Open 848: Chromavalon: A Bouquet of Colors [Game Over]

[Noraa]

VOTE: Umlaut
>:[

[Noraa]

VOTE: Titus

Scumslip, doesh't know that Merlins are Muses.

shush you. Momma bear's in the mason pt with me

[Noraa]

im in two mason pts get on my level

[Noraa]

VOTE: Umlaut
>:[

;þ

>:((
how dare you

[Noraa]

VOTE: butterflies
hiya

Why vote the unconfirmed slot?

easier to yeet >:P
>.>
<..<
>.....<

[Noraa]

im so bored tbh can someone just run in and tunnel me or something. we can 1v1 to the deaths it'll be fun i swear

[Noraa]

im in two mason pts get on my level

Of course. We decided I would claim Merlin to wifom scum.

got it

[Noraa]

SUS SUS SUS SUS SUSUSUSUSUUSUSSUSUS

[Noraa]

This is my first non-Newbie game, I think this setup is magic. To everyone claiming Merlin, I am not aMused.

FoS

momma bear mindmeld >:3

[Noraa]

apologies it was an accident ;[

[Noraa]

BUTTER FLEAAAAA AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[Noraa]

tbh claims arent helpful. like if we run up scum and they claim muse, what do we do?
i dont think it's worth it for a muse to out in this specific setup to guilty scum. that alternate win condition is just damning in too many ways.

scum know who the scum team are and that is a huge advantage. they will have a much easier time winning with their secondary win condition if they know who the muses are so it isnt worth it.

[Noraa]

Muses claiming while still keeping their targets obscured makes it much harder for scum to ultimately fulfill their secondary win condition

no it doesnt

[Noraa]

in which case there is very little cost

no there is huge cost what the heck do you mean

[Noraa]

1 muse claim is the max this game. otherwise this is a guaranteed town loss.

[Noraa]

If scum ever knows who the muses are, do you really think an iso doesn't make their colors clear?

[Noraa]

Scum knowing the identity of a muse is the exact same thing as scum knowing their color.

[Noraa]

the odds of scum getting it correct shift from 1/60 (negligible) to 1/36 (also negligible) assuming no one else claims for the rest of the game

fractions dont matter because many of those possibilities arent possible depending on the roll. all i know is that if i were scum and i knew the identities of the three muses, i would have 90% confidence in being able to figure out their colors.
literally if you have confidence on one muse's color, it's 50-50. Can you really not tell which one pushed which person more? like i dont see a scenario where im given a scum role pm, the names of my scum team, and the muses and i cant figure out who is who. like i dont see it.

[Noraa]

In other news: why the FoS on furtiveglance?

the post was scummy. tone was bad.
also i have a grudge with furtiveglance. i confirmed so quick and realized someone called furtiveglance confirmed before me. the audacity

[Noraa]

unforgivable tbh

[Noraa]

for one muse to get lucky and have a single correct scumread

but even then, the process to getting the other scumread will be clear because they weren't GIVEN the information

[Noraa]

i dont think i am oversimplifying things. knowing who the scum team is is a HUGE advantage and i absolutely think the fact that there is a scum pt at all completely cancels out any benefit muse roles bring.

[Noraa]

sigh i dont know. i guess maybe this setup would be really easy for scum me because i know i could tell from tone. like there is no way my tone detector wouldn't be able to get the secondary win condition as scum if i knew which players were muses.

[Noraa]

it all depends on towns overall scumcatching ability but i do think this is extremely scum sided personally

[Noraa]

NANCYFLY AND BUTTERFLEA AHHHHHHH
im sorry but AHHHH why is that just so good

[Noraa]

Ok, I'm finally back home and ready to blow this game wide open.

im sorry to inform you that it's day one and no one is blowing the game wide open.

[Noraa]

i think dunn is scum. hard to say at this point since there's only one post.
if its true though, my dearest merlin friend, i'll do your job for you. fret not and be a nice little vt

[Noraa]

keep going if you truly arent scared

[Noraa]

push me case me
do it

[Noraa]

but you won't because you are scum aren't you?

[Noraa]

I dont think dunn is town.

[Noraa]

Butterflea and Momma bear, huddle around huddle around
Imagine ... we're in our lovely little hydra
and all of a sudden noraa is spamming
DUNN IS SCUM DUNN IS SCUM DUNN IS SCUM

right now i would say i am at 80% certainty that dunn is scum. the reason it isn't 90% is because this playerlist doesn't look like one that would let 100% of town dunn shine through on day 1.

[Noraa]

8 hours after I posted

apparently ... noraas like sleep. it's kind of crazy

[Noraa]

for the record, if i ever reach 100% certainty on dunn being scum here, dunn's gonna flip scum.

[Noraa]

ok actually i take it back, im definitely at 90% certainty that dunn is scum. 80% isnt enough.

[Noraa]

VOTE: Dunn
This is probably the right move. I guess this looks omgus-y but shrug it is what it is.

Like furtive SRs me for a RVS post, which i suppose is fair since I SRed them off a RVS post. It's just that SRing someone for their SR on your RVS post seems kind of ridiculous to me, but honestly, sure whatever i guess.
But dunn out here pretending that SR is actually good is kind of like mmmmmmmmmmm very sus. In general, dunn's vibes are also off this game so probscum off that alone.

I have a fairly good track record reading dunn. In fact I haven't read Dunn wrong in a while now, so much that i would say an incorrect read on dunn is basically the equivalent of a guilty on myself.

I'm still uncertain of this read because dunn hasnt posted anything that is like 100% scum or 100% town. But I've given this enough thought, and I think this is where my head is at right now.

/wordy wordy wordiness ahh

[Noraa]

MOMMA BEAR GOT MY BACK

[Noraa]

You have read him correctly in both versus and Happy Face, where most people adamantly disagreed with your read

I also read him correctly in my past two games. Flea was in one of them!

[Noraa]

Two players you’re particularly good at reading are Dunn and Math

Appreciate your trust in me nancy <333
im not 100% on this dunn read atm. chances are that it flips scum anyways but i do wish to be 100% certain before shoving the wagon hard.

[Noraa]

i mean hardest to catch, yeah probably.

[Noraa]

tbh how about we just vote out dunn and if im wrong (which im probably not), oh well.

[Noraa]

Dunn why am i scum?

[Noraa]

Why am I scum and not town who is wrong? Also you know that 6 posts is enough to come up on a read on anyone.

[Noraa]

i've had double doubts every time i've been right on dunn. it's nothing strange. im just a paranoid person.

[Noraa]

Why am I supposed to be reevaluating my read?

Why am I scum? Like I feel like we're just getting a replay of Control here where you are scumreading me for no reason and refusing to give me a reason. If you are town, that is precisely the reason i am misreading you.

I'm having a damn hard time seeing town Dunn pounce on me like this because town Dunn knows my confidence and reads are their own little thing. Town Dunn knows I don't make sense and would be hesitant to label me scum right off the bat.

[Noraa]

I've also received some pushback for my scumread on Noraa. I don't give players +town for tunneling (as ze seem to be doing with Dunnstral). As I explained in my readslist, I don't see how Dunnstral could be anything more than Null with how little they've posted. Experienced scum know that poeple give towncredit for pushing. I think what is harder to do as mafia is give reads on the entire player list, which is what I'd like to see from zir.

I mean when I have consistently been the one person in multiple games reading dunnstral correctly when everyone disagreed with me, I think it says something about my confidence. Not to mention I have admitted that I am not 100% on Dunn time and time again. I can catch dunn in 1 post if that post is bad or good enough.

I'm determined to get a read on dunn before doing anything else. Sorry <3

[Noraa]

As for Dunnstral, I'm only defending them because I think their vote on Noraa was probably RVS

can i get a pass for my "RVS read" on you too

[Noraa]

Ok I give up. Lol dunn is almost definitely scum based on this game state. Whenever i get nightkilled and flip town, make sure to elim dunn next cuz i haven't been wrong on him in the past four games and I'm not wrong here. If you all want to elim some other random person, chances are it flips town. If it doesn't, congrats. If it does, told ya. Call me whenever you want to eliminate scum. I'll be here until im not but dunn's alignment isn't gonna change lol.

[Noraa]

*they
apologies i hhope i didnt get it wrong earlier too

[Noraa]

FTR Im 100% certain dunn is scum. Like I'm paranoid but im damn certain. I'm willing to be flashwagoned the next day if dunn doesnt flip scum because i am certain it flips scum.
I haven't read dunn wrong in the past 4 games i've had with them even when no one agreed with me. I was right then. I am right now.

[Noraa]

Lol dunn is almost definitely scum based on this game state.

Go on

explain why im scum. you are clearly reading

[Noraa]

Dunn is scummmmmm~

[Noraa]

1000% certain. Flea and titus please help me push this. If I am wrong, FLASHWAGON me tomorrow. I guarantee this so fuckign hard

[Noraa]

Dunn/furtive/?
the game is basically solved~

[Noraa]

it would be hilarious if the team was dunn/furtive/progo

[Noraa]

Lol, what am I chopped liver?

</3333333 no no no it's just that titus and flea were in my control hydra. i feel like they know my ability to sort dunn the best but you also do have some experience with that!!!! I will include you in the battle cries from now on!!!

[Noraa]

VOTE: dunnstral
I stand with Noraa

AHHH dunn is at e-2 the paranoia jitters are starting to CONSUME me. every time agh every time. i always do this but i just need to take a DEEP BREATH and believe IN MYSELF.
ok phew we're good

[Noraa]

What do you think, Enchant?

also i want to point out that this post is EXTREMELY DAMNING in a way that no other dunn post this game is damning. Maybe that's hard to understand but tonally and vibe-wise, this post is terrible.

[Noraa]

It would be even more hillarious if we win this game on d3.

that would genuinely be hilarious

[Noraa]

nothing about this situation that would make me surprised if Dunn and Noraa were both town.

I would be very very very surprised if dunn were town here

[Noraa]

I think Titus and Umlaut are my biggest scumreads.

These are such lazy reads tbh. We'll take a good look at you tomorrow though dont worry

[Noraa]

I want to understand the Dunnstral case because it seems like a lot of people are in enough agreement to put him at L-1 but I just... don't. It seems like it's Noraa saying "trust me folks Dunn is absolutely scum, I know scum!Dunn when I see it" and everyone else going along with it. I mean Dunn could be scum just like anyone who isn't towntelling could be scum, but I don't see anything to make me pick them out of the lineup. What am I missing?

Um ok I'll try to explain it. I just got out of bed so bear with me. Dunn is scum because well, for one, Dunn cares about what people think in general. And town Dunn has enough confidence in their reads to not care (town dunn has good reads btw). Town Dunn is more often than not scumread for really stupid reasons: activity, tone, whatever. But Dunn is much better at towntelling as scum than town because they actually actively trying to be townread.

Dunn is really good at mafia in my opinion. Town Dunn is good at catching scum and Scum Dunn is good at being townread. But the issue is that there is a drastic difference between the two, at least from my perspective, there is.

[Noraa]

I have played a fair few games with Dunn and can say I'm astonished that anyone thinks they can read him with 100% accuracy so quickly

I don't know. This quick hammer makes me fucking nervous to be absolutely honest but i definitely still think this flips scum.
Like, im a wreck right now, probably more than anyone else because im scared im wrong. But a half of me is partying because im like so sure it is right.
I dont know how to explain this lmao.

[Noraa]

Please ignore everyone saying "flashwagon me tomorrow if this is wrong" and flashwagon Enchant if this is wrong

It's not wrong and there's probably bussers. We'll see tomorrow.

[Noraa]

Like I remember the most recent towngame with dunn, dunn was like "oh noraa was spamming dunn is town in your neighborhood?" oh yeah noraa does that and while it's unhelpful, town noraa does that.
And this was while they were getting scumread a lot themselves.

And the thing is that town dunn doesnt make reads to get townreads. Town dunn doesn't really care that they are getting run up. Town dunn is literally just there to read people and who cares what else is happening??? On the other hand, Dunn's SR on me is straight up there in an attempt to get TRs. To your average mafia player (implosion, umlaut), people who look at games in the typical mafia ways, scum dunn is null or towny. But trust me if we threw town dunn into this game, both implosion and umlaut would agree dunn is scummy if this wagon were to happen. Assuming both are town i guess.

[Noraa]

I want to understand the Dunnstral case because it seems like a lot of people are in enough agreement to put him at L-1 but I just... don't. It seems like it's Noraa saying "trust me folks Dunn is absolutely scum, I know scum!Dunn when I see it" and everyone else going along with it. I mean Dunn could be scum just like anyone who isn't towntelling could be scum, but I don't see anything to make me pick them out of the lineup. What am I missing?

Um ok I'll try to explain it. I just got out of bed so bear with me. Dunn is scum because well, for one, Dunn cares about what people think in general. And town Dunn has enough confidence in their reads to not care (town dunn has good reads btw). Town Dunn is more often than not scumread for really stupid reasons: activity, tone, whatever. But Dunn is much better at towntelling as scum than town because they actually actively trying to be townread.

Dunn is really good at mafia in my opinion. Town Dunn is good at catching scum and Scum Dunn is good at being townread. But the issue is that there is a drastic difference between the two, at least from my perspective, there is.

Going to point out that you didn't actually answer the question, which is why am I scum in this game. You instead gave an overview of your read on my meta with nothing to connect it to the current game at a glance.

ok i'll go post by post

[Noraa]

Post 1 was a wordy first post. In general, bad sign. Straight up, may is a scumtell. You like to talk in what i call "fancy terms" when you are scum.

[Noraa]

Post 2 looks like you reworded it a couple times and settled on something short in hopes that it wouldn't trigger a tunnel.

[Noraa]

Post 3 was actually very good. I was swayed a little by it.
Post 4 is again, wordy and fancy. Scum dunn has 2 types of posts: super wordy and "towny" spew & super short, trying to not invoke a noraa tunnel posts.

[Noraa]

I mean if you are scum, i dont understand why you are trolling me.

[Noraa]

I hope you flip scum i guess

[Noraa]

this is unfortunate. dunn may be town.

[Noraa]

blegh that was unfortunate. i didn't reassess dunn as many times as i normally do. lesson learned.

[Noraa]

NORAA. You have given me the big sads. And I think you're the kind of person to try and do that as scum to secure a lim.

i dont know if i believe flea thinks this but ok.

[Noraa]

Gamma Flip disproves one of our theories, but means our reads are decent so far.

no it doesnt.
disproving one of your theories means something was wrong in your reads.
you thought i was town and dunn was scum. from the look of it, you don't currently think im town meaning you "misread" dunn and i. how does any of this mean your reads are decent?

[Noraa]

i want to explain why the read was wrong.
I typically read dunn correctly right off the bat. Now, there are exceptions (3 ish games).
The reason I jumped to conclusions was
1) overconfidence
and
2) i felt that in the past my wagons on scum dunn never gained traction because of my paranoia

and the issue is that without being overly overly paranoid and constant reassessment, i got myself locked into a SR and kept feeding into that idea that dunn was scum.

[Noraa]

progos dunn vote was BLEUAGH but im nervous to lead a wagon again so uh someone else make a case or something

[Noraa]

I got quickhammered as an expert cop on day 1 by enchant one time

[Noraa]

im up for policying enchant but im also worried bc isnt it elo @_@

[Noraa]

What does expert mean? And what was Enchant's alignment in that game?

i dont know. i got really pissed off by the memey SRs on me and never looked back at the game.

[Noraa]

oh yeah yeah. lovely and amazing

[Noraa]

implo said something about yeah its 8:3 and then my brain thought that was yesterday .. anyways ignore me

[Noraa]

lmfao you are very welcome
VOTE: enchant

[Noraa]

Yes faking a gut read on dunn is incredibly easy for scum me. But in the way that i did it? no.
the only reason im not calling your slot scum for that read right off the bat is just because i know flea has trouble reading me. but if town pooky were here, he'd say i was extremely obvtown

[Noraa]

enchant lolhammering is a good reason to policy

[Noraa]

i dont like the above post. it feels very very very very strange

[Noraa]

er the one before the one just posted

[Noraa]

enchant lolhammering is a good reason to policy

What about Progo’s vote? I found his vote really suspicious and Gamma had a very compelling case on Progo defence of furtive being “weirdchamp”.

Had I not voted Dunn, I would have voted Progo.

~Nancyfly

enchant is a better vote. the immediate walkback after dunn started twilight posting was really bad. like at that point in time i was entirely convinced dunn was trolling. Going for someone is scum immediately to uh oh uh oh this person is town is a really weird weird thing. like twilight posting generally should not start worrying you until its like the fifth twilight post and the person insists they are town or are behaving like angry town

[Noraa]

i wish pooky was here

[Noraa]

i wish pooky was merlins with me. pooky would know exactly what butterflies' alignment is

[Noraa]

i wish pooky was merlins with me. pooky would know exactly what butterflies' alignment is

What would Pooky tell you about the rest of the playerlist’s alignments, do you think?

~Nancyfly

no clue but pooky's reads are the best.

[Noraa]

I believed that Noraa is muse and pushes his knowledge, so i tried to pose as Muse as well by hammer.

I didn't really back off, i tried to imitate Muse who trying to hide. I acknowledge that sometimes people troll.

Also no regrets.

............mmmmmmk lmao

[Noraa]

i dont like the above post. it feels very very very very strange

ngl I'm having a pretty major psychosis episode (Worst part? The self-awareness.) and everything is strange at the moment.
Even Nancyfly has been a bit O.o! with me ^_^;

Will leave ya with the Nancyfly cause its like 130am and my pit calls for me.

Noraa you know what it is for me to declare a locktown as well. <3

Gnight!

-ButterFlea.

good night flea <3
i always find you scummy tbh. i hope you are okay <33333333

[Noraa]

ftr i am more convinced on butterflies scum than i am on enchant scum.

[Noraa]

like i was on dunn? no. i have scumread you pretty much every game. why are you surprised?

[Noraa]

i can't read you but i scumread you and you aren't going to change it by attacking my read on dunn.

[Noraa]

i didnt have any reads besides dunn. what are you trying to say?

[Noraa]

I believed that Noraa is muse and pushes his knowledge, so i tried to pose as Muse as well by hammer.

I didn't really back off, i tried to imitate Muse who trying to hide. I acknowledge that sometimes people troll.

Also no regrets.

Fwiw i agree. I guess my only issue is really the last sentence "also no regrets"
i've thought about it for a bit and i really dont know if that is damning or clearing. it probably is neither but it feels like something important to me.
mainly just that it feels like an ah maybe i was too explain-y, lets end this on a towny note
but it also feels like a shrug i dont give a fuck

[Noraa]

i guess my main quesiton is just implo why are you placing an e-2 vote after asking us to take things slowly the next day?
whether or not enchant flips scum, tbh i dont care currently. any elimination will be the same for me today because im really bummed out that my dunn read was wrong. i just want to idk understand the situation a little better and hope something catches my attention before i go back to being gloomy lmao

[Noraa]

ok nvm enchant is scum pretend i didnt say anything

[Noraa]

i dont know about the other posts but 371?? nahhhhhhh enchant really does not care about whether or not a lolhammer harms town lol. any lolhammerer doesn't care because lolhammers ALWAYS harm town.
at least i tried is also very unlike town enchant to say

[Noraa]

dont really see enchant flipping town anytime soon. if this is wrong, life sucks and im going to be very upset because now im all excited about the game again @_@

[Noraa]

well thats a lie....

[Noraa]

that was one towny ass catch up post

[Noraa]

that was so towny i dont eeven know how to explain how i feel @_@
i dont know ... i tend to TR scum but to this extent ... yikes i really dont know

[Noraa]

guaranteed scum in enchant/implosion/umlaut imo. possibly 2. i scumread umlaut and implosion more, but i could be wrong on that

galron kinda scummy

butterflies kinda scummy, maybe, idk, hydras are hard to read

ok and then it went downhill @_@

[Noraa]

i dont agree with it

[Noraa]

theres just so much nuance in that catch up post that something inside me is like NORAA THIS IS OBVTOWN OBVTOWN OBVTOWN TO HELL AND BACK
but then there's like this gloomy pit of darkness thats like beware beware you are gonna get pocketed~~~~

i think the former is taking over more htan the latter though but that catch up post was like a work or art or something

[Noraa]

that catchup post was just idk so well put in too many ways. like either we have master scum here and we're all losing anyways or progo or whatever the predecessors name was was just town.

[Noraa]

oh i havent seen anything but dunn for a while now. dunn's litearlly dead and all i see is still dunn.

[Noraa]

soo many regrets. i missed an opportunity to play with town dunn ;[
very very very sad

[Noraa]

it feels like one is taking advantage of the other and im not sure which direction that energy is going

this is the reason i think you are town ftr. this is so nuanced and worded in a way that i struggle very much seeing coming from scum.

[Noraa]

UNVOTE:
new player is very fun. let's give this day some more time

[Noraa]

i have a bracket read right now. fairly certain one of butterflies and fireisredsir is scum. unlikely that both are town, impossible that both are scum.

[Noraa]

one of butterflies/fire thing

the only thing i have absolutely ruled out is the two as scum together. it is impossible because fire never includes that part in the catch up post that i mentioned if they are scum together. theres jsut too many reasons not to do that to a scum buddy.
if 1 flips scum, i would consider the other locktown

[Noraa]

i do not think both butterflies and noraa are scum but im kind of doubting both are town. it feels like one is taking advantage of the other and im not sure which direction that energy is going

this read just doesnt come from scum fireisredsir to scum butterfly and me
like if eithe rof me and butterfly is scum, this post doesnt make sense.

it's small but its just not something i see scum doing to distance. it is possible from fireisredsir SCUM and both buttefly and me town. but it just doesnt come from scum fireisredsir to scum butterfly.

[Noraa]

like if fireisredsir is scum, the scum team is overall, inactive and dying. enchant is scum in this case.
if fireisredsir isnt scum, then scum is in my "townreads" whatever that is

[Noraa]

Since I already know we’re town, this post does very little to help me parse his slot.

i didnt make that post to help you parse his slot

[Noraa]

*their

[Noraa]

you could be, im not gonna rule it out, i just didn't have that read of things initially. i think it came from the confidence levels expressed in certain posts about each other, felt more like someone was being pocketed rather than two town just genuinely melding[/quote]

nancy takes SRs more personally than most players so it can be difficult for me to navigate around that. in general i try to give her room to do whatever she wants because it never benefits any game no matter the alignment of absolutely anyone for me to have an argument with her about why i should not SR her. these have never been productive ever in the history of everything and i dont want one.

[Noraa]

i think it came from the confidence levels expressed in certain posts about each other, felt more like someone was being pocketed rather than two town just genuinely melding

also nancy has never pocketed me before and i havent pocketed either of the hydra heads in a while now.
pocketing is not something that happens between our slots but the reason we feel that way i have explained in the past post

[Noraa]

in general nancy and i are players who need a lot of room and time. and that is why we act "weirdly" around each other

[Noraa]

I need to do a reread and read up but i dont think that is happening this weeekend.

[Noraa]

vla until monday

[Noraa]

I'm briefly briefly skimming along. I find titus increasingly scummy personally but i havent really read. i will actually probably be back TUESDAY rather than monday simply because tomorrow i have to study for a history test covering material from before break. toodles

[Noraa]

Also I really dont understand why butterflies has been shading the enchant wagon since forever. like i suppose i can understand townreading enchant but to this extent is a little strange to me. perhaps it comes from town. shrug honestly.
the main thing is that im not a fan of furtive's reesponses but honestly anyone's reaction to nancy's tunnel is gonna look scummy so its like .. MEH.
i'll follow up on this stuff after i have time to fully read up

[Noraa]

[fireisredsir, butterflies] has scum
[implosion, umlaut] has scum

[Noraa]

i dont remember calling you scum in that post

[Noraa]

hmm hmm ok tbh you all should end the day without me because i dont really want to catch up with the thread open. like im just being lazy but still.
i admit i would find butterflies scummy regardless of alignmnet but so much of what they do is just ???
like if you think furtive/enchant/whatever is the scum team 100% which like umm ok but also like why cant we vote out enchant today if thats the case. why must it be furtive today?
anyways i dont feel like catching up right now without any flips. my voice isnt so important that i should be used as an excuse to delay the elimination.
i should also stop paying attention to butterflies posts because they ar ejust so scummy to me i cant even

[Noraa]

have you ever played with nancy before

[Noraa]

if your answer is not no, then we have issues because no one should think that is impossible for scum nancy.

[Noraa]

nothing is "unlikely" like anything nancy does is nai period. because i've seen nancy get townread for ridiculous things as scum. nancy's scum range is basically everything you can imagine

[Noraa]

nothing is "unlikely" like anything nancy does is nai period. because i've seen nancy get townread for ridiculous things as scum. nancy's scum range is basically everything you can imagine

if anything she does is nai then why do you scumread her

i meant from your perspective.

[Noraa]

What’d I miss?

ITALIANOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Noraa]

What’d I miss?

ITALIANOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

I have missed playing with you!!!

[Noraa]

ok if this game is still open by the time i get home tonight, i will read. period. if it isn't, I will also read but you all wont see the catchup until post night.

[Noraa]

tbh i dont want to catch up but i promised it so i will do it in a couple hours. tata for now

[Noraa]

agh agh im sorry tomorrow. tomorrow i swear agh. i really neeed to go sleep because i have to wake up early for a festival thingie tomorrow.

[Noraa]

alright alright im here lets see whats going on

[Noraa]

Galron: Coasty like me. Not enough for me to get a read on yet.

this read specifically has stuck out to me both times i've read this post. interesting.

[Noraa]

some of titus' posts worry me an insane amount. the tone just feels very strange i dont know ... hmm

[Noraa]

never mind i actually think titus is town. everything feels very blunt and straightforward

[Noraa]

implosion.

why do you sr implo?

[Noraa]

a lot of furtive's posts feel incredibly self conscious/scummy but that makes me wonder if furtive is just town that isnt really thinking about how to present in a towny way since town think about that less. Post 443 is a good example

[Noraa]

never mind im back to titus is scum

[Noraa]

Spoiler:

Umlaut

: 'Policy voting' Enchant pinged me.

I wouldn't policy vote someone I thought was town

. I also still think omgussing butterflies day 1 was scummy, followed by voting Progo who's slot is now town in my eyes. Seems to be pairing with implosion. I can't see implosion/Umlaut as much as I can see Enchant/Titus, but scum might not openly pair anyway.

I don't think Enchant is town. Where are you getting that I think they're town? Enchant's hammer was bad, their reaction to Dunn's twilight posts was bad for the reasons Noraa has already given, and the excuses they're making today are just wildly implausible (not to mention, as implo said, why even make excuses for doing what you always do as town, unless you have a guilty conscience about it?)

Wait what? Does furtive have an enchant tmi read?

~Nancyfly

What are you accusing me of here? Being mafia I guess, but what tmi?

Policy voting a slot doesn’t necessarily mean that slot is town but unless it’s either extreme or near elo. it’s usually not a good reason to vote someone. So, you have enchant as your strongest sr but you just accused Umlaut of voting someone they think is town?

That’s how it reads to me like you maybe possibly have some tmi read on enchant.

~Nancyfly

Policy votes are fine, and better sooner than later.

Why are policy votes good and do you have any examples of town!you supporting policy votes?
Why don’t you have any reaction to furtive sr you? Why are you specifically focused on Implosion and Galron?

You haven’t explained a single read this entire game, save furtive’s opening post on d1. You never expressed a single read on Dunn before voting him, where as in Happy Face you relentlessly cased him.

~Nancyfly

This game is strategically different. It's not as wise for me to give too detailed reads, as I tend to be too direct and could out if I am a Merlin. I need some explanation for my reads though to be readable evidently. I am struggling to find that balance.

Shit my mini read wall got ate. No wonder you see no response.

these posts all bother me

[Noraa]

+ butterflies (hydra of Nancy Drew 39 & Flea The Magician) - Town until proven otherwise.
+ Enchant - Scum due to hammer. I don't like slots that cut off the day prior to discussion ending.
+ furtiveglance - I struggle with this slot. I don't like their reads, but I like their activity. It could just be a disagreement on reads given I can be proud. I don't like his scumread on me but nullread on Galron when we've essentially been the same activity wise. Could be a chainsaw.
+ Galron - Gun to my head scum.
+ implosion - I don't like their general attitude towards the thread and blaming others for their mistakes. His response, accurate or not, was to out his beliefs on a Merlin. I don't like how he approaches the thread and is a viable partner with Enchant.
+ Noraa - town
+ fireisredsir ProgoWoshua - A new player I've never seen as scum but I don't know their capabilities. I suspect their good as scum. Only moderate improvement on the slot. By their play lean town though.
+ Titus - me
+ Umlaut - Lean scum. Honestly gut and thread dynsmics. Revisit if furtiveglance is scum.

this post feels bad. titus is so analysis and logic oriented that this is just weird

[Noraa]

im worried to make this analysis at all but it clicks quite well in my head. this does actually remind me a lot of scum mathblade in ways i cant articulate too well

[Noraa]

brain a little messy but i can kind of see enchant town @_@
it would be a little ridiculous but like .... maybe?

[Noraa]

im super super paranoid right now maybe this was not a good time to reread @_@

[Noraa]

Who wants to bet one of us, Noraa or fire dies tonight?

lmfao i've never been a night 2 nk in my life.

[Noraa]

Enchant is still landing solidly in scum.
implosion is a good mafia player. i think i'd find his posts towny regardless of alignment and nothing is like obvtown obvtown levels so that is frustrating

[Noraa]

page 23 i cant do this rn my brain is just too big a pile of mush

[Noraa]

agh now i cant unsee it. titus tone is just reminding me of the scum mathblade tone aghhhhhhh. it's like scum mathblade but much more hidden. my uncle bear is a little more obviously scum when he's scum >.>
i dont know im worried about tone reads right now

[Noraa]

too bad my shade couldnt save them

[Noraa]

i concur but want to wait to check something today.

[Noraa]

enchant absolutely needs to go lol

[Noraa]

[Noraa]

This is a weird game? So? thats it?

we're just going off of one slot's solve and just rolling with it?

Im not sure about your slot but i dont think enchant flips town.

[Noraa]

This is a weird game? So? thats it?

we're just going off of one slot's solve and just rolling with it?

Im not sure about your slot but i dont think enchant flips town.

Could you summarize your reasoning why? like really brief, I don't give homework.

enchant generally lolhammers for fun but explaining it as c oming from a town thought process this game was weird. town enchant doesnt care that much

[Noraa]

Strategically, we don't benefit from more discussion

i agree

[Noraa]

Strategically, we don't benefit from more discussion

i agree

are you good with voting now, then?

yeah but i was hoping to see some enchant posts today

[Noraa]

they arent town like thats established i just wanted to see if they could give us any more info. but i guess not

[Noraa]

VOTE: enchant

[Noraa]

no one was eliminated??

[Noraa]

did final scum just go afk or something

[Noraa]

hey! im just wasting time procrastinating on homework right now lolol. its literally been so long since i've seen you anywhere. glad you're back!!

[Noraa]

Are most people you used to talk to still around? i feel like theres been a lot of changes but i've been here on and off so i honestly am like idk

[Noraa]

BM like retired ish? im not entirely sure but havent seen him in a bit

[Noraa]

Lol this game is so dead it's become discord chat.

LMAO its true though

[Noraa]

VOTE: No elimination

The no kill suggests scum don't know Merlin. No elimination dictates they make a move and provides more cover.

i am ok with this.

[Noraa]

Makes me think one of you two are the remaining scum..

lmao this townslip is a little old

[Noraa]

ok how about we just eliminate scorpius and call it a day? that fake townslip was kinda bad

[Noraa]

Italiano just switched alignments mid game

[Noraa]

there's one scum left and i expect a 2015 join date to know that, even if they replaced in.
also your vote on me doesn't actually make sense. theres absolutely nothing in the post you vote me that is about me. it's all about italiano. and its not like you SRed me yesterday whatsoever.
can you explain where you pulled this SR from

[Noraa]

Makes me think one of you two are the remaining scum..

oh oof i misread this. but still, that was still a very scummy read lol

[Noraa]

I dont think Italiano is scum and I'm not but shrug. Lowering it down to me and italiano at the beginning of the day is like a huge question mark to me, can you explain it?

You said "Makes me think one of you two are the remaining scum.."
now if you misread it and read "Makes me think you two are the remaining scum..", you get my perspective

[Noraa]

yeah and i dont see how you see two people chatting and your conclusion is "one is scum and the other is lost town"
like how do you get from one to the other....?

[Noraa]

no you didnt. you didnt say why it was inherently scummy to chat (it isn't?). you also didnt show any difference between the two of us.
yet you voted me and claimed italiano was lost town.

[Noraa]

first time i've ever heard someone call me scum for producing original content

[Noraa]

mmk

[Noraa]

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[Noraa]

I'm happy to just lim Scorpious and call it a day.

I'm not interested in deep discussion right now one way or another.

i agree with this.

[Noraa]

VOTE: scorpious

[Noraa]

its really unfortunate that butterflies found the whole scum team on their own on day 1 lmao.

[Noraa]

someone hammer

[Noraa]

muse fishing now i see

[Noraa]

^

[Noraa]

dunn was a strange muse guess. none of the other muses ever defended them.
gg

[Noraa]

good job to butterflies for solving this game day 1

[Noraa]

Zir an emotional and charged player, but I don't think ze would out and hardshove D1 as muse with the numbers available.

<3333333

[Noraa]

Also I had to stop Nancy just outright claiming soooo many times lol

Lol, I feel you Nancy. I was gonna claim the last day. It was my plan if I didn’t die, but I just decided to have a conversation with Noraa and let the day just happen.

hahahha. honestly i thought i would get tunneled for the dunn read.
unrelated but it hit me after the flip that butterflies was almost certainly a mage. was a little slow @_@

[Noraa]

me and Noraa could have been possibly engaging in muse theatre?

i actually tried to make it seem like that but im not very good at faking things lmao

[Noraa]

samee thing :pppppp

[Noraa]

oops