. Right now this is just constantly shifting and it's not uncommon for mafia to be distancing themselves from one another.
I expressed my townreads (without any reasoning) in 258, it was after I was away from the thread and came back in 833 that I healed them, but me healing them in 833 because they were consensus does not mean that I townread them because they are consensus"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"- GuiltyLion
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catboi I'd be interested in your Pooky read if you feel you can explain it later, I don't really scumread him but I'm surprised people started TRing him when he ramped up his VP push cause the VP push I think would be really easy for any capable scum to make and I don't think Pooky's argument is especially compelling under the surface"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"- GuiltyLion
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I like all of Bell's page 53 posting and I'm feeling a townread there now. He has the same sentiments I have about Baltar and I see the point catboi's making about the conviction in scum!luke"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"- GuiltyLion
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Menalque used to care a lot about mafia and was very try hardy in a bunch of games we played together (I don't mean this in any negative sense at all btw, I can very much be a tryhard too)
but then I think after a year+ of playing super hard, a lot of really strong scum performances, he burned himself out, was getting really frustrated with games, hating playing mafia, and took a semi-retirement.
Since then he's clearly divested himself from trying so hard (as either alignment), which good for him, it's a game and fun should always be the goal, but at the same time my hunch is deep down he still holds a motivation to play well for his teammates at scum and at least turn in a respectable performance, which is kinda why he doesn't play much at all anymore.
so far the vibes I've picked up from him here are extremely laid back / not caring, which is kinda how I feel as well at the moment. I'm definitely projecting to some degree here but this PL has a lot of strong players and odds are most of them are town so I don't feel the urge as town to try really hard yet and put 100% of my energy into this game and I don't get the sense Menalque feels that either. I feel if he were scum he'd be doing a bit more and there'd be a small but detectable degree of frustration in him at a) rolling scum and b) having to try.
I could be wrong and he could be just yolo checking out as scum, but I feel a gut townread there until I see evidence to the contrary"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"- GuiltyLion
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this is fair. I don't have a great reason to townread fire given anything they postedIn post 1347, catboi wrote:The problem is that "not scummy/disingenuous" is not a high bar toclaer, and I haven't actually seen anything from them that is hitting me as overtly towny, which is a problem when their slot was starting off from a negative position in my eyes and other people are at least giving me some sense of towniness.
I liked that they agreed with me on Morning Tweet but I guess I shouldn't really put a bunch of stock into that being town-indicative"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"- GuiltyLion
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hey y'all, I thought I would check this game before bed but saw there's like 20 new pages and my desire to read all that and post something useful disappeared instantaneously
I'll play tomorrow, should be a pretty laid back work day so I'll start catching up in the AM (8 hours or so from now)"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"- GuiltyLion
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nah but actually I've skimmed up, I'm fine with voting out Frogster, and he was the one who convinced me to re-evaluate on Strange so I'd currently sheep Andante on a partner read there too though I want to reread their ISO
VP Baltar probably town, still townreading Greeting/CSF/Andante/Menalque, Ceph seems town - everyone else not mentioned here I need to think about and I don't have a strong opinion
that's what I got in terms of thoughts so far. Dislike Dwlee playing for towncred like "I told you Frog was scum!", as if scum has never shaded/distanced a buddy before. Wasn't frogster a fairly consensus D1 townread, if anything it's slightly scummy to suspect a slot that had hoodwinked most of the rest of the thread, feel like Dwlee should know that"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"- GuiltyLion
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I don't think we should be doing 4p team reads but I'm fine with Frog first and if that flips red moving onto Strange/Dwlee tomorrow
@Dwlee - can you point me to the case post(s)? Either post # or quote yourself is fine"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"- GuiltyLion
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actually nvm I ctrl+f'd for Frog in your ISO and it's looking better than I remembered"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"- GuiltyLion
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HEAL: VP Baltar
who else is eligible to heal, one sec"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"- GuiltyLion
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we'll see
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actually Frog scum almost certainly hard confirms everyone else in that hood as town right? Assuming he sacrificed himself to take out IC catboi, means there wasn't a better buddy who was worse positioned than he was to take the fall"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"- GuiltyLion
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It is kind of a mystery why Frog didn't do it in a more subtle fashion though? only thing I can guess is solely to ensure less attention to other buddies today?"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"- GuiltyLion
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this also still bad btw
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So I expected the bomb to fail because I wasn't sure why the scumteam would swap misty in as an expert and then not fail the bomb, regardless of misty's alignment. I didn't expect it to be all town experts and a town defuser after the swap.
I submitted correct info so that I would know for sure if one of the other experts didn't, and because I townread Baltar. I didn't think scum would be so brave as to give scum!VP Baltar two defuses, if he flips at any point we would fear-fail almost every other defuse so it's not really a winning strategy to get to the "4 defuse" wincon. And I thought if we happened to fail him and he flipped scum, it would give us three a bunch of towncred that scum wouldn't really want us to have.
I'm honestly a little surprised he didn't blow up. I'd like to hear people's thoughts on why scum would swap misty in yet there was a successful bomb defuse. and if TOWN swapped misty in they absolutely need to claim that today."I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"- GuiltyLion
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