PookyTheMagicalBear's Mini Normal Review, April 2022

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

sup friends

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I was thinking about this setup and perhaps the TA is too powerful and I was thinking about nerfing it into a Odd Night Simple Disloyal Combined Follower Jailkeeper

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I was thinking about this setup and perhaps the TA is too powerful and I was thinking about nerfing it into a Odd Night Simple Disloyal Combined Follower Jailkeeper Neighbor

added neighbor because I forgot first time

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

it is also simple so it can't get any guilties

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

You have a good point with the potential conftowns being too many

Perhaps the following changes would be sufficient to reduce their power?

Change Night Five Ascetic Miller IC to Night Six Ascetic Miller IC

Change Nonconsecutive Complex Friendly Friendly Neighbor to Night Three Disloyal Complex Friendly Neighbor.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ok!

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Perhaps I can change the Night Five Ascetic Miller IC to Ascetic Miller Even Day Town Crier?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I am happy to change it to Novice Nonconsecutive Complex Friendly Neighbor.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Ascetic Miller Even Day Mailman?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Ascetic Miller Even Night Mailman

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

should i make the traitor jailkeeper bulletproof?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

exactly there is lots of room for dayplay and nightplay and it is unlikely that anything swings the setup into unplayability

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I realized I forgot to nerf the TA;

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I realize after running some numbers that the Simple Vigilante Neighbor Might be too good at catching Complex roles and I think it might reduce swing to make it Odd Night instead to reduce the number of potential vig shots that can fall on the town;

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ok is that the setup we are going with?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

lit i'm gonna write up these role pms

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Welcome to Mini ????

You are part of the Mafia Team.

Once per night one of you may carry out the nightkill - it will succeed as long as nothing interferes with it.

Your modifiers apply to only your special ability at not the nightkill - by default you have multi-tasking so you may carry out your visiting action and the mafia nightkill on the same night.

By Default you have daytalk.

There is a Traitor that is informed of your identities but not your roles that is aligned with your team. They will be endgamed if you are both eliminated but they will count towards your numbers for determining victory at parity.

Mafia Simple Combined Doctor Voyeur

You may visit one player during the Night

If your target is not vanilla, your visit will be treated as roleblocked

If your target is vanilla, you will protect them from one nightkill and learn which actions were performed on them during the night

You win when the Mafia reach parity with the Town

Mafia Complex Combined Tracker/Rolecop

You may visit one player during the Night

If your target is vanilla, your visit will be treated as roleblocked

If your target is not vanilla, you will rolecop them and learn their exact role and also which players they visited during the night that you visited them.

You win when the Mafia reach parity with the Town

Mafia Bulletproof Traitor Jailkeeper Neighbor

You are informed that ____ and _____ are part of the Mafia. The Mafia team is aware of your existence but not your identity or your specific abilities.

You are bulletproof - no number of nightkills will kill you.

You win when the Mafia reach Parity with the Town, You count towards this number for parity purposes.

You will be endgamed if Both Mafia Players are eliminated from the Game.

You have access to a Neighborhood Here:

Once per night you may visit one player - they will be roleblocked and protected from one nightkill.

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Simple Vigilante Neighbor

Welcome to Mini ????!!

You have your voice and your vote!

You may visit one player each night.

If your target is not vanilla, your visit will be treated as roleblocked

Otherwise as long as nothing else interferes with your action, you will kill them.

You have access to a Neighborhood Here ____

You win when the Mafia Team has been eliminated.

Novice Nonconsecutive Complex Friendly Neighbor

Welcome to Mini ????!!

You have your voice and your vote!

Starting on Night Two, You may visit one Player.

You may not act on consecutive nights.

If your target is vanilla, your visit will be treated as roleblocked

Otherwise as long as nothing else interferes with your action, I will inform them that you are aligned with the Town

You win when the Mafia Team has been eliminated

One Shot Complex Novice Vigilante

Welcome to Mini ????!!

You have your voice and your vote!

Once during the Game, Starting on Night Two, You may visit a player.

If your target is vanilla, your visit will be treated as roleblocked

Otherwise as long as nothing else interferes with your action, you will kill your target

You win when the Mafia Team has been eliminated

Simple Traffic Analyzer Neighbor

Welcome to Mini ????!!

You have your voice and your vote!

If your target is not vanilla, your visit will be treated as roleblocked

Otherwise as long as nothing else interferes with your action, you will be informed if they possess the ability to communicate outside of the Main Thread

You have access to a Neighborhood Here ____

You win when the Mafia Team has been eliminated

Ascetic Miller Even Night Mailman

Welcome to Mini ????!!

You have your voice and your vote!

You are Ascetic - All Night Actions other than Killing Actions will fail on you by Default

You are a Miller - You investigate as aligned with the Mafia to all investigative actions.

On even nights you may visit a player and deliver a message to them - I will send any message you want to the player as long as it does not violate site rules - do not send the message to the player directly, the player will not be informed the message is from you.

You win when the Mafia Team has been eliminated

Neighbor

Welcome to Mini ????!!

You have your voice and your vote!

You have access to a neighborhood here

You win when the Mafia Team has been eliminated

Vanilla Townie

Welcome to Mini ????!!

You have your voice and your vote!

You win when the Mafia Team has been eliminated

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Welcome to Mini ????

You are part of the Mafia Team.

Once per night one of you may carry out the nightkill - it will succeed as long as nothing interferes with it.

Your modifiers apply to only your special ability at not the nightkill - by default you have multi-tasking so you may carry out your visiting action and the mafia nightkill on the same night.

By Default you have daytalk.

There is a Traitor that is informed of your identities but not your roles that is aligned with your team. They will be endgamed if you are both eliminated but they will count towards your numbers for determining victory at parity.

Mafia Simple Combined Doctor Voyeur

You may visit one player during the Night

If your target is not vanilla, your visit will be treated as roleblocked

Otherwise as long as nothing else interferes with your action, you will protect them from one nightkill and learn which actions were performed on them during the night

You win when the Mafia reach parity with the Town

Mafia Complex Combined Tracker/Rolecop

You may visit one player during the Night

If your target is vanilla, your visit will be treated as roleblocked

Otherwise as long as nothing else interferes with your action, you will rolecop them and learn their exact role and also which players they visited during the night that you visited them.

You win when the Mafia reach parity with the Town

Mafia Bulletproof Traitor Jailkeeper Neighbor

You are informed that ____ and _____ are part of the Mafia. The Mafia team is aware of your existence but not your identity or your specific abilities.

You are bulletproof - no number of nightkills will kill you.

You win when the Mafia reach Parity with the Town, You count towards this number for parity purposes.

You will be endgamed if Both Mafia Players are eliminated from the Game.

You have access to a Neighborhood Here:

Once per night you may visit one player - they will be roleblocked and protected from one nightkill.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Welcome to Mini ????

You are part of the Mafia Team.

Once per night one of you may carry out the nightkill - it will succeed as long as nothing interferes with it.

Your modifiers apply to only your special ability at not the nightkill - by default you have multi-tasking so you may carry out your visiting action and the mafia nightkill on the same night.

By Default you have daytalk.

There is a Traitor that is informed of your identities but not your roles that is aligned with your team. They will be endgamed if you are both eliminated but they will count towards your numbers for determining victory at parity.

Mafia Simple Combined Doctor Voyeur

You may visit one player during the Night

If your target is not vanilla, your visit will be treated as roleblocked

Otherwise as long as nothing else interferes with your action, you will protect them from one nightkill and learn which actions were performed on them during the night

You win when the Mafia reach parity with the Town

Mafia Complex Combined Tracker/Rolecop

You may visit one player during the Night

If your target is vanilla, your visit will be treated as roleblocked

Otherwise as long as nothing else interferes with your action, you will rolecop them and learn their exact role and also which players they visited during the night that you visited them.

You win when the Mafia reach parity with the Town

Mafia Bulletproof Traitor Jailkeeper Neighbor

You are informed that ____ and _____ are part of the Mafia. The Mafia team is aware of your existence but not your identity or your specific abilities.

You are bulletproof - no number of nightkills will kill you.

You win when the Mafia reach Parity with the Town, You count towards this number for parity purposes.

You will be endgamed if Both Mafia Players are eliminated from the Game.

You have access to a Neighborhood Here:

Once per night you may visit one player - they will be roleblocked and protected from all nightkills on that night.

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Simple Vigilante Neighbor

Welcome to Mini ????!!

You have your voice and your vote!

You may visit one player each night.

If your target is not vanilla, your visit will be treated as roleblocked

Otherwise as long as nothing else interferes with your action, you will kill them.

You have access to a Neighborhood Here ____

You win when the Mafia Team has been eliminated.

Novice Nonconsecutive Complex Friendly Neighbor

Welcome to Mini ????!!

You have your voice and your vote!

Starting on Night Two, You may visit one Player.

You may not act on consecutive nights.

If your target is vanilla, your visit will be treated as roleblocked

Otherwise as long as nothing else interferes with your action, I will inform them that you are aligned with the Town

You win when the Mafia Team has been eliminated

One Shot Complex Novice Vigilante

Welcome to Mini ????!!

You have your voice and your vote!

Once during the Game, Starting on Night Two, You may visit a player.

If your target is vanilla, your visit will be treated as roleblocked

Otherwise as long as nothing else interferes with your action, you will kill your target

You win when the Mafia Team has been eliminated

Simple Traffic Analyzer Neighbor

Welcome to Mini ????!!

You have your voice and your vote!

If your target is not vanilla, your visit will be treated as roleblocked

Otherwise as long as nothing else interferes with your action, you will be informed if they currently possess the ability to communicate outside of the Main Thread

You have access to a Neighborhood Here ____

You win when the Mafia Team has been eliminated

Ascetic Miller Even Night Mailman

Welcome to Mini ????!!

You have your voice and your vote!

You are Ascetic - All Night Actions other than Killing Actions will fail on you by Default

You are a Miller - You investigate as aligned with the Mafia to all investigative actions.

On even nights you may visit a player and deliver a message to them - I will send any message you want to the player as long as it does not violate site rules - do not send the message to the player directly, the player will not be informed the message is from you.

You win when the Mafia Team has been eliminated

Neighbor

Welcome to Mini ????!!

You have your voice and your vote!

You have access to a neighborhood here

You win when the Mafia Team has been eliminated

Vanilla Townie

Welcome to Mini ????!!

You have your voice and your vote!

You win when the Mafia Team has been eliminated

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

made suggested edits to role pms

thank you all for your help with reviewing this mini!

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

w i l d

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Town Simple Vigilante Neighbor

Welcome to Mini ????!!

You have your voice and your vote!

You may visit one player each night.

If your target is not vanilla, your visit will be treated as roleblocked

Otherwise as long as nothing else interferes with your action, you will kill them.

You have access to a Neighborhood Here ____

You win when the Mafia Team has been eliminated.

Town Novice Nonconsecutive Complex Friendly Neighbor

Welcome to Mini ????!!

You have your voice and your vote!

Starting on Night Two, You may visit one Player.

You may not act on consecutive nights.

If your target is vanilla, your visit will be treated as roleblocked

Otherwise as long as nothing else interferes with your action, I will inform them that you are aligned with the Town

You win when the Mafia Team has been eliminated

Town One Shot Complex Novice Vigilante

Welcome to Mini ????!!

You have your voice and your vote!

Once during the Game, Starting on Night Two, You may visit a player.

If your target is vanilla, your visit will be treated as roleblocked

Otherwise as long as nothing else interferes with your action, you will kill your target

You win when the Mafia Team has been eliminated

Town Simple Traffic Analyzer Neighbor

Welcome to Mini ????!!

You have your voice and your vote!

If your target is not vanilla, your visit will be treated as roleblocked

Otherwise as long as nothing else interferes with your action, you will be informed if they currently possess the ability to communicate outside of the Main Thread

You have access to a Neighborhood Here ____

You win when the Mafia Team has been eliminated

Town Ascetic Miller Even Night Mailman

Welcome to Mini ????!!

You have your voice and your vote!

You are Ascetic - All Night Actions other than Killing Actions will fail on you by Default

You are a Miller - You investigate as aligned with the Mafia to all investigative actions.

On even nights you may visit a player and deliver a message to them - I will send any message you want to the player as long as it does not violate site rules - do not send the message to the player directly, the player will not be informed the message is from you.

You win when the Mafia Team has been eliminated

Town Neighbor

Welcome to Mini ????!!

You have your voice and your vote!

You have access to a neighborhood here

You win when the Mafia Team has been eliminated

Vanilla Townie

Welcome to Mini ????!!

You have your voice and your vote!

You win when the Mafia Team has been eliminated

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

The Rules

• ONE: FUNDAMENTALS
  • All site-wide rules apply. Read and respect them.
    
  • There is no personal communication outside the forum postings (regarding this game) unless your role specifically allows it.
    
  • Do not quote your Role PM or any private communication (either real or fabricated) with the moderator, co-moderator, backup-moderator, or fellow players. Paraphrasing your Role PM is acceptable.
    
  • Be courteous and respectful to all your fellow players and the moderating team.
    
  • Play to your Win Condition.
• TWO: DAY PHASE
  • All groups with Private Topics (PTs) will be able to converse during any Day Phases.
    
  • Votes must be in the format of VOTE: PlayerName or
    Vote: PlayerName
    , or they shall not be counted. Abbreviating someone's name is acceptable, so long as I can discern who you were voting for without trouble. If I think it should count as a vote, it will.
    
  • Unvoting is not required, but is much appreciated.
    
  • There will be modified voting rules that will be explained later in this game.
    
  • Please post at least once every 36 hours. If you fail to do so, you will be prodded. If you fail to respond to said prod within 24 hours, you will be replaced.
    
  • If you get three or more prods, or fail to respond to a prod by posting in thread within 24 hours (or by PM if at Night), I will begin seeking for a replacement (this means the third prod functions like a notice that you are racing the search for your replacement.)
    
  • A deadline extension may or may not be granted; just ask.
    
  • Votes and Unvotes shall not count in Twilight.
  
  
• THREE: NIGHT PHASE
  • Nights will last 48 hours.
    
    
    
  • FOUR: CAPITAL OFFENSES
    • Do not quote your Role PM or any private communication (either real or fabricated) with the moderator, co-moderator, or backup-moderator. Paraphrasing your Role PM is acceptable.
      
    • Do not quote or screenshot from a PT into another PT or Main Thread unless
      all
      participants have access to the PT being quoted.
      
    • There is to be no personal communication outside the forum postings (regarding this game) unless your role specifically allows it.
      
    • The following is a list of outlawed shenanigans:
      • Using invisible text, codes, cryptography, etc.
        
      • Editing your posts (if you have the power to do so)
        
      • Insulting other players
        
      • Quoting any PTs you may have access to
    • If any of these offences are committed, I have the right to force-replace you from the game, or, with Listmod permission, modkill you.
    
    
  • FIVE: MISCELLANEOUS
    • This is a game. Have fun, and keep the game fun for other people. This might be the most important rule.
      
    • Send me any questions or issues by PM, please do not post any questions about the game in the game thread.
      
    • I have the final say on any issue.
      
    • I have the right to edit this Ruleset at any time.
      
      
      
    • SIX: GAME SPECIFIC RULES
      • The Mafia possess Daytalk and Multi-tasking by Default

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

whoops stole the wrong rule set

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

rules

shamelessly stolen

inspired by datisi, plotinus' and schadd_'s rulesets.

the tl;dr:

~ day 1: 10 days. days 2+: 8 days. nights: 2 days.
~ majority yeets.
~ 36 hour before prod, 24 hours before replacement.
~ if you want to replace out, pm me.
~ flavour has no bearing on player alignments.
~ don't be a dick.

the basics:

~ follow all site rules.
~ my mod colour is

blue

. you can use it if you want, just don't attempt to impersonate me.
~ you may not talk to each other about this game outside of threads i have created for this purpose. you may not talk about other ongoing games in this thread.
~

if you wish to replace out, pm me, do not request replacement in thread.

do not discuss your reasons for replacing out publically. do not threaten to replace out or tell other players to replace out. if you have any concerns that a player should be replaced, pm me.
~ do not quote pm's from the mod at all, either real or fabricated. do not quote posts from private threads. this includes specific timestamps. paraphrasing is acceptable.
~

don’t be a dick.

this is a heated game but toxicity will not be tolerated. attack the play not the player. if your fellow players tell you to stop, you must stop. if you do not stop, i will tell you to stop. if you still do not stop, you will be force-replaced.
~

flavour is just flavour, and has no bearing on player alignments.

don't use it to make arguments.
~ play to win. seriously claiming scum with another player is against the rules. i will judge what counts as serious - don't toe the line.
~ if you have any questions about the rules, feel free to pm me.

days and voting:

~ day 1 lasts up to 10 real-life days. days 2+ last up to 8 real-life days.
~ extensions may or may not be granted if there are replacements, or if the circumstances call for it (for example, if the site was experiencing issues).
~ votes must be in bold in the format VOTE: implosion or

vote: implosion

. Strong preference for using vote tags instead of bold tags. unvotes are nice but not required. type [

v]implosion[

/v] to vote and [

uv]implosion[

/uv] to unvote.
~ you can use nicknames when voting, as long as it is clear who you're referring to.
~ if i think it’s a vote, it’s a vote.
~ days end early when a simple majority of players (50% of living players + 1 rounded down) vote to yeet somebody.
~ if a majority is not reached at deadline or if a majority of the players vote for no yeet, the day will end without a yeet. at evens, 50% is sufficient for no yeet.
~ twilight begins when a majority is reached and lasts until i lock the thread. you're still alive until i flip you so you can talk in any game threads you have access to until then, but no votes or unvotes will be counted.
~ it takes (100% of living players + 1) votes to yeet the moderator.

activity and v/la:

~ you must post at least once every 36 hours or i will prod you. you then have 24 hours to post in the game thread or i will replace you. if you come back before i find a replacement, you can stay.
~ if i have to prod you for the fourth time, i will automatically start searching for a replacement.
~ if you haven't posted in the 24 hours before the thread is locked for night, you must reply to the night start pm or you will be replaced during the night.
~ players can request me to prod somebody early. this will only count as an official prod if you don't post before you would have been due for a prod.
~ if you need to be absent for longer than 36 hours, you should declare

v/la

in bold in the thread like this: [

b]

@mod: I will be v/la until thursday

[

/b]. while you are v/la, you will be nudged once every 60 hours. two nudges equals one prod. if you have not posted game advancing content in 5 days, regardless of v/la status, you will be replaced.
~ a naked "prod dodge" does not reset the prod timer. to avoid being prodded/replaced for inactivity, include some game advancing content in your prodges, such as "got prodded; datisi is still scum."

nights and night actions:

~ nights last 48 hours.
~ the night phase can be shortened if every living player -- even those with no night actions -- agrees to it and if I'm not busy.
~ you may submit actions via pm. if you have a scum pt, a mason pt, or a notes pt, you may also submit your actions there. if the actions are not submitted by the deadline then you do nothing. you can change your mind as many times as you like before the deadline.
~ if i don't hear from you about your night actions, i'll pm you 24 hours before the deadline. this doesn't count as a prod. if i still don't hear from you, you will take no action.

miscellaneous:

~ let me know if you want a private thread to store your thoughts and feedback for the other players. you may draft posts in your notes pt if the posts are clearly meant to be posted in the main thread. you may talk about your notes pt. you may not directly quote from your notes pt, and you may not use it to demonstrate that you've had a town mindset in private all along; just put your town mindset in public to begin with and keep your notes to yourself.
~ provable randomness is against the rules. saying that you rolled a dice is fine, using dice tags or random.org screenshots is not.
~ no hard to read / extremely small text. cryptography is forbidden. breadcrumbing is okay.
~ using scripts to alter or hide another player's posts is not allowed.
~ the only allowed media is embedded content, or links to uneditable content. for example, you are not allowed to link vocaroos and pastebins in the thread.
~ very big images and big chunks of non-game-related text are allowed, as long as they are spoiled. if you post them without a spoiler, i will edit a spoiler in.
~ excessive spamming is not allowed.
~ the mod may make mistakes. minor errors (such as a mistake in the vote count) can be pointed out in-thread. for bigger errors, please pm me.
~ i reserve the right to alter/remove/add any rules as i see fit. you will be notified if this happens.

setup information:

~ this is a normal game.
~ any and all private topics will be open at all times. [daytalk enabled by default]
~ all members of the

mafia

are multitasking by default.
~ sample vanilla townie role pm:

Spoiler:

Vanilla Townie

Welcome to Mini ????!!

You have your voice and your vote!

You win when the Mafia Team has been eliminated

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

thanks for your help!

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I am actually p happy about the balance of this game nothing has really run off the rails per se and it will be up to the skill of the players whatever may be

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Just the OP, OF COURSE, mastina is primary reviewer
She consistently passes the most wild BS setups

In my defense, I personally don't like setups which have this many moving parts (that this game was in review hell for so long should be proof enough of that), but I can't let personal bias keep me from doing my job.

The game has enough VTs to not be role madness, so the only argument to be made that it isn't Normal would be if you think having almost every role having a Simple/Complex modifier is a themed mechanic.

In that regards, if you feel it was then my judgement that it wasn't would be a conflict, I admit. But while I have hesitance, I feel overall comfortable sticking by my judgement call that it was still Normal enough to be passed.

I appreciate you Mastina <3