Micro 1052: Lake Melancholy [END]

skitter30 · Post Post #31 (isolation #0) » Wed Apr 13, 2022 11:07 am

Oh lol that was fast! Ok i'm like literally on line in security at the airport so i'll be around more tom!

Or maybe later depending on how much time i have to kill

Also this pl is fire

Also

@flavor i'm vla on fridays and saturdays!

VOTE: dats

skitter30 · Post Post #32 (isolation #1) » Wed Apr 13, 2022 11:09 am

In post 9, Prism wrote:I'm ascetic.

I want to give townpoints to this except i think scum-prism probably claims it too?

skitter30 · Post Post #36 (isolation #2) » Wed Apr 13, 2022 11:11 am

In post 10, Prism wrote:Shockingly that is actually +town for Enchant because he's not reading the fake PM as scum lmao

Idk if scum claims it right out the gate, i think town nearly always does (or at least town who's moderately experienced, whatever)

skitter30 · Post Post #37 (isolation #3) » Wed Apr 13, 2022 11:11 am

In post 35, VP Baltar wrote:we should probably lim skitter before the weekend so she doesn't have to worry the game is getting away from her while she is away.

I'm gonna be more vla thab usual this weekend >.>

skitter30 · Post Post #38 (isolation #4) » Wed Apr 13, 2022 11:11 am

In post 36, skitter30 wrote:
In post 10, Prism wrote:Shockingly that is actually +town for Enchant because he's not reading the fake PM as scum lmao
Idk if scum claims it right out the gate, i think town nearly always does (or at least town who's moderately experienced, whatever)

Oh whoops fhis wasnt meant to be quoted, this was meant to be a response to enchant

skitter30 · Post Post #40 (isolation #5) » Wed Apr 13, 2022 11:12 am

Well the airport isnt ac'd and its stupidly hot here, so yes

skitter30 · Post Post #43 (isolation #6) » Wed Apr 13, 2022 11:13 am

I know >.>

skitter30 · Post Post #47 (isolation #7) » Wed Apr 13, 2022 11:15 am

I didnt dats like one post.

skitter30 · Post Post #61 (isolation #8) » Wed Apr 13, 2022 11:21 am

Maybe scumpings on dwlee

And that would be a glorious scumteam :)

skitter30 · Post Post #64 (isolation #9) » Wed Apr 13, 2022 11:22 am

skitter30 · Post Post #67 (isolation #10) » Wed Apr 13, 2022 11:23 am

Because ... ?

skitter30 · Post Post #88 (isolation #11) » Wed Apr 13, 2022 11:43 am

VOTE: dwlee

skitter30 · Post Post #89 (isolation #12) » Wed Apr 13, 2022 11:43 am

Vpb why are u wagoning me?

skitter30 · Post Post #99 (isolation #13) » Wed Apr 13, 2022 11:48 am

Mailman is the one where you send messages at night?

I'm not sure that's damning for prism tbh

skitter30 · Post Post #106 (isolation #14) » Wed Apr 13, 2022 11:51 am

I'm p sure mailman doesnt get caught by pt cop
But i think town ascetic could very plausibly be a thing

Also dwlee's reaction to my scumping makes me more sus of them

skitter30 · Post Post #116 (isolation #15) » Wed Apr 13, 2022 11:56 am

In post 109, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 106, skitter30 wrote:Also dwlee's reaction to my scumping makes me more sus of them
What is scumping?

You had some posts that pinged me as scummy for vague, inarticutable reasons

skitter30 · Post Post #121 (isolation #16) » Wed Apr 13, 2022 11:58 am

In post 114, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 89, skitter30 wrote:Vpb why are u wagoning me?
You're having too many SERIOUS reads based on meh things.

You realize i can *very* easily bounce this read back at you, right?

And also i think you're vastly overestimating the strength of my reads ar present

skitter30 · Post Post #128 (isolation #17) » Wed Apr 13, 2022 11:59 am

In post 117, Enchant wrote:
In post 106, skitter30 wrote:I'm p sure mailman doesnt get caught by pt cop
But i think town ascetic could very plausibly be a thing

Also dwlee's reaction to my scumping makes me more sus of them
Traffic Analyst checks for "Outside communication".

Mailman is false positive for him. Yeah i misstold about PT Cop tho.

Its a false positive for traffic analyst, but not for pt cop

skitter30 · Post Post #131 (isolation #18) » Wed Apr 13, 2022 12:01 pm

In post 51, Dwlee99 wrote:VOTE: Fireisred
Sussy

In post 54, Dwlee99 wrote:Initial townreads on prism (I will regret this), cephrir

These pinged me ^
Can u explain more abt the prism/ceph reads at this time?

skitter30 · Post Post #151 (isolation #19) » Wed Apr 13, 2022 12:12 pm

Ok does that not apply to the like 5 other people in the game who did not have reads yet?

Also i think ceph can fake not hating the game for a whole 50 posts

Also i think vpb is somewhat scummy as well

skitter30 · Post Post #162 (isolation #20) » Wed Apr 13, 2022 12:19 pm

In post 152, Aristeia wrote:right now I think the scum team is exactly skitter/prism

I didn't like how she played around me revealing.

I think everyone else feels genuinely curious

That would also be a fun team!

skitter30 · Post Post #165 (isolation #21) » Wed Apr 13, 2022 12:20 pm

In post 161, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 151, skitter30 wrote:Ok does that not apply to the like 5 other people in the game who did not have reads yet?

Also i think ceph can fake not hating the game for a whole 50 posts

Also i think vpb is somewhat scummy as well
Who else was active lurking give names

I didnt say active lurking, i said 'wasnt solving' at that point. I disnt go back and check but i dont think any of ceph/prism/vpb maybe enchant had reads at that point ...

skitter30 · Post Post #169 (isolation #22) » Wed Apr 13, 2022 12:22 pm

In post 152, Aristeia wrote:right now I think the scum team is exactly skitter/prism

I didn't like how she played around me revealing.

I think everyone else feels genuinely curious

Is the 'she' here me or prism?
I dont really have thoughts on your claim / prism's role beyond: things will shake themselves out eventually

I still dont think your role makes prism scum

skitter30 · Post Post #182 (isolation #23) » Wed Apr 13, 2022 12:27 pm

In post 175, Dwlee99 wrote:They're giving thoughts on the game. Enchant less so but enchant is enchant

Meh fair enuf

I dont have issues with fire not having content by post 50 tho

Anyways i want to do this now

VOTE: vpb

skitter30 · Post Post #184 (isolation #24) » Wed Apr 13, 2022 12:28 pm

Oh that timing tho

skitter30 · Post Post #189 (isolation #25) » Wed Apr 13, 2022 12:30 pm

Fair enuf. Night enchant!

skitter30 · Post Post #196 (isolation #26) » Wed Apr 13, 2022 12:33 pm

I'm not sure 'satisfied' is the right word, more a combo of:
Their thouhht could be plausible and i'm feeling a bit worse abt vpb now

~

I dont really have thoughts on this ari/prism thing, i think they can plausibly be tvt

skitter30 · Post Post #211 (isolation #27) » Wed Apr 13, 2022 12:38 pm

I have yes. I'm not convinced either of u are scum

I dont think ari enters the game claiming novice mailman and uses that to push you (/ me) - while scum-her might want to push us two, i dont think she thinks this would br a particularly convincing/winning path

I dont have a strong read on you, but i similarly dont think you beinf ascetic is inherently scum indicative

We can at least say you're probably not scum together, i suppose

skitter30 · Post Post #214 (isolation #28) » Wed Apr 13, 2022 12:39 pm

And i think prism probably believes what she's pushing ari for rn

Vpb these posts are kinda sus ngl, especially since they form the bulk of your content; i have a hard time believing you believe that ...

skitter30 · Post Post #218 (isolation #29) » Wed Apr 13, 2022 12:41 pm

In post 215, Aristeia wrote:skitter what is prism pushing me for rn

She thinks town-you wouldnt be pushing a team of her/someone else based on recent prior experiences

skitter30 · Post Post #221 (isolation #30) » Wed Apr 13, 2022 12:42 pm

In post 216, Shuichi Saihara wrote:
In post 212, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 182, skitter30 wrote:Anyways i want to do this now

VOTE: vpb
Sweating HARD
What is with the bravado?

You wanna vote vpb with me?
Pedit u 2?

skitter30 · Post Post #223 (isolation #31) » Wed Apr 13, 2022 12:42 pm

In post 218, skitter30 wrote:
In post 215, Aristeia wrote:skitter what is prism pushing me for rn
She thinks town-you wouldnt be pushing a team of her/someone else based on recent prior experiences

And that ur read on her / push is fake

skitter30 · Post Post #226 (isolation #32) » Wed Apr 13, 2022 12:43 pm

Fair enuf
In other news fire is probably town

skitter30 · Post Post #231 (isolation #33) » Wed Apr 13, 2022 12:45 pm

? What am i lying abt?

Whats ur read on ceph?

Pedit i know >.>

skitter30 · Post Post #236 (isolation #34) » Wed Apr 13, 2022 12:51 pm

In post 234, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 231, skitter30 wrote:? What am i lying abt?
Idk. You wrote my posts are suss
not gonna lie

Weird phrasing.

What? You're the one who said i was lying

What exactly is your issue with my play at present?

skitter30 · Post Post #240 (isolation #35) » Wed Apr 13, 2022 12:54 pm

I dont know. I'm sure u can, that's just not the vibe i'm getting rn

skitter30 · Post Post #258 (isolation #36) » Wed Apr 13, 2022 1:05 pm

In post 245, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 236, skitter30 wrote:What? You're the one who said i was lying
That is not what i meant. I said it was weird of you to say "ngl" there when you could just say "vp these posts are suss".

There is a forced casualness to appending "ngl" on the phrase. So I asked why you would need to "lie" about calling my posts suss.

... 'ngl' is a very common phrase ...
This basically seems like yoh're trying to find further reasons to push me, and its very flimsy ^

skitter30 · Post Post #264 (isolation #37) » Wed Apr 13, 2022 1:08 pm

In post 251, Prism wrote:Acting like you're not pushing me/Skitter in 155 is again disingenuous.

Fwiw i'm not sure she's actually pushing me, or even a team of me/you ...

Pedit i want more than you're giving rn, yes
I think if you'd like to push me you can come up with something better and more real than 'i'm nervous!!!1!' and 'i used the phrase ngl'

Even more than that if that's your strongest read i find that concerning yes

skitter30 · Post Post #268 (isolation #38) » Wed Apr 13, 2022 1:12 pm

In post 248, Prism wrote:My argument is that you previously went on a snipehunt chasing my partner before me in the Mini Normal. I don't think you even start on that path again and just focus squarely on me.

Your response to this was that you understood the connection. However you didn't spend that much time on it, and you weren't actually voting skitter. In comparison, you actually wound up forcing my "partner" through first in the other game as you were already there. This distinction is a mitigating response with further depth of context, not a complete rejection.

Perhaps you are in fact town and this distinction critical. Acting like there's obviously no real connection and it's irrational from my end to expect this makes me suspect it is in bad faith.

You're behaving differently than how town-prism thinks you would behave here - namely, she doesn't think you would start a push on a teamread involving here again after the events of that game
/ you would keep the events of last game in mind as you make fhis push here

You're not and she finds this suspicious

I dont know wjat the events of last game are so i really couldnt say if this is a reasonable expectation or not

skitter30 · Post Post #273 (isolation #39) » Wed Apr 13, 2022 1:17 pm

I mean tbf it did kinda read like a teamread
Anyways what do u think abt vpb?

skitter30 · Post Post #284 (isolation #40) » Wed Apr 13, 2022 1:33 pm

In post 281, Prism wrote:At the end of the day she's seen me get into these 1v1s repeatedly and knows that my hitrate is quite high, even if they can be very annoying.

? Not sure i understand what you're saying

skitter30 · Post Post #287 (isolation #41) » Wed Apr 13, 2022 1:37 pm

No, i'm aware that you tend to have a whole lot of 1v1s
I dont get what that fact has to so with how i should be reading u here

skitter30 · Post Post #292 (isolation #42) » Wed Apr 13, 2022 1:54 pm

Ok got it
I think this is a tvt argument and dont have much else to say abt it really

I dont think she picks this fight with u as scum. She absolutely would try to push u and flip u if she thinks she could get away with it, but i dont think this would be the reasoning she'd use, as its somewhat flimsy

I also understand why she's shying around the mechplay argument, vs i think scum-her would just push that if she thought it would be fruitful

I also think your understanding for how she'd approach this is wrong (and somewhat hard to follow) but i think you probably (?) believe it. Ot at least i dont really scumread you for it

I think its basically a tvt argument, and i'm just letting u play yourselves out so we can get to more interesting things, like whether vpb is scum

I also think that *all* the mech arguments are flimsy. People are gonna die, or not, we're probably not flipping either of u today, so honestly i dont find this very interestig

skitter30 · Post Post #297 (isolation #43) » Wed Apr 13, 2022 2:54 pm

I mean i'm not really sure what u expected me to be doing, but ok

skitter30 · Post Post #303 (isolation #44) » Wed Apr 13, 2022 3:06 pm

Oh dear, i'm doing this all wrong apparently >.<

Anyways can we talk about how scummy vpb is being and how stilted he sounds ^

skitter30 · Post Post #308 (isolation #45) » Wed Apr 13, 2022 3:13 pm

In post 304, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 303, skitter30 wrote:Oh dear, i'm doing this all wrong apparently >.<

Anyways can we talk about how scummy vpb is being and how stilted he sounds ^
Stilted?

You're asking the wrong questions, commenting on things that are kinda irrelevant, and your read on me is bad and way too strong for the reasoning you're giving, and you're reacting kinda off to me/people pointing that out

Pedit what do u mean by 'setup' in this context?

(Fun fact! My flight got delayed by a full 4 hours!)

skitter30 · Post Post #311 (isolation #46) » Wed Apr 13, 2022 3:23 pm

In post 309, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 308, skitter30 wrote:Pedit what do u mean by 'setup' in this context?
9p packed with good town.

Who are the people "pointing it out" besides you?

Also, my questions are on fucking point. As opposed to you, who provided zero commentary on the main event of the game so far (ari/prism)Prism, and just omgused me on basically the same thing I called you out about.

(Sorry bout your flight though, that sucks)

- fire/ceph have both said similar things as me, i dont believe you've responded to anything either has said

- i actually have made several posts on the main event of the game, including a long one literally on the bottom of the previous page explaining my thoughts.

Have your thoughts on ari/prism developed beyond this?

In post 181, VP Baltar wrote:I am team Ari in this dispute.

I would actually argue that you've made less meaningul commentary than me on the main event of the game, so kinda galling that you come scumreading me for things that you're doing to a bigger extreme yourself

skitter30 · Post Post #314 (isolation #47) » Wed Apr 13, 2022 3:28 pm

Yeah but he's a smart dude who's usually a whole lot more on the ball than this ...

skitter30 · Post Post #322 (isolation #48) » Wed Apr 13, 2022 3:45 pm

I mean i've basically been saying the same thing for a while, but even if you want to say prism dragged it out of me: by definition i dont have zero commentary on the main event of the game

Also all of that is basically a non-read on prism

skitter30 · Post Post #324 (isolation #49) » Wed Apr 13, 2022 3:51 pm

Probably town
Again, kinea interesting that you're dinging me for having zero commentary and asking that question when i've said exactly that probably 4 times now

skitter30 · Post Post #340 (isolation #50) » Wed Apr 13, 2022 10:41 pm

In post 339, Datisi wrote:assuming the words "dats" and "like" are supposed to be switched around, (1) why do you choose this to say now? (2) why?

Usually in the beginning of games i try to say whatever comes to mind, however slight - doing so tends to generate content, which is nice early on

(You know this ...)

For your second question - i was questioning why my scumpings were 'bad and wrong', i'm not sure what you're objecting to

skitter30 · Post Post #344 (isolation #51) » Wed Apr 13, 2022 10:51 pm

Dats i'm gonna respond later ^ cuz i cant string coherent thoughts together anymore ...

(My flight has been delayed *checks notes* 10 hours now ...)

skitter30 · Post Post #346 (isolation #52) » Wed Apr 13, 2022 10:57 pm

Nice. Have a good time!

skitter30 · Post Post #355 (isolation #53) » Thu Apr 14, 2022 1:15 am

In post 341, Datisi wrote:the "why do you say this now" means "why do you choose to say you dislike my post not right when voting me, but after you have made like 20 filler post in between"

The rvs vote wasnt serious or based on anything (i hadnt read anything at that point), was just an initial vote that i placed somewhere

I then proceeded to read, and 13 pinged me, so i mentioned it (again, in the spirit of getting initial thoughts out early to start moving things along). Wasnf a strong read or anything, but i thought it, so i mentioned it. I *know* you've seen me do this in many prior games, so i'm not sure why you're objecting here now

~

In post 341, Datisi wrote:re second question: were you expecting anything other than "i'm town"??? like, you said you had "scumpings", you did not explain them at all, the person you're scumpinging told you you're wrong, and *you* are the one asking *them* why you are wrong... like that's not how that's supposed to work i think? you don't get to give zero explanation then ask someone why your thoughts are wrong.

i said dwlee's posts pinged. They called that a bad and wrong read. Are you saying i'm not meant to ask why they think it was a bad read? Unless you think dwlee was obvtown at that point, i dont understand why said read would be classified as 'bad', so i was asking what made iftbad

Them being town from their pov does not make it 'wrong' for me to scumread them at post 50 from my pov, and i'm puzzled why you're objecting to this sequence

skitter30 · Post Post #356 (isolation #54) » Thu Apr 14, 2022 1:19 am

In post 343, Datisi wrote:i have read the first 10 pages and my brain has started melting afterwards, so i will either return to this later or just pretend i read them

i wanna VOTE: skitter30

and if skitter30 flips red, we are nuking vp baltar literally zero fucking questions asked, their fight *really* felt like crap theatre

My vpb read was discussed multiple times in the pages you chose not to read, but ok

In short:
- his present read on me is bravado-y and is way too strong for the reasons he's giving for scumreading me, and almost feels like he'd making up reasons to continue this push
- he's ignoring multiple people's critiques of his posts (namely: fire and ceph)
- he himself is doing most of the things he's accusing me of, and ignoring when people point thay out
- his reads beyond me are shallow, notably his reads on ari/prism

How are you reading him?

skitter30 · Post Post #358 (isolation #55) » Thu Apr 14, 2022 1:21 am

In post 348, Aristeia wrote:VOTE: Skitter30

Do go on

Pedit one sec

skitter30 · Post Post #359 (isolation #56) » Thu Apr 14, 2022 1:22 am

In post 353, Datisi wrote:skitt's fight with baltar *really* reminds me of the fight she and i had very early on in the recently finished large normal where she wanted to pick a fight with me early but it's wasn't going exactly right so she kept being like "but guys look how scummy is datisi being look!!!" and like

No, i'm actually pushing him ...

skitter30 · Post Post #361 (isolation #57) » Thu Apr 14, 2022 1:27 am

In post 357, Datisi wrote:is there any reason why you are still avoiding saying why you thought that post was bad?

Was a ping. Dont know why i thought it was bad. If i have to rry to put it to words: prism's thought r.e. enchant was reasonable, and that post feels under-mining-y

In post 357, Datisi wrote:yes. your read on them offered literally no substance. then you asked them what was wrong with it.
do you not see the issue here???
like, if you had said "dwlee, i scumread you because of xyz, why do you think that is bad?" then sure, whatever. but you just said "i scumread you", and then you're asking "why shouldn't i" without saying why you scumread them makes it seem like a completely empty question, because again, what are you expecting there? what are they supposed to answer to?

No, i dont. I dont know why that read would be objecticely/immediately 'bad' and 'wrong' given what they had posted at thay point thus far , and i was asking what made it bad

Not articulating a reasonf for a scumping on post 50 doesnt make the read wrong ....

skitter30 · Post Post #362 (isolation #58) » Thu Apr 14, 2022 1:28 am

In post 360, Datisi wrote:
In post 356, skitter30 wrote:How are you reading him?
besides +partner with you, i am not

Then i suggest that you endeavor to form a read on him, his iso is p empty and easy to read ... ^

And fwiw i am formally scumreading now too ...

skitter30 · Post Post #365 (isolation #59) » Thu Apr 14, 2022 1:31 am

Because they said the read was bad and i didnt think it was objectively, so i wanted to know why they thought it was bad

I dont know what me articulating the reason for the read or not has to do with anything

Pedit yes whoops

Plz form a read on vpb when u have a chance, ty!

skitter30 · Post Post #368 (isolation #60) » Thu Apr 14, 2022 1:32 am

No i think i'm on 3
If i get to e1 i'll claim
And i would strongly encourage y'all to look at vpb and dats tom

skitter30 · Post Post #372 (isolation #61) » Thu Apr 14, 2022 1:35 am

I dont think they can judge if its bad or not if i didnt give a reason. They have nothing to base said determination off of

I dont really have anything else to add on this point, i think we're just going in circles

skitter30 · Post Post #373 (isolation #62) » Thu Apr 14, 2022 1:36 am

In post 370, Datisi wrote:skitter, why am i scum?

Feels like you're scumreading me for things that you oughtnt be + i dont like your approach to vpb + i think you're lack of interest in reading is scum-indicative

skitter30 · Post Post #374 (isolation #63) » Thu Apr 14, 2022 1:36 am

*your ugh

skitter30 · Post Post #378 (isolation #64) » Thu Apr 14, 2022 1:37 am

Gluck!

Pedit ah ok, sounds good!

skitter30 · Post Post #379 (isolation #65) » Thu Apr 14, 2022 1:37 am

What do *you* think abt dats?

skitter30 · Post Post #381 (isolation #66) » Thu Apr 14, 2022 1:38 am

skitter30 · Post Post #383 (isolation #67) » Thu Apr 14, 2022 1:47 am

Yeah i'm gonna need more than that unfortunately

skitter30 · Post Post #401 (isolation #68) » Thu Apr 14, 2022 4:18 am

In post 385, Aristeia wrote:
In post 350, Datisi wrote:UNVOTE:

still on skitter in spirit but i don't appreciate unannounced y-1's this soon with enchant in the game
I don't think scum!him reacts this way to you being put at e-1 by me when i'm half-awake

Eh this one i can kinda see, i suppose. I dont think your first point is town-indicative tho

skitter30 · Post Post #407 (isolation #69) » Thu Apr 14, 2022 5:32 am

In post 406, VP Baltar wrote:Complaining about an early game wagon on you being thin and then saying that's a reason to suss me is such scummy bullshit. Of course it's going to be thin! It's the nature of the game at that point. What town!skitter should be asking herself is about my intentions and whether I'm trying to honestly figure out her alignment by pushing on her. I don't know if she's really doing that here.

- i dont think you're trying to figure out my alignment, it seems to me like you're trying to find reasons to push me
- what are your reads on ceph and fire, who incidentally called out issues with your play similar ro my own
- i object to the characterization of my push on you as a 'complaint about an early game wagon on me'

skitter30 · Post Post #408 (isolation #70) » Thu Apr 14, 2022 5:33 am

Also i dont have an inherent issue with getting wagoned, i havean issue with getting wagoned for vague and scummy reasons

skitter30 · Post Post #411 (isolation #71) » Thu Apr 14, 2022 5:36 am

I'll get to that later, i finally landed yay

skitter30 · Post Post #414 (isolation #72) » Thu Apr 14, 2022 5:38 am

10 **** hours

skitter30 · Post Post #416 (isolation #73) » Thu Apr 14, 2022 5:40 am

No, no, 10 very exhausting non-sleeping hours sitting in an airport gate

skitter30 · Post Post #444 (isolation #74) » Thu Apr 14, 2022 7:53 am

@vpb: you commented on my apparent lack of commentary on ari/prism in 309, and this is what you argued:

In post 309, VP Baltar wrote:Also, my questions are on fucking point. As opposed to you, who provided zero commentary on the main event of the game so far (ari/prism)Prism, and just omgused me on basically the same thing I called you out about.

And in 409 you literally quote two differnet posts where i discuss it prior to that point, so that is not an accurate claim in the slightest. You're also ignoring posts: 169, 211, 214, 240, 268, all of which contain commentary on their argument, and quite lot of which is before prism poked me.

You arguing that i have no commentary on the argument is somewhere on the sliding scale of ignorance, willful ignorance, and outright misrepresenration, and i'm leaning towards the latter given the tone/vibe of 409.

Also after me pointing out that i actually do have content on this topic, and that your original claim is incorrect, you changed your argument to me not having content about it *until prism poked me about it*, which is not what you were originally dinging me for, i will note as well. I guess you think this is an easier argument for you to win tho

skitter30 · Post Post #448 (isolation #75) » Thu Apr 14, 2022 7:56 am

In post 418, VP Baltar wrote:You keep bringing this up, why?

Me, ceph, and fire all made similar criticisms of your posts so far. You're only scumreading me for it, however. To me, rhat implies that your read on me isnt real, because if you were inherently concerned with my line of questioning, you would be asking fire/ceph about *their* line of questio ning as well, bur you're not. You're all but ignoring their pushes on you

skitter30 · Post Post #451 (isolation #76) » Thu Apr 14, 2022 7:59 am

In post 421, VP Baltar wrote:I think skitter was in Mafia Revelations (could be wrong because my memory sucks)

I wasnt, no.

In post 421, VP Baltar wrote:So, part of me poking around early, first on fire and then on skitter, was trying to exploit that feeling I am assuming scum are feeling. I don't care much if it comes across as hypocritical or whatever. My only goal right now is getting better reads for myself D1 so I have a base to work from.

You're probably correct in this is how scum-me would feel in this pl. You, however, are woefully incorrect in thinking that this is how scum-me would react to this pressure tho ...

skitter30 · Post Post #452 (isolation #77) » Thu Apr 14, 2022 7:59 am

In post 449, Dwlee99 wrote:I feel like Skitter is probably logically correct in some way but is still scum but idk if that's ridiculous of me or not

It is ridiculous of you, yes

skitter30 · Post Post #460 (isolation #78) » Thu Apr 14, 2022 8:04 am

In post 455, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 451, skitter30 wrote:You, however, are woefully incorrect in thinking that this is how scum-me would react to this pressure tho ...
How would you react?

Wouldnt be propegating this argument, and certainly not while i'm exhausted

Yiu're also ignoring the bulk of my argument yet again, but ok

skitter30 · Post Post #463 (isolation #79) » Thu Apr 14, 2022 8:07 am

In post 459, Datisi wrote:
In post 452, skitter30 wrote:
In post 449, Dwlee99 wrote:I feel like Skitter is probably logically correct in some way but is still scum but idk if that's ridiculous of me or not
It is ridiculous of you, yes
does this imply that skitter is claiming she cannot be logically correct as scum? wild

Why is this what you're popping in to comment on >.>
And i dont think that's what i'm implying?
Pedit yes plz do, in particular 409 which i feel is incredibly misreppy

skitter30 · Post Post #467 (isolation #80) » Thu Apr 14, 2022 8:09 am

In post 464, Datisi wrote:oh yeah, i had another thought earlier

skitt, why did you say "well i was achkchually pushing vp" as if i haven't seen you bus your scumbuddy into the ground in a micro game before

Why on earth do i start a micro bussing my buddy ... ?
The example you're thinking of they were already under fire when i bussed

skitter30 · Post Post #468 (isolation #81) » Thu Apr 14, 2022 8:09 am

Have u formed a read on vpb yet?

skitter30 · Post Post #475 (isolation #82) » Thu Apr 14, 2022 8:16 am

In post 465, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 444, skitter30 wrote:Also after me pointing out that i actually do have content on this topic, and that your original claim is incorrect, you changed your argument to me not having content about it *until prism poked me about it*, which is not what you were originally dinging me for, i will note as well. I guess you think this is an easier argument for you to win tho
Was I being hyperbolic? Probably. Is the sentiment of what I am saying accurate? Absolutely.

You should acknowledge you were not really being direct in your thoughts about ari/prism until she pressured you to explain.

If you are town here, I think you're doing as much or more disingenuous arguing than I am here.

Pedit -skitter, I'm not ignoring your argument. I'm responding to the main points you're making. I don't really do point by point fights if I don't have to because nobody actually wants to read that. I'm also at work and phone posting. When I can read back, I'll respond to anything I missed that I think is relevant.

- latter point: fair enuf
- i think the hyperbolicism is incredibly mis-rep-y
- i think i could have probably posted at length abt ari/prism befoee prism prodded me, sure. There's a pretty clear trajectory in my posts about the argument prior to that point tho, so i think you arguing that i ignored a major part of the game is completely inaccurate

skitter30 · Post Post #478 (isolation #83) » Thu Apr 14, 2022 8:17 am

In post 470, Datisi wrote:idk why you're pestering me about it as if i have a claimed bop on him as i do on ico or bugspray

Cuz at this point he's a p central part of thr game and idk why you dont seem to be interested in solving it

@vpb if anything this is willfully ignoring key points of the game ... ^

skitter30 · Post Post #482 (isolation #84) » Thu Apr 14, 2022 8:21 am

Dats ... >.>
That post has so many issues with it i dont even know where to begin

skitter30 · Post Post #484 (isolation #85) » Thu Apr 14, 2022 8:24 am

People who are above null: ari, fire, enchant
People who are south of null: vpb, dats

Idk: prism, dwlee, ceph

skitter30 · Post Post #494 (isolation #86) » Thu Apr 14, 2022 9:05 am

@vpb: sooooooo had you even read my posts when you said that i had no commentary on the ari/prism thing?

Also now that you've read them, you're moving the goalposts from: zero commentary on the argument to none until prism prodded me to my posts about the argument were weak ...

Also 240 is a direct response to 238, where prism questioned how i was reading her based on the ari/prism argument ...

skitter30 · Post Post #509 (isolation #87) » Thu Apr 14, 2022 9:31 am

In post 501, VP Baltar wrote:To come back and pretend the posts you cited are some clear demonstration of you taking decisive stances I am ignoring is laughable.

I literally had definitive stances in the posts you quoted and read through

I'll drop this now cuz we're going in circles but yeah

skitter30 · Post Post #511 (isolation #88) » Thu Apr 14, 2022 9:33 am

In post 506, Datisi wrote:the other issue i have is that skitter... seems to be really REALLY into making anything i say be scummy? like, i didn't immediately shit out a read on vp. on a day i said i will be busy. so what. that's "ignoring a central point of the game". are you fucking kidding me. knowing that (1) her datisi-partner reads are incorrect like that (as seen in pick your poison) and (2) knowing that towntisi just doesn't always have reads on everything (as explained in pick your power).

I dont know if you're partners with vpb
But you have suspicious interactions woth someone i'm scumreading, so i'm going to call that out

And wrt the second point: fair enuf, i'll drop that
Hope you enjoyed the day with ur friend

skitter30 · Post Post #524 (isolation #89) » Thu Apr 14, 2022 12:02 pm

In post 521, Prism wrote:My other idea is just burn the skitter and honestly good chance it works good but god help us all if it doesn't and that approach would probably tilt her off the end of the earth.

I mean it probably wont *tilt* me but i'll make it my mission before i go to get all of u to strongly consider vpb and dats afterwards

skitter30 · Post Post #530 (isolation #90) » Thu Apr 14, 2022 12:41 pm

I'm not sure why you think i get tilted there
I mean i dont like it
But i dont get auto-tilted cuz people want to flip me

skitter30 · Post Post #534 (isolation #91) » Thu Apr 14, 2022 1:01 pm

Indeed

Also btw i think fire is on ur list of people u cant read, i'm p sure they're town

skitter30 · Post Post #543 (isolation #92) » Thu Apr 14, 2022 2:01 pm

Wrt fire:
- i like their tone, its more chill than i imagine it would be as scum
- i like that they're pushing vp for similar reasons as me
- their posts are lowkey very perceptive and making good observations
- i like their dwlee push
- generally from their posts you can tell they're thinking about the game and what others are posting and what those posts imply about others' alignment

skitter30 · Post Post #551 (isolation #93) » Thu Apr 14, 2022 3:11 pm

547 was very illuminating, thank u

skitter30 · Post Post #557 (isolation #94) » Thu Apr 14, 2022 3:19 pm

In post 553, Prism wrote:you're not fuckin welcome

jk hope ur enjoying being freed from the tyranny of the aviation industry

I am indeed, ty

Also prism is officially a tr for me mow as well

skitter30 · Post Post #562 (isolation #95) » Thu Apr 14, 2022 3:25 pm

It was more of a townlean before

And you just conveyed ur perspective in a way that just *explains* why you were so sus of ari and why you were scumreading her. Like the pieces fell into place and the perspective for ur half if the argument just makes *sense* now
Which makes me think town

Enjoy the book!

skitter30 · Post Post #586 (isolation #96) » Fri Apr 15, 2022 3:13 am

In post 569, Aristeia wrote:
In post 568, Aristeia wrote:
In post 557, skitter30 wrote:
In post 553, Prism wrote:you're not fuckin welcome

jk hope ur enjoying being freed from the tyranny of the aviation industry
I am indeed, ty

Also prism is officially a tr for me mow as well
Have you actually studied any prism town games?
I meant scum games.

No

skitter30 · Post Post #587 (isolation #97) » Fri Apr 15, 2022 3:14 am

Dats why do u hate thia gane exactly?

skitter30 · Post Post #591 (isolation #98) » Fri Apr 15, 2022 3:49 am

His overall vibe is: fuck this game
And i'm trying to understand why
I dont think its too bad

And sorry for being so pedantic yesterday, i was getting annoyed

Pedit ok i guess
Like i said i dont actuallu think this game is too bad to get reads kn

skitter30 · Post Post #593 (isolation #99) » Fri Apr 15, 2022 3:51 am

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=82512

He's talking abt this one. I would again like to point out that its different from whatever he thinks i'm doing to you here, in that that one my partner was hevily under fire, so i just bussed hard (maybe after coming back from vla idk)

And this one if i'm partners with u i'd have just decided to randomly start bussing you as my first oush of the game, which i wouldnt do ...

skitter30 · Post Post #596 (isolation #100) » Fri Apr 15, 2022 4:09 am

I'm p sure it was coming back after vla to see my partner widely suspected, i started mildly suspecting them, couldnt figure out a way off, so i ended up just going very hard and they got flipped nut we looked very unaligned

But take that with a grain of salt as it was like many years ago and its possible that i'm forgetting/confusing some of the details

skitter30 · Post Post #597 (isolation #101) » Fri Apr 15, 2022 4:10 am

On a related note:

vla tomorrow and Sunday

Of the sort where i wont really be online

skitter30 · Post Post #599 (isolation #102) » Fri Apr 15, 2022 4:37 am

Indeed

skitter30 · Post Post #630 (isolation #103) » Fri Apr 15, 2022 6:23 am

Oh no, i'm so sorry :(

skitter30 · Post Post #644 (isolation #104) » Fri Apr 15, 2022 7:11 am

I dont think fire was doing that there tbh

skitter30 · Post Post #652 (isolation #105) » Fri Apr 15, 2022 7:58 am

In post 647, Prism wrote:Call it gut but I really don't think VP Baltar is scum

Fwiw i am probably getting over this read

skitter30 · Post Post #662 (isolation #106) » Fri Apr 15, 2022 8:20 am

Prism are u primarily voting me cuz of the you/ari thing?
VOTE: dats

skitter30 · Post Post #664 (isolation #107) » Fri Apr 15, 2022 8:22 am

I would also like to note that i am still somewhat sus of dwlee

skitter30 · Post Post #667 (isolation #108) » Fri Apr 15, 2022 8:25 am

And upon reflection, i'm less confident in town-ari than i was ro begin with

Pedit i actually think i would egg it on as tvt as scum. Like pick a side and just make it a bigger thing
Kinda weird how you and ari are coming to opposite conclusions about what i would do but still both scumread me

skitter30 · Post Post #668 (isolation #109) » Fri Apr 15, 2022 8:26 am

And where do u go when i flip town, prism?

skitter30 · Post Post #673 (isolation #110) » Fri Apr 15, 2022 8:29 am

If we're heading down this road, i want to have this discussion before i flip

@prism

Pedit fair enuf

skitter30 · Post Post #677 (isolation #111) » Fri Apr 15, 2022 8:31 am

It would indeed
I dont think (?) that's the universe we live in tho

I also prism has a very wrong assessment of what i would habe been doing as scum if ari/prism is tvt

Pedit no thay's a bad vote

skitter30 · Post Post #679 (isolation #112) » Fri Apr 15, 2022 8:33 am

That's also not what ari said, but ok

skitter30 · Post Post #683 (isolation #113) » Fri Apr 15, 2022 8:35 am

I gave my reasons last night i think (?) , and i feel reasonably confident
I honestly dont know why you scumread them

skitter30 · Post Post #689 (isolation #114) » Fri Apr 15, 2022 8:38 am

In post 684, Aristeia wrote:also i recognize how hilarious this is that im doing a conditional scumread on skitter for trying to defuse AvP and Prism is doing a scumread of skitter for not defusing AvP

Yeah i've already noted the irony there >.>

skitter30 · Post Post #702 (isolation #115) » Fri Apr 15, 2022 8:46 am

In post 693, Datisi wrote:your treatment of my slot is giving me bad vibes and this lowkey feels like chaining skitter > datisi and i don't like it

Uh how are you reading me again?

skitter30 · Post Post #704 (isolation #116) » Fri Apr 15, 2022 8:47 am

In post 697, Aristeia wrote:
In post 677, skitter30 wrote:It would indeed
I dont think (?) that's the universe we live in tho

I also prism has a very wrong assessment of what i would habe been doing as scum if ari/prism is tvt

Pedit no thay's a bad vote
why do you think she has that assessment.

No idea

skitter30 · Post Post #705 (isolation #117) » Fri Apr 15, 2022 8:48 am

I dont really get dats' prism vote tbh

skitter30 · Post Post #711 (isolation #118) » Fri Apr 15, 2022 9:39 am

In post 709, Aristeia wrote:I don't understand how you can have no idea what Prism is doing yet maintain a townread on her.

I mean i dont understand this bit, but i dont think she gets tilted for that reason during her argument with u as scum

skitter30 · Post Post #714 (isolation #119) » Fri Apr 15, 2022 9:51 am

Incidentally, neither do i!

skitter30 · Fri Apr 15, 2022 10:48 am

and vla on sunday this week

skitter30 · Fri Apr 15, 2022 10:50 am

Feel better prism!!!

skitter30 · Fri Apr 15, 2022 11:35 am

No, i've never seen her play scum.
But when i saw it it seemed like a townie reason to get tilted, and explained her behavior in a way that made sense

skitter30 · Fri Apr 15, 2022 11:36 am

Ok so maybe i shouldn't be townreading u for that then

skitter30 · Fri Apr 15, 2022 11:42 am

Ok, good to know

skitter30 · Fri Apr 15, 2022 11:55 am

Ngl i do still kinda think prism's half was townie >.>

skitter30 · Fri Apr 15, 2022 12:07 pm

I am learning all sorts of things today

Also: does anyone have a read on dwlee?

skitter30 · Fri Apr 15, 2022 12:13 pm

Ok yeah ari's gonna shout at me but i dont think this is a scum tilt
Or more accurately: i dont think the present discussion around the tilt folds out this way if prism is scum

skitter30 · Fri Apr 15, 2022 12:39 pm

Ok but:
- i would argue her play this game is *not* congruenf with trying to pocket me
- if she is scum tilting, why is she being so open about that strategy and how she utilizes it exactly ...

skitter30 · Post Post #764 (isolation #129) » Fri Apr 15, 2022 1:18 pm

Is my townread on u bad?

skitter30 · Post Post #877 (isolation #130) » Sun Apr 17, 2022 4:40 pm

I like 772
I do not like 774

skitter30 · Post Post #878 (isolation #131) » Sun Apr 17, 2022 4:41 pm

In post 782, fireisredsir wrote:
In post 463, skitter30 wrote:
In post 459, Datisi wrote:
In post 452, skitter30 wrote:
In post 449, Dwlee99 wrote:I feel like Skitter is probably logically correct in some way but is still scum but idk if that's ridiculous of me or not
It is ridiculous of you, yes
does this imply that skitter is claiming she cannot be logically correct as scum? wild
Why is this what you're popping in to comment on >.>
And i dont think that's what i'm implying?
Pedit yes plz do, in particular 409 which i feel is incredibly misreppy
i would like skitter to explain what she was implying

That it was ridiculous for dwlee to think i was right and still scumread me

skitter30 · Post Post #879 (isolation #132) » Sun Apr 17, 2022 4:42 pm

In post 814, Prism wrote:Also skitter's

>.>

skitter30 · Post Post #880 (isolation #133) » Sun Apr 17, 2022 4:44 pm

In post 844, Prism wrote:Lean scum on fireisred and am willing to vote there.

Lean scum on fireisred and am willing to vote there.

No offense but ur reads are p bad this game

skitter30 · Post Post #883 (isolation #134) » Sun Apr 17, 2022 4:47 pm

In post 881, Aristeia wrote:do you still think she's town

Probably (?)

~

I am becoming more sus of dwlee
As well of dats' nonending existential dread

skitter30 · Post Post #887 (isolation #135) » Sun Apr 17, 2022 5:05 pm

I would be very interested in a dwlee or dats wagon

skitter30 · Post Post #893 (isolation #136) » Sun Apr 17, 2022 5:09 pm

I'm not nearly as comvinced as you are that enchant is scum
I've no idea who that is

skitter30 · Post Post #901 (isolation #137) » Sun Apr 17, 2022 5:30 pm

In post 894, Dwlee99 wrote:He's a dude who is so unnoticeable that he can go invisible during basketball matches and so make epic passes to his teammates

On topic though have you read Enchant's ISO

Do you have a plan to sort Enchant or just let him active lurk until it's ELO and you realize you now have to risk the game on limming him lol

First paragraph: that sounds cool!
Rest r.e. enchant: i have. I dont particularly see anything that makes him scum, and i'm not convinced why you think he's scum either
(Also as ceph pointed out 810 makes no sense)

I dont really have a plan for dealing with him, he's kinda slotted into the 'not-mafia' category in my mind. But at the same time, while you can certainly argue he isnt townie, and i'd agree with you, that doesn't make him scum either

skitter30 · Post Post #902 (isolation #138) » Sun Apr 17, 2022 5:32 pm

In post 896, Prism wrote:anyway i've read way too much today so am about to go to bed but if you think they're scum and more worthy of a vote, happy to hear why

Dats' whole vibe is existential dread, qnd i dont get why he's not liking or getting into this game as much, and i think that's + scum for him. He should have more real reads by now, and i dislike his read on both me and you

Dwlee is like on the edge of everything and how *quiet* they're being i'm finding sus, and the enchant push is lazy and a cop-out

skitter30 · Post Post #905 (isolation #139) » Sun Apr 17, 2022 5:36 pm

I didnt say it did?

skitter30 · Post Post #906 (isolation #140) » Sun Apr 17, 2022 5:37 pm

I dont have anything to say to 862 ...
(What sort of response would you even be expecting from me?)

And i dont think tje rep-in really implies much abt his game here

skitter30 · Post Post #908 (isolation #141) » Sun Apr 17, 2022 6:11 pm

I was saying it doesnt make sense to be townreading prism (contingent on enchant being town) while scumreading enchant

That thought has nothing to do with my personal prism or enchant reads, i'm pointint out that yours dont make sense

skitter30 · Post Post #910 (isolation #142) » Sun Apr 17, 2022 6:21 pm

And its just a empty case
His iso is empty
Sure yeah i agree with you

You're saying that makes him scum tho, and that's the bit you havent adequately explained: why does his iso being empty make him scum?

skitter30 · Post Post #912 (isolation #143) » Sun Apr 17, 2022 6:33 pm

I still dont know why that makes him scum, and i'm baffled that thats your strongest sr

skitter30 · Post Post #963 (isolation #144) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 5:34 am

In post 917, fireisredsir wrote:why is it ridiculous? people can be logically correct and scum at the same time. you are very often. im not tryna be pedantic here i actually think this is somewhat significant since you are strongly dismissing a suspicion for something that i think is clearly invalid. so i want you to explain more in detail what your thought process is on this point

It was a statement of exasperation more than anything else

I dont have a further explanation really

skitter30 · Post Post #964 (isolation #145) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 5:35 am

In post 918, fireisredsir wrote:
In post 910, skitter30 wrote:And its just a empty case
His iso is empty
Sure yeah i agree with you

You're saying that makes him scum tho, and that's the bit you havent adequately explained: why does his iso being empty make him scum?
what made you put enchant in above null in 484? and what changed?

His very earlygame i thouhht was +townie for him (i.e. around rvs stage)
I dont feel very strongly about this anymore

skitter30 · Post Post #965 (isolation #146) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 5:37 am

@ari i guess i just dont find the mechanical reasoning very compelling? I feel like mods these days are very fond of red herrings ... ?

skitter30 · Post Post #966 (isolation #147) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 5:38 am

In post 949, Datisi wrote:there is something really interesting(?) about skitter saying i'm having nonstop existential dread or whatever when it's like, pretty known that pester people about their reads on me when i don't get them or when i feel like they shouldn't have those reads if they were town

Uh can you say this again in different words? Not sure i understand

skitter30 · Post Post #970 (isolation #148) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 5:44 am

It's not about your prism read in particular?
(Or even at all ...?)

Its that your overall vibe is: i hate this gaaaaaaaame

Pedit sorry dats, i can drop it :(

skitter30 · Post Post #972 (isolation #149) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 5:47 am

It feels different than pyp

skitter30 · Post Post #973 (isolation #150) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 5:48 am

And the hatred is stronger than normal

skitter30 · Post Post #976 (isolation #151) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 6:00 am

I dont think its nonsense >.>
You feel different

And more bluster-y
Idk

skitter30 · Post Post #983 (isolation #152) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 6:30 am

He feels so off tho >.>

But fine

VOTE: dwlee

That's the third vote btw ^

skitter30 · Post Post #989 (isolation #153) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 6:41 am

Dats does any of that affect how ur reading me?

skitter30 · Post Post #992 (isolation #154) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 6:45 am

Uhh is it still nonsense that i think you're feeling off or ...

And why is dwlee townie to you.

skitter30 · Post Post #996 (isolation #155) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 6:50 am

I think enchant is a significantly easier push than a lot of other people in this pl, no?

skitter30 · Post Post #999 (isolation #156) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 6:53 am

Or just be lazy and take the easy road ... ?

skitter30 · Mon Apr 18, 2022 7:12 am

Hard game is hard >.>

skitter30 · Mon Apr 18, 2022 7:16 am

My i'm partners with everyone this game

skitter30 · Mon Apr 18, 2022 7:18 am

Idk i like making them

More protracted response ro the above after work etc ^

skitter30 · Mon Apr 18, 2022 7:22 am

Ari i really want you to revisit dats tomorrow ^

skitter30 · Mon Apr 18, 2022 7:26 am

In post 1005, fireisredsir wrote:i can't remember if anyone talked about this but i think it's bad for several reasons

one is that this is a 9p, its not like 2 scum are gonna have a large social influence on the game if one of them is being run up. the 1 partner could be one of the people who is like "yeah skitter kinda scummy" but not really pushing there, or it could be they already decided skitter is going down and are bussing, or it could be enchant who hasn't really given any reads

another reason is that vp was calling for more skitter votes and for a skitter wagon for like the whole early game. and then when he gets what he wants and skitter's response to pressure is, as he says, "not great", suddenly he backs off with the reasoning that there were too many people supporting the elim

like i don't think its valid at all to think that someone can't be scum in a 9p when they are a mostly consensus scumread

and vp's progression on skitter kinda makes me think that the team is just vp/skitt and they were like haha let's make an early push for pressure and towncred bc skitter is a strong player who can handle it and won't get limmed, oh oops, people actually agreed, ahhh, what now, find somewhere else to push

and skitter voting datisi when that seemed to be the likely push but then now switching to dwlee is just... kinda scummy

- i think that logic (i.e. everyone scumreading one person is sus from a gamestate perspective) still holds in a micro (and i know it holds here)
- i'm literally only dropping dats cuz ari is insisting he's town. I pretty adamently think dats is scummy
- i still think vpb is scummy
- if i was partners with vpb i really dont think that's how the early game plays out in that:
-- i dont think he pushes me that hard out of the blue
-- i think if i'm pushing *him* i keep it going quite a while longer

Pedit i am p darn convinced that dats is scum here, and i would greatly appreciate it if y'all would listen to that tomorrow ^^^

And i'll just claim: vt

skitter30 · Mon Apr 18, 2022 7:27 am

In post 1016, Datisi wrote:VOTE: skitter

what am i doing

P confident this is scum-dats ^^^^

skitter30 · Mon Apr 18, 2022 7:28 am

In post 1008, Shuichi Saihara wrote:There's a lot of hedging here. 32 doesn't do anything besides try to look town -- as I write this, I'm thinking the entire concept of "I want to townread X, but I won't" is scummy, which is an original thing that's coming up for me right now; it looks like a town thought process but avoids committing to any read. 196 calls the conflict TvT without really calling it TvT ("I don't really have thoughts, except here are my thoughts"). "I'm not sure that damning" reads similarly, and "I don't think" would have served just as nicely in that slot meaning-wise.

You can call it hedging sure, but that's just how i normally talk/type

skitter30 · Mon Apr 18, 2022 7:29 am

In post 1008, Shuichi Saihara wrote:The phrasing of "you realize I can" substantially changes the tone here. It could be a point about hypocrisy, but instead it is a threat. Granted, I am unsure what scum would hope to gain by threatening a townie.

That's me starting to become annoyed

skitter30 · Mon Apr 18, 2022 7:32 am

In post 1024, Shuichi Saihara wrote:If you are town and want me to give scum-dats the time of day as a concept, I need more.

If you want to give me like 4 hours, sure

Part lf it tho is that i dont think town-dats doubles down on me here ^

Pedit dats why are u even scumreadinf me exactly? Your whole trajectory on me rhis game is waffling in accordance with how big the game on me is

skitter30 · Mon Apr 18, 2022 7:34 am

In post 1008, Shuichi Saihara wrote:These thoughts are all just... so basic and obvious. Scum might even not post them because they're so uninteresting and level zero/probably the first thing one would think of.

I would also like to point out that i repeatedly said at the time that i didnt really have thoughts, but was asked to produce some anyways

Dinging me for having unsatisfactory thoughts when i said that i didnt have any is just kinda ....

skitter30 · Mon Apr 18, 2022 7:44 am

Ok dats:
- he's exuding a vibe of 'i hate this game' which i think strongly correlates with scum-him, ari agrees that he has this vibe but was telling me it isnt scum-indicative so i backed off. I still strongly think this is +scum for him
- his reads are incidental and dont make sense, ex: prism read, ex: read on me
-- read on me has been waffle-y and he keeps changing it, often in accordance with how big my wagon is / how easy i am to push
-- i dont think he sincerely scumreads me here. His read basically boils down to 'i'm scumreading him for nonsense' *while acknowledging* that he thinks town-me has often done that before
-- even if that is his read on me, i dont think town-him chooses to push me for that reason on day1, whereas scum-him will absolutely take advantage of the existing wagon
- in general the rest of his reads are incidental and weak (if they exist at all) ... his dwlee read is that he doesnt think scum-dwlee pushes enchant today which is just ???? why is that even remotely town indicative ... ???

I would like people to look into this more please ^

~

General reads:
Town: ari, fire
Probably town but unhappy about it: prism, enchant
Scummy side of null: ceph
Scummy: dats, dwlee, vpb

Ok i actually gotta pretend to do my job now, later

skitter30 · Mon Apr 18, 2022 7:46 am

In post 1033, skitter30 wrote:- he's exuding a vibe of 'i hate this game' which i think strongly correlates with scum-him, ari agrees that he has this vibe but was telling me it isnt scum-indicative so i backed off. I still strongly think this is +scum for him

Also dats was scumreading me *for thinking he had this vibe*, but when it was objectively noted that he has this vibe (i.e. i'm not just making it up), he's still scumreading me for accusing him of this, which doesnt make sense

skitter30 · Mon Apr 18, 2022 8:08 am

In post 967, Datisi wrote:i have no clue why you're saying i'm having existential dread when i was interrogating prism about her read on me

because (1) do you disagree that i was wrong about her push on me being weird and lawyery? she agreed with that (2) I ALWAYS INTERROGATE PEOPLE WHEN I FEEL THEIR READ ON ME IS SHIT

like you scumread me for this in one scumgame and then you scumread me for it in a towngame and it's like FAM that's just how i solve so what's the issue

what's the existential dread here

Ur issue earlier was me saying that you had any existential dread to begin with

It later changed to 'fine i may have existential dread but i dont like you saying it'

And i'm saying you:
- didnt explain why its scummy for me to think that
- should have reevaluated between point 1 and point 2 upon receiving the information that you are in fact giving off that vibe (i.e. and consider hiw that might affect my read on you) but instead you just jumped to 'well you're scummy for thinking that anyways', which is partly why i think you're manufacturing this read, because *in context* it makes sense for me to think this about your play, but you're skipping over the checkpoint of 'does this make sense' to continue to find reasons to scumread me

skitter30 · Mon Apr 18, 2022 8:33 am

Uh ceph, you're kinda painting my posts in (what i feel to be) a needlessly uncharitabe light, multiple times in these wallposts, some examples including:

I make >.>'s all the time as both alignments in all sorts of contexts, and i have a long history of doing so across multiple games. Picking two out of the multiple i've made in this game to ascribe guilt is ?
And you may not like that i havent elaborated upon my reasons for my reads, but failing to do so is not inherently scum-indicative, and i believe you ought to know that ...
'Formally scumread' also a phrase i believe i have said multiple times in a variery of games, basically just to indicate the read is 'official' now

I'm mot sure there's anything you particularly want me to respond to tho

skitter30 · Mon Apr 18, 2022 8:34 am

In post 1060, fireisredsir wrote:yea i found that pretty concerning. her posting since then has felt better to me (more the way she's positioning, not as much what she's saying) but i don't really know what she looks like under pressure

I'm not sure you actually want a response to this, but i tend to freeze under pressure as scum
I dont start posting more :shrug:

skitter30 · Mon Apr 18, 2022 8:36 am

In post 1059, Shuichi Saihara wrote:
In post 983, skitter30 wrote:He feels so off tho >.>

But fine

VOTE: dwlee

That's the third vote btw ^
On the other hand, this could have done the trick if I'm wrong about Dwlee, especially with Enchant in the game.

No? I would have unvoted if it reached e1 with enchant in the game. And if i were trying to hasten the wagon i wouldnt havr counted the votes or announced the e1 ...

What exactly are you trying to imply here?

skitter30 · Mon Apr 18, 2022 8:36 am

*announced the e2

skitter30 · Mon Apr 18, 2022 8:41 am

Yeah i tend to freeze as scum.
See eod2 of the 'bunnies mini normal' for how i react to pressure as town in a similar situation (also in an airport even!)

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=88600

Pedit wrt dats - i guess the bit that i'm having trouble wifh is that his stand-off-ish-ness doesnt seem relatable to me this game, and but i van see a universe where scum him decides to lean into this to give him a way to 'interact' with the game

skitter30 · Mon Apr 18, 2022 8:46 am

In post 1067, Shuichi Saihara wrote:Harrumph. Expecting me to do the work!

Uh, yeah actually. I dont think that's an unreasonable request at all, to expect you to read the posts where i explain my dats read immediately after you complain i havent explained my dats read

And hey a cursory cntrl-f of the firsf page of my iso in radio buzz guves 18 >.>'s so

skitter30 · Mon Apr 18, 2022 8:47 am

In post 1068, fireisredsir wrote:
In post 1067, Shuichi Saihara wrote:Uh oh, this feels important but I'm getting into eye-glaze 1v1 mode.
better than me, i just deemed it unimportant tbh

...
Sigh

skitter30 · Mon Apr 18, 2022 8:48 am

In post 1070, Shuichi Saihara wrote:Why did you end this post with a question mark instead of just calling me scum when that is clearly what you want to say?

I havent arrived at a conclusion if i think you're scummy for this yet

skitter30 · Mon Apr 18, 2022 8:55 am

I'm still not really sure why we're wagoning enchant either tbh ...

skitter30 · Mon Apr 18, 2022 8:59 am

Oh yeah inb4 people say that

skitter30 · Mon Apr 18, 2022 9:01 am

Also question: where is vpb amongst all of this?

skitter30 · Mon Apr 18, 2022 9:03 am

?
Why is ari's reading of 'offness' more valid than mine ... ?

Pedit oh that's a classic boon role
Pedit no its real

skitter30 · Mon Apr 18, 2022 9:05 am

Especially if you yourself think you were being off ...

If anythinf ascetic seems like a miller to that role
And makes me think ascetic is more likely town...

Pedit boon had a whole series of quasi-normal games and this was a classic 'boon' role that featured in many of them

I think boon thinks kts close enuf to normal

skitter30 · Mon Apr 18, 2022 9:06 am

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p10556149

skitter30 · Mon Apr 18, 2022 9:08 am

Boom is flavor leaf, if that isnt clear

Well either way enchant's town for that i think

skitter30 · Mon Apr 18, 2022 9:11 am

In post 1103, skitter30 wrote:Especially if you yourself think you were being off ...

If anythinf ascetic seems like a miller to that role
And makes me think ascetic is more likely town...

Pedit boon had a whole series of quasi-normal games and this was a classic 'boon' role that featured in many of them

I think boon thinks kts close enuf to normal

In post 1107, skitter30 wrote:https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p10556149

@fire

skitter30 · Mon Apr 18, 2022 9:13 am

I dont think he actually thought the game had a vig

skitter30 · Mon Apr 18, 2022 9:42 am

In post 1148, Prism wrote:don't think claim is +town for enchant even if real claiming, can also see skitter inventing fakeclaim for him

Oh i was waiting for that inb4 too ^

I also think i was being lowkey unpleasant so i want to take a bit of a break as well
Pedit feel better data <3

skitter30 · Mon Apr 18, 2022 12:38 pm

No fire is still town >.>

Dats it is possible i'm just bad at learning from mistakes ...

skitter30 · Mon Apr 18, 2022 12:48 pm

No tell, his play is just very townie
I dont necessarily agree with all of his conclusions, but you can tell that he's thinking about th3 game and that he's trying to solve
For example, his read on ceph just makes sense: it's a very +townie thought process to townread someone for basicslly having similar thoughts as you at the same time as you (i.e. they both came to the scum-me read at roughly the same time, independantly, and fire townreads ceph for that). The read is wrong, sure, but its a townie thought process

His reads are also changing, in a good way, they arent static

Just quietly making good observations

I dont see anything to scumread, but i see a lot to townread

Pedit @vpb r.e. fire

skitter30 · Mon Apr 18, 2022 12:51 pm

Read on me

skitter30 · Mon Apr 18, 2022 12:56 pm

No i meant fire's read on me
I.e. that's a read that i think changed in a believable way

skitter30 · Mon Apr 18, 2022 1:03 pm

If he's scum he has no reason to switch and can just keep pushing me ?

And i think scum were trying to flip me more than pocket me .... why would they be pocketing me here ... ?

skitter30 · Mon Apr 18, 2022 1:09 pm

In post 1160, fireisredsir wrote:
In post 1156, Dwlee99 wrote:Do not follow why people want to lim Baltar
he's scummy and skitter got less scummy

skitter30 · Mon Apr 18, 2022 1:24 pm

In post 1202, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 1196, skitter30 wrote:And i think scum were trying to flip me more than pocket me .... why would they be pocketing me here ... ?
The absolute best time to pocket anybody is when they are on the ropes. You want to build that bridge when the victim is at their weakest so they feel like they need you. Worst case scenario, town still plows through the yeet and you get to say "I told you they were town!"

? That's a really good time to flip them, no?

skitter30 · Mon Apr 18, 2022 1:39 pm

In post 1210, VP Baltar wrote:skitter, do you actually see progression in fire's read on you or just him saying "she's less scummy now"?

He had a few posts along thosw lines, and i think its a townie read because i think scum continues to push me there, and doesnt really back off ...

Pedit i know >.>

skitter30 · Mon Apr 18, 2022 1:52 pm

In post 1216, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 1215, skitter30 wrote:
In post 1210, VP Baltar wrote:skitter, do you actually see progression in fire's read on you or just him saying "she's less scummy now"?
He had a few posts along thosw lines, and i think its a townie read because i think scum continues to push me there, and doesnt really back off ...

Pedit i know >.>
I can't remember, did you keep calling me scum after I was the first person to back off you?

I think i did for a bit and then the scumread lessened but i dont remember rhe timeline offhand exactly

~
Prism... i think most scum continues to push there ?

skitter30 · Mon Apr 18, 2022 1:55 pm

Have a great night ari!

skitter30 · Mon Apr 18, 2022 2:04 pm

Ari when u have a chance (tomorrow!) can you give me another non-mechanical tldr for why prism is scum?

I know you did already but i dont get it >.>

Pedir night!

skitter30 · Mon Apr 18, 2022 2:49 pm

In post 1243, fireisredsir wrote:
In post 1186, skitter30 wrote:For example, his read on ceph just makes sense: it's a very +townie thought process to townread someone for basicslly having similar thoughts as you at the same time as you (i.e. they both came to the scum-me read at roughly the same time, independantly, and fire townreads ceph for that). The read is wrong, sure, but its a townie thought process
i thought you meant the read on you was wrong here, but on reread it looks like you're saying the read on shuichi? clarify pls and if so then why

Basically, what i was saying is that your read on ceph is townie: you both mutually came to a scumread on me at the same time, and you townread ceph for having a similar thought process at a similar time as you
That is a townie thoughr process imo