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Not saying anything new here, but I think the only way to play ascetic that would benefit the forces of despair would be hiding it. As it is, Prism has a strong reputation so I'm sure they're aware of the meta-prescribed move. So I don't view it as indicative of anything."Some lies can lead the world to hope... Some truths can lead the world to despair... So I don't think anyone can really say which is more right in the end."- Shuichi Saihara
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The information is already out there for those who care to look, and I find the asymmetrical information brought about by those who have enough time on their hands to research it vs. those who don't to be unfair and distasteful.In post 45, Prism wrote:Shuichi, what's the process behind deciding to out your main post 1?"Some lies can lead the world to hope... Some truths can lead the world to despair... So I don't think anyone can really say which is more right in the end."- Shuichi Saihara
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Depends on what you mean. I have already made an in-character post, though I likely won't make too many more, and my Shuichi style is different from the one I employ on my main account.In post 49, Enchant wrote:
You are not roleplayer just in case?In post 48, Shuichi Saihara wrote:
The information is already out there for those who care to look, and I find the asymmetrical information brought about by those who have enough time on their hands to research it vs. those who don't to be unfair and distasteful.In post 45, Prism wrote:Shuichi, what's the process behind deciding to out your main post 1?"Some lies can lead the world to hope... Some truths can lead the world to despair... So I don't think anyone can really say which is more right in the end."- Shuichi Saihara
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It's a headspace thing. Cephrir is my real self, but I'm a gut player and a lazy, sassy bitch. Shuichi is meant as more of a logical/tryhard account, and my other public alt Chandra uses anger and aggression to develop reads.In post 50, Prism wrote:My point is that you could have just played on your main."Some lies can lead the world to hope... Some truths can lead the world to despair... So I don't think anyone can really say which is more right in the end."- Shuichi Saihara
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This confidence is a meme, right?In post 87, VP Baltar wrote:Only two spots left on this skitter wagon. Better bus now scum butts"Some lies can lead the world to hope... Some truths can lead the world to despair... So I don't think anyone can really say which is more right in the end."- Shuichi Saihara
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I suppose. I was thinking more "this post looks iffy on first glance and scum might rethink it."In post 90, fireisredsir wrote:
isn't lampshading by mentioning the omgus kinda self-consciousIn post 86, Shuichi Saihara wrote:Page 3 is the latest and greatest in shitposting trends, actually.
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Possible. It seems like a mod trap either way really. If it's not an intentional wild goose chase or red herring, then it's punishing scum for standard play, right? I guess that's why I find myself searching for a third explanation.In post 133, fireisredsir wrote:
it seems to me like a lot of closed setups have at least one role that on some level is "the mods messing with players who try to setup spec"In post 120, Shuichi Saihara wrote:Novice mailman is a pretty strange role no doubt. Why is a mailman so good it needs to be nerfed?"Some lies can lead the world to hope... Some truths can lead the world to despair... So I don't think anyone can really say which is more right in the end."- Shuichi Saihara
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Or wait it's the opposite of this maybe? IDK.In post 137, Shuichi Saihara wrote:then it's punishing scum for standard play"Some lies can lead the world to hope... Some truths can lead the world to despair... So I don't think anyone can really say which is more right in the end."- Shuichi Saihara
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Yeah you're rightIn post 140, Aristeia wrote:if Prism is town, it would be punishing town in a 9P for a very logical thing to happen on Day 1"Some lies can lead the world to hope... Some truths can lead the world to despair... So I don't think anyone can really say which is more right in the end."- Shuichi Saihara
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Where I'm at right now on a sort of gut level I think is, the role might make Prism scum, need more data, but there's no way I'm going to lim on just that as another explanation may present itself in the future. I confess to being mechphobic. But I should put on my Trying Hat later and go over it again."Some lies can lead the world to hope... Some truths can lead the world to despair... So I don't think anyone can really say which is more right in the end."- Shuichi Saihara
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I missed this post, but it answers a question I asked VPB. This is hypocritical at best, since it itself is a serious read based on a meh thing. It's hardly a reason to call for more votes on skitter. The whole iso dances between overconfident and distant sniping.In post 114, VP Baltar wrote:
You're having too many SERIOUS reads based on meh things.In post 89, skitter30 wrote:Vpb why are u wagoning me?"Some lies can lead the world to hope... Some truths can lead the world to despair... So I don't think anyone can really say which is more right in the end."- Shuichi Saihara
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What is with the bravado?
"Some lies can lead the world to hope... Some truths can lead the world to despair... So I don't think anyone can really say which is more right in the end."- Shuichi Saihara
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I thought this was going to be omgus but it was actually surprisingly good.In post 213, fireisredsir wrote:
its the fact that you said it and the example you gave doesn't support it. that makes me think you just pulled up his iso and grabbed a post that you thought supported your argument to add to your evidence pile. but if it was a genuine read then there was some actual post out there that informed that read, and you would have found that one insteadIn post 203, Dwlee99 wrote:
I could just pick this post instead idk I'm right about what I saidIn post 34, VP Baltar wrote:Zero points for claiming ascetic. that's basic moves."Some lies can lead the world to hope... Some truths can lead the world to despair... So I don't think anyone can really say which is more right in the end."- Shuichi Saihara
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It sounded like you lost a previous game because you started hunting for a partner too early, so by trying to form a pair now you're outside your town range? It doesn't strike me as a very good argument.In post 241, Aristeia wrote:
Do you actually understand Prism's argument?In post 237, Shuichi Saihara wrote:Severely doubt that Ari's master scum plan is to pretend not to understand what's happening. She's better than that."Some lies can lead the world to hope... Some truths can lead the world to despair... So I don't think anyone can really say which is more right in the end."- Shuichi Saihara
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Me neitherIn post 244, Aristeia wrote:In post 243, Shuichi Saihara wrote:
It sounded like you lost a previous game because you started hunting for a partner too early, so by trying to form a pair now you're outside your town range? It doesn't strike me as a very good argument.In post 241, Aristeia wrote:
Do you actually understand Prism's argument?In post 237, Shuichi Saihara wrote:Severely doubt that Ari's master scum plan is to pretend not to understand what's happening. She's better than that.
in context let me explain what happened that game;
I was pushing Meg
Prism defended Meg,
I found Prism's defense scummy.
I hardshoved Meg through instead of pivoting for Prism.
I don't understand how this criticism applies to my actions this game where I am not shoving either Skitter or Prism."Some lies can lead the world to hope... Some truths can lead the world to despair... So I don't think anyone can really say which is more right in the end."- Shuichi Saihara
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Are you this intellectual pick on stuff from the sidelines person, or are you the MORE SKITTER VOTES, I LAUGH IN THE FACE OF YOUR WIMPY VOTE person? I'm getting all kinds of whiplash. Maybe you should check your PT for coaching.In post 255, VP Baltar wrote:
Nah. You catch scum D1 in a game like this by looking for people acting awkward. Especially in a game with lots of killers like this, scum will have a hard time finding a rhythm immediately. They will misread intentions and try to act natural. There is a whole artiface to D1 as scum where you need to get in the flow.In post 247, fireisredsir wrote:vp this seems like a weird thing to pick on ngl"Some lies can lead the world to hope... Some truths can lead the world to despair... So I don't think anyone can really say which is more right in the end."- Shuichi Saihara
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Are you telling me that neither of us has done anything you find more alignment indicative than whatever each of us did on the first 2 pages?In post 275, Dwlee99 wrote:I'll go with keeping my prism and cephrir reads as is"Some lies can lead the world to hope... Some truths can lead the world to despair... So I don't think anyone can really say which is more right in the end."- Shuichi Saihara
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You almost got a laugh, but not quite. Keep trying!
This post read genuine to me. The rest of Datisi's posts didn't make me think anything in particular.In post 353, Datisi wrote:so i decided to open one of the pages i didn't read earlier and i see THIS and i'm like
okay i think i get what my subconsciousness was trying to tell meIn post 303, skitter30 wrote:Oh dear, i'm doing this all wrong apparently >.<
Anyways can we talk about how scummy vpb is being and how stilted he sounds ^
skitt's fight with baltar *really* reminds me of the fight she and i had very early on in the recently finished large normal where she wanted to pick a fight with me early but it's wasn't going exactly right so she kept being like "but guys look how scummy is datisi being look!!!" and like
this is very very much reminding me of that
Pot to kettle. Yes, you gave an opinion, but you were still very much happy on the sidelines. As I've alluded to previously, you haven't seemed inclined to get your hands dirty with much of anything.In post 409, VP Baltar wrote: Prism raised a good point that skitter was kind of sidelining in the Prism/Ari fight and not giving much of an opinion. I repeated this and skitter accused me of not taking much of a position (when I clearly stated early on that I think Ari looks better out of it).
skitter isn't screaming town to me like she has done in some past games, but granted, I was scum in all of those games and didn't actually have to read her."Some lies can lead the world to hope... Some truths can lead the world to despair... So I don't think anyone can really say which is more right in the end."- Shuichi Saihara
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What have you found town-indicative from Dwlee?In post 422, Prism wrote:I'm pretty ambivalent about a lot of the discussions.
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Between VP Baltar and skitter30 I'd vote skitter. His posts are about catching awkwardness/uncomfortable tone and posturing. He found skitter's content overwrought and her reaction to votes stilted. He's not town to me but I don't see this as scummy. I still find skitter's posturing around me/Aristeia questionable and disagree with Aristeia that she'd more explicitly jump into the fray as scum.
Bottom three can really go in any order. Datisi goes at the bottom because their catchup struck me as very arbitrary in trying to push. 341 on skitter and the followup about it was awful imo. The page 1 "I don't get this" when they just thought another possibility was questionable. 353 was okay.
fireisredsir and Shuichi like, exist. Shuichi definitely exists. fireisredsir has made some points that I look at and just go "OK". Dwlee I think is fine, but am used to much more passive play (Slaughter Hour, D&C) so maybe scum shrug."Some lies can lead the world to hope... Some truths can lead the world to despair... So I don't think anyone can really say which is more right in the end."- Shuichi Saihara
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I found your VP Baltar townread strange because your comments on him in that post seem to indicate a null read. I have to assume it is in fact a townread since I asked why you townread Dwlee and you provided an answer, so you must townread everyone above them as well.
You spent most of today voting Aristeia so that's obviously a strange move.
Having Enchant as a top townread at this point strikes me as pretty silly. Maybe even intentionally silly. I thought you were supposed to be good at this game and I struggle to believe there's nothing as AI as that in these pages.
The Dwlee townread is strange to me because even the reason you gave seems pretty easy to fake. And I think they're scum at the moment so that's a factor."Some lies can lead the world to hope... Some truths can lead the world to despair... So I don't think anyone can really say which is more right in the end."- Shuichi Saihara
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Stuff, in general!In post 439, VP Baltar wrote:
This is aIn post 431, Shuichi Saihara wrote:Pot to kettle. Yes, you gave an opinion, but you were still very much happy on the sidelines. As I've alluded to previously, you haven't seemed inclined to get your hands dirty with much of anything.badtake.
How am I not "getting my hands dirty"? Or rather, what do you think I should be getting my hands dirty with more/have not commented on?
Like I said earlier, I think you've been doing mainly passive sniping on subjects other than skitter, though she gets some of the "just throwing shade" posts as well like 318, which I also notice now is just a bad post in general for moving the goalposts.
Like, you said "I'm team Ari" and then didn't post about the subject anymore even though it was the main event. You could've supported Ari, for example.
Another example, you threw out a townread on Dwlee with no commentary. They're currently copping votes, so it would make sense to get in the trenches a little and explain that read."Some lies can lead the world to hope... Some truths can lead the world to despair... So I don't think anyone can really say which is more right in the end."- Shuichi Saihara
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Honestly no I would greatly prefer we collectively move on from that.In post 440, Prism wrote:If you really want me to walk through my entire progression with Aristeia I can but I think that it shouldn't be a surprise given my posts this morning."Some lies can lead the world to hope... Some truths can lead the world to despair... So I don't think anyone can really say which is more right in the end."- Shuichi Saihara
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Interesting idea to come to a townread for that. When I see a defense, I'm usually thinking "is this good enough for me to drop the suspicion I had for the point being responded to." Unless you just mean the townread is for the very thing fire was scumreading, which I can understand.In post 485, VP Baltar wrote:
@shuchi - The reason I'm town reading dwlee is this exchange with Fire. I can see the intent of what dwlee was doing with the posts he picked, even as they were not necessarily the best examples. If you're scum, you just likely don't do this. You spend the extra 10 mins to find the best argument you can. As scum, I always feel more compelled to be meticulous in my posting. Here, Dwlee is trying to get a meaning across without necessarily having any self consciousness about the posts they are picking. The post they picked from me wasn't a great example, but I can see what Dwlee meant about that post being effort. (I am of course biased here because I KNOW what I was actually doing with that post, even as it looks fluffier on its face).In post 267, Dwlee99 wrote:
It does support it and I already knew I was right so I just grabbed the first post from each player's iso that was showing they were playing the game cause skitter was acting like no one was at that point which was not my impression at all when I read. I didn't read the thread marking down posts like "yea this one was doing stuff" I just knew people did and had to go find itIn post 213, fireisredsir wrote:
its the fact that you said it and the example you gave doesn't support it. that makes me think you just pulled up his iso and grabbed a post that you thought supported your argument to add to your evidence pile. but if it was a genuine read then there was some actual post out there that informed that read, and you would have found that one insteadIn post 203, Dwlee99 wrote:
I could just pick this post instead idk I'm right about what I saidIn post 34, VP Baltar wrote:Zero points for claiming ascetic. that's basic moves."Some lies can lead the world to hope... Some truths can lead the world to despair... So I don't think anyone can really say which is more right in the end."- Shuichi Saihara
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I like that you were able to take this step back but dislike that reviewing the evidence didn't cause you to step back even further -- I hadn't looked at the posts skitter cited but overall they look like they pretty strongly support her point.In post 488, VP Baltar wrote:
Ok. If I'm being very generous, I can see how you feel maligned maybe. But there are a lot of weak takes in these posts too:In post 444, skitter30 wrote:You're also ignoring posts: 169, 211, 214, 240, 268, all of which contain commentary on their argument, and quite lot of which is before prism poked me.
From post 169:I dont really have thoughts on your claim / prism's role beyond: things will shake themselves out eventually
Post 211 is a little more substantial, so that's fair.
From post 214:
This is all of post 240 you cite:And i think prismprobablybelieves what she's pushing ari for rn
Post 268 is you explaining Prism's argument to Ari when she said she didn't understand.I dont know. I'm sure u can, that's just not the vibe i'm getting rn
Like, these are your own examples, so I still think you're overstating your positions, but I acknowledge you might see this as more committed than I do."Some lies can lead the world to hope... Some truths can lead the world to despair... So I don't think anyone can really say which is more right in the end."- Shuichi Saihara
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Dwlee is scary.In post 490, Aristeia wrote:VP it feels like your dwlee read is rooted in how you specifically play mafia-alignment and not on any actual meta or read of how Dwlee plays."Some lies can lead the world to hope... Some truths can lead the world to despair... So I don't think anyone can really say which is more right in the end."- Shuichi Saihara
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If you figure out how to read me, let me know. I have no idea.In post 521, Prism wrote:I feel like I am going to have to meta all of Baltar, Cephir, and fireisredsir to have any idea how to read them and I straight up do not want to do that
My other idea is just burn the skitter and honestly good chance it works good but god help us all if it doesn't and that approach would probably tilt her off the end of the earth."Some lies can lead the world to hope... Some truths can lead the world to despair... So I don't think anyone can really say which is more right in the end."- Shuichi Saihara
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I think there's enough material for me to start trying, but is there enough motivation? Unclear. I guess we'll find out on my morning off tomorrow."Some lies can lead the world to hope... Some truths can lead the world to despair... So I don't think anyone can really say which is more right in the end."- Shuichi Saihara
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Thanks. But shh, don't tell anyone, I need this whole "not actually good at town" facade for my scum game to work.
More seriously I think sometimes if I'd just believe in myself I'd actually be good. Then the doubts come rolling in."Some lies can lead the world to hope... Some truths can lead the world to despair... So I don't think anyone can really say which is more right in the end."- Shuichi Saihara
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Why is this exercise interesting to you? Since as you pointed out, you should know skitter is not bussing you.In post 594, VP Baltar wrote:
Noted. I mean, I obviously know we aren't partners, so there is already a lack of merit there.In post 593, skitter30 wrote:https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=82512
He's talking abt this one. I would again like to point out that its different from whatever he thinks i'm doing to you here, in that that one my partner was hevily under fire, so i just bussed hard (maybe after coming back from vla idk)
And this one if i'm partners with u i'd have just decided to randomly start bussing you as my first oush of the game, which i wouldnt do ...
What I am looking for is the exact conditions the bussing started under. One of course busses when a buddy is going down regardless, which is definitely different than what datisi is describing, which is bus as an optimal strategy in micro games (which I don't agree with at all).
I'll give this a look later today. Thanks."Some lies can lead the world to hope... Some truths can lead the world to despair... So I don't think anyone can really say which is more right in the end."- Shuichi Saihara
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I think I'd need to reread your argument to answer this, which I should probably do anyway, although analyzing 1v1s is something I am not skilled at.In post 612, VP Baltar wrote:
What is your assessment of skitters OMGUS this game?In post 94, Shuichi Saihara wrote:I think whether OMGUS is scummy or not depends on the person and how they do it."Some lies can lead the world to hope... Some truths can lead the world to despair... So I don't think anyone can really say which is more right in the end."- Shuichi Saihara
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Thought so and I'm astounded by the effort level.In post 616, VP Baltar wrote:
Because I want to understand Datisi's thought process to see if it's genuine or not.In post 614, Shuichi Saihara wrote:Why is this exercise interesting to you?"Some lies can lead the world to hope... Some truths can lead the world to despair... So I don't think anyone can really say which is more right in the end."- Shuichi Saihara
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I caught up but I think I'm too fried to have much to say about it.
I'll just break character to say my gut still wants my vote where it is and I have fuckall to back that up right now."Some lies can lead the world to hope... Some truths can lead the world to despair... So I don't think anyone can really say which is more right in the end."- Shuichi Saihara
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[dwlee vote intensifies]In post 779, Dwlee99 wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if enchant was scum just watching this go down
THis is exactly what I expect scum to conclude here. It's lazy."Some lies can lead the world to hope... Some truths can lead the world to despair... So I don't think anyone can really say which is more right in the end."- Shuichi Saihara
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My to-review list is Dwlee, skitter, VP and maybe Prism, although the thought of rereading Prism's posts and trying to understand them all fills me with existential dread."Some lies can lead the world to hope... Some truths can lead the world to despair... So I don't think anyone can really say which is more right in the end."- Shuichi Saihara
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No, but I do expect you to develop more interesting takes. I think it's possible too, but I don't really care right now.In post 792, Dwlee99 wrote:
Do you expect me to not think it is /possible/ enchant is just vibing through this as scum? Conclude is a uh very strong word for my postIn post 787, Shuichi Saihara wrote:
[dwlee vote intensifies]In post 779, Dwlee99 wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if enchant was scum just watching this go down
THis is exactly what I expect scum to conclude here. It's lazy."Some lies can lead the world to hope... Some truths can lead the world to despair... So I don't think anyone can really say which is more right in the end."- Shuichi Saihara
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In post 808, Dwlee99 wrote:I think Prism is mildly townie but I wouldn't mind flipping cause ascetic claim + scary + novice mailmanIn post 809, Aristeia wrote:What have you found mildly townie about Prism?In post 810, Dwlee99 wrote:their tiltno uh I liked their read on Enchant but only if enchant is actually town.
So you're telling me that your Prism townread is based on Enchant being town, but you're sure enough about Enchant scum to want to kill him... so how does the Prism read make sense again?In post 818, Dwlee99 wrote:Kill enchant pls"Some lies can lead the world to hope... Some truths can lead the world to despair... So I don't think anyone can really say which is more right in the end."- Shuichi Saihara
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I have literally no idea how to determine Enchant's alignment ever.In post 831, Dwlee99 wrote:Does anyone actually think Enchant is townie"Some lies can lead the world to hope... Some truths can lead the world to despair... So I don't think anyone can really say which is more right in the end."- Shuichi Saihara
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I agree with this and I suspect dwlee so you know it's legit.In post 917, fireisredsir wrote:why is it ridiculous? people can be logically correct and scum at the same time. you are very often. im not tryna be pedantic here i actually think this is somewhat significant since you are strongly dismissing a suspicion for something that i think is clearly invalid. so i want you to explain more in detail what your thought process is on this point"Some lies can lead the world to hope... Some truths can lead the world to despair... So I don't think anyone can really say which is more right in the end."- Shuichi Saihara
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For the mech stuff- it looks like scum should be informed or have some hint about this interaction, too. I see it as strange in either case.In post 945, Aristeia wrote:I think Prism is mafia because of mechanics and dayplay.
Mechanically speaking - I don't think it makes sense to have a town novice mailman and a town ascetic in a micro - you're setting up a very natural conflict to occur almost immediately because the mailman will think they are supposed to catch the ascetic and the ascetic is actually a mafia ascetic - you are immediately putting the town down one elim a large number of times and I don't see how you can compensate the town with another PR to offset this in a micro since our margin of error is very slim - we functionally usually only get 3 mislims total.
Also I don't think the setup makes sense for a town ascetic and a mafia ascetic because town ascetic claiming on D1 is going to draw out the mailman claim which then can't really find the mafia ascetic because the mailman will just get killed at night.
also novice mailman is an extremely weak role - functionally the only thing it can do is find a mafia ascetic that did not claim. You can't really set up a code to exchange claim or fake claim since by the time the message is sent, you're at D3 which is elo if we do not hit a mafia in d1/d2.
also like novice mailman is not a role that when claimed makes you town or w/e - it's not like a friendly neighbor or a mason in terms of power level that can prove itself.
I think in Micros, the power level of the town roles should be usually mason equivalent - as in 2 masons v 2 mafia 5 VT is a baseline level of balance.
so I just have trouble believing that a novice mailman role would have no utility or be purposefully a red herring to get a TvT conflict on D1 it's just silly in terms of balancing a micro. I can see a miller in a larger game like a Mini or a Large but in a Micro it just feels much too scumsided for me to accept.
Why does Prism claim ascetic as a mafia ascetic? - I think she has some expectation that she will be targeted at night. She enjoys playing mafia but she absolutely hates mechanical guilties with a passion - I think she has a strong enough reputation that nearly any TPR worth their salt would target her on night one and she knows this - I think she decided to claim it because why not? I don't think she expected a role as niche as "novice mailman" to exist on the TPR side - mechanically it pigeonholes her slot as mafia - that's why her initial kneejerk reaction was to hardpush me as mafia who was headhunting her etc by making up such a claim. I don't think I'm nearly creative enough to make up such a role to target her because I'm not a very bright person.
I am unsure exactly why she switched tack later on in the day - I believe she thinks maybe it is difficult to flip me or perhaps I would leave her alone if she townreads me and uses AtE.
On her dayplay I think she is decidedly less sharp than she usually is and it feels like she's more in anti-spew mode where she's just bantering and having fun rather than actually trying to push/hunt seriously which I know she is extremely good at.
I think she's taken this line of play as scum rather than her usual extremely strong and thread dominant style because she knows that I have certain expectations of how she plays mafia and she is trying to get townread off of indifference[yes I actually townread her when she's bored and joking I know it's stupid]
The overall feeling I get from reading her play this game is that she's more interested in surviving, giving few hints about associatives and not really interested in actually pushing/killing anyone she suspects, she feels like she is browsing through a brochure for like which hat to wear.
If anyone has another explanation for the mailman existing, they might want to say so, unless they're something really powerful.
I agree that Prism's day play has not felt sharp. I don't have much of a baseline for her save reputation, but my impression is that scum should be quivering in their boots with terror, and she has not been giving them any reason to do that so far."Some lies can lead the world to hope... Some truths can lead the world to despair... So I don't think anyone can really say which is more right in the end."- Shuichi Saihara
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My (minimal) experience with Dwlee makes me think they could do it to evoke this exact thought process.In post 993, Datisi wrote:i can buy that i am feeling off this game
that does not change the fact that i think you often scumread me for nonsense that is firmly part of my towngame
i don't think scum attacks enchant when nobody is scumreading them or enchnat and it's obviously gonna be looked down upon bc hurr durr lhf"Some lies can lead the world to hope... Some truths can lead the world to despair... So I don't think anyone can really say which is more right in the end."- Shuichi Saihara
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Shuichi attempts to get his head in the game. It's not very effective. Shuichi became confused!
In post 32, skitter30 wrote:I want to give townpoints to this except i think scum-prism probably claims it too?
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Idk if scum claims it right out the gate, i think town nearly always does (or at least town who's moderately experienced, whatever)In post 10, Prism wrote:Shockingly that is actually +town for Enchant because he's not reading the fake PM as scum lmaoIn post 99, skitter30 wrote:Mailman is the one where you send messages at night?
I'm not sure that's damning for prism tbh
There's a lot of hedging here. 32 doesn't do anything besides try to look town -- as I write this, I'm thinking the entire concept of "I want to townread X, but I won't" is scummy, which is an original thing that's coming up for me right now; it looks like a town thought process but avoids committing to any read. 196 calls the conflict TvT without really calling it TvT ("I don't really have thoughts, except here are my thoughts"). "I'm not sure that damning" reads similarly, and "I don't think" would have served just as nicely in that slot meaning-wise.In post 196, skitter30 wrote:I'm not sure 'satisfied' is the right word, more a combo of:
Their thouhht could be plausible and i'm feeling a bit worse abt vpb now
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I dont really have thoughts on this ari/prism thing, i think they can plausibly be tvt
I do not immediately recall what pushed VPB to go on here early, but if we were at post 200 now, I would go for it.
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