Micro 1052: Lake Melancholy [END]

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Datisi
If I vote you you'll solve the game for me right

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Datisi
If I vote you you'll solve the game for me right

i have no clue what have you the idea that town!me has the ability to solve games

Remember frogs

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Fireisred
Sussy

[Dwlee99]

Initial townreads on prism (I will regret this), cephrir

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Fireisred
Sussy

go on

Idk solve or something

[Dwlee99]

You can also make a trap out a big tub if you have one.

Step 1. Tub with soapy water
Step 2. Put a wood board slightly above the water with something the wasps will eat
Step 3. Put outside
Step 4. Watch in horror as wasps try to get the yummy and then get their wings stuck in the soap and die

[Dwlee99]

You can also make a trap out a big tub if you have one.

Step 1. Tub with soapy water
Step 2. Put a wood board slightly above the water with something the wasps will eat
Step 3. Put outside
Step 4. Watch in horror as wasps try to get the yummy and then get their wings stuck in the soap and die

Spoiler: video for those who want more detailed instructions

[Dwlee99]

Maybe scumpings on dwlee

And that would be a glorious scumteam

bad and wrong

[Dwlee99]

If I was scum I'd want the wasps to get prism so they can't post as much, thus furthering my win con. Checkmate

[Dwlee99]

Why are you asking why? Cause I'm town silly goose

[Dwlee99]

Look I could be rational and hire an exterminator or I can sit by this window sipping a cold Elmer's with one hand and swinging a weaponized shoe in the other because I'm a lazy broke ass bitch

Or just make the tub. All you need is a tub, a wood board, water, soap, some raw meat, a few nails, and something to put the nails into the wood board.

[Dwlee99]

That was off the top of my head, rewatching the video I'm actually happy with how accurate I was remembering that from years ago

[Dwlee99]

More skitter votes.

why

[Dwlee99]

actually
VOTE: skitter
omgus does wonders

[Dwlee99]

Page 3 is the latest and greatest in shitposting trends, actually.

Dwlee might be town for lack of self-consciousness.

isn't lampshading by mentioning the omgus kinda self-conscious

OMGUS isn't scummy so it's not lampshading

[Dwlee99]

I think

whether

OMGUS is

not

scummy

or not depends on the person and how they do it.

[Dwlee99]

Sounds like traffic analyst false positive

[Dwlee99]

Also dwlee's reaction to my scumping makes me more sus of them

What is scumping?

[Dwlee99]

Also dwlee's reaction to my scumping makes me more sus of them

What is scumping?

You had some posts that pinged me as scummy for vague, inarticutable reasons

Oh I read that as a verb lmao

What don't you like

I once put a scum mailman into a setup to give a scum player that the traffic analyst couldn't guilty

[Dwlee99]

Town mailman is a role that depends on the strength of its user. It isn't useless though even without further role mechanics. Consider, for instance, that you can send someone breads on the night you die.

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Fireisred
Sussy

Initial townreads on prism (I will regret this), cephrir

These pinged me ^
Can u explain more abt the prism/ceph reads at this time?

Fireisred isn't really solving and prism is like idk kinda townie and ceph seems like he doesn't hate his existence right now

[Dwlee99]

Fireisred isn't really solving and prism is like idk kinda townie and ceph seems like he doesn't hate his existence right now

what in the first 52 posts of the game do you think was solvable

I gave reads you can too

[Dwlee99]

It appears, at the very least, that Aristeia has learned to not be as confident about their mech spec assertions

[Dwlee99]

Ok does that not apply to the like 5 other people in the game who did not have reads yet?

Also i think ceph can fake not hating the game for a whole 50 posts

Also i think vpb is somewhat scummy as well

Who else was active lurking give names

[Dwlee99]

Also yes I am not betting the game on my first two townreads being right smh

[Dwlee99]

Shockingly that is actually +town for Enchant because he's not reading the fake PM as scum lmao

do not fret, i shall solve the game!!

you're already on the shitlist, pal.

why, for taking this pagetop?

ok, now you're openwolfing.

Not saying anything new here, but I think the only way to play ascetic that would benefit the forces of despair would be hiding it. As it is, Prism has a strong reputation so I'm sure they're aware of the meta-prescribed move. So I don't view it as indicative of anything.

Ok does that not apply to the like 5 other people in the game who did not have reads yet?

Also i think ceph can fake not hating the game for a whole 50 posts

Also i think vpb is somewhat scummy as well

Who else was active lurking give names

I didnt say active lurking, i said 'wasnt solving' at that point. I disnt go back and check but i dont think any of ceph/prism/vpb maybe enchant had reads at that point ...

They're giving thoughts on the game. Enchant less so but enchant is enchant

[Dwlee99]

They're saying you wouldn't speculate on their partner this early cause doing so before bit you in the butt

[Dwlee99]

I dont have issues with fire not having content by post 50 tho

It's not damning but it's something to go off of that early

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: dwlee

Why

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: dwlee

Why

for using 27 as your example of vp giving thoughts on the game, mostly

It's not completely serious but it does suggest a read

[Dwlee99]

Zero points for claiming ascetic. that's basic moves.

I could just pick this post instead idk I'm right about what I said

[Dwlee99]

This fight is so boring

I want Datisi back

[Dwlee99]

It's not you it's me </3

[Dwlee99]

What are examples of stories that foster an us vs them attitude in order to further a political agenda?

[Dwlee99]

Zero points for claiming ascetic. that's basic moves.

I could just pick this post instead idk I'm right about what I said

its the fact that you said it and the example you gave doesn't support it. that makes me think you just pulled up his iso and grabbed a post that you thought supported your argument to add to your evidence pile. but if it was a genuine read then there was some actual post out there that informed that read, and you would have found that one instead

It does support it and I already knew I was right so I just grabbed the first post from each player's iso that was showing they were playing the game cause skitter was acting like no one was at that point which was not my impression at all when I read. I didn't read the thread marking down posts like "yea this one was doing stuff" I just knew people did and had to go find it

[Dwlee99]

Updated reads:
Okay fire's point on me feels not made up as in they actually believe it even though I find the premise (that I should have a specific post in mind for "VP doing stuff" before asserting that he would do stuff) wrong.

I'll go with keeping my prism and cephrir reads as is

I don't really scumread skitter anymore: not that I townread her but meh

I think Aristeia is town or will be solved later

I'll go with the level zero enchant read that prism posited because Enchant isn't overtly scummy here

This would leave both scum in here

skitter30
VP Baltar
Datisi

If I'm right I get a cookie

[Dwlee99]

As a team solve it'd be Datisi with one of VP/Skitter unless they're doing bussing shenanigans. This is mostly so if I happen to be right I can pretend I'm good and the reads totally weren't a fluke

[Dwlee99]

I'll go with keeping my prism and cephrir reads as is

Are you telling me that neither of us has done anything you find more alignment indicative than whatever each of us did on the first 2 pages?

You've been continuing to play the same and I really do not know how to follow through on reading prism through all the mech etc. nonsense rn

[Dwlee99]

That's E-1 btw

[Dwlee99]

Wait I missed a page lol

[Dwlee99]

Depends on if you believe in results based or process based analysis skitter. Actually I think in either your read bad nvm

[Dwlee99]

I fell asleep accidentally while writing an essay and now I have a whole page and a half to write in about an hour I'll cya later

[Dwlee99]

You're so wholesome skitter. Ty

[Dwlee99]

I am inclined to think Datisi is town right now

[Dwlee99]

Is that not a chainsaw

[Dwlee99]

Your defense of skitter is that you think the people pushing her are scum. That's chainsaw

[Dwlee99]

Hmm okay

[Dwlee99]

VP also probably town now. My list was wrong or I'm wrong now

[Dwlee99]

Tracking through, you seem to agree with fireisred's 213, and Dwlee's on us not really evolving much.

I sat on this post (213) for a bit earlier this morning without really understanding or wanting to track through it. Doing so now, I think I understand it, and think the process described is exactly what happened. I'm not really sure it's AI for Dwlee, who works a lot off of spitball impressions and only factchecking them when needed, but maybe it is!

Yea, as I said, that is basically what happened but it isn't cause it's fake it's cause I was just grabbing stuff to showcase what I had already known but not noted specific instances of

[Dwlee99]

Zero points for claiming ascetic. that's basic moves.

I could just pick this post instead idk I'm right about what I said

its the fact that you said it and the example you gave doesn't support it. that makes me think you just pulled up his iso and grabbed a post that you thought supported your argument to add to your evidence pile. but if it was a genuine read then there was some actual post out there that informed that read, and you would have found that one instead

It does support it and I already knew I was right so I just grabbed the first post from each player's iso that was showing they were playing the game cause skitter was acting like no one was at that point which was not my impression at all when I read. I didn't read the thread marking down posts like "yea this one was doing stuff" I just knew people did and had to go find it

^^^

[Dwlee99]

I feel like Skitter is probably logically correct in some way but is still scum but idk if that's ridiculous of me or not

[Dwlee99]

my only completed games with dwlee are with town dwlee so i don't have a great feel for what is AI for them, but my impression from their town games is that there are specific things that stand out strongly to them and inform their reads

but i can see a world where they do that as town too

none of my reads are terribly strong at the moment tbh

Mind map of abstract thoughts I then construct into the concrete links is generally what happens

[Dwlee99]

I mean sometimes something specific will pop out idk I'm not a monolith

[Dwlee99]

I feel like Skitter is probably logically correct in some way but is still scum but idk if that's ridiculous of me or not

It is ridiculous of you, yes

I've played scum before where the person calling me scum is 100% logically wrong in the why I'm scum but it doesn't change that I was scum y'know

[Dwlee99]

I bet enchant was just having funny moment

[Dwlee99]

I'm not sure Enchant plays with goals like that in mind

[Dwlee99]

I'm sorry ceph

[Dwlee99]

I am inclined to think Datisi is town right now

what made you think this

You posted

Okay fire's point on me feels not made up as in they actually believe it even though I find the premise (that I should have a specific post in mind for "VP doing stuff" before asserting that he would do stuff) wrong.

also is there anything specific that gave you the feels that he's Genuinely scumreading you?

It's the vibe y'know

[Dwlee99]

Gaming Style.

No idea what this us supposed to mean.

What I'm asking is did you have any outside hope scum might attack you or were you just making a joke for fun?

It means no

[Dwlee99]

scum!me is capable of typing letters and hitting submit so that's not exactly helpful

and i don't get the vibe so like

dwlee pls

It was the posts before I said that

And the vibe is based on genuinity

[Dwlee99]

I don't think I've seen Prism!town yet but this reads in the same way their D&C tilt was but idk if they tilt different as different alignments

[Dwlee99]

I'm also thinking over the possibility of town ascetic vs mafia ascetic here and hmmm

[Dwlee99]

I imagine that you do tilting as either alignment and your scum tilt is specifically meant to resemble your town tilt

[Dwlee99]

Okay but now you're getting tilted at me

[Dwlee99]

Can lead a horse to water...

I could come up with a way it could help you as scum if I wanted. That goes for anytime anyone tilts. Doesn't mean it's what's happening or that your suggestion is actually a good way to get your alignment out of your tilt

[Dwlee99]

Even a hypothetical tilt that doesn't have any plausible reasons to be a scum motivated tilt could be "this tilt doesn't have a scum motivation, so people will read it as townie" so yea I'm never going to townread you off of your tilt

[Dwlee99]

Deep.

[Dwlee99]

-snip-

The micro with 6 scum in it?

[Dwlee99]

I wouldn't be surprised if enchant was scum just watching this go down

[Dwlee99]

Why didn't you include prism in that list?

[Dwlee99]

I wouldn't be surprised if enchant was scum just watching this go down

[dwlee vote intensifies]

THis is exactly what I expect scum to conclude here. It's lazy.

Do you expect me to not think it is /possible/ enchant is just vibing through this as scum? Conclude is a uh very strong word for my post

[Dwlee99]

I actually am scumreading enchant upon ISO review though so
VOTE: Enchant

[Dwlee99]

See NOW I've made a conclusion, there's a difference

[Dwlee99]

You haven't town told outside of your first post homie

[Dwlee99]

I've played w/ town and scum enchant before and this game is looking much closer to scum enchant rn

[Dwlee99]

How many games have we played...

[Dwlee99]

Bruh

[Dwlee99]

There were two in March alone

[Dwlee99]

I wouldn't be surprised if enchant was scum just watching this go down

[dwlee vote intensifies]

THis is exactly what I expect scum to conclude here. It's lazy.

Dwlee is incredibly lazy as both alignments.

Might actually be town indicative because I think there are easier paths for scum!them to take actually.

Damn

I wouldn't be surprised if enchant was scum just watching this go down

[dwlee vote intensifies]

THis is exactly what I expect scum to conclude here. It's lazy.

Do you expect me to not think it is /possible/ enchant is just vibing through this as scum? Conclude is a uh very strong word for my post

No, but I do expect you to develop more interesting takes. I think it's possible too, but I don't really care right now.

The interesting takes have all been fleshed out imo

[Dwlee99]

We had the prism skitter thingy, someone mentioned what if Ari/prism, we had people talking about Datisi being scum and with baltar or something, maybe it's just enchant with someone else.

[Dwlee99]

I think Prism is mildly townie but I wouldn't mind flipping cause ascetic claim + scary + novice mailman

[Dwlee99]

their tilt

no uh I liked their read on Enchant but only if enchant is actually town.

[Dwlee99]

Yes maybe, could have even suggested he say the thing he posted

[Dwlee99]

Kill enchant pls

[Dwlee99]

It doesn't!

[Dwlee99]

I am willing to vote prism

[Dwlee99]

Do you ever have a thought and then it's based on some preexisting logic, but then that pre-existing logic changes and then you forget to update the prior conclusion. Yea

[Dwlee99]

Does anyone actually think Enchant is townie

[Dwlee99]

Does anyone actually think Enchant is townie

I have literally no idea how to determine Enchant's alignment ever.

Read posts, make conclusion, easy

[Dwlee99]

Dwlee, I'm curious what parallels you saw between my tilt in this game and my tilt in D&C.

My first tilt-session in D&C was a very quick 4/5 post back and forth with Brighter just to get townread by that slot, and it was at the very start of the game. The second I realized I had accomplished my goal I moved on.

My second was with Dunnstral, who was townreading me all game. I would tilt to play up being offended. There was no real attempt at nuanced conversation or debating alignment.

I think they're actually extremely different; here Aristeia is convinced I am scum for both day/mech play, the debate was about whether or not she understood my point w/r/t teams, and there was a much more mutually vicious 1v1 side to it that was not there in either of the above. You also seemed to get my point immediately, so I imagine my tilt was not hard to understand either.

Somewhat humorously, my fake tilt in my first run-in with Aristeia was actually much more comparable to this one

I just felt the vibe was similar from my memory. Those weren't the only instances of tilt in the game either, you also tilted at me after hammering me and me being annoyed.

I also do not at all get the strength of the push on Enchant.

He's just scum idk

[Dwlee99]

Look at his ISO it's just scum

Idk how to explain it in more depth than that. Has he managed to even pretend to have a read on... anything? At all?

[Dwlee99]

ok but like does town!enchant have reads

i imagine you'll answer yes so like substantiate that pls

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p13312861

Here he is replacing in to a game and on his third post after rep-in gives a gamestate read

[Dwlee99]

[Dwlee99]

I would be very interested in a dwlee or dats wagon

Does Enchant just not exist to you

Is he this dude or something

[Dwlee99]

Omg prism have you seen this show. I'm on the third season cause my roommate is making me watch it. It's fine or whatever but so ridiculous goddd

[Dwlee99]

He's a dude who is so unnoticeable that he can go invisible during basketball matches and so make epic passes to his teammates

On topic though have you read Enchant's ISO

Do you have a plan to sort Enchant or just let him active lurk until it's ELO and you realize you now have to risk the game on limming him lol

[Dwlee99]

The Scooby Doo cyber chase player station 1 game is good ftr

[Dwlee99]

anyway i've read way too much today so am about to go to bed but if you think they're scum and more worthy of a vote, happy to hear why

probably going to throw it in the trash and chug glue and vote you the first chance i get instead but you can write it and i will gaze in the direction of the words

unvoting enchant depends on a combination of the content he gives+other wagons, just deny him the option to lurk completely imo

Is this to skitter

[Dwlee99]

What does my prism read have to do with whether enchant is scum

[Dwlee99]

Look at his ISO it's just scum

Idk how to explain it in more depth than that. Has he managed to even pretend to have a read on... anything? At all?

ok but like does town!enchant have reads

i imagine you'll answer yes so like substantiate that pls

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p13312861

Here he is replacing in to a game and on his third post after rep-in gives a gamestate read

Respond to these.

[Dwlee99]

Okay but then why bring it up relative to how you're reading enchant

And maybe respond why you think it's a bad case

[Dwlee99]

It doesn't!

I am willing to vote prism

Do you ever have a thought and then it's based on some preexisting logic, but then that pre-existing logic changes and then you forget to update the prior conclusion. Yea

[Dwlee99]

Look at his ISO it's just scum

Idk how to explain it in more depth than that. Has he managed to even pretend to have a read on... anything? At all?

ok but like does town!enchant have reads

i imagine you'll answer yes so like substantiate that pls

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p13312861

Here he is replacing in to a game and on his third post after rep-in gives a gamestate read

[Dwlee99]

does town!enchant have reads

[yes]

[Dwlee99]

What do you want from me

[Dwlee99]

Ari wrote multiple paragraphs about prism's day play

[Dwlee99]

God is it actually prism/skitter?

What a world if so

[Dwlee99]

well maybe i didn't find those paragraphs that convincing DWLEE

ik it's stupid saying that while voting prism but like lole

Well I thought the words were pretty smart

[Dwlee99]

I think Ari is town fersure never lim

[Dwlee99]

Enchant is at E-1 ftr

[Dwlee99]

Skitter scum only really makes sense with enchant scum probably cause idk why she'd be like this to me as scum if Enchant is town except to maybe force me limmed after enchant or something

[Dwlee99]

Skitter scum only really makes sense with enchant scum probably cause idk why she'd be like this to me as scum if Enchant is town except to maybe force me limmed after enchant or something

can you elaborate on this, im not following

do you mean she'd just take the free enchant lim as scum instead of trying to push elsewhere? vc was enchant (2), datisi (2), skitter (0) when she voted you over enchant

I thought skitter was getting run up and is now and still seems opposed to enchant idk

[Dwlee99]

What a weird claim

[Dwlee99]

Do not follow why people want to lim Baltar

[Dwlee99]

dat linked to game with town bunyip/mafia ascetic lmfao

its a mafia game

is this the biggest brain wifom

[Dwlee99]

Wine pool

[Dwlee99]

This game is fun I like this

[Dwlee99]

So we've got one shot combined vanilla cop + simple doctor, ascetic, and novice mailman. Anyone feeling like the bunyip could be a scum role? Just spit ballin no commit

[Dwlee99]

It's more about the vanilla cop but yea

[Dwlee99]

on one hand i know for sure that you are better at mech/setup spec than me

Wacky assumption

[Dwlee99]

I am against dwlee99 lim.

Based
UNVOTE: Enchant

[Dwlee99]

What is a reflective step back and is it scummy or townie

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: prism

I think this is the best worst-case we can get here cause of the ascetic claim. Small brain simple thoughts.

[Dwlee99]

i would prefer there not be a lim on prism, enchant, ari, shuichi. could be scum in there, but i don't want it today. probably would lean away from skitter at this point. really would like vp and i think it's doable. not sure on dwlee and datisi.

You can't just be like "Yea this group of four could have scum but let's not lim there" in a 9p with 2 scum

[Dwlee99]

If dwlee masterminded two wagons though, bravo

I don't know what this means?

[Dwlee99]

If dwlee masterminded two wagons though, bravo

I don't know what this means?

I'm joking you got enchant run up and maybe prism.

oh gotcha. Thought you meant prism/you and I was very confused cause I've opposed wagoning you

I am against dwlee99 lim.

Based
UNVOTE: Enchant

dwlee is lowkey openwolfing and maybe they're doing it as a bit but it's odd that no one cares

I don't think scum!enchant would oppose my lim here. Not sure what's wrong with the post you quoted?

[Dwlee99]

Prism doing a reflective stepback on your slot when you are not even viable is not a good reason to townread Prism because she loses absolutely nothing for making such a move.

It is so basic 101 to fake this progression.

Still theory

[Dwlee99]

Wasn't I kinda the one that forced it through?

[Dwlee99]

:D

[Dwlee99]

Wasn't I kinda the one that forced it through?

...Not really? The incentives for you/Aristeia are wildly different and she has not gotten punished for voting outside all day.

Aristeia is significantly safer and wins on the spot by leaving me.

You are not safe and have strong incentive to take the elim now.

I wasn't saying I should be townread for pushing you through. My point was when Aristeia voted it was after I brought the momentum and VP followed through

[Dwlee99]

dwlee why is vp town

I'mma be real I forget but there was a reason the first time I said it

[Dwlee99]

And it was pretty good?

[Dwlee99]

Okay so I looked through my ISO and realized I only started thinking VP was town today apparently but I could have sworn I townread him like 3 or 4 days ago and have no idea what happened.

[Dwlee99]

That does not force Aristeia to vote me and shove me and kick and scream literally for one week straight. I don't see your point that you happened to vote me earlier.

Literally Aristeia is having the time of life fakemalding if she is scum and is in no rush to wave goodbye. She's not scum.

I don't think she's scum

[Dwlee99]

can you go find it again

Oh thanks I'll look around there

[Dwlee99]

Wasn't I kinda the one that forced it through?

Goddamnit yes this one I'm on my phone lmao

To point out that that specific reason to townread Aristeia isn't great. I kinda forced her hand with getting the wagon through

[Dwlee99]

Dwlee, can you walk me through your read on my dayplay+worst case scenario argument again? It appears to be piggybacking off of my own suggestion that my flip is inevitable and better off sooner than later. Your posts here suggest that you believe it is not and you will be responsible for it if it happens.

P-Edit: Okay, well, she didn't feel forced before and it took an extended back and forth with me to get her to vote me. Wild.

You're impenetrable on tone and I'm too small brain to figure out what to read into from your posts sooo worst case scenario we lose a town ascetic which oh well ig

[Dwlee99]

...And my reads, progressions, sprinting to get eliminated are also inscrutable? Or are they scum indicative?

Impossible to tell

[Dwlee99]

Prism were you angling to vote me anyway. Like if I gave you some dumb shit about some random thing being alignment indicative you were gonna say it was a bad reason and vote me?

[Dwlee99]

I don't really have scumreads anymore and I have no read on you to be questioned cause I don't have a read on you

[Dwlee99]

How do u not have any scumreads at this point?

They went away

still would like a reason for town vp, dwlee

He is less agreeable

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Baltar
Idk why keeping a 3p hood secret would ever be a good idea and his outrage about it is bothersome

[Dwlee99]

Does scum Prism have foresight to look at mod meta before claiming ascetic?

[Dwlee99]

Cephrir I'm gonna read your wall don't you worry

[Dwlee99]

If scum!prism takes weeks of prep for a scum game she probably knew about the previous setup let's be real

[Dwlee99]

If scum!prism takes weeks of prep for a scum game she probably knew about the previous setup let's be real

if scum prism wins this game I will never let you hear the end of it ever

:D

[Dwlee99]

I will not be drawing that's lame

[Dwlee99]

I'm still annoyed at "5 PRs is impossible cause Datisi is an artist" from a good friend of mine named Stephen A Smith

[Dwlee99]

I see no reason why Datisi would deviate from his four TPR mod meta he is a creature of habit and an artist and he likes things that look a certain way

Narrator: there were 5 town PRs

[Dwlee99]

Me neither

[Dwlee99]

Prism I can't tell anymore how much bring a NEET is a joke

[Dwlee99]

Being*

[Dwlee99]

Scum ?/Bunyip
Scum Goon Neighbor
Town Ascetic
Town Neighbor
Town Neighbor
Town Novice Mailman
Town ?/Bunyip
2x VT

requires only slight modification to be runnable, town too weak with just this

There needs to be one more VT here at least cause 9p instead of 8

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Prism
I'm sleep deprived!

[Dwlee99]

I am not sus I am Dwlee

[Dwlee99]

A town!baltar lim is probably losing

[Dwlee99]

If smarter people than me still want VPB I'll lim there though sure

[Dwlee99]

A town!baltar lim is probably losing

ok ive been thinking on it and i don't think this perspective makes that much sense from someone who thinks prism is scum?

like yeah if vp and prism are both town then we're def in trouble. but if someone thinks exactly one of them is i don't feel like that person should think that elimming the wrong one means we just lose? maybe you can elaborate

I really don't think it's guaranteed one of them is scum

[Dwlee99]

I really don't think it's guaranteed one of them is scum

i know you said you don't really have scumreads rn but can you at least think about who it would be if it isn't either of them

because from my pov if it isn't either of them its like almost definitely you lol

and it might be even if it is one of them

Idk Enchant/Ceph/You?

[Dwlee99]

You see the issue though right like we have these consensus townreads on a bunch of people and if those are wrong we are just going to hard lose

[Dwlee99]

But they're more likely to be wrong than right, right?

[Dwlee99]

Probability?

[Dwlee99]

Let's get prism :zany:

[Dwlee99]

Dwlee why are u townreading vpb again?
Or like why do you have such a strong preference for prism?

He does townie stuff sometime and since so many people are pooling in my brain as the same "idk you could be scum I guess" I figure we can kill the one that claimed ascetic and is scary

they got destroyed by scum prism last game so they have a healthy respect for what prism can do unchecked

Prism scary

[Dwlee99]

Your solve is prob 0/2 then

[Dwlee99]

Nothing luck about it

[Dwlee99]

Do y'all take notes or something I don't even know what I was thinking this morning some of the time

[Dwlee99]

My solve rn is dwlee/vpb

Essentially at same point, I do expect this level of play drom Dwlee having seen similar in Slaughter Hour/D&C

Differences are that they don't have any pet scumreads whatsoever, actual zero, when normally they draw a name from a hat and die on the hill giving one liners. The policying me angle is lazy and anti-competitive as fuck whereas normally they take some pride in guessing iirc

My pet scumread claimed bunyip and everyone unvoted lol

[Dwlee99]

We get it, you're better at mafia than me

[Dwlee99]

journaling is a very good way to keep track of your thoughts so that you can learn from your mistakes

the human mind has an incredible ability to alter memory in a way that hides deficiencies - writing down thoughts and decision points is critical for honest self review and assessment.

I did this once and had really good reads that game day one and day two when I got mislimmed but it meant I had to spend most of my time looking at the game on a computer and I never actually fully caught up

[Dwlee99]

We get it, you're better at mafia than me

I don't think the bar I am suggesting of basic effort is comparative.

If you really want to debate the comparative topic, yes. My scumplay is actually trying and not entirely dependent on sandbagging and zero efforting as town. Tragic.

LOL okay

[Dwlee99]

Slaughterhouse, the game where mafia specifically tried to kill me in one of the games because I was *checks notes* sandbagging?

[Dwlee99]

Why do I have to spend tons of effort trying to squeeze water out of a rock if Aristeia is screaming you're scum?

[Dwlee99]

You've had a grudge against me since before I even knew who you were it's okay lol

[Dwlee99]

Prism the first time you talked to me you told me you have never agreed with anything I've ever written how is that not a grudge

[Dwlee99]

And you can sit here and be like "oh I'm insulting the play not the player" on the technicality that you are discussing my play but uh everything you've written about my play is extremely insulting and accuses me of breaking rules by not playing to win con which is a pretty serious charge to make with zero basis

[Dwlee99]

You were advocating policying you not even 2 days ago

And accusing me of sandbagging as town to win as scum would definitely fall under not playing to win con and would be breaking site rules. Good thing I don't do that

[Dwlee99]

My solve rn is dwlee/vpb

Essentially at same point, I do expect this level of play drom Dwlee having seen similar in Slaughter Hour/D&C

Differences are that they don't have any pet scumreads whatsoever, actual zero, when normally they draw a name from a hat and die on the hill giving one liners. The policying me angle is lazy and anti-competitive as fuck whereas normally they take some pride in guessing iirc

My pet scumread claimed bunyip and everyone unvoted lol

Ok so like no reassessment since then?

I reassessed VP this morning wdym

[Dwlee99]

You literally said the word sandbagging, that word choice wasn't mine.

[Dwlee99]

A town!baltar lim is probably losing

If smarter people than me still want VPB I'll lim there though sure

This is what u mean by reasseasment? Or something else that i'm missing

I had him as scum and now I'm back to just not being sure about him

[Dwlee99]

Can I return to critiquing/evaluating your play now without it being held as an out-of-game grudge or allegations of rulebreaking?

I again cannot more emphatically deny the first and on the second will apologize for my use of the specific word "sandbagging", which comes with intent, instead of my more nuanced stance that I do not believe is either intentional or rulebreaking.

I curse like a sailor without any regard for friend/foe. I can make an effort to cut out the strength of this language, along with unusual descriptors of mine like "disgusting" [aesthetically], if it helps make you more comfortable, and apologize if this contributed to out-of-game grudge ideas. I again cannot emphasize more that I respect you as a person and that you are valued, and that my evaluation/holistic opinion of your play is entirely separate.

Sure and I'm sorry for immediately assuming the worst out of your usage of sandbagging

[Dwlee99]

I think there is a congruence issue between Prism suggesting we should policy her and not liking when I say we should policy her

[Dwlee99]

I think there is a congruence issue between Prism suggesting we should policy her and not liking when I say we should policy her

I think this is valid, but I had a post earlier about my own shift in how much I cared that I might dig up later.

I also have always been skeptical of your intent in tagging along, particularly when you seemed to

not

find my vote inevitable.

Why would me thinking it's inevitable or not matter? And where did I suggest what I thought about it being inevitable?

[Dwlee99]

What you're doing is just trying to give Dwlee shit for voting you which doesn't make sense since you said you are fine with being flipped [I don't think you do and the fact anyone believes it is fucking mind boggling to me](this is @ you skitter)

Well, this ....

she keeps saying she's fine with getting flipped
And she's doing little to prevent that from happening
She isnt really convincing the swing voters to vote elsewhere
And her overall vibe just seems very chill with being flipped, over a longish time period

None of this seems congruent with being scum, or with not being ok with being flipped

I'm not sure why u think she isnt really ...

2041 is an admission she isn't fine with being flipped

[Dwlee99]

Who is baltar's partner don't say me

[Dwlee99]

If it's not actually inevitable there's no reason to policy me. That question spring up while you were talking about you forcing it over Aristeia.

I do think it is plausible that it comes from town given that my inevitable perspective was

because

you were down to vote me and no one else was close to consensus. You don't feel that way because you are the one with the agency. Or maybe you are scum and opportunistic knowing one liners/brush offs are meta. Shrug.

I don't agree that being inevitable matters. The alternative is being in 7p or, god forbid, ELO, without your flip. Nothing about inevitability

[Dwlee99]

"If it's not actually inevitable there's no reason to policy me." This is confusing because it uses a different use for policy than the one we've been using, which is about the scary/inscrutable

My concern is that you weren't scumreading me, but suddenly when I went doomsayer yeah your vote is let plop it down and cite the "well of the town elims it's the best one" argument I used instead of actually aiming for scum

I mean I've read enough Aristeia posts to find you being scum extremely plausible

[Dwlee99]

If it's me or enchant we win even if you flip town today by going Baltar > Enchant > Dwlee

[Dwlee99]

2079 is worth elaborating on.

Do you want specific posts or ideas? The one about you not actually being okay with flipping is one I felt when we initially argued and was repeated by her. There's so many posts analyzing you though

[Dwlee99]

If VPB is scum egg on my face etc. but I just don't think that's the case. And your flip will pretty much solve the game

[Dwlee99]

Okay I will as long as thread isn't locked within next 12 hours. Will do this after grocery shopping

[Dwlee99]

Does anyone think Fire/Ceph is possible

[Dwlee99]

I presume because VP townreads me and scumreads ceph

[Dwlee99]

So it's probably something like Enchant/Ceph or Enchant/VPB or Prism/Ceph

[Dwlee99]

If Prism flips town I'm sheeping her on Ari/Fire

[Dwlee99]

I still don't know what a reflective step back is

[Dwlee99]

Yea I'll go over Aristeia's Prism points explain what I like, shouldn't take too long

page 2 of Aristeia's ISO be like:

[Dwlee99]

Oh okay I've done that as scum and town

[Dwlee99]

I think one of the most convincing things in Ari's ISO is when skitter says some reason to townread prism and Ari just destroys it.

[Dwlee99]

Spoiler:

197 has to be a fucking joke if you're town

your perspective is really strange to me because it feels like you think I don't have worry about your scum!game being good enough to get away with this.

197 is asking "Should I not be concerned?". Absolutely, you should be.

My criticism is that you learned to focus on me first, to sort that first and force it through and leave the partner spec for later. You're mitigating this criticism by drawing a new distinction of "Well I'm not voting skitter". Maybe that's important, but I don't think it is. It feels like your intent with 155 was to try and hit tonal points, and let the claim do the work of pushing me for you. It felt very wrong to me.

I'm also concerned you expect me to townread picking a fight with me period because of a certain other game. I do not.

How is it not important?

The mistake I made that you were calling me out on was that I hardshoved your partner instead of shoving you.

I am not shoving you or skitter atp because I don't like relying directly on mech without letting the game progress naturally first.

Because if the mech is wrong or a red herring, we are missing out on a lot of actual dayplay.

Also it is somewhat unenjoyable for me to strictly play based on mechspec with a good playerlist - I don't think I would get any enjoyment out of catching a skitter/you scumteam strictly on mechspec.

Agree that the initial scumread was too strong and rereading the argument about Ari pushing partners over prism directly it doesn't make much sense when comparing to this game